Developers Don't Like the PS4.5
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What did he mean by this?
>>334836508
>a trusted source
I guess his dad works for Nintendo.
developers didn't like ps2 architecture too anon
>Gadsden Flag
>@notaxation
>>334836508
>a trusted source who has talked with every dev on earth
yeah ok
le mind your feet avatar
>>334836675
Well this time they have an option to make their games non compatible with the PS4.5
So are developers actually going to have to change things for the PS4k? Or is it just gonna be a case of running the same binary without any changes to achieve the same/better performance?
>>334836508
What singular source would have ears on enough developers in order to discern what "most" think about it?
Oh wait, let me guess, the trusted source overheard two people talking about it and took it as "most".
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqgRP5_YKu0
>>334836508
Too bad. They are lucky they get the opportunity to make games at all. Most of /v/ would kill to have their job.
>>334836609
They're in bed with Sony, and they're always talking to shuhei yoshida.
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
Wasn't he the dude from XTC?
What's he doing tweeting about vidya?
>Xbone not selling
>Sony releasing an irrelevant console
I can see it now. Nintendo returns to form to crush its enemies while they're weakened.
History Strikes again
>PS2 a success
>get cocky and release PS3
>Xbox 360 a success
>get cocky and release XBone
>Wii a success
>get cocky and release Wii U
now we have
>PS4 a success
>gets cocky and fucking makes the PS4.5
what cunt these days doesn't have a 'trusted source'
>>334837161
He was from IGN, and he was one their PlayStation fanboys
>>334836508
>@notaxation
nah, he doesn't know shit, he's just mad
read the rest of the tweets
>>334837081
>Most of /v/ would kill to have their job.
Working 80hours a week for like 80-120k a year probably doesn't seem too appealing when the guys above you are banking millions in bonuses without any technical work.
>>334837243
>PS4 a success
nigga are you serious?
>>334836934
>they have an option
lol
>>334837153
why is he starting the tantrum now then? should have started long time ago.
>>334837378
sales wise. they are untouchable amongst any other console this gen
>>334837378
it's not?
>>334837318
>120k
>120
Who the fuck makes that much making games? http://www.gamasutra.com/salarysurvey2014.pdf
Means they have to "optimize" for twice the amount of shit, outdated hardware. This triggers the developer.
>>334836983
>What singular source would have ears on enough developers in order to discern what "most" think about it?
Literally anyone involved in the roll out and support of the devkits, anyone in QA, anyone who attends one of the multitude of regular industry game dev meets, anyone who's been along to one of Sony's internal developer presentations.....the list is fucking huge and it's not at all surprising that devs aren't happy about having to incur higher costs of development and greater workloads because of Sony's knee jerk reaction to having shat out shitty hardware incapable of VR.
>>334837378
No gaems doesn't mean commercial failure. The PS4 is inexplicably selling tons of units every month. It's selling faster than the PS2, even.
>>334836508
Devs
>whaaa the ps4 is underpowed We want it more powerfull to fulfill our vision
4.5 "upgrade
>whaaa its too complicated to much effort
>>334836508
>Colin Moriarty
Why does a fictional character from fallout 3 care about the ps4.5?
Of course not its common sense
Sony is fucking up hard
>>334837457
He started bitching about it before when ps4k rumors first surfaced, but this tweet is just him getting more details
Sony is pulling a Sega? This going to be a 32X?
This shit is 599 US DOLLARS all over again.
>>334837378
40 millions with almost no games it's a commercial success.
>>334837378
Sales wise, yes. Sony would not exist anymore if Microsoft and Nintendo hadn't shot themselves in the foot with always online and choosing a stupid name that implies that it's not even a new console respectively.
The problem is that sony is FORCING EVERY SINGLE DEVELOPER TO MAKE PS4 AND PS45 VERSIONS OF EVERY GAME
What the fuck, how could you guysnot like colin Moriarty?
>eceleb shit
Yeah I know, but he's one of least cancerous niggers in vidya, even if he's butt buddies with Greg Miller.
means developers have to actually make good looking games
and they can't release games on xbone anymore without a shitton of downgrading
>>334836982
The new model isn't made create better looking games but to enable 4K support. If devs really have a problem with switching resolution there's something wrong with them.
>>334837563
>underpowered
That shit never happened. Hell, devs don't even care about performance anymore. Just look at the new sinful 30FPS ratchet and clank game.
>>334837701
ok bit you don't HAVE TO FUCKING YELL YOU CUNT
>>334837731
colin "stop being so entitled" moriarty
>>334837153
To literally who?
>>334837746
>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-sonys-plan-for-playstation-4k-neo-revealed
The specs are different, there's more power available to developers here.
>>334837731
see
>>334837050
Now this time stay on YouTube
I wonder what's going to happen when devs have to make a ps4 game, another version for the ps4.5, another for xbone and another for the pc.
I wonder wich version will get the short end of the stick ?
its the pc version
if you think ports were shit, wait for this
>>334837378
>>334837559
>>334837660
>no gaems
I love playing Bloodborne and SFV on my Xbone and Wii U
>>334837701
Can't you just keep the settings the same on both versions?
>>334837378
Are you retarded, anon?
>>334836508
Who could have guessed that devs dont like having to basically make versions of a console game, or exclude a large consumerbase if they decide to make a game only for the 4K.
Sony has effectively killed themselves with this move.
>>334837616
Only if games come out that require PS4.5.
>>334837938
Even if you can its still more shit you have to go through for no reason only that papa sony demands it
Its bullshit
>>334837926
I said "almost no games" because Bloodborne and SFV.
>>334837558
>Literally anyone involved in the roll out and support of the devkits, anyone in QA, anyone who attends one of the multitude of regular industry game dev meets, anyone who's been along to one of Sony's internal developer presentations
Wow, crazy, so one person involved in any one of those is in a position to determine what most developers think?
"Most" does not mean "ones I know/seen" or "some", it means MOST.
I agree that it's probably correct, but claiming it as factual because of some unnamed "trusted source" that couldn't possibly account for the opinions of most developers is fucking stupid.
>>334837857
Yes and sony also said it's all about 4K not better assets. Their goal is to create a machine that will run a ps4 game identically to a base model only in a higher resolution.
How many retards will buy this console even though they already have the normal ps4?
>Sony and MS making retarded extensions for their cucked no-games consoles
Can we all admit that console gaming is as good as dead?
F
>>334837378
as much as its a trash system...
>>334837378
I did not make this to be intentionally facetious
>>334837997
There's no reason to believe that this won't just work like the new and old 3DS.
>>334837050
this is the video why /v/ hates him?
he's just saying don't attack the writers and developers of the game
presentation is awful and he comes off douchy but the message is sound
These people need to start giving out details on what their sources are
>>334837910
>PC version has best potential for adaptability
>don't develop with that in mind and just shove straight console ports to PC platform
Modern game devs, ladies and gentlemen.
At least some devs have tried to fix the errors in their ways and patch bugs after launch or have decent launch options, (Compile Heart surprisingly being one of them).
>>334838018
A lot, judging by how dudebros swapped their dying 360 for new models.
> buy PS4.5
> no dev bothers making a 4.5 version of games
When does the cycle of no games end?
>>334836508
it's going to be hilarius if suddenly some ps4 games start running even more like shit on ps4/ps4.5 because they aren't porting it as they should. just imagine if some game for some reason has worse performance or bugs on ps4.5
>>334838018
I've held off buying a PS4 to finish my backlog, so all this is just gravy to me.
>>334838079
It wont, otherwise they wouldnt have said anything.
If you want release physical copies you will have to make PS4 and PS45 versions with different boxes
Devs are really pissed
>>334838060
>Atari 26000
>30 million
Was Pac Fever really that great of a promotion?
>>334837938
The Giantbomb article mentioned the only requirements was that the PS4.5 version of games can't have exclusive features, and any graphical improvements can't make it run worse than the PS4 version.
>>334837526
Lead programmers/artists, TD's, RnD, Producers, Directors.....fucking tons of positions make that sort of money and a hell of a lot more.
Depending on the projects, crunch time and overtime rates, expedrienced mid level artists/code monkeys can crack a 100k a year with fucking ease.
Last gig I had as a pre-vis modeler/animator wound up to around 156k a year during crunch, granted I only worked close to 6 months at that rate, but that's the joy of film, you work 60-100 hour weeks for months on end, then it's captain underpants n vidya for the rest of the year.
>>334836508
that's the same guy that never predicts conferences right
>>334836983
M8. Lorne Lanning was on Game Informer yesterday cussing out Sony for their plans and calling PSVR a "Poison". Back in 2013 he was shilling them like crazy. Some developers are openly bitching about this and others need to go through sources on twitter because they are AAA's or working on Sony exclusives.
>>334838172
>no dev bothers making a 4.5 version of games
Isn't the new model set to replace the old in stores? They'll recall all unsold stock I tell you.
Sony's first/second party titles are all I care about. As long as they release a 4.5 version, I'm set.
>>334838172
Sony is forcing them to.
>>334838279
Pre vis is different from making games you stupid fuck, read the link I posted.
>>334838121
thats not how journalism works
the source's job may be at stake if he is found out
so if he stays anonymous but keeps telling journalists information that turns out true then he becomes a trusted source
>>334838018
I've been waiting for the PS4 to actually get games, so this is good news for me
>>334838114
>artist makes a shit drawing
>don't call him out on it guys! it's not fair!
>>334837967
so much wrong information
>most developers
Otherwise known as, a bunch of san francisco indie devs no one cares about
>>334836508
Does this mean that PC ports will have better assets and stuff?
This isn't surprising at all if its true. The average developer can barely optimize for the two consoles we have and now Sony wants them to make a third console version to worry about.
>>334838114
thats not it and also get the fuck out
>>334838429
Possibly.
>>334838060
literally the worst Sony has ever done
>>334838417
death threats and personal insults are not really good criticism
>>334838301
m8
did this source go around to every developer and determine what they felt about it?
Because if the source is a developer, even if he asked all his dev friends, it wouldn't come close to be able to claim what most developers feel about any fucking topic.
>>334837413
Why is that funny? What's stopping a developer from putting their games on Xbox One and PC. If it cost too much you just don't develop for that console.
So if I already own a bretty gud PC and a Wii U is there a real reason to buy the other two consoles?
>>334837050
>>334838417
not the point of the video. Criticism is fine, crybabies wanting the ending to be changed isn't.
>>334836508
So this is new nintendo 3ds situation.
>baaaw sony, your console that isnt 600$ cant run every new game that developers make at 60fps and 1080p, please fix this!
>baaw sony do you want me to buy an optional console that can run the same games optionally with the a higher framerate and higher resolution?
outrageous sony, I wont forget this!
>>334837926
SFV? On PC?
>>334836508
In the end it doesn't matter. There are what, 40 million of those floating out there? Devs will follow the money. They can cut potential sales by 40 million or get on board.
I'm not saying it's good or bad. It just is.
>>334837660
>>334837559
selling consoles doesn't mean they're making money either, money is in software and now subscription fees and DLC. Sony sold 80 million PS3s but still lost money on it. PS4 is making them something but I think even Nintendo is making more money on games since they still sell tons of their own software and the 3DS owns the portable market. Sony needs to sell games to go with the hardware, they get a lot less from 3rd party sale.
>>334836508
>hisss please don't step on my tail thanks lads hisssss...
>>334838746
You've overstayed your welcome, time to go back to where you came from.
>>334836508
PS4.5 is a good thing. This means PC console ports will have the potential for higher settings than the current shit were given.
Think about it: devs actually complained they have a new hardware to work with. We're they ever committed to the PC platform in the first place, that would be just one rig on top of a hundred. It's nothing. But these news pretty much confirm devs are lazy pieces of shit.
One could even go as far as to argue devs were happy just developing for xbone and PS4 (virtually the same machine) and the new PS4.5 is a problem to them because now they actually have to port it over decently to higher settings / a different spec.
When you think about it, mustard race should be happy with these news
>>334837378
Everyone else shit the bed so badly that Sony won by default, now they've gotten cocky and are going to dick their existing customers.
>>334838865
shhhh.
>>334836508
If its basically the same thing but more powerful i doubt it would be that big of an issue
>>334838880
>PS4.5 is a good thing. This means PC console ports will have the potential for higher settings than the current shit were given.
Agreed. PCMR fags should shut the fuck up and be glad that the PS4.5 is coming, it can only mean better multiplats.
>Gen 7 let's devs stay comfortable with low-tier specs from 2006 til 2012
>Gen 8 gives devs low-mid specs that work on x86 architecture so they can easily port all their Gen 7 games for easy lazy money (REMASTERED!!!)
>Gen 8.5 they can't pull the same trick of selling remastered games AGAIN because it hasn't been even 5 years yet since they released said remastered games so now they have to TRY developing their new games
I can see why they'd be flustered after getting too used to developing for less-than-great platforms for the past 10 years.
>>334838060
>Every nintendo console selling than the previous one expect Wii
I guess that shit probably hyped their spirits and fate into WiiU too much.
>>334837785
yea Kh3 would never get released on a ps3 back in the day due to not being powerfull enough to show their vision of the game
>>334838896
Everybody should've seen big dick Sony coming the minute they announced PS+ was becoming mandatory. What's worse is that people leaped to defend them in droves.
>>334838896
Chill m8 the PSP had a similar upgrade and it was almost never used in anything besides hacked cfw
>>334837785
Shut the fuck up you stupid fucking faggot, the new Ratchet and Clank is fantastic.
>>334837559
>It's selling faster than the PS2
tfw 2000 was 20 years ago
>>334838880
You're forgetting about xbone.
>>334838008
>Wow, crazy, so one person involved in any one of those is in a position to determine what most developers think?
Well...yeah, especially in regards to someone involved with the devkit rollout, they're dealing with a metric ton of communication with all of the studios working with the product, they absolutely would know what "most" devs think about the situation.
Same goes for anyone working for FPQA SONY, they are literally living and breathing the mess that is PS4K and have now magically had their workload quite literally doubled.
Whilst i'm not saying whatever chucklefuck is claiming to have a source on "most" devs actually has a source, there is a TON of inter-studio communication and interaction, especially in and around LA.
It's not uncommon to find the brain trusts of all the big first party Sony developers in the same place at the same time drinking and bitching....especially after having sat through hours of horseshit slide show presentations at internal tech conferences.
>>334838961
its actually the opposite
devs having to do another skew of their games on top of the 3 they already have to make will not result in better pc ports
do you think they'll have magically more people/ressources to make it happen ?
they'll put less time in the pc port as a result and it'll be even shitter than it is now
>>334836508
More work.
It's not like they have to completely drop support for the old PS4, now they have to make sure the game works on both. It's not like a PC where it'll scale perfectly on beefier hardware, shit could break because of the differences between the PS4/NEO hardware so they have to test for both.
Such is the nature of closed platforms
>>334838880
>>334838961
That's not what Tecmo Koei thought when they brought over their ports of PS3 and Arcade versions of already existing PS4 games to PC.
That doesn't even address the poor developer issues of having a majority of their games mechanics tied to framerate.
To add to that, it won't prevent disasters like Assassin's Creed and Arkham Knight.
>>334836508
>Making good graphics is hard
A bit off topic but is it worth it to get a 4K TV? I've been using a 32 inch 720p (upscales to 1080p) TV for probably over 6 years now.
>>334839201
What do you mean?
>>334839073
Are you a poorfag anon:^)
I hated that thing through, seriously, they are forcing everyone to pay a p2p service, for the fuck sake.
>>334839221
It's a higher ceiling for graphics, babe. Shit like tesselation, textures etc. are 100% bottlenecked by the PS4, and will be less so in the 4.5.
>>334836508
What's the fucking problem? It's literally a PS4 with faster clock speeds and a bigger GPU. Develop your game for the standard PS4, run it at better frame rates/resolutions on the PS4K.
>>334836508
I highly doubt that twitter faggot is telling the truth. He's making shit up to feel important.
How do I know? It's because 4.5 is literary just a more powerful processing, ram and gpu. There's no fucking reason to have to develop around anything. Just make it the same way for the original ps4. It's not like they changed the architect to a entirely different console. Anyone who actually builds their own computer could tell you that.
>>334839270
Parity.
>>334839265
Only if you get like a 50" one.
size still trumps resolution so a 1080p projector beats any TV
>>334839265
Not yet, probably in 2-3 years.
>>334836508
He means that developers don't relish the idea of working with two different sets of specs for the same console, adding to their workload and running the risk of dividing their players.
English, my man, English. Can't you understand it?
>>334839329
devs are literally the laziest fags, as demonstrated with their lackluster PC ports
it's no wonder they're complaining about this shit
I think nintendo and sega have already proven that partial upgrades on consoles or handhelds don't work
>>334839210
They should be applauded for creating the first ever console civil war though. Endless entertainment.
>>334839185
It's not, and PS2 had strong numbers later due to becomming available or a lot less expensive in territories PS4 is already available in. It has no where to expand like PS2 did the market is saturated, anyone who wants a PS4 can get one.
>>334838138
I love PC gaming so much. Like how all of Psychonauts character models flicker, shadows in the subway of GTA V change into random textures, and a mirade of other stupid problems that there's no fix for.
>>334837610
This will still have the better edge over the NX.
>>334838367
>Pre vis is different from making games you stupid fuck, read the link I posted.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salary/Naughty-Dog-Salaries-E134488.htm?&countryRedirect=true
https://www.glassdoor.com.au/Salary/Insomniac-Games-Salaries-E269543.htm?&countryRedirect=true
>>334839436
They already develop for 3 different platforms (xbone, PS4, PC), soon to be 4 (Nintendo NX).
Adding a 5th platform makes no difference.
>>334839463
New 3DS andGame Boy Colorsold pretty well tho.
I believe it will do 4K, but the same way the PS4 does 1080p.
Low framerate cap, inconsistent performance, "variable resolution" and shit like that, it will not be a good gaming experience.
This is incredibly premature, a PC that can run 4K games usually needs dual GPUs and cost upwards of a thousand dollars, and actual support for 4K is still early days.
It's financially impossible for Sony to meet that performance level and sell the consoles at 500-ish dollars, even if they were selling at a huge loss.
Sony is jumping on 4K before they've even got true 1080p gaming worked out, which has been a standard in the industry for a decade.
They should focus on that before jumping into an underdeveloped standard that isn't even off the ground yet on the most powerful systems.
>>334839463
>partial upgrade
do you actually go into threads knowing nothing of the subject and just start talking ?
you do?
ah well, dont let me stop you
>>334836508
Not surprising. The PS4.5 is just going to add extra costs to the already over-inflated budgets of AAA games. Imagine your average, buggy-ass AAA release but multiplied by 2. Devs are going to have to develop, optimize, test, and patch two separate versions of the same game for the same platform, it's going to be a fucking mess.
>>334839321
That has nothing to do with what he said. Less time and manpower will be put into PC ports because of the extra work for the console versions. We will get even crappier ports, they're already and afterthought for most devs and better visuals on PS4 won't magically make the PC port better when there's less time and money spent on it.
The whining devs are ridiculous. Sony has a top notch documentation and support for the ps4. This isn't the ps3 and cell architecture.
>>334839387
You mean that, rather than playing games on a more powerful machine , on better settings, devs will choose to make shit settings to keep parity with a failed console?
I don't mean to imply you're wrong in any way, shape or form. I just hope devs realize how stupid such a move would be
>>334839629
Did the New 3DS sell well?
And I had in mind the expansion pack and the DSi but fair point, maybe they sometimes work
>>334838336
This. Why would you ever buy a console without liking its first party output? Ratchet and Clank, InFamous, Tearaway, LittleBigPlanet, Gravity Rush, Uncharted, Bloodborne, I've liked this gen a lot so far.
>>334839334
not how it works
you still have to test it and that takes time away from the others skews
maybe not as much as another version altogether but its still a bad idea
>>334839728
its not going to be anything related to 4k resolution you fucking retard, the name 4k is something somone on the internet called it, shut the fuck up
>>334839757
I find that unlikely; if the rumors are to be believed the difference in devving for the NEO and PS4 should be minimal.
The PS4K will probably just be used for 4K for weeb garbage that looks like shit because it doesn't take that much processing power to shit out a higher res of that
>>334839772
i hope you're trolling
find me a game that doesnt drop frames on ps4
>>334839745
>but multiplied by 2
Oh my think about developing for the PC and it's endless stream of brands and configurations. No wonder no one develops PC games! Fuck of retard.
>>334837746
>The new model isn't made create better looking games but to enable 4K support.
>4K support
It's only a marginal increase to the specs, not nearly enough to play any game at 4K besides some 2D indie games.
>>334839797
Did the N64 expansion pack not go over well? I didn't know anyone that didn't have one.
>>334839629
If it's a throwaway iteration that's marginally better, I don't care about the PS4K, but if it is meant to replace the original I'd be fucking pissed.
>>334839840
>current PS4 struggles to maintain 1080p 60 FPS
>new PS4 is going to magically render at 4k and 60 FPS and STILL only cost $499
God people are fucking retarded
>>334836508
by that logic they would hate the PC platform and not develop anything for it, yet here we are
>>334839797
Nintendo's handheld revisions always sell fine, they're not meant to be a direct upgrade you "have" to buy and there are traditionally few games only on the new model. They also price them well and devs usually just target the old model. GBC might be the exception but at the time it was released the GB was almost a decade old.
>>334837378
Wrong
>>334839623
those developers complaining are probably indie developers.
most "mainstream" developers make games for current and last gen so yeah, it probably wont make much difference to them.
>>334836508
>Most devs don't want to do more work
Wow and it took the ps4.5 for them to say it.
>>334839840
Nice rebuttal of my points.
>>334840056
>yet here we are
With halfassed ports?>>334840056
>>334839728
>a PC that can run 4K games usually needs dual GPUs and cost upwards of a thousand dollars
nice bait
people ran 5760x1080 (75% of 4K) years ago on single GPUs. low-mid detail 4k is playable even on a 290x/390.
PS4.5 will most likely use Polaris 10 and therefore exceed 290x/390 performance.
>Consoles are literally just shittier PCs
Kek
What the fuck is the point?
>>334839905
If it requires more time and attention from the dev, the PC port will suffer because that's on the bottom of their priority list as it is. The work done on the new PS4 version will not magically translate to the PC port.
>>334839932
You can have the best documentation in the world but that will not help you when you develop a game with shit programmers and overambitious designers. I swear modern designers don't incorporate any platform limitations in making their games. They just roll with it and hope the programmers will manage to make it work more or less fluid. It's like saying the snes was a bad system because it had slowdowns and flickering.
>>334839805
Yeah, so I don't care if call of duty 54 doesn't come with 4.5 support, I didn't buy the system for it. If all of a sudden first/second party titles are launching without 4.5 support, then shit is fucked and I'm getting a refund one way or another.
>>334839629
Difference is the 3DSs cost $200, at most, and they're not direct upgrades. Not to mention Nintendo isn't actively fucking over old 3DS owners because, with the exception of Hyrule Warriors, every single 3DS game plays exactly the same between both the N3DS and old 3DS.
>>334839957
You can play well optimized games at 4K resolution on a GTX 750ti, but at very low settings with all the post disabled of course.
That's basically what the consoles already do for 1080p gaming.
It's very possible, albeit not at all desirable.
>>334840020
It was packed with certain games that required it so if you bought the game you got the pack too
>>334836508
>no one pointed out his profile pic yet
>>334839957
And you somehow know this better than a team of hardware engineers? 4K and VR is literally their main aim with this upgrade.
>>334840198
It's possible, but I'm being optimisticbecause there's not anything else I can do
>>334839957
I really do think a technology multinational corporation has a bit more knowledge of the architecture of their product than some shitposter on /v/, but nevertheless, thanks for your input.
>>334840178
>videogames are literally just shittier movies
Kek
What the fuck is the point?
>>334840249
I'm surprised Hyrule Warriors runs on the thing at all
>>334840315
>>334836693
someone already did you belligerent faggot
>>334839937
PC developers have standardized chipsets to develop for, consoles don't. And there's a reason multitudes of PC games are horribly optimized.
>>334840178
This has literally been the case for two generations now. Literally the only reason to ever bother with a console is because of exclusives, ie good games being held hostage.
>>334838419
Source: my ass
>>334840503
>consoles don't
u wot m8?
>>334840464
The flag >>334836693 mentioned is the twitter avatar, not >>334840315 what posted, you cockend.
>>334836508
Of course they don't like it. It takes years to make a game, so if they start working on a game shortly after a new console launches, that game will hit the market right around the time the .5 version of it comes out. It basically forces devs into shorter development cycles, meaning either games will start coming out even more broken than they do already, or we're in for a future of 1 hour long games.
>>334840647
You fucking retard learn to read
>no one pointed out his profile pic
We're talking about the fucking profile pic, not the pic anon added on to make fun of the original profile pic.
Kill yourself immediately.
>>334836508
It means what it means.
The same shit that happened with the Sega Saturn, devs being too incompetent to actually properly multithread. The majority of PS3 games still are only using 2 cores.
>>334840423
>>334840356
Look at the specs. The current ps4 struggles with current games at 1080p at 30 fps for fucks sake. It's not going to magically start playing Ass Creed and Uncharted at 4K because you wish hard enough. Sony themselves haven't said shit about whether 4K is the target anyway, just some retards on the internet labeling it that because they don't know any better. It doesn't have the specs to reach 4K in vidya. End of story.
>>334840583
Nah, before consolefags at least had the excuse that they don't have to upgrade their console for an entire gen.
Now, that's not even true, because as much as Sony likes to assure people that they won't, we all know that they WILL make games for the PS4k exclusively.
Only Sonyggers still fall for their lies.
>>334836508
>>Colin Moriarty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC-MKzl1mig
>>334840812
yes, and you keep on upgrading your GPU MS announces DX 10 then 11, then 11.1, oh wait, it's on 12 now.
>>334840808
>Sony themselves haven't said shit about whether 4K is the target anyway
The whole upgrade is related to japan switching to 4K tv by 2020. It's literally the main reason. Sony wants a head start into that market.
>>334840812
Fair point, I suppose.
I think they'll stick to their guns on the no Neo exclusives, but the flip side of that is games are probably going to be completely unplayable on the base PS4 past a certain point, once devs start creating the "base" mode as an afterthought.
>>334840808
>Look at the specs.
Specs are Polaris 10, which AMD showed running Hitman maxed out @ 2560x1440 @ 60fps. If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
>>334840969
Funfact, DX10, 11, and 12 are all backwards compatible.
Even nowadays you can run an old GTX 460 and still play modern DX12 games.
>>334841016
4K blu ray and streaming video is certainly feasible. Retards thinking vidya will be 4K need a reality check though.
>>334841085
>modern DX12 games.
Are there any modern games out yet that are DX12 only?
>>334841085
fun fact, a dx 11 card won't work with dx 11.1.
a dx 10 card won't work with dx 12.
another fun fact, you're a knob.
>>334841085
except a 460 is so outdated it can't actually run any of the DX12 games at more than 10fps
>>334839436
>>334839623
no such a thing as different platform you idiots
it's the same API
>>334838316
I'll buy all the old PS4 and give them away for free and start a revolution when the masses realize how hard Sony is fucking everyone
>>334840969
I feel like you really, REALLY, want to make a point, but that you don't actually understand anything you're talking about.
But that's ok, because at least you tried.
>>334840812
>before
Do you even realize this isn't even the first time sony upgraded a system with better specs? PSOne had a faster drive the PSP had faster CPU and 2x more ram, Nintendo did it with N64DD not to mention Sega with it's dozens of console variants and addons. But to pkeks this is something new. You guys are waaaaay behind the times it seems.
>>334839413
You'll have to be 50 cm to the TV for a 50" TV to see a a difference between 1080p and 2160p.
>>334841194
>fun fact, a dx 11 card won't work with dx 11.1.
Stopped reading there.
You're a fucking moron.
>>334841212
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWxpoeGlJL4
>>334836508
HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE THAT DEVELOPERS CAN'T OPTIMIZE THEIR FUCKING GAMES CORRECTLY
IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR AND GAMES STILL RUN AT N64 LEVEL
WHAT THE FUCK?! I'M SICK OF SHITTY 25 FPS GAMES ON MY PS4 IT'S ENOUGH
HOW IS 60FPS NOT THE STANDARD
>>334836508
>Collin Moriarty
no thanks, he's one of those fags that need to die, same with John Oliver
another thing, it isn't exactly easy to make the same game but better graphics and release it on the same day.
>Sony & Devs: Consoles are so great because you only have to optimize for 1
>Now a second PS4 with double the horsepower & more RAM
>>334841079
>If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
Yeah right, the rumored PS4K specs indicate it only has 25% more memory bandwidth than the PS4. 4K gaming on it will be a disaster.
Plus, the CPU at 2.1GHz will still be the bottleneck in most games as it is now with the current PS4, maybe more so as developers attempt to target higher framerates and visual settings.
>>334841337
>Slight CPU upgrade, a faster HDD, and more RAM are at all comparable to a huge jump in GPU performance
Are you retarded?
so will games be able to run at 1080 @ 60 fps?
>>334841079
>If it can max out the PC version at 2560x1440 it can max out the console version at 4k.
That's wishful thinking, and it's not even confirmed polaris 10, just rumoured specs to be close to that.
Is there an aspect of this that could mean more games come to pc, or even in more optimized because they are optimizing in steps instead of staticly.
>>334841402
Because thank god video output isn't tied to the refresh rate of a tv anymore like it was in the early 90s
>>334841402
you can't screenshot 60FPS and sell it to the masses
most video feeds and ads stuff is at 30fps anyway
why bother when retards even pretend or delude themselves into saying they can't tell the difference
memetics
>>334841507
No because 60 fps would cause issues in multiplayer games previously locked at 30 fps. See: Monster Hunter for the 3DS. Split communities, buggy, laggy multiplayer. Sony is going to the same thing Scholar of the First Sin but with an entire CONSOLE. I have a PS4 but even if I upgrade to a PS4K it would still be cheaper than a gaming rig at least
>>334838647
you must not be aware of how the real world works. they have contractual obligations. They can't just decide not to publish shit on a console.
>>334841079
>Specs are Polaris 10
No, just an unidentified Polaris chip.
>>334841507
No, because optimization is too hard :(((
>>334841507
no because they keep chasing after more and more fidelity
they can't release games that look worse or around the same
it has to improve forever and thus framerate is shittier and shittier forever
>>334841616
>>334841634
>still playing on TV
You are the problem 2bh
>>334841601
>>334841730
It's virtually guaranteed. Polaris 10 is almost the same die size as 7870. With the CPU cores being shrunk they probably have exactly the same overall die size as the PS4 APU.
>>334841487
m8 the 64DD was such a jump that the games for it weren't even backwards compatible just like the 32x.
So either games on PS4 will be cost prohibitive or there are going to be a massive minority that use the NEO. My guess is Sony will mandate NEO support because it's otherwise stupid to release the thing.
>>334836824
DEUS VULT
>>334841783
i don't tho
just saying most people do
>>334841337
>PSP had faster CPU
No it didn't, Sony released a firmware update that allowed to run at 333MHz, some games took advantage of it like God of War. If you're referring to the PSPGO, no one gave a shit and not a single game ever used it because it was DOA.
>>334836508
>most devs only want to put in the bare minimum effort
No suprise there.
Also Moriarty is a cunt.
hole point of the new ps4 has less to do with the actual games and more to do with selling 4k tv's.
>>334841402
Would you rather have current PS4 graphics at 900p30, and rarely a 1080p30 game, or PS3-level graphics at 1080p60?
Those are your only options.
>>334836508
Whoa, 1080/60p is "nonsense"
this will be another wild ride
can't wait for the threads when e3 time cometh
>>334841016
>japan switching to 4k by 2020
Most anime isn't even 1080p, I don't think that will be the case.
>>334841917
And sony tvs are fucking overpriced.
No wonder gooks sell more TVs
>>334841402
Why bother when most people will buy and praise their games no matter how bad the performance is
>>334837856
Shuhei Yoshida, literally a two second google search you fucking moron:Shuhei Yoshida is President of Sony's Worldwide Studios for Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. Yoshida is among those responsible for the creation of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.'s 170-person internal product development team
>>334841969
Everything is always a meme and a gimmick, until the platform I support has that thing.
Then it becomes a must have
>>334841953
60fps is the only option, i'm here to PLAY the games
>>334841953
>PS3-level graphics at 1080p60
This is what the Wii U does for the most part and it's my favorite console this generation so I pick that one.
>>334841079
Those Polaris cards AMD is showing off playing Hitman are going to be five hundred plus dollars when they launch. There is no way whatever Sony puts in the PS4 is going to match its performance. Even if they did shove a full scale Polaris card in there, it would probably be bottlenecked to hell by that laughably weak CPU. Polaris is an architecture, just because they are using that architecture in the PS4 doesn't mean you are going to get the same performance out of it as you will a R9 490. You are setting yourself up for disappointment here if you think this thing is going to play real games at 2160p.
Take it from someone currently gaming at 4k, this thing isn't going to play normal PS4 games like bloodborne at 4k with specs like that. It just isn't going to happen. It's probably just going to have better framerates with games at 1080p and have support for 4k netflix and other streaming services over HDMI 1.4 at 30fps. They might be able to get away with putting some bare bones indies games like Geometry Wars or Limbo at 4k, but not much else.
>>334842013
It's a official goal of the government. The Olympics will be broadcast in 4K
>Consolefags falling for AMD's hype
Oh god, here we go again.
I remember when HSA and huMA were supposed to be the new hot shit in town, and 3 years later?
Nothing.
>>334841507
Because https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_o6DxhslAI
>>334842013
Didn't NHK said that they started broadcasting at 4K planning to go up to 8K since a year and a half ago?
Did they really do that or was it just bullshit?
>>334841953
>PS3-level graphics at 1080p60?
I chose this, DmC: Definitive Edition and The Last of Us Remastered looked amazing on the PS4 and they run at 60fps
SO WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? Bloodborne looks like PS3 games but runs like shit wtf come on
You are CEO Kaz and who of these 3 people do you give the task of being the messenger of PS4 Neo at E3? Or do you man up and deliver the news yourself.
>>334837378
>PS4 a success
>nigga are you serious?
Yes, see how on /v/ PS4 fanbase are non-existent, the entire catalog is about Xbox vs Nintendo.
>>334836508
It means devs know what Sony doesn't: people gon' be PISSED. Literally no one likes this PS4.5 shit. Make your hardware and stick with it. For 8 years
>>334841969
Developers won't hit 60fps on PS4K anyway because the CPU is only 30% faster than the current PS4.
>>334842202
broadcasting at 4k is not the same as having the source at 4k(recorded at 4k, drawn at 4k)
>>334842013
don't they do that on purpose now to sell bluerays?
>>334842192
>Sonyfags constantly talk about Ayyysnc making their console more powerful for VR
>Only games using it are The Order 1886, Ashes Of The Singularity, Quantum Break and Rise Of The Tomb Raider
>>334838069
The X1 isn't much different. The PS4 and X1 are heading towards being as different as two different branded DVD or Blu-Ray players given the exclusives aren't really bought in high quantities.
>>334837318
Does working 120 hours a week for 30-40k sound better? Because that's where a lot of poor people are
>>334842391
Best part is that AotS isn't even on consoles.
It probably won't be that much better to justify me selling the old ps4 for dirt and buying that one
>>334842261
They should put Kevin Butler surfing on Iwatas casket wearing a XBONE is dead t-shirt up for it. That would be insulting enough.
>>334836508
Because they have to make two builds for a game now to support both.
>>334842150
Keep up with the news. AMD did not show off full scale Polaris. Polaris 10 is the 480/480x and about the same size as 7870. It will offer performance comparable to Fiji and launch for around $300.
490/490x is coming out later in the year or early next year with HBM2 codenamed "Vega".
>know an indie dev
>a trusted source tells me """""" most"""""" devs are annoyed
>edit out quotation marks
>profit
>>334842013
Since January all tv anime is 1080 native, you dont know because you just watch in basic Daisuki streaming or .avi re-enconders
Psvr games are confirmed 60+fps right ?
There's no way people are going to push screens on their eye sockets and play games under that framerate...
>>334842450
>Kevin Butler
You know what, that doesn't sound like a bad idea. And I'm sure he's game for it too.
>>334842542
Then why are torrents still 720p raw all the time?
>>334842261
>"But we can share games hahaha!...guys...guys,,,please think we're good"
>>334842542
>1080
>anime
Most anime is just upscaled from 720p, you don't know shit.
>>334842237
shut UP, its PERFECT
>>334842697
Game share is great though I haven't paid full price for a console game on release in a decade.
>>334842693
People with poopy fart butt internet and baby carrot hard drives.
>>334841402
What happened to 60fps is a meme? Are you telling me total asscancer is right?
You don't have any right to ask for some sort of standards. Besides the human eye etc.
But in actuality, your average person (read: shit eating retards) don't care so nothing will ever actually change.
>>334842681
>Staring in Super Bowl commercials with Drake
Nah, I don't think he needs Sony any more
>>334838691
You realize the number of gamers has absolutely exploded since 2000, right?
Sony should be doing much better than they are right now. It's like comparing the yield of a farmer who tended a field in 2000 in the Sahara Desert to the same farmer who moved to Ukraine to grow wheat in 2016. The potential is much greater because the gaming community is fuckhuge now.
But they haven't kept up with that potential. Too many people have gone to PC and haven't bothered to upgrade to the newest generation.
>>334839185
2000 was 16 years ago.... Wtf are you talking about.
>>334839546
>.au
Australia dollars =/= us dollars
120k à year is like 60k a year in usa
>>334838423
San Fran indie devs don't give a shit about 4K because none of them have the skill or effort to even approach that tech level.
These are mid and large size studios bitching
>>334843203
>16 years ago was 30 years ago
>>334843020
but ps2 had 10+ years
ps4 had about 3
"gamers" means nothing, your mom playing angrybird on her phone once in her life is probably labeled gamer by the industry
means shit
>>334842261
I do it myself.
>go out on stage
>WELL! WHAT IS IT!
>"just when you faggots didn't think the PS4 couldn't get any better"
>cheap fireworks go off
>"P. S. 4... K (in an epic quake announcer voice)"
>show some pre-rendered footage of hot space marine chicks blowing shit up while generic heroic music is playing
>show random side by sides showing the difference of 1080p and 4K with absurd zoom ins on dumb shit like the side of a tree in the distance
>slowly dim the lights and footage
>start playing drake's "started from the bottom"
>unveil the new PS4K which looks exactly like the old one but with a shiny K on the front
>slowly bring more light to the stage
>surround the console with cosplayers dressed as Drake from Uncharted, bald guy from Infamous, hunter from Bloodborne, and brown loli from Gravity Game
>welcome people to the booths where they can experience 4K for themselves
Easy.
>>334838060
This is old now
If this even has a ounce of truth in it, well then.
Pretty much bye bye, third party developers. Ah well, at least we still have Sony's first party, which comes every time when it's the king's cumpleanos.
Oh yeah and the occasional FIFA, unless they get pissed off too somehow.
>>334837559
A lot for people buy for her children or grandkids.
>>334839387
The whole point of parity is thrown out the window when PS4 and PS4.5 are in the same picture.
The outcome is that, if developers want to ensnare the attention of those people who bought PS4.5s, they'll be making higher resolution screens/textures/etc. Even if those assets are lying around and unused for Xbone/PS4 versions, they're still somewhere on the company's servers if they ever decide to port to PC.
>>334837910
You say the Kat/3DM/pirate bay edition?
They won
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/10/29/ps4-sales-still-outpacing-ps2-closing-in-on-30-million
>>334843326
Piss off. You guys have higher minimum wage, actual jobs, free healthcare, and HOT babes. America is a terrible place to live compared to pretty much everywhere else. To live a comfortable life in America you need to pretty much be a DM at an In-N-Out or own a successful small business. Same life in Australia is bagging groceries 32 hours a week but boo hoo you because games are more expensive? Dude...
>>334842404
They're barely bought at all, Bloodborne is the best selling PS4 exclusive at a little over 2 million sold and isn't even in the top-30 best selling games. Xbomes only exclusive that sold decently was Halo but even then it got shit slapped by fuming Splatoon and MS won't even show us numbers for sales or its population online. These consoles exist entirely on third party multiplats.
>>334843430
Look at your own graph. They're overlaid.
>but ps2 had 10+ years
>ps4 had about 3
Has no meaning when they're overlaid.
>"gamers" means nothing,
http://www.statista.com/statistics/268954/revenues-of-global-video-games-industry/
You'd have to be retarded to think that the difference between 8 billion dollar industry in 2000 and a 31 billion dollar industry in 2014 is nothing.
Sony should be doing much better now that they're a farmer in Ukraine. But they're not. At the 1 year mark of that graph, PS4 sold approximately 70% more than the PS2 did at that point in its life. The game industry is 4 times as large.
That should be 400%.
>>334843650
Dude, there won't be higher res textures or assets... PS4K will play the same exact games at the same exact performance but in native 4K. Stop thinking that this is the difference between a V6 Camaro and a Z/28.
>but they're getting rid of the old PS4s!
Exactly reaffirming my point... Same console, different numbers.
>>334843918
>America is a terrible place to live compared to pretty much everywhere else.
America has hot babes, like overweight illegal Mexican women.
>>334843020
Console market is shrinking though, fewer consoles are selling each year, it's been in decline since the middle of 7th gen with 2015 being a possible exception.
>>334844071
your math doesn't work out BTW
>>334844151
Even with twice the horsepower the games will not be in 4K.
>>334836508
Does Colin have that as his Twitter pic because he loves freedom or because he's a whiny edgy bitch?
Are you ready to throw the biggest shitstorm imaginable when this is announced so Sony will have to retract it?
>>334838538
>if 1% of upset people say irrational things it invalidates the 99%
love this meme.
>>334843020
Wow nice backpedal. Impressive mental gymanstics. Nice.
10/10
>>334844287
dude is a conservative lolbertarian
>>334836508
I'm not getting the problem here. PC versions of these games have a wealth of graphical options, and they have to develop for an insane variety of hardware combinations. This shouldn't be anywhere near that bad.
I just want a FFXV that doesn't run like a slideshow, and doesn't have models that look like they're made out of sawblades.
>>334844192
Yes, that's my conclusion too. Which again is Sony's fault (as well as MS and Nintendo) for not remaining competitive over this stretch of time
>>334844213
Good post, come back when you have numbers. The gaming industry is much larger than it was in 2000. +70% over the PS2 is not good enough.
The numbers should be quadrupled if Sony were doing 'well.'
>>334844309
No. I am going to stand in Sony's corner cheering them on *because* it's such a stupid idea. The PS4K will kill Sony. If they realize it's a bad idea and don't make it, they'll survive the next winter.
Show of hands. Who bought the OG PS4 recently and who is pissed.
http://strawpoll.me/7419605
>>334844318
That was my first post in the thread you dumb nigger. I can't backpedal if I have no original position
If you can't handle the word 'anonymous' or imageboards in general maybe you should go back to NeoGAF.
>>334842542
Only blurays are 1080p.
>>334844385
Very strange that he would have turned on consumers like he did during the ME3 fiasco. Best as I can tell, he's basically the guy who popularized the term "gamer entitlement".
>>334844449
If Sony dies then all your future games will be Windows 10 or Xbone. Say goodbye to your privacy
>>334837378
Sold more than xbone and wiiu combined
>>334843430
The PS4 isn't going to keep up with the PS2. You just have too look at all 7th gen consoles, they collapsed quickly as soon as the 8 th gen systems came out.
Whereas the PS2 sold like an extra 40 million during the 7th gen. The PS4 would have to sell like the DS did to reach 150 million, and it's not.
>>334844385
Also a 311 fan so it goes hand in hand
>>334844393
It's double the work. PC versions, developers find the minimum and recommended then optimize as much as they can for those specs but some games are fucked. At the same time, it only needs one QA process. A PS4K spec means everything has to be custom built up from the ground for the spec and QA'd all over again. It's twice the work for little gain.
>>334844534
Holy shit, it is. How nice for that faggot to still be even a little relevant in the industry.
>>334837926
What about OTHER GAEMS ?
>>334844310
>why are those BLM cucks such niggers they burned down a town!
>fucking essjaydoubleyous are the real bullies, they harassed Boogie!
>>334841402
>HOW IS 60FPS NOT THE STANDARD
Because to Western Devs, Graphics comes first above performance
If the PS4 really did get more powerful specs with a 4.5 model, you would just see shinier fucking graphics, no improvement to frame rates
>>334844695
I'm sure you can compare the Los Angeles Times to the New York Times and Chicago Tribune in that manner too.
Doesn't stop newspapers from dying. They aren't what they used to be.
>>334844664
>what is the Nintendo NX for 400, alex
>>334844486
What's the "Don't have one, I'm just here to shitpost", option.
>>334844393
>they have to develop for an insane variety of hardware combinations
That's not how it works. They create the graphics options so that they don't have to fine tune the game for specific hardware. You just change the options to high, mid, low and see if your current PC can run it. Games are not developed with specific settings for specific hardware's.
For this ps4 they will have to literally fine tune it for another very specific hardware. There's probably more work going into that.
>>334844717
>Also a 311 fan so it goes hand in hand
what are the stereotypes of 311 fans?
Sony could solve this by just forcing them to use the same profile for both PS4 and PS4.5 and the PS4.5 would just get higher framerates, which VR needs anyway
Would you rather buy a PS4 Neo or a NX?
I'd ratherget the Neo, I don't fucking trust Nintendo
>>334844886
>NO GAMES LMAO
>>334844664
>Implying it's not already gone
Wait. Wait. Wait.
Let me get this straight.
You're trying to tell me developers aren't happy with having extra horsepower with? I mean... Since most games are built for PC then downgraded to consoles, how does this exactly cost more?
>>334844832
What is Nintendo first party games only, Alex?
>>334844931
>what are the stereotypes of 311 fans?
Conservative lolbetarians
Spread the word. The PS4K "NEO" effectively has an R9 390!
PC gaming on suicide watch!!!
>>334845052
And why is that? You're not being descriptive enough
>>334845035
>Since most games are built for PC then downgraded to consoles
They are built for consoles then ported to PC.
>>334845102
Who cares? We don't buy a console for graphics.
>>334845041
This will change when Nintendo cucks the PS4 and Xbone with bright and shiny hardware.
>>334838301
In 2001 lorne lanning was shilling for xbox and tearing ps2 to shreds
Dude seems... mercurial
>>334845102
Whats an R9 390? Why don't they just call it AMD 2016-MidtierGPU rather than nonsense numbers
>>334845035
>You're trying to tell me developers aren't happy with having extra horsepower with?
It splits the market.
Compare mobile dev (which I know, is a putrid bog of miasma). Deploying to Apple devices means targeting one build, the current iPhone version. Deploying to Android means targeting many builds, many resolutions, different chip sets, everything.
The main strength of console is that the developer only has to target one build. This has been changed by Sony for the first time in gaming history, schisming their own console. Not even Nintendo with their Expansion Pak (required to play Majora's Mask) did this shit, because existing owners of the N64 didn't have to buy an entirely new console to keep up.
>>334844943
Both. Though if I had to pick one I'd go NX.
>>334844758
>black lives matter shit
>gamergate shit
loving every laugh. take a break from the internet for a while.
>>334845035
They'll have to do a PS4 version and a PS4K version. And they're not happy with that.
>>334845120
That seems pretty ass backwards considering PC players tend have more robust graphical settings.
>He not only believes these horseshit rumors
>HE ALSO FUCKING THINKS SONY WILL ANNOUNCE THE FUCKING THING THIS YEAR
>>334845267
Just like the Wii and Wii U didnt
>>334845434
E3 this year bro. Mark your calendar. This many people don't confirm shit independently unless it's real.
>>334845413
Indeed, but consoles sells more copies which is what companies goes for.
>>334840440
The fact you even said this shows how low on the totem pole games are.
>>334837616
Nintendo did it with the new 3ds and it didn't shoot itself in the foot so sony ia copying that with their success.
>>334845349
Fragmentation isn't going to happen with *one* more hardware set up, dude. And for the people who don't want to buy a new console? That's fine, it's a free country. Me personally, you know GameStop is going to have some crazy trade in and trade up deal with old PS4 for PS4K, so that's the route I'm going. Even I spend as much as $200 on an upgrade, it would still be cheaper than buying a new CPU or GPU for a gaming rig...
>>334844762
Devs (well, their publishers really) follow the market. Good graphics look good in marketing materials, selling the games and making money. Graphics are understood the world over. If you tried
talking about FPS to a normal person theyd look at you like youre autistic, which you might be.
>>334845527
I'll be preordering as soon as they go up, especially if they announce an improved version of FFXV for it.
>>334839041
>selling than
>expect
>fate
I'm assuming English isn't your first language.
>>334845349
>>334845385
That really doesn't make sense considering developers already run into these issues while developing for PC platforms; sure, they all run Windows, but the hardware configurations vary from user to user. If they do indeed have to release two PS4 "versions", it'll just be one that mirrors PC performance and one that mirrors current PS4 performance.. It's like releasing for PS3 and PS4, pretty much.
>>334845413
>Textures:
Sure, they start with high res and downscale for consoles
>Lighting/polygons/AI/number of characters
Not usually different between consoles and PC
>Shadow resolution/AO
Super easy to change for PC
>Bullshit Nvidia meme settings
Yep, those have no effect on the game and are usually added after. And look retarded (smoke, liquids, crazy amounts of debris)
>>334845821
>Good graphics look good in marketing materials
Yes but it never help to sell a game.
I'd buy a PS4 if I wanted to other games than Bloodborne. I can't justify buying a console for a single game.
>>334837693
the cost of handleds isn't even near the cost of a console.
this is gonna be ugly
>>334839745
One disc for 2 system with different settings, stupid faggot. Ps4 middle settings and Psneo high setting. But of course console baby can't handle life.
>>334845826
I'll be sure to spoil the game for you since FF15 comes out before PS4.5
>ps4 slim that has better textures but the same framerate
seems like a waste of time. plus it'll be $200 more than the OG ps4. is it really only there to handle 4k streams and movies?
>>334845854
>Sure, they start with high res and downscale for consoles
Considering the texture resolution on the console ports I've seen played, I have to disagree.
>>334844071
>PS4 sold approximately 70% more than the PS2 did at that point in its life
Not even. Much of that $31 billion comes from mobile shit, subscription fees and microtransactions. The console market is shrinking and the traditional retail model is dying.
>>334845413
>>334845854
>Sure, they start with high res and downscale for consoles
A fine example of this would be Dark Souls AotA on PC. It was a literal 1:1 port of the 360 version but lo and behold, the game had surprisingly pleasant visuals hidden under the 'console setting'.
>>334846291
>Slim
I expect it to be bulkier
>>334836508
>Sony fanboy is shitting on the PS4.5
wew lads
Somehow i think Sony won't exist after this generation
>>334844486
Jokes on you. I got mine as a gift. The same goes for the xbone.
>>334846291
>is it really only there to handle 4k streams and movies?
Correct. "Unlocking" a core and swapping out the HDMI-out port for one that can actually put out 4K. It's for crap upscaling and netflix
>>334844397
Nintendo at least tries to separate themselves and offer something the others don't. Even in this shrinking market they'll survive because they're not offering the same experience and they rely on their own software, not 3rd parties who can and will go elsewhere.
Games keep getting more expensive, ship with less content, the technology required to keep pushing the visuals people expect and that sell games keeps getting more expensive and the market itself is shrinking after an explosion during 6th and 7th gem. Not looking good.
>>334845102
How about equating it to actual GPUs, instead of AMD?
>>334838269
Nigga, that's blatantly false
>Games running in NEO mode will be able to use the hardware upgrades (and an additional 512 MiB in the memory budget) to offer increased and more stable frame rate and higher visual fidelity, at least when those games run at 1080p on HDTVs. The NEO will also support 4K image output, but games themselves are not required to be 4K native.
Pulled straight from the article
why do i give a fuck what developers dont like
youre probably the same kinda guy who excuses a lack of game balance because "its hard to balance" like why do i fucking care its not my job
>>334836508
>What did he mean by this?
loving that thread already
>>334845985
It's really all that sells games to the general public. They're like Hollywood movies, pretty graffix and a "cinematic" story and the general public eats it up.
>"it's as strong as a 970/390 maybe?"
>Comes out in early 2017
>Same time as Vega & Big Pascal
>Vega is going to have 32GB's of HBM2 at 1TB's bandwidth & over 4000 GCN cores
What's the point of doing this anyway, if it's Sony way of keeping up with the PC it's not going to work
I think everyone who owns a PS4 also doesn't like it.
Congrats on pissing off your customers, Sony. Remember how you were on top and then you weren't because of sheer arrogance? Good thing that won't ever happen again, right?
>>334847263
>It's really all that sells games to the general public
Cite me one example of a game that sells with graphics?
>>334844486
This is the first time I'm wasn't exited for next gen
>>334838480
>Sleeping fucking Dogs can't run at a stable 30 on console never mind 60
Jesus christ.
Now imagine how developers feel about PC and its 500 graphics cards, CPUs and what not. Having to optimize around infinite number of builds and getting shit on by elitist basement dwelling virgins when a fucking wall texture looks slightly off and then having it pirated by most people in the end anyway or bought at 95% off on steam
>>334844943
NX. I already have a ps4.
>>334847301
>Vega is going to have 32GB's of HBM2 at 1TB's bandwidth & over 4000 GCN cores
It's not going to have 32GB.
But I think they just realized that a 7850 isn't enough to even run 1080p/30 properly. So the "default" version of most games is probably going to be 900p @23fps and the "NEO" version will be 1080p @60fp or 1440p @30fps.
I better be able to trade in my fucking current ps4 cause the only shit i played on it so far has been bloodborne.
It would be nice if this got developers off their arses and put a proper options menu in console games. Most games run sub-30 and if I had the option too, I would definitely turn some of the graphical shit down/off to at least get it stable
>>334847954
>It would be nice if this got developers off their arses and put a proper options menu in console games. Most games run sub-30 and if I had the option too, I would definitely turn some of the graphical shit down/off to at least get it stable
Just buy a PC then.
What would even be the point of having a console?
>>334836508
>Having to develop around it
did sony steal something from nintendo again
This shit is really shaping up to be even more scummy than the Nintendo Wii U/NX shit.
>>334836508
They're mad they have to make a game with a strong version and a weak version.
Aka, what devs have been doing on PC since for fucking ever.
>>334848283
I think the better comparison would be new 3ds. At least NX isn't some sort of weird stopgap revision with nothing go for it.
>>334848125
because some games can only be played on console you idiot
>>334836508
As a dev who has worked on several things Sony, I can tell you for a fact those shit-for-hardware consoles lock out cores for their system, reserve memory for their own useless bullshit and then keep it 80% unoccupied, have trouble connecting to debuggers on dev kits, and the list goes on.
>>334848125
I do have a PC but that's really not an excuse. Those options should really be there.
Remember when the original PS4 was supposed to be on par with a GTX 680?
>pay for online
when will they stop this
>>334839093
Are you thinking about the additional RAM? That was for disc caching because the drive starting and stopping constantly was annoying and a battery hog. Everything got to use it because it was part of the firmware for reading from disc.
Or do you mean the CPU "upgrade" from 266 to 333? Because that was just an SDK change that allowed devs to use the previously blocked higher cpu clock. Even PSP 1000s could do it, sony just didn't allow it because of battery life concerns.
What the fuck is this Don't Tread On Me shit?
>>334844490
(You)
>>334838405
anyone who doesn't wait for the second iteration of a console, ie the "slim" model, is a giant fucking retard.
>>334849620
It's shit white trash put on their bumpers, sorta like Calvin pissing on things.
>>334845349
Technically Sega did it first with the Mega Drive 32x and CD. Both of those were complete failures of course, so hey.
>>334839225
What's the likelihood of a PS4 game not running 100% flawlessly on the PS4.5? This isn't like the PC where a brand new GPU architecture completely rewrites the rulebook on shader optimisation or a new driver release craps on your 5 year old hack. This is a spec bump, and you can be damned sure Sony have made sure that the entire back catalogue is fine, so logically your new PS4 game will be too.
Hell, has anyone actually CONFIRMED that a PS4 game will suddenly be asked to run on a faster CPU with a faster GPU? My reading of the situation is that a PS4 game will run at identical clocks to the original model, but a PS4.5 game can request the faster "neo" mode on launch. If as a dev you see no value in targeting the neo mode then you don't need to do shit. And let's be honest, the New 3DS is hardly swamped with "enhanced" games. It's been over 2 years and we've had Xenosaga and Hyrule Warriors. Smash kinda counts I suppose.
>>334838301
>Lorne Lanning was on Game Informer yesterday cussing out Sony for their plans and calling PSVR a "Poison".
>just listened tot he podcast
>said nothing of the sort, even said from what he has tried of psvr it is good enough to sell
m8 why you lie?
>>334836508
>same cpu just faster
>same memory just faster
>same gpu just faster (and double the compute units)
at the bare minimum they could just take their vanilla ps4 games and make them run at 1080p 60fps without adding any extra graphics, or just push a few particles sliders up
>>334845102
Kek, it would be a 380 at best. Its probably gonna be all the same, maybe add some RAM and clock a bit higher the CPU and GPU so they can pull out some bullshit benchmarks for marketing
>>334836508
AHAHAHAHAHA! That's why I didn't buy a PS4. I'm so fucking happy they are pulling a Nintendo.
>>334850896
>36 compute units
amd doesn't have a gpu that can hold that many compute units, so it's all but confirmed that it's a polaris gpu.
>>334851139
games must be compatible with the OG ps4 and no extra features allowed, just improved graphics.
so it's nothing like the dick move nintendo pulled
>>334836508
It means that the only games that will really take advantage of the new hardware will be ones funded by Sony.
You're basically upgrading for better load times.
>>334838018
I've been holding off on getting a PS4. This looks like a good excuse to get one.
>>334849620
its california cucks trying to act tough and stealing the slogan from Texas
>>334851625
>no extra features allowed
>just improved graphics
>and improved frame rates
it certainly is a decent fuck you m8
>>334844385
Sweet, that's what I was wondering
>>334852114
better than
>lol upgrade or no games
>btw $10 for a charger
>>334849620
Don't Tread on Me was one of the mottos of the Continental Marines leading up to the American Revolution.
>>334852378
>b-but nintendo
for the record i'm not the other guy who replied to you first, dumb sonycuck
>>334838004
Not him but you basicaslly said that the PS3.5 is fail and you know what your life's a fail how's bout' that?
>people shit all over PS4 for 2 years with "lol 30fps 1080p"
>Sony takes steps to fix this
>BAH GAWD WHAT ARE THEY THINKIN WITH THIS SHIT?!?!
>>334852556
For the record I don't give a fuck, nintendo are generally treat their customers much worse.
I aint even sonycuck, I bet my pc is better than yours
>>334837378
36 million consoles sold isn't a success to you?
>>334852675
my dick is way bigger than yours tho
>>334852675
And Valve treats their customers even worse than you think Nintendo does.
>>334836508
>devs dont like they have to actually make a game.not shit.
Shame ps4.5 still sucks ass.
>>334836508
[citation needed]
>>334852643
You're right, it was unfixable shit from the start.
People who had in mind a "solution" other than trashing it all were delusional.
>Meanwhile on other thread
>>334849518
This E3 gonna be a fucking shitshow
>>334852981
If sony doesn't get booed out the asshole on the PS4.5 reveal I swear this industry is FUCKED.
Honestly, this is the future of console gaming, and the main reason it'll die out.
GPUs and CPUs are getting better so fast that consoles are already obsolete by the time they come out. Unless they take steps to allow users to upgrade their hardware, they'll be forced to release new models to keep up.
>>334852851
Valve doesn't take down Youtube videos with Source games, make flash ROMs illegal in Britain or release firmware updates to prevent people from unlocking Steam Machines.
I'm a tacolander wanting to buy a PS4for KoF XIV go figure. Now, since i pay on installments, i won't get my console until i pay certain amount. Which i almost reach.
I'm confused about the new PS4, what's so new about it really. When i got my 360, the slim model released a month or so later and i don't want that to happen again.
Wat do?
>>334836508
Wait a minute
Is that the "gamers are entitled" guy?
>throwing a 40 million+ install base in the trash because you can't keep up with PC
Gen 8 is a disaster
I welcome the great video games crash of 2015
>>334853172
Didn't they got booed for using AT&T for Vita's 3G?
>>334852851
>small iteration model makes old model completely obsolete
>stop including chargers
>force youtubers who provide free advertising for them to hand over any revenue they make
>ban an account shared by a father and his young daughter because he should have bought those games twice
nintendo are the fucking devil
>>334853256
Nintendo doesn't deny customer rights, take price money for themselves nor lobby for a stronger DMCA.
>>334849620
Some sort of far right shit
>>334836508
I don't trust his sources.
>>334836508
But why? When a new console is coming out developers are always talking about how excited they are because they can do much more and now they suddenly hate it?
>>334852851
Valve doesn't cut half the content out of games to sell as rare limited edition physical DLC.
Nothing really any company has done compares to amiibo to me. It locks everything from dungeons to full on playable characters and movesets to fucking co op. And over a year later, most amiibos are still non-existantly rare. Instead of every shop having 80 marios and pikachus, every shop now has 80 animal crossing amiibos, ZSS, and splatoon and that's it.
>>334838014
the whole issue PC has is optimizing engines for the architecture of different hardware
this is essentially a step in that direction on a platform where the major advantage is being able to squeeze every last bit of processing power out of it because you know your entire userbase is going to have exactly the same hardware.
>>334853891
Imagine you had been working on a game for 3 years and you're on the final stretch, then suddenly there's a new platform you have to make it work for
>>334853931
No, but they sell it as microtransactions.
>>334854193
A $3 hat is not the same as a whole game mode locked behind a $15 collectible
>>334854496
Like the entire point of Mann vs. Machine being locked behind the ten dollar ticker?
>>334841402
Because they have to live up to the graphical standards that have been placed. They could try to aim for 60 FPS but it would make most games look worse than a game that "AIMS" to be at 30 fps. Most mainstream players prefer their games to look good since they seem not to give a shit about games running on a stable framerate.
>>334853891
Because it is another platform they will have to make games for.
>>334854805
Content added after the fact to a f2p game is not the same as content being fenced off at launch
>>334855040
That content in TF2 could have easily been funded by the microtransactions. The content behind the Amiibo are funded by the Amiibo sales.
Sony is demonic
>>334854805
>people STILL don't get the reason why people hate amiibo
Please show me the physical rare item I needed to buy to get into MVM (which is in a free to play game but let's not even go over that)
>>334854805
You can play mann vs machine without buying a ticket m8, always have been. You just don't get special drops.
>>334855381
>The content behind the Amiibo are funded by the Amiibo sales.
Do you think Nintendo hired extra people specifically to make amiibo content?
They still charge full price for the game too ontop of the content behind the paywall
>>334855513
They are.
I can't for these fucking jews to go broke
>>334843020
its been a terrible year for wheat in Ukraine, fuck you know about farming nigger?
>>334845102
>8 core at 2,1 Ghz
>Maybe again this utterly stupid decision on having only vram
Lol, only folks on suicide watch here are the future owner of this shit. At the rate it goes, soon they'll annonce it's an shitty "R9390 equivalent" apu chip and not a discrete Graphic card
>>334856352
Here's my question. Why don't console makers just take a consumer CPU and GPU and slap them in a box. Why obfuscate, underclock ,etc.
>>334852114
>and improved frame rates
More stable rates, yeah, but 30fps games aren't gonna become 60fps since the CPU bottleneck will be huge.
>>334857093
because mass producing a chipset on a motherboard all integrated is cheaper
the board is probably a foxconn board with some kingston memory and an AMD chipset
it being integrated is cheaper than having all the separate parts
>>334856352
Having only gddr5 is a great decision for a dedicated gaming box.
99% of the data being shifted around will be largish blocks; textures, meshes, etc
The much higher bandwidth vs higher latency is a great tradeoff if you're just making a box to play games.
>>334857093
It's cheaper.
When the spec sheet says ' jaguar 8 core' it doesn't literally mean there's that chip inside. Its just the logical cores. The memory controller, cpu cache, and all the other gubbins that sits on the die next to the cores is custom. Rip open a ps4 and it will have 'sony corp' etched on the die.
>>334858194
It won't, pretty much all games that have any sort of optimisation only run into a cpu bottleneck when using a low end cpu with super high end gpu.
>>334836508
>shit dark souls 3 PC version pretty much convinced me to get ps4
>dunno if I should wait for ps4.5
well shit
>>334858570
Well PS4k's CPU is still pathetically low-end, sooo
>>334858659
>this version of the game was superior and it convinced me to get the inferior version
>>334858194
I can tell you're used to playing console ports.
Try a game with decent optimisation, it will only run into a cpu bottleneck if you try to run a Q6600 with a 980ti
>>334845385
If the development process is still the same, it would just mean it runs better on ps4.5
>>334841686
Okay, they release one butchered game to fulfill obligations, then don't release a game until futher notice or improvements are made. (see Orange box on ps3)
>>334836508
>Just got 400 dollars from cable company
>Thinking about buying a PS4
>PS4.5 is apparently coming out
Why would they do this? It does require dev's to program for TWO machines now
>>334858750
>8 cores at 2.1ghz
Provided devs multithread their games then it's as fast as it needs to be.
>>334841686
Sony doesn't have the money or the pull to force anyone to make games for their consoles.
No amount of marketing and saying that it has a large base of customers will make that materialze in reality.
And if nintendo decides to play nice with the devs instead of going for a console design that will ensure profit for themselves the devs can tell sony to go eat a dick.
>>334841917
Virtual reality and the entire notion of starting a quasi new gen when the new nintendo comes out actually.
>>334844309
Woooooow that looks like SHIT
>>334859450
>Virtual Reality
>Wearing a monitor on your head
I'll never understand this meme
>>334858957
>takes an eternity to start up
>it's always a gamble if it will actually start or just repeatedly crash until I reboot my entire pc and open nothing but Dark Souls 3
>"just don't look at the bonfire or turn your settings to shit, then it'll work fine!!!1!"
>still get random crashes
>inb4 'b-b-but ur hardwerr jus sukzzz!'
>hardware far exceeds requirements
Cry more faggot, PCs are only good for hipster 2D platformers and walking simulators for bleeding heart manchildren, literally everything else has 9000 more bugs you have to go in and fix than on any console for negligible graphical improvements.
>>334858750
You do realise that the jaguar cpu they're using has all the power-saving and underclocking features of the tablet processors ripped out?
So its equivalent to some xeon server cpus Intel make (more cores, lower clocks)
As long as developers parallelize their games then they'll work great
Who's ready for
The Last Guardian
PS4.5 EXCLUSIVE
>>334859301
Sony does have the money though, but they aren't biased towards one company. They only pay for some exclusives.
>>334859609
>>takes an eternity to start up
thats you and your shit computer, get an SSD faggot
>>it's always a gamble if it will actually start or just repeatedly crash until I reboot my entire pc and open nothing but Dark Souls 3
they already patched this shit
>hurr durr anecdotes
already patched
>hardware far exceeds requirements
no it doesn't
>>334859631
They're using an Atari Jaguar CPU?
>>334859631
>As long as developers parallelize their games then they'll work great
Too bad, devs can't optimize for shit.
>>334859771
No, AMD called this particular processor the "Jaguar series"
>>334859747
>WUT U SED ISNT TRU HAHA I WIN
Mustard Race sure showed me
>>334836508
No shit devs don't like it when you have to put more effort in your games to make them look better
Not to mention all the money they have to spend that was gonna go on hookers and blow
>>334859913
>some retards anecdotes
>some fraction of people have an issue therefore the entire game is shit
>spews memes and anecdotes
>>334859301
There is 40 million ps4s out in the wild, the next best competitor has less than half that, and the gap is widening.
Devs are falling over themselves to put their games on ps4
>>334859745
No I mean they don't have the money to force publishers and devs to make ps4.5 only/exclusive games or optimize them for the ps4.5.
They just don't.
They are hoping to push the MOST SOLD CONSOLES thing to FORCE third parties to publish mostly for their console without having to spend a dime on anything save for PR Marketing and manipulating the console distribution lines like gamestop and the like.
It's working okay, but no one is actually making any games for the current gen. Its' too much money.
And last gen is still running on sales for older games and multigen AAA titles.
>>334838060
>PS4
>released 2013
Wait, what?
I thought it came out like last year
>>334860191
They do have the money though. Where does it say they don't?
>>334844309
I hope both Microsoft and Nintendo call Sony out on their bullshit.
Although that's assuming Microsoft won't do the same thing.
>>334860041
>just learned the word anecdote and is excited to use it
>doesn't understand why somebody's plethora of bad experiences with a shit version of a good game would make them want to play a good version of that game
>only has the shit version of the game so instead of playing it he spends time trying to save face on an anonymous imageboard by downplaying inexcusable, widespread flaws ina product while people with the good version are off enjoying themselves
slaying
>>334860363
>one thread on /v/ complaining is evidence
>NO ITS NOT ANECDOTES I SWEAR
>>334860284
No, you're just getting old
>>334853494
>I welcome the great video games crash of 20XX
Since 2007 or so when I first came here, I've seen this post countless times. Yet here we are. The video game industry still exists. /v/ is the Michael Pachter of message boards.
>>334860191
>they don't have the money to force publishers and devs to make ps4.5 only/exclusive games
Sony told devs that all games must run on the og ps4 and the only improvements for the ps4k version are visuals, no extra content allowed.
Plus the ps4k is basically exactly the same as the og ps4 but faster cpu, faster gpu, faster memory. Upgrading their games will consist of just tweaking a few settings, most of their optimisations will carry over between both systems
>>334860191
To be fair.
Some devs kinda hate sony or their consoles for some reason.
Hell, monhunt devs hate because they told them to fuckoff.
And thats because they didn't want add trophy support.
>>334860425
>I know, I'll say anecdotes again, that's a 3 syllable word, that'll make me look smart! Then I'll fit in on /v/ for sure!
>you just found that out while surfin' the chanz, therfor ur rong
>wut can I say when us /v/ goers are rite were rite
Good job, you won the contest, I'm sure that pats on the back from all these other sweet chan browsers are incoming.
>>334836508
Not surprising, they have to work on another SKU at the end of the year, probably two more if NX is out as well. No one likes more work.
>>334860116
Yeah, sony's word on how many consoles they've sold means nothing. Hasn't meant anything since they were outed for bullshitting about the ps2's sales.
Everyone is going along with this because it has momentum, but if that doesn't materialize into money then they'll dump their ass in a heartbeat.
False momentum means nothing if people don't buy into it and it doesn't materialize into more games and more sales.
Want to know what's even worse? They have less varied gamers then last gen. And that means even fewer genres and publishers will make any money.
>>334836508
So it will end up being another PS3.
>>334860532
If the PS4 came out 3 years ago and Bloodborne is already a year old, why did the meme bragging start at early 2016?
PS4 is practically a dead console already
>>334861012
Well, at least portables still have some kind of variety.
Consoles nowdays are just AAA or go home, aside nintendo.
Makes me wonder what is going happen on next gen of portables, since sony pretty much said that they aren't going make another portable.
>>334861221
because the PS4 had NO GAMES for launch and took almost 2 years just for it to get 1 notable game
having to develop for multiple kinds of consoles is probably more expensive than for just the base PS4 model
I will buy it if they patch bloodborne to either run at 60fps at the current res, or 1080p at stable 30fps
>>334860191
You have no idea how business works and no idea what Sonys bottom line truly is
shut up you fucking retard because people are actually getting dumber reading your retarded logic
>>334861301
Nintendo
Cost no more then 150
Will have decent graphics but nintendo will set the standard with modest artistic graphics
Streaming will be pushed
Camera
Walled garden nintendo gamestore and few websites that they can go to.
Will connect to the NX console
Will have it's own internet connection through a simcard slot.
Basically have all of the benefits of a apple/android mobile minus the shit games apps and have all of those nintendo and full games that parents trust and gamers know will be good.
Will be the go to for most parents as a cheaper safer alternative to the wild west of the android and apple mobile devices.
>>334861347
That's probably why I didn't hear anything about it, since nobody talked about a console with nothing on it.
>>334861012
Ps4 sales were independently confirmed by the ea leak and there's other sources too just one quick Google search away anon ;-)
Also you do realise that if they lied about sales then their investors would sue for billions? False numbers would inflate share prices and that's fraud.
Got a source for the ps2 number bullshitting btw?
>>334860880
>Some devs kinda hate sony or their consoles for some reason.
That's because the PS2 was oversaturated and killed of a whole lot of devs.
>>334861585
A picture of some faggot some retards online are trying to push as a thing and a rambling sentence that boils down to "nuh uh you're a stupid head" means nothing you cunt.
Post something with some substance or fuck off.
>boo hoo I have to do extra planning to develop my multimillion dollar game for the top console in the entire world
This is the definition of entitlement, Colin.
>>334861749
And PS3 killed even more.
HD era is a wonderful thing
>>334861301
>Makes me wonder what is going happen on next gen of portables
>>334861845
It's literally okay when Sony does it huh.
>>334861793
I don't have to prove anything to you faggot because your logic is obviously supported by nothing but yourself and guess what yourself is not a trusted anything
fuck off nigger
>>334862075
>guy who clearly needs to go back to his own board tells others to leave
Why do /pol/tards always do the exact things they cry are killing civilization?
>>334861997
A lot of devs died in 2d to 3d era.
And a lot of devs died in HD era.
This isn't something exclusive to sony.
But AAA companies like EA and Ubisoft are raising the bar too high for small devs.
And i'm not talking about indies.
>>334862136
>I post images I pick up from 4chan here and there
>automatically makes me associate with a board
are you actually autistic? I mean really. Stay on your meds kiddo
>>334861651
EA is ran by untrustworthy fucktards. Remember the ANONYMOUS anti-wiiu leak from a while back?
How they were in the process of being sued by their own investors for pushing bad product and lying about how much it cost to make?
And anyone can post constant lies anywhere. I want real numbers from a credible source. Not something that can be cheap pr.
By the way. It was known that sony called any console that was shipped 'sold' and they were sued for purposely putting out bad product to artificially inflate sales.
Their entire company was relegated to a bottom of the barrel laughing stock because of their notorious and egregious planned obsolescence practices.
>>334860331
>Nintendo calling them out on this
Haha. Good luck you faggot crack baby.
Nintendo is about ten times worse with that shit than anybody else. They have new revisions with exclusive games all the fucking time.
If Nintendo dared to open their mouth about this, they would get crucified.
>>334862217
They didn't die in the change from 2D to 3D they left the console industry entirely for the much greener pasteurs of the handhelds.
But that was long after they had to survive on saturn and slipping in some shit tier 3D in their 2D games so they could be allowed to publish on the psx.
As for the HD era. It was mainly because of the sheer costs involved, the 360 dying if you looked at it for longer then 2 minutes and the ps3 being horribly expensive for everyone and a back breaking chore to program for.
The ds, wii and 3ds basically kept the none AAA and a surprising amount of AAA console industry types in the black, till nintendo went full retard and quasi retired their winner console.
Now that there are no consoles out there that can keep the dedicated game devs alive and the big two are only selling to a self created tiny and shrinking pool of degenerate whales. I don't see the industry lasting for much longer.
>>334862501
Ea got to be dominant through knowing the market and exploiting it, they can't do that without accurate numbers.
And even if those numbers are ps4s shipped that still means Sony made money from them, do you think the stores only pay Sony once they sell the ps4? Lol
>>334862978
>They have new revisions with exclusive games all the fucking time.
The difference being that they aren't exactly new games are they?
