FO2 sucks.
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>You missed
>Giant ant hits you for 1 points
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>Giant ant hits you for 2 points
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>Giant ant hits you for 2 points
10/10. game, best RPG of all time, totally better than Fallout 4.
>>317652992
Welcome to /v/, where old = good.
>Fallout 1/2 have good combat systems
>Fallout 3/NV/4 are good games
Best memes.
>>317652992
you probably just have a shit character
>choose a shit build
>WOOOOOOOOOOOW I'M MISSING ALL THE TIME
It's the same with Morrowind
>use all your stamina
>WOOOOOOOOOOOW I CAN'T HIT ANYTHING ANYMORE, WHY???
>>317653467
Welcome to /v/, where underage can't play isometric games because of silly reasons like "it hasn't aged well" or "the graphics are bad", so instead their only argument is "take off your nostalgia goggles".
>>317652992
>Game punishes you for having shit builds
>"I-It's shit guys"
>>317652992
show us your character sheet faggot
I thought the game was enjoyable overall but holy shit how could anyone find that combat system fun
>>317652992
Maybe you'll have an easier time playing Angry Birds?
>>317652992
You know you can just run past them if you didn't make a combat build
>>317653796
>Game is advertised as allowing you to talk your way out of all fights with the right build
>Takes two hours to clear first dungeon using that build because ants cannot be reasoned with
Bravo Chris
>>317653796
>game punishes you for building your character as you prefer
>>317654036
>not running past the ants and scorpions
>not talking your way out of fighting at the end
>>317654036
usually takes around 10 min? What The Fuck are you doing, jerking off in the corner?
Op got so hyped up on fo4 hate that he tried to play the old games and was so bad at video games that he got stomped and ass ravaged and stopped by to shitpost before playing more lol
>>317654169
>expecting a game to hold your hand when all you've done is spec Gambling, Traps, and Outdoorsman
>Aim at guy
>Shoot twice
>Miss
>Miss
>Get up to grab some breakfast
>Take a shower
>Work two shifts back to back
>Come home
>Eat dinner
>Wake up the next morning
>it's almost my turn again
Turn based combat is absolute horse shit. Give me a new Fallout with Fallout Tactics gameplay
>>317652992
>Unequip the spear you start with, since you probably have 20% in melee
>Suddenly, can hit ants for 50% + instead of 20
Git
>build a shit character
>play like shit
Did you make a Breton warrior, Sprint out of town, and mash M1 on a Scrib, then say Morrowind has shit combat?
>>317654494
This, even if you don't tag unarmed you still start with, what, 50% or so?
>>317654036
>excuse me mister huge gribbly nasty critter come to eat my face off. let me use my intellect and suave charm to joke andcajole you out of your clearly highly intelligent cu ningly formed plan of cold blooded murder. why you're obviously not a FUCKING ANT at all. but a human in disguise I can just talk to like anybody else.
in case you didn't get the fucking memo.ANIMALS cannot talk.and ddon't go huehuehue muh intelligent deathclaws. because their whole thing is to be the exception due to enclave fuckery.
just hit 1 and stealth walk away. even with no stealth skill a high agi character can literally walk circles around any critter in the fucking game.
>>317654387
>HE ACTUALLY ENJOYS TACTICS AND BROTHERHOOD OF SHIT
OH MY FUCK
>>317655123
I won't say it was a better game, but it was objectively better gameplay.
The isometric camera also needs to go. Isometric is a fucking eye sore.
>>317652992
>"MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM THE TUTORIAL LEVEL IS TOO HARD"
Your neo-/v/ is showing, man.
We have this thread every day
Go back to your Fallout 4 waifu containment threads
>>317654202
>>317654202
If you're building a pacifist character you do not have to fight a single ant in the tutorial, you can walk straight past them to the exit and talk the caveman into letting you go
>>317655610
That's exactly what I was saying anon
>>317654387
just turn up the combat speed you boner
>>317655767
That's why I was highlighting your post :)
As a bonus the ants only have what, 3 or 4 movement points? So unless you went full retard and did a 1 agi build you can stroll right out of their aggro radius in one turn.
>>317655901
Alternately when combat starts, walk away, then because their sequence is shit and you get another turn immediately after your first, hit sneak and end combat.
>>317652992
>I-I CANT PLAY GAMES FOH SHIT...
lel
>>317654759
I kinda wanted Intellegent Deathclaws to return, but it seems they never will. Goris was pretty cool.
>>317654036
What? I made a speech character last week, my first time playing FO2. You can talk your way out of the first human fight in the game.
From there you just use Sulik to clear mole rat cave, get a 10mm and you're set for the rest of the game, especially when you get the car and can go to Enclave for power armor.
You're a complete scrublord
>>317655295
>needs to go
Uhh yeah, I'm sure they'll fix that in the next patch?
>>317655123
Fallout Tactics is a bad game? I was interested in it since I like turn based strategy.
>>317657334
It's not. Brotherhood of Steel is, but Tactics is pretty solid once you get past the slow start. It's more combat centric than 1 and 2 obviously.
the people that whine about missing are the same ones that whine about it in Morrowind.
Why do people who hate RPG's play RPG's, then complain about their RPG gameplay?
>>317657747
Because they want Skyrim
>>317653770
fallout 2 literally punishes you for not tagging melee or unarmed at the beginning.
i love fallout 2, but even I can accept that the beginning is shit.
>>317657637
If you mean that 3-d " Brotherhood of steel" game, no, I wasn't interested in it.
Fallout 2 is one of my favorite games ever, buy if you say the intro isn't horrible then you're full of shit. ToT/Arroyo are a fucking chore if you don't have melee/unarmed, otherwise you may as well just run straight to Klamath
>>317657334
>>317657637
The only bad thing about Fallout Tactics is the difficulty curve forcing you into using heavy weapons ASAP. There's absolutely no place for the 'small guns' skill once you get to the beast tamers and onwards. Super Mutants can't even be touched by that shit and can instakill any of your guys with a single lucky burst since they're all carrying M60s or better. Melee is also totally unviable from start to finish, especially if you're playing it Real Time Turn Based.
>>317657747
Because thier first gaming platform was a 360 and thing older RPGs are just Skyrim with bad graphics.
>Waaah I chose a build that requires preparation and thou- the game punished me! It punished me you all saw it!
>0/10 Nostalgia fags will never hurt me again ;(
>>317653770
> It's a really great RPG, more RPG than later Fallout games, because you're more restricted in how you can role-play!
Some fucking people...
>>317652992
You don't have to fight everything, OP.
>>317656286
I loved intelligent dc's and the pack you can get in tactics is even better.
>that qt stealth melee claw that murderrapes anything that triesto melee your squad
oh. hullo mister super mutie with sledge. say hello to RIP AND TEAR!HUGE GUTS!
>>317652992
i agree with you. i had the same experience in fallout 2 and never made it out of the intro level. I'm a huge fan of isometric RPGs too. I loved Pillars and divinity
>>317657709
I love Fallout 2 but hate Morrowind because missing in Fallout 2 actually makes sense.
>>317659169
ok. go do a fucking triathlon then huddy. then go to a bar right afterwards and get into a fight. lets see you magically defeat everyone due to 'stamina a shit y I missmissmiss'
Sick of all these newfags who don't actually like RPGs playing all these modern action/adventure that bill themselves as RPGs, and the claiming actual RPGs suck.
>Tribal people in SF
>when plasma technology exists
>Using healing powders and shit
>Literally live in huts
>Wear togas and shit
And people say FO3 is bad in its story. Those who like Fo2 are having a serious case of nostalgia goggles.
>>317659480
Not that guy, but I'm pretty sure running a triathlon is nowhere near equivalent to jumping twice and swinging a sword about 8 times.
>>317659520
No, I just hate FO 2. I have played Baldurs gate and Planescape, and they are perfectly great to play despite the dated graphics. FO sucks donkey balls.
>>317657934
you need fight nothing at arroyo . you tard. plus there's two villagers who'll teach you melee and unarmed. then the boxer who's it at the first town teaches you some more unarmed. Enjoy your 75 in unarmed straight away.
>>317659480
There's no way to indicate that you character is out of breath, or any animation that shows any fatigue in Morrowind. Dice rolls in a first person game are retarded. It's done well in Fallout 2 because there's an animation that shows dodging and it has a distance meter.
>>317658765
That's what a fucking ROLE PLAYING game is you dummy, not some homogenized action game that just lets you be amazingly proficient in everything you want to do.
I can't believe it's gotten to the point where even a semblance of rules enforced within a game gets people in a little hissy fit just because they can't be some literal manifestation of a god on earth in a genre that's not supposed to be like that.
>>317652992
I feel ya OP. never again.
>>317653770
>putting hindrances to combat which are retarded and so not fun
>people call it out
>HURRR GIT GUD BTHESSDA DRONE ILL PLAY FO2
>*misses ant for the 20th time *
no seriously is that a bong
You can run right past the ants how fucking dumb can you be.
>>317660081
>Some autistic kid was mad enough to make this
>>317659789
>wasting Sullivan's training before 150% or so
C'mon son
>>317657747
Because it's better to judge something after experiencing it?
>>317652992
>an RPG where there's only one good character build
B L A C K I S L E
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V
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The temple of trials is fucking garbage and I hate it but god damn you guys are acting like it takes more than ten minutes to get through. I fucking killed everything with a spear when I tagged Small Guns, Speech, and Lockpick and the only advantage I had was lockpicking doors (not needed, you get explosives in jars if I remember correctly) and not having to fight the guy at the end.
Is he the issue? I never fought him so disregard that I suck cocks if he's the reason everyone hates this part.
>>317659709
fine. go be a prisoner in a medieval dungeon with thw beatings andvtorture. disease and privation. then run and jumpa bit aafter being freed. enjoy your poor diet and health causing you to die from it.
your character is basically fresh out of auschwitz.
I was making an assumption that the guy I replied to wasn't a 700 kg neckbeard fatty with lung cancer and could do reasonable activity. so u suggested an activity comparable to the proportion of activity you put a new character through in morrowind.
>game is an rpg
>wow i hate rpgs why can't this game be something else ya know like a first person shooter
>>317660214
No, anon you're the autist. People dont have 200 + hours to master this retarded point and click system, they want to play video games for entertainment, not like a rigourous chore.
Also, the story of FO2 is absolutely dogshit. Worse than Fo3.
>>317660214
Says the thin-skin fanboy getting triggered over his favorite vidya getting criticized.
>>317653770
The difference being dice rolls are unacceptable in an action game.
>>317660168
Yup. If Interplay had their way, there'd be weed in Fallout. There was also "smooch" in Van Buren which was the Fallout "don't get us in trouble it's not a real drug okay" version of weed.
>>317660304
Jeez, man, cool your shit. If you're so mad you're making that many mistakes on mobile you need to take a breather.
I just don't like being in an FP environment and missing something that's 2 inches away from my face, I'd rather not see how spectacularly I'm missing and imagine it from a 3rd person perspective, is all.
>>317652992
>put fuck all into a certain stat
>surprised when your character sucks at it
It's almost like you faggots have never played an actual RPG or something.
>>317660353
>"It is retarded in its premise, has a bullshit story and abhorrent mechanics but Its difficult and also Old, So it MUST be good !!! "
>>317659961
>no way to indicate
you mean other than the yellow bar right under the red and blue one? that one that steadily decreases as you do strenuous activity? and refills when you stop? and flashes with a red outline when is empty showing you just how fucked you are?
you mean that one? NOPE. NO UNDICATIONS HERE.
>>317660405
>200 hours
i did a blind playthrough of fallout 1 in like 24 hours and did just about every side quest
you're just a mong
>>317660506
>action game
>>317660272
The people who are complaining about it are acting like the ants and scorpions have 200 HP with AC 30. The guy at the end is barely harder than 3 ants.
>>317654036
run past them and talk your way past the man you retard
>>317660405
You have to be 18 or older than 18 to post on this site
>>317659087
>Free me and I will bathe in their leader's blood and feast on his hot, quivering flesh.
Fucking brutal.
>>317652992
>have 7 or more agility
>punch ant once or twice and run
>ant doesn't have enough AP to move to me and attack in one turn
>repeat until ant is dead
>alternatively just run past the ants
It's not hard to figure this out, I did this on a character with low strength and no points in melee/unarmed.
>>317660705
Yes, action game. All 3D Bethesda games are action games, some have a little RPG on it.
>>317660697
>I am a mega autist with no life and completed X game in X minutes, everyone who cant do so is a mong
Just kill yourself. The game's system is objectively dogshit.
Never understood the hatred for the initial temple in Fallout 2, like it literally takes 5 minutes to beat.
>>317660818
oh thought you meant fallout, as in 1/2
>>317652992
>10/10. game, best RPG of all time, totally better than Fallout 4.
I agree desu.
>>317660812
How can you not see that doing this all the time is boring as shit ? Not to mention the retarded shit like encountering rats while fast travel. holy shit the game is garbage.
Also
>put points in agi and mellee
>no points to spend in speech
>conversations are limited
The only thing the game did right was the music.
>>317660915
BUT MOOOOOOM, I DON'T WANT TO ADAPT
WHAT IS THIS GAY SHIT, I'M NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM OVERSIZED MUTANT ANTS
FUCKING NOSTALGIAFAGS
>>317660810
>deathclaws brutally murder all your opponents. turn and look at queen.
that'll do pig. that'll do.
>>317660810
The only thing that I always wanted was a Deathclaw companion.
How long is FO1 and FO2? I want to play them someday.
>>317659562
Arroyo is far as fuck away from SF. It takes literal weeks to get there. Trade/cultural diffusion don't happen in FO anymore because if a group of people has something good going for them, they are either going to hide forever like Arroyo or just fucking build a wall with guns like anyone else.
How hard is that to understand?
>literally live in huts
At least they built something to live in, instead of a roofless bombed out DC building
>wear togas and shit
They wear robes which THEY produced. that is LITERALLY more believable than a bunch of people walking around in dirty pre-war clothes, no matter which way you look at it.
I actually liked Fallout 1 much better than 2.
>People defending F2's garbage intro
Why? It was bad. You can accept that and still like the rest of Fallout 2, you don't need to cry over it you god damn babies.
FO2 is inferior compared to FO. Debate me.
ITT: No one who actually played Wasteland.
>>317660214
>someone is autistic enough to make things
Good thing for autists, right?
>>317661181
I'm sure there's mods for that for Fallout 4.
>>317661659
ITT no one actually encouraged Brian Fargo to found his own company
>>317660915
Is this one very dedicated troll that has been doing this for a couple of weeks now.
He used to post a picture of his char wit 3 action points, I see that he changed his strategy.
>>317660405
So people didn't have time years ago, retard?
I hate this retarded neo-/v/ logic.
>>317661246
Are you retarded ? you have written your post portraying that they are the first humans to evolve from primates. They had pre war ancestors, had history of the pre war times and also could speak english to communicate with the outsiders who definitely passed through those areas. They didn't have that tribal lifestyle because they had to, its because they CHOSE to , implying the writers thought it would be "cool" to have a village of tribals in 2100 just showing the fact they were retarded.
>>317661397
>>317661634
The gameplay improvements of 2 make it a better game, but Fallout 1 has the best atmosphere and feel in the entire series.
It's haunting and creepy. You can see the results of a nuclear apocalypse and hear stories about how it happened but never actually see it.
Fallout 1 is probably the scariest game I have ever played and it isn't even a horror game.
Just listen to the soundtrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot3T5ac_Dq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW3DTCIO5Zs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w-LZrSPs5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SefxmOv-88M
New Vegas uses the same tracks but of a different effect
this is the reason that games are handholding casual garbage now
i hope the market crashes soon and all the retarded normies return to facebook
>>317661634
>New Items to to the bottom of the inventory in FO1
>>317661496
>things to like in FO 2
>the music
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Literally nothing else.
>>317658146
Bullshit
Small Guns works for 90% of the game
Hunting Rifles + Sniper Rifles, even AK's, just aim for the eyes like in any Fallout game and watch as Supermutants with M2's get knocked out before being able to get into range
>>317657934
Wait, are you trying to roleplay a smart guy who doesn't punch things?
Then why the fuck are you fighting giant ants and scorpions? Aren't you supposed to be smart? Why wouldn't you just run past them? Isn't that was a smart person would do?
>>317662142
What's a few more clicks?
>>317662207
8===========================D
>>317654387
What do you think combat speed is you fucking doughnut.
>>317662392
>load everything into intelligence
>suddenly you can barely move because you're a fat fucking nerd
Smart.
>>317662084
That fucking Corridor of Revulsion.
>The hairs on the back of your neck rise. You feel something from the corridor ahead. The bile rises as you recognize the mass of flesh ahead - human parts in the wall itself. The worst part is that it is moving, calling to you.
>Your nose starts to bleed. You hear voices in your head. They are calling your name. Darkness washes over your eyes for a moment, but you recover.
>A voice calls to you. You turn you head and see the image of a forgotten friend, obviously dead. The worms fall from her rotted jaw as your headache grows.
>It is getting harder to move forward. Your foot seems bonded to the floor. You look down, and the flesh of the floor is crawling up your leg. Teeth gnaw at your knees. Still, your headache gets worse.
>Something catches your attention, a flash of movement from the ceiling, and then a sliver of bone pierces your eye! With it comes the thoughts of the dead and tortured!
>The pain in your head is maddening. You feel the sins of others wash over your soul. And it gets worse, as your sins answer them. Like madmen, they fight through your psyche, and in the process tear your personality apart.
>Your head is pulsing with the intrusive thoughts of others. The pain grows and grows. Suddenly, as if it never existed, the pain vanishes. You fall to the ground and weep. But something does not feel right.
>>317662419
>Retarded combat system
>WHAT IS LE COMBAT SPEED
Dont try to obfuscate shit
The amount of shitposting ITT is through the roof. Damn this place is a cesspool.
>>317657934
>literally punishes you
>you start with 50% in unarmed unless remove strength/agility or take gifted
The temple is shit, yes, but you're also a fucking idiot.
>>317662549
Holy shit.
>>317660915
Eeven actual retards aren't THIS much retarded. People are baiting like there is no tomorrow. This board is a joke.
>>317660036
You see anon, things like logic and specialization hinders "emergent gameplay" and freedom.
>>317664049
I can create the same image for people looking at FO 2 through nostalgia googles. Noone here defending FO2 has bought up compelling arguments, all they can whine about is
> HURR CASUAL
>HURR YOU MUST BE 18+ TO BE HERE
Because thats all they have to their defense.
>>317657934
It punishes you for being a retard. You don't have to fight shit in the temple.
>>317660036
Just because a game is difficult and extremely stifling in its playstyle doesnt make it good you faggot autist. You're one of the people who played it on the suggestion of others and suck Fo2 cock cuz you're unable to critique a game independently and simple spout conformist opinions.
>>317661067
Why would you put points in melee faggot? If you're not doing a melee build it's wasted points. Points spent on agility don't affect point you can put in speech retard. Also doing that once or twice to kill a couple ants and spending about 1 minute each time isn't that boring. It's a lot less boring than the tedious long opening tutorials in Bethesda's Fallout games.
>>317652992
You can kill all the ants and scorpions while taking no damage 100% of the time.
[SCIENCE 100%]You're an abomination of science, Giant Ant. You can't be an Arthropod; you deserve to die.
There, temple solved.
>>317652992
>old games are bad r-right guys?
i want neo-neo/v/ to leave and take reddit and neo-/v/ with you.
>>317653651
>you probably just have a shit character
this
>>317665118
>ANTS?
>SARCASTIC
>YES
>NO
Which do I pick?
>>317665242
>have scab thats trying to heal on my dick
>have to stop fapping
ARGHGGHGHGGHGHGH
>>317652992
>manage to fuck up my small guns 1 luck with like 1% crit chance build by actually picking Finesse
>would've literally breezed through it otherwise with 10 agi and 9 int
>takes more effort but still pass the game and have fun overcoming the handicap
Game punished you for fucking it up your character, I don't see what's the problem here? It's much more satisfying acknowledging your mistakes, learning from it and overcoming a challenge. Because besides being a medium for entertainment, it was once also a medium for challenging you in various ways.
And I know it's bait but in case anyone takes it seriously, for the underage and dudebros posting about
>Ey fag get a life nerd we ain't got 200+ hours
First of all, sorry that you're literally too stupid and need 200+ hours to understand what you're doing wrong and immediately blame the game mechanics. Second, if you want brainless handholding entertainment where you can be excused for every single possible fuckup you can make or never be assed to do or think about anything beyond a toddler's perception go play fallout 4 instead then :^)
>>317665637
That's really rather eloquently pathetic
>>317665242
Why post this ?
>best RPG of all time, totally better than Fallout 4.
You're right, it is a better RPG than 4.
>>317665801
i tried jerking and the thing just came off. Now its gota start again
>>317662084
I remember feeling unnerved at some point in 2, but it was so inconsequential and brief compared to the entire game/experience that I can't even remember where.
>10 strength
>10 Agility
>9 Intellect
>Unarmed
>Stealth
>Lockpicking
>Brute
literally faceroll the whole game without ever needing a single weapon of piece of armor.
>All these console niggers confused at the thought of a turn based CRPG
>>317660818
>a little rpg on it
>morrowind
Homie pick one.
>>317653651
To be fair. If you make a gun character the start of fallout 2 sucks dick because you miss so many hits
>>317655901
>that anon from the thread yesterday who wanted to do 1 agi and big weapons
>actively not trying to understand what the stats do before building a character
jeez just read a little nig
>>317666282
I'd say the aftermath of the Deathclaw colony was a pretty unhappy/shocking moment, especially since you spent all that time helping them out. It sucks that the game's vanilla state had all that content cut from them.
I do remember that FO2 went a little overboard with the jokes. While many were funny, they crowded out the serious moments too much.
>>317666290
You don't need 10 str, 4 to use most weapons and 6 to get max 10 once you get the power armor.
Agi is obviously the best stat, good AC, AP etc.
Really easy to get both the supersledge and power armor if you know what you're doing, I seriously hope you didn't choose stealth just for this.
stealth overall is pretty underwhelming, the level design isn't always built around it, especially in the main quest underground areas
lockpicking is only viable if you're not down to savescum, 75% will open most doors.
>>317666562
which is why they made unarmed particularly high for everyone
>>317661221
Fallout 1 is really short. Like 10 hours. I finished it in about 2 days. It's also easy as fuck.
Fallout 2 took me like 25 hours.
>>317666562
You don't have to actually fight anything in the first area of the game in 2.
>>317666290
>see deathclaw
>sneak up, hook kick in the legs
>deathclaw is injured
>walk away with remaining ap
>deathclaw limps toward me, can't reach.
>go stealth, end combat
>hook kick deathclaw in the face
>walk away
>death claw is my fucking bitch
>death claw confused as little brown blur breaks its fucking neck
>take out entire death claw nest without taking a single hit.
>>317661221
FO is smaller than the rest of the games, but my first playthrough was easily 25-30 hours.
FO2 is much larger, and I spent about 40 hours on it.
But in both those games you start to fuck around a lot looking for new shit, doing sidequests, and whatnot. The main quests are considerably shorter.
FO1 is a great game; I played it for the first time a few years ago and it was an extremely rewarding experience.
>>317666873
this loser needs a weapon and power armor over here.
go back to halo casual.
>>317652992
Fallout serie is just shit from 1 to 4. New Vegas is the only good game of the lot.
>people who wasted 150 + hours playing a clunky, un fun, boring piece of shit defending it with such zeolatry
Lmao@ your life autists.
(They will probably call me buzzwords like 'casual' and 'underage', but that wont change the fact that they wasted that time, and that they arent capable of independent thought).
>>317667350
>not equipping your followers with power armor and mega power fists
>not having a shit ton of followers from all that CHA you had spent on from putting only 6 in STR
>not passing the game by ramming every degenerate into the ground
it's like you hate fun
>>317667449
New vegas babby detected. Kil yourself obsidiandrone, NV was utter trash.
>>317667592
bad b8 desu
>people who lived through their entire decades old young adult life being told they're special snowflakes and now suddenly having trouble while confronted to make a simple but viable build for a clunky, un fun, boring piece of shit game
Lmao@ your life losers
(They will probably call me buzzwords like "hardcore" and "pretentious", but that wont change the fact that they wasted that time, and that they arent capable of independent thought)
>>317667592
Lol I bet you play tf2 or some shit
>>317667878
Its true though. All the FO2 fangays can claim is good about their precious "rpg" is the music and story, the music is definitely atmospheric and good, the story is decent.
The gameplay is retarded.
The mechanics are retarded.
The skill system is retarded.
>>317654304
>RPG
>cant play unless you play a certain way
>>317668038
>"rpg"
>"viable build"
Any build that isnt a combination of AGI and unarmed falls flat on its face in the first 10 minutes of the game.
This game is shit.
Early on pretty much it's all luck because you miss so fucking much just because you're not high enough level, in the middle it's pretty decent damage on either side is consistent, but then the end of the game is even worse once you get the Advanced Power Armor everything either does 0 damage or it crits you and pierces the armor for 700 damage and instantly kills you.
>>317668320
how does it feel to know that when I was 8 I was better than you at video games?
This is what /v/ has become.
It is truly a sad day.
>>317668320
Factually wrong. Lurk around in any fallout thread, even the newcomers to the genre are smarter than you. Like this is really sad if you're not baiting.
>>317652992
ABOO ITS NOT A SHITTY MODERNIZED SHOOTER
Yea seriously go fucking chop your goddamned fucking hands off, everything you fucking type makes absolutely no fucking sense and you serve no purpose but to further drive the human race into its own self destruction. Just do everyone a fucking favor and kill yourself you stupid fucking piece of shit.
>playing a game for the first time
>game expects me to know that half the skills are useless and that energy weapons won't be available till end game
>>317652992
>best RPG of all time, totally better than Fallout 4
fallout 4 isnt an rpg
I finished FO1 this morning and I can't wait to start 2. FO1 was kinda glitchy, though. Also, very little weapon variety. I had intended to go through the game going pistols/handguns only, but the strongest pistol in the game isn't very good. I only used it for fighting weaker things, but going up against super mutants I used that upgraded plasma rifle which is so much better than every other weapon in the game, holy fuck.
Also, I wasn't able to get the power armor because the Brotherhood of Steel glitched out and I wasn't able to get in. Cabbot stopped working properly.
JRPGs did turn based combat better than WRPGs.
Fite me.
>>317668882
FO1 is like a haze to me, I was shit and most things kill me then all of a sudden I get a plasma rifle and power armor and finish the game in like 10 minutes killing every thing in one shot.
What did I do right?
>>317668849
You're expected to use common sense. It's a post-apocalyptic setting where people are literally dying of starvation, it says so right in the beginning of the game, even if you tagged energy weapons you could still keep it as a tertiary option and make a good character.
Did you seriously expect to find laser guns right off the bat? Please explain this logic to me. In a world devastated by nukes, everyone is literally in fucking shit, and the first 10 or so areas you visit are literally filled with degenerates fucking each other over power or drugs. In what universe did you fucking expect energy weapons you dweeb? Common sense.
>>317668882
>FO1 was kinda glitchy, though
fallout 2 has even more glitches, make sure to save a lot on different slots
also small guns are much better in 2bonus rate of fire+double action boy+fast shot+sniper+gauss pistol is the greatest thing ever
Some people in this thread are retarded and some are huge nostalgia fags, obviously if you make a retard build and you always miss and do no damage that just means your shit, missing should only be a problem for the first 1 or 2 levels if you didn't fuck up your build, but RNG is dumb ass hell in this game the fact that pretty much any enemy with a higher tier gun than a pistol can get a crit that instant kills you no matter what armor you have is fucking stupid.
>>317669241
>any enemy with a higher tier gun than a pistol can get a crit that instant kills you no matter what armor you have is fucking stupid
>But mom! I picked 1-3 luck why is this happening to me????
I'm playing FO2 right now and having a blast.
The first town dragged a bit but I just finished business in Modoc and headed off towards Vault City, and I noticed how this game is slowly becoming more and more addictive.
Combat is more fun too ever since I got an Assault Rifle.
>tfw every single one of my followers has died so far, besides Goris
What am I doing wrong?
>>317669730
brining them with you is a death sentance
>>317652992
The problem is that the game was built to make sense, a lot of the things in the fallout 2 are tailored to fit within the described fictional universe, the jokes being the cherry on top. It's very straightforward, you want to hit stuff? Level the according skill and have the according special attribute. It's not rocket science guys.
Meanwhile you have these people coming in from newer games, that do not make sense, and have not been made to make sense but to provide mindless entertainment. Hence the disconnect and the majority of problems with the builds. The fault lies within yourselves, not within the intrinsic qualities of the game.
>>317669723
I think the biggest problem woth Fallout 2 is how much you'll encounter bullet sponges like Wanamingos or Floaters
>>317669197
My whole point is that the person has never played the game, therefore he doesn't know shit about whether energy weapons are a common thing or no. It's supposed to be sci-fi and you can assume that in a sci-fi world laser weapons are fairly common.
Just admit that in order to do anything in this game you must metagame. Even if you assume that energy weapons are rare, conventional weapons and ammo are also scarce which means that a gun build is also going to have trouble.
>>317669394
I had 6 luck, also I don't think your own luck effects enemy criticals but whatever
Honestly, the starting area for Fallout 2 fucking sucks. You get given a spear and are expected to deal with a bunch of ants and radscorpions even if you didn't even pick melee, whereas in FO1 you get given a gun, some ammo and a knife and other supplies so you get to choose and are just up against a few rats which you can easily bypass and run to the exit.
>>317668587
Congrats ! You're a confirmed autist.
>>317668752
No, YOU played the game better, YOU slogged through it and YOU made a huge effort to play it . Not everyone likes everything and is capable of everything. FO2 is objectively shit, no matter how much you defend it.
>>317660405
>People dont have 200 + hours to master this retarded point and click system
>tfw I played the first Fallout 3 months before FO4's release and didn't have any problem
I'm not surprised though, when I see how stupid some let'splayers can be. You probably can't read for shit and have a very short attention span.
>>317662503
You did it and seem to do okay
>>317669812
Dont project your autistic view on everyone you faggot. Dont pretend the combat system and level design is anything other than terrible.
>>317670298
And don't pretend the game is bad just because you suck ass at it.
>>317662549
I am genuinely not okay with reading this at 1am.
>>317670187
Congrats, you slogged through a mess of a game for its "story" and because people on the internet told you its "good", you probably read guides to it, became cognizant of the mechanics and skills beforehand, and basically contrived a very rigid playstyle to beat the game comfortably, all under the pretense of playing a "rpg". good job anon, you're one of the sheeple.
>>317665741
That's v for you.
>>317670454
I suck ass at it because its so terribly created. Come up with better arguments than "YOU SUCK LMAO".
>>317652992
this might be the worst bait i have ever seen.
>>317669895
You are actually, legitimately retarded.
Not two sentences in, I wrote that the game let's you know about the nature of it's state and universe and I quote again
>It's a post-apocalyptic setting where people are literally dying of starvation
They state this in the opening video.
They state this in fallout 1.
It's something you have to understand yourself if you use any semblance of a brain as to what happens when nukes destroy everything.
and then I specifically add on to it that even if you DIDN'T pay attention or think about that, the game excuses you for being a complete shit and lets you know about it when you get to the first city. By that point, you can still rethink your character.
>It's supposed to be sci-fi
>sci-fi
man... just
where do you even come from
even if you assume it's a sci-fi, jesus christ, don't ever say it out loud, please. Even if you assume that you still have to wonder that compared to simple pistols it must be pretty powerful, and powerful weaponry is always closely guarded technology, something you woulnd't be able to get your hands off right off the bat, like see, these are the things that determine what it means to have common sense, I haven't said anything that hasn't been really really basic shit you have to ask yourself when you read something
>Just admit that in order to do anything in this game you must metagame.
Of course you can metagame, but you don't have to in order to choose the proper skills or make a working build. Metagaming just helps you get shit done faster and make autistic min max builds, it's not an argument towards whether or not the game is viable for playthroughs only with it. And you're the one who needs to admit that they made a mistake, couldn't recover from it and now are blaming anything but that. Furthermore, you need to get some reading comprehension going on because you haven't paid attention to what I've said, possibly in the same way you didn't pay attention at the game.
>>317670614
god, lol'd so hard... why don't they make dialogue like that anymore?
>>317670761
If you can't enjoy the game because you don't like turned based combat then boo hoo for you, but some people like the game. It's not like you're going to change anyone's mind by posting your opinions on /v/ so why does everyone gotta fight?
>>317671070
to be fair, just having turn-based combat shouldn't make anyone say it's a bad game.
i personally don't like turn-based combat but i still love the game
>>317668882
>the strongest pistol in the game isn't very good
anon, the strongest pistol in the game is thealien blasterwhich is actually the strongest weapon in the entire game, and it doesn't have special ultra limited ammo either
>>317671031
>weapons are rare, conventional weapons and ammo are also scarce
Now this is what's pissing me off.
I had ammo bleeding out of my fucking ears and I was using an automatic and a rifle, because all I did was just manage my fucking shit and sell the shit I didn't need. Not rocket science, not even with high barter. Just really tedious but ultimately rewarding going from one trader to the other and jewing them out of caps, buying ammo and jewing other traders out of their caps. Basic fucking economy 101. If you can't figure this out, how are people supposed to take anything you say seriously.
>>317671278
I mean I just find it really stupid how people just "debate" video games and it's always just "YOUR GAMES SUCK" "NO YOURS DO" like someone is just gonna be like huh my games do suck thanks for showing me the light my friend. Just people enjoy your damn games, shit.
>>317670623
Take note, m80s.
This is level of mental gymnastics a sperg has to go through to convince himself he's not retarded.
>>317671070
Its ok if you like a style of combat which is extremely rigid and clunky. Just dont go and pretend its amazing and say its for everyone, while attacking anyone who criticizes it.
>>317660405
I got fallout when I was 7.
7. Motherfucker.
7 year old me was a god damn retard and I played the shit out of fallout just fine.
I'll come right out and say it: Anyone that find fallout confusing or "difficult" in the sense of mechanics doesn't deserve the computer they're using.
No seriously. Fuck off.
>>317670160
get a load of this hot opinion
>>317671565
I don't say it's for everyone. I don't say any game is for everyone because everyone is different, just people need to learn to not be so fucking sensitive. It's a game not their balls.
>>317671031
You are assuming I talk from my own experience which is not true because I played FO1 before FO2 so I knew what to expect. Except that in FO1 they at least give you a gun in the beginning. Here you are given a only a spear and are expected to go through a dungeon right off the bat. The game is pretty good but very unwelcoming and it requires you to play the first game or use a guide. IMO that's not good design.
>>317670160
>open game
>spend 2 minutes reading skill/stat/perks descriptions
>plan for around 2 more minutes what I want to do
>YOU slogged through
>YOU made a huge effort to play it
>huge effort
The extent of the huge effort was that I was conflicted when my armor was getting pierced and I had to figure out how to deal with it. That was the length of the mental gymnastics I ever went through to play this game, again sorry you're stupid, on the bright side you don't have to worry about being stupid for future game releases though, it won't be a problem at all considering the state of the industry and the catering it does.
>>317671590
Congrats gramps, but we have come a long way since you were 7 and FO was released. This is basically saying "BAck in my day kiddo ". Theres a reason why the turn based system was discarded for better styles. Dont just praise a game because you grew up with it.
if you really somehow suck at fo2 this bad I'd recommend you just look up how to get the powerarmor at the very beginning and then play the game like normal
>>317671985
> Theres a reason why the turn based system was discarded for better styles.
millennials fucking casuals
>>317670761
>I suck ass at it because its so terribly created
Nice argument
>>317671702
Have you seen the amount of cocksucking and fangayism for Fo2 and 1 ? Its ridiculous to the point of people being completely delusional about the games. The mechanics and level design are objectively bad yet people defend them like they are the holy bible.
>>317671985
>there's a reason why turned based system was discarded for better styles
Are you just talking about fallout?
>>317671057
voice over
if I like hatemoo/hellmoo will I like fallout 1 and 2? I never had the urge to try them for some reason
>>317671985
If you can't figure out why he mentioned his age in the post then you're on a whole other level there. I will enlighten you, just for the sake of keeping this discussion going, and since I actually feel mildly entertained by the benefit of the doubt of whether or not you're this much of an imbecile or baiting. It was to show the drastic difference between your mental capacity at your young adult age and his at a very young one, not to "praise the game because he grew up with it", in other words his mention of his age had nothing to do with sentimental attachment and everything with the difference in intellect and how he amusingly compared you slower than a 7 year old, to which I wholeheartedly agree.
>>317672224
Don't say objectively bad. That's your problem. You don't say "oh it's undeniable" or something similar when you're calling a game bad. It's still your opinion and no matter what someone some where will have an opposite opinion. Sure you might not agree with them but when you're throwing out words like "objectively bad" people might get a little more pissed off that way.
>>317671985
I'm on your side that FO2's Combat isn't very good. But fuck you man turn based has not been thrown out the window, there are plenty of games released even this year that have turn based system. Turn based isn't bad inherently, its only bad when there's a huge amount of RNG involved.
>>317671925
> again sorry you're stupid, on the bright side you don't have to worry about being stupid for future game releases though, it won't be a problem at all considering the state of the industry and the catering it does.
*tips fedora*
>>317672487
Do you think XCOM is bad? Just asking
>>317672529
Nicely done on disregarding the first half of the post, it's like you didn't know how to respond to an argument!
>>317672487
Fitting for a pillars pleb to support this mongoloid
>>317671985
If only some obscure 2012 turn based tactics game didn't sell in the millions and warrant an expansion pack and a sequel...
>>317672703
Pillars?
As in Pillars of Eternity?
It's not even turn based, the biggest flaw with the combat is that it's real time with pause.
>>317662549
Why hasn't something like the Master come about again? Is there really not more FEV goo for a randomdeterminednigger to fall into?
Fuck one of the best villains ever.
>Telling him his precious trophy-mutants are all sterile.
>>317671985
>some kid on /v/ is throwing basic core game mechanics out the window
I always knew this day would come. One day most of /v/ will agree with this little shit. I've already lingered here for too long.
FO2 is soooooooooooo boring. Dialogue is pretty good though, and lore is fun to know even if it got fucked up by FO3, bandaged together by NV and shit on again by FO4.
>>317660168
Play with the restoration mod and you get to grow weed in the EPA building.
>>317652992
>Door is locked
>>317670614
look, its OP.
>>317660168
>post apocalyptic world hundreds of years after the fall of civilization and some ignorant 'seer' in a hut thinks that smoking weed has some spiritual sight giving power
I feel like this isn't that ridiculous and is actually kind of clever, /v/ might just throw a fit because it happens to be a weed reference
>>317671985
>7 when FO came out
>1997
>"gramps"
>25 years old
this is a board for adults kiddo.
>>317672703
Was thinking more about Divinity actually, and Wasteland 2
>>317672559
I have never played XCOM desu
>>317672472
Fo2 combat
>skill particular skill for being better in combat, hindering other aspects
>lots of enemies taking turn based attacks on you, basically try to flee or fight if you have a huge amount of skill points in fighting
How is this good in any way ? There are so many RPG's which have the option of keeping combat to a minimum while enjoying other playthroughs, FO makes you deliberately involved in combat which is extremely vexing.
>>317673374
Well I feel it has more RNG involved than most Turn based games these days. I really liked it especially when I had a sniper who looked exactly like Hulk Hogan. Ending really crapped out though. Especially when the woman I choose had a mans voice..
>>317673414
All I'm saying is don't call your opinion fact because other people find your opinion shitty. People can enjoy their games and some people get touchy about their games. It's not your right nor your job to try and change their views on things
>>317671565
Fallout's system is not clunky. Its just not an FPS.
A game like NwN was clunky and rigid. Great game, but the criticisms you're leveling would at least be valid for it. But Fallout is a solid isometric turn based game mechanically. There's not a lot of shit hidden and the interface makes shit pretty clear, unlike some older games where shit in the system was hidden all the time.
Besides, you have the internet now to fill the holes in for you. If you don't have the ability/patience to make a respectable build just look one up. I'm sure there's plenty of builds that will make the game easy for you.
>>317673414
But in FO2 you CAN keep combat to a minimum by as you said, trying to flee, using the survival skill on the world map to avoid random encounters, and other shit.
>>317673543
I want to give it a try sometime, especially because of those aliens that infect you or something like that. But contrary to what /v/ thinks there are a shit ton of games to play right now so that might get pushed back to next summer which I think doesn't have any interesting releases and I hope to be done with DS3.
>>317671843
>it requires you to play the first game or use a guide. IMO that's not good design.
Mother fucker I played FO2 before 1, I was 10 years old and didn't even have internet and after about a half hour I was out of the first dungeon.
I genuinely don't understand how anyone had enough difficulty that they're still mad about it 17 years after it came out.
Ten years old, mother fucker. Ten. Years. Old.
>>317673818
I got it while it was cheap. Might go on sale this winter seeing as XCOM 2 isn't that far away. I would recommend it, just would recommend taking some starting tips. It's a lot easier getting your foot in the door in a certain area with certain upgrades than it is saving up your resources
>>317665295
Kek
>tfw just finished Fallout 1
>tfw people hyped it up so much
>tfw nearly all combat scenarios are just luck based
>tfw bland towns with the same generic "work for the good guys and kill the bad guys or work for bad guys and kill good guys" plot lines
>tfw it was just a big old disappointment
The story was kind of interesting and I liked the general atmosphere better than any of the next gen Fallouts but it's just so, so dated.
I'm going to be playing 2 next, which I hear is a lot better than 1 but I still think New Vegas is the best in the series. You have the 3D world and real time combat that removes the drudgery of turn based combat and praying for crits while still keeping elements of story and atmosphere that make it feel like a Fallout game.
>>317673414
>FO makes you deliberately involved in combat
Bullshit.
>>317673651
And this is why you're a fangay, deflecting all opinions of Fo2 while saying "you dont speak for everyone and aren't allowed to have an opinion of your own, whatever criticism you have on FO are your own critique and if you cant play it, its YOUR fault not the game's ". Just fuck off faggot, dont pretend to be a pacifist and try to have a civilized conversation when you're a deluded fuckkboi who cant accept any objective criticisms about your game.
>>317674116
>Going on speech and charisma route
>fast travel
>encounter radscorpions
>they knock me off and kill me
Level 1, just outside temple
>decide to find kids dog
>encounter gecko
>cant run away bacause lmao low ap, fuck you for putting points in charisma and strength
>geckos kill me
Please.
>>317674159
FYI fallout 2 was great and im not even that other guy. i enjoyed the combat, the lore, the dialogue,graphics, you name it.
prove me wrong
>>317674159
I've played 36 minutes of fallout 2... dude I'm not even standing up for fallout 2 i'm standing up for peoples opinions. I didn't even say you can't have your own opinions. I said you can't call your opinions facts because they are two completely separate things. I don't even know what happened here, Did i get trolled here? Guys help did i get trolled?
>>317674159
You being unable to figure out the game that 7 and 10 year olds do does not make it bad, it makes you a retard.
Yes FO2's intro is heavily, heavily flawed.
First of all, ofc the usual player will level firearms first, cause it's basically the skill where you can't fucking go wrong. OH EXCEPT YOU CAN.
Cause the first dungeon, when playing like a normal first timer who is trying to figure shit out, would quickly realize that you gotta have melee weapons skilled just to get through in any normal manner.
"B-b-but you can just run through!"
Who the fuck knows to do that when they first play??
>>317674458
um, i've never put a single point in melee/unarmed in fallout 2, always killed every enemy in the temple and 0 problems.
also never played it on easy either, so the real question is, how retarded do you have to be to not be able to get through it? i mean seriously, i don't even understand how someone can fail, do people literally run around their opponents,wasting their APs ?
>>317674361
>low Outdoorsman skill
>get ambushed
Gee, I fucking wonder how?
>low armor class, endurance
>get instarekt in combat
Gee, I fucking wonder how?
>cant run away bacause lmao low ap
bull fucking shit. Fastest melee attacks require 3ap, even if you have the minimal 6 ap and the gecko has 10, you only need to be farther than 2 hexes away from it to just run the fuck away and exit the area without it ever attacking you.
>>317674458
No one KNOWS to do anything the first time they play anything, the whole concept of a video game is that if you aren't retarded you can figure it out.
>>317674361
Those are not the game deliberately forcing you into combat. Those are the consequences of choosing the skills you chose. There is a difference. They don't put you in a locked room that will only unlock when you defeat the enemy.
Try putting some points into Survival and Agility next time instead of going full retard and maxing out Speech as fast as possible.
>>317674458
This was my character from playing fallout 2 the first time ever. Got through the intro pretty smoothly too. Just check the pots for healing powder and you'll be okay mostly.
>>317674390
Haven't touched it since though not cuz it's a bad game just cuz I have short term memory and i always forget what I was doing.
>>317674390
He's either a retarded autist or you are getting trolled. Either way just stop trying to talk to him.
Have mods succeeded FO4 yet, or is it still to early.
>>317672873
I'm feeling it too, man. Newfags can't remember a time before /pol/, shitpost on every board like everything's /b/, and most likely had a 360 as a first console (poorfags notwithstanding, my condolences). Hell, I didn't even post until a month of lurking when I first came here. Now people don't even capitalize or use correct grammar and tell me to fuck off to what is most likely their home site.
>>317652992
My first time was similar to that. I then restarted with a full combat build. It made it harder for certain parts but that's the price you pay. After I finished that play through I understood the game more and I made a more balanced character I refined through the game
What the ?
OP you fucking retard here's how you do it. You come near the ant to initiate combat, the ant comes to you but doesn't have enough ap left to attack. So you equip the spear, try to jab it, then you'll have at least 2 ap left if you weren't a retard, so you use those 2 ap to move away, causing the ant to waste it's ap again just walking to you, and it won't be able to attack you again
OR you can just run away from it and go for the exit
OR you could try using the sneak skill
>>317652992
Holy shit. I hope it's a bait
You can run past them. Sneak. Hit with your bare hands or something.
>one guy calling everyone who points out flaws in his favowit game retarded
Ha ha ha.
>>317674390
>peoples opinions
More than half of the people who are here say the combat is bad. Are you going to dismiss them too you faggot ? or will you man up and accept the fact that most people find the combat extremely dull and annoying ?
>>317674381
ok.
>>317674429
>hurr I dont like your opinions, you must be a le retard
kill yourself autist.
>>317652992
OP s a fucking faggot casual and is ruining the gaming industry
>>317675059
I'm not dismissing them. I'm saying OPINIONS AREN'T FACTS Jesus you people need to buy a dictionary. I really don't care about fallout 2 in the silghtest. It ain't even my favorite game. Hell it ain't even in my top twenty games. I just am saying that people need to enjoy their damn games and let people enjoy the games they want to enjoy.
I'm glad that more people are playing the earlier fallouts again, but damn it's just a reminder of how video games have spoiled the modern audience.
Whatever you do, avoid the FOnlines. It's a slippery slope.
>>317675241
They finally got around to making that? Or is that one of those weird unofficial things
>>317674619
So you're basically saying 'Put points in THESE skills or you cant enjoy the game at all'. Fuck your shitty game.
>>317675075
You should light yourself on fire for saying shit like that, t.b.h.
>>317675345
>t.b.h.
What did he mean by this?
>>317675316
Weird unofficial things. There are a bunch of them, I actually help dev on one but we took the server down while we're making some big changes.
It's best to avoid them entirely, though.
>>317675345
I'm sorry if you can't figure out the way to balance your SURVIVAL skills in the fucking WASTELAND, why are you even playing the post-apocalyptic SURVIVAL rpg? Did you read what was written on the cover?I know you're trolling but I just love talking about isometric Fallout titles
>>317675416
Alien scripture not known to us. We must decrypt it
>>317673762
But anon, the game should have easy as the default difficulty, you should romance a deathclaw, and you should be able to complete the game without thinking or utilizing any of this rpg nonsense.
Fucking teens, I emulated lotsa snes and ps1 games and early pc games cause I was a poorfag in 2006-8 and I loved these kinda games. I didn't play Super Metroid until I was 16, or Fallout 1for that matter. Same with System Shock 2 and other classics. The gameplay is great despite modern graphics or mechanics, grows some hair on your chest. Teaches you to not be a retard when you aren't hand-held and makes you think outside the box.
>>317675496
To be honest I would love stupid ass shit like that mainly cuz I suck at older fallout games. As long as nothing gets too spammy and shit I can kinda have a chuckle
>>317675345
he is just saying, if you don't wanna be ambushed put a few points on outdoorsman or suffer the consequences
if you really wanna to role-play as someone that lack those basic abilities to survive on the wasteland, be ready to die. cope with it, and quit complaining
>>317675225
Are you retarded ? Are you implying there are some ' written in stone ' facts on every game ? Just so you know, there aren't. But there are genuine arguments against games which are accepted by the community at large, like saying 'fallout's combat and mechanics are exasperating '.
>>317675752
No one needs to base their opinions on games off of the opinions of others and no one needs to feel shame for enjoying games they enjoy. You dumbasses are literally avoiding every point i'm making. Help am I being trolled again. Guys please.
>>317675505
>>317675674
And i'm saying, its exactly shit like this which makes it a trash game, you HAVE to adopt a certain playstyle to barely play it. There are tons of RPG's where you dont have to and they have elaborate means of dealing with situations like these.
FO nostalgia threads always end in shitflinging, I swear to god.
Its a mediocre game that came out in the midst of heavy hitters for video games in 1997 and paled in comparison to them
Gameplay has aged horribly
Story is passable and setting was creative
Its nothing worth arguing anything about anymore
>>317675345
Nigga, it's a ROLE PLAYING GAME. The role-playing comes from the fact that you put points into certain shit other than different shit. You aren't supposed to be able to master every single thing, that would make the point of role-playing moot.
Fucking teens, son. How does it feel that my 20s ass can get impressionable teens by offering alcohol and weed that I get legally and easily? I used to hate, now I do the same shit. Fuck bitches my age, teens get impressed easily.
>>317676039
So you're basicallysaying all games are flawless and perfect in the eyes of the people who CONSIDER them perfect, and this perfection isn't sullied by opinions of people who don't regard them as perfect. I think I am being the one trolled here by the rhetoric spouting faggot.
>>317676105
No you don't. You just have to have a MINIMUM of certain skills to SURVIVE in a DEADLY WASTELAND. I'm sure your charismatic trader with a heart of gold was deeply moved and full of profound thoughts when he was being digested by radscorpions.
>>317676445
>play non turn based game
>encounter unkillable foe
>just run away
FO2
>encounter unkillable foe
>try to run away
>LMAO NO AP
>use stealth boy
>They see right through it and kill me
>There are people that don't like turn-based combat
>>317652992
Why the hell aren't you running away from them or sneaking?
There are always another option u know?
>>317676105
you don't have to adopt any certain playstyle
you can do a run without spending a single point on outdoorsman
got ambushed? kill everything using any means you like unarmed/melee/guns/throw-ables, run away or you know, put like 20/30% on outdoorsman and evade at least half of those encounters, the other half you can evade
>>317676395
If someone wants to call Fallout 2 perfect then they are well within their right. It's assholes like you that always stir the pot and piss on people's opinions. It's almost like you want people to hate themselves for enjoying fallout 2 seeing as how much you're trying to shit on it. Would you like them to commit seppuku, anon?
>>317676608
>LMAO NO AP
We've already been through this. Try something new.
>>317652992
Post em
>>317676608
may I ask what you're doing in such high level areas? the only enemies that should be able to kill you at such a low level while running away are the Enclave, mercenaries ant thugs constantly miss and Geckos and Wanamingos always have a hard time catching up to you
>>317676395
No one who has played the original Fallouts claims that they are perfect, the argument is that they aren't stupid just cause some kid can't read and expects hand-holding.
I don't like bbc up my ass, but I don't strive to go to a gay forum and say the people are heathens and will burn in hell and act like my opinions are fact. That's kid shit. Either discuss gameplay on its merits, or simple don't post in the thread. You come off as an attention whore otherwise.
>>317668248
Pretty realistic if you make someone retarded.
you might bitch and whine about it, but IRL if you didn't have those combat skills or speech skills or whatever makes you good at what you do, because you built
Like a fucking moron
Guess what? You're going to get punished for it. Expecting everything to work without effort isn't a fucking roleplay game, it's childsplay happy imaginationland.
>>317676608
>FO2
>>encounter unkillable foe
>>try to run away
>>LMAO NO AP
your fault, that you chose to role-play as a cripple, kill it, talk your way through or evade then
>>317654569
Of course! I should be able to max whatever I want and be able to win!
>>317676897
This isn't a gay bbc forum though. It's /v/. Where everyone trolls each other.
At some point, the word 'troll' became blaise. People stopped using it, and ruse, and whatever came next. But it still describes most of your interactions on /v/.
>>317676991
can you actually convince enemies during encounter to leave you alone?
>>317677085
more like "where shitty trolls attempt trolling but fail miserably"
>>317677149
on a few ones, yes
anyway were is all those points that you took from AGI, they gonna save your ass right?
>>317677248
>298 replies later
>Try to do the FO1 Gun Runner Deathclaw quest at a low level
>They beat my ass super hard
>Kill Vance and take his stock of Psycho
>Deathclaws go from dealing 20+ damage a hit to 2 damage a hit
>>317676773
>>317676897
That doesnt mean that the people who like fallout are the only ones allowed to have an opinion on it and the valid opinions of FO dislikers are instantly labelled 'trash/casual/underage'. You're enabling Fanboy zealotry more than creating a proper environment for discussing vidya by giving them this faux authority.
>>317676897
Check the op faggot, its a FO bashing thread. You're the one in the wrong thread, getting riled up. you should listen to your opinion and stay the fuck away from threads like these you faggot cocksucker.
>>317670160
>FO2 is objectively shit
>No objective facts given
>>317677398
>valid opinions of FO dislikers
Proven wrong multiple times ITT.
But you're not even replying to those posts senpai :3
>>317677375
This is the worst sin of bethesdas scaled enemies.
There's no fucking reward to it at all. I am swimming in chems in FO4 and even if I somehow ran out (I haven't) and couldn't afford to buy more (I have only purchased "legendary" items which are basically trash loot with a gimmick and have 5000 caps before I stopped caring) then I CAN JUST CRAFT SHITTONS OF CHEMS FROM RANDOM GARBAGE I PICK UP.
Okay
Well
That'd be pretty OP right?
Wrong. Leveled enemies mean they're always the same challenge.None at all.So there's no reason to use chems except during a once in a blue moon scenario.
>>317676105
>you have to adopt a certain playstyle to play a specific genre of game
Wew, lad, do you get mad you can't play RTS games in first person too?
>>317676105
>can´t survive the deadly wasteland if you just dick around
>shit RPG why do I die to anything
>DEADLY WASTELAND
>>317677576
>opinions proven wrong
That doesn't explain why everyone who recommends fallout always mentions its dated and bad in combat, but good for the story and quests.
>>317677398
I wasn't saying the only people who like fallout are the only ones who get the valid opinions. If you read my fucking posts then maybe you could understand what I was saying. Opinions go for both sides and the argument started when fallout 2 was called "objectively bad." That is false because someone is always going to think the exact opposite. If you think fallout 2 is bad. Congrats on your opinion, but don't expect other people to be changing their opinions because you said so.
>>317677740
>everyone who recommends fallout always mentions its dated and bad in combat
No they don´t.
>>317677740
I wouldn't say it's bad in combat. Certain more exotic combat skills like explosives or thrown weapons are pretty useless, that's true. Encounter design also doesn't lend itself well to sneaking.
But shotting stuff, hitting it with your hands or bashing it with a sledgehammer works well and feels great, as long as you know what you're doing and build your character properly.
>people defending the temple of trails
it's fucking shit, and a blight on an otherwise great game
>>317677932
Why though? I don't understand what was so bad about it. I played through it for the first time and I didn't die or really struggle at all
see>>317674738
For my character stats.
So you want to play an RPG, but you dislike it when a game has RPG gameplay? That's ridiculous- You don't have to fight the damn Ants, moron. It's sad when you're so used to streamlined first-person shooter gameplay, that you can't appreciate actual RPG game mechanics from the roots of the franchise.
What has happened to this place. I want to believe it's shitposting, but part of me thinks it's all real.
>>317678130
You buy a game with a power armored dude on the cover and expect some futuristic stuff, yet you're presented with spear-chucking tribals. And please don't give me the usual bullshit, hitting giant ants with a spear sucks ass compared to shooting rats with 10mm at the start of F1.
>>317678247
Even if it's shitposting here, it's real somewhere. that's how I always took that ironic "how can you like this game because x" crap
git gud holy shit
>>317678130
The design is boring, the enemies are boring and it drags on and on, way overstaying its welcome. Compare that to FO1's rat cave, which lets you blast rats with 10mm rounds right off the bat and dumps you into the great outdoors after mere minutes
>>317678320
That's the biggest problem is that the guy had power armor on the front cover? You didn't even get power armor till the near end of fallout 1 were you disappointed then too? I mean why would you want to be a bad ass from the start and instead work on it from the bottom to the top
>>317678130
Because it's designed as nothing more than series of shitty fights and shitty puzzles that is a chore, regardless of your build. Certain builds simply make it less of a chore.
And really makes no sense from a lore stand-point but only nerds care about that.
>Trying to play tactics
>Again
>If I play in real time, everything moves too fast to keep up with it, and all my guys have reaction times measured in centuries
>If I play turn based, I have to choose between running five steps or gamble on a percent to hit chance that only mildly improves when I put the barrel of the gun on the raider's forehead
Does this ever get better.
>>317677786
And again, you are shifting goalposts and spouting rhetoric. If most people say its bad, it certainly has an element of truth to it, but people like you are working hard to dismiss their opinions in favor of the people who stand on the other side of the arguments. I can say that the graphics of the original pong are dated but NO, ITS YOUR OPINION AND YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO STATE IT.
As I said, you are insinuating that the people who espouse certain opinions are the ones who are right and should be left alone by the people who dont like them. Well, its akin to saying, necrophiliacs should be free to fuck dead bodies and their opinions will be held as the truth because if THEY are enjoying it, it MUST be right !!!
>>317677398
You can hate something and bash it based on objective shit, son. What you're doing is akin to going for an easy troll post to get people riled up and give you attention. You don't actually want to discuss the game, cause you don't take objective facts into consideration on your opinions.
You can say the rng crit shit is bullshit, or many skills are contrived to give an air of BUILD WHATEVER, or excessive clicking gets annoying. That would be valid shit. You are just saying it's shit cause you can't connect with an old game cause you're used to modern conveniences and want attention.
Grow up and discuss shit, not throw a tantrum.
>You must be over 18 years old to post here
>>317678685
it does, as you level up
for start i kinda of cheated, turned on real time, to run up to the enemies avoiding most of fire (due those reaction times you said)
then turned back to turn based, now up close with a good chance to hit
after a few missions i got enough skill to have good hit chance from afar to play entirely on turn based
>>317678465
I expected futuristic themes, yet was presented with a boring poorly designed dungeon and retarded tribals.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game, but it's start was clearly a mistake, most of guys I know who played it arrived to the same conclusion.
>>317678713
You clearly havent read the original arguments then. I said the combat and level design were shit, WHICH THEY ARE. They evolved into a massive shitflinging fest as norm here.
>>317678713
>excessive clicking gets annoying
it can be partially solved RTFM tho
I really hate what they done in FO2 after first one. It was literally Borderlands of its time. Killed whole dark and grim atmosphere for le so funny pop culture jokes.
>>317678697
You are such a pain to deal with. You can spout your opinion as much as you want, son. The problem you you and the people in these threads is comparable to "Pray the gay away" You don't change someone because you don't like what they like. You don't have to enjoy what someone enjoys and you don't piss on what they enjoy either. When you compare it to real life laws though you're just getting into retarded comparisons to make my statements look bad. I've only ever meant opinions on video games and that's all I've said but if you wanna fuck a dead corpse. Go ahead bro it's your right ;^)
+700 hours playtime in HS and into college
The story telling and quest elements in FO1 and to some extent FO2 are god tier. Not perfect but still 100% better than FO3. NV was an improvement. Havent played 4 yet
>>317679107
Nice super famicom setup.
>>317678895
Well i mean I knew the lore going in so maybe that's why i wasn't mad. Then again I'm a nerd because I like immersion and semi-relatiable realism in my games
>>317678976
>combat and level design were shit
Still waiting for some evidence on this claim.
>>317655597
I'd contain that.
>>317662278
>>317658146
So hypothetically speaking, if I was considering re-downloading and restarting, what should I build my character/party like?
>>317678697
Who's opinions should you trust more, some kid who dropped the game or some guys who played the game multiple times and know the mechanics better than you? I see just as many posts bashing the games cause 'muh nostalgia goggles' as posts that explain shit so you can enjoy it as it was meant to be enjoyed.
It's like going to a foreign country and calling it shit cause you can't understand anything and don't know any great local places. Also, fuck your necrophilia analogy, this ain't a fetish thread so it's apples to oranges.
I used to think posts like yours were trolling, now I'm saddened cause that's more often the exception. 5 years, and we'll have more casuals.
>>317652992
>>317653467
Stop being butthurt plebs, I've beaten all fallouts unarmed.
>>317679134
4 is 3.5
Improved gunplay and graphics, regressed everywhere else.
>>317660081
So how do you play other video games?
Do you not use the mouse?
What can you play with only the keyboard? Like, star control 2, and... pong?
>>317653770
Diceroll combat in fo is fine because the game doesn't give the player direct control of where they swing. Diceroll combat in morrowind is shit because it does, and the simulated misses don't need to be simulated anymore. It would be like fo having your bullet hit the enemy and still count as a miss because you failed a guns level check. Makes sense in old fo but not when you aim yourself.
>>317679357
five years and /v/ will be just constant fallout bickering.
I am so sorry that you genuinely could not figure out a way to navigate a room based on what skills you had.The first time I played I died in the first room thinking "huh why is this so difficult?" then tried thinking "ok what would I actually do If I were in a dark room with giant insects and was told to get to the other side?" The game was a lot of fun after that.
>>317679409
>"why make dialoge options the player might not choose?
Fucking fuck
>>317679409
BRB playing wasteland 2 directors cut
>>317679615
was that their excuse? I always made multiple saves and always chose multiple dialogue options.
>>317679615
It's great if you treat it as single player loot simulator 2277
>>317679315
yourself - small guns, energy weapons, science
sniper - small guns, sneak, lockpick
medic - small guns, first aid, doctor
heavy weapons guy - small guns, big guns
engineer - small guns, driving, repair
support - energy weapons, barter, explosives
Small guns stay viable to the end of the game with gauss weapons. Big guns lose their effectiveness rapidly and the only late game option is 50cal which is heavy and ammo rare and expensive as fuck. Energy weapons are required if you want to deal reliable damage to anything in the game but they don't even appear until the late 3rd of the game. Driving and repair are needed for vehicle segments. Sneak, lockpick, science and explosives are needed for exploration. Barter is a must cause late game gear like power armor is crazy expensive.
>>317679315
I usually go Small Guns -> Energy on my squad leader, keeping Farsight and Stitch all the way through because I'm a boring motherfucker (unless I have enough Charisma to get that one really good medic guy after mission 2 or so).
Farsight stays with Small Guns all the way through, and the medic gets a shotgun because you don't really need weapon skills worth shit if you're just hanging out behind a corner with the burst-fire mode enabled and waiting for some poor bastard to try and charge you. Everybody else moves to Big Guns and/or Energy eventually.
AK-47s are great and they'll carry you for like half the game.
>>317676938
>wanting video games to be realistic
How boring are you.
>>317679126
Do you get tired of saying the same shit over and over again ? You are spouting the same stupid opinions on repeat, and this is the final reply you're gonna get from me.
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ENJOYS IT DOESNT MEAN ITS CORRECT
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS FO GRAPHICS ARE AWESOME DONT MAKE THEM AWESOME
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS FO IS A TERRIFIC GAME DOESNT MAKE FO A TERRIFIC GAME
JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE IS A NECROPHILIAC DOESNT MEAN THAT ITS RIGHT TO FUCK DEAD BODIES
> The problem you you and the people in these threads is comparable to "Pray the gay away" You don't change someone because you don't like what they like
THE POINT OF THESE THREADS ISN'T PERSUADING FANGAYS TO HATE FO, ITS EXPOSING THE ABSOLUTELY MEDIOCRE QUALITY OF THEIR DIVINE GAME AND THE FACT THAT ITS NOT SOME VERITABLE PINNACLE OF GAMING
Jesus christ, kill yourself.
>>317676871
what armor
>>317679916
I want video games to be realistic but not because I don't want my pee-shooter to make limbs explode but because I want to be able to relate to the game. Maybe I just want a little more realism in my Bethesda sandbox and want to be able to feel like my character. I honestly don't know anymore.
>>317680064
Now that the troll is gone who wants to talk about video games :^)
>>317652992
>build a character who isnt good in melee
>decide to take on a horde of giant radiation filled ants
>>317680246
worse thing is your starting melee is 50% as long as you don't fuck with your special or your perks. I mean you don't do great but you aren't exactly mr.spaghettiarms
>>317678976
Why were they shit? Cause you seem like a little bitch, honestly. The gameplay is solid cause you get what you invest in, if you choose unconventional builds be ready to git gud and think outside the box. Most aren't impossible, like other posters have said. You can't bitch about the graphics cause you can't seriously expect an hd experience on a 90s sprite game, the ui is usable, and if children could beat this on crt's then so can you. Level design is alright, you shouldn't be able to walk easily into a final dungeon and beat the game at lvl 1, might as well play Gone Home at that point. You should be challenged and have the tools to overcome those challenges. You would be right if this wasn't the case, but again, if children can beat this so can you. Stop being a casual.
Your mindset is the reason Bioshock is shit, instead of a proper spiritual sequel to System Shock 2. Streamlining and easier gameplay couple with less complexity fucked it up.
>>317680064
>ITS EXPOSING THE ABSOLUTELY MEDIOCRE QUALITY OF THEIR DIVINE GAME
You woke up mad because no one agrees with your stupid opinions, we get it. Just go back to cod if you don't like rpg's.
>>317679357
I will trust the opinions from a neutral perspective the most over some elite fangay who has slogged away 300+ hours in FO.
And the OP's perspective is very neutral, you DO miss your attacks and the COMBAT IS SHITTY.
>It's like going to a foreign country and cal
So If you want an opinion on islam, you will accept the opinion of a muslim extremist rather than a moderate/ non practising muslim ? You're contradicting yourself.
>>317652992
>doesn't build a combat character
>whines about being shitty at combat
Okay?
>>317680447
>moderate non practicing muslim
He's not a muslim then. Your analogy is shit. You can bypass the temple of trials without hitting anything and talking the guy out of engaging you in combat at the end. End of story.
>>317680447
Because any opinion of someone who's basing the game's quality on their retarded handling of the first 3 minutes of the game is a neutral opinion.
>>317679861
>>317679849
Thanks, m80s. I think I"ll be giving it a shot sometime.
Any mods or patches for it I gotta grab? Widescreen or something?Any stats I HAVE to have in a build to not get fucked up? Or random encounters I gotta see? I hear you can get the Vault Boy?
>>317660168
hol up, hol up.
so you sayin' the elder had a .44 magnum and she sent me out into the unforgiving wastes with a sharp stick to save my village with?
>>317680064
You made me do it
http://strawpoll.me/6087917
so you guys hate on Fallout 1/2 now?
welp, time for me to leave this shithole once and for all.
>>317680763
>voted NV
>Losing 3:1 to 1
I don't agree, but I understand. I can live with this.
>>317680763
Only picked fallout 1 because that's the game i've beaten. i wouldn't know much about fallout 2 but I do know it has better INT 1 dialogue for a giggle
>>317680762
that was probably the only gun in the whole village. I doubt she was going to give it to the potential village idiot
>>317680985
It's teens though. Don't tell me you're getting btfo by teens, son. Just do what I do: bang impressionable teens with alcohol and weed to get back at these teens. Make you feel better, and pisses them off.
>>317680763
>writing and storytelling
>people are literally this stupid at discerning posts
Nobody is criticizing FO2's story, its the gameplay thats shit.(Also, if you spend so less time on developing playable game mechanics, you better have a good story, which is exactly what FO2 did)
>>317652992
I replay FO2 every year or so, but the first couple of hours of the game are the shittest opening to an game ever it is true.
/v/ just won't acknowledge that the fallout series has always been slightly broken games redeemed by a fucking great setting. In a few years /v/ will be raving about 4 and hating on fallout 7.
>>317681484
I will give that one the new ones have a clear advantage in the graphics department and even as I played the shit out of the old ones i always thought in the back of my mind "I cant wait till a 3d sequel"
WHen I finally got it? complete disappointment.
When you play a series specifically for its GOOD writing and depth a shooty bang bang clone with a garrish backdrop is going to be a bummer to say the least
>>317681735
is she ok?
>>317655798
> Turn up combat speed
> 56,000 civilians have their turn running around
> 46 slavers take their turn
> Still takes an hour.
New Reno was a complete ball ache.
>>317657002
> Waiting for the car to go for power armour.
What a scrub
>>317681676
That's only because standards and expectations for new games are in constant decline.
>>317681484
I criticize the story - interplay and kek avellone almost ruined the series with memes and an overburdence of inter-town politics.
You can tell they really just want to make a civilization game with monty python references.
In my mind FO3 went some way to bring it back in line with 1.
>>317681783
Hey faggot, video games are a combination of writing and executing accompanying visual graphics. If you want a deep story, read a book.
>>317681985
They're just changing, people now expect millions spent on incredible graphics and acting, but aren't as focused on gameplay depth.
I'd say there is a higher burden on developers today than in the past because of this. The balance should be more in the middle, but I didn't get fallout 4 because i dont have a good enough computer, but went and watched parts of it and I was really impressed by the story and world - so i think the graphical hit is ok.
>>317682076
I love politics, but I can understand why other people don't.
That said I agree with you that their obsession with pop-culture bullshit is absurd. I actually really enjoyed NV's 'wild-wasteland' trait, essentially a "Do you want inanity or would you like to just play the fucking game?" option.
>>317682162
>I shouldnt expect a newer game to have good story and gameplay
Fo3 was a steaming pile. If steam refunds were around back then you bet your ass I would have gotten one
>>317660632
>using the "old" argument again
>>317679315
I found the full image if you are interested friend.
>>317666290
I'd love to see you handle your village rival when he shows up in enclave power armor and has a plasma rifle. Kek
>>317682408
Some politics is fine and necessary in an RPG, but both 2 and NV are really weighed down by it, there isn't much accompanying philosophy or ideological war, it's always just trivial logistics and who owes what to who.
Vault City was as good as the politics ever got i think.
I get that some people like it and although I didn't actually enjoy NV much, i get that its purely taste. But I don't think its true to the series, 1 was never so involved.
Anyway yeah wild wasteland was a great idea - NV had great mechanics, the best the series has ever had - I just never got into the setting.
>>317682436
Fo3 was the first to make transition to a non isometric RPG, and it did fantastically at that. Give Fo3 some slack, apart from the main mission and some retarded aspects of combat, Fo3 was stellar in its side quests and atmosphere.
Anons, if hypothetically someone were to actually sit down and make another Fallout game (unlicensed of course) using the old F2 engine, would you lay it?
I am toying with the idea of a follow up to NV set in Legion territory.
I love the idea of seeing the Legion in Isometric, though I would have to generate the graphics for them somehow.
>>317681821
Yes.
>>317682829
It did it. I mean I wouldn't call it fantastic but it did it I will give the game that.
>>317682937
Nope. If i wanted to play age of empires I would.
>>317682574
That's Asuka Shikinami, goddamn it. Sohryu never had an eyepatch
>>317683114
Well Sohryu did get stabbed in the eye
>>317682829
Most people think FO3 was a rally good game, including most people who actually played 1 onwards.
Don't listen to /v/'s neckbeards who have played 3 and NV and can't fantasize as much about wearing a trillby in the strip in 3 so complain.
>>317682829
In general the issue people have with F3, is that its setting didn't make sense for the time frame they put in it. If it was like 50 years after the bombs then no worries, make sense.
But instead it is set after F2, and by that point anything of value should have been scavenged in the Capital Wasteland. And they should have some proper towns if not cities. Or at least more civilization that what was present. Ditto F4.
I can live with both if they didn't rape the existing lore, and were internally consistent.
This is the divide between new and old fans of Fallout. The old fans like myself prefer F1/2/NV because they feel like the setting we know and expect. Where as F3/4 feels more akin to say Stalker in its foraging and what not.
Neither is wrong, they are just different. I enjoyed F3, but not for the right reasons. And prefer NV due to its setting, or its attempted adherence to the setting at least.
If the Beth games were some spin-offs I would have less issue with them existing as they currently stand. But instead we have this weird reversal where the newer core Fallouts don't adhere to the setting and core idea of the original games, but the spin-off does.
>>317683114
I didn't draw it friend. I just found it and touched myself inappropriately to it. And thought others may wish to do the same.
>>317683395
I know, but I imagine the artist just used it as a shitty cash in on something popular, without knowing the source material
>>317683278
True, but just don't think about the timeframe/ pretend it wasn't as late. I guess the reason they put it so late was to allow for the BoS to have travelled over and established themselves and so vault 101 could have been sealed for a cool sound bite amount of time.
In turn DC was nuked hard and the 87 mutants are much more vicious, keeping it more of a wasteland.
Still no excuse for all the food lying around though.
>>317683278
>cities
Megaton, Rivet, Underground, the capitol, Brotherhood areas, Enclave bases.
>>317683678
> In b4 they're tiny.
In 2 the cities were much smaller than they were really meant to be lorewise. It just doesn't make much gameplay sense to have half you map filled with copy and paste houses.
>>317667592
>people who wasted 150 + hours playing a clunky, un fun, boring piece of shit defending it with such zeolatry
Yeah, I know, Fallout 3/4 fans are the worst
>>317683278
So much this. They did make an attempt at dynamic quest solving in NV but it never felt like i was surviving the wastes at any point. It Just felt like i was filling rad scorpion pinatas with 10,000 rounds of ammunition to meet and arbitrary level cap. Game seriously made me depressed.
>>317683831
If youre saying Fo3 had nondescript map locations , you have another thing coming. Thats NV with all the copy paste houses and shacks.
In terms of the game openings 2 is definitely the worst, game picks up after that.
I think actual openings go (and this isn't bait, just purely the openings of the games):
4>3>1>NV>2
Can't comment on tactics or BoS
>>317683678
>underground
I know you meant underworld but the thought of a bethesdadrone arguing that the metro rails are like a city in itself made me hyuk.
>>317683949
>4 opening the best
Nigga what ? It was nothing other than shooting some dumb geckos.
IMHO fo3 had the best and most interesting opening with liam neeson abandoning our ass.
>>317683278
> Old fan
> Thinks 2 and NV are consistent with 1.
Ok newfriend. I can tell from a mile away you played NV then went back to playing 2 then 1. 3 is more in keeping with 1.
http://strawpoll.me/6087917/r
alright, which one of you chucklefucks picked FO4? Bethesda? are you in here?
>>317684057
> Fallout 4
> Geckos
What are you talking about.
>>317684064
>more in keeping with 1
>literally made aliens canon
>>317684124
>NV
>technically the 4th game
I guess thats what he meant
>>317683540
That is what I had to do, but ultimately it keeps butting into my immersion. Which should be a big deal in a RPG.
And if setting it after F2 was the only way they could come up with how to justify stuff being there, like the BoS, then they need better writers.
By that point it shouldn't really be a proper wasteland in that area. Unless whatever shreds of civilization that survived the bombs, ultimately fell to the wasteland itself.
>>317683678
Not properly built up. They were still ramshackle even after all those years. By that point the NCR had already built cities before they even had the GECK at their disposal.
I'm not saying there shouldn't still be stretches of wasteland around the area, but there should either be some proper civilization by that point, or nobody at all left.
>>317684241
Aliens have been in fallout since the start. 3 just had them as an expansion pack that involved you being abducted off planet to fight them with a cowboy and samurai in perfect 50s pastiche, as fallout would.
It's clearly a joke expansion pack that has no bearing on the main game or wasteland. But even if it did, aliens are a part of fallout.
>>317684064
They are closer to a proper Fallout than 3 or 4 is in regards to setting and themes. And even play styles to an extent. That was my point.
>>317684383
Why do you care so much about a hypothetical setting ? For all we know humanity can stand on its feet back again in 10 years after a nuclear war. We dont know, you should'nt be so pedantic about it in a video game.
>>317685271
gr8 b8 m8
>>317685271
If it was a new IP, then fine. But Fallout already had established lore. Which this shits on.
And as to why that would shit me, just look at the attitude that the Bethesda PR bloke gave when more lore stuff was pointed out about F4.
They not only seem to not care, but have contempt for people that do care about the setting.
Does that really sound like someone that should have control over the IP that we enjoy?
>>317685453
wait, is there a link for this bethesda pr bloke thing?
>>317686436
Apparently I can't find the two pics I thought I saved. So here is the thread instead;
>>317589142
It has the pics right at the start. This man should have no business in PR.
