Whoa, whoa, whoa..
Where you goin' in such a hurry, boy?
>doesn't put Trek in the title
>expects people to find the thread
Yet another in Dukat's long, long list of mistakes.
>>69248656
>anon titles thread 'Star Trek', 'Star Trek General', 'trek', etc
>first comment is someone complaining that he put Trek in the title and the thread is going to be shit
>anon titles thread ambiguously or not at all and just puts a Trek image
>first comment is someone complaining that he didn't put Trek in the title and the thread is going to be shit
Hey Benny!
Catch the game last night?
>>69249061
Compromise. Put "Star Trek" in the title but don't put "General" in the title.
Friendly reminder that Dukat did nothing wrong.
>>69248656
"You're awfully well-dressed for a janitor."
>>69249211
Fuck Kira's mom in the butt was kinda wrongbut oh so right
>>69248008
>You will NEVER watch the DS9 spin-off Star Trek: Naprem, following the adventures of Kira, Damar, Ziyal, and Dukat in a stolen Klingon Bird of Prey.
>You will NEVER watch Dukat slowly work his magic on Kira and redpill her on the occupation
>You will NEVER watch the episode where Damar and Weyoun put aside their differences over a raucous 28 hour Kanar bender.
>You will NEVER watch the episode where Kira has to give Ziyal 'the talk'
>You will NEVER watch the infamous Kira-Damar bodyswap episode that would divide the fandom worse than Voyager vs DS9
>You will NEVER see Kira catch Ziyal smoking in the engine room and redpill her on the occupation
>You will NEVER watch tensions mount and loyalties questioned between the Naprem crew and the DS9 staff after Quark sells under par Kanar to Damar in an epic two part crossover television event.
>You will NEVER watch the episode where Damar and Dukat get trapped in Ziyal's romantic Garak themed romantic holoprogram.
>You will NEVER see the episode where Dukat attempts to seduce Ziyal after discovering (unbeknownst to him) false evidence that she isn't his daughter
>You will NEVER see the episode where Ziyal finds an encrypted holoprogram of her mother in the ship's files only for Kira to discover it's just another of Dukat's infamous sex programs.
>>69248008
>>69249284
>Let's bring him in, see if he's got any priors
Kek, OP are you watching this episode right now too?
>it's a "Benjamin Sisko is a crime writer in the 1940s" episode
>>69249535
never never?
Who /negrowithatypewriter/ here?
KC Hunter, best Kira.
>>69249674
Any episode that Avery gets really into is always good. Especially when he devolves into stammered SHOUTING, LIKE, THIS.
YOU CANNOT, DESTROY, AN IDEA, THAT FUTURE I CREATED IT AND ITS REEAAL!
>>69249674
>>69250797
ED
DIN
GTON
People love that episode but I thought it was a little bit on the nose.
>>69249674
>crime
>writer
He was a Science Fiction AUTHOR you cretin!
>>69250940
Good, that makes it classic Star Trek.
Star Trek should be blatant with its liberal values.
When it's subtle, we get people on 4chan insisting that Star Trek is conservative somehow.
Underrated: Enterprise
Overrated: TNG
Worst: Voyager
Best: TOS and DS9Every Trek is at least good and they all have their flaws and strong points.
>>69250940
"Well I got news for you.. today or a hundred years from now don't make a bit of difference -- as far as they're concerned, we'll always be niggers."
>>69250948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K7xYuM2AYU&t=140
Open in a new tab because [Embed] doesn't work with timecodes.
>>69251012
You know if you want to do a "discrimination is bad" episode you should avoid fucking superpowerful aliens, because it would be 100% justified in Star Trek if you saw a half black half white alien nearby to run the fuck away before he starts dragging your starship across space with his mind powers.
>>69251012
A lot of the viewers actually are conservative. Star Trek is not an inherently liberal show, it's about showing a better humanity than what we have now.
>>69251012
Ooh, is this from The Negron Complex?
>>69251027
I'm watching season 3 of Enterprise now.
Is it ever explained why the Xindi made the first attack on Earth? Doesn't that first attack warn Earth to be prepared for the second attack?
Is it ever explained why the Xindi don't just blow up the Enterprise? They have no trouble finding it, but whenever they overpower the ship, they always just dock and board it.
New daily reminder that Star Trek is all a mental construct built around one mentally unstable black man's fantasy life to cope with the inequality and bigotry of mid-20th century America.
When are we going to get any information about Trek 2017? To write, cast, built the sets, film and do everything post like add effects and edit, not to mention a marketing campaign, it seems like they are cutting it close.
>>69251274
Star Trek is liberal paradise, run on liberal values, created by a liberal society. Rather than pursuing wealth and the accumulation of material goods, the society of Star Trek focuses on healing the sick, feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, protecting the helpless, and bringing together all people regardless of shape/size/race/religion/creed in peace, love and harmony.
>b-b-but replicators
It was a liberal paradise in the 23rd century too.
>>69250928
Eddington really did nothing wrong.
The Fed and Cardies tag teamed those colonists.
>>69251703
Filming in September, airing in January, and you have to move to Canada if you want to be part of it.
>>69251052
Hearing the word "nigger" in Star Trek just seems wrong.
>>69251483
Wasn't it something like testing the weapon on Earths specific environment or something?
>>69251483
To answer your first question, it was a test because the sphere builders told the Xindi that the humans had barely entered space..
The actual weapon was in the process of being finalized when the Enterprise entered the Delphic Expanse. Basically, the Sphere Builders access to possible timelines and the Xindi's being coerced (to answer your second question) by the Sphere Builders being brought to their attention slows the progress of all the Xindi races working together.
Not to mention, the Enterprise was able to access one of the spheres and start collecting data on them during the entire season as well as find other races like the Mammalians who would come to consider their information on the Sphere Builders destroying the Xindi's region of space as a high probability.
As far as I remember there are a couple of episodes where it did seem like "Couldn't they have destroyed them.." but the writers did at least an okay job of finding some way of working around that, if a little half-stilted.
>>69251123
Yes it does.
>>69251848
>>69251865
But WHY test on Earth? Earth gets warned if you test on Earth.
Test on some other planet and then Earth will have no idea that it's about to be blown up.
>>69251724
The Federation needs men like you, Doctor - men of conscience, men of principle, men who can sleep at night. You're also the reason Section 31 exists. Someone has to protect men like you from a universe that doesn't share your sense of right and wrong.
>>69251695
No, just DS9.
Somehow, his fantasy world was able to tap into the Star Trek universe, but nothing before or after DS9 was his doing.
>If only Dama- *COUGH* Dr. Wykoff would've let him keep going after "What We Leave Behind"
>>69251975
>DS9
>Star Trek
Pick one.
>>69251975
Truly one of my all time favorite parts of Trek was Sloan and Section 31. It gave the Federation it's needed dark side (that actually was a necessary evil).
If you don't see it from Sloan's point of view, you're delusional.
>>69252016
Benny Russell created Quark, and then TNG and Voyager used Quark, so TNG and Voyager are spinoffs of DS9. TOS used McCoy, Spock and Scotty, so TOS is a spinoff of TNG. Benny Russell created all the Star Treks.
You might be thinking to yourself now "Waitaminute, that's not linear", and if so, you are correct.
No, it's not linear.
>>69249284
To any Combscore fans, his breakthrough movie is up in full on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7OXEL2c9rw
>that rape scene at the end
>>69252189
But that means that Benny Russell is actually just another creation of Tommy Westphall.
oops, excuse me goy....I mean guys, just here to ruin your beloved franchise.
>>69252439
A trustworthy man
>>69249688
If holotech existed then we would get to see all this stuff.
Just approximate the appearances and personalities of the characters, dictate the situation, and you can watch as many seasons of Star Trek: Naprem as you like
>S1 finale part 1: Dukat and Kira's newfound romance is severely jeopardized when it is revealed that the Cardassian was in secret contact with the Founders, and had invited them to the Alpha Quadrant with the condition that they'd install him as leader of Cardassia
>S1 finale part 2: Damar's loyalist faction, Legate Broca's dominion faction, the Jem'Hadar, the Klingons, and the Defiant come to a standoff at the Wormhole entrance. Whoever fires the first shot may start an interquadrantal war
>>69252495
You're breaking Rule #1:
>Kira will never ever ever like Dukat.
Their romance only works ifwe discover that she's been replaced by Intendant Kira.
>>69251027
How can one post be so objectively correct?
>>69252560
Well don't forget the Mirror Universe episode 'Near Beyond the Moon', where the mirror versions of Kira, Dukat, Damar, Weyoun, and Ziyal are all working in a 1940s science-fiction publisher. It's the one that ends with Kira having a breakdown because she got sidelined for beinga flaming homosexual
>>69252560
>You will NEVER see the epic twist when it is revealed that the Kira on the Naprem is actually Intendant Kira from the Mirror Universe, and Major Kira has just returned from there for vengeance.
>You will NEVER watch as THAT Kira is revealed to be a Changeling infiltrator sent to observe the Mirror Universe.
>You will NEVER witness the desperate search for the true Major Kira across time and space in an unprecedented cross-over with Babylon 5.
To be honest, I thought the last episode mentioned was when Naprem really jumped the shark.
>>69252760
>1940s science-fiction publisher
1940s crime publisher.
>>69251027
Looks like we've got ourselves a based anon
>>69252873
>Dukat sells his soul to the Pah-Wraiths in exchange for Kira's love
>a new prophecy is written: "Kira will fall in love with Dukat"
>the prophecy is fulfilled with Mirror Kira falls in love with Mirror Dukat
>regular Dukat sold his soul for nothing
Good episode to be honest.
>>69251724
well when the society has the resources to run while using these liberal ideals, sure.
>>69251811
It echoes when Uhura met Space Lincoln, where she says in their time, words cannot harm them.
Talk about triggering.
>>69252893
>not-imgur shitposter is also a RLM shitposter
What a surprise
>>69252893
I have all 4 of those dvd cases lmao
>>69249674
>>69250797
>>69250948
Awful self-serving episode the writers slapped together from old tropes to try to tie themselves to the golden age scifi authors. Stargate SG-1 did something much smaller but along the same lines, and it was as much of a cringe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPkoqH2iQIQ
On top of that they finally got to shoot their wad on human racism, something they approached a few other times on DS9 before and after this episode. And plebs eat it right the fuck up because not just because Avery belts IT'S REAL to the cheap seats, but because "it's real" in every fuccboi hipster sense of the term.
>>69253250
>it's cool to hate on RLM now and ignore their contributions to Star Trek fandom
Dumb newfriend.
it's a those gol darn kids are making mischief again at the shopping mall in outer space episode
>>69252987
That sounds like the type of half-crazy bullshit that would actually make a good DS9 episode
Bravo anon, it sounds a lot better than the real one where Dukat ran the Bajoran cult on Empok Nor
>>69252098
Star Trek was always aspirational, not reflective. If you think Sloan was necessary in that world then the show was never for you.
>their contributions to Star Trek fandom
>>69253425
>doesn't know how to use 4chan correctly
Dumb newfriend.
>>69253449
>here since spring 2015
>newfriend
Try again
>>69253476
>here since spring 2015
>being this new
>>69190710
>>69253476
These posts are orchestrated events meant to affect a specific change.
>>69253449
>>69253476
Really, we're going to resort to false-flagging this fast?
This reeks of unironic autism
lol ya unless you came over on the good ship adtrw from sa youre not a oldfag anon lmao owned u
What the fuck are you people talking about? Go back to Star Trek please.
I guess the 'if you don't put Trek in the title it keeps out the plebs' theory has been proven wrong
Commander tell me about your sexual organs
>>69253639
Do I have to fill out all the squares in order or can Iskipsome squares?
>>69253672
*nods approvingly*
>To celebrate the 50th anniversary of Trek they're releasing some new blu rays!
>... The Animated Series and the Director's Cut of Wrath of Kahn
I'm actually considering buying DS9 on DVD, it really looks like we won't get a blu ray ever.
>>69253672
this is a phony
>no punctuation
Sorry, fake meme guys.
Gonna have to wait for the real deal.
>>69253907
They'd have to hire an all new CGI-rendering company for the show, as well as compromise the fact that the Blu-Ray transfers didn't break profit with TNG (although, surprisingly, they did with TOS - not sure about ENT)
>>69253476
>>here since spring 2015
>not a newfag
Pick one.
>>69253962
I've only been here since January when I decided to re-watch DS9.
How new am I?
>>69253996
That depends.
Is it linear?
>fragmaster didn't personally invite you to SA from the planetfortress forums
>calling others new
lmao
I marathoned the first episode of Voyager while drunk last night. Should I keep going? Keep in mind I hate 7 of 9.
>>69248008
mfw I'm five mins from finishing this episode.
>>69254078
>he didn't serve in the airforce with Roddenberry
>calls someone new
oiamlaffin
>>69254107
Then watch all the way until Scorpion and then drop it.
>My people have a story about scorpions and foxes that my people like to tell to my people because my people are very spiritual and I am a person of my people.
If you need more alcohol, take a drink for every scene that relies on hacky half-assed treknobabble.
>>69253907
It cost 70k an episode to remaster for the TNG blu rays. Something on that scale for Ds9 and Voyager will most likely never happen.
>>69254185
>didn't make love to Roddenberry in one of his many extramarital affairs behind Majel's back
Wew u were missing out.
>>69254237
ya and then the guy spearheading the project on the fansites turned out to be a convicted pedophile
>>69253714
You've never played Bingo before?
There are a few variations but essentially you win if you get matches across an entire row, there's no order to it
As it currently stands, this thread wins a bingo in the O column and diagonally if you count that
>>69254306
U wot mate?
>>69254329
reminder that harry kim died and was replaced by a duplicate
>>69253639
>>69254329
Some of these are too vague or just a given
>Autism
>Shitposting
Some of these aren't even problematic
>it's a [X] episode
Will you be offended if I make my own competing bingo board with some different squares?
>>69254462
Go right ahead, bingo doesn't really work with just one board anyways.
I didn't put too much thought into it, though by 'autist' and 'shitposting' I meant a specific accusation of it rather than the notion itself
>>69254382
Aaron Nadler was a mod on startrek.com, smaller fansites and on SA and was going around doing a lot of online leg work and putting research into finding old TNG VHS copies of episodes to be remastered.
Turned out he molested children
>>69253418
I've got to agree - on a kneejerk level, section 31 and Sloane are quite cool, and hit that 'necessary evil' spot. Kinda gives the Federation some punch.
Buuut, it's not really necessary. Sure, the UFP is going to need an intelligence gathering network; but a dirty tricks department is not along the UFP's core principles. Moreover, I doubt they'd even NEED one. Remember, the UFP was founded by Vulcans, Tellarites, Andorians, Alpha Centaurans, and Terrans; and at least the first four were among the most powerful races in the known galaxy at the time. They came together and formed a super power. A super power SO powerful that they have a fleet of science/exploration ships that are also capable of doubling as warships. (NOT warships with science; science ships with extra added warbits that easily outmatch the warbits developed by pure-war factions like romulans and klingons.)
This is a big deal, and one which is often overlooked, i think. The Federation is SOOOO powerful that they can afford to completely do away with any notion of a proper military, while staring directly into the teeth of TWO hostile and armed empires.
THAT'S power. And that power combined with the UFP's principles seems, to me, to negate any necessity for a section 31.
>>69250928
>>69250928
Is this supposed to be a specific quote? I kept watching through DS9 expecting a "Khaaaan"-like moment where Sisko shouted his name but it never came
>>69250928
Why is he so smug bros?
I watched TOS and the the films and honestly it was a fun experience. Some episodes are the best examples of Sci-fi I've ever seen
But Jesus Christ is TNG boring. I forced myself through the first 2 seasons and it's literally destroyed my soul. The borg, data-human and Klingon exchange program episodes were good but beyond that
>>69255060
Most people agree that the first two seasons of TNG are the worst two seasons of TNG. Most people.
>>69254748
Did you all forget it was a part of the Federation charter? Sloan outlines this in his and Bashir's first encounter.
It was really a contingency plan that ended up becoming a legitimate covert branch of the UFP. They never had to worry about Starfleet but could supercede their authority if necessary.
Imagine, if you will, the wormhole was just a wormhole, no Prophets. But everything else was in it's right place storyline wise.
The creation of the Changeling mutagenic virus might have been the only hope of stopping the Dominion without magical verteron nodes, the SISKO, etc. stopping thousands of their warships from just completely conquering entire systems.
Sure, that is genocide. A completely ANTITHETICAL idea to the UFP, but that's exactly why 31 existed and Sloan explained it.
Garak said a similar thing to Sisko after Vreenak was assassinated by him when the forged optolithic datarod failed his scrutiny.
They were capable of doing the things necessary to the very survival of the UFP. And without those wormhole aliens, they would've needed that virus or else billions upon billions of lives would have been lost and those that remained would have been forced under the explicit control of the Dominion...
... I believe that answers your question..?
>>69255180
Did you forget that Sloan is the ONLY person to insist that Section 31 is super necessary and has existed forever?
If it turns out that S31 was recent and unimportant, it's not as if Sloan would be willing to admit that to Bashir.
>>69255449
>Did you forget that Sloan is the ONLY person to insist that Section 31 is super necessary and has existed forever?
I take it you haven't watched Enterprise
>>69255180
>It was really a contingency plan
I think that's the part everyone forgets. Section 31 basically interprets the clause "in times of extraordinary threat" to mean "as long as anything which could post an extraordinary threat exists".
I bet if Sisko didn't make that whiny personal log, Sloane would have tried to recruit him too.
>>69255449
Section 31 exists in ENT
>>69255503
>>69255555
I don't consider the events of Enterprise when I'm discussing DS9 specifically.
Enterprise says that Sloan wasn't lying, but within the context of DS9 and DS9 alone, there is good reason to believe that Sloan was lying.
>>69255449
See
>>69255503
Enterprise expounded upon this when Malcolm and agent Harris convened about procuring certain items or obtaining pieces of information.
This also made canon that Section 31 existed BEFORE the charter was signed.
>>69254748
>>69255180
Y'all are forgetting that the name "Section 31" comes from the original Starfleet Charter prior to the Federation.
It wasn't included in the Federation charter, but ostensibly the organization changed its mission along with Starfleet to protecting all of the Federation instead of just Earth.
>>69255180
Nawwww - all of that is from the same basic plot arc, so OF COURSE it backs up the need for sec. 31. The whole point of the plot arc was to add some grimdark to the UFP in the form of section 31.
But that grimdark is not necessary; a dirty tricks department is not necessary. Remember: Star Fleet is keeping the peace with TWO fully armed and hostile empires on the doorstep. All by itself. Star Fleet is already MORE than capable of doing its job. (And its job, remember, is to not only keep the peace with two jerk neighbors, but ALSO to explore and gently exploit the galaxy, while carefully not upsetting the OTHER jerk neighbors like orion and tholia and gorn; who are also very powerful.)
The other galactic factions wish they had the resources of the UFP. The life of the average romulan or klingon is utter shit compared to the life of a UFP citizen. Now, I am not saying that the UFP avoids dirty tricks - oh no! I am sure they are more than capable of them, and willing to use them when necessary.
My point is it's not really all that necessary to have a dedicated department of dirty tricks. Sure, it's a fine plot device; but a bit incongruous in the Roddenverse.
>>69255555
The overwhelming lack of canon information around Section 31 makes it hard to judge either way. For all we know >>69254748 is accurate in his assessment of the Federation's strength, or alternatively Earth was getting Xindi'd every week and we just never hear about it because Section 31 prevents the attacks from happening.
While its a bit anachronistic considering DS9 ended in 1999, they come off as poetry for the modern American intelligence agencies and the question whether they are necessary at all to fight terrorism
>>69255794
You seem to be evading what this person >>69255555
Says and what I said about it being a contingency plan, not a dirty tricks department. They may have exploited their power given what was written in the charter, but they were there to protect the Federation should an extraordinary threat come to it's door.
For get the Romulans and the Klingons.. the DS9 arc overshadows all of what you keep bringing up because the Dominion posed "an extraordinary threat" to the very existence of the Federation and it's worlds.
The "dirty tricks" to them were necessary to keep information that may be crucial from ending up in the wrong hands or passing over the heads of Starfleet.
That was why it was such a polarizing and moral dilemna, the existence of 31. The Dominion proved they were very much right in being a plan B when all else failed, and without Bashir and O'Brien (representing the upstanding good guy Fed. citizen), the plan would've worked.
What you are discussing isn't a part of canon because we never see anything else post-ENT of Section 31 meddling in the Romulan or Klingon affairs.
>>69255807
Well, the CIA's own analysis says they didn't actually find any good intel over the past 15 years regarding specific terror threats. Soooo, you have a very good point about poetry.
>>69256045
post-DS9*
>>69256045
Ok, we can talk Dominion - did section 31 beat the Dominion?
Of course not!
>>69256154
My answer is right there in the post you referenced.
It was part of the storyline to show that they very much could have and it was BEFORE the wormhole was magically shut that Odo transferred the virus to the Female Changeling.
>>69256154
They did, in a sense.
If they didn't use the disease and bring the female changeling to near-death, Odo would not have had that opportunity to demonstrate trust and altruism by healing her.
I think the Dominion was already beaten from the AQ by then, but that action ensured they would never try to conquer it in the future
>>69256154
Also, never did the Klingons or Romulans pose such an extraordinary threat (within canon) to the existence of the Federation.
Only the Dominion and the Borg have that distinction (well, and possibly the Xindi but that's up for debate).
>>69256314
(forgets the Federation didn't exist during the Xindi Saga)
MY APOLOGIES.. shit's so linear in here, you'd think we were aggressive; belligerent.
>>69256400
No mistake was made, humanity IS the federation. Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, etc are subhuman scum
>>69256524
>>69256400
Section 31 is from the Starfleet Charter, not the Federation Charter and Starfleet existed before the Xindi crisis.
What's your favourite Star Trek game and why isn't it water pool?
>>69251274
What you don't seem to understand is that older conservatives, classic conservatives, have always been progressive on social issues. The 'conservative' notion is economic, not social.
Only since the rise of the post-Reagan neocons did conservatism get hijacked by the 'family values' nuts, just like it's been hijacked again by the 'not muh guns' and 'i hate dem dere brown folk' nuts.
Honestly, it makes it hard for me to still identify as a member of the true GOP. But I do.
>>69257033
That would never work with water, it would have to be some kind of special low-surface-resistance liquid
Also every shot would be a massive splash
>>69257186
Let's not try to pretend Trek is always socially progressive
>that scene where T’pol explains to Archer the difference in IQ distributions between species
>that scene where O’Brien complains that ‘petaQ’ is just a word and it’s silly ‘only Klingons can say it’
>that scene where Ezri tries to ‘redpill’ Julian by showing him the chart with all the Bajorans in top media positions
>that scene where Kirk jokes with Scotty about Spock’s mother being a race-mixer
>that scene where Trip votes for George W. Bush
>that scene were Gowron calls Worf ‘a subklingon fucking targ’
>that scene where Janeway says ‘we have to out-Ferengi the Ferengi'
>that scene where Soval uses the phrase ‘the eternal Ando’
>that scene where Tuvok walks on the bridge and Neelix makes money noises
>>69257186
Yeah, why did conservatism and liberalism get hijacked by braindead fanatics?? The so-called reps and dems are all just fucking maniacs with no values at all except 'get power!' Where did we go wrong??
>>69257217
It's only known to be played on Nimbus 3, maybe the planet is really low gravity so it takes less force to pot the balls
>>69252439
>>69252488
He looks like he ate out a smurf
>>69257282
>>that scene where Soval uses the phrase ‘the eternal Ando’
Oh, that one is actually pretty funny, got a giggle out me.
>>69257365
No, the people themselves have become fanatics due to a combined effort by capitalistic cabals and families poisoning the medical complex, the universities and school systems, the amplification by media interests of the fringe, the use of social media to engineer consent, etc. etc.
Don't worry, I'm already starting my car to back here..
>>>/pol/
>>69257770
Shit, mang, you may be on to something.
>>69257282
>that episode where Picards helps forcibly displace the Indians because of a treaty with the Cardassians
>that scene where Bones called Spock "Jew, Green blooded bastard"
>that scene where Worf enters Picard's ready room without knocking and gets phasered
>>69258088
The funny thing is, the Janeway one and the Picard once are both real
>>69257770
>capitalistic
You just had to use that word didn't you?
Also, you can just narrow it down. Jews.
>>69258221
But my post wasn't meant to infer that capitalism is the or a cause to this problem, I merely implicated people who are thoroughgoing corporate capitalists who push liberal agendas but in their personal lives are fiscal conservatives because that's tax dollars out of their pockets.
>>69258221
ebin jew meme
>>69257282
>>69257282
>those scenes where O'Brien rants about the 'bloody Cardies' and nobody bats an eye
>>69257365
Well, somewhere along the lines guys like William F. Buckley and Gore Vidal began shaping the values of both parties in their own image, ironically through their own debates. Buckley especially impressed his own views on the Republicans so deeply and successfully that they held for almost 30 years and are just now starting to come undone.
These days, the news networks and their respective talking heads lead the dialogue in whatever direction they please. It's less focused and more chaotic than when Buckley and Vidal were steering the wheel but it's basically the same thing, if not even more prevalent.
>>69258516
What is more offensive, 'Cardies' or 'Spoonheads'? I'd assume the latter
But let's not forget Cardassians think insults are flirting, so all that time Kira was shitting on Dukat he just got more and more convinced she wanted to get SCALE'd
>>69258636
WARNING: This picture is QUITE fertile.
>>69258358
>>69258402
I'm trolling you lads
>>69258674
In that case
>>69258674
Thanks, pal, I thought I had a 50 post argument ahead of me.
It's also Mother's Day, friend-o.
>>69258636
When the Spoonheads put O'Brien on trial, they weren't very impressed with him saying "bloody Cardies"
I don't think either is particularly offensive though. Someone must be able to come up with a better reptile joke or put-down
>>69258707
I think I'll stay, there's few like me here
>>69258671
DELETE THIS!
A pure Cardassian qt would NEVER breed with a pathetic human
>>69258799
>>69258740
>If I throw you in the freezer, would you stop moving?
>The only """"British"""" person in DS9 is an Arab
How did they predict it?
So chaps I'm eight episodes away from finishing DS9 and wondering if it's worth going straight onto Voyager or not, or even if I should skip it.
>>69259102
WATCH EVERYTHING YOU MASSIVE FUCKING PUSSY!! *quick, rapid breathing*
>>69259083
violation of the Temporal Prime Directive
Strangely, the Brits still existed in ENT's time
