>>69092638
first for jon
>>69094143
>following that logic then Tommen is the rightful heir because his legitimacy can't be DISproven.
But he is. After Stannis died, Tommen is 100% the rightful heir until someone comes and dethrones him. Tommen should get the fuck out of King's Landing, because with his death everything comes crumbling down. He needs to flee to Dragonstone or somewhere like that for the time being.
reposting
Does sansa swallow?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpvkY-P4i8A
ROBERT STRONG = UNDEAD MOUNTAIN
THE FAITH'S CHAMPION = NEWLY REPENTANT HOUND
VALONQUAR = LITTLE BROTHER
THE HOUND = VALONQUAR
AT 0:32 RAMSAY LITERALLY SAYS "LITTLE BROTHER"
CLEGANEBOWL FUCKING CONFIRMED
EPISODE 3 SPOILERS WHERE
>>69094308
he's not even a part of the targ bloodline
how is he the rightful king
FIRST for best theme in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBZDYiqXKE
>>69094308
Tommen is a illegitimate bastard.
After Stannis, the rightful king should be some cadet Baratheon house spawn. Some cousin or nephews or something like that.
>>69094340
he officially is, until proven otherwise
>>69094340
>>69094360
Can't be proven that he isn't Baratheon. Of course WE know he isn't the rightful king, but it doesn't change for the people in Westeros.
>>69094340
As far as the realm is concerned, he is officially a Baratheon with a Targaryen great-grandmother or something.
>>69094344
That's not Pay the iron price
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-OnuOC2yQ8
>>69094280
why is she so qt bros
13th for bad pussy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P60DvC1PU_Q
>>69094268
But its true anon, Robert is king no because he forced Aerys out, tis because he is part Targaryen.
Robert's Rebellion is only called Robert's because at the end he was the one to sit on it
>>69094268
You shouldn't. It's a thin justification that nobody actually believes in. That said, it's legally true.
>>69094344
That's the Baratheon Theme. Oddly enough, it doesn't play for Renly and Stannis but plays very often for Joffrey and Tommen.
>>69094390
stop spamming you atistic cunt
>>69094389
Preparing for the inevitable I see
Why do any of these families want to be in power anymore? At first I understood motivations, now it's just a clusterfuck of people doing nothing with any direction.
Season 1 was some of my favourite ever TV, season 5 was some of the worst and 6 is keeping that standard up. It's frustratingly bad.
>Ned:“Ser Willem Darry is fled to Dragonstone, with your queen and Prince Viserys. I thought you might have sailed with him.”
>“Ser Willem is a good man and true,” said Ser Oswell.
>“But not of the Kingsguard,” Ser Gerold pointed out. “The Kingsguard does not flee.”
>“Then or now,” said Ser Arthur. He donned his helm.
>“We swore a vow,” explained old Ser Gerold.
it could be argued that at this point Ned actually figures out what's going on, and why the Kingsguard aren't living, its highly possible that at this specific moment, he knew it in his heart that Lyanna gave birth to a son.
>>69094396
look for yourself kid
>>69094375
It's not like anybody would ever believe Stannis's story anyway.
>"Hey guys, turns out that the king's sons aren't actually his sons, but I decided to wait until after the king died to tell all of you this. That makes me king, all hail Stannis!"
The average Westerosi noble probably thinks that Stannis made it all up, then tricked Ned Stark into going along with it.
>>69094392
If MemeDOR raised an army and took the throne, he would be king.
Having Targ blood doesn't mean shit.
>>69094425
Because they are nobles who need connections to the crown to get benefits.
Stfu about Robby B, he was made King because he was the actual heir to the throne after aerys rhaegar and kids were murdered
That's partly why he wanted dany and Bro dead because they survived and are actually the heirs
That being said the throne became his when he took it by right of conquest
But he took it by right of succession at the time
who /gerolddayne/ here?
>>69094442
>Having Targ blood doesn't mean shit
lmao
Why is this shit needed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bltw7dIO_V8
He is just spelling out what we all saw happen, holy shit, just why? why?
>Aerys fucked Joanna and got her pregnant with Jaime and Cersei
>Everybody thinks they're Lannisters
>Jaime and Cersei fuck and make Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen
>Everybody thinks they're Baratheons
>The current king sitting the Iron Throne is an actual Targaryen whose officially a Baratheon but everybody thinks he's a Lannister
Imagine if this were true and Bobby B managed to find out before he died that the children he raised who will sit the throne after him were secretly Targs all along.
>>69094459
Why does it?
Explain your point of view and I might understand.
>>69094399
Stannis has his own personal theme, the best in the show imo along with the Rains of Castamere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cDLnkYs30
>>69094467
>Game of Thrones S06E02 Explained
What did you expect?
>>69094392
You are implying that ONLY a targaryen can be the ruler.
There's something called the right to rule by conquest.Whoever wins,rules-targaryen or not.
No one in the 7 kingdoms gives two shits about Robert's great grandmother or whatever.
>>69094439
>I posted that
It proves my point. Robert's grandmother Rhaelle was a Targaryen.
>>69094442
It was Robert Arryn who ACTUALLY declared war on the king and kicked off the entire rebellion. Why did you think his ward sat the throne while he was relegated to Hand?
>>69094336
seconded.
any new spoilers?
>>69094453
Where is this nonsense that anyone in Westeros has Targaryan DNA coming from?
>>69094331
>those comments
'lmao'
>>69094360
I don't think there are any anon, Baratheon was itself a cadet house to House Targaryen.
>>69094492
>No one in the 7 kingdoms gives two shits about Robert's great grandmother or whatever.
If that were true, then John Arryn would have taken the throne. He led the rebellion, after all.
>>69094508
also even further up more targ blood to start the house b
>>69094344
I wish this had played when Stannis attacked the Wildling host
>>69094521
From the fact that Bobby B's grandmother was a Targaryen.
>>69094521
Are you dumb, the baratheons are literally 'sibling houses' with the targaryens
Rhaegar or aerys is like, Roberts 2nd cousins or something
>>69094441
I'm a Stannisfag and I can see this. To most people outside of his loyal followers, Stannis would seem nothing more than a usurper and warlord and Ned Stark would be his accomplice.
Even to the lords, this is a guy that stayed quiet, embraced a foreign religion and was cucked to hell and back by his two brothers. With them both "mysteriously" dead, he finally has a chance to shine.
>>69094510
>Robert Arryn
It was Jon Arryn.
True though, Jon arryn wanted robert on the throne after the war because of his targ blood, so other houses wouldn't just shout war and try to take it whenever they felt like it.
>>69094555
>implying anyone gave a flying fuck in Westeros
Robert as far as he knows is Baratheon him being Targaryan wouldnt mean shit to him at all.
>>69094521
>showfags
Through fucking anon, the way DNA is usually passed around.
>>69094490
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3cDLnkYs30
I miss him already
>>69094565
>and Ned Stark would be his accomplice
Given Ned's reputation, I'd be willing to bet that more people would believe that Stannis lied to Ned or tricked/threatened him into doing it.
>>69094510
Good point, I forgot about that.
>>69094453
How can he legally take it by right of succession when Viserys is the heir? It wasn't right of succession it was pure conquest.
>>69094521
>>69094442
Sorry buys, but hese guys are quite correct
>>69094392
>>69094453
Bobby B is aportly Targ thanks to his grandmother paternal grandmother, Rhaele? Rayelle? Something like that.
Will Cersei still order the death of Bronn?
>>69094467
I never got that either, he doesnt really go in depth either, he just recaps the episode as it happens. What is even the point?
>>69094425
>At first I understood motivations, now it's just a clusterfuck of people doing nothing with any direction
People shit on GRRM's writing and it's certainly pretty far from being high literature ("Ser Alliser Thorne walked from the room so stiffly that it looked as though he had a dagger up his butt") but he at least has the ability to write a plot with realistic motivations, actions and political consequences. D&D followed the books' plot extremely closely in the first few seasons and it was a hit because people appreciated things making sense and not just randomly happening because the story needs it. Then they started writing their own material instead of following George's.
>>69094575
But they did give a flying fuck
It's talked about in Ned's PoV that the reason Robert was made king was because it would go the easiest with the other houses
>>69094534
Arryn wasn't interesting in being king.Robert was the first one to speak against the targaryens,and also the one who killed Rhaegar.
>>69094490
DnD originally wanted Stannis' theme to be this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUyDcGSMPEQ
>>69094596
> Ned's reputation
North would follow him bindly, while south wouldn't give a single fuck
>>69094575
They did give a fuck, it's the reason why Robert was made king at the end of the rebellion instead of John Arryn or Ned Stark.
>Robert as far as he knows is Baratheon
Do you think that Robert didn't know who his own grandmother was? Or that the Baratheons are all descended from a Targaryen in the first place? Of course he's a Baratheon. But he has Targaryen blood, just like Robb Stark has Tully blood.
>>69094491
The same as this guy >>69094616
>>69094467
I quite like Alt Shift X, but this is pretty ridiculous. It seems like he feels obligated to pump out videos now that the season is on.
>>69094610
>It wasn't right of succession it was pure conquest.
It was both, that's the point. Conquest is how he took the throne, having Targaryen blood is what gave him the legitimacy to keep it.
>>69094566
Whoops, yeah, got the names mixed up since we were talking about Robert.
Poeple cared about Targ bloodline during Rebellion, because these were Targs times.
But decades after last dragons are gone, after war of all Houses agianst each other 7 kingdoms will fall apart to pre-targ state, unless new dragons come around.
>>69094467
Speaking about youtubers, what GoT channels do you, guys, watch
My choice is only Preston
>>69094685
legitimacy is a meme, might makes right
>>69094685
That's retarded.The iron throne is not owned by Targaryens.There's no westerosi law that states that only targaryens can be rulers.
>>69094614
Sorry about the shitty phone typing...
>>69094566
>>69094697
I'd love to see a Jon Aryn flashback
>>69094701
>>69094710
Wrong. Both the peasants and the nobles care a lot about blood. Legitimacy through lineage matters.
i thought this episode was an improvement
kingsmoot hype
>>69094709
I watch Preston's individual explanation for each episode since season 1, im not buying his tinfoil though
ASX is pretty based
>>69094710
not unless theres a living Targaryen though
>>69094709
None, the only sensible answer
>>69094492
Do you have any idea how 'right to rule by conquest' works. You can't just go and plant yourself on the throne and say 'I'm king now because I conquered the capital'. Everyone would tell you to go fuck yourself.
You have to find another way to get support before even attempting that, and 'he was next in line anyway' is a pretty good one.
Also don't forget that the whole 'divine rights of kings' shit is actually true in Westeros with the magic Targ blood and shit.
>>69094685
this >>69094710
He has no legal leg to stand on with Viserys/Dany alive. Robert kept the throne because he would murder anyone who opposed it.
>>69094710
but it was meme everyone accepted because it provided rules. Without it there wil be war everytime one house feels stronger than the ruling one. Which is what happened with Tyrells and Starks.
>>69094710
>legitimacy is a meme
Not when it comes to monarchy. You need overwhelming popular support or to be married into the right family. Even Napoleon needed a plebiscite and a marriage to a Habsburg.
>>69094729
>There's no westerosi law
There is no unified westeros without the Targaryens. The concept doesn't exist without them.
>>69094737
>peasants
They have been branwashed into thinking letting one familly make all of you laws is a good idea who cares what the peasants think they are sheep.
TYRION IS A TARG FUCKING CONFIRMED
>>69094729
except that Targaryens created and owned the Throne until Robert
>>69094709
>My choice is only Preston
I only saw one Preston video, but it was pretty bad. Does he usually do the weird "3 avatars arguing with each other" thing?
Is there any chance he'll allow Stannis to survive TWOW?
Stannis burning Shireen obviously can't happen.
1. He's already at Winterfell
2. Melisandre, Selyse and Shireen are all at the wall
3. In order for him to get to the wall he has to travel hundreds of miles and then by the time he gets there - what the fuck would be the point of burning her
So no matter what GRRM does with Stannis in TWOW - there's a 0% chance he'll fuck him like DnD did.
Is there any chance book Stannis will survive?
>>69094780
>it is not.
It is. Meme is a concept of culture, and monarchy itself is one of them.
Being a meme does not equal being irrelevant
>watching GoT youtubers
They make money off of reddit theories and reading the books, and youre helping them get paid
It's autistic to watch or create those videos
>>69094784
>"who cares what the peasants think they are sheep"
-Louis XIV
>>69094755
And what if everyone WANTS the conqueror to rule regardless of his/her bloodline?What if the majority of other houses want the Targaryens dethroned?That's what happened during the rebellion.
Yeah,this series has magic,but this whole 'right to rule' thing is made up bullshit.
>>69094802
Stannis deserves a decent death in battle. I hoped it would be against Others, but apparently he'll loose to Boltons. Which is sad
>>69094802
Book Stanis may still die, but he'll go out in the blaze of glory.
Show Stannis was a piece of shit, book Stannis is a stand up guy.
>>69094767
That's why they called him the Usurper m8
He had a legitimate claim, not the best one (Viseris), but still the best one available of the ones left.
>>69094802
Barry is still alive. treat the show/books as alternate realities, anything can happen in the book now.
>>69094802
stannis is still alive in the show
pls
>>69094729
>The iron throne is not owned by Targaryens
The Targaryens literally made it.
>>69094808
>I don't know the difference between a meme and a social construct: the post
How's junior year going?
>>69094819
Whatever ethnic group Dany's family comes from has some genetic ability to control dragons but that doesnt mean they are divine rulers or some bullshit.
>>69094755
Targs only conquered the realm originally because Dragons.
That's what forced the other kingdoms to bend the knee / stay in line.
Robert won the throne from the Mad King, a King which no one loved. Rhaegar was killed, and no Targaryen heir was left in Westeros.
Robert had a knack of turning his enemies into friends, and was, for the most part, loved by the smallfolk and many lords. Not to mention the fact that he had the support of 4 of the seven kingdoms + the Stormlands.
Having Targ blood through his paternal grandmother only provided an easier excuse for his coronation. It would have still taken place if he had no Targaryen blood.
Stop deluding yourself into thinking only Targaryens could possibly be kings, when they conquered the realm themselves in the first place, and then cry when someone else conquers the realm to supplant them.
>>69094802
I'm convinced he's going to explicitly change some things to differ significantly from the show. GoT might as well be loosely inspired by the books now.
>>69094780
It does now,though.And Targaryens are not a part of the new Westeros.
>>69094819
Anon that's not how things works either in the real world or in Westeros.
>>69094828
>Show Stannis was a piece of shit, book Stannis is a stand up guy.
He got rekt'd by D&D faggotry. Dillane was a 10/10 Stannis .
>>69094833
>Stannis is still alive in the show
It would make no sense if he was. Brienne has no reason to spare him, and Roose/Ramsey confirmed that he's dead.
>>69094848
>projection
social constructs consist of memes
>>69094858
The only thing I see him keeping is Jon Snow's resurrection.
>>69094802
>will book stannis survive
very, very unlikely. He'll get the throne or die trying, and since None of the houses south of the neck want him king and the north about to be invaded, I think he's pretty doomed the in the books Aswell
But the books won't butcher his character and that's comforting
He'll die the hero, the king that cared and that's about as good as it gets
>>69094709
GoT Academy and Alt Shift X. Preston's tinfoil is too retarded for me to take him seriously, the guy takes throwaway lines out of context and applies ridiculous mental gymnastics to make them fit his theories and then acts like it's solid textual evidence.
>>69094800
No that shitty act only comes up in the show specific videos I think
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125772
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125772
http://www.strawpoll.me/10125772
>>69094792
>>69094844
Yes,and they must defend it.If they can't,they no longer own it.
>>69094863
it just doesn't make sense to me. this is the show where we watched the main character get beheaded, a mans face squashed in on itself and a child get poisoned at his own wedding
but they just cut to black for one of their main characters?
I understand brienne killing him because of renly, but why not show it?
>>69094808
A meme is (officially) just an idea that moves from person to person, or it's a funny overused joke on the internet. Monarchy isn't an idea that moves from person to person, especially not in Westeros. It's an idea that's been ingrained in their society for literally thousands of years, people aren't saying "hey, have you heard of this cool new thing called 'monarchy'"?
>>69094855
But only Targs with dragons could control all 7 kingdoms and maintain stability. Westeros is too big for stable, dragonless feudal rule.
Didn't D&D literally confirm that GRRM told them Stannis burns Shireen?
>>69094784
>he thinks feudalism was bad.
And one family doesn't make all the laws, the king only deals with big matters and occasionally local stuff if ts interesting, and even then most of the actual law making is done by other people in the court.
>>69094858
If there is some kind of ending where most of the people die anyways who cares how they die other than book autists
>>69094904
Brianne needs to die, she has enough character development already.
what the fuck is going on with the arya plotline? she's not going to become faceless men whats jaqen gonna do with her?
>>69094819
>but this whole 'right to rule' thing is made up bullshit
You say that now, wait till every faction declares war on you and you end up rotting in Harlaus's dungeon faggot.
Whoops, wrong general.
>>69094813
kek
>>69094709
Alt Shift X and Ozzy Man.
I wonder would Stannis who was/is next in line, as honorable as he is, bend the knee to Viserys if he was normal and had an army?
Stannis always based his claim on the law of the realm. Truly, he had advantage over Daenerys' claim, but not over Viserys'.
>>69094862
>Anon that's not how things works either in the real world or in Westeros.
But it did happen in Westeros.Many powerful lords hated Targaryens,and so did the commoners.
>>69094917
>likiing feudalism
Its a backwards social system that inhibits human economic flexibility.
>>69094905
>A meme is (officially) just an idea that moves from person to person
And they sum up to the culture, including languages, nationalities, political ideas, religions, etc
memes do not need to be new, some are thousands of years old desu
>>69094800
nah, he start doing this only on 6 season, half of his videos are explening what we could missed in previos episodes, querter of his videos are legitimately good theories, and what left is tinfoil theories
>>69094914
Mel burns shireen at castle black when she finds the pink letter.
>>69094914
David Benioff and DB Weiss have hinted that the idea for Shireen's shocking death in last night's "The Dance of Dragons" originated from the author, who is busy writing the sixth novel in his A Song of Ice and Fire series.
Martin has emphasised before that there will always be differences between his books and the HBO series but it is hard to see this latest surprise as anything less than a spoiler.
Fans were left reeling when Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane) burned his daughter Shireen (Kelly Ingram) at the stake after Red Priestess Melisandre (Carice von Houten) advised him to make a sacrifice to the Lord of Light in a bid to gain more power.
>>69094631
> Arryn wasn't interesting in being king.Robert was the first one to speak against the targaryens
Jon Arryn knew he couldn’t be king, as the other noble houses of Westeros wouldn’t accept him as such, thus he had to be “the power behind the throne” as Hand of the King to Robert, who due to his Targaryen grandmother, could be presented as a legitimate claimant to the throne in a inner-family squabble instead of the straight-up coup it was.
And it was the Starks who first spoke up against the Targaryens, seeing as how Rhaegar “kidnapped and raped” Lyanna and Aerys had Rickard and Brandon Stark executed.
Highgarden !
>>69094909
Things were running pretty fine in Westeros under Bobby (debt aside) until Littlefinger started being a scheming little faggot.
>>69094767
But Robert slaughtered all of their supporters, put himself on throne, and declared them criminals for being associated with their father and brother
That's how the world works anon, now Jon is probably going to get himself a new Vale army and declare him the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna
And guess what? As long as he's the last man standing, and all of his opponents and their supporters are dead, he wins and he's forever known as the true born son of Rhaegar and Lyanna
That's how the real life War of Roses turned out, anyone could claim they were royalty, then if they could raise an army, the current King would always have to still fight them and defend their own claim
Royal blood legitimately doesn't matter, you can claim whatever the fuck you want as long as your the victor in the end
Will you fucks stop arguing about memes you're being retarded
>>69094937
Baratheon's became the royal family after the rebellion though so Viserys would just be another pretender to the throne.
>>69094802
Here's what will happen.
As Asha goes to execute Theon in front of the heart tree, the Others will come. Stannis will die from wights/Others, and Theon and Asha will just BARELY escape with their lives.
Stannis will be turned into a wight, with the glamoured Lightbringer. This is the 'blue eyed king that casts no shadow' Daenerys saw in the House of the Undying.
>>69094904
That's bacause she didn't kill Stannis, she gave them to Karstarks and is the gift for Ramsay
Calling it now
>>69094802
He's obviously going to die without ever winning the Iron Throne or even getting close to it, but I really hope he has a significant impact on the story before he goes; preferably by beating the Boltons and defending the realm against the Others. A defense that only really amounts to a delay of course.
>>69094984
George?
>>69094800
That's growing on me slightly, though he is seriously terrible at voice work.
>>69094970
I agree with you. That was my whole point.
>>69094970
>now Jon is probably going to get himself a new Vale army and declare him the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna
How? What claim does he have to the Vale?
>As long as he's the last man standing
Seems pretty damn unlikely, since the Tyrells still have all the food, the biggest fleet, and most of the soldiers.
>>69094984
IT ALL FITS
IT ALL FITS
YOU CLEVER BASTARD
I LITERALLY DIDN'T MAKE THAT CONNOTATION UNTIL NOW.
I started reading the books after I had already watched up to S4 of the show and when I read that I had no idea what it meant.
Obviously the "feast" was Red Wedding and shit like that but that one really stumped me.
Fugg
>>69094969
yeah because he was manipulated by Lannisters and had head of Stark house as BFF.
Not precisely grounds for a stable rule, shit hit the fun as soon as he died
>>69094280
>>69095020
Littlefinger will actually help Jon
also is it too much to think that LF actually has Rhaegar's will?
>>69095024
It's meant to make you think the blue eyes come from him being a Baratheon, but they are actually the piercing blue wight's eyes. That's why they are mentioned.
The burning king vision Stannis sees is probably either
a) Viserys
or
b) Himself being 'consumed' by the empty lightbringer as he's stabbed with it.
>>69094905
>what are children
What you're doing is called 'reification'. As though the sense in which memes are 'ingrained' in society is more than merely figurative. Of course the meme (properly 'memeplex') of monarchy moves from person to person; children aren't born knowing what kings are - someone has to tell them. The fact that certain memes become deeply entrenched doesn't mean they stop being memes. It just means they're extremely successful memes.
As an analogy, there are a few genes, maybe half a dozen, that literally every organism on earth possesses. This fact does not mean those genes "aren't really genes". It means they are incredibly successful genes.
>>69094969
But that's exactly the point. The realm is too large for stable, dragonless rule because there will always be scheming little faggots like Littlefinger to fuck it all up. Something like the War of the Five Kings was inevitable and the fact that it happened so fast after the Rebellion is telling.
>>69095030
Jesus christ
>>69094802
Battle of Ice in the books = BastardBowl in the show
D&D literally killed Stannis to give his story line to Jon Snow because normies will love it when Jon "literally a saint" Snow defeats le evil Ramsay
If Jon wins the BastardBowl then Stannis will win the Battle of Ice
What are Asoiaf's(not GoT's) greatest unsolved mysteries? I mean, we know about Jon's parentage, or maybe Tyrion's, but those mysteries are always talked about, what are important things that are yet to be revealed that people don't talk much about?
>>69094965
Robert and Starks both protested.The starks had lost a family member and Robert had lost his fiancee.
Robert wasn't popular because of his bloodline.No one other than Arryn cared about it.Do you think his allies helped him just because of that?They would have supported his claim even if he didn't have a drop of targaryen blood in him.
>>69095024
Nah. Dany's vision predicted nothing so far.
>>69094984
They're way too far south of the Wall for that
>>69095049
>also is it too much to think that LF actually has Rhaegar's will?
I think it's too much, but Fatman needs some deus ex, so why not?
>>69094984
The Others that much south of the wall in the first chapters? How? Wall still stands.
Glamoured Lightbringer? Hmm.
Stannis must first win the battle against the Boltons. I don't know what will happen with Theon, but this sudden interruption is unlikely for these books and there is stil a battle to be had.
>>69095072
basically everything
>What caused the Doom
>What are the greasy obsidian blocks
>What the fuck is Euron planning
>Why does the Dorne plot exist
>Is the Horn of Joramun real
>What's up with Asshai
>Why is Gurm such a lazy fat fuck
>>69095072
White Walkers
Hodor
>>69095104
Rhaegar's will stating Jon is the true heir is the only thing that could legitimize Jon, literally nothing else could come close, so it must exist
>>69095072
>What are Asoiaf's(not GoT's) greatest unsolved mysteries?
Why doesn't everyone get that"Septa" Lemore is a red priestess glamouring the Pisswater Prince to look like a Targ?
>>69095072
Patchface
>>69094862
>Dillane was a 10/10 Stannis
I disagree. Dillane's Stannis comes off more snide than the dour and dry Stannis we have in the book, also Davos and Stannis' relationship in the show felt quite one sided and lacked the genuine value Stannis feels for Davos as a friend and advisor.
>>69095005
Stannis for 1000th Lord Commander
>>69094937
This has been asked many, many times over the years and the answer is a resounding no. Stannis technically shouldn't have engaged in Robert's Rebellion at all since it meant going against the king, but he did. He was forced to choose between his family and his king and he chose his family. This has been addressed in the books. There is absolutely no reason to believe he'd respect a Targaryen claim to the throne over his own when he has already gone against them when they were the ruling power.
Truth be told the nobility were pissed at the targaryens for having their rights constrained in favour granting protections to the common people under Egg and Aerys' early reign. Tywin overturned all that and alienated the common people from Aerys while the nobility were still pissed.
In short, Tywin is a perpetual cunt
>>69095020
>How? What claim does he have to the Vale?
He has none, but if Robin and Littlefinger declare for Jon, and all of Robin's Lords agree to it, once again it doesn't matter. The Lannisters would then have defend themselves from Jon's new claim and his new army
As for the Tyrells, it seems D&D are planning on making them fight a 3 front war against Euron, the SNEKS, and the Faith Militant even before Jon and the Vale make their claims
>>69095072
Who is Azor Ahai?
Probably Dany or Jon.
>>69095049
If Rhaegar left a will it would most likely be at the Tower of Joy, so in the hands of Howland Reed or whoever the Lord of Starfall is now.
And Reed's most likely got Robb's will too so Jon is stocked up on options.
>>69095072
Whitewalkers and Children
Faceless Men
Hodor
>>69094984
I'll believe this because I really want to have Theon survive and go with Asha
>>69094936
>Ozzy Man
He just recup episodes with "le funny voice", and have patreon, expecting people to donate
>>69095124
Most of these are completely unrelated to the story, who gives a fuck
>muh worldbuilding
>>69095161
Lord of Starfall is Beric Dondarrions squire.
>>69095072
Sweetrobin
The horns and whats its their true power
Eurons magic?
Also the show needs to explore more wargs powers not only for bran
>>69095072
>>69095124
>why Ashara killed herself
>who was the Mystery Knight
>what did Ned promise
>why did Ned choose to stay in the KL because of his promise to Lyanna and how is it important (if its about Jon)
>what treasure is hidden in the crypt of Winterfell
>meaning of Dany's prophecies/those told to her by Quiathe
>is Tyrion a Targ or not
>mystery of Darkstar's character
>>69095161
Did Rhaegar knew he was about to die? what are the chances that Jaime actually has it?
>>69095071
My theory is the bastardbowl will happen in the show when Jon runs into the wildlings post-resurrection, who, having converted to R'hllorism from Stannis, see him as a religious figure in the show.
Ramsay will also kill Roose in the books, but do it in a much less hamfisted way.
Stannis will die as per here and join the army of the dead:
>>69094984
The show has skipped this arc because they don't want to budget for it when it's literally just Stannis and a few extras, and want to merge Yara and Victarion.
So, having escaped, Asha takes Theon back home to the Iron Islands, as per the show.
She uses him to try to invalidate Euron's claim, again as per the show.
>>69095103
Ah, but you see. Stannis is trapped in a blizzard. Blizzards are caused by the Others. It's a sign they are coming. It's again another red herring.
The Others will either a) knock down the wall, or b) have travelled through the Bay of Ice, AROUND it, as per Hardhome. This is what 'dead things in the water' means.
>>69095179
Who the hell is Darkstar?
>>69094390
Not bad. Bassline needs a little work, you need to EQ your synths, and your drums need some embellishing for the drops. Also, video doesn't exactly sync up.
Overall, 8/10. Keep making music, anon
>>69094984
>talking about the tv show
>uses book names
So theres no theory about Rhaegar leaving a will?
does this mean that /got/ could actually come up with one?
>>69095078
You can deny it over and over again but it's directly stated in the books that Robert was made the King because he was the only one that would be accepted due to his Targaryen blood. What that anon told you isn't just him theorising, it's what the author of this god damn fictional universe has told us is the case and it makes perfect sense.
>>69095125
He might not need a true legitimization depending on how the story unfolds.
Fore example - Kelly C winning the throne.
>>69095134
We are talking about different things here. Some of the characters are better (because GRRM had the benefit of hindsight) and others are acted brilliantly even if different than the novels.
Stannis is like that, he is a different character than in the novels, portrayed brilliantly on screen.
>>69095193
>Ramsay will also kill Roose in the books, but do it in a much less hamfisted way.
I doubt it. It's more likely that the Manderlys or some other Northern house does.
>>69094947
>its a backwards social system that inhibits human economic flexibility
pic related
Though seriously I think only having to work 3 hours a day for 3 months a year isn't that bad.
>>69095125
Nah,Rhaegar's will daesn't mean shit now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvB_qGhyg_k
>>69095216
The only will that we will maybe see is Robb's will.
>>69094984
I don't know about any of the details regarding Theon and Asha, but that single point about Stannis becoming a wight has hit me the same as >>69095024.
>>69095231
that is literally the most stupid part of the series, why would they let Cersei destroy that Will just because she said so
>>69095224
That too. Whatever happens, Ramsay will be in charge. And will fail miserably. Worse than AFFC Cersei. This is foreshadowed when Roose says Ramsay is not bright, and just a madman with a cleaver. Regardless, the outcome will be the same; forces led by an incompetent warden getting betrayed by their own Houses, with the Vale coming (with or without Sansa) at the last minute to destroy them.
>>69095093
>Dany's vision predicted nothing so far.
Are you retarded? The Red Wedding was predicted exactly as it happened.
>>69095216
Any theory around Rhaegar and provable links to Jon seem to be based on something in Lyanna's crypt. A harp or cloak or something that proves they were married.
As if these would be viable options for proof.
>>69095255
Because shes a bitch who never respected Robert.
>>69095225
>only having to work 3 hours a day
not
>only being allowed to work 3 hours a day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt#Economics
>>69094390
Are you fucking serious? Someone was joking about this on infinitychan a few days ago
Pic related
>>69095196
he is of the night
>>69095132
This. He's pretty intriguing.
>>69095286
whats the next step of his master plan ?
>>69095255
>they
Who's they?
Power is power
>>69095255
I thought it was a good scene desu.It shows that beyond the facade of rules and civility,it all all boils down to who is more powerful.
Joffrey had troops and support of house Lannister,and that's why he could be the king.
>>69095273
Its a system designed to use the work of others to benefit some asshole.
>>69095072
Where the fuck is Gerion?
Where the fuck is Benjen?
Where the fuck is Tyrek Lannister?
Who the fuck is Quaithe?
Who the fuck is the hooded man Theon sees at Winterfell?
Just watched that scene of Ned's arrest. Show was 1000x better back then. I genuinely felt sick for his destiny and that unjustice.
First three seasons..never forget. What is going on now is simple entertainment.
>>69095324
Well yeah but so's capitalism m8. You'll need to be more specific.
>>69095217
Umm,no.It was just Arryn who wanted him to be king for that reason.Because it was a last resort safety measure,in case some idiot lord started claiming that only targs can be kings.
But that never happened.No one had any problems.
>>69095302
hopefully kills the Sandsnakes in the show
>>69094390
Christ, did they really use that stock seagull sound effect at the end there?
>>69095354
>First three seasons..never forget.
I'll never forget the screaming about MUH SEASON ONE during S2. I'll never forget the screaming about MUH FIRST TWO SEASONS during S3. I'll never forget the screaming about MUH FIRST THREE SEASONS during S4. I'll never forget the screaming about MUH FIRST FOUR SEASONS during S5. I am sure as shit not going to forget you, friendo. This right here is forever.
>>69095354
The only scenes which made me feel uncomfortable
>Joffrey ordering all the bastard children of Robert to be executed
>Red Wedding
>Shireen being offered as a sacrifice
>Ramsay killing Walda and her son
That's purely due to me being a new parent, mind.
>>69095072
What's east of essos?
What's west of Westeros?
Does Sothoryos end?
Who is Tommen's heir?
Does the North end?
Are there any wildlings left north of the wall since after Hardhome?
Will Jalabhar Xho ever gain his crown again?
What the fuck does Littlefinger want?
Why does Varys want Aegon?
What age did Jaime and Cersei start fucking?
(In the show) - What the fuck is happening in Dorne? Seriously, what do they even want? Do they want to wipe out the Lannisters? Why did you need to make House Martell extinct to avenge House Martell? Why is DnD so retarded?
In terms of Dorne I don't think those questions will ever be answered.
>>69095221
Oh Dillane had his social stundedness properly acted but most of what we see of Stannis is through Davos' eyes, and the interaction between the two is a large part of what endears people to the character, beyond the sense of honour and the choices he's made to save the realm.
>>69095330
>Who the fuck is Quaithe?
It's Ashara Dayne.
>>69095382
We're still on >muh first three, don't try and pretend people here jerk over S4 or S5
>>69095360
You're supposed to put spaces after your periods and commas you fucking retard. And your argument is still just stupid; you're basically arguing that Jon Arryn had no idea what he was talking about. It makes more sense that this random person on the internet actually has no idea what he's talking about.
>>69094280
Are Dumb Benioff and Dumber Weiss homophobic? I mean they have to, considering their portrayal of Loras and Renly.
>Book: "When the sun sets no candle can replace it"
>Dabid: ??? Boring and gay, we need more floppy dicks and fashion
I don't necessarily think it's homophobia. D&D are Jewish, and like chosen people of the tribe they have a compulsion to ruin and corrupt and that is beautiful and pure.
>>69095402
Only possible if Daynes can into magic and glass candles.
>>69095402
No it's Shiera Seastar
>>69095417
You'll see them, here and there. Everything that just happened is the WORST THING EVER and AN INSULT to whatever just now stopped being AN INSULT to what came before.
>>69095278
lol yeh thats exactly what inspired me
WHEN'S GERION
>>69095369
>sneks, I am NIGHT
>DABID
>DABID
>BAD PUSSY
>and who
>are you
>>69095417
its not like /got/ existed in S1 lol
>>69095417
What's wrong with S4?
>>69095423
They cast John the Fiddler for the Dunk and Egg spin-off they're making.
It got leaked.
When Ned tries to reason with Cersei and Joffrey and says 'Ser Barristan is just and honest man, a good man, do him no harm' to avoid conflict even at his expense, I see a lot of Jon Snow in him. Not Robb or anyone else, but Jon.
No other characters are so just, good and righteous. Barristan was a good actor, but clearly too good to remain in whatever this show turned into, same as Stannis, Cat and so many others. Risking your reputation as drama actor with decades of experience to star in a TV show was worth it maybe in first three seasons, but now its just below all standards. Good thing D&D don't even stand the good actors or respect them, that shows a lot about them.
>>69095380
Oh man, as someone who produces music in my spare time, it's amazing how many stock sound effects GoT uses (and every show for that matter).
The creaky door closing effect is the one that I notice more than any other. I guess they're working on a budget, but still...
>>69094984
I thought it more a reference to the common Barartheon feature of striking blue eyes, Davos mentions how prominent they've become follwing Blackwater, as a result of Melly taking his life essence (his shadow).
>>69095423
>When the sun sets no candle can replace it
The books are so superior.
Fucking hell
>>69095423
fuck off redditor. phobia implies fear. no one is afraid of faggots. most people hate them because they are degenerate. homophobia is code word for being logical. most of the world agrees. you're on the wrong side of history
>>69095421
I never said that.I said that it was a safety measure.A wise decision,but ultimately unneeded because the other lords didn't care.
>>69095078
> Robert and Starks both protested.The starks had lost a family member and Robert had lost his fiancee.
> Robert wasn't popular because of his bloodline.No one other than Arryn cared about it.Do you think his allies helped him just because of that?They would have supported his claim even if he didn't have a drop of targaryen blood in him.
The breaking of an engagement is hardly unheard of and by itself, is nothing to go to war over. On the other hand, “kidnapping and raping” a family member then brutally executing two other family members and calling for the head of a third, absolutely is sufficient cause to go to war.
The noble houses of Westeros wouldn’t go to war over Robert’s failed engagement but many would have gone to war alongside Eddard Stark, fearing that the same could happen to them yet none of them would have supported Eddard taking over as king. Thus the need for Jon Arryn to promote Robert, with his Targaryen blood, as leading the revolt and claiming the Iron Throne while promising to maintain the status quo.
>>69095382
What >>69095417 said and it's honestly not contradictory at all for people to have complained during seasons 2 and 3 only to see them in a better light in retrospect when the show really went off the rails. If a show gets slightly worse each season, it makes sense that you'll complain during those seasons. If it then plunges in quality, it makes sense to then recognise that you know what, seasons 2 and 3 weren't actually so bad at all.
>everyone says GOT is a shit show
>still generates the most threads and shitposting on /tv/
whats up with that
Fuck the new season, post old /got/ memes and verticals
>>69095482
I heard a male scream that I'm pretty fucking sure I heard in Killing Floor.
>>69094802
>>69094802
Dabid&D spoiled and confirmed that Stanis actually burns his daughter in the books. He burned weirwood trees when receiving fealty from the wildlings, thus angering the children of the forest who in turn call forth a great snow storm.
How was Arthur Dayne, the greatest swordsman who ever lived, defeated by two kids? Howland Reed probably didn't even know how to hold a sword properly.
>>69095388
>Yi Ti
>Asshai
>Yes
>Book - Myrcella. Show - who the fuck knows, Dany technically.
>Yes. Not all of them were in Hardhome.
>Xho was never king (World of Ice and Fire explains that bit)
>Chaosh
>He's been raised to be a king that puts the people first.
>when they were kids.
>Poorly setting up a Dorne-Lannister war and/or a landing base for Dany.
I should really get back to work.
>>69095490
kill yourself you walking meme
>>69095504
Belief that the show can redeem itself after 5th season. 4th still had SOME quality, but not as first three.
>>69095514
its confirmed that he gets stabbed in the neck by Reed
>>69095392
I see what you mean.
>>69095504
>everyone says GOT is a shit show
No one says that. It's still a great show, sadly not he GOAT show it was in S1.
>>69095519
YI TI IS PART OF ESSOS YOU FUCKING WHORE.
Asshai isn't west of westeros because there's a shitload of land east of Asshai.
>>69095514
Same way Victarion's men got defeated; Howland blew a poison dart right into his eye or neck or an exposed area. He got woozy and fainted.
Then they stabbed him to death.
>>69095507
>post old /got/ memes and verticals
How old senpai?
>>69095525
I would have been prepared for it to definitely be shit, but the Hardhome episode gave me some hope that redemption was possible. That was OC and it was actually good. Everything else in S5 was garbage.
>>69094802
>inb4 Stannis dies against the Boltons and Shireen gets burned anyway to ressurect Jon
You know deep down that's what will happen, D&D might be hacks but they know exactly what is going on with the story, they just change a bit but the outcome is always the same.
>>69095273
That was the result of fallout from the black plague creating an economic crisis and serfdom crossing the line into slavery.
Just because a system has flaws that get taken advantage of doesn't mean the general hierarchical system was bad.
Also your whole 'only allowed to work 3 hours a day', quite a lot of lower classes are a bit stupid but think they're, and think that if they work longer they'll get more money and so be richer. But once they all do they'll find the prices of everything will go up, meaning they're working longer for the same pay with higher numbers written on the currency.
>>69095537
>It's still a great show,
No it's fucking not. You can't explain the reasoning behind the characters actions like 90% of the time
>>69095514
>How was Barristan Selmy, the greatest swordsman who ever lived, defeated by a peasent with a dagger?
>>69095490
By most you mean degenerate inbred sand-coons and niggers. DO you enjoy being on the side of niggers and mad hams mudslimes?
Stormtard polfaggots really are pathetic. Go do as your degenerate bloodthirsty leader and an hero
>>69095490
>phobia implies fear.
Only if you're a pleb who thinks literally. The use of '-phobia' as a suffix denoting a strong aversion has deep roots. Rabies used to be called 'hydrophobia', not because it makes you afraid of water, but because it constricts your throat muscles and makes drinking impossible. Similarly, "thermophobic bacteria" are not held to be quaking in their tiny, bacteria-sized boots at high temperatures; they don't survive well (they don't 'tolerate', so to speak) high temperatures.
tl;dr you're a pretentious cunt and you're wrong about everything because you're stupid
Why do you fags hate S4?
>Purple Wedding
>Tyrion's Trial
>Oberyn
>Littlefinger making plays
>Cercei going insane
>battle of the Wall
>Arya and the Hound
>trial by combat
All were done really well. The only shit parts were Brienne and Dany (who is consistently shit anyway).
>>69095507
First book best book
First season best season
It's like poetry really
>>69095504
The people that say it's a shit show are a pathetic vocal minority that watch every week something they hate, nobody actually takes them seriously.
>>69095551
I haven't looked at the map for a while.
Although with Yi Ti I'd argue it isn't part of Essos, but then where does Europe end and Asia begin when it's all the same landmass?
>>69095501
>On the other hand, “kidnapping and raping” a family member then brutally executing two other family members and calling for the head of a third, absolutely is sufficient cause to go to war.
Funy how Bobby B and Tywin did the exact same thing.
>>69095530
>>69095553
You guys are forgetting that Howland Reed had to had his pride defended by Lyanna (while disguised as the laughing tree knight) because he was too much of a pussy to fight, I doubt he was even a decent fighter.
>>69095587
I'm talking about the books, not the homogay series.
Daily Reminder Tysha is working as a prostitute in Braavos.
>>69095608
>battle of the Wall
that war boring as fuck though
>>69095503
>If a show gets slightly worse each season, it makes sense that you'll complain during those seasons
But it's also true that if a mania of bookfaggier-than-thou show-bashing takes root within a general, the exact same results will be generated.
