Is Star Wars the capeshit of Science Fiction?
>>68107500
as it's not science fiction, no.
Star Wars is fantasy.
>>68107500
TFA was a marvel movie
>>68107529
but midi-chlorians
>>68107529
why is it not science fiction?
>>68107529
>>68107530
In what way?
Keeping in mind Star Trek has had sword fights, telekinetics, clairvoyants, people shooting magic shit at one another, etc.
>>68107500
Star Wars is High Fantasy with a space opera re-skin
>>68107587
It's set in a fantasy world with things like the Force, and it's own fictional universe. Science fiction mostly refers to a futuristic setting, but still set in our own universe.
Plus the "science" elements are extremely scarce.
Sure
>>68107700
>it's own fictional universe
>a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away
pick one
>>68107604
Star Trek ATTEMPTS (before the JJ movies said "fuck it") to be internally consistent and align itself with known scientific and speculative science. It doesn't always accomplish it, but it tries.
Star Wars depicts a society with such advanced tech that known limitations of physics or scientific facts are utterly meaningless, rendering it all more magic-like. Plus the themes of a Knights Order, ancient evil, etc.
Sci-fi in general is the capeshit of cinema.
>>68107500
It is now.
>>68107738
>alternate universe
>not far far away
Come on anon
>>68107700
ah right i see. never thought of it that way. i dont know if that necessarily puts it perfectly into fantasy though. its sort of a mix of the two id say. theres a lot of scienceish stuff in there, big spaceships, space travel, laser guns etc. the only fantastical element is the Force really
>>68107788
In Star Wars, even small dog-fighting space vehicles are capable of "faster than light" travel capable of traveling across solar systems with ease in seconds. This would imply even the most lightweight vehicle can open up some sort of wormhole and exist inside unquantifiable gravitational disturbances.
All androids seem to be sentient, no matter how "low tech looking". So even the cheapest tech is capable of extensive neural processing
Basically when you dial every aspect of tech up to 11 and portray that to be just normal, you get the quote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
>>68107922
it's literally history
if you had a good enough telescope you'd be able to watch it happening right now
>>68107922
alteranate and distant dont mean the same thing. i dont see what youre getting at
>>68107991
>the only fantastical element is the Force really
The tech in Star Wars casually so far advanced and removed for any known tech paradigm that it all may as well be magic.
>>68107529
>>68107700
>fiction
>based on imagined future scientific and technological advances
>social or environmental changes
>frequently portrays space and life on other planets
meets the criteria mateo, might not be the thought provoking existential sci-fi you're after but doesn't make it non sci-fi. Yes it's also fantasy, no reason it can't be both.
>>68107500
>capeshit
use the right words:
Star Wars is entertainment for the whole family
>>68108098
Star wars never speculates about tech or revolves around it at all, in fact it exalts intuitive knowledge over it
It replaces high fantasy elements with tech-looking elements down to villian/hero archetypes.
Sure you can call it science fiction, in the same way you can call Lord of the Rings science fiction if you want. But then the term isnt useful.
>>68108092
no i dont agree, its based on technology not paranormal abilities or magic. i dont think whether it's realistic or not matters, but then again thats just my opinion
>>68108387
>Star wars never speculates about tech or revolves around it at all, in fact it exalts intuitive knowledge over it
that's not true at all
>>68108387
What does lotr have to do with imagined future or advances in technology?
>>68108393
>its based on technology not paranormal abilities or magic.
If you think lightspeed+ atmospheric entry in TFA doesn't need magic to not destroy the planet (as your vehicle is basically a relativistic projectile) then i have very little to discuss with you.
>>68108461
>rookie pilot eyeballs a shot with higher degree of accuracy than using aim assist by "trusting the Force""
ok
>>68108526
your getting bogged down on real life science, it's exaggerated/unrealistic science, just like most sci fi. the force is the only bit of magic in star wars, the rest is just very unrealistic science.
>>68108595
thats not what i was talking about. you said star wars never speculates about tech or revolves around it, which is just not true.
>>68108873
you're*
>mfw when your huge star wars friend says "Star wars is the greatest science fiction"
>His face when I say star wars is a fantasy
Star wars fans are pathetic. They don't even know what genre it is.
Protip: Robots and spaceships don't make it science fiction.
Its even in the goddamn name SCIENCE fiction. That means no matter how little sense it makes in reality the tech present in the universe has some semblance of fictionalized science behind it.
>Inb4 midichlorians
The prequels genre is trash
>>68109023
Forgot pic
>>68107587
its fantasy (according to george lucas) their are literally space wizards
>>68109023
youre orgetting the "fiction" part. its not speculative or hypothetical science, it doesnt need to be practical or realistic.
basically just means make beleive science. if you ask me that includes laser guns and big spaceships, robots and space travel
>>68108873
>the force is the only bit of magic in star wars
Nigger are you serious? its not like the force is some small or inconsequential part of the story. Sci-Fi is about.....science. Star wars is an adventure tale, with mysticism, magic, and isn't set in our reality.
In almost every Star Trek episode they have some explanation for at least one piece of the technology they're using. how many explanations can you think of for the tech in star wars?
>a genre of imaginative fiction involving magic and adventure, especially in a setting other than the real world.
>fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.
Which one of those sounds more like star wars?
>>68109180
id say it's a mix of fantasy and sci fi. doesnt matter how much you try nobody will ever look at star wars and not think science fiction.
georgie is just trying to be edgy
>>68109222(you)
>>68109275
>and isn't set in our reality.
>>68109312
You think science fiction because you don't know any science fiction. You've made it quite clear in this thread star wars is the closest you've ever seen to Sci-fi.
Ask yourself who's really trying to be edgy. The guy who wrote a fantasy story, and told retards its a fantasy story or the retard who is butthurt on the internet that he doesn't understand what a genre is.
Is Prometheus science fiction?
>>68109434
It has a squid abortion scene so for me its porn
>>68107561
we dont talk about those
>>68107500
Was Darth Vader mean?
>>68109392
Yeah fuck off you'll never convince me star wars is in our reality. Its too much of a FANTASY
>>68109516
you just don't have enough midi-chlorians
>>68109552
>Lucas wanted to develop a hard sci fi concept with mitochondria count calcium channels driving Force-abilities but they didn't let him
>>68109498
according to this book he was
>>68107500
Both.
>>68109275
Nigger are you serious? its not like the force is some small or inconsequential part of the story
i never said it was inconsequential. i just said that's the only fantastical element to star wars.
>how many explanations can you think of for the tech in star wars?
when luke and his uncle buy c3po and r2d2 they talk a whole bunch of made up technological mumbo jumbo, in the prequels when young anakin is doing his podracing thing im pretty sure theres tech talk involved when he's fixing his ship. in TFA Rei is always talking about the technology of things. to blow up the deat star they have to steal blueprints or someshit so that they know where to shoot the weakspot which implies theres some technological engineering involved in the construction of the death star, its not some magical giant ball.
dont get me wrong the science in starwars is just a bunch of nonsense but it exists. which in my opinion makes star wars a mix of sci fi and fantasy
>The is star wars a fantasy or sci fi thread again
THE GODDAMN CREATOR SAID ITS A FANTASY. ITS GOT, KNIGHTS, MAGIC AND SWORDS HOW IS THAT NOT FANTASY TO YOU FAGGOTS
>>68109809
don't go thinking that replicators are science then
or spice melange
or replicants
>>68109714
>i just said that's the only fantastical element to star wars.
>knights, monsters, magic, adventure and swords
>sci-fi
>>68109809
BECAUSE IT HAS ROBOTS AND SPACESHIPS AND PROSTHETIC AND CLONES
>>68109714
the point people make is that its not really important in the story. Its the adventure, wizards, and magic that are the focus of the main story.
>>68109860
what does that have to do with my post?
If your argument is anything impossible makes it not sci-fi then theres never been a sci-fi movie made
>>68109413
calm down a bit mate im just conversating theres no need to get your knickers in a twist.
i dont agree that star wars is solely fantasy and i can disagree with lucas if i want.
i watch a lot of science fiction films but i wouldnt say im an expert or anything i dont know enough about film or science to claim that i was.
you have films that are serious science fiction and then there are films which are less serious and a bit silly/unrealistic like star wars.
im not ignotring the fantasy elements i just think its stupid to ignore all the (made-up, hence FICTION) technology that is in star wars
>>68109954
exactly, all sf is fantasy to some degree
Star Wars is basically just Prince Valiant in space, and there's very little science in it.
Star Trek is SciFi with all of its mumbo-jumbo science pedantry, which is why Normies like it less.
Star Wars is easier to comprehend because it's just Fantasy with space paint.
>>68109890
How would you describe star wars?
Sciencey spaceship robot battles?
Fantastical Space adventuring wizards?
One of these is fantasy/sci-fi and one of them is sci-fi/fantasy
>>68110032
not him but i would describe it as political allegory for kids
>>68109860
in blade runner, morality and what constitutes being a real person are the main aspects of the plot. this is fully sci fi because while it doesn't matter HOW clones are produced, the fact that they could be produced in our lifetime is enough
Dune i dont know. Its a pretty vast narrative that im now 100% familiar with.
>>68109986
yes but the technology in the films is so far advance to us that it might as well be fantasy. Oh wait it is george lucas said so.
Star Wars was the Messiah of capeshit and changed the way mainstream movies were made forever.
>>68109875
>monsters
they're aliens who belong to planets in their respective galaxies who have their own civilisations. just like star trek
>adventure
>knights
>swords
that's not fantasy, those are real life things.
>>68110079
>im now
meant "im not"
>>68110079
i see all pkd as sf - but it's not hard sf at all, and really it's closer to philosophy than most sf
>>68110106
It's actually the antichrist, because movies suck now.
Jaws and SW brought this evil into the world.
>>68110087
>yes but the technology (SCIENCE) in the films is so far advance to us that it might as well be fantasy (FICTION).
yes i agree.
>>68110108
Even 500 years ago, adventure+knights+swords was considered genre lit, not actual realism. This is the entire point of people of the proemial Neckbeard obsessed with fictional genre stories (Don Quixote)
Force/magic turns it into fantasy
Sci-fi deals with how the technology effects as a people. Sci-fi's often hac
Tell me one time Star wars did that? Oh wait what effects people in star wars? A magical force called well The Force. Gee whiz sure sounds like science.
Sci-fi often is written by actual scientists who base the stories off their real world knowledge. They're knowledge of science helps create the path that their story will follow. Science is often directly related to the plot.
Any sort of "science" in star wars is complete magic. Sentient robots, FTL travel. None of it explained and the story could be told without all of it.
Sure its got some sci-fi elements in star wars. But lets be real the ratio of science to magic is like 92% magic to 8% science
>>68110108
>What is a rancor
>>68110359
a big guy?
>>68110271
>I don't know what the sci-fi genre is
there's a little more to it than that jamall
>>68110273
so do we just ignore the technological and scientific elements that are in star wars?
i dont see why the force takes prevalence over space ships, deathstarts, robots, space travel and exploration.
in my mind star wars will always be a mix of the two genres, i havent heard a compelling enough argument from anybody in ths thread to convince me otherwise
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>>68110315
>Sci-fi often is written by actual scientists
>>68110456
The force is a main plot point. You could tell the same story without any of these elements except The Force (power hero uses to vanquish foes) and the Death Star (could be any tool that represents a threat to a massive amount of life)
There is more to sci fi than going to space or technology. Ex Machina was a sci-fi because it looked at how a fantastical impossible technology would effect a human. When does technology ever make an impact in star wars?
Also you're probably the same guy but seriously dude Lucas said it was fantasy
>>68110359
>Rancors were large semi-sentient reptilian carnivores native to the planet Dathomir. (some star wars wiki)
sounds like an alien reptile to me.
>>68110402
>Science fiction is a genre of speculative fiction dealing with imaginative concepts such as futuristic science and technology, space travel, time travel, faster than light travel, parallel universes and extraterrestrial life. (wikipedia)
i got another one for you: ww.bbc.com/future/story/20140729-what-is-and-isnt-sci-fi
so you tell me what sci fi is m8
>>68107530
Star Wars isn't about science and doesn't involve it's application. It's a fantasy tale set in Space. Star Trek does deal with science that's the difference. Singing in the Rain is more a sci fi than Star Wars
>>68110647
> Dr Strangelove also does what the best science fiction always does. It makes us think about the possibilities and limitations of our species, and our relationship with science and technology.
I know what isn't sci-fi, Star Wars
>>68110656
>implying you can survive in space without science
>>68110647
>Star Wars is essentially a hi-tech fairy tale
Really proving your argument there pal
>>68110774
there are literally no fairies in star wars
>>68109392
"Once upon a time..."
>>68110456
In sci fi, plot and tech are intertwined. Char's are defined by both their relations to other chars AND the setting they live in (tech's impact on the world). Their morality and proclivities as as much as a product of their time and setting, as a product of the story's main conflict
Examples in film:
Blade Runner
Primer
Matrix 1
Interstellar
In fantasy the plot capitulates creation (or destruction) myths and the character develop accordingly to the heroic journey of self-discovery and coming of age of the protagonist(s).
Example:
LOTR
KRULL
Star wars
>>68108098
>based on imagined future scientific and technological advances
It takes place in the past, so it failed your first criteria.
>>68110734
Can't tell if your just that stupid or you're trolling.
>>68110817
THIS
>>68110891
you said there was no application of science
>>68110728
>>68110586
well the article points out that science fiction is hard to define, which is the pont i was trying to make.
i say star wars is a mix of sci fi and fantasy but we obviously disagree.
anyway it's past my bed time, it was fun discussing this with you, i got more involved than i usually do. catch you later
>>68107500
>Science Fiction
Science Fantasy***
ftfy
>>68110774
high tech fairly tale? so like a mix of sci fi and fantasy?
literally what ive been saying this whole time.
>>68111088
You continually mistake anything having to do with science or technology as being "sci-fi" which isn't the case. Where in Star Wars is technology central to the plot
>>68111037
>Doesn't meet any of the criteria of Sci-fi
>Meets all the criteria for fantasy
>Takes place in space, a common setting for sci-fi
>this makes it sci-fi/fantasy
>implying there is even anything to agree or disagree about here
You can be right or you can be wrong and call it "an opinion"
>>68110947
Post me a scene in star Wars where the story is about the application of the science and not just using spaceships to tell a fantasy story
>>68111191
some might say the death star is central to the plot in a new hope. the aim being to blow it up. after that everybody celebrates and the film ends
>>68111311
ben switching off the tractor beam
>>68111490
>some might say the death star is central to the plot in a new hope.
the point of the death star is to give Luke a reason to connect with Force and overcome Evil and realizing who he is
Only the Force enabled him to able to blow it up, not his skill as a pilot or as a gunner.
You could replace "Death Star" with any kind of "Tension-generating Plot Device" and the story would remain largely unchanged as Luke still used the Force to stop it
It's starshit.
Starshit is just as bad as capeshit.
>>68111751
that whole scene was just to get him near Vader for a wizard showdown, so no
Star Wars is Science Fiction. It doesn't need to be deep to be considered Science Fiction.
It uses advanced technologies 'n' shieeeettt, etc. etc.
>implying Sci-Fi and Fantasy are mutually-exclusive
kek
>>68111779
>starshit
>Capeshit
>fantashit
>realishit
>histoshit
>godshit
>fableshit
>childrenshit
>crimeshit
>comedyshit
you wont be happy until Film is just abstract stories told by shooting a lava lamp for 2 hours
>>68103997
As long as Disney owns it, yep.
>>68111913
Starshit is the best term since you guys can't even decide if it's science fiction or fantasy.
>>68108042
>if you had a good enough telescope you'd be able to watch it happening right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_1T4ilm8M
>>68111913
I love that Lava Lamp movie
