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Series 9 was pretty shit and series 2 > 6 and 7, Edition
Last time >>63622903
>>63643096
>Series 9 was pretty shit
>>63643125
No backsies Moffat, you can't take that shit back
>>63643096
Gr8 b8 faggot
You must now rank the seasons of nuwho by how willing you'd be to have them as the only season you're allowed to rewatch.
5 > 9 > 8 > 1 > 4 > 3 > 6 > 7 > 2
>>63643024
Metal Gear Solid girl? You mean Grand-Daughter? If so, then no m8.
>>63643096
>not war doctor edition
/who/ a shit.
>>63643096
>series 2 > 6 and 7
Just do it please
>>63643244
>by how willing you'd be to have them as the only season you're allowed to rewatch
I've been out of the loop since March. Is Moffat stepping down this time like he was saying last year?
>>63643252
no this girl
>>63643244
1>8>5>7>4>3>6>2>9
>>63643285
Do you know how to use google?
>>63643285
he never said he was stepping down
think you were dreaming m8
>>63643293
I have no idea. I've never played any of those games.
>>63643244
5>8>9>3>7>1>6>4>2
>>63643304
>9 that low
>2 above 9
Fuck off m8
If in doubt remember to shout
The worst of all time is season nine, it was no bad this even rhymes
It's simple /who/res
>>63643267
briggs a shit
>>63643378
I just have strong antipathy toward 9.
>>63643378
>ranking 9 above anything
mein sides
>>63643149
I heard he did an audio book of The Wasp Factory
I've been looking for it for ages now
>>63643432
>It's bait anon
Get some new images m8, they're boring
>>63643283
Not the most graceful sentence ever written, no, but you should be able to solve this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulxRmR5eNYA
He may not care for the media, but he cares for the fans.
>>63643524
canon
>>63643524
>implying making an obviously forced video means he cares
>tfw the first episode of series 10 airs tomorrow
>tfw /who/ is kill
the hiatus between 9 and 10 really flew by. feels like yesterday we were all shitposting about river in the christmas special.
cya next off-season
>>63643574
>having made the video in the first place
>>63643211
>Series 2 has one goat episode
Bad b8 m8
>>63643624
Its not bait if its true.
>>63643596
Series 9 sucked all the will to live out of me.
>>63643662
>Impossible Planet
>Satan Pit
>not GOAT
>implying you're not baiting
please leave
>>63643624
it has 3
>>63643244
8>9>4>50th Anniversary Specials>Series 4 Specials>7a>1>5>7b>6>3>2
>>63643708
I count two parters as one whole episode
>>63643736
it has 2
>>63643736
>Not Explaining what they are
>>63643524
>you will never exploit your position as a dying kid in hospital to get 8, 9, and 12 to make a one-off multi-Doctor special
>>63643752
>Series 6 has 3 goat episodes(day of the moon, impossible astronaut
And so Girl in the Fireplace isn't GOAT while stuff like Day of the Moon and Impossible Astronaut are?
Terrible b8
>>63643839
girl in the fire place is the worst episode of nuwho
>>63643899
Moffat please leave
>>63643918
>Being this retarded
>>63643810
I wonder if Eccleston will ever do a Doctor Who Purgatory Cruise
Eccleston is the modern Tom Baker in terms of his hatred for the show becoming a love once more.
It seems now he has accepted Doctor Who as a major part of his life. This could mean he might return to the show one day.
And on that day, it will be a multi-Doctor story featuring 8, 9 and 12 and will end in 12s regeneration.
>>63643940
>not shitting on his own past episodes during someone else's era so he can elevate his own shit from his own era like series 6 eps
Fuck off m8
>>63644039
Please, Anon. I can only get so erect.
>>63644039
but Tom never hated the show
>>63644077
He never returned to the role (televised) until Day of the Doctor. He refused to do the five doctors
>>63644039
He's certainly accepted DW as being a major part of his career but I doubt he'll ever return unless he gets really desperate for work.
>I remember a man stopping me in Oxford Street once, looking at me with absolute incredulity; he couldn’t believe it. He said, ‘Tom Baker?’ A man in his late thirties. I said, ‘Yes’. He said, ‘Tom Baker?’ I said, ‘Yes!’ And he looked at me and in his brain he catapulted back in time and he said, ‘You know, when I was a boy, I was in a home for children; nobody wanted us, you know? It was terrible. And you made Saturday night good.’ And I went to say something to him and I could see him so close to tears that he couldn’t speak. And he shook his head as if to say, ‘Don’t go on, don’t remind me’ and he just did [a thumbs up]. Such a common thing, isn’t it, but suddenly backed up with an expression on his face through his tears that was a knighthood. It was a knighthood. Just thumbs up, meaning it was great, and thanks. It’s incredible, isn’t it? Just a gesture.
Next companion has already been cast and will be announced December 18th (I don't know who she is, but I do know that it's definitely a she).
More to come.
>>63644120
He didn't return because he thought it was too soon to come back. There hasn't been a doctor that legitimately "hated" the show.
>What is Dimension in Time?
>>63644224
gr8 b8 m8
>>63644243
Dimensions in time is an non-canon cross over with dr.who and bbc other show coronation street which is a soap opera.
>>63644224
jazzy
>>63644224
>mfw the next companion is a middle-aged screenwriter named Stevonne Moffat
what do you think of the new tardis, /who/?
>>63644341
10/10
I've been marathoning through the Moffat era stuff again the last few days. About halfway through Series 6 now and I don't remember it being so fucking irritating. I loved it when it first aired but watching it now is like a chore. Outside of the Impossible Astronaut two-parter and The Doctor's Wife the entire first half of the series is pretty fucking dull and overblown, and the second half really has nothing going for it but The God Complex. There's no real standouts otherwise, and the whole series has this drab feeling to it. Like they were trying to be darker and more serious after the mostly pretty lightherted Series 5, and it really doesn't suit Smith or the Ponds. Hopefully I don't end up having the same godawful revelation with Series 7.
>>63644172
>>63644602
Did you like 8/9?
>>63644602
>Hopefully I don't end up having the same godawful revelation with Series 7.
You're in for a rude awakening, series 7 is nothing but shit episodes and has no standouts at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0leIKO5Z2c
r8?
>>63644341
JESUS CHRIST HOW HORRIFYING!
>>63644700
Liked 8, thought 9 was pretty clunky but otherwise good.
>>63643791
>>63643792
>The Girl in the Fireplace
>The Impossible Planet
>The Satan Pit
that's it la
>>63644274
actually it was eastenders you silly twat
How many times have you masturbated to something Doctor Who-related, to the point where you achieved orgasm? I think I have only done this three times. The tablets I'm on make it impossible to ejaculate in under half an hour, though, now.
>>63644725
I feel that series 7 gets too much flack. While not outstanding, it's consistently competently crafted barring a few duds.
This bingo didn't work so good
how's the one for next episode coming along?
>>63644039
>mfw no NuWho 10 year Special.
>mfw no Eccleston, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi working together.
>mfw no Paul "JUST" McGann constantly in the background crying.
>mfw they don't encounter the 13th Doctor and help him/her with some new threat
>mfw they don't go fishing or shitposting on /who/ afterwards
Kill me family.
>>63644845
I found that other than The Crimson Horror and Bells of St. John I actually kinda enjoyed all of the Clara episodes. The first half with Amy and Rory was kinda weak though, like they were going through the motions, drawing things out til it was time for them to leave.
>>63644976
How can Doctor know it feels like dying when he hasn't actually ever died before?
Reminder that 75% of this general is female and under the age of 23.
>>63645080
fun fact: that image of Capaldi is the one they use in the opening title sequence for his eyes
>>63645072
Because bad writing.
Regeneration is described as a rush, and all that changes is the body. Psychologically speaking they're still intact, not even counting the consciousness is the same.
IIRC During the Time War, the Time Lords have regenerated into some crazy shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPPlLV60xQ
GET in /who/
the Doctor loses Clalala and loves it.
>>63644827
Honestly, Doctor Who has accounted for the vast majority of wanks I've had since I started eight years ago.
>>63645080
I am one of those things, but not the other
Care to guess which i am? :)
>>63644827
I masturbated to Osgood a few times. No regrets.
>>63645165
>Psychologically speaking they're still intact, not even counting the consciousness is the same
Considering there's a complete personality overhaul each time, there's clearly some mental fuckery going on as well. Even the Doctor himself tends to regard his different regenerations as essentially different people each time they meet.
>>63644602
Am I the only one who liked that Flesh two-parter?
>>63645313
Yeah that's true. Gallifreyans store their previous regenerations in their DNA (the third strand).
If they're a Time Lord then they should be uploaded into the Matrix.
>>63645403
THE BEST DOCTOR!
Big Finish torrent?
>>63645783
what?
>>63645783
There are a lot of Big Finish torrents. Though I assume you want a torrent for the first War Doctor boxset.
There aren't any yet, sorry.
>>63645080
Some of us can afford the upgrade.
>>63646078
No, I want a good entry level torrent to do my work and listen to.
I have done no prior listening, and I want to at least try a few and see if the format is for me before I use said job to pay for content
>>63644969
You not knowing how to fill it does not mean that it didn't work out
>>63644976
>Done
Do you faggots know you can save images on mobile?
Sauce?
>>63645351
No, I appreciate it also. GOAT cliffhanger with better characterization of stock characters than anything we had this year.
Feel like it got overshadowed with the ganger Amy bit at the end, though.
>>63646220
dude, google "one fine time lord" if you just want to try out an audio. it's free and not too bad a story
>>63646260
which did i oversee?
>>63646272
>Feel like it got overshadowed with the ganger Amy bit at the end, though.
Fucking loved that as a means of explaining the whole preggo/not preggo thing, and i liked how they have the concept of gangers established in two episodes, as well as confirming the fact that they are effectively human, so "killing her off" was pretty fucking impressive.
>>63646433
Well said. Another thing I like is the tension developed from not knowing which Doctor was the real one, the inbuilt paranoia there, plus the question of exactly how many copies of that dark-haired girl there really were running around. It was certainly more than the two explicitly mentioned.
>>63646699
gr8 b8 m8
>>63646220
http://audiobookbay.cc/audio-books/doctor-who-ipod-audiobooks-doctor-who/
http://audiobookbay.cc/audio-books/doctor-who-big-finish-large-collection-multiple/
These have a lot of Big Finish stuff, I don't know which one is best seeded. You'll have to register to download them.
A good starting point could be Blood of the Daleks, the first release of the Eighth Doctor adventures.
Either that, or just sample some stories from the early part of the Monthly Range. I recommend Spare Parts (5th Doctor), The Holy Terror (6th), The Fearmonger (7th) and The Chimes of Midnight (8th).
>>63646718
How come?
>>63646718
You are the next companion
>>63644602
You're in luck because Season 7 goes too far in the opposite direction. It's "epic" in the worst possible way.
SERIOUSLY THOUGH WHAT WAS THE MYTHOLOGY IN HELL BENT MOFFAT WAS "WORRIED" ABOUT CHANGING I DIDN'T NOTICE ANYTHING
>>63646272
>better characterization of stock characters than anything we had this year.
The only one with a personality was Cleaves (and she only develops it in part 2). There are entire characters in that two parter who are literally impossible to remember, one of whom is one of the two sole survivors at the end.
I mean I appreciate it too but characterisation of guests was not its strong point.
>>63643596
>tfw the BBC would never allow Peter Capaldi to play a mini-episode where he plays the Doctor as Malcolm Tucker
This is really all I want from life.
>>63646869
Sorry, three survivors. See what I mean?!
>>63646851
Dunno. The half-human nod? The Doctor went insane in the cloisters as a child?
>>63646851
my guess is that it was the reason the Doctor left Gallifrey, it's the Cartmel Masterplan 2.0
>>63646851
It's ok if you miss things on your first viewing. I suggest watching again, only this time turn off your phone.
>>63643954
>Doctor Who Purgatory Cruise
What do these words mean when strung together in that order?
>>63646869
I think my point was more of a dig against the characterisation of stock character THIS year, really. I have no argument against what you just said, really, except to say that I clearly remember the guy with the birthday son, the girl who had such a strong ganger, and the leader woman who had a heart defect. Me remembering just those three is more than anything from Series 9.
my fucking question is where he got the guitar from that he played in the diner. He didn't have access to his tardis and was stuck in the desert
MOFFITT!!!!
>"I totally get Hell Bent! Clara doesn't actually have that much "wiggle room", because if she dies or gets stranded before she can return to Gallifrey, the universe will be fucked up. She has to go back sooner rather than later, and the Doctor would never let her!"
>Remember that Ashildr survived for billions of years
There's no salvaging this, is there?
>>63647078
I think it's implied that he travelled around for a bit after getting dumped in the desert (where did that truck at the start come from, for example? and how did he find out the TARDIS was gone from London?).
>>63647078
...
...
...uh...no shit.
...
>>63647081
>Remember that Ashildr survived for billions of years
What does this have to do with your point, exactly? Ashildr survived for billions of years PRIOR to getting onto the TARDIS with Clara. She could still die or something.
>>63647107
Not very well ;(
>>63643304
>Series 1 at the top of the list
This has to be b8 because literally no one could think the first series was the best. Eccleston was the cat's meow but otherwise it was a total write off, prove me wrong.
>>63647154
I was hoping that Clara would have a couple of years, not a couple of trillion.
>>63647154
He's saying that if Ashildr could successfully dodge death for 5 billion years, what's to stop Clara from doing the same? Surviving for billions of years worth of time before going back to her death?
Someone PLEASE tell me Tennant and Tate have a fucking album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miolIDLT1MY
>>63647199
>implying she's actually gonna travel for a trillion years
>>63647179
Series 1 was stronger than 95% of Classic Who seasons. Your argument is nonsensical.
>>63647224
Oh I see!
Yeah sorry mate, if she's careful Clara basically has infinite wiggle room. The whole point of that setup is that she ends up just like the Doctor, eternally putting off her destiny on Gallifrey and getting out of scrapes.
>>63644845
I don't think I could go so far as to regard series 7 as being "consistently competently crafted", but I don't think it's always full-on bad. I feel that the absence of GOATs is what makes people dislike series 7 so strongly. Up until then, we'd consistently had at least one GOAT story per series. I don't think that series 7 had any, though.
>>63647179
>Dalek
>Father's Day
>The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances
>Bad Wolf / The Parting of the Ways
All great episodes. And even the weaker episodes are far from shit, unless you get triggered by farts.
>>63643096
>unironically watching le wacky British man show
>>>/tumblr/
>>63647273
>Series 1 was stronger than 95% of Classic Who seasons.
i like s1 but you know this isn't true m8
>>63647313
You... you must be new here
>>63647313
>this meme again
that cat looks like it has downs
>>63647313
You're my favorite shitposter. I want you to know that. If I ever saw you in real life I would stick my tongue all the way down your throatbut not in a gay way, in a respectful way.
>>63647283
I think series 7 is a string of okay episodes really, but the reason I don't rate it very highly is because it feels a bit like they weren't really trying. I'd be more fond of a series that tried passionately to impress and ended up a hugely mixed bag, than one that was content to be unremarkable.
>>63647343
No, he's been posting that for at least a week now.
>>63647386
So he's definitely new then. Like just off /b/ new?
>>63647378
Wasn't Moffat extremely torn between Who and Sherlock that year?
>http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/why-i-found-series-9-a-big-disappointment-79002.htm
the comments are literal autism.
I agree with the article though.
Are you excited for Ben Wheatley's cinematic adaptation of Paradise Towers /who/?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRBeZGYisLg
If not you should unalive yourself.Red Kangs are best!
so, /who/ who do you believe should be the next doctor?
I'm putting my money on Aidan Gillen
New theory: The Time Lord general was right about Clara staying gone too long damaging the universe and she was the REAL reason behind the cracks in the universe back in S5. Everyone predicted/assumed the TARDIS would explode and cause it, but we know now that never actually happened. What really cracks the universe is Clara fucking around instead of dying.
>>63643412
Does somebody have an even higher res of this?
>>63643412
GOAT SHIRT
>>63647703
>but we know now that never actually happened
But it did happen. The Doctor just cloned the universe to fix the damage
>>63647595
Following the pattern,
9 is similar to 3, a harsh, rough and ragged badass sort of Doctor,
10 is similar to 4, he's the most loved
11 is similar to 5, he's the youngest, slightly different, more of a meek doctor.
12 is similar to 6, came after the youngest Doctor, nasty/cynical personality, came shortly after a major anniversary
therefore
13 will be like 7. He'll be small, cunning and maybe a little manipulative. But above all, he'll be a jester or a trickster.
>>63647595
>Aidan Gillen
>Dr. Pavel, I'm Dr. Who
>>63647556
When the fuck is this out? BEN YOU CUNT GIVE ME THE RELEASE DATE
>>63647554
>doctorwhotv.co.uk
>guest contributor
GUEST CONTRIBUTOR
>>63647595
Julian Rhind-Tutt
>>63647777
Based 7's calls 7 as (7+7)-1 Doctor
>>63647759
For some reason I remember the TARDIS not exploding, just the Pandorica doing its thing. Am I remembering incorrectly.
>>63647378
Yeah, I guess that's a good way of putting it. There is some outstanding stuff, though. The Rings of Akhaten, for example. Although the episode lost it towards the end, the setting itself felt truly alien – potentially more alien than anything I've seen in New Who so far. The costumes and sets were great. There was definitely some effort there. I'd say the same thing about Cold War, as well. Lost it towards the end again, but it really did feel like an episode that Gatiss put effort into.
>>63647951
The TARDIS did explode, but it entered a state of perpetual explosion where it turned into a sort of mini-sun. This is what the Doctor flew the Pandorica into.
>>63647554
tldr
War Doctor audios torrent when?
>>63648096
Buy the fucking thing
>>63648080
Serie 9 = pigshit
>>63648167
Not everyone is rich like you anon
>>63648167
Already bought the physical release. Still waiting for it to ship, and I wanted it for the commute tomorrow. Calm the fuck down, Nicholas.
>>63648065
And how exactly did that reboot the universe, was that explained? I vaguely remember never really understanding WTF happened there.
>>63648167
Big Finish audios are way too expensive for what they are.
>>63647423
Nah, /fit/ and /g/ are my main stomping grounds
Just finished the first episode of war doctor. Is bretty good. To think the horrific flashes the war doctor has are hidden behind the ninth doctor's smile is incredible, though the flashbacks plot device was already used in dark eyes.
I don't see people's problem with briggs. When he sits down and breaks big events down into small, character driven dramas he's very good. More successful on the whole than RTD or Bidmead ever was.
>>63648242
If only they gave people a free download when they bought the CD, then these issues wouldn't occur.
>>63648264
Shut the fuck up.
>>63648167
Briggs made a career out of pirating Doctor Who
I'm just following in his footsteps.
>>63648302
>Being this mad
Its true
>>63648096
>>63648264
>>63648239
>>63648242
here's episode 1
http://picosong.com/Q493/
>>63648259
The Pandorica was hooked up to Amy's head and because she grew up with the crack in her wall she had memories of the entire universe and all of time. Something something the Pandorica used Amy's memories something something something energy from the TARDIS something something perfect reconstruction of the universe.
>>63648341
>http://picosong.com/Q493/
Wow. Briggs has really stepped up his game.
>>63648302
I didn't say they were bad. I'm actually quite enjoying the Eighth Doctor Adventures at the moment. But they're still pretty fucking expensive for just being audio plays.
>>63648341
I would be mad but I'm gald you didn't anything retarded like Goatsee or Screamers
>>63648341
I'm digging this
>>63648341
I'd be mad if I wasn't dancing in my chair. Well played, anon.
>>63647554
This raises a good point about Clara. For all the importance that Danny had in her life last year, he meant fuck all in Series 9. Just one reference.
Plus, that we never saw The Leaf or her 101 Places to See reccur again sticks in my craw.
>>63648360
Right.
I still don't think it makes sense but you're the man senpai
I would upload it, but there's been rumours that they embed digital watermarks into the files, like with promo CDs intended for review purposes.
>>63648259
Basically, the Pandorica was such a perfect prison it was practically a sealed reality bubble.
The moment the TARDIS exploded, it shat on every particle of space and time, except the small space inside the Pandorica which was perfectly preserved.
The Doctor theorised that, like a bit of DNA, a single particle of the original universe would be enough to recreate it from - but only if you used the restoration field inside the Pandorica (designed to keep the prisoner alive) and amped it up x100000 transmitting it to every single point in reality.
The way to do this would be to jam it into the TARDIS, which was exploding at every single point in reality.
So the Doctor rebooted the universe and everything went kablooey, while reality was rebuilding itself it filled in the spaces where Amy's missing family had been because she was able to remember them so vividly it was like "well they must have been real, in they go".
>>63648497
It was pretty poorly explained in the show.
>>63648539
They don't.
>>63648286
It's encouraging to hear that he has done small and character driven stuff this time around, I think the weariness of Briggs comes from his recent tendency to just do uninspired runarounds (see: a shitload of his Tom Baker audios)/
>>63648539
dont do it anon
>>63648341
Id be real mad if if this shit wasn't so catchy
>>63648302
Don't get mad m8. As understandable as the pricing is for a niche company Briggs runs in his basement, it's still pretty expensive.
Whoever replies to this post with trips gets to choose whether I upload the audio or not.
>>63648668
Do it.
>SJA Companion When?
>>63648668
Confirmed for not actually having it. Move along, people.
>>63648668
stop giving into thieves
big finish is a small company
they deserve the money
>>63648668
Don't do it
>>63648710
When she respawns
>>63648668
Roll
>>63648668
Don't rely on numbers, you're a free man... Oh no, that's the other series.
>>63648668
don't
>>63648710
Class when?
>>63648698
>>63648735
>>63648737
>>63648738
>>63648745
>>63648749
>>63648754
Sorry, guys! I'm afraid you've got to try harder!
>>63648668
Henry Rollins
all 13
>>63648668
Don't
>>63648737
You might be right, but $20 for 3 episodes is a hefty tag. You can buy entire seasons of American TV shows for $30, and that's 24 episodes of VIDEO content.
>>63649026
It's because they cater to a comparatively small audience. I'm not saying they don't make money, and I'm not saying that their prices are cheap. But a television show like House M.D. will probably sell more DVD/BD releases in just one season than Big Finish have overall, since they began. So this enters into it. I think that, to some extent, playing on fan mentality enters into it as well. It's like the British equivalent of those nutty Japs who spend £500 on a single figurine.
>>63649026
I love how this implies AUDIO is somehow lesser. Fucking plebs.
>>63648668
Confirmed for lying faggot
>>63649181
Yeah they are totally equal, that's why everyone still gathers around their family radio every evening, and the reason we're posting on /radio/.
>>63649181
>AUDIO is somehow lesser.
In terms of being vastly less expensive to produce and also materially consisting of less data, erm, well, yes, it is in a few senses.
Nowhere was it implied that audio is lesser in quality of entertainment. But if it was quality we were paying for, then I'd be needing a few refunds.
>>63644827
>the year of our lord 2015
>not fapping exclusively to jenna's toes
>>63649310
Sorry, babe. I guess I just won't bother then.
>>63649492
Fine by me,I don't even listen to audios
>>63649485
I wish she'd get a tit job already. I really want to ejaculate while fapping to her, but I can't get the pancakes out of my head.
>>63648668
Checkem.
>>63649552
Close, Barnable. Very close.
>>63649546
Titties look different in certain angle
>>63649492
Fuck off cunt
>>63649603
Sorry, I can't hear you over this War Doctor audio.
>>63648668
Don't and fuck off
>>63649181
It's lesser in its price to produce by a significant margin.
>>63649648
>>63649666
Told.
>>63649546
Excuse me. Those "pancakes" as you call them are a fucking STAPLE in Doctor Who lore. They are a part of the show, equal to the TARDIS and the sonic screwdriver. Integral to the very fabric of it.
>>63648668
Here.
>>63649666
Okay, then.
>>63649717
Those aren't pancakes, that's some orangutan titties
>>63649729
You gonna listen to Satan like that?
>>63649546
>>63649546
Virgin detected.
Her tits aren't GOAT by any means but they are passable as fuck homes
Also trips to cancel out that other fag's trips, drip the audio
>>63649666
The devil trips have spoken.
>>63649809
That pic makes me itchy.
Not that Anon.
I'll upload it if somebody can tell me a site where it won't be traced.
>>63649909
>what is tor?
>>63648013
Rings of Akhaten's designs with the alien market and the hovercraft thing gave me a really strong 80's Who vibe. The ending may have been wonky but it was pretty enjoyable otherwise.
>>63648492
I feel like a large part of that was that Clara was originally supposed to leave forever in Last Christmas, and they weren't sure what to do with her when she stayed on. Which is probably why we hardly see any of her life outside the TARDIS now, and why she's hardly there in certain episodes.
>>63649969
>I feel like a large part of that was that Clara was originally supposed to leave forever in Last Christmas, and they weren't sure what to do with her when she stayed on.
Well that's not quite true. To start with she was originally going to leave forever in DiH. Then she asked to stay on for Last Christmas. Then Moffat and Capaldi ambushed her to get her to stay on for S9 as well.
>>63649909
Fuck off cunt
>>63650186
Nick, cool it.
>>63649969
I thought she was more reckless because Danny died. Maybe there could have been more stuff about Danny in S9 but better having little than forcing it everywhere imo.
>>63646220
i am a huge fan of live 34 if only for the way it uses the medium to tell the story, the narrative is done as a form of news broadcasts and it works so well
I say we just discuss it without spoilers to be dicks to pirate anons who want to shit up the thread by continuously asking for piracy and telling people to fuck off(I'm pretty sure you guys are as annoying as i dont know where i am anon)
Besides,its an audio with 0 barriers to entry from big finish. I can see avoiding doom coalition because you didn't want to wade through 4 seasons and 4 boxes, but pick up and play with what is basically a whole new doctor? Either wait for it or shut up.
>>63650864
>>63650775
>>63650693
>posting the ones with fucked up colors
>>63650693
>>63650775
>>63650864
DoctorI don't know where I am
>>63650941
You're on /who/, anon.
>>63651025
John Hurt you mug
Reminder that Moffat should've fucked off with his 11 is the last Doctor and he's really gonna die this time and just had 8 be the "War Doctor"
>pretending that War Doctor doesn't exist somehow makes it so he's not in the Doctor's time stream
what?
>>63651448
Blame Eccleston
>>63651448
>pretending that War Doctor doesn't exist somehow makes it so he's not in the Doctor's time stream
But he was in the Doctor's time stream. Like that's literally the first place we ever saw him
>>63651448
>pretending that War Doctor doesn't exist somehow makes it so he's not in the Doctor's time stream
But he was in the Doctor's time stream?
If you're wondering why Clara didn't recognise him/why he had such a reserved presence in there, it's probably got something to do with the Time War, or even as Moffat himself statedthe fact you're a little gay bitch
>>63651448
>Moffat should've fucked off with his 11 is the last Doctor and he's really gonna die this time
He didn't even make much of it, the fucking Hybrid had more foreshadowing than the Drs final regeneration.
I fucking hate Moffat
>>63651493
Moffat had the option of either creating a nonsensical War Doctor, or just having 8 on his own and because of the pressure, become the "War Doctor".
He chose poorly
>>63651596
Clara didn't see him until she was out of the time stream, she saw all of his faces, and didn't see War, cause he's separate somehow even though all the Doctor can do is pretend he's not real
>>63651614
That's 'cause he's making it up as he goes along.
>>63651614
I hate you too anon
>>63651688
>she saw all of his faces, and didn't see War
Easily explained, virtually all of his time spent as War is time-locked.
>>63651614
>He didn't even make much of it, the fucking Hybrid had more foreshadowing than the Drs final regeneration.
The entirety of Smith's run was foreshadowing of the Doctor's last battle on Trenzalore, you dumbass.
>huh, what are all these cracks? the silence exploded the tardis!
>huh, why do the silence want to kill me? they don't want me to reach trenzalore and say my name!
>huh, why are there so many copies of this girl? she jumped into my timestream-corpse to protect me from the great intelligence, on trenzalore where i'd died a long time beforehand in a really long battle!
>huh, why did i die in a really long battle on trenzalore? because i had to protect the pocket-universe time lords from being attacked by daleks, cybermen etc. and starting a second time war, but i'm in my last body so i'm dead forever after this!
>wait, the time lords afforded me new lives anyway without me having to say my name, time to be scottish and grumpy
it's winding and kind of erratic but there's a definite arc
>>63651898
Except directly plugging into the Doctor's time stream lets you bypass that shit, see Listen
>>63651964
I think anon just means the aspect of him not having any more regenerations left. I mean people predicted that Moffat might count Handy, but he never really suggested it in the show (especially when we saw 11 going about using bits of regeneration energy all over the place). It was very out of left field.
I don't care personally, I think the idea of having a whole arc revolving around him running out of regens would have been a bit shit.
>>63651688
She was still in the time stream. That whole ending scene was in the time stream, maybe the Doctor and Clara's minds trying to make sense of a pan-dimensional worldline in 3-dimensional space
>DOCTOR [OC]: I'm inside my own time stream. It's collapsing in on itself.
>CLARA: Well, get out then.
>>63652073
Whatever, either way she didn't split herself in War Doctor's time doing shit even though she was plugged directly into his Time Stream, for some reason
>>63652069
>I think the idea of having a whole arc revolving around him running out of regens would have been a bit shit.
You're right. As soon as you have the foreshadowing of the year being about the Doctor regenerating (like with the 2009 specials) it becomes stupid. Everyone somehow predicting Wilf knocking four times on the glass was dumb. Instead, if you're actually having an arc leading to a regeneration, it should be about the events that get him to a specific adventure, at the end of which he regenerates. So Matt's arc was about ending up on Trenzalore (funny how that Doctor's journey to his death started literally 5 minutes into his first episode with the crack), and Chris's arc was about ending up on the Gamestation run by Bad Wolf corp.
>>63651964
You're an idiot
>>63652069
This guy gets it but's still an idiot. A whole arc maybe not but the whole
>ohno it ma last regen
>lolno it's not
Out of fucking nowhere was proper shit and basically proof Moffat just makes it up as he goes along.
>>63652214
time war bruv
>>63652257
I'm not an idiot, and it was just Moffat getting the whole '13 regenerations allowed' out of the window. If there is such a limit, surely what 10 did in Journey's End would definitely use it up? The series has always been slightly ambiguous about there being an actual limit, but the moment NuWho declared there to be one it was pretty clear that 10 used up two of the 13. Also War Doctor was a cool idea and made the Time War seem like an even worse hell that it was a Doctor we wouldn't even recognise as our Doctor fighting it.
>>63652270
Listen bruv, plugging directly into a person's time stream lets you go where you normally can't.
and nothing is as unprotected as jumping directly to and into the whole time stream rather than using a Tardis with defenses or whatever off
>>63652375
>Also War Doctor was a cool idea and made the Time War seem like an even worse hell that it was a Doctor we wouldn't even recognise as our Doctor fighting it.
Nah, he even seemed to take pride in having fought in "this" or "that" or having seen shit. Him fighting didn't even make him seem bad considering 10 even said he tried to save Davros during the War
>>63652375
>War Doctor was a cool idea and made the Time War seem like an even worse hell that it was a Doctor we wouldn't even recognise as our Doctor fighting it.
Except that all that "I can't call myself the Doctor" shit was for nothing, because he DOES call himself the Doctor and literally the only things we see him do during the Time War are shoot a wall, knock over some Daleks, and completely avoid actually harming anyone while ending the war.
What we were teased with was the idea that we'd finally see the Doctor, in the Time War, actually fighting ruthlessly and doing things that would make us wonder how that could be the Doctor. But what we got was a whole bunch of LITERALLY NOTHING.
>>63652375
Talk to when your breath doesn't stink of Moffucks cock you cunt
>>63652464
hav i not made myself clear
if there's ever a time travel-related plot logic discrepancy in modern doctor who, the answer is: Time War, Faction Paradox, Order of the Black Sun, or cracks in Time, depending in which period of the show's history they crop up.
Turning McGann into 'the one wot did the genocide' would basically require creating a new version of his character and a complete NuWho-based distortion of his already fragmented 'era', Moffat had the sense to leave it alone. Also McGann was probably busy, NotD was done in like 2 days.
Frankly you'd think people had gotten over it seeing how much talk of the Hurt boxsets there was.
>>63652912
McGann didn't really have a "fragmented era" so much as he had a singular movie. Unless you count the audios, I guess, but those are loose canon in regards to the TV show and can be overwritten as necessary.
>>63652653
But that was the doctor on the day of the doctor. In this episode he was the closest the war doctor ever was to being the doctor.
In the war doctor box set his first move is to blow himself and an entire dalek fleet up to destroy the daleks' time travel capabilities in the skies above gallifrey. That's less than 10 minutes in and he's killed the most daleks since 7 with their own weapon. And he did it here, not Davros.
>>63652654
woah!
>>63652653
>Except that all that "I can't call myself the Doctor" shit was for nothing, because he DOES call himself the Doctor
Nah, he doesn't until just before he regenerates (which the incarnations afterwards can't remember anyway). Other Time Lords might still call him the Doctor but he's abandoned the name.
>WARRIOR: Stop calling me Doctor.
>MOMENT: That's the name in your head.
>WARRIOR: It shouldn't be. I've been fighting this war for a long time. I've lost the right to be the Doctor.
He doesn't call himself the Doctor.
>literally the only things we see him do during the Time War are shoot a wall, knock over some Daleks
Because we were only getting snippets of the last day of the Time War and a tiny selection of events. The episode was in no way relaying huge chunks of the Time War, just what was relevant to the Moment-dragging-together-3-incarnations plot.
>and completely avoid actually harming anyone while ending the war.
Again, this was not something he was originally going to do. His plan for the whole episode was marching to the barn with the Moment and killing fucking everyone. The Moment, morally conscious super-weapon that it is, tried to convince him otherwise by shifting him across time to see his future selves. Then, because he'd been shifted, the future versions of himself came back to be there with him so he wouldn't be alone. But wait, the oldest of the 3 has a bright spark of an idea - cup a soup la-di-da. Also if you think Gallifrey should've never returned you're a thoroughly boring person.
>actually fighting ruthlessly and doing things that would make us wonder how that could be the Doctor. But what we got was a whole bunch of LITERALLY NOTHING.
It's better not knowing definitively everything that happened in the Time War, leaves the mind free to wander in horrific paths.
>>63652552
>Nah, he even seemed to take pride in having fought in "this" or "that" or having seen shit.
When was this?
>>63652912
Sound like a lot of excuses defending a hack writer to me
>>63653076
>literally gargling Moffucks cum
Fuck off cunt
>>63652986
Nobody's gonna bother trying to overwrite most of them though.
>>63653131
I'm sorry
his cum is delicious
>>63652986
There's the DWM comics, the books and the audios. These were all thought to be worthwhile in the post-Movie wilderness years because they were the only Doctor Who we had. However, the 3 McGanns in each format don't really match up as one coherently characterised incarnation, each one taking different elements of the TV Movie performance and building on it. A Day of the Doctor McGann at the end of his life who was super grim and dour and war-weary and didn't believe himself worthy of his future incarnations would've been another unnecessarily incoherent addition.
>>63653131
I'm not, you just seem to be very confused about what actually happened in some recent episodes. Maybe you should rewatch them?
>>63653095
To be fair though, he has a point: the audios leading up to the new series( ending with The Next Life) were dark, but far from war doctor levels of dark. That didn't start happening until the edas which happened. And remember, moff's favorite 8 story is chimes of midnight. Could anyone picture Charley/pre-zagreus era eight as the war doctor?
>>63653131
reminder that only children get this mad about children's television.
>but muh war doctor wasn't realistically angsty enough to warrant being a different non-doctor incarnation, which throws out the numbering system and confuses the canon for when i'm writing my tardis index file articles >:(
day of the doctor was entertaining, which is all this dinky little tv show ever needs to be
>>63653425
But why wasn't your post in this thread entertaining?
>>63653468
because 4chan is about being serious and insulting one another very seriously, you stinky turd
>>63653425
>this strawman
>this delusion
>>63653468
You are the cancer that's killing /who/
>>63653590
But why wasn't this post insulting?
>>63653425
>if you don't like the show or a showrunner you must be a child
Wow.
>>63653684
There is no strawman or delusion. You can't get mad at this kid's tv show because you didn't get what you wanted or 'deserved' from it. It's kid's telly that can sometimes be very clever and interesting and fun and exciting to watch (surprisingly more so than 'adult' telly), and sometimes can have bad eggs. The Day of the Doctor wasn't a bad egg, despite how much you want to greentext about it. It matched everything for pretty good, entertaining Doctor Who, a series which you should only have a casual attachment to. Sure, you can consume all kinds of Doctor Who media and eventually amass quite a lot of knowledge about it, but pretending that would mean it 'owes' you what you want to see (the Doctor acting violently in the Time War on screen) is autistic and childish. It's the rabid, angry, diehard fans that die first - blood pressure, I'm told.
>>63653876
Its not like there isnt big finish for them anyways. Besides, edgy violent doctor who was the 6th doctor's first season and we all know it was a shit idea that nearly killed the show.
>>63653727
This showrunner has produced some of this children's television show's best moments, and he's also produced some stinkers. But the claims being made in this thread that the concept of the War Doctor or Matt Smith being the final regeneration weren't well realised or executed ideas within the bubble of their own episodes has degraded to 'your breath smells like the showrunner's cum, haha', which isn't the same thing as trying to make a coherent argument, free of bias or buzzwords, as to why these ideas weren't actually well realised or executed. And if you dislike the show, stop watching it, unless (shock, horror) Doctor Who is incredibly erratic and has had some of its best stories next to some of its worst (The Caves of Androzani and The Twin Dilemma, The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit being the week before Fear Her, Sleep No More being only two weeks before Heaven Sent, etc.), and trying to argue that the series is currently hitting a bad patch because of its 'showrunner' would be in disagreement with the basic trend the series usually follows. For example, there were good telly stories during Six's run (Vengeance on Varos, Revelation of the Daleks, The Mysterious Planet, Terror of the Vervoids), and it's a misappropriation of the truth to pretend as though you can tar that whole era as shit.
>>63653970
I liked his first season
>>63654161
*The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit being the week before Love & Monsters
>>63653970
Nah, the idea itself wasn't bad. They just had the most incompetent writers of the entire show working on the series at the time.
>>63653876
>>63654161
You're argument is you're right because it's a kids show. You are the cancer that's killing /who/ and you absolutely wreak of Moffats cock.
>>63653876
>>63654161
Sure used a lot of words to say fuck all man. I don't know who you're responding to but it wasn't any of the points I made
>>63651688
Because the Great Intelligence didn't do that bit. They saw the Time War and shit themselves.
>>63651688
Or the Great Intelligence went into the Time War but War killed it in the most monstrous way so Clara didn't have to do anything.
>>63646947
Doctor Who is where acting careers go to die
Big Finish is where Doctor Who careers go to die.
But where do you go when your Big Finish career dies?
The Doctor Who Purgatory Cruise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36pK4UiMptk
(We actually really need to make a page for this on the wiki)
>>63647556
>tfw no shabogans
>>63653076
>>Nah, he even seemed to take pride in having fought in "this" or "that" or having seen shit.
Every time he says he saw this or was there for that, or laughed in the face of the Nightmare Child.
You don't keep mentioning shit you try and deny so badly you were a part of that you didn't consider yourself the Doctor, especially when you continue to refer to it as yourself having been there for things or done those things.
>>63654432
>>63654577
I already made all my rebuttals to any points actually brought up about it here in this post >>63653076
The only reply I got was being told I gargle cum. I'm not complaining about being insulted but about you guys pretending that the only reason someone would defend The Day of the Doctor/The Time of the Doctor is because they, like you, have autistically extreme opinions about the show and its lead creative mind. You vest all your (valid) negative opinions about the decisions made in an (invalid) irrational hatred of the tv guy behind it. You want a name and face to get mad at, which is childish even on an adult tv series, doubly so for kid's tv.
>>63654432
>i dont like the show direction. Better accuse anyone who does of sucking moffat's cock
>As long as i try to be edgy and insulting i dont have to share my ideas on how the show should be run because no one will give a fuck about my opinion
>>63654870
>Every time he says he saw this or was there for that, or laughed in the face of the Nightmare Child.
These are later incarnations (10 in particular) referring to horrible things they've done in order to intimidate horrible opponents to whom intimidation and being horrible are bread and butter. There is no point where 10 talks about these things as if he is proud of them, he's just using them as a warning and a reminder, like the scene with the Eleventh Doctor at the end of The Eleventh Hour. How did you miss this?
>>63654743
But he'd be at multiple parts of the Time War
>>63652552
>10 even said he tried to save Davros during the War
During the first year of the war. He was definitely still 8 at that point.
>>63654161
> Fear Her
Personally, I think Fear Her is a good example of why "It's a show for children!" is not a good defense argument for when an episode turns out shit.
>>63655021
Then refer to my first response.
>>63647739
Doubtful. The original color photo is a licensed stock photo. The highest resolution is 3,312 x 4,704 and the license to use it costs $575.
>>63655119
What first response?
>>63655018
But SHOULD he have? Personally im of the opinion that RTD was very flawed in his idea behind 10. I mean, compare the freak out he has in series 9 about the war to tennants "threats". Is threatening with the time war really fitting someone who had ptsd like 9 had or does it cheapen the damage the time war did to him?
>>63655054
My argument isn't that you use "It's a show for children!" that to defend shit episodes (I rip into Fear Her as much as the next man), but rather that "It's a show for children!" is a good argument for not getting irrationally butthurt over episodes you didn't like, or getting irrationally butthurt over people liking episodes you didn't like, or getting irrationally butthurt over people disliking episodes you did, in fact, like. I'm not a huge fan of The Chimes of Midnight. There, I said it. Or, at least, I think it's overrated. I find it a bit dry and a teeny bit boring I don't even think it's best Shearman-Eight-Charley (for me that's Natural History of Fear). I never got scared listening to Chimes and I didn't find the plot to knock me off my feet. I'm used to long, drawn out stories (I love Genesis of the Daleks, for example), but Chimes doesn't do it for me. People often cite it here as an example of great Big Finish, yet I never tell them they're gargling Shearman's cum, because I'm not a crazed sperg obsessed with people agreeing with me. I never turn the enjoyment or dislike of a story by someone into an imaginary batting match between me, them and the creator of that story. I quite liked Sleep No More, or I found the direction and ideas interesting at least (I never got why people found the sleep crust monsters so ridiculous) but I didn't get into shitflingers with people on /who/ that were ripping on it. However, if someone misses the way a narrative has actually functioned (ie claiming the events of The Time of the Doctor weren't foreshadowed at all, ever, by Moffat, when we heard the word 'Trenzalore' as far back as 2011, and in TNOTD it's revealed as the Doctor's grave) then I'll correct them.
>>63655449
So you samefagged two responses?
And no. GI wouldn't even have control over where he split
New thread! Abandon this shit!
>>63655500
>>63655478
Fair enough on that, although it's really just best not to get that frustrated over dumb accusations like that. It's doesn't really matter how long and detailed your posts are since they'll pretty much only ever point towards the bits that confirm their bias.
>>63655334
>does it cheapen the damage the time war did to him?
Idk maybe. Then again it's interesting to see the character struggle with his PTSD not via sadness or heartbreak like with Eccleston or the Zygon Inversion speech, but rather use the terrible things he did as a shield against facing himself. Reminds me of those school shooters who found refuge in audacity by claiming they were proud of what they've done. I mean, I never truly believed those kinds of people are 'psychopaths', because I think that's just a sensationalised word and a way of assuming that it's illness or broken-ness, and that you can properly differentiate these people from the rest of society and there's a logical, biological explanation for their evil that people from every day society can say with impunity they do not have - 'I am not a psychopath'. It's a childish way of running from the facts about humanity, that everyone is capable of horrible things and great violence because basically we're just wild animals trying to construct meaning and purpose and happiness. Sorry I lost my train of through here but I do think that sometimes when one does horrible things there is always a part of yourself that is proud of the ingenuity, at least, that is proud of the violence (because the thrill and buzz of violence is in our DNA). And if you are working through the fallout of the things you've done you might use a facade of pride as, like I said, a shield against having to face the real horribleness of your actions.
You're right about 10 being torn in several directions in his characterisation, though. Just imagine if the Eck had stayed on past The Parting of the Ways and been laboured with Series 2.
>>63655733
You're right of course, I just take a lot of unnecessary words to explain myself.
>>63654432
>You're argument is you're right because it's a kids show.
haha that's not his argument at all. man how are people this dumb
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