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best episode of nuwho edition
>>63124851
Fuck off, no it wasn't
half-human on his mother's side
>Timelords still decked out as imperial guards from 40K
Way to fuck up how to present them
Best episode of classic and nuwho. 10/10
>>63124883
kill yourself you dumb pleb
go watch end of time
>There is no such thing as a Dalek Hybrid, the Daleks would never allow it!
Nth for Capaldi will never fist your ass like that unbreakable wall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yak3ujqxDw
>>63124851
Agreed, one of the best episodes ever!
>>63124851
FUCK OFF HE LEFT GALLFREY BECAUSE HE WAS FUCKING SCARED AND IT LOOKS LIKE THAT CUNT MOFFATS MAKING HIM HALF HUMAN
Fucking pleb:
https://twitter.com/Scooby_Who/status/670709696349736962
It was a pretty great episode, yes...
BUT
would you ever really watch it again? I imagine it would be pretty boring a second time around.
>>63124910
Fuck off and go back to sucking your own dick Moffat
Hybrid is such a dangerous secret he spends 2 billion years protecting it just to tell it to the camera after he escapes
What
HEAVEN SENT
HELL BENT
CHRONO WENT
>>63124915
To be fair, Sec was a pretty shit Dalek
>>63124915
Famously got assploded by the daleks though, didn't he.
>>63124915
Didn't they keep him as a Guinea pig
I was pretty lukewarm about this season, but THIS episode was really fucking good.
>>63124915
It's true, the otber Daleks rejected hybrid Sec.
>>63124935
go back to reddit tennant
>>63124915
They were the most open minded Daleks ever
And they executed him for it
So the whole point was that every single room in the entire thing reset to exactly the condition it was in, except room 12?
TV Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yak3ujqxDw
ok, how is he a half human? what did i miss?
>>63124935
Fuck offerino
Why didn't the Doctor just regenerate and blast the diamond wall to shit like he did the Daleks in Time of the Doctor?
Nothing to lose since he could just create another him if it fails anyway
Best episode? No
Best ending? Of Who full stop. It was perfect. The dying right, the loop, the slightly changing story, the kind of surprise finally breaking through, the soundtrack, the hybrid confirmation.
I'm pretty sure I'm about to jizz.
I haven't posted here in years.
But that was the greatest episode of all time.
>>63124984
The Movie
fucking incredible episode
moffat delivered the goods
capaldi was amazing as usual
fucking gallifrey hype
>>63124921
Huh, I saw rusty
Can someone explain what that episode was about.
Maisie is back fuck yeah
>>63124915
That's why they'd never allow it. No one wants to go through that again.
>>63124931
Probably not. Good with how it plays out. Nice cinematography, great ideas. But when you realise you're watching just one in a line of millions of doomed Doctors, it does lose some of its impact.
Variation would've been nice.
>>63124960
>implying reddit's not gonna love this episode
It's perfect for plebs
The Valeyard, baby, the Valeyard!
>>63125010
GOOGLE IT YOU FUCKING RETARD
>>63124915
Hybrid is usually bred where's Sec was a fusion
GOAT episode.
Gallifrey is back.
Capaldi a best.
Golden age NOW.
>>63124972
>dat no coat outfit
GOOOOOOOATTTT
>>63125004
in a funny twist it was actually the first doctor who thing i saw. But i was young and had no idea wtf.
>>63124972
I said GOATDAMN
Since when is him running because he was bored a thing, thought it was canon that it was some ptsd type shit that caused him to pussy out?
>>63124984
his mother's side
I'd have been satisfied if this was the last episode of Doctor Who.
Once they revealed that he was in a time loop, they could have left it and then maybe pick it up again in 10 years.
>12 CONFIRMED VALEYARD
So will we see the Clara that jumped in to his time stream?
>>63125010
GALLIFREY IS BACK PLATNIUM AGEEE
>Get off your arse
How many complaints are the beeb gonna get lads?
OFFICIAL THREAD MUSIC RIGHT HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOr0na6mKJQ
>>63125080
This, So much this!
>>63125075
Huh?
Always gave me the impression that it was stuffy old Gallifrey being stuffy old Gallifrey that made him piss off to everywhere/everywhen else.
*Seen the preview*
IN THE FARM, ISN'T THAT THE WOMAN FROM THE END OF TIME EPISODE?
why does this shit show get a general but GoT doesn't?
I'm legit curious
So why didn't the diamond wall in room 12 reset like literally everything else?
It took 10 years but the Timelords are finally back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yak3ujqxDw
Oh boy this is gonna suck next week.
>>63124972
Why is there an Earth pickup truck at 11 seconds?
That was the most intense, dark episode of Doctor Who ever, surely?
Fucking brilliant too. Capaldi might be the most perfect casting of the Doctor ever.
>>63125137
Because time magic.
>>63125136
GoT isn't currently showing new episodes
I haven't been here in like a month and I just caught up on the last 4 episodes (up to Face the Raven).
What did every think of those episodes?
I thought Harness really stepped up his game with the Zygon episodes. Much better than Kill the Moon, and I actually liked Kill the Moon.7/10 for each.
Sleep No More was... eh. It reminded me too much of Under the Lake and Before the Flood. 5/10 pretty average, liked the ending scene though, genuinely spooky.
Face the Raven was just... damn. I didn't know Clara was going to die cause I've been living under a rock, and it hit me really hard. I almost can't believe she's gone. 8.5/10
RTD BTFO
T
D
RTD RETCONNED
The TV trailer makes it look like we are getting The Valeyard, but he's calling himself 'The Hybrid'.
>>63125128
Only seen new who, huh
>>63125110
Arseloads.
>>63125145
I'm mostly just getting "waistcoat Capaldi" from this
NEW
>>63124994
>>63124994
>>63124994
>>63124994
NEW THREAD
>>63125151
after 2 million years gotta go back to modern day London lmao
Damn Casualty is fucking brutal
>>63125136
It's currently airing and actually has new content surrounding it always releasing, also we stick to our general, unlike GoT.
GoT will have generals again when it airs.
>>63125162
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE YOU FOOL GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN
>mfw that was probably one of the best episodes in NuWho
I can forgive series 9 now
>>63125178
>already
Fuck off.
>People excited for next week
C'mon, you know how it's been this series guys. Good first episode, then a shitty follow up that doesn't live up to it's predecessor.
>>63125141
For now.
It won't last. Book it.,
>Dat undisguised TARDIS in the trailer
>Dat 60s interior
>Punching the general
Goddamn
>>63125178
>72 posts
nigga fuck off
>>63125178
Fuck off you fat waste of space
>>63125134
DOCTOR'S MUM CONFIRMED
SUSAN CONFIRMED
MCGANN CONFIRMED
>>63125162
Yeah, I'd pretty much agree with you on all of those.I think I might prefer Kill the Moon, though. But only by a narrow margin.
Sooooo, what was the point? Was the Doctor supposed to die? Be stuck forever? Confess...something about the hybrid, which is himself?
Why didn't the stars reset themselves if it was all some kind of Timelord simulation? That way he couldn't have worked out how to win.
Why didn't the barrier reset itself, instead of gradually weakening?
Why did the creature keep accepting confessions it had heard before, if they had to be new ones?
I feel like the 'resetting' thing wasn't explained or thought out well enough.
>>63125110
after the watershed so who cares?
HE'S HALF HUMAN
>https://twitter.com/Paul_Cornell/status/670711340802142208
>>63125162
>I thought Harness really stepped up his game with the Zygon episodes. Much better than Kill the Moon, and I actually liked Kill the Moon. 7/10 for each.
It was a good episode and than Doctor made a speech composed of 100% refined bullshit instantly bringing it down.
>Sleep No More was... eh. It reminded me too much of Under the Lake and Before the Flood. 5/10 pretty average, liked the ending scene though, genuinely spooky.
Stupid monster explaination and generally boring
>Face the Raven was just... damn. I didn't know Clara was going to die cause I've been living under a rock, and it hit me really hard. I almost can't believe she's gone.
It was a really good episode, I think.
He did an awful lot of bird in that prison.
>>63124851
>Endless eight: Doctor Who edition.
It was fucking shit.
>>63124972
My dick literally cannot get any harder
Thank you based Moffat
Thank you based Capaldi
Thank you based Talalay
>>63124990
Too injured to regenerate otherwise he wouldn't be afraid of the veil - regeneration isn't guaranteed unless high council authorises an asspull
>>63125137
Because they wanted him to confess who the Hybrid was. Why make it harder on the last part of the puzzle?
>>63125125
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-SBNgu1hO4
Reading comments on Facebook about the episode is a bad idea.
>>63125199
LITERALLY THE BEST EPISODE OF NUWHO
Seriously. Not even joking. Name a better episdoe than this. You fucking cant.
>>63125237
MOTHER'S SIDE
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>>63124972
Clara fucking confirmed, Jesus Christ, Moffat's gonna do it, he's gonna make Clara another Time Lord/human hybrid, the absolute madman
>willing to die trillions and trillions of times over for 2 billion years to protect the secret of the hybrid
>once he's done just walks out onto the gallifreyan desert and puts his sunglasses on and says the secret of the hybrid
I love it
>>63125245
Shut the fuck pleb
>>63125226
We'll get the answers to at least some of those next week.
The biggest question is why the fuck Gallifrey is on the other end of a confession dial.
>>63125211
Nah, it's usually been the opposite this series.
>>63125136
Also /who/ actually contains it self to at least a thread rather than creating several and simultaneously shitting in 20 others.
>>63125198
AHHHHH OK I'M SORRY I FORGOT A NEW EPISODE IS OUT THAT I HAVEN'T WATCHED
>>63124994
>>63124994
JUMP SHIP JUMP SHIP
>>63124994
>>63124994
>>63124994
>>63125226
>Why didn't the stars reset themselves if it was all some kind of Timelord simulation? That way he couldn't have worked out how to win.
Did you watch the episode? It was his confession dial which the TL had.
>>63125254
Because if there was no way out he's have had to confess eventually, rather than die a trillion times.
>>63125294
idiot
>every room but the 12th room resets
BRAVO
>>63125264
>ywn hold her hand
>>63125302
STOP BEING RETARDED NIGGER
>>63125226
He just had to be stuck there. In a neverending torture chamber. Hell, basically.
And the barrier I guess was the barrier between it and the real world, so not entirely governed by the same rules.
Will 12 go nuclear?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XmDYJBZZdc
>>63125075
He meant at the start of original Who, not 2005.
>>63125178
I made that thread because I'm a retard who can't read.
I also forgot the title but now I can't delete it.
>>63125245
>muh annie may
ha yeah I'm for sure going to take your opinions seriously
>>63125265
What he told that kid was just stupid too
What is the kid gonna do? Storm into Gallifrey high command and say 'some guy came the long way round'
>>63125317
not even my thread desu
>>63124915
They were literally a sect of Daleks created to think outside of the box and not rigidly subscribe to the typical Dalek mindset.
And the others were still so fucking disgusted that they killed him.
Sec a shit. Went too far with it.
>>63125237
>https://twitter.com/Paul_Cornell/status/670711340802142208
LITERALLY FUCKING DROPPED
>>63125302
Go suck Mike's dick Connor.
>>63125264
It's actually going to be the fucking Weeping Angels set up isn't it? I'm pretty happy because it sounded great, all the little things building up to it.
>>63125264
Clara is not coming back, this delusion needs to stop.
>everyone claiming she was back because of the shots of jenna from this episode's filming
>episode airs
>btfo
The same will happen next saturday. Mark my fucking words.
>>63125260
>"The... uh, The Doctor Dances?"
>"Th-the Pandorica Opens!"
>"...Mummy on the Orient Express?"
Fuck it, you're right
>>63125307
But he didn't know he was dying until the end. he thought he'd die and that'd it be rather than doing it a trillion times.
>>63125010
Time lords used maisie to kill Clara to get the doctor to use his confession dial so they could torture him for billions of years so they could find out the secret of the Hybrid
And turns out by doing that they turned him INTO the Hybrid
>>63125249
But why not regenerate before the thing can hurt him? He clearly has regeneration energy since Davros leeched some of it
If this episode impressed you, you are stupid.
'Let's go into the Doctor's mind! It's dark and mysterious. Oooo, it might be bad! And the Doctor likes people so he wouldn't like solitary confinement! This is good riting!!"
You're stupid.
>>63125371
TOLD YOU NIGGA
nothing comes close to this perfection
>>63125332
Too late, I've stolen it.
>>63124994
>>63124994
NEW THREAD
>>63124994
>>63124994
>>63125353
How the fuck did those daleks even come to exist? Why would the dale!s allow what were essentially autistic daleks to survive?
The Other?
>>63125380
yeah I get that
but why?
Moffat won't resurrect bullshit long-retconned line from ill-received TV-movie. Right? Right?
>no Missy in the finale
FUCK YOU MOFFAT FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
YOU BRING THE TIME LORDS BACK BUT MISSY FUCKS OFF? FUCK YOU
>>63125226
>why aren't all the answers to questions posed in the first part of a two-part story answered in the first part?
REMINDER THAT THE TELEPORT DIDN'T SEND HIM BACK IN TIME. IT JUST REBUILT HIM FROM THE RECORDED INFORMATION OF HIS IMPRINT STILL IN THE TELEPORT HARD DRIVE. THE 2 BILLION YEARS HAPPENED PROGRESSIVELY AND CONVENTIONALLY, THE DOCTOR JUST DIDN'T REMEMBER THEM BECAUSE HE PERSONALLY KEPT GETTING RESET, NOT THE CASTLE AROUND HIM.
REMINDER THAT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY 0 TIME TRAVEL IN THIS EPISODE, AND JUST TELEPORT MATTER REPETITION.
>>63125394
>RTD on suicide watch
That was pretty gud.
>>63125419
Are you kidding? Course he will. He loves messing with things like that.
>>63125237
>Doctor Who: The Movie is now 100% confirmed canon once more
CAN'T CAN THE MCGANN
>>63125371
>Thinking the Mummy episode was even better that average let alone among the very best
Jesus fuck in general your picks are awful.
>>63125419
There's a reference to the movie next week.
I hate you Moffat and your shitty writing skills...Thank God that Capaldi is an awesome actor so the episodes now only half-shit...I feel sorry for Capaldi...
>people didn't know he was always half human
Turns out the formula for perfect Who is to remove everything else except for Capaldi
>>63125461
GET OUT
>>63125465
Truly he was heaven sent.
>>63125136
Got had autists who did heaven sent loop for the first 300 posts each thread
I don't think the doctor is a hybrid. I think it was a ruse when he claimed there was a hybrid and said it to piss off the timelords. He left them chasing ghosts through eternity. The doctor is the rusemaster.
>>63125260
Amy's Choice
Why do I even come to post episode threads? Shit moves too quickly to be noticed.
>>63125305
So he was just looking up at the stars outside the dial? But then he'd have known he was on Gallifrey.
>>63125455
It was just meant to represent general panicked suggestions. I just selected three I remember being good, my actual favourite isA Town Called Mercy
>>63125452
Is he running some kind of insurance fraud scheme?
>>63125454
But he can do The McGann Can Can with you!
https://youtu.be/Jv_glfYFFvg
>>63125420
>missy has a good idea at the end of episode 2
>is never seen again
>>63125463
I always assumed that the Doctor was half human from watching that movie as a kid.
Someone told me that I had him confused with Spock who actually is half human on his mothers side.
>>63125302
WE'LL USE YOUR PRECIOUS THREAD IN AROUND 40 MINUTES BASED OFF CURRENT POSTING UNTIL THEN FUCK RIGHT OFF
>>63125497
LMAO NOT EVEN CLOSE
TRY AGAIN BITCH NIGGA
>>63125465
Re-recorded versions of all new-who episodes with Capaldi when?
Moffat haters on twitter trying to act like RTD could write something half that good.
KILL YOURSELVES
>>63125305
i still dont get it, could someone please elaborate? I am not a native english speaker, and I am usually pretty good with understanding spoken words, but scottish accent + loud music dont work for me
But how could he have been sure that each incarnation would do things the EXACT same way? I mean fuck, one of them could have been burned by the creature and ended up fucking dying whilst climbing up the stars, and that'd be that.
>>63125503
Oh fair enough, that is a pretty good pick. We can be friends.
>>63125507
thank you for reminding me of this masterpiece
>>63125495
Did he say it to the kid? I thought he said it after the kid ran off.
REMINDER: Next week see's The Doctor destroying Gallifrey
THE VALEYARD BABY THE VALEYARD!
>>63125137
Why would it? The skull didn't disappear each time from the lake
Of course that messes up the energy thing since there would be energy loss
>>63125509
>missy has a good idea at the end of episode 2
>is never seen again
she has to come back
r-right?
>>63125524
nah, I wanna see an all-Capaldi remake of The Web Planet
>>63125521
Hide
>>63125536
Everywhere within the castle was within crawling distance of the teleporter room.
This thing was designed FOR HIM remember.
>>63125524
>Love & Monsters with Capaldi
>Fear Her with Capaldi
>Let's Kill Hitler with Capaldi
I wouldn't want to wish such shit on him
>>63124851
This seems like shit posting but honestly, this genuinely was the best episode of Nuwho.
>>63125529
LMAO
>>63125554
>implying he'll murder all those kids again
>muh valeyard
it'll be shit like all moffat finales.
>>63125536
The fist time he's about to die, goes to copier and hopes for the best, hundreds of thousand of years later realise he's been doing everything the exact same way because of all his skulls
>>63125529
RTD could never write something as terrible.
>>63125529
Midnight was my favourite episode before Heaven Sent. But Heaven Sent makes Midnight look like like a 1/10.
>>63125554
>THE VALEYARD BABY
Not sure how I'd feel about this.Child actors on this show tend not to be good, but a baby playing the Valeyard?
MATT IS BACK BITCHES
THE HYBRID WILL STAND ON THE RUINS OF GALLIFREY
FUCKING TIMELORD RESET INCOMING LADS BRACE YOURSELVES
>>63125594
But he was an exact copy of the first time he arrived, so he never aged.
Fun at parties, I know.
>>63125560
The skulls weren't part of the rooms or the castle though, they were the Doctor's, just like his clothes, the window, the flower and the diamond wall were all part of the castle and should have reset.
>>63125594
incredible
Did anyone else almost freak out during that last sequence from him plugging himself into the teleporter and roasting his fucking body to death just to power it onwards? Like a tightening in your chest?
This was some I Have No Mouth But I Must Scream level dark shit. The fucking endless repetition.
>>63125137
Because it was made that way. That's literally the reason.
Comment from a woman called Andie Langridge on the Doctor Who facebook page:
"Congratulations Moffat you've managed to create an episode worse than Sleep No More. The background music is too loud you can hardly hear the dialouge, the story line is weak and the only scary aspect of this episode is that there is a second part to it. Poor at best. And i am gutted because i love doctor who but what Moffat has created is dismal"
So did he age? Is it the real Doctor or a copy?
>>63125430
isn't that obvious?
>>63125619
>Fun at parties, I know.
Don't feel ashamed of understanding basic concepts, anon.
>>63125603
go the fuck to bed davies
>>63125529
If RTD wrote this pile of shit mediocrity,it would at least know it's hackish garbage and not be this fucking pleased with itself
Where the FUCK IS TIMOTHY DALTON
Why did the continuity announcer say 'if you hadn't guessed it yet, there's a big shock coming up in a minute'?
Was it the mention of regeneration? He's on Gallifrey though, that clearly doesn't have to be him.
Did you see the whopper coming?
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-teases-massive-cliffhanger-64015.htm
>>63125637
Teleporters man, Startrek can't even figure this out.
>>63125659
UP YOUR ASS
>>63125637
It's not a copy, he didn't age it's just him replicated exactly the same from when he left the trap street. Watch some damn Star Trek.
>>63125636
lmao how can one person be so pleb
i feel sorry for them
Wait, so if the Time Lords wanted to, they could've kept making a shitload of Time Lord clones if they wanted, like enough for an army?
Could something like that be how they "brought" back Rassilon for the Time War?
WATCHED THE TV TRAILER FOR HELL BENT
THE DOCTOR PUNCHES THE GENERAL
THE DOCTOR IS COMMANDING SHIPS WHICH ARE DESTROYING THE CITADEL
VALEYARD
CON
FIRMED
>>63125637
All iterations of the Doctor generated from the same source.
>>63125634
my blood did pump a little faster yeah
>>63125636
The one good thing to come out of this series is that everyone is in universal agreement that Sleep No More is utter shit.
>MFW Americans can't into 2 billion years.
>>63125537
>Western meets Frankenstein
>great 'alien'
>mortal grey everywhere, no real bad guy or good guy
>Bowtie man at his least bowtie-ish
>Companion preachiness almost non-existent
>and last of all, actually shot in a desert/well made simulacrum unlike my other favourite BBC science fiction show's western-themed episodeGunmen of the Apocalypse from Red Dwarf VI
yeah
>>63125659
Not in the episode.
>>63125611
This looks like a hybrid between Tennant and Smith. GOAT.
>>63125664
I think I did.
I had the idea that it was the same skull early on and that thought led to it being Capaldi but I dropped it.
>>63125226
The confessions were new for each clone - the creature was the dial so it just sensed he saw it as a new confession
>>63125674
Just read through the comments on the latest post from the official facebook page. What the fuck is wrong with them?
>>63125664
honestly i don't care that bbc spoiled the cliffhanger
it made the episode way more hype for me
IF THE DOCTOR DIED SOME OF THE TIME BEFORE HE HIT THE DIAMONDS THEN WHO WAS LEVER?
>>63125664
Nah, haven't been to Burger King in a while.
>>63125634
It was 2spooky.
Great stuff from our Lord Moffat.
I heard a rumor of the doctor "Degenerating" instead of "Regenerating".
The fuck is this?
>>63125686
I'm still only just recovering from it. Fucking weird, Doctor Who has never made me feel like this before, more the feeling I associate with a sleep paralysis nightmare.
ROMANA WHEN???
>>63125423
You really expect a satisfying resolution, and not just a couple of lines that don't really make any sense?
>>63125670
So nothing happened at all in that episode?
>>63125717
>Reading any kind of Facebook/YouTube comments
Why would you do that to yourself?
High up in the north, in the land called Svithjod, there stands a rock. It is a hundred miles high and a hundred miles wide. Once every thousand years a little bird comes to this rock to sharpen its beak.
When the rock has thus been worn away, then a single day of eternity will have gone by.
From The Story of Mankind by Hendrik Willem Van Loon
So, how long is a single day of eternity ? ; how long is eternity ?
>>63125636
>The background music is too loud you can hardly hear the dialogue
That's true of every episode.
>>63125736
Means we get a black doctor
SUSAN WHEN?
>every single aspect of every single room resets
>the petals on the flower
>the glass in the window
>except the diamond wall, any part of that that is removed is gone forever
What a flawed part of the episode.
>>63125719
lever was doctor crawling back without having hit diamonds
>>63125736
going through past regenerations apparently
it's the latest version of the "MCGANN IS BACK" rumour
>>63125659
Running a Safeway in Britain's best village
>>63125719
he just assumed that
all the skulls in the water were just his own previous one that he dropped over and over
>>63125736
He goes gay
>>63125719
yeah, the Doctor saw himself drowned in the sea after he jumped out of the window in one of the loops. How did he teleport himself back then?
>>63125778
She's too bland
>>63125763
this. if you haven't learned to watch with headphones by now you should fuck off.
>>63125705
>unlike my other favourite BBC science fiction show's western-themed episode
Okay we can be BEST FRIENDS, because everyone knows that is the best episode of Red Dwarf.
Come to think of it, Heaven Sent had the tone of Red Dwarf more than Doctor Who, the books that is. This is the exact kind of horrific shit Lister went through.
>>63125764
Back to /pol/, racist.
>>63125533
As far as I understand it -
He got teleported to his confession dial (somehow) and wasn't actually properly on Gallifrey, hence the wall and the Dial closing down at the end of the episode. So the stars might not have been the same stars you'd have seen if you were standing on Gallifrey.
Got to admit, although I don't think much of Jenna's acting abilities - she's pretty good at standing perfectly still, in front of a blackboard, facing away from the camera.
>>63125719
The number rule to any Moffat episode anon, don't think, think and it's shit
>>63125465
Could still have been better, like if it didn't have the Doctor being Moffat's Sherlock in his own head.
>>63125636
why do normies have such garbage opinions? I also love how they blame everything that ever goes wrong on Moffat even when he isn't writing the fucking episode
>>63125784
>>63125790
He saw himself drowned though
i'm literally sweating right now
>>63125780
I'm pretty sure it was a puzzle, otherwise the Time Lords would just not have built an exit.
>>63125780
Why is that a flaw? The whole thing is designed with this in mind.
IS HE BECOMING VALEYARD?
'Valeyard is described by the Master as an amalgamation of the Doctor's darker sides from between his twelfth and final incarnations.'
SHIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEETTT
>The Doctor literally only becomes the Valeyard because MUH CLARA
Why didn't he use the shovel on the diamond wall?
>>63125661
Maybe Ashilder being in the trailer? Or maybe it was the advert for that shit Toby Jones show that was the shock
>>63125828
skulls kept falling cos he kept throwing em
>>63125825
Moffat is 100% in charge of the show
He reads, edits, and approves EVERY script
But, who cleans up the bits of diamond or whatever it was, that break off?
>>63125835
I'm glad I'm not the only fucking one.
That episode was too cunting intense.
>>63125719
he doesn't fully die remember? he crawls back to the teleporter
>>63125853
No as is he saw his own body drowned, how could he reset that?
>>63125844
>>63125838
Then who designed it? Did they specifically build it so he'd get out after 2 trillion years?
>>63125611
That's going to become the Trainyard.
SCREENCAP THIS!
FUCK CLARA IS SO REGENERATING
>>63125851
only came to the realisation that he'd need to be destroying something by the time he got there
and by that point he can't exactly nip back and grab the thing can he
>>63125847
He did just spent 2 billion years with a veil in a yard, so maybe.
>TFW "VALEYARD" IS OLD HIGH GALLIFREYAN FOR "HYBRID"
>T
>F
>W
>>63125886
We don't know yet. We're only half-way through the story.
>>63125809
>only read Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers
>dat bad end
a book adaptation of a generally-lighthearted comedy TV show has no right to be that good
kek desu senpai
>>63125850
It's not so much Clara, but the fact that the timelords went through such lengths just to get his attention.
>>63125871
HE SAW HIS OWN DROWNED BODY
>>63125859
Wall doesn't reset, but I assume floor does. It was designed to break the wall, probably.
>>63125385
you can't fully regenerate unless killed, doofus
>>63125817
>face the raven was clara's tits
>heaven sent is clara's ass
clara'sfeetin the next episode?
>>63125876
?
what are you talking about?
he kept going in the water, ending up unconscious but coming out
that happened every time
>>63125898
canon
>>63125898
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>>63125920
>The Hybrid is the mystery of the time lords
HOLY SHIT
>>63125911
Tell that to Romana
>>63125815
ok
what is a confession dial?
who made it?
why?
>>63125260
Midnight.
>>63125406
M8 look at Second World War when you're up against it you will let the weirdos try stuff out in case it gives you an edge - and the eccentric inventors pretty much created the worlds first mine sweepers
The yanks didn't want to use them and lost thousands of lard arses on the beaches
Alright guys
What if
Alright guys
Listen close
Right
Right
Stick with me here
Right
What if
Right
Lads
What if
Lads
What
Lads
What if this whole thing was an attempt by the Timelords to calm the Doctor down (from his rage about Clara) before they meet him again?
>>63125876
There were only skulls in the water. He always made it out.
Say what you like about The Doctor, but he's consistent.
moffat's best episode desu
>>63125961
The Time Lords tricked The Doctor into making it himself. That's what I gathered from the episode.
>>63125961
Time Lords made it because they're like The Riddler, they're obsessive-compulsive about being cryptic weirdoes in the hopes that someone will call them out on their bullshit
>>63125151
Nevada (Utah?) sequence
>>63125961
1) I don't know
2) I don't know
3) Because.
>>63125907
I don't think that was his drowned body, just a zoom out of himself overlooking all the skulls in the lake
>>63125409
?
They want to know the secret - the exact why is probably next episode
>>63125977
What?
Several billion years, yeah, but only one Doctor, taking about a week each time maybe? And determined all the way through.
>>63125977
>calm down the Doctor by trapping him in an eternal torture trap
BRAVO RASSILON
>Valeyard is described by the Master as an amalgamation of the Doctor's darker sides from between his twelfth and final incarnations.
>Valeyard is described by the Master as an amalgamation of the Doctor's darker sides from between his twelfth and final incarnations.
>Valeyard is described by the Master as an amalgamation of the Doctor's darker sides from between his twelfth and final incarnations.
>>63125137
Maybe it's impossible to reset that diamond wall, maybe it's something to do with the structure of it or the quantum interaction of its radioactive decay or some shit. Maybe one of the reasons it's so tough is because it's not affected by conventional time.
>>63124851
This is my favourite episode of DW.
DID YOU GUYS SEE THE ORIGINAL TARDIS WITH NO DISGUISE FLYING IN THE TRAILER HOLY FUCK
>>63126011
Yeah
>>63125598
I'd say more because of the star positions, but yeah, skulls as well.
>>63125902
That's just the first one, right? Shit gets way more fucking dark later on.
>>63126050
SCREENSHOT DAT SHIT YO SHARING IS CARIN
>>63126042
It's the interface between the inner world and the outer world.
NEW THREAD
>>63126054
>>63126054
>>63126054
>time lords design a torture chamber interrogation room specifically for the doctor and incidentally kill his beloved companion to get him into it
>he subverts it because i must win and incinerates a billion incarnations of himself to punch through an unbreakable wall
>that oh shit moment the time lords must feel when they realise
>>63126050
no?
For those confused with the skulls in the lake : remember he brings the one he finds of his predecessor to the top of the tower, where it falls down, adding to the pilen when the castle changes.
>>63126051
NOT.
EVEN.
CLOSE.
BEST FINALE SINCE PANDORICA OPENS
BETTER THAN PANDORICA OPENS
BEST NUWHO FINALE
PLATINUM AGELet's hope Hell Bent is the first since Parting Of The Ways to not fuck shit up
>>63126006
His right arm is buried in them m8
>>63126032
Tennant's hand was the Valeyard
>Moffat cashes in on this success
>churns out the exact same premise once every series
Screenshot this, lads.
>>63125939
>yfw the hybrid is a warrior race mixed of two components
>time
and
>lords
>>63126078
nah senpai
>>63126072
He's never seen an original tardis
>>63125961
1) A torture prison made so that people confess things.
2) Presumably Time Lords.
3) To torture people into knowing what they know
>>63126000
>moffat
>>63126101
>Being this retarded
How can he be half Dalek/half Time Lord?
And i wanted the Veil to be the Valeyard or Omega.
>>63126078
Why early, do you really wanna be the op of the new thread that badly?
Are you that autistic?
>>63126095
If the twist next week is that 'The Hybrid is Me' means 'The Hybrid is Ashildr' then fuck that
>>63126062
more dark than Lister stuck forever in a dream world as he wastes away outside?
In more related news >>63126032 I don't think that anyone is completely dispensing with the idea of Hell Bent containing at least a reference to the Valeyard, given that the Doctor is seemingly half human again (which, let's be honest, is the last thing we were expecting to be de-retconned before Series 9 came along)
>>63125961
We learnt what it was in Heaven Sent. It does..that, apparently.
A confession dial is apparently a Time Lord thing, because Missy knew about it, though how it works is apparently mysterious to both of them.
Tune in next week!
>>63125977
>be War-Rassilon wannabe guy
>The Doctor, one of the most powerful timelords, is angry
>He just lost his best friend/soulmate
>I know how to calm him down
>I'll create a torture chamber where he has to punch through solid diamond-alloy for 2,000,000,000 years whilst being burnt/terrified/drowned repeatedly without knowing where he is
This will calm him down I'm sure :)
So what hybrid is the Doctor? Half timelord half..?
>>63126094
yep
I think I liked it but it didn't really have any plot. I think The Pandorica Opens was better.
>>63126125
He isn't.
At best/worst he's half Time Lord, half Human.
The prophecy was right but also wrong.
>>63125675
This is why 'teleporters can reset your body' is best avoided in science fiction.
>>63126144
Pretty much. At least Better Than Life is nice to be inside.
>>63126142
It fucking better not be
>>63126142
Shit, I didn't even consider that, but now that you've pointed it out I can't see Moffat's self-fellating shitbrain writing it any other way.
>>63126078
That makes three at once. Great work everybody.
FUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKK!!
VALEYARD BITCHEESSS!
>>63126152
Half bird. Didn't you even watch the episode?
>>63126151
>>63126151
Alright I want to discuss this "doctor drowns" bollocks.
If he drowned then he'd have regenerated or at least not been able to activate the teleporter again, so he can't have drowned.
>>63125675
Well yeah, but that wouldn't rank among the dozen most impressive things they can do, and they are the fucking TIME LORDS so you know they'd have all stupid protocols and rules over that shit. They are all about keeping a very small elite of Time Lords around.
>>63125598
He realised it maybe the first time - we don't know since we just picked it up at the 7k mark
Btw I called it as soon as I saw the clothes drying scene and he exactly reset them
>>63126083
>put a giant block of harder-than-diamond stuff there instead of just another wall
>they're surprised when The Doctor realises it's the exit and goes hardcore in order to escape
Did they forget that this is the guy who managed to save them from the Time War like nothing happened, when the next-best solution was to destroy the entire universe?
>>63125645
I keep remembering the good things from Davies' run, but Jesus fucking Christ, I just had a flashback of all the stupid shit like this.
>>63126097
It's not. The still makes it appear that way, but in the scene he's floating above the skulls. Some one needs to webm it.
I'm under the impression every romp through the castle for the most part plays out the same way with the exception of the distance he's punched through the diamond wall.
ORIGINAL TARDIS WITH NO DISGUISE
>>63126226
Okay maybe not drowning to death, but being submerged in water for a good few minutes
Do you guys think he could have shaved a few million years off all that if he'd used the spade to break the harder than diamonds wall instead of his goddamn fist?
>>63125815
If the stars weren't the real stars, they should have reset like everything else.
>>63126249
I'M SHAKING MY BOOTYPAAAAAAAARP
>>63126246
I guess the final almost unbreakable wall was meant to be the final kick in the nuts to make him confess.
Remember that it ALMOST worked, he nearly gave up, which means he nearly gave up 2 billion times.
>>63126264
LITERALLY A FLESHLIGHT IN SPACE
The pile of skulls are from his own skull he picked up in the teleport room and took it up to the tower where he laid it on the edge. When the rooms changed the vibrations caused it to fall of the ledge into the water. That is why there is a pile of skulls there. He did not drown.
>>63126264
nice
>>63126264
A TUBE OH BOY
>>63126258
You've also got the skulls on the battlements m8
>>63126242
>Btw I called it as soon as I saw the clothes drying scene and he exactly reset them
I expected some wibbley wobbly bullshit
>>63125838
But they wanted his full confession, not for him to get out before he'd confessed. It doesn't (seem to) make sense.
Nerds are so insecure about what their chosen entertainment says about their intelligence and maturity, that they'll praise this heap of shite because the writer slapped 'CHARIKTOR PEACE!' on it.
Lel.
>>63126311
Fuck, I was wondering how the skulls got there. The skulls falling we see fairly near the start of the sequence don't we, but he puts his skull up there later on, right?
The only bit I don't understand is why he has two sets of clothes going at all times.
>>63126336
Yep but Doctor Won.
>"The hybrid is me"
>Ashildr ditched her own name, and started going by "Me"
Look into your hearts you poor fuckers, this is exactly the sort of thing Moffat will do. She'll be the hybrid, not The Doctor.
>>63126300
This is also the guy who managed to defeat an entire species of aliens he couldn't even remember when he looked away. Handicaps are the Doctor's bread and butter
Couldn't they have just strapped him to a fucking chair
>>63126355
fuck offerino :^(
>>63126242
Jesus fuck this episode is so dark
>>63126359
Maybe the rooms reset but not The Doctor or his possessions
>>63126375
Fair point.
He could've said "I am the Hybrid" but didn't.
>>63126359
The clothes are one of those loopy paradoxes. He put the clothes there. But who put the clothes there the first time for him to find?
>>63126375
>two warrior races
>human and those space warriors
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>63126412
At some point The Doctor got tired of going through the sequence with wet clothes and did it once naked?
>>63126412
The same people who put the castle there.
>>63126412
The Doctor did and then he's running around starkers till he gets killed
>>63126359
Maybe he only has one and the first time he run through he was naked. His second found them and started the loop.
>>63126375
>>63126399
True dat senpai. Arya stark is fuckin up shit. But damn, regeneration? execution? Valeyard possible? Fuck fuck fuck so many hype
>>63126398
>mfw I just realised the dry clothes are from the previous doctor
>that means at least one of them got to room Twelve in nothing but their pants
>>63125977
Maisie had been asked to trap the Doctor before Clara died, though.
Does this mean that TWF/TMA happen after Heaven Sent/Hell Bent?
>>63126375
OH FUCK OFF
NO
STOP IT
>>63126236
But for a Time War shit would be perfect. Never lose your most valuable Time Lords, able to create a huge army of your best Gallifreyan grunts, conserve your timefuckery weapons and means for other shit, create endless time Lord suicide "bombers" who can use up all regenerates to blow Dalek fleets to shit and in a a way lose no Time Lords
>>63126461
maybe? no?
So how many 'clones' of the doctor were there? There must have been at least 500000000000 if we think that the doctor was there for a day each time round?
>>63126459
Yeah thats why her reaction was geniune when she realised Clara got the curse.
Why and how exactly did the time lords grant the doctor a new regeneration cycle in time of the doctor? pls explain
>>63126478
The confession dial gets created in Heaven Sent so how did he have it before?
>>63126476
And whose to say they didn't do a lot of this? The Time War was fucked.
>>63126483
No sir!
ALL THIRTEEN!!!
>>63126499
What makes you think that?
>>63126375
Oh Jesus Christ, this is exactly what's going to happen isn't it? Right? FUCK
>>63125645
>aliens taking advantage of the planets #1 health problem
Granted it wasn't a 10/10 but I thought it was clever.
Didn't the doctor first say he had not traveled through time? That was his first transition. Later on he says 7000 years in the future. We were already traveling through the years with him right the way up to the replays.
>>63126375
It's true.
Maybe he has a score to settle with the Time Lords, but I feel like the Capaldicking he's gonna do is strictly directed at ME.
What did everyone think 12's theme was called before "A Good Man?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Q3X5sLEck
>>63126524
You see it get formed in his hands once he reaches Gallifrey? Idk.
>>63126500
The fact they didn't just do the latter idea at the end to fight off the Daleks and their fleet. Doesn't even seem like the machine needs a lot of energy since it clearly doesn't depend on regeneration energy, which I'd think would run out after 2 billion years.
>>63125640
not for everyone, it seemth
>>63126551
I heard "Clockwork Doctor" being used a lot.
>>63126375
>she changed her name purely for the sake of a cliffhanger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxvGCYzh8aY
>>63126375
ok, but why would he keep it to himself instead of just saying it
>>63126559
But i'm confusing myself as you clearly see him give it to Ashildr the episode before.
>>63126559
Why is an item owned by a time traveler so confusing for you. He sends it to the past at some point
moffat can write 10 love and monster tier turds for all i care. he is forgiven.
that was amazing.
>>63126581
Misdirection. It's supposed to make us think it can go either way. He did say ME.
Post the second trailer just shown on BBC1
>>63126242
Wouldn't have been first time, as there were no skulls or moved stars, or bird message, as clues.
>>63126624
no, i mean why wouldnt he confess it in the castle
>>63126606
Yeah it has to work like that then. But the confession dial we have seen throughout the series was made at the end of Heaven Sent. Okay I get it.
Who wants to bet this hybrid thing will be some bullshit like the Doctor having to reveal his name, where we'll never find out who the hybrid is?
inb4 he tells someone he'll say who it is, but only the day nobody cares about the answer, and then winks at the audience
>>63126375
That would mean the only reason she was calling herself 'me' earlier on would be to set up this one piece of contrived wordplay to infuriate the fans by teasing a much bigger revelation than will actually be delivered.
In short, classic Moffat.
I swear one of these days that brillo-pad haired fucker is going to give me an aneurysm
A second trailer showed new stuff. Anyone got a link?
>>63126637
The first time he dies without clothes he resets himself and before death writes bird as a suggestion to his copy
>>63126097
He hits the bottom skulls get disturbed and fall onto his arm autist
>>63126683
The greatest Moffucking yet.
>>63126691
https://youtu.be/6yak3ujqxDw
>>63126300
It WOULD have worked if they'd had the barrier reset same as everything else.
They must be blundering idiots.
>>63126691
>>63126635
Look up
>>63126640
That was back when he wanted to keep it secret. Seeing as he's now on Gallifrey itself, I suppose he had no reason not to say it anymore.
Hell, if he's the one destined to conquer it, maybe that's why he's avoided looking for it for so long.
Jason Donovan is torturing my ears!
>>63126559
He spent the entire episode inside it, how could it have only been made the moment he leaves it?
>>63126730
Obviously a time lord intern fucked up somewhere.
Ashildr/ME is totally going to be the hybrid.
She's all like "time to tell the truth", Time Lords are like "a hybrid between two warrior races" and the Doctor is all like "that time I went too far".
It's going to be her...
>>63126762
Yeah, Heaven Sent as an episode=the creation of the confession dial.
>>63126740
I am not getting through here. I am saying that Asdfir being hybrid makes less sense than doctor being hybrid.
If the doctor knew that Asdfir was the hybrid, what reason would he have to withold that information?
>>63126541
>That was his first transition.
No it wasn't. There were already dead Doctor skulls lying around.
>>63126730
Well if there was literally no chance of him ever escaping and he worked that out, he could've just let it kill him and be done with it. The ridiculously slim hope of success is the entire point of the dungeon, to keep him going, while mere statistical probability means one time he WILL break. It's a nice twist on a torture device.
>Already right at the end of Capaldi's second series
Christ, he'll be gone in like 2-3 years time won't he? Time flies.
>>63126811
Nah m8, Ashildr teleported him inside it.
>>63126246
That's why it's called hubris
>>63126841
Yeah. But only because the time lords told her to.
>Me is going to be the hybrid
I fucking despise you Moffat.
>>63126824
No he was already traveling through his transitions as the episode progressed.
>>63126811
That is a pretty weird assumption to make, based on one computer animation of the dial forming in his hand.
The dial doesn't even include a confession, so it's a pretty useless thing. How is it even meant to work NORMALLY in your mind?
>>63126837
We're at the middle of his era most probably.
>>63126279
M8 the veil was right behind him in the tunnel he couldn't get past it to get the spade which he dropped
Btw wtf was it he had to do to open the room?
>>63126875
Me is Ashildr's name retard
>>63126142
ahahaha, got it in one. fuck everything.
>>63126885
My assumptions are constantly changing. I just thought that the animation proved that whoever wanted the Doctor's confession got enough of what they wanted. What do you think?
>>63126359
Kek this is why we had under the lake before the flood
Boot strap paradox being explained b4 it's used at the end
I'm sure the season dvd extras will refer to it
>>63126412
Bootstrap paradox - the first or second time around he left his clothes or maybe he figured it all out then
Remember the first sequence we see is 7k after he got there so it's possible it took that long for him to refine it
Putting the shoes etc back exactly tipped me off to it
>>63126829
But then you're saying they knew that even a choice of confession or death wouldn't get him to confess, but that they just hoped SOMETHING, maybe, might get him to - in the short space of time that passed for each iteration. It's a sucky plan.
>>63126981
The animation showed he broke the barrier and got out. That's all.
>>63126493
He was getting battered and clala shouted at a crack in space - it was suggested they wouldn't give him the extra set until he said his true name but she shamed them into it or they didn't want him to die until they got the secret of the hybrid
>>63127072
That's the assumption they were working from, which is why the confession dial giving them BILLIONS of throws of the dice means that at least once he would slip up. They thought.
>>63127214
Why not just make the exit fake so he still thinks he can escape without actually making it possible?
>>63127263
Maybe it had to have an exit, they just decided the sickest possible way to frame it would be with all that stronger than diamonds shit.
Or maybe they just got cocky. The fucking chances of The Doctor ever succeeding to escape are fucking vanishingly small.
>>63127214
I reckon less than a hundred thousand goes before he'd worked out there was a loop and planned to break through. Plan sucks.
>>63127357
There was more chance of the Doctor accepting his death than that of something vague maybe, possibly, hopefully getting him to confess.
>>63127418
It's like you didn't understand the episode at all.
He has to work all that shit out every single time from scratch, and with every run through there is the chance he'll break, which he came perilously close to BILLIONS OF TIMES.
>>63126336
time lords didn't count on him tele-cloning himself over and over again for 2 billion years to smash through a 20 ft wall of super space diamond so they didn't make the diamond wall reset, i mean that super space diamond is presumably very hard to get and thus hard to restock on (plus it's a portal to the real world, gallifrey, and thus needs to be governed by some kind of material and thermodynamic laws to some degree). The Veil kept allowing him to repeat the same confession because it was automated to just respond to the three confessions, like 3 passwords (1. I didn't leave Gallifrey because I was bored like Patrick Troughton said, I was scared. 2. The reason I left was the Hybrid, the super-sekret being the Time Lords created to preempt the Time War, and people think it's a Timelek. 3. It's not a Timelek desu, the Daleks don't like hybrids, one time their most open minded members tried to make one with a human and were so disgusted they chained it up and eggsterminated it, no I am the Hybrid because I was half-human on my mother's side, which explains my love of liberty, rock music and jammy dodgers ;^);^);^);^);^);^);^)).
Say the Doctor takes 48 hours to work out all the shit and get to the diamond room and then back up the tower to the teleport before he burns himself out and instigates the tele-cloning of himself at pretty much the same time every time, then the castle is on a 48-hour reset loop. Everything except the diamond wall and whatever the Doctor brings to the castle (ie his jacket n' bones) gets reset. The stars don't get reset because their supposed to imitate real life so the Doctor gets the impression he's remained in the same place. Meaning the grave he digs and everything gets reset. I can't exactly remember but I think he takes off his jacket after he jumps in the sea right? And then finds the dry one and puts that on? Meaning the jacket gets constantly topped up every time he turns up again. It all holds up as far as I can tell.
>>63127647
>no I am the Hybrid because I was half-human on my mother's side, which explains my love of liberty, rock music and jammy dodgers ;^);^);^);^);^);^);^)).
Don't forget the accent. Northern accent.
>Every planet has a North.
