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Someone posted a rumour that there's going to be a new resin praetor model being sold in GW to launch them stocking fw? Any source?
>>47570891
I hope he looks good, I have a good excuse to order again.
third for sexy Dorn
>>47570876
>>47570891
>>47570951
Looks more like Tartaros to me.
>>47571303
Looks more like cool to me. Just needs a different head.
>>47571303
Looks pretty good. Will kitbash him into a warsmith or siege breaker.
He looks like he's in Tartaros armour but with baroque shins and a more Cataphractii looking collar. Could probably pass for either depending on what arms you give him.
Head and arm swap for me.
Was it 25th of June?
>>47571303
Is that a power glaive?
Looks nice!
>>47571403
It's Tartaros, without a doubt. The praetor-bling just obscures some of the collar.
>>47571303
Amazing, they managed to ruin the tartaros silhouette.
>>47571303
There's something about these last couple of characters from FW that just looks horrible. They do not fit the rest of the range.
Does this make any sense? And what might I do for my HQ with the leftover 120 pts?
Generic LA: Stubborn, 1130/1250 pts
=== HQ ===
???
=== ELITE ===
2x Graviton Rapiers (150)
=== TROOPS ===
10x Tactical Veterans (290)
- Rhino, 2x Heavy Flamers, 5x Extra Veterans
- Artificer Armor, Power Fist
- Sniper
5x Tactical Veterans (170)
- Rhino, 1x Heavy Bolter
- Artificer Armor, Power Fist
- Sniper
5x Tactical Veterans (170)
- Rhino, 1x Heavy Bolter
- Artificer Armor, Power Fist
- Sniper
=== HS ===
1x Deredeo (220)
- Ravioli missiles
1x Laser-Destroyer Vindicator (130)
Deredeo and Vindicator pop enemy transports.
Rapiers grind down heavy armour or slow down footsloggers.
HB veterans hang back, flamer veterans lead up.
>>47571671
>>47571728
Yeah, he looks a bit boxy and wrong, I think the top of the torso is too wide and square, and the underpauldrons are too large.
>>47571869
At least the last Praetor exclusive fit in fairly well, though he seems more of a Consul channeling a bit of techmarine aesthetic.
>>47571890
But come the fuck on this doesn't feel like tartaros unless you squint.
>>47571890
both are probably one-offs done as a way to unwind from larger projects
Being a bit off the style guide and mixing things up on rando character models isn't really a bad thing.
>>47571890
Did he ever get rules, I don't remember any chatter from warhammer fest about this guy
>>47571923
Nope, maybe in a future book. Incidentally, Inferno has a contingent of Sons of Horus taking part in the burning of Prospero...
got another 10 demonic Zardu dark channeling Word Bearers converted and based, can't wait to summon some daemons all up in a game and generally be a shit.
>>47571956
helps if I add the pic
>>47571840
Delegatus to allow pride of the Legion, 120 points is perfect for it
>>47571974
Oh right yes, I forgot that. I need a Delegatus (or Praetor... but eh) for that row to get troop veterans.
I'm just scratching my head at where exactly he would fit. In one of the vet squads, but then I should probably make them choppy, not shooty.
>>47571840
If your HB vets are hanging back then I'd drop the bling on the sarges.
>>47571991
Flamer vets are likely to be charged so use the saved points from >>47572000 to add a couple of power weapons to the squad also.
>>47571902
I don't see the problem really. It's not too different just more ornate, can probably mix and match parts with other kits or just convert a plain tartaros dude into a character if you don't like it.
If I can get my hands on one it's not like I'll be keeping the head or weapon.
I've read at least 500 Lists and have never seen a Legion Terminator Command Squad. I'm on my way to 2500 (got 1750 built, primed, 50%painted) Points of IF and I really like the idea of the 6" fearless bubble delivered to the front via Spartan. Question is: Is it worth it to play something like this at 2000 points and more:
Legion Praetor [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Digital Lasers, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade]
Legion Terminator Command Squad [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Chainfist, 4x Legion Space Marine Chosen, 4x Lightning Claw]
>>>430 Points
riding in:
Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Dozer Blade, Flare Shield]
>>>355 Points
>>47572009
>>47572000
>>47571991
>>47571974
>>47571840
I'd also drop the rhinos and move some gear around. You're playing 1250 points so it's likely that the board will be small enough to not require transports. See pic attached for what I'm getting at.
>Blackshield Outlanders can deep strike half of their infantry units who don't have the Deep Strike special rule
>Blackshields get +1 to the initiative roll
>deep striking heavy/tactical support squads
I actually rather want to do a Blackshield Outlander list, but damn, this seems almost unfair. I hope my opponents invest in Armoured Ceramite.
>>47572102
Sniper is wasted on the Veterans with Heavy Flamers, maybe Furious Charge would be best since you're giving the Sergeant a power weapon? Honestly the Veteran special rules that you can choose are really lackluster besides sniper so I can't blame you.
>>47572120
You appear not to have read the downsides
>>47572437
The whole "game is practically over once you've lost half your dudes" is honestly what the game is like anyways.
>>47572000
>>47572009
>>47572102
>>47572194
Thanks, will see how to take that into account once I'm home.
I just worry a little that one vindicator or other AP3- weapon will basically shred these expensive footsloggers
>>47570876
Regular thread guy here, thanks for this. Had a Wendigo dream and wasn't feeling to alright last night.
>>47571303
Excellent!
I needed a Preator in Tartaros armor for my EC.
>>47572727
>one vindicator or other AP3- weapon w
You have a laser vindicatior, a dorito and 2 grav cannons, you'll be okay.
>>47572734
No problem man, get yourself a silver knife and a torch before anything gets you.
>>47573058
I think there was a Wendi trying to offer me food, but there was definitely Wendigos in it. I blame the Wendigo thread, but it does remain me I do need to get on fluffing out an Empire of Space Wendigos.
>>47573150
>Space Wendigos
Death Guard offshoot I assume?
>>47573033
dorito dodo rodeo aioli ravioli
truly the best unit in the game
Alright, I completely forgot to ask this in the last thread but what books wouls I need for 30k and playing a Word Bearers army?
Also, I just realized that the Task Force box just comes with the exact same stuff as two BaC boxes, but just with upgrades included. Might as well just get two BaC boxes.
>>47573386
Morty isn't Canadian though.
>>47573442
You'll need the Dark age legion book and the legion army list book, the army list book doesn't seem to be available right now, and theres been some scuttlebutt about a revised/second edition soon(tm), so you might want to wait
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-CA/The-Horus-Heresy-Legiones-Astartes-Age-of-Darkness-Legions
>>47573715
>Yonnad
Why would they pick a name from the old Siege of Terra to kill off en route to the Battle of Phall?
>Scimitars Jetbikes are awesome both as a model and rules. But they cost a stupid amount of money.
>Outriders are not so good rulewise, but cost less and I can use them in 40k too, so it's great value for a still great model. I would need more of them though.
What to buy?
>>47573886
Mastodon.
>>47573886
It really comes down to how much you'll be playing 40k, if you'll be playing often then pick outriders, if you can play 30k most of the time then jetbikes are your choice.
>>47574287
I guess you are right.
Sadly I play about ten 40k games for each 30k one.
I'm trying to play more 30k, but players are rare.
>>47573947
>Mastodon.
Not really my cup of tea.
>>47574379
Would people be willing to play against a jetbike army? That's the real problem, if they have no bother then go for jetbikes. Are you a scars or angels man?
>>47574393
>Would people be willing to play against a jetbike army?
Do people have a problem with that? I'm was not aware.
Anyway, I'll probably get 6 and that's it.
>Are you a scars or angels man?
I'm a purple guy.
>>47574379
Have the Mastodon launch the jetbikes.
>>47574429
I meant would people object to you running a 30k army in a 40k game. Not specifically jetbikes but other 30k stuff as well
>>47573886
Just have the jetbikes count as regular bikes in 40k games.
>>47574747
Probably not.
But most of my stuff is a kitbash between 30k and 40k. I designed it so so almost everything has a double purpose in both settings.
That would be difficult with jetbikes though.
>>47574751
I guess i could, but it wouldn't feel right. Bases and sizes are different.
>>47573778
Alright, thanks mate! I suppose I could wait for the other book, so I'll probably just see if I can find a pdf of them and learn up the rules while I wait.
>>47574393
Most people don't care what they play against casually. Just ask 'em if they mind playing against your 30k stuff.
>>47574846
>I guess i could, but it wouldn't feel right. Bases and sizes are different.
Could always try doing 30k vs. 40k. In my experience it is pretty balanced at low point levels.
>>47575135
What kind of opponents are you going against? And what points levels are you playing at?
Sincerely,
Guy who got his Fists stomped by Eldar/Dark Eldar cheese on Sunday
>>47571303
I NEEEEED IT
>15+
>>47574846
>>47575135
>>47575159
Let's be honest, it's pretty much essential to use a 30k list to represent the Consecrators properly anyway.
>>47575412
Myeeeh.
No.
Atsknf is essential for post horusy marines.
>>47575359
The exclusive web centurion looked better.
This guy is a bit meh.
>>47575466
But it's the first leader in Tartaros, and it actually looks good.
Tartaros are really ugly armors, unless pimped up like the Phoenix Terminators.
>>47575159
1850-2000 points, any lower than that and 30K (with the exception of SA and IM) have trouble fielding much of anything beyond the very basics.
As for opponents I have played Orks, Chaos Daemons, Imperial Guard, Space Marines, Tyranids, Tau, and Eldar. Eldar and Tau can probably hold their own against marines at higher point levels but 1850-2000 is pretty balanced when fighting the less powerful armies. Honestly though it depends on your list. 30k has absolutely massive access to melta, and when facing opponents without ceramite that is massive, if I built my army specifically to fight 40k armies instead of 30k that I am fairly certain I could defeat Eldar and Tau on a semi-regular basis.
>Maru Skara
>Outflank meltabikes and jetbikes accompanied by melee characters
>Blow apart wave serpents and chase down and murder riptides
This might be a 40k worthy question but why did Malcador establish three main Ordos? I know Hereticus was after Vandire, but wouldn't it make sense to create an Ordo that roots out the cults before they summon daemons?
>>47573886
Outriders aren't bad at all up close (meanwhile, jetbikes should never get anywhere near the enemy...). If your army isn't already full of assault units, get the outriders.
which book did the headhunter teams get access to combi-weapons, rather than just combi-bolters?
>>47575614
This sounds pretty cool but wont they complain about "overpowered" FW stuff?
Seems that SA in particular could be really nasty to filthy xenos.
>>47575770
>before they summon daemons?
Daemons will be whether summoned or not.
>>47575466
I dunno, DAngles have a reputation for retreating at inopportune moments (with the secret intent of hunting Fallen). You could easily justify breaking Consecrators as making a rapid tactical withdrawal to act on new intel on nearby Fallen.
>>47576724
1) Convince them that Legion lists are actually underpowered compared to modern 40k, more on par with BA/GK/IG "low tier but not the lowest tier"
2) Play your first couple of games without any crazy stuff (Primarchs, Suzerains, Super-heavies, Spartan deathstars, Armoured Spearhead LR spam etc.)
3) Play your best but be prepared to lose, take your losses like a good sport, not a sore loser
4) By the time they have acclimated to the initial shock of "this is like spess mahreens, but everything is different", slowly introduce the fun stuff you want to use, one unit at a time
5) ???
6) Profit (which hopefully means balanced, fun games)
>>47576724
Well it isn't hard to build a decent list if you plan to face 40k. If you want to try and go full OP that is an option, I would probably just stick to my regular dreads and palatines as the hammer of my army just give the dreads meltas.
Another idea is to abuse orbital assault
>cheap delegatus
>2 naked tac squads
>4 special weapon squads with meltaguns
>3 Seeker squads with combi-meltas/plasmas
Fists seem like they would be very fun to play against 40k though where bolters are comparatively better weapons. 3 tactical blobs fury of the legion at close range. Fucking riptides might start to fall to that kind of hail of fire.
>>47576724
SA and AdMech are very powerful. They are below Tau/Eldar/Marines, but above everything else.
Legions can be very good but are below the above.
Nothing beats Eldar, full stop. That argument alone should be sufficient.
>>47578178
>Suzerains
>Crazy
>Max 3 Str 4 AP 2 attacks at I 4 each
Palatines and deathshrouds are both much worse to face, the former is +1 strength, has options to take jump packs, is I 5 on the charge, and can lower opponent's WS by 1, the latter is only WS 4 but has two wounds and a +1 strength weapon that can still get an extra attack fairly easily.
>>47578267
B-but muh volkite.
>>47578444
What about it?
>>47578290
Not this shit again
Palatines with spears and shriekers cost 355 vs. suzerain's 300, 455 if they want jump packs.
3+ on everyone but the sergeant rather than 2+ on everyone, no 5++/6++ from boarding shield (but still just as many attacks thanks to 2-handed), no defensive grenades, no auto-wound on 6s, no implacable advance, no LR phobos dedicated transport, LD8/9 rather than 10 and a 12" +1LD bubble and no way to be taken as a command squad.
Most importantly they become trash if they get charged or if the opponent survives the first round of combat, which they are quite likely to do if they have invulns or FNP or multiple wounds or high toughness or stubborn or fearless etc.
>>47578178
>>47578290
No 30k melee unit is more ludicrously overpowered than wulfen or necron wraiths. Indeed, as >>47578267 says, nothing anywhere in 30k comes even close to being as broken as pretty much every option in the Eldar codex.
>>47578576
Roasts space elfs....
>>47578799
Yes, and? While entirely awesome, does not compensate for scatterspam and wraithanything.
>>47578799
Roasts Guardians, Rangers, and DEldar, while the OP units shrug it off.
>>47578671
>Palatines with spears and shriekers cost 355 vs. suzerain's 300
Suzerains cost 200 points +25 for each additional dude. That gets you 325 points for ten. Plus Palatines are much more versatile. Palatines can hit and wound elite units on a 3+, Suzerains only have 1 in 4 attacks successfully hit and wound an elite marine unit. Plus Palatines can be much more versatile. Want to just kill marines? Give them spears or swords. Want a relatively cheap unit capable of mulching non-marine blobs and dealing with small command squads? Leave them with their sabres.
>no 5++/6++ from boarding shield (but still just as many attacks thanks to 2-handed)
Their weapon is +1 strength and they are effectively WS 6 meaning they hit and wound WS 5 units on a 3+, Suzerains only have 1 in 4 attacks hit and wound against WS 5 units.
>no defensive grenades
If your palatines are getting charged you are fucking up.
>no auto-wound on 6s
Why are you charging T9 MC's with Suzerains? Since Phoenix Spears are +1 strength on the charge they can wound T 8 on the charge anyway.
>LR phobos dedicated transport
Wow I can't get one of the most overpriced transports in the game? Oh woe.
>LD8/9 rather than 10 and a 12" +1LD bubble
This is the only major advantage they have. It is a nice bonus but hardly a game changer.
>no way to be taken as a command squad.
I have four elite slots with age of darkness. Dreadnoughts can be taken in talons. I don't really care truth be told. The only thing I don't like is that I can't give command squads Phoenix Spears for going full knight.
>Most importantly they become trash if they get charged or if the opponent survives the first round of combat
Don't get charged and don't charge multi-wound models.
Honestly I still fail to see the issue with Suzerains, they are good but they are hardly the OP shit people make them out to be.
>>47578444
>>47578576
>>47578799
>>47578820
>>47578853
Setting space elves on fire with Martian death rays is a noble goal that shouldn't be denied, but Wraiths are not flesh and blood space elves and would suffer little.
>>47578290
Red Butchers to similar degree. WS5, 2W, Hatred, pseudo-fleet, 2 weapons, +1S AP2, 6+++, 5+++ with Crimson Path. Only drawback is always being hit on 3s and Unwieldy.
>>47579082
So we solve the wraith problem the same way we solve every problem. Lots and lots and lots of phosphex.
>>47579082
To take space elves vs. Matian death rays to it's logical extreme how well would wraith shit fair against a Glaive's Volkite gun? I'm not familiar enough with it to make an educated guess.
>>47578820
When will Elfdar supremacy be broken?
>>47579183
Obliterated.
>>47579089
Aren't red butchers expensive as fuck? Also my main point was just AP 2 before I 1. Deathshrouds cost like 40 per dude have a +1 strength AP 2 weapon (-1 initiative), and two wounds and can even be taken as a mandatory HQ choice IIRC if for some reason you want the most 2 wound terminators possible.
>Cheap ass delegatus (pride of the legion)
>Deathshroud command squad
>2x Deathshrouds as HQ choices
>4x Deathshrouds as Elites Choices
>6x Deathshrouds as Troop Choices
Just 1270 points and you have 13 scoring units with 4 wounds an a 2+ and an invul. Not a good list but pretty hilarious take on pride of the legion.
>>47579260
When it is replaced with Tau supremacy. We have long ago entered the era of the xenos.
>>47579183
A Wraithknight would take 1+D3 hits, so up to 4 S8 AP2 hits, plus deflagrate.With bad saves, you can do 8 wounds in one shot, since each initial unsaved wound procs deflagrate. Not too terrible, but you're still wounding on 4s.
Fuck, I want a Glaive, but it wouldn't really fit with my murderhorde.
>>47575359
>25th June
>Leaving for Singapore, basically a no man's land for GW the day after
That was close.
>>47575412
Consecrators get a wee bit of attention in Unforgiven, at last. They're pretty cool, they CM is an ex-interrogator Chaplain that got several Fallen to repent.
>>47579065
That's one big list of poor excuses
>>47579278
At that point you might as well say fuck it take Mortarion and crew's Primarchs chosen.
>>47579440
Anon, maybe you should stop commenting on things you don't understand, like tactics, EC or legions in general.
>>47579376
They're not points-efficient versus the wraithknight, (but then nothing is,) but I wonder if laser vindicators are a solid way of hurting it. 3 S9 AP1 shots from each is a decent effort.
>>47579376
What about sniper vets with heavy bolters?
>>47579440
As opposed to Suzerains
>They are great if they get charged
>Except they have 1 wound and only a 5+ invul save
If I wanted a unit to tank hits I would take something like Firedrakes, Deathshrouds, or Justaerin since they actually have a good invul save and two wounds. Suzerains have no flexibility, they tank hits and they swing with AP 2 power swords. Palatines can be made cheap, they can be made to kill terminators, kill marines, kill guardsmen. Deathshrouds can be made much cheaper than Suzerains and can actually tank hits well.
>>47579278
Deathshroud really are one of the best terminator choices in all of 30k seeing as they can deal with just about anything on the board. They might not hold up against SA termies or Justaerins, but their point cost is much more bang for their buck as apposed to those termies. Not only that, pair them with Crysos Morturg who can infiltrate with rad grenades and cast Endurance every turn and you have a very very nasty unit on the table that will fuck up anything short of a primarch. They are even 10 points cheaper for 5 dudes vs 15 tacticals with geared out serg.
>>47579501
There's also the Cerberus, which fires D3 S10 AP1 shots twin-linked. Like 100 points less, and 72" to keep away from Wraithknight D-shots.
>>47579540
Gargantuan Creatures are only wounded by Sniper weapons on a 6, so they're no better than regular heavy bolter guys, and also only AP4.
>>47579490
>maybe you should stop commenting on things you don't understand
>like tactics
>lmao just don't get charged
>lmao just don't charge these units that suzerains can take care of
>I have spare elite slots therefore everyone does
>let's just pretend that implacable advance isn't a giant advantage
Oh the irony.
>>47579673
>>lmao just don't charge these units that suzerains can take care of
Name one unit that Suzerains can take care of that Palatines can't.
>>47579673
>lmao just don't get charged
You have jump packs, almost no one else does.
>lmao just don't charge these units that suzerains can take care of
Wait, is your opponent deciding who your units are charging? You ought to tell them that's not how the game works.
>I have spare elite slots therefore everyone does
Units take up slots, omg!
>let's just pretend that implacable advance isn't a giant advantage
>Using palatines to score objectives
In the words of Sheldon plankton, double irony.
>>47579656
>Gargantuan Creatures are only wounded by Sniper weapons on a 6, so they're no better than regular heavy bolter guys, and also only AP4.
Oh, yeah. Still good against Riptides though.
>This [unit specific to legion A] is a suboptimal choice compared to [unit specific to legion B]
>So why would I pick [unit specific to legion A]?
Because you like legion A perhaps? It's not all about rules.
>>47579708
Any type of Castellax or larger
Terminator Command Squads
Terminators with an attached Chaplain
Storm Shield Terminators
Legion-specific Terminators with Stubborn or Fearless
Terminators with an attached Primus Medicae
Basically anything with 2+ strong enough to tank the brunt of the charge
>>47579787
Thanks for letting me know that you're a contrarian that has to reply with counter-arguments no matter how pointless they are, time to go paint my models instead of getting stuck in a loop with you.
>>47579975
>Thanks for letting me know that you're a contrarian that has to reply with counter-arguments no matter how pointless they are, time to go paint my models instead of getting stuck in a loop with you.
So you have no counter-arguments? Palatines aren't that hard to use nor bad, but I guess it makes sense for an EC to constantly whine about how much better Ultras are.
I accidentally took the centre double spread out of my Retribution book
I wouldn't be so bothered but I'm a WS guy and these pages are pretty much all the White Scars rules
Help me /hhg/, you're my only hope
>>47580174
Ah cheers, probably should of made it clearer that I was looking to see if anyone had any ideas how I could get the pages back in
Cheers anyway though
>>47580064
That is just a suggestion, others can tell you if it's a bad idea, but maybe a very small amount of superglue where it used to be attached? Just on the thin "line" or "back" of the pages.
>>47580247
>>47580206
>>47580064
haha, looks like I totally misread what you meant.
I'm definitely thinking about making the jump and buying BaC to make an AL army.
However, I never played the game, I was more into the modelism aspect of the hobby.
Would it be a bad idea to start with 30k? I take it I still need to learn the game rules from the standard 40k rulebook though?
>>47580373
30k is a superior game in every aspect.
The only problem is that it is expensive, and so, not many players plays it.
BaC definitely multiply the number of players, but it's better if you check your local community and see if there are enough guys to play with.
>>47580467
Whilst 30K is better overall, it's not superior in every aspect.
Marine vs Marine can get pretty boring even with different legions and RoWs, and there generally aren't many mech, SA, or IM players in my experience.
One thing 40k does have going is the level of choice available, however this does mean it ends up unbalanced easier.
>>47580373
>I'm definitely thinking about making the jump and buying BaC to make an AL army.
Go for it, Alpha Legion have a fairly solid rule set and some interesting special characters.
>However, I never played the game, I was more into the modelism aspect of the hobby.
This is fine too, 30k has a lot of opportunity for model customisation and making special snowflake commanders/units.
>Would it be a bad idea to start with 30k? I take it I still need to learn the game rules from the standard 40k rulebook though?
30k and 40k use the same basic rules so if you can play one you can play the other, you don't need a background playing 40k before you start 30k. Also 30k is more balanced than 40k, sure there are some dick players but since most armies get access to the same stuff it's a lot harder to be super cheese.
>>47580467
>>47580605
>>47580608
Sound. I'll probably buy BaC before moving out of the UK at the end of the month , as the prices are better here than where I'm going and I don't want to buy there in panic because BaC is being taken off the shelves in favour of a new boxed set.
>>47580674
Why are you leaving bongistan anon, this is the home of our glorious GW overlordsAre you going to teach alpha legion geometry to poor vietnamese children?
Can someone explain the legions and their playstyles in simple details for someone who doesn't know much about 30/40k? I want to introduce one of my friends to the game, so I want to be able to show them/be able to explain them without going into too much detail, as I am oft too do.
Also need pics of their color schemes as well for visual references.
>>47580765
Going to study French Law for my degree. Could be worse, price and fanbase-wise. Apart from Germany, France is probably the most /tg/ country in continental Europe and the prices are reasonnable.
Friend of mine is going to Australia, I weep for his wallet.
>>47580813
Have you tried reading the wiki's summaries and producing a shortened version from them? Srsly, they're quite complete
>>47580813
We're not your secretaries, google that shit.
>>47580844
>France is probably the most /tg/ country
I did hear that Battlefleet Gothic did have a sizable player base in France.
>>47580844
>France is probably the most /tg/ country in continental Europe
Damn straight, studying here right now and having a blast. Unfortunately RPGs can be a little difficult when you're not a native speaker. Oh well, at least I can play wargames without too much trouble.
>>47580813
Raven Guard(XIX) Basic Principles:
>Infiltrate a lot, shock assault with the rest.
>The best at wholesale slaughter of line troops due to unique units/rites/tactics/relic.
>Almost always goes first due to rites/characters.
>Fights dirty
>Primarch is one of three primarchs that do not require a transport and retinue tax to be playable. In fact is best on his own.
>So easy to kit for killing dudes that AT can be a weakness if you're not careful.
>Aircraft>tanks
>>47580813
Have you tried looking in the books?
>>47580813
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_%2830k%29#Legion_Specific_Rules.2C_Units_and_Characters
>>47580896
Indeed.
I have several old grognards in my old FLG there that were delighted by the video game and the new fans it brought to the tables from what they told me.
>>47580918
Fortunately for me, I'm french to begin with, I went to the UK to study.
I'll be an exchange student in my own country, weirdly enough.
I just hope to god the new shops I'll be going to won't use the french names. Otherwise I'm going to be confused as fuck, got used to the english terms.
>>47580373
The good news is you can a lot of 30k models in 40k too (probably using the normal Space Marine codex rather than the Chaos Space Marines codex, but who knows). At the moment 40k is a bit of a mess, more unbalanced than it’s been in a long time. Partly due to its lack of variety, 30k is relatively well balanced. A lot of the storywriting is better, too.
You do need the 40k rulebook. The Horus Heresy books just replace the 40k codices (army lists).
>>47581022
Did any of you think GW discontinued it out of spite for Frenchfags?
>>47581174
I doubt it, since a French studio is making Battlefleet Gothic: Armada rn
>>47580856
Actually that completely slipped my mind. Thanks for reminding me about that!
>>47580877
Too lazy, sorry.
>>47580945
Thanks mate! This is the sort of stuff I need.
>>47580951
What do you mean?
>>47580978
A wee bit too complicated for beginners, I'd think.
>>47581222
The Forge World books.
>>47579147
Is that you, Lion El'?
Anyone have an idea of when the Leman Russ model will be out? I'm starting to get impatient...
>>47581336
Probably on the next open day, the same way Guilliman was released. That or when Inferno is out.
>>47581222
Victorus Aut Mortis
>>47581336
Too soon. 30k was the last refuge from the wolftards for a while
Does anyone here listen to the eye of horus podcast? They are fucking awesome
>>47581484
I'm honestly surprised aussies of all people are making a 30k podcast .
FW and Australia prices is a double whammy for the poor bastards.
But they're pretty great to just chill listening to, I listen to them while I paint my guys.And by paint my guys I mean wistfully stare at FW's online store and contemplate selling a kidney
>>47581546
FW doesn’t set separate prices for different countries – everyone has to buy in GBP, so you’re only hurt by the exchange rate (which, granted, is bad for Australia right now). Meanwhile, GW has raised its prices so high there that plastic stuff is almost as expensive as FW models. That’s why 30k is relatively strong there.
>>47581484
I never quite understood their slogan, shouldn't it be "coffee is for fully painted armies"?
So I finally got into Overwatch (I know, I'm late) and this guy reminds me of Konrad
>>47582260
I prefer his mariachi skin.
>>47582260
No one cares
>>47581222
>too lazy, sorry
Fuck off, then.
What 30k legion and Primarch are you?
https://www.quotev.com/quiz/1334826/What-40K-Primarch-are-you-most-like
https://www.quotev.com/quiz/474091/Which-of-the-Space-Marine-First-Founding-Chapters-best-suits-you
I got both Lorgar and Word Bearers, which is cool.
>>47581222
>A wee bit too complicated for beginners, I'd think.
Just skip to the legion summary. It's as simple as I've seen.
>>47582634
Wow, what a surprise.
>>47582634
Arguably, only 9 of those are First Founding Chapters
>Sanguinius
>Ultramarines
fug, at least I got a good Primarch.
>>47582634
Already did these before and got Bangles and Papa Sang.
Associate one loyalist and one traitor primarch with each enneagram type
>>47582956
Guilliman is the loyal skeptic.
>>47581463
I really don't get the Space Wolf hate. Great looking models, good lore, and a pretty unique imprint on the series that other factions don't have.
Mostly I think it's just that Vikings are popular right now and so a lot of new players like the Space Wolves, but the douchiness about it gets really old.
>>47583054
My friend, that is not the case. It's the Wolves. No seriously. It's wolf this, advanced wolfvery, wolf claws, wolf hammers, wolf ships, storm wolves, the freezing tech, and all of the gave birth to the Overwolf.
>>47583054
Yeah, I never ran into any Space Wolf players worth complaining about. I get joking about how GW took the wolfiness way too far, but what did the player base ever do?
>>47581222
>A wee bit too complicated for beginners, I'd think.
You sure you're playing the right game, then?
>>47583152
Because no fanbase is a hive mind, it wasn't the whole SW playerbase. Vocal minorities, false flags set by people wanting to stir up trouble, all of that unsweetened jazz.
>>47583054
>a pretty unique imprint on the series that other factions don't have
What would that be?
>>47583234
Wolf pelts, weird psykers, ork-like jag patterns on some of their vehicles and armor plates, '80s metal hairstyles.
>>47582634
Vulkan and Dangles. So... Burning heretics?
>>47584076
Deforestation. Now I know how my DA Host got along with the Sallies they hung out with.
>>47583312
Sounds a lot like early Eldar
>>47582634
Blood Angels and Sanguinius.
So I've decided on either IW or TS for my army but I don't know if I should wait until the prospero book comes out. Is the burning at Calth set going to be gone when the new book comes out?
>>47584438
Betrayal at Calth isn't going anywhere soon, it's far too profitable. So wait until the Prospero book comes out to see if the TS are to your liking before making an army you'll regret.
>>47582260
So, Gabriel Reyes reminds you of Konrad, huh.
>>47578076
Did they have much Fallen hunting during HH?
>>47584511
You know what's more profitable than Betrayal at Calth? Reboxing its contents and selling them at normal 40k plastic prices, that's what.
I wouldn't expect it to be around forever.
>>47584511
If the rumors are as true as last year's then B@C will probably be replaced by another box set and its contents will be repackaged and sold as normal products, which is the case for all "board game" boxes.
Is 85 - 90 degrees F too hot to spray paint outside? I'm almost done with almost all my Fists but it has been hot as balls in California this week.
>>47584593
Uh… there weren't any Fallen until the HH. The end of the HH, in fact.
>>47584731
Yeah, spray in the evening, or in a garage using a large box on its side, open on both ends, with a big air filter on one side (like for a home heating furnace) and a fan on the other side of the filter to pull the paint through the filter.
>>47582634
>Duty
>Observe the duel
>Can't sleep
>Calculate the enemy's strenght
>Knight
I got Konrad! As in, Konrad, the dutiful, analitic knight. Yeah right.
I...wasn't the best I could have been. Decimate me, sempai :/
>>47584511
Okay, I love the siege warfare of the IW but hate the hazard stripes on their armor and I don't mind TS style of warfare but I love their color scheme and Egyptian themes. Has their been a release date announced? I just know that it's supposed to come out late this year.
>>47579395
why is this dark angel dude wearing an alpha legion helmet?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99550102207_AlphaLegionMkIVHeads01.jpg
Top center
>>47585025
The Alpha Legion may have started it, but everyone agreed on it was a great design.
>>47579395
What's the deal with those three lines on the SoB helmet? It's either my eyes, or the artist forgot to add in some details.
>>47585124
Those are wires sticking out of the ground.
Though I'll say that they look a bit odd in the pic. Maybe the perspective is off?
Help me with my list 30k dudes. I'm working with what I have...which is a lot of plastic, but if you have any recommendations on how to balance the points around please help out. This is my first time building a 2500 point list after getting help here yesterday:
Imperial Fists/Questoris Knights Male Power Fantasy + Robot Fetish List
2500/2500
Fists
HQ
Sigismund 230 pts
Troops
10 x Tacticals, Sgt with AA, Rhino, 195 pts
10 x Tacticals, Sgt with AA, Rhino, 195 pts
5 x Templar Bros, Combat Shields, Sgt with Power Fist, Land Raider, 455 pts
Heavy Support
Vindicator, Dozer Blade, Machine Spirit, 150 pts
Questoris Knights
HQ
Seneschal, Knight Warden, Occular Augmetics, Thunderstrike Gauntlet (Rule of Cool) 445 pts
Troops
Martial, Knight Gallant, Meltagun, 330 pts
Heavy Support
Arbalester, Knight Crusader, Meltagun, Stormspear Rocket Pod, Heavy Battlecannon, 500 pts
The idea is to use the list for 2500 point games, and drop the 500 point Arbalester for a really easy way to go down to a 2000 point game if an opponent would prefer. the original idea was to have a grand crusade with Sigismund leading a Knight House to battle, but seeing how many points that deathstar is...I'm open to suggestions for a cheaper HQ.
>>47585143
That has to be it. I'm calling it a day and going to sleep. May Leto Duratus I guard over my dreams.
Convince me to like your favorite legion and/or primarch.
I made this as a banner/heraldry for my Traitor Mechaniucm. The rune script in the corners says The Death Of Flesh, and the stuff around the middle just says Ave Omnissiah.
>>47585582
It's not entirely original, I should say. I took a flaming wolf skull that someone drew on deviantart and shooped it a bunch in gimp.
>>47579975
>Castellax or larger
Castellax are T 7, Palatines can wound that on a six, Thanatars are T 8, palatines can wound those on sixes as well.
>Terminator Command Squads
Ten Palatines with shriekers and five spears inflict about 5 wounds on a terminator (cataphractii) command squad before the terminators can hit. That is just 305 points, cheaper than the same number of Suzerains. If you want to go all the way ten spears still infilct 6 wounds completely wiping out the unit before they can strike back. Ten suzerains inflict just three wounds against the terminators on average.
>Storm Shield Terminators
>Legion-specific Terminators with Stubborn or Fearless
>Terminators with an attached Primus Medicae
Lets look at Suzerains fighting these things.
>Suzerains get 30 attacks, 15 hits, 7.5 wounds, and 2.5 unsaved wounds
>Suzerains get 30 attacks, 15 hits, 7.5 wounds, and either 5 or 3.75 unsaved wounds, since most legion terminators have two wounds you only killed 1-3 models
>Suzerains get 30 attacks, 15 hits, 7.5 wounds, and either 5 or 3.75 unsaved wounds, 3.33 or 2.5 fail the FnP
>Basically anything with 2+ strong enough to tank the brunt of the charge
All of those things can kill Suzerains too.
Also you seem to be of the idea that EC shouldn't expect to get the charge. Here's the thing about EC their army is based around getting the charge even moreso than the World Eaters. The primary benefit of their Legiones Astartes rules is the +1 initiative for the units on the charge, the EC have a good AP 2 at initiative weapon that also requires the charge, Eidolon has an initiative 6 thunder hammer, when he gets the charge. If you aren't consistently getting the charge while playing Emperor's Children you are playing the wrong army or you are playing a Third Company gunline (which while fun has nothing to do with this topic).
>>47586112
At least take into account what a legatine axe does.
>>47586368
So a Legatine axe has an advantage at killing things that at T 9 or T 10. Doesn't leave you many targets where it beats a Phoenix Spear on the charge.
Where the hell are the rules for the Refractor Field? I'm trying to put together a Mechanicum list and the Dominus has got one, but I can't find it in the wargear section anywhere, nor does it seem to be on the Dominus' page in the Taghmata Red Book.
>>47571303
dat ugly face tho
>>47586477
5+ Invulnerable Save
It's a fairly generic piece of wargear, so I don't know exactly where the rules for it will be in the Taghmata red book (if they're even there), but it's mentioned along with Iron Halos in book 4
>>47586787
Thank you anon-kun, I'll give the automata a hug for you!
>>47585611
>>47585582
Fits, prettyspooky.
Let's bet, FW store update today yes/no.
>>47587064
I'm hoping yes, but most likely no.
>>47587064
Who's the next primarch?
>>47586436
Pretty much only T7+.
Obviously Palatine Blades are extremely effective on the charge against pretty much anything, just avoid Castellax.
>>47587191
Russ this year, followed by Magnus . And then Alpha & Dorn in no specific order at some point.
New Titan Weapons https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/New
>>47587272
Wohoo so fun.....
Thanks for linking though.
>FW,gib more infantry.
>>47587272
Fuck this awful earth, I just bought one with the apocalypse missiles, volcano canon and claw and I don't even know what the fuck any of it does
>>47587206
We already have alpharius
>>47582634
Magnus the Red and the Black Legion. Interesting.
>>47587322
Hoo boy, well...
Be hapy now you can buy more weapons to change the load out .
>>47587322
Volcano cannon is a D ten inch blast that re-rolls ones against vehicles. Claw does the same with 4 attacks in close combat and the missile launchers are two S7 AP3 apocalyptic barrages (5).
>>47582634
>Dark Angels
>Alpha Legion
First and Last. Alpha and Omega.
>>47582634
Sanguiniusand Sallamanders....
Hmmm.
I prefer IH pragmatism though.
>>47583144
This I totally agree with. I just don't think they're the detriment to the setting some people seem to think they are.
>>47583234
First founding legion whose planet worships them and calls the mountain they live on asaheim which is Norse for home of gods, one of the few legions/chapters that has anything to do with the culture of their home planet, and one of the few groups in the whole setting that sticks their neck out to help common people for reasons other than strategic advantage )see first war for Armageddon)
>>47587602
Sallies and Celestial Lions are great guys too.
>>47587543
Fuck me, well I still have time to phone FW and get some swaps. The triple lasers seem more worthwhile.
>>47587698
2 sets of 3 D large blasts, costs 100 points more. I'd go with these, the marco-gatling blaster and a quake cannon.
>>47587785
Does 100 points really fucking matter when you're taking a warlord titan?
>>47585497
Because they're prettyrad.
>>47587602
>one of the few legions/chapters that has anything to do with the culture of their home planet
most of the legions are heavily influenced by the culture and practices of their home planets
>>47585497
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Imperial_Fists#What_it_means_to_be_an_Imperial_Fist
>>47588140
Of course not.
>>47585497
Ferrus was probably the only one who accepted and embraced his purpose copletely.
He KNEW he was created for a specific task, fighting the emperors wars.
This he did , with full commitment and no shots pulled.
No compromise and complete dedication to end the great crusade as fast as he could.
>>47588396
>Ferrus was probably the only one who accepted and embraced his purpose completely.
>>47588411
Dorn is a close contender, but FW did write about him being an idealist at heart.
Manus was killed because he got angry at betrayal.
Dorn sort of broke under the stress and led his guys into the iron cage which..well broke them even more.
Seems similar, but I believe had Manus survived he would not have gone through that phase.
>>47588433
Or rtaher, not stress but how everything he fought for went to shit.
>>47588433
>Dorn sort of broke under the stress and led his guys into the iron cage which..well broke them even more.
He was the blade of the Emperor, what is a blade without a wielder?
Also, is there something I should read to get into the mind of the Manus?
>>47588613
I am only in FW lore.
No idea about BL.
>>47571671
>ruin
It depends on which legion (and armour mark) you have.
The basic FW Tartaros is far too sleek to match the aesthetic of a bunch of Mk3 Iron Warrios, and even for "vanilla" legions, it's noticeably bare of decoration, so for Praetors and stuff, it's good at least that they're giving it some bling.
>>47588613
Feat of Iron. It's not a very good story but it has one really good bit where Ferrus Manus relates himself to his brothers.
While everyone else saw him as the super reliable one who would always get the job done, he saw himself as less than them. On his homeworld he was Conan the Barbarian, but what if Conan was thrown into the Justice League? He wouldn't exactly feel like he could compare.
>>47581484
Top notch podcast!
>>47588825
It's weird to think of Manus as Conan for me since Corax literally looks like Conan with a similar backstory...
>>47586112
>Thanatars are T 8, palatines can wound those on sixes as well
... On the charge, if it survives the Palatines become squished into robot juice.
Is it unreasonable to consider "if you don't get the charge off you lose, and even if you do get the charge off you might lose" a giant tactical disadvantage?
I play EC primarily for the paint scheme, the models and the fluff, having to use their rules is just a byproduct of that.
>>47587193
The calculations for the Suzerains are a bit off. For example, charging MEQs would produce 30 dice where 5 dice are 6s and autowound and 15 dice are 3s, 4s or 5s and wound normally. Those 15 hits cause 7.5 wounds, and adding the autowounds the total would come to 12.5 wounds.
The same applies to every other calculations, and they will all produce slightly more unsaved wounds.
I'd love to see an updated spreadsheet with this taken in account.
>>47587602
>one of the few legions/chapters that has anything to do with the culture of their home planet
ROME FOR THE ROME GOD, 500 WORLDS FOR THE WORLD THRONE!
>>47589107
>>47586368
Woah, it says Legatine axes have "different-Rending", not that "it's an unsaved wound on a 6, don't even bother using invulns"
>>47588940
It's not really about the backstory. More about the skillset. Conan succeeded through strength, not hit and run tactics.
>>47589107
You're right! I will be back with the correct numbers and some more units added.
Speaking of Invictarius Suezarians mind if I talk about the Suezarian I rolled up with the Knight Errant generator?
Gaius Aulus was a Terran marine known as "The Who" due to his brothers forgetting about him constantly. He never held it against them, but was annoyed as he felt it got old. This lead to him being only a 90% team player as he thought he needed to make a name for himself. He would become an Invictarius, but remained forgettable(he felt that Rowboat saw to that as a light-hearted practical joke). His time to truly shine emerged during the Horus Heresy when he was offered the chance to become a Knight Errant.
He no longer felt the need to make a name for himself as the Emperor's Regent(and by extension the Emperor possibly) knew his name. He thought to have died on a Traitor attack on Marania III, but many traitors were carved with "I may be forgotten, but I will never forget your betrayal. If you want to know my name it's Gaius Aulus" after the attack.
>>47589756
Kind of setting him up for terribad jokes with that name though.
>I did not see this treachery coming, but I won't get fooled again.
etc. etc.
>>47589798
I have a high tolerance of those kind of jokes. Pic related is source of inspiration.
>>47589756
Sounds pretty shit desu, a copy of Iacton Qurze whether intentional or not and quite out of character for people mentioned. Also the carving thing is retarded, you ever actually tried to carve something? Even a single word takes ages while you want to write a whole Liam Neeson catchphrase in some guy, maybe make it a small brand or something. I can imagine the battle being over and people are awkwardly standing about while Snowflake McGee carves his entire life story in some dead guy.
Also "he was offered the chance to become a Knight Errant" is very bland, every KE so far has some interesting story to how he became one, needs more development.
>>47588613
Angel Exterminatus has a short but valuable part on Ferrus.
How do you guys paint the reverse of your banners?
>>47589993
If I wasn't retarded I wouldn't be on this site. How do I fix this?
>>47587193
Where are you getting your numbers for Suzerains inflicting wounds on T7?
>Suzerains get 13.333 hits
>Wound on sixes (would autowound anyway but still would need a six anyway)
>Score 2.222 wounds
Where are they getting the extra wounds from?
>>47589015
>... On the charge, if it survives the Palatines become squished into robot juice.
Why are you letting a castellax charge your palatines? Also Suzerains wouldn't fair much better. Palatines with shriekers would only be hit on a 5+ (hit chart is weird) as the castellax would be WS 2 vs WS 5. So for palatines taking lets say 10 S 6 AP 2 attacks from Castellax they take 3.333 hits and 2.77 wounds with no saves. Suzerains against the same take 5 hits, 4.17 wounds, and fail 2.77 saves.
>Is it unreasonable to consider "if you don't get the charge off you lose, and even if you do get the charge off you might lose" a giant tactical disadvantage?
Its a tactical disadvantage but the EC are based around mobility and aggression in battle. It is something to expect, you have to get the charge and with the charge you have a massive advantage. Striking first is huge and makes EC have some of, if not the best despoilers in the game. Regardless at the end of the day Palatine Blades beat Suzerains because their tactics work alongside those of the rest of their legion anyway, they are more lethal under the circumstances you are supposed to find yourself in, and they are far more versatile.
Want to kill regular marines with Suzerains? Have fun paying 40-32.5 points per dude to get 3 attacks S4 attacks on the charge per man, Palatines could take power spears or power swords giving them up to 40 S 4 or 5 AP 3 attacks on the charge. Want to kill command squads? Palatines can pretty much do it with just 5 Phoenix Spears since they have sonic shriekers allowing them to hit the command squad on a 3+. Want to mulch cheap GEQs? Palatines can do it better and cheaper.
>>47590077
Change forgettable to something like humble or how he preferred to avoid the limelight and wasn't boastful of his achievements.
Think up a good reason for him becoming a KE.
The carving could either be a brand heated one his plasma pistols energy coils and branded into the highest ranking dead enemy or either a quick carve like the ultramarines symbol.
>>47590133
They wound on to-hit rolls of 6, so out of 20 attacks 3.33 would autowound. Of the remaining 10 hits they need to roll 6s to wound, so another 1.66 would be caused, for a total of 5. >>47587193 has made the mistake of dividing the hits by 6 to get the number of autowounds, when he should have divided the attacks. Essentially, the autowound ability becomes more and more useful the tougher the target as it gets a load of wounds through that you would have had to roll high for otherwise.
>>47590173
Well I did get loyalty is its own reward as a result so avoiding the limelight is a good alternative.
>Think up a good reason for him becoming a KE.
Because Suezarians are OP? I kid. Maybe something involving resisting daemonic promises with humility? No that's a bland reason too.
>The carving could either be a brand heated one his plasma pistols energy coils and branded into the highest ranking dead enemy or either a quick carve like the ultramarines symbol.
Thank you for that idea. Still you gave me a laugh with what you said about people waiting for him to hurry up writing his life story on dead traitors.
>this isn't working
>decides to leave autobiographies on every dead traitor
>uses Legatine axe to get more trees to turn into paper
>gets remembered as Paul Bunion in space
>earns DA points for deforestation
>>47590173
a power maul with a unique symbol on its head would probably leave some interesting corpses
>>47590133
P.S. this whole thing started because of mentioning their use in 40k. 30 AP 2 attacks on the charge seems excessive as hell for 40k and honestly I would probably field my Palatines as something like
>10 dudes, 5 lances, 5 spears
or
>10 dudes, 5 spears, 5 swords
or
>10 dudes, 5 spears, 5 sabres
Wouldn't even bother with shriekers outside of assassination units, although jump packs would be a nice addition.
>>47590265
Fuck I gotta learn to read. I kept skimming and assuming it was wound rolls of 6 autowound. So yes Suzerains are better against T7+ MCs.
>>47589756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
>>47590066
With Aloha heraldry :^)
>>47590350
How fitting.
>>47590321
They're also better against T6, and just as good against T5, and better against both T5 and T6 when not charging, as long as the unit is not WS5+.
Got my first event coming up. 2000 points of Alpha Legion
Currently I'm looking at this
HQ
Siege Breaker w/ cataphractii
Elites
10 Lerneaens
Mortis Contemptor w/ Kheres
Troops
2x10 Tacticals in Rhinos
Fast
10 Headhunters w/ combi-plasma
Heavy
10 missile heavies
I've got about 120 points left over. I could drop the Lerneaens down to 5 and cut back on some missiles to fit more in. What would you recommend?
>>47590508
Shame that the vastly overwhelming majority of opponents will be T4.
>>47572905
Mee too so i started converting this guy.
(all my EC termies are Tartaros pattern)
Need some advice as what to put in his left hand as sadly the shield is not an option,
>>47590608
One of those gauntlet-mounted GK stormbolters, counting as a combi-bolter? The fluff for them is to better wield their two handed weapons, so it'd be fitting.
>>47590632
Good idea.
