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In the last bread we saw the Warhammer Word exclusive, discussed if it looked more like Tartaros, an EC Anon needed help deciding what to get, murdering Eldar with Volkite is an undisputed goal all should strive for, Suezarians remain stronk, I got help making my KE, an Anon made the jump to 30k, FW released something new, and much more in the old thread >>47570876
Red Book Links:
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HH Book 6 - Retribution PDF:
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HHG FAQ - http://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
Official HH 7th Edition Errata (Updated January 2016) - http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/fw_site/fw_pdfs/Horus_Heresy/Horus_Heresy_7th_Edition.pdf
Other official downloads: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads#horusheresy
HH Rules:
Crusade Army List: http://www.mediafire.com/download/1lprm5vd99yafa3/
Mechanicum Taghmata Army List: https://mega.nz/#!LFwTjQ7B!mF0eVOY8P1MPT0a-QSXypXo_ZfskhYynD41PrkaTbD8
30k/40k Rules: https://mega.nz/#F!pFgm0RKR!J06C1gVYcjzNGsF8YNLsjQ!EVh0GZZS
30k/40k Rules and more (torrents): https://kat.cr/usearch/%22Forge%20World%22%20heresy%20user:epistolary/
30k Black Library: https://mega.nz/#F!0RlxDZQC!qAu9BaubWa3KeihJRmOcsg
>>47599481
Claimed by 9th legion. For Sanguinius!
>>47599481
2nd for XIX Predation Fleets
Is there a tutorial on how to make combi-plasmas with the B@C terminator combi-bolters? I know some people have done it but I'd like to know the whole process before fucking it all up.
Help.
>>47599558
I bet he'll be like a flying monstrous creature. When will the daemon primarchs will be a thing?
>>47599558
>double dubs
Praise be to Papa Sang.
>>47599666
>666
By your will, it shall be done.
>>47599666
What always gets me is what Would Sanguinius be like as a daemon primarch. I mean,Fulgrim was the embodiment of human perfection, and he mutated into a huge marilith. Would Sanguinius have gone completely vampire, or full-blown eldritch horror angel?
>>47599839
He would have been the perfect embodiment of Chaos, seeing as he was the perfect embodyment of Humanity.
So we will never know.
>>47599666
>we'll never have a mass Satan convention ever again
>>47599839
>implying such a fabulous cinnamon bun could ever turn
>>47599684
The Great Angel was smiling on us today, brother.
>>47599863
Its a thought exercise, brother- don't misunderstand me. The Angel was incorruptible.
>>47599866
If I ever find a flgs I'll try playing some Bangles.
>>47599895
BaC first, and then sell my appendix for future models right? Also what's good for a starter Mechanium list for anyone who's not Bill Gates?
>>47599815
:^)
>>47599839
>I mean,Fulgrim was the embodiment of human perfection, and he mutated into a huge marilith
The body came to reflect the man's mind.
Sanguinius himself dreamt about what he would have been (Fear to tread): A literal blood angel, with skeleton wings.
So yeah, full-blown eldritch horror angel.
>>47599863
That was a good thread. And by good I mean absolutely evil.
>>implying such a fabulous cinnamon bun could ever turn
Of course he was. He loved his children beyond all reason, and he was willing to sacrifice himself in order to, as he wrongly though, save them. IfMeroshadn't sacrificed himself instead of him, we would have the True Red Angel, to kick the shit out of Angron, >>47599895
>>47599663
This also interests me.
>>47600001
>evil
If Hell is like the mass Satan convention then maybe Hell isn't so bad.
>literal blood angel
Papa Sang must not know what true terror is. Blood isn't scary, skeletons are.
>>47600038
Cut the other side of the combi-bolter so that only the part with the ejection port remains. Attach it to the other side and the add the plasmapistol. You'll need to make the plasma pisto a bit thinner on one side to align it completely with the bolter part. Fill any gaps and the ejection port with GS.
>>47600376
Also I forgot to mention that you need to attach the plasma pistol part upside down if you use this method.
17th for 17th Legion!
>>47600405
>18th post
Where's the Failure-slapping-vore when you need it?
Stat the ИC-7 Soviet Super-Heavy tank for 30/40k.
>>47600376
Thanks m8
>>47600640
This is a lot to take in. What's going on in this pic?
>>47600755
AV10/10/10 HP1
S7 AP3 48" Heavy 1
>>47600973
A whole lot of metal. I don't know the setting completely but what I do know is that apparently humans got wiped out, and robots were divided into factions over who's humanity's successor. One of them is bio-mechanical, American, and they have a T-Rex. The other looks more practical. And the Pentagon went full Skynet and nuked everyone, and had a baby that had a baby who's baby became that brain in the bottom picture.
>>47601105
Oh and there is a Brit looking robo-gorilla for some reason near the T-Rex.
Google, that's wrong.
>>47601217
Facebook memes! My favorite! Let me press that like button so my mom can also "lol".
>>47601217
worst primarch paired with an equally bad meme good choice anon
>>47600755
AV/14/13/12 HP 4
S8 AP3 Heavy 1
7 Heavy Stubbers
Co-Axial Heavy Stubber
May move 12" instead of 6".
Searchlight
Smoke launchers
?
>>47601411
>S8 AP3 Heavy 1 72"
>7 Heavy Stubbers OR 7 Heavy Bolters, whichever seems more appropriate.
>Co-Axial Heavy Stubber OR Co-Axial Heavy Bolter, whichever seems more appropriate.
Just out of interest, how upset are you yiffs/Vlka Fenryka players that Leman Russ' model wont include Geri and Freki?
Also, are they going to be called the Vlka Fenryka or Space Wolves in the HH?
Anyone actually use the campaign or scenario rules in the big black books before?
Now that my local HH meta is picking up it might be fun to try some out
>>47601094
Did you write the Ork codex?
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-US/The-Legion-Devastation-Force
Should I get this?
>>47600038
B@C pistols on one side and the combi bolter on the other side, ~FIN~
>>47602004
Wait a minute...
Discounting the Techmarine and Vehicles, and including the BaC boxes, that's like:
>180 Legion Tacticals
>30 Cataphractii Terminators
>6 Contemptor Dreadnoughts
>6 Cataphractii Praetors
>6 Legion Chaplains
>1 6ft. tall poster of a Space Marine of a legion of your choice.
That's one huge army. I don't know how much I'd save on that, or even how much it is in American $, or what the shipping costs to California would be, but it's a lot.
But the poster would be cool to have.
I guess I could make two armies and introduce my friends to the game, or something?
Hmmm.... I know I want to start up a Word Bearers army, but I'm not sure what to make the 3 BaC boxes. Ultramarines?
>>47601842
Really though, dragging and dropping real tanks is going to make their stats terrible compared to the ceramite-slabbed nuclear powered tanks of 40k
>>47602198
Sweet Night Lords, anon!
>>47602235
On one hand, I could get a poster.
On the other hand, I'd end up buying a ton of models that I'd likely end up not using.
Truly, a grand dilemma, as I have a love of posters.
Who's the best space marine in 30k and why is it Sigismund?
>>47600001
>kick the shit out of Angron
>Implying
>>47602465
The best space marines in 30k are the nameless line troops, who don't have people trying to masturbate over how high their powerlevels are. The guys who have to deal with all the bullshit without fancy toys and plot armour.
>>47602945
This is why i refuse to run my Primarch of first captain
It feels so much better taking down a primarch with nameless soldiers than if you just threw some expensive meatgrinder of a named character at them
>>47602235
I think that's wrong. The description is misleading.
You would only be getting the 3 BaC boxes that are in the bundle. You aren't getting 3 extra BaC boxes.
I want to make a Terminator centered army, either with Pride of the Legion, or ways to take them as troops.
Which Legion is best for that?
>>47602995
I feel weird even taking named units, outside of special circumstances.
If you can't do something with basic marines, veterans and tanks, you aren't trying hard enough.
>>47603140
Nah mate. The three BaC boxes are extra. He gets everything he listed, which is why it's crazy.
Compare it to the Task Force bundles, which have the same semi-misleading description as well.
>>47602004
For that big of a purchase they could at least throw in upgrade sets and maybe a primarch/first captain
3rd party bit sellers and recasters throw in extra freebies even when I only get like $20 worth of stuff.
>>47603143
Sons of Horus, Salamanders, World Eaters, Death Guard.
>>47603178
I'm calling BS. Has someone ordered the bundle to confirm or has an email from support to clarify? Even googling turns up nothing about that offer.
To me, the bundle looks like another one-click that saves 1 pound 870 vs. 871. No way would FW be nice enough to throw in 285 pounds worth of stuff for free.
>>47603344
I used the Task Force bundles as an example, because they're about twice as much as BaC, and come with upgrades, as well as having the confusing description like the Devastation Force.
So I'm thinking all those vehicles and stuff is a bonus that says pretty much "Wow, someone actually ordered all this." Or something. I dunno.
>>47603417
Plus, there's also the fact that it says:
>Also included are three copies of the full Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth game, each including four double-sided boards, beautifully printed on thick card stock; a forty-eight page book, featuring an introduction to the battle on Calth and comprehensive rules and scenarios for playing the game; forty-two command and reference cards, used to introduce effects and events into the game; twelve dice and an array of markers used in-game.
Make note of the use of the words:
>Also included are three copies of the FULL Horus Heresy: Betrayal at Calth game...
Which leads me to believe that it indeed, does have everything the one anon said.
>>47603479
BaC game doesn't include the models.
>>47602235
>>47603178
>>47603417
>>47603479
You stupid idiots, the last paragraph refers to the board game parts of BaC, i.e. the cardboard, rulebook, dice etc.
The description very clearly says that you get 114 plastic models, aka. the models from 3 BaC boxes, and even lists them in detail.
The Task Force bundles are exactly the same, they list that you get 38 models (1 BaC) and a separate paragraph mentioning that you get the cardboard, rules etc. from the same BaC box.
They're stupid one-click bundles, nothing else. If you're retarded enough to buy the biggest one-click bundle, you get a free poster worth 5 bucks, woop de doo.
>>47603417
The task force bundles are also the one click bundles that save you 2 pounds. Nothing is free in those. The Devastation Force is no different. They included that paragraph at the bottom of the bundles to let the buyer know that Betrayal at Calth is a standalone game.
>>47603201
>Sons of Horus
Not really interested in them.
>Salamanders
They're cool, but again, not really interested in them.
>World Eaters
The Red Butchers could make for a cool Melee oriented list, which sounds pretty cool.
>Death Guard
Seems pretty cool, actually. And if I have my math right, their Elite Termis are only 122 points for 10 of them. Though, I'm a bit iffy on their color scheme.
The Iron Hands one seems pretty good as well.
>>47603618
>122 points for 10 of them
I think your math is not right at all
>>47603634
Probably. I'm tired.
>>47603523
Tried to tell him he read the description wrong but he was so sure of himself I had to look into it to see if I had it wrong as I didn't know if it was a new bundle.
>>47603523
It just doesn't make sense to me though. Why then, would the Devastation force throw in three BaC boxes?
And with the Task Forces, they're 225£, yes? Yet BaC is only 95£. Upgrades are only 30£. Therefore it should not be amywhere near those prices if it didn't come with twice the models.
>>47603634
Huh, yeah, I think I hit the addition onstead of multiplication button on the calculator, it's 410 for the ten of them. A bit on the pricy side.
>>47603728
There's 3 upgrade sets in them.
>>47603795
Huh.... You're right.
Well shoot, now I feel like a huge fool, my apologies!
>>47603143
IF Have the best termis. THSS with tartaros for that sweet 2+/3++ S8 AP2 that can sweeping advance.
DG have the second best with tartaros death shroud. They don't have the 3++ but have I3 AP2 at S5 or 6 I forget which. Plus you can take the DG HQ that knows the endurance psychic power.
EC phoenix are good, but more glass hammers. You have to charge to get AP2 but the initiative buff and recent tartaros buff are great.
>>47604153
Hmmm... Good to know.
Right now it's a toss-up between IH, DG, and WE.
Cool Gorgon Termis, Cool Scythe Termis, or Dual Chainaxe RAGE Termis is the real question now.
>>47604356
Death Guard
Theyve always seemed to me like the most fun to paint. Also the idea of termies spewing chemical death and cutting people down with scythes is cool as fuck
>>47604366
Yeah, true enough. Though my problem is that I'm not sold on their color scheme, whereas the Iron Hands have that cool grease/oil(?) looking color scheme, and the World Eaters have a nice White and Blue, with Red symbol.
Hmmm....
>>47604400
Dusk Raiders
>>47604414
It doesn't look too bad, honestly.
>>47604400
>>47604414
Dusk fuckin Raiders son
>>47604400
>Quick! Strike the angriest and most fashionable pose you can, brothers!
>>47603168
What about taking a special character and renamjng bim ?:^)
Nooo!
This is NOT Zardu Layak, but a Herald!
>>47604356
Gorgons are cool, though they're the first (and currently only) FW Legion Termies to be variants of Indomitus armour - everyone other one is a Cataphractii or Tartaros variant
>>47605456
Because Ferrus was a cool guy.
>>47604153
>tartaros buff
What buff?
>>47605683
The can sweeping advance now
>>47605814
I was sure Tartaros could always do that.
>>47605826
Tartaros used to just use the rules for regular Terminator armour.
>>47605826
They did, but had a 6++. Then changed to 'normal' termi rules. Now they're still 5++ but can sweep again.
>>47605949
>Power broom
>S: User, AP4, Rending (the bristles can find the gaps in armour), +2 to all sweeping advance rolls
https://regimental-standard.com/2016/06/01/siege-warfare-101-attacking/
>You will lose many men. Luckily, the Emperor has seen to it that we have plenty of those.
t. Pertuabo.
>>47605826
>>47605949
According to book 1 and the Legions Army list book Tartaros cannot sweep and are treated just like normal terrmie armour, it got faqed not to long ago to be able to sweep
>>47606361
I'm referring to the first tartaros rules, pre 30k expansion from one of the imperial armours iirc. Then they only had a 6++ but could sweep. Then I think an FAQ changed them to normal, and then 30k came about and they used normal. Now, years later, they can sweep again, but have a 5++ too.
>>47606411
Wow, that sounds pretty old. What IA was that?
>>47604153
Arguably you could bring 4++ Deathshroud provided you give them the appropiate shoulders (like the new cataphractii ones released a few weeks ago), since they're listed as wearing unspecified termi armour atm.
Won't be corrected until AoD 3E
>>47602004
Oh I could get started strong, but Papa Sang, that's too much.
>tfw the small Iron Warriors etched brass breaks apart really easily thanks to the gaps in the mouth
>tfw my contemptor has one stuck on his crotch
Anyone know if the smallest etched brass parts for other legions are as weak? Specifically, the Imperial Fists?
>>47606841
>Changing legion because modelling the other one is too hard
Shameful display.
>>47606985
No, anon. He wants to know if anyone else was shat on, or if it was only IW. Again.
Going to re-ask, should I expect anyone to get all hot and bothered at me for mixing 30mm and 32mm bases within the same unit?
What special weapons are worth taking on a breacher team? I feel volkite (2-4 guns won't generate that many bonus hits) and lascutters aren't worth it, but not sure between the other three.
Kind of leaning towards meltaguns because as well as anti-tank, they have the bonuses of being able to hurt primarchs and instant death special 2W terminators if those targets come in close enough. Although being death guard, shredding flamers could be fun.
>>47607233
Bonus rules question which I'll ask separately because it's probably cheaty bullshit: can you reroll a save from a gets hot template weapon if you're wearing hardened armour? Like I say, I suspect not, but I'll ask anyway.
>>47607242
On further reading, gets hot just says the model suffers a wound, not that the weapon causes a wound. So if it's not the flamer causing the wound, don't think this idea works.
>>47607233
Dg are partial to bolters, flamers and meltaguns, it's fluffy of them as much as toxic weaponry, or at least that's what HH1 claims.
>>47607233
DG breachers with flamers in a reaping list can be an absolute nightmare to charge
>5d3 auto-hits against an opponent at -1T who loses charge bonuses
yes
>>47607005
Basically this.
>>47606985
No, I have two legions, an OPFOR and a BLUFOR.
I just want to know if the IF small brass is more usable.
>>47607579
A what-for?
>>47600755
AV 14/12/10
Main Gun, Coaxial Heavy Stubber (probably multilaser for 30k since the Imperial Army seems obsessed with them), Option for a pintle heavy stubber
Main gun is str 9, AP 2, 72" range
Didn't want to make its main gun identical to the vanquisher but Str 8 seemed too weak.
>>47605456
If they had cataphractii armour I would totally buy them but indomitus is just pointless.
>>47605949
Honestly the rules should be
Tartaros: 6++ improves to 5++ in CC
Cataphractii: Stays the same
Indomitus: Stays the same
Sweeping advance isn't worth making your invul save almost worthless but if it was 6++ and 5++ in assault you could survive assault as well as indomitus and sweep the survivors but would get shot to pieces when not in CC.
>>47607941
>just pointless
Indomitus is the best looking variant, which is the only thing that matters.
>>47607968
I like Cataphracti, has more of a clunky space knight/soldier vibe like the older Marks do.
>>47607968
I've always preferred cataphractii or tartaros depending on the legion or chapter. One of the more heavy handed ones like the Iron Warriors and Sons of Horus seem more fit in cataphractii,the more finesse or pretty legions and chapters seem more fit in tartaros like the Emperor's Children and Blood Angels.
>>47607685
For fun.
I like painting, modelling, and playing both legions (helps they have a rivalry), if I have friends over who don't have 30k armies, they can play one of the two, and if my friends who do play are over, then that's more varied, multifactional play.
It's not any more complicated than that.
>>47608043
Cataphractii works for everyone because it looks like an old prototype model and it has enough trim to look ornate.
Indomitus works for everyone because it's an in-between pattern, aesthetically, at least.
>>47605456
Now my eternal question on these is: what colour are they? Green?
Why the fuck are they green?
>>47608311
It's more of an oily color. I oike it honestly, looks nice.
>>47608311
Black with a grey tint and oily shit on it.
All colours of the rainbow!
Are the Garro audiobooks any good? Do they give any important understanding of the rest of the Heresy? I don't particularly care for audiobooks but if they're really good or important I'd listen anyway.
How to make a small model count world eaters army
>>47608742
RoW Pride of the legion Red Butchers.
>>47608742
Pride of the Legion.
Take Red Butchers as troops.
>>47607685
OPFOR and BLUFOR are military terms and basically means friendlies (BLUFOR) and hostiles (OPFOR)
Hmmm....
How does a Pride of the Legion list using only Typhon and Deathshroud Terminators sound?
>>47600376
Thank you very much!
I was considering chopping off the back of the captain's combi-melta and putting in a combi-plasma part, but this is an interesting development indeed!
>>47609581
Fluffy.
Functional, but low model count, and insufficient ranged by themselves.
>>47608097
>>47608867
>OPFOR and BLUFOR are military terms and basically means friendlies (BLUFOR) and hostiles (OPFOR)
Gotcha, thanks. Or cheers, as you like to say. I tend to forget how many 40k/30kfags hail from the military.
>>47609861
I'm not actually military (for now, at least), I just think OPFOR/BLUFOR is a good terminology, and have an appreciation for military stuff, something rather common among wargamers, though I believe the OPFOR/BLUFOR terminology comes from Cold War times rather than WW2, the most common modelling time period.
And I didn't know "cheers" was a military thing.
From my understanding, it's a Briticism.
>>47609661
>Fluffy.
Well, that's good at least.
>Functional, but low model count, and insufficient ranged by themselves.
Well, I like the low model count, but the insufficient range might be a problem.
Really, I'm indecided about the legion I want to do.
Either Word Bearers or Death Guard. I like both their color schemes, and they both seem pretty cool.
>>47609889
Yeah, I meant "cheers" as the briticism for thanks. It'd be hillarious to hear it in a military radio, though
>Tactical Cheers, roger.
>I'm not actually military (for now, at least)
What are you going to get enlisted into, anon?
>>47609917
Also some other questions:
Is footslogging viable with either legion?
How good are the Mhara Gal dreads? I love their model but I want to know if it's worth it to take them.
How would one paint either legion? I know that there's a video on GW's channel for Word Bearers, though it's not as complete as I'd like it to be.
>>47609661
>>47609917
>>47610005
The Death Guard utterly rocks in Zones Mortalis scenarios (if you play that) with their billion termies, enhanced templates, psyker characters (oh the irony) and their immunity to fear, similar to the Sallies but different in a very good way.
As for the concept of footslogging, the only things that would want to do so are the Tyrants, Myrmidons (Destructors) and the UM's tyrant copies, given how they're relentless, highly resilient squad with tons of heavy weapons.
No other squad would gain anything from being exposed to artillery while totting regular infantry weapons anyway.
But yeah, it's fluffy to get your dudes killed, I guess.
Srsly, the DG being resilient is a myth, those are the IH. The DG are just dudes that took their vaccinations.
>>47609931
I don't really know. It's not certain that I'll join in the long run.
I have to complete university first, and after that I could potentially be an officer, particularly if my postgrad is in military history/theory, as it might be, though that might open up "consultant" jobs.
Else, if I have the time between completing my education and getting a job, I might be a reservist for as long as it doesn't distract me from my chosen career.
Always in motion, the future is.
>>47610005
DG are one of the legions better suited for footslogging, though as the other anon said, it might just be purely fluffy and not "crunchy".
Still, the DG is on the same tier as the Iron Warriors (and maybe) the Imperial Fists when it comes to footslogging. IIRC there's a Rite of War for traitors in Book 6 that gives all DG a cover save out in the open, so consider that perhaps.
As for Word Bearers, I have no idea, as I never considered them for myself (too much heresy desu).
As for the paint schemes, I have often wondered about the Death Guard. I imagine any bone colour would work well as a base, and they would nearly demand a lot of heavy weathering, which I have less experience with, though which GW makes some interesting "technical paints" for, including Typhus Corrosion.
Army Painter do a color primer in bone color, I believe, so you could get them done uniformly and quickly.
With regards to the WB, the shade of red is personal preference, though it is universally recognised as on the darker half of the spectrum compared to the Blood Angels. It can go past crimson up to maroon even.
I only painted a few CSM as word bearers, and I used Khorne Red for them, and it pleased me, though that was early in my career and a more deliberate scheme might be found online.
A guy whose paint schemes I've found simple and visually appealing is the Apathetic Fish, he's on Youtube. Good luck.
>>47610075
Eh, I asked about footslogging because I simply don't feel like buying vehicles. An infantry based list just sounds like something I'd want to do. Eh.
I still can't decide though.
What psy power schools can we use in 30k. I know the ones in the books, but can we use the new 4 from the new book?... Angels of death thingy.
>>47607233
I like the Grav gunz, just because it makes the unit as obnoxious as possible to deal with
Inferno when
Converting a Dreadclaw this weekend, how exactly do you use them in a 30k game? What's the strategy and what do you avoid? I haven't really seen any battle reports with them.
I had no idea that the cerastus knights were this... gigantic. Holy shit what did I get myself into.
>Hard mode: Not any good at all at fixing stuff
>God have mercy mode: Not even good at posing
My friend bought a Fellblade. WOuld it be a dick move to buy a Sicaran Venator and just make his Fellblade useless every game?
>>47610445
>Put melee deathstar into Dreadclaw
>Fly it on turn one because lol drop pod assault
>Position it well
>Jink always because noguns
>????
>Enjoy your almost always guaranteed turn 2 charge
Hmmm... Which legions were rivals?
I know Imperial Fists-Iron Warriors, Ultramarines-Word Bearers, Iron Hands-Emperor's Children, but I'm not sure about the rest.
I feel like getting two BaC boxes and either making two rival legions for a bit of a fluffy thing to introduce beginner's with, or just making a nicely sized starter army for myself.
>>47610529
So how does the movement work for it? If I throw sigismund and bros in the flying anus and it drops down turn one, how far can it fly, shit out sigs, and have them charge? I'm kinda new flyers.
>>47610605
The dreadclaw is a flyer with deep strike
You can either fly it on like any other flyer, but on turn 1 thanks to DPA
or
Deep strike it. Rules for deep striking flyers are in the red book
>>47610487
Progress so far.
What superheavy should I get for my EC?
>Lancer
>Atrapos
>Glaive
The atrapos is such a good model, but I feel the rules may be a bit too strong
>>47610738
Lancer.
Why would you pick anything else?
>>47610221
Hopefully not.
>>47610566
AL-UM, RG-WS, RG-SoH.
>>47610566
The Dangles and the Space Furries were friendly rivals, though the Space Wolves once faced off (pre-heresy) against the World Eaters, and basically had to call off their "we'll kill you all because the Emperor asked it" because the WEs were too eager for the fight.
Then there is the Thousand Sons fiasco, of course.
The only people recorded to have gotten under Alpharius' skin were the Ultramarines, who felt similarly about the Hydra, so that's another rivalry to consider there.
And this might be stretching it, but there was definitely a hatred on the part of Mortarion against the White Scars because of their advocacy of psykers, though whether the hatred was returned enough to be a "rivalry" (the Nikean council was pretty adversarial, IIRC) is something I don't know.
TLDR: Almost everyone has a pre-Heresy reason to hate everyone on the other side of the Heresy, everyone hates Space Wolves, and Magnus did nothing wrong.
>>47610487
>>47610695
Yikes, that's a decent challenge indeed.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck, because it's as if I can feel your exasperation and trepidation coming through in your posts.
It'll all be worth it in the end if you are fastidious and patient.
I've no experience with the specific model, but when it comes to posing, one thing I've heard (and had borne out by some limited experience) is that setting up the legs first (letting the glue dry and all) is the foundation (literally) on which the active pose of the model is set.
Warhammer TV has a video series about the plastic knight kit, watching that might be a good refresher about posing.
Good luck once again.
>Idly toying with potential death guard lists
>Hmm yes, grav guns on breachers, yes phosphex quad-mortars too, morty, and some missile heavy supports and grave wardens to round things off
>Realise this list could fire a total of 63 blast markers a turn
>Sixty. Three.
Jesus christ. Back to the drawing board, methinks.
>>47611039
Thanks. Right now I'm just putting together the various blocks, though all the plates are staying off so I can paint the skeleton by itself.
The legs are next and unlike the plastic knights the entire thing is modular. There's basically five chunks that need to be posed and it's too heavy for the blu tack I use.
>>47611121
>63 blast markers a turn
I see no problem here.
Whatever happened to the SA when the Heresy was over? Did they become the Scions/Stormtroopers, or did they become folded into the IG?
>>47611121
>Not "back to the drawing board to fit in more blast markers"
>Not wanting to play Battle of the Somme 40,000
>>47603523
the wording part is confusing, I'll give him that
"three full boxes" and all
>>47611535
>Not wanting to play Battle of the Somme 40,000
AKA: Imperial Guard training exercise.
>>47611526
I suppose we have novels and the like to answer that.
I'm no expert on the SA fluff, but if they're planet-based regiments and not migratory fleet-based regiments like some could have been during the great crusade, it's likely they'd return to being their planet's "expeditionary force", like Catachan, Krieg, Cadia, and the like, and so be just another part of the Astra Militarum.
>>47611121
>63
>back to drawing board
to add more yeah?
>>47611526
Probably still in the permanent defense of the Solar System.
>>47611656
I suppose that could suffice. Now I know how my SA would retire from the Crusade. At least the Shellbacks would as there's not a Costanzno for the Daybreakers to return to.
>Astra Militarum.
>mfw
>>47611750
I doubt Rowboat would have every remaining SA defend Terra.
>>47611810
Clint got with the times, bro.
>>47611870
Clearly a lookalike born on a different planet and happens to look alike Lord Militant Eastwood.
>>47610487
Cerastus knights aren't that bad. The hardest part was figuring out what piece went where. After that, it was actually easier than a normal knight because there are fewer pieces, and since they're posable you can fiddle with them MUCH easier.
PLASTIC SPARTAN/TYPHON KIT CONFIRMED
>>47612095
cant go into details here, too dangerous
september
>>47612275
seem real legit
>>47612075
>PLASTIC DICK UP MY ASS CONFIRMED
ftfy
>>47612075
>>47612095
>>47612275
>>47612319
And now there will never be plastic Spartans/Typhons most likely.
>>47610566
Every legion had a rival wether it was freindly or malevolent. Some of it waw because of overlapping specialties.
>>47612275
To be released just after the new plastic Sicaran triple kit that makes a new assault transport vehicle
>>47612379
its essentially going to be a rhino replacement. no venator option though, dunno why.
plastic warhound also inbound, expect 40k to break even more
>>47611121
30 seekers can fire 60 small blasts a turn alone. Honestly my favourite list concept.
>Imperial Fists
>2 tactical blobs
>30 heavy weapons marines with heavy bolters
>15 attack bikes with heavy bolters and meltabombs
>12 quad heavy bolters
>Combined fury of the legion gives you up to 160 BS 5 bolter shots
>135 BS 5 heavy bolter shots
>72 additional twin-linked BS 5 heavy bolter shots per turn
Make Orks go green with envy.
Okay so if I'm reading the rules right: a Dreadclaw can arrive turn one via Drop Pod Assault (but can mishap because I don't know), comes in as a flyer in hover mode like a fast skimmer so the turn it arrives it can then flat out 18 inches, after decimating nearby Iron Warriors and making all my jink saves, in turn 2 I can move 6 inches, poop out Sigismund 6 inches, and then charge that motherfucker at something equally expensive points-wise?
>>47613383
yes
i intend on doing this with angron and 9 red butchers in a kharybdis eventually, whenever i get around to buying the stupid thing.
>>47613425
One of the guys at my gamestore got a Kharybdis a few months ago. It is so fucking huge I couldn't believe it. I'll settle for a bootleg Dreadclaw for now.
>>47613466
yeah. ive heard they are both a pain in the ass to get to fit right..
also the prices are insane, even from china they are overcosted.
you could always convert a dreadclaw from regular pods though
>>47613528
that's exactly what I'm doing, some other anon inspired me yesterday and I'll be making my own on Monday. pretty excited.
Should I buy one or two BaC boxes?
How useful are Mhara Gal?
If I buy two boxes, should I make them both Word Bearers, or one as an other legion?
If I buy one box, what else should I get?
>>47611945
I don't know, I kind of want to kill myself right now. With an extra pair of hand it would have taken me five minute instead of over an hour.
The one time I built a FW contemptor I thought it was very nice but fiddly as hell, this time the same but many times crazier.
>>47610605
When hovering, flyers behave the same way as fast skimmers. Still, as with any other transport, the units can only disembark if the vehicle has moved at combat speed or less.
But you can flat out in the previous shooting phase as a fast skimmer, so it doesnt really matter,
>>47610643
On 30k all flyers can deepstrike without needing the rule itself, but zooming flyers are subject to the same restictions that all other units follow. As in "scattered into a unit? Ded".
>>47600001
I REALLY love that picture.
The Seraphim type wings (not hunched basically) and the helmet give him SO MUCH PRESENCE.
It's not even rocket science, a fully concealing helmet and wings as tall as him obviously make him look a lot cooler.
I really want all primarchs to wear helmets. Even with a fairly standard Beakie helmet Corax's model looks bloody awesome.
>>47613626
figure out a few 2500 or 3000 point army lists and see how BaC will fit into what you want to run
>>47610566
>Everyone vs Your Spiritual Liege
>>47613732
I want to see helmets for Lorgar, Ferrus Manus, Morty, and Pert.
>>47613775
Instead of a helmet, he gains a GOATEE OF EVIL™!
>>47613732
>>47613775
Horus supposedly has a helmet, we've seen Vulkan, Lorgar, Alohapharius, Leman, and Fulgrim's. I imagine Perty's is a fusion of the IW symbol and old school cataphractii.
>>47613839
I like how the artist gave daemon Lorgar the same goatee.
>>47611121
>>47611535
>>47611656
>>47611225
>>47611748
>>47612574
'ere, have a taste
>Four Full rapier teams (preferably phosphex) = 4*4*4 = 64 blasts
>Three Seeker squads rapid firing tempest rounds = 3*2*10 = 60
>Three Grave Warden squads shooting toxin grenades = 3*10*2 = 60
>Total = 184 MUTHAFUCKING SMALL BLASTSStill not enuff dakka
>>47613861
>We've seen Fulgrim's
I hope they retcon that hideous pickelhaube away
>I imagine Perty's is a fusion of the IW symbol
You mean you take it off? What for?
>>47613839
Wait, looking closer at it, it's a BEARD OF EVIL™!
Either way, it looks pretty cool, honestly. If I learned how to paint facial hair, and I had Lorgar, I'd probably give him one.
>>47613879
?
>>47611810
>>47611870
>>47611919
Clint...Clint never changes
Any good guides to magnetizing the plastic Cataphractii? I was thinking about gluing the two shoulder components together then boring into the lower one to magnetize it, which should work fine but I'd like to see if there's any step-by-step guides covering this. Tried doing an online search but didn't come up with anything worthwhile, there's got to be something out there right?
>>47613984
you cant really magnetize them because of the shoulder pads. youd have to buy extra shoulder pads or something
>>47613861
>Vulkan, Lorgar, Alpharius, Leman, and Fulgrim's.
Vulkan's is the one we see on the ground in the cover of a novel?
Which one's Lorgar's? Never heard of it.
Alpharius it's his official portrait that has it so I know what he looks like.
Leman is the eternal wolf head thingy.
But Fulgrim's? Where can I see it?
>>47614027
Yeah I know, but people claim it's been done and I was intending to stick magnets in the shoulder pads, so it goes torso > arm > shoulder.
I might just be bullshitting though because I've been too busy with cannon fodder to get these big dudes done. I probably won't swap it around much anyway but nice to have the option to be a min-maxing faggot.
Does Omegon has any rules, and if not, are any planned at any time?
I'm thinking of starting a loyalist AL army following Omegon, fairly small but pimped out veterans.
On that note, does that that very general "fluff" sound okay to you guys? Too snowflakey?
>>47614198
I think it sounds fine to me.
If you want, you could just field Alpharius and claim to be loyalists if your friends/FLGS is okay with it.
>>47614198
He's Alpharius' twin, so much that not even Horus could tell them apart. It's safe to assume he'd have the same rulesThis account is a lie
>On that note, does that that very general "fluff" sound okay to you guys? Too snowflakey?
I believe that's the entire concept behind "Pride of the Legion".
>>47613936
At least I think this is by the same guy.
>>47614245
I don't see a speck of facial hair in that pic, mate.
>>47613920
>I hope they retcon that hideous pickelhaube away
I like it.
>take off
No I don't.
>>47613970
Kek.
>>47614033
>Never heard of it
Ever heard of Eliphas? He's wearing it.
>Where can I see it?
Behold!
>>47614267
I knew it was my eyes playing tricks on me.
>>47614290
All of this, retconned awae.
>>47614237
>Pride of the Legion
What I intended to use indeed.
I'm just a real fan of fluffy armies, I'll have to be careful to balance it out.
>>47614279
40k fanart is also a good source of reaction images.
>>47614344
Sure it's not fitting but with a little tweaking such as carved image of his face and it would be perfect.
>>47614290
>Eliphas
Indeed, silly me, I had forgotten!
And indeed that is one fugly helmet.
>>47614290
>>47614370
Better version
>>47613890
>Estimated game time
>Three Weeks
Its like a real siege
>>47614371
It's Chaos it's not suppose to look pretty.
>>47614393
It's beautiful.
>>47614290
1000x better than the current fulgrim 2bh
>>47614198
>On that note, does that that very general "fluff" sound okay to you guys?
Sounds fine. Unless your characters are mentioned as defeating named characters in ways they shouldn't or being integral to the heresy it is probably fine. You can have your super special chapter master who did this and that, but claiming he defeated Sigismund in a duel, outwitted Alpharius, or introduced Erebus to chaos is generally too far.
>>47614450
>outwitted Alpharius
Obviously it's because he himself was Alpharius!
>>47613890
If each blast takes 30 seconds to resolve completely, and nothing else is done in the game at all, it should take about 600 hours to play this out in a full game.
>>47614450
What about defeating Lucius?
I think NOT defeating him would be the issue
>>47614450
Naaah, I liked the idea of fairly no names goibg into small but decisive operations without being in the light.
The Serpent Beneath sas a good example.
Nobody knows what happen but the operators themselves, yet it still had quite the importance, without being some silly shit like single handedly saving the Imperium.
>>47614290
>Old Fulgrim Rules
>Helmet Spike
S: U, AP: 1, Armourbane, Lance, ignores invulnerable saves due to wargear
>Shrug
Fulgrim's shoulder eagle is so large that when Fulgrim shrugs the movement of the eagle allows him to take flight. Fulgrim counts as jetpack infantry
>>47614491
If Lucius defeats your dudes you have signed a paper that says you do not exist.
>>47614508
FW, take notice!
>>47614508
>S: U
Stronger than D?!
>Up in the air
>Is it a hawkboy?
>Is it a plane
>No!
>It's Fulgrim...NOW WITH SHRUG ACTION!
>>47614491
>What about defeating Lucius?
I mentioned defeating them in ways they shouldn't. The one way you shouldn't defeat Lucius is losing to him. That is why my group uses these rules for Lucius
>Generic Centurion with a power sword
>Decreases his WS to 1 less than his opponent's in challenges, if his opponent is WS 7 or higher Lucius remains WS 5
>If Lucius is killed in a challenge the opponent (guy who killed Lucius) gets an extra victory point, if Lucius is the warlord they get two victory points
>If Lucius wins a single challenge his controlling player instantly wins the game
>>47612275
You sound, and even smell, like a faggot.
>>47614567
Kek. You make it sound like Lucius is 30k's Wimp Lo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d696t3yALAY
>>47610489
No.
It would be justice
>>47610489
How would it make it useless? You only have a 1 in 3 chance of penetrating with each shot.
>>47615150
You roll two die per hit though. How is that only 1/3 chance. It's Ordnance after all.
>>47615399
Ah yeah, forgot about ordnance. Regardless it is still far from a guaranteed kill. Then again maybe it is my own one shot kill obsession. When I intend to deal with a specific threat I consider my capabilities insufficient unless I have a solid chance of killing it in a single turn of shooting or assaulting. May end up with wasted points but destroying a spartan turn 1 is great, and so is annihilating an entire deathstar the turn after that.
>>47615549
Venators don't have to kill, they have a special rule which forces snap shots from anything it penetrates
It, and to a lesser extent the Cerberus (due to random number of shots not making it worth 400 pts) are a giant fuck you to anyone bringing big nasty shooty LoW choises
>>47615682
This.
Snap firing instead of filling your battle line with pie plates, while costing a fuck ton of points, is as good as destroyed. Also let's you save your own firepower for his other shit
>>47615549
good luck destroying a fellblade in 1 turn. they have 12 hullpoints
>>47613626
I'd just get one box per legion (so, buy two and don't paint the other one yet). Use the next BaC-style box to fill out your army; other than the extra Cataphracti, it'd be a little dull to have a dual-BaC army. Lots of points without all the interesting units that HH has to offer.
>>47614925
He is though.
>>47615799
Ah, alright then! Sounds good to me. Do you know when they'll have such a box?
Also, reading up on the Mhara Gal rules, they seem really, really, really bad. And that makes me sad, considering I was thinking of maybe doing a Mhara Gal and Gal Vorbak heavy list later on.
>>47610695
yaaaasss atrapos
>>47615549
>When I intend to deal with a specific threat I consider my capabilities insufficient unless I have a solid chance of killing it in a single turn of shooting or assaulting
I feel you. Seldom is anything sufficient. I'm doing a list of the good stuff.
Myrmidon Secutors with dual Graviton guns deepstriking in an Arvus Lighter, man.
Only the Warlord Titan is resistant to Haywire. Everything else dies to it, and a single Arvus can mean up to 12 haywire hits, but here's the thing:
The regular Flare Shielded Armoured Ceramite Spartan with a Dozer blade, costing 345 pts, dies to the base graviton Secutor squad in an Arvus, costing 295 pts.
Best of all? They'll survive interception because they're 2W T5 3+/5++, and they'll always be within range because they can disembark 6" and then shoot at 18", meaning you could place them 12" away from the target, hillariously scatter the full 12" to the other way and that Spartan is still ded, >>47615778
Oh, and the termies it was transporting? Probably a Cataphractii deathstar that can't run and now has to wade through dangerous and difficult terrain, so they won't catch you.
>>47616078
September, but it's only a rumor.
The Mhara Gal are overcosted, but they're not THAT bad.
>>47617856
Eh, I was exaggerating a bit there, but it's rule that harms Daemons, Psykers, and Blessed units really makes it not worth it in my eyes, as Gal Vorbak, Anakatis Kul Blade Slaves, other Daemons, and anyone using Burning Lore, etc. is just really bad.
And it's overcosted like you mentioned.
Which is a shame, as I love the model.
>September, but it's only a rumor.
Huh, good to know. Are there any plans to remove BaC, or are they going to sell both?
Hammer Of Olympia 3K list
siege breaker, cataphractii, chain fist, 1 phosphex bomb and combi-melta
Praetor, blind helm, Tartaros, Digital Lasers, MC paragon blade
20 man Tacticals, vexilla, nuncio-vox
18 man Tacticals, vexilla, nuncio-vox
10 man Tacticals, vexilla, nuncio vox, Rhino W/pintle heavy bolter and shrapnel bolts
Storm Eagle, armoured ceramite
3 Medusas, dozer blades
Sicaran, HB sponsons, AC, dozer blade
Sicaran, HB sponsons, AC, dozer blade
Spartan, flare shield, ceramite, HB pintle, Lascannon sponsons, dozer blade
Typhon, heavy bolters, pintle HB
>>47617950
>Are there any plans to remove BaC
Rumors say it'll be discontinued and the contents sold separately at regular GW plastic box prices.
>>47618278
Why not split the tacticals into groups of 16 each and give them CCWs?
>>47619137
Oh boy, better buy it soon then!
Not good for me either, as I've not the money for it right now.
>>47619179
ah, i missed that, the 20 man squad has CCW's
why squads of 16?
>>47619137
Anyone know what'll be in the new box?
What's the smallest pointage for a 40k game wherein I can bring my Legion in and not be completely gimped?
PlayingIron Warriorsif that matters
>>47619454
No. Everyone assumes Mk III armor, maybe breachers. One rumor says it'll be Phall-themed.
There are other rumors but they change pretty often so I'm not trusting them. Mk III tactical marines (or breachers) makes sense though.
>>47599684
Double 9's too, glory to the IX legion
>>47599839
Probably like a old testament angel. Something terrible and scary.
>>47602909
>Legend holds that it was the Priamrch Angron who demanded the surrender of the Imperial defenders, and they may very well have given it to him, had his brother Sanguinius not been there to silently deny him.
>Three times did the World Eaters scale the walls of the Imperial Palace and three times did Sanguinius and the Blood Angels hurl them back.
Angron lil bish boy, Snaguinius pure cinabon
>>47604716
Ginyu force go
>>47620540
>>47620644
By the Blood of Sanguinius! For The Emperor and Sanguinius!
Very sorry that Sangvy isn`t a demon-prince. It would be adorable
>>47614560
if you think S: U is good, imagine Strength 4U
Alright, choose a Traitor and Loyalist legion.
Now read the spoiler.The Traitor legion remained loyal, while the Loyalist legion turned traitor.
Who'd you pick?
>>47621369
alpha legion and dark angels
nothing changes
>>47621369
Blood Angels and Emperor's Children. I always wondered if Sanguinius would turn to Slaanesh because he's beautiful or Khorne because he's angry (and all about blood). Thinking that way is absolute heretical nonsense, but I saw another fan fiction where he fell to Nurgle- I wasn't buying it.
>>47621428
Yes it does, you memer.
>>47621499
nuh-uh, fag
How long do you think it will be before we get the Blood/Dark Angel unit rules?
I want to get one of them as the loyalist answer to my EC. Im leaning towards Bangels because its fucking Sanguinius.
>Deredeo with Atomantic Pavise
>surrounded by a full unit of Tyrant Siege Terminators
>2+/3++ on a unit of 20 missile launchers, with chainfists all over, on top of a Deredeo with a 4++
How can any other legion compete?
>>47621493
I would say Slaanesh. Loyalist EC are an interesting concept though. Politics wise I imagine they would be kind of a mix of the Dark Angels and Ultramarines. The adherence to doctrine and organization of the Ultramarines but still remaining largely united as a legion like the Dark Angels. I could easily see loyalist EC leading a crusade of dozens of successor chapters to crush the Tau empire and exterminate the humans who abandoned the Imperium to serve lesser beings.
>>47621727
>Imperial Fists Stone Gauntlet
>Breacher squads
>Deredeo with pavise
Tons of T 5 wounds with 4++ saves.
>>47621789
Fulmentarus exist.
>>47621837
But with only half the range and inferior weapons.
I suppose they are good for moving up the field, but is that really what Deredeos are for, unless you give them the plasma?
It would be a hell of a tarpit, though.
Also, the biggest problem is that the increase in save only applies to shooting attacks, so they'd only have a 5++ save against shooting and melee. Still, it's to the standard of Terminators, and they have a ton of T5 wounds indeed, and are cheaper and occupy the troop slots.
If one wanted to go all-out, Phalanx Warders with plasma guns and a few axes buried within the unit would approach the 600pt cost of the Tyrants, though Breachers are indeed maxed out around 400 points.
>>47621871
Far more expensive, though, and no option for chainfists, not even coming with power fists as standard.
>>47616415
Now that leg pose is done everything else is falling into place much faster. Still have to clean and then do some major hot water bending of the power cables on the thighs, but after that the legs will finally be done.
Is Visions of Heresy Volume 2 still being scanned?
>>47614198
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Omegon#Tabletop
how do you pronounce achaen? like "ashen"? "haken"?
As it's a slow thread today, might as well post the DG list I mentioned in >>47611121 as a little bump. I mean, I don't have to fire the blasts (a lot of the time krak may be better, for example) so the shooting phase doesn't have to be that long, and I do kind of like the shape of it. It "feels" like my mental image of a Death Guard force (for all that that matters in modern 30k).
>ROW: CAD or Reaping or Play Misty For Me
>Mortarion - 425
>Siege breaker - 95
>15 breachers (3 special guns, (grav/melta/flamer, not sure,) power scythe and meltabombs on sarge) - 340
>15 breachers (3 special guns, power scythe and meltabombs on sarge) - 340
>15 breachers (3 special guns, power scythe and meltabombs on sarge) - 340
>3 rapier (3 laser destroyer) - 165
>3 quad-mortar (shatter and phosphex) - 270
>3 quad-mortar (shatter and phosphex) - 270
>10 heavy support dudes (missile launchers) - 285
>5 grave wardens (1 chainfist) - 205
>5 grave wardens (1 chainfist) - 205
>Total - 2940 (extra points for rad grenades if playing Reaping, or flakk missiles if not).
Don't know that this can stop The Invincible Spartan Of 30k but fuck it, what can? Morty hides in a breacher squad until he's close enough to teleport. If I need to tell you where the siege breaker's going then I'm disappointed.
>>47623015
Aq-hee-an. Or aq-he-an.
English is fucked up, nobody knows how to pronounce anything...
>>47623032
>The Invincible Spartan Of 30k
Turn one of those rapiers into grav rapiers and it'll be dead on turn two.
Medusas, Lightnings with kraken, basilisks, and podded grav dreads are other things that kill spartans easily
>>47623015
Closer to the 2nd one for me. With them sort of being Space Persians I think it's a back-of-the-throat "kh" sound in the middle.
>>47621301
Nice setup
>>47623015
>>47623200
>>47623243
What are you talking about?
It's simply acaen
https://translate.google.com.mx/?source=osdd#la/es/achaen
>>47621789
>>47621837
>A wild Medusae squad appears
>Or not, because they're using barrage and Golg is riding the Ironfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHTr8nofsAM
>>47623997
Medusas? The artillery tank?
3++ protects the terminators from even S10?
And unless you can get to within 36" entirely within cover, the Medusae get shrekt in one turn.
>>47624468
Medusas are barrage weapons, they don't need to be in LoS, and the real target is the Deredeo.
>>47621369
Iron Warriors and ahhh.... hmmm I dunno, Space Wolves? Just to make Magnus super butthurt about his turning traitor. I like the idea of Horus being screwed over by a total lack of siege specialists and having his legions bleed white on fortress world after fortress world.
somewhat updated list from a few threads ago, working around having the iron circle, also my dislike of vehicles
RoW: Ironfire
LoW
Perturabo
Forgebreaker
490 pts
Iron Circle x4
820 pts
HQ
Siege Breaker
Cataprattchi Terminator Armour, Melta Bombs, Chainfist
110 pts
Elite
Quad Mortar x3
120 pts
Contemptor Dreadnought x2
X2 CCW, x2 Graviton Guns
410
Troops
Tactical Squad x15
Melta Bombs, x10 Additional Chainswods
175 pts
Tactical Squad
Melta Bombs, x10 Additional Chainswods
175 pts
Tactical Squad
Melta Bombs
155 pts
Heavy Support
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought
Missile Launcher
220 pts
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad x10
545 pts
Basilisk x2
280 pts
Total: 3,500 pts
Siege breaker goes with terminators
>>47624969
first tactical squad is supposed to be 10 dudes sorry
>>47612075
>CSM will not get one
>>47624969
My main concern is your extreme lack of effective anti-tank and your troops. I would suggest dropping the contemptors for some grav rapiers if you want to deal with heavy armour more effectively. Likewise while you have five scoring units the tactical squads are really small for 3500 points and I doubt even a single tactical marine will survive until the end of the game. Granted I do like the Iron Circle and Perturabo, a great fire magnet to draw fire away from the rest of your army and they will murder anything they touch.
>>47627255
I see what you meam there, might do what you said for the contemptors, truth is they ae a bit more versatile than rapiers and help push the line forward for the ironfire tokens (also means I save a few pennies with plastic contemptors), same with having three small squads rather than two big ones, helps with the ironfire
>>47624835
Without the IW and their garrisons to act as supply lines Horus would have been significantly slowed down in his campaign. He might not have even made it to Terra at all.
The IW supply lines and garrisons would have acted as forward operating bases for the Loyalists and Horus would have had to either bleed his forces out destroying them or avoid them altogether.
I read Swords of Caliban.
Lion and Curze fight and Curze loses getting his back broken over Lion's shoulder.
Lion confirmed Bane.
>Lion: When the Imperium is in ashes, then you have my permission to die.
>>47627954
>When Macragge is in ashes
>Because I phosphex bombed it
>LolzI swear, Macragge is basically Rowboat's waifu, that he gets super duper protective over.
>>47628119
It's because he hates disorder, and I think because of what happened to his adoptive father.
>>47628119
Well, his homeplanet is a rather nice meritocracy instead of some hell hole like Baal, Caliban, Barbarus, Nostromo, Nocturne, Nuceria, and all of those space Australias, so it's understandable he love his planet.
Also, his mom lives there.
I wonder if he had a real waifu too (like some say Sanguinius did).
>>47628327
I think the Spiritual Liege was too focused on making Ultramar nice than caring about women.
>>47628119
its because hes a traitor
>>47628391
>my son, I know you look like a giant man even though you're 12 years old and all, but surely any of the ladies strikes your fancy?
>NO, MOTHER. I SHALL FOCUS EVERY WAKING HOUR IN MAKING MACRAGGE GREAT AGAIN, FOR I LOVE IT
>*dry humps the ground itself*
>>47628598
That might as well be accurate.
>>47623015
Uh-KAY-un is my guess
>>47628598
>>47628684
>not even grecorroman boipussy, my son? You know we're very open minde-
>MY HEART ALREADY BELONGS TO MACRAGGE AND ALL THE 500 WORLDS, MOTHER!
>IT'S NOT A STAGE, THIS IS WHO I AM!
>>47628727
Kek.
>>47628327
>Well, his homeplanet is a rather nice meritocracy instead of some hell hole like... Caliban
Caliban stopped being a hell hole before the Crusade even knew it existed. Because Lion and his boys beat it with chainsaw swords until the planet just gave up.
>MFW waiting a year or more for any new blood angel content
Any speculation into what its going to be like?
I imagine Sang being 500 points and the equal to Horus at least. A special jump melee unit guaranteed, maybe even Jump terminators
Dammit, I can't decide which army to play for 30k. There are so many cool choices and characters. Something that I am wondering, is there any rules about playing an army of many different colour schemes?
Because, I was thinking about making an army based on the loyalist remnants of the Traitor Legions, with each squad and vehicle being from different Legions. I mean, so long as each member of the squad is all the same colour, does it really matter? I mean, I would love to have Garro and Loken (Or maybe Loken and Dantioch when they pull their thumbs out their asses and make him a model and some rules) leading the army, with some Luna Wolves tacticals, Night Lords Assault marines, Death Guard Terminators, an Iron Warrior Dreadnought maybe a Thousand Sons Sicaran.
The beauty of this is that this means I can run them as pretty much any army, meaning i'm not bound by what the army looks like.
Is this rules legal?
>>47628327
>The Heresy never happens
>The Great Crusade comes to an end and the primarchs are given their own mini empires and expected to settle down as normal rulers
>What are the primarch's wives like?
>>47628842
'Ere you go.
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#Age_of_Darkness_Theme:_Shattered_Legions
What's the fluff for your army /hhg/? Mine is below, prepare for some writefaggotry:
Night Lords Legion 127th Reinforced Terror Company "The Umbral Blades"
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Strategic tendencies: terror assault doctrine, asymmetrical engagement
-The company is reinforced with an assault marine detachment drawn from several
veteran assault companies of the VIII Legion in addition to a heavy armoured squadron from the
Legion's mechanized reserve
Notable campaigns:
+The Desolation of Kormagor Rift 947.M30+
-127th Company of the VIII Legion censured by the Imperial operational command
after purging the compliant colonies of the Ychea system for suspected xenos taint and collaboration
+Pacification of the Cayex Cluster 962.M30+
-the inner worlds of the cluster surrender into compliance after the 127th unleahes
Exterminatus-class weapons and annihilates the outlying systems of the region
+Thalarisian Genocide 004.M31+
-The 127th suffers heavy losses after the insurgent hive-moons of Thalaris III
engage self-destruction protocols and unleash horrors of the Old Night in retaliation
to the Night Lords assault during the final battle of the campaign
-Initially reported to be missing after the conclusion of the
Thramas Crusade, later reports indicate that the company had
become increasingly unstable after the disappearance of the
Primarch, development which culminated in the sacking of
several traitor- and loyalist-aligned worlds on the Ultima Segmentum
-Affiliated with a number of 'Blackshield' Astartes warbands
-Current allegiances unknown
I'm still not sure about the company name, I'm open to ideas.
>>47628868
But they would be mortals, lasting 300 years tops.
Except Angron's wife, that'd be a chainaxe.
He would still beat her ass, though, but she likes his rough love.
>>47627954
Link?
>>47628825
Sang is probably going to be slightly more expensive than Horus and while he would lose in a fight he is much more practical overall for killing. He is jump infantry. As for Sanguinary Guard it will probably be OP as hell seeing how the rest of Blood Angels are
WS:5 BS:4 S:4 T:4 W:1 I:4 A:2 Ld:9 Sv:2+
jump packs automatically included
main weapon is a +1 strength AP 2 at initiative power sword
All friendly models within 12" are fearless
Cost 190 points for 5 and 35 points for each additional model
>40 WS5, I5, attacks that wound marines on a 2+ if you choose the right RoW
>>47628911
Angron would have a female bearversor as a wife, Fulgrim would instead have dozens of pretty young boys and girls as concubines that he dumps when they get too old, Perturabo would make a robot waifu, Lorgar would marry a slut who cheats on him with every other primarch.
>>47628911
>>47628868
>Leman Russ
Dog faced bint in scanty armour, rocking a cleavage you could ski down.
>Lorgar
She is a cultist bitch who looks JUST like the Emperor, so he can re-enact his fanfics
>Magnus
Psyker goddess and has a thing for guys with 1 eye
>Curze
His knives. He had a girlfriend for a little bit, but apparently, they broke up after they had sex and he spent the next 4 hours crying.
>Roboute
Whoever would nab him the most power.
>Perterabo
A woman who wears a Chastity belt, suspenders and a corset with spring-loaded traps on each of them.
>Mortarion
A chubby, hairy slob-girl that has a thing for rotten flesh.
>Fulgrim
Physical perfection incarnate.
>>47629165
>If I put a hole in it, I could fuck it
>But then the wall would have a hole in it
Being Dorn is suffering.
>>47628842
Shattered legions as >>47628878 said. Even get access to some unique RoW. My favourite is something like
>Must have EC warlord
>You no longer score, just win by killing shit
>Can outflank opponents from behind
>Must take at least two legions
Seems like it would work great with both EC and World Eaters
>EC praetor on jetbike
>Surlak with some world eaters despoilers
>Only troops are World Eaters despoilers
>EC field some palatine blades and fast vehicles, bikes, and jetbikes to kill tanks
Nothing scores anyway World Eaters are +1 strength and can be pushed into overdrive to risk killing them. Ironically enough due to sacred trust and the inductii rules you don't suffer anything if your World Eaters die but can gain victory points for being near them when they die so at the end of the game you could try to get your World Eaters killed for extra victory points.
>>47619278
They would all be even
>>47629165
>>47629252
Last time.
>>47628891
ooh, writefaggotry threads are always the best threads
I've already posted mine here before, but I'm a narcissist so I'm going to post it again.
>The Broken Men of Erlik Khan
A shattered legion force comprising of White Scars, Thousand Sons, and Blood Angels.
Primarily formed from the White Scars' Brotherhood of Midnight, a brotherhood specialising in assassination and execution strikes, led by Erlik Khan. Towards the end of the great crusade they were deployed to destroy the yuantang empire, an empire ruled by psychic parasitic aliens masquerading as the leaders of the human empire and psychically controlling them. After the campaign was botched and they were forced to withdraw under waves of attack from frenzied human puppets, and additional support had to be called in.
A small detachment of Thousand Sons led by Tutek Ahmun, a sorcerer of the raptori cult. They managed to break the forces of the yuantang and an uneasy compliance was declared for the Imperium.
Upon returning to the Imperium they find the galaxy embroiled in chaos, with rumours swirling that the Thousand Sons are dead and Prospero is destroyed, and Jagahtai Khan and the White Scars are nowhere to be found.
En route to Prospero they are forced out of the Warp at the Noxus system, due to the actions of the Alpha Legion and daemon cults in the system. The climactic battle between AL, Blackshields, and Daemon cults, against the combined forces of Loyalist Death Guard, Iron Hands, Blood Angels and the Broken men occurs on Noxus Beta, resulting in a pyrrhic victory for the traitors as the DG sacrifice themselves to unleash terrible weapons on the planet, turning it into a death world. The Blood Angels join the Broken Men and the Iron Hands (who are very insane after Isstvaan V) go to find more traitors to kill.
There's some more about internal strife in the warband between the three forces on where their loyalties lie, but I don't want to spam the thread too hard so I'll leave it.
>>47629245
wouldn't need to be even, 20 man squad goes Into the Spartan which holds 25, then the 18 man squad into a storm eagle with the siege breaker
>>47628891
Love stuff like this desu. Ave Dominus Nox.
Modeling question, shoulderpad with the legion insignia is always on the left correct?
>>47630195
MkV has it on right side
>>47630195
Yes, it goes on the left with the exception if Mk. V, as shown in >>47630247
>>47630247
>>47630259
Perfect thanks
>>47629039
How to make Dark Fury useless...
>>47629039
>Sanguinary Guard
>The entire squad is equipped with those BA bullshit double-wound swords.
>With hand flamers, because fuck you, they are Blood Angels.
>>47629039
FW better boost the Invictarus Suzerains if they make such a unit
>>47630978
>Suzerains are OP
>>47630996
>>47631111
Palatine Blades are better
>mfw they give faguinius and his faguinary guard nipples on their armor
>>47631149
Scoria. The greatest Meme Character in 30k, even above Sigismund and the Iron Circle.
>Primarchs can take 3-5 centurions as a command squad, these centurions are deployed as a squad, lose the Independent Character special rule and do not take up HQ slots. They can take wargear as normal, but note that if any model takes Terminator Armour, Jetbikes, Jumppacks or Bikes then the whole squad must do so.
Good house rule? Terrible? OP bullshit?
>>47631256
would only be OP if you could upgrade them to consuls. 5 librarians or masters of signal would be cheesy
>>47631256
I think it would be fluffy if they were all legion champions
>>47631308
Maybe only one centurion could be made into each consul.
>>47631256
>Chaplain
>primus medicae
>3 champions
What have you done
>>47631371
>not taking ferrus + spartan + 5 libby command squad + 2 HQ libbys + HQ chaplin all in cataphractii with cyber familiars, combi weapons and thunderhammers/chainfists
>>47631371
Consider that even with the cheapest Primarch (a fucked over Corax) That's 775 points base.
>>47631422
That, while hilarious, is probably more than Perturabo + 6 Beep-boops.
>>47631422
We're also going to need a spartan, or even better a MASTODON while were at it
>>47631501
>That, while hilarious, is probably more than Perturabo + 6 Beep-boops.
yeah but all 7 libbys would be level 2 and running telepathy. so youd probably have invisibility multiple times over... 7 psychic shrieks would rape everything too. kek
>>47631256
My thoughts would be something like this.
>Primarch honour guard
>Is made up of Primarch bodyguard unit and takes up no slot
>WS of all models is increased by 1 and their wounds increased to 2 (if it is already 2 nothing changes)
>Models can take any wargear their independent characters can normally take for the appropriate cost (so ferrus could have a unit of guys with cyber familiars, Imperial Fists can take solar gauntlets)
>Unit costs +15 points per model or +25 points if you increased their wounds and WS
if the option above isn't chosen the following option also exists
>Regular command squad
>All models are WS 6 and 2 W
>Can take up to 7 additional dudes instead of the normal 2
>Models can take any wargear their independent characters can normally take for the appropriate cost (so ferrus could have a unit of guys with cyber familiars, Imperial Fists can take solar gauntlets)
>Base cost of unit is 150 points and each additional dude is 40 points
So you have your super elite guards for primarchs with access to gear normally limited to senior officers or sometimes just praetors. However they are really expensive and probably unnecessary unless you want them to watch as their primarch fights another primarch for six turns.
>>47624969
Aren't Tyrant Siege Terminators in the newer editions Elites only?
>>47629172
>Lion El'Johnson
Luther
>>47631573
I like this idea, maybe give 3 of them the Consul rule to act like representatives of the Armorium, Libraius etc.
OOr maybe that's going to far.
>>47631342
id say 1 champion, 1 libby, 1 medicae is probably balanced.
the problem with forgelords is that they have rad grenades, and siege breakers should probably be forced to take up a HQ slot since phosphex shells are a big deal.
>>47631804
New
>>47631689
Well here was my other idea.
>Primarch's guard
>40 points per model, Consul statline (including power armour by default) and full access to legion wargear as though they were praetors
>Can take any consul options but cannot take a bike, jetbike, or jump pack unless their primarch has the same wargear
>Can NEVER be joined by any characters or independent characters except their primarch
>All members have the consul special rule but the legions are limited on how many they can take per squad (consul upgrades cost 10 points less than normal)
Every legion can take one Primus Medicae, Forge Lord, Master of Signal, and Champion
Emperor's Children, World Eaters, and Imperial Fists can make any and/or all of them champions
Raven Guard can make any and/or all of them Vigilators
Alpha Legion can make any and/or all of them Saboteurs
Word Bearers can take chaplains (as many as they want but more than one is redundant)
Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists can take a single Siege Breaker
Ultramarines have access to every type of generic consul but can only take one of each
Thousand Sons can make any and/or all of them as Librarians but can only use primaris powers
etc.
Fulgrim could have 10 WS 6 Champions in artificer armour with master-crafted Phoenix Spears and combat shields for 40 Str 5 AP 2 WS 6 attacks at Initiative 6 with some rerolls for master crafted and 2+/5++ saves
Corax could have his elite operators all around him sniping entire units apart
Guilliman could have his tactical command team giving orders, calling for artillery strikes and sniping high value targets
Magnus could have a mass of psykers blasting apart the entire battlefield with mind beams
If course these units would be expensive as shit but the main point is to represent the very best of the legion joining their primarch in battle.
>>47631604
They were elites in book 3 but got moved to Heavy in the new legion book, but the preamble text explaining which units go where (which doesn't mention Iron Circle) says they're elites
>>47630995
Sweet
