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https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD
Demiurg Next Christmas.
>>46934688
Orks
that is all
>>46934688
Star Phantoms claim this thread for the Emperor!
Dark Eldar what gives?
>>46934740
This gives me 2 boners
>>46934708
only 1 post from the Emperors warriors? This thread must be purged.
>>46934757
I saw the tau in the pictures and now my boner is gone
>>46934688
Chiken is not 40K
pls remove chiken
I'm looking for a third army that I can very very slowly grow over time. What's the most fun army to paint when taking a break from painting marines?
>>46934873
its part of 40k /tg/ general.
What is the best way to make Genestealer Cult armies? I was thinking of an Imp Guard army that focuses on tanks, then take the Broodlord's Hunting Pack a few times for lots of genestealers. If that needs more point capturing I was thinking of running Skytyrant Swarm a few times for flyrant spam and gargoyles to jump on points.
>>46934911
Legio Titanicus
>>46934935
Forced meme is no part general.
pls remove.
>>46934873
Fuck off.
Both you and the dedicated pro-chickenfags are cancer which keeps shitting up the general.
The chicken has been there for months without causing any problems, and we've even switched between an edit with and witout the chicken routinely.
You're causing problems just to cause problems.
Stop that you flaming fucking faggot.
>>46934980
I say that they are part of 40K.
>>46934950
one of the regular 40k armies though, that I can use in regular games.
>>46935005
Don't engage him.
Just tell him to shut up and stop listening to him after that. He's only fishing for (you)s
>>46934948
I would just get
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Deathwatch-Overkill-EN
with a mixture of regular guardsmen and other tyrannizes
>>46934980
Ah, but the chicken repels trolls, in that regard he is most welcome.
>>46935010
whatever the hell you wan't. I could play and enjoy every 40k army.
is imperial guard good ?
err.. excuse me is Astra Militarum good?
>>46935056
so you like painting every army equally?
>>46934688
This thread is being patrolled by the Warp Runners
>>46934911
Tyranids. Duh.
>>46935104
Wrong pic.
>>46935028
Thanks, that actually looks really good (and pretty cheap).
Those are some crazy underpriced units they have there. If there were any ways to take them except the formation the Faithful Strong would be broken. 2 Las Cannons, 2 grenade launchers and 2 autocannons with 16 models for 110 points.
>>46935055
Considering what happened in previous threads or 40K generals intehegeneral, he is doing a bad job at it.
>>46935005
Proof?
>>46934911
I'd suggest Tyranids. They're a horde army, so you can easily buy small boxes and steadily paint individual gaunts until you've got an entire swarm going.
They're also organic, which might be a nice change of pace from marines.
>>46935114
>>46935178
sounds good. I thought they might be fun to paint.
>>46935083
nah you paint them all different to make them look badass. all the miniatures look good when theyre done well.
What's every faction's positive and negative 'End Game'?
>>46935237
that's a lot to type out nigga.
>>46935237
Good: Everyone dies, thus freeing several thousands of trillions of sentient souls from the warp by killing it.
Bad: Everyone doesn't die, hell continues to be real and awaits us all.
>>46935237
Imperium is easy
Good: Everyone else is dead, mankind rules the galaxy and ascends into a new era of psychic master race
Bad: Anything other than that
Orks
Good: In the grim darkness of the 41st millenium there is only war
Bad: Galactic Peace
>>46935237
I play Black Templars, they have a simple goal.
cleanse the universe of all heresy, or die trying. Templars have no home planet, they spend their entires lives on crusades looking for heresy to purge.
>>46935331
According to ze lore, the Orks purpose of existence is to conquer the galaxy. Mork and Gork are ad at the Orks for forgetting about all of that.
>>46935373
>>46934821
god I love Black Templars
Playing killteams orks and rout tests at LD7 are fucking brutal. Is it better to have more boys so that i(hopefully) stay above 50% or is it better to have a bunch of hardboyz and hope they survive?
>>46935394
Am I the only one who thinks that Gork and Mork are basically the same as Khorne?
>>46935429
Me and my buds tossed the Rout rules, dumb as fuck rule desu
>>46935237
Dark Imperium ending : Abaddon casts down the Emperor and takes his place as the Dark Emperor. He denies the Chaos Gods victory and builds his Dark Imperium from the ashes of the old Imperium. The Age of Darkness and Tyranny begins.
Daemon Imperium : The Emperor is destroyed and Abaddon's treachery is punished. All humanity is transformed into living warp portals that vomit the warp in the galaxy. All Time, space, and life are destroyed. Only Chaos and the laughter of thirsting gods remain.
The Prodigal Son : Be'lakor possesses Abaddon and steals his victory at the last moment. He uses the power of an entire galaxy sacrificed to ascend himself to godhood. He challenges the Chaos Gods and one by one he casts them from their thrones. Be'lakor would stand alone as the One True God of Chaos/Warp. The multiverse will tremble as the Shadow God begins preparation for his next masterplan.Ending C is best ending
>>46935473
I personally think Gork and Mork are actually the Old One scientists who made the Krork, and have been altered by Ork belief to fit their own world view.
That being said, my brother and I have argued about whether Khorne was originally made by the Krork's violence. The four original species fit the four gods pretty well, Nurgle for Necrons, Tzentch for Old Ones, Slaneesh for Eldar and Khorne for Orks.
>>46934959
We at Games Workshop are pleased to Announce all Renegades sets have sold out!!
We are excited to share our newest product with you.
Introducing the new Guilliman Class Dive Bomber for the Adeptus Astartes. This airborne aggressors is equipped with 2 knight buster missiles and a twin link punisher cannon
The knight buster Missile remain airborne for one turn and has AV 13 and 2 HP with an automatic jink save of 4+ The knight buster missile's heat seeking capability is primitive coupled with its slow travel speed means it can pierce the ballistic ion shielding of a knight but can only target superheavy vehicles .
Can I work for GW now?
>>46935473
Yep. Just you.
>>46935473
basically but not as evil.
Khorne wants to destroy the universe and have blood sacrificed in his honour.
Gork and Mork are just eternal gods of war.
>>46935643
>Khorne wants you to kill because he likes it
>gorkamorka wants you to kill because he likes it
>DIRE PROPHECIES
>At the end of the 41st Millennium, it isn’t just the Imperium in turmoil. The Eldar race is on the brink of destruction, prompting alliances between them and their dark kin to ensure survival. The Tau Empire, so keen on conquest, finds itself assailed by Orks and Tyranids while simultaneously waging war against the Imperium. But what of the Necrons? While other races fight for survival, they remain suspiciously quiet. For now…
-From ''A Galaxy in Flames'' WD article by Matt Ward)
In the 40K End Times, the Necrons (all of them) have gone silent as the grave.
Necrons conformed to have no End Game.
>>46934699
What's they're initiative?
Still looking for some feedback on this Nurgle-aligned Crimson Slaughter list, any input would be appreciated (for casual games, nothing competitive)
Brethren of the Dark Covenant (852pts)
··Chaos Space Marines [6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW]
····Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Melta Bombs]
····Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blade]
··Chaos Space Marines [6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW]
····Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Melta Bombs]
····Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blade]
··Chaos Space Marines [6x Chaos Marine with Boltgun, Mark of Nurgle, Meltagun, 6x Take CCW]
····Aspiring Champion [Boltgun, Melta Bombs]
····Chaos Rhino [Dozer Blade]
··Dark Apostle [Mark of Nurgle, Power Maul]
··Possessed [Mark of Nurgle, 4x Possessed, Possessed Champion]
The Ravagers (398pts)
··Chosen [5x Chosen with Boltgun, CCW and Boltpistol, Mark of Nurgle, Plasma Gun, 4x Replace boltgun w/ Plasma gun]
····Chaos Rhino [Havoc Launcher, Dozer Blade]
····Chosen Champion [Boltgun, Combi-plasma]
··Possessed [Mark of Nurgle, 4x Possessed, Possessed Champion]
>>46934688
Anyone have some suggestions for some non OOP GW models that would fit these rules?
For some perspective the official models were basically face huggers with webbing between the legs. I was thinking bats but none they sell fit on 28mm basesor look good.
I'm just getting into warhammer 40k and I've read up on the Tau codex so I know I can only field 1 Iridium Suit in an Army, but could I use the chest model for multiple suits because it looks cool anyways?
Would people complain about this even if I make it very clear that the suits are not using the Iridium, but I have them like that because it looks cooler?
My plan would be for multiple XV8's with the heavier looking armor
>>46935237
>Dark Eldar
Positive Ends
CWE all die creating ynnead, harlequins team up with cegorach to fight alongside ynnead + DE to kill slaanesh.
Without slaanesh all dead Eldar souls consumed by slaanesh are able to reincarnate.
Neutral Ends
Anything that doesn't destroy real space for example abbadon creating dark imperium which wouldn't affect DE in any meaningful way.
Negative Ends
Anything that means no more slave raids for example Chaos Gods win, or Necron win.
Khaine's gate is breached letting slaanesh inside a major webway artery, and it isn't closed in time to stop the rappening.
Lady Malys is so angsty at Vect that she destroys all of Commoragh to get to him.
On a potentially good note Vect is teaming up with Urien to create a doomsday bunker where DE could survive these apocalypses, and of course he has placed all his rivals in positions to be the first to die when the apocalypses start.
>>46935812
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Chaos-Space-Marines-Possessed
>https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/Dark-Eldar-Scourges
>>46935888
I doubt anyone would have a problem, so long as you signified the use of actual Iridium armor in another way.
I also think it might be difficult to get a large number of those, but using them for a more elite small team is more feasible.
>>46935888
>Would people complain about this even if I make it very clear that the suits are not using the Iridium, but I have them like that because it looks cooler?
What are conversions
What are proxies
What are "Shut the fuck up you wysiwyg anal fucktard"
What is "Tau are bad and you should feel bad"
Any thoughts on this list?
+++ 1500pts +++
+ HQ (130pts) +
Chaos Lord (130pts) [Bike, Burning Brand of Skalanthrax, Close Combat Weapon, Mark of Slaanesh, Power Armour, Warlord]
+ Troops (800pts) +
Noise Marines (275pts) [Chaos Rhino, 8x Extra CCW, Icon of Excess, 8x Noise Marines, 8x Replace Boltgun w/ Sonic Blaster]
····Noise Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Doom Siren]
Noise Marines (275pts) [Chaos Rhino, 8x Extra CCW, Icon of Excess, 8x Noise Marines, 8x Replace Boltgun w/ Sonic Blaster]
····Noise Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon, Doom Siren]
Noise Marines (125pts) [4x Noise Marines, Replace Boltgun w/ Blastmaster]
····Noise Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
Noise Marines (125pts) [4x Noise Marines, Replace Boltgun w/ Blastmaster]
····Noise Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
+ Fast Attack (115pts) +
Raptors (115pts) [2x Meltagun, 4x Raptor]
····Raptor Champion [Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon]
++ Black Legion Sorcerer Cabal Formation (455pts) ++
+ HQ (455pts) +
Sorcerer (110pts) [Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
····Force Weapon [Force Stave]
Sorcerer (110pts) [Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
····Force Weapon [Force Stave]
Sorcerer (110pts) [Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Veterans of the Long War]
····Force Weapon [Force Stave]
Sorcerer (125pts) [Additional Mastery Level, Bike, Bolt Pistol, Power Armour, Spell familiar, Veterans of the Long War]
····Force Weapon [Force Stave]
>>46935888
As long as it's easy to understand who is the actual HQ no one should give you any problem.
>>46935237
> Eldar
Good: They Go Extinct
Bad: They Go Extinct
> Imperium
Good: Conquer the Universe so that all humans can live in peace for all eternity and become the Ubermensch
Bad: Literally anything else
> Tau
Good: Conquer the Universe so that all tau can live in peace for all eternity.
Bad: Get noticed by Senpai(Imperium)
> Tyranids
OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM
> Orks
They've already won.
> Necrons
10100111001
> Dark Eldar
What the fuck is an End-Game? Please follow me down this suspicious dark staircase into what I totally swear isn't a torture dungeon
> Chaos
Good: Abaddon finally dies, Chaos fucks off to the maelstrom to go fight with itself for all eternity
Bad: Abaddon somehow lives to enact another 9,000,000 black crusades.
>>46935935
>>46936003
Okay thanks this helps a lot, cheers
Because fuck it, flyers weren't already immortal enough, right?
Off the top of my head, Necrons (due to earlier leaks using their flyers as examples of attack craft) just lost their only anti-air unit. Probably won't be the only army hit.
>>46936007
>Good: Conquer the Universe so that all tau can live in peace for all eternity.
>What the fuck is an End-Game? Please sign down at the bottom of this suspicious dark contract that totally swear isn't an indefinite servitude
FTFY*
>>46936048
flyers are hard to kill but ineffectual for their point cost. The Bomber class and dogfight phase allow them greater impact on the game on the ground but also make them easier to counter.
TL;DR You are probably gonna need to buy a flyer, sorry about that
>>46936048
This isn't a bad thing per-say, it just means that bombers and strafing run planes can't shoot down other planes and "maybe" that fighter planes can only fire at other planes.
>Tl;dr Things on the ground with skyfire prob will keep skyfire
>>46936048
So, everybody will get their own interceptor? What about fighter-bombers?
>>46936048
That seems like a really dumb change. What's the point of the fucking gunner grots on the Ork bombers? They're modelled in a similar way to actual planes, and those sorts of turret mounted guns were only for killing enemy planes and defending the bomber!
Hell, the Sunshark is a Bomber, and it has a pair of Interceptor drones also specifically designed to attack enemy flyers with Skyfire.
Whose idea was this? This is terrible. Now not only are dedicated Fighters better at taking out enemy air units, but Bombers and Attack Flyers can hardly defend themselves at all.
>>46935928
ey thanks for the links, but I was thinking more little beasties rather than full sized models to represent the toughness 2 better.
I found what I was looking for though, razorwings are perfect for the whole "latching onto some poor guys face and clawing at it" thing.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Eldar-Razorwing-Flock
>>46935681
sleep snug, smug
>>46936048
They also listed the Stormraven as an attack flyer, so Blood Angels have no access to Skyfire either.
>>46936123
The right definition for Sunshark Bomber is "fighter-bomber".
>>46936048
I'm assuming they mean that only Fighter will be given Skyfire automatically just for being Flyers. Still seems very dumb though.
>>46934911
I had the most fun painting Nurgle Daemons, and Knights.
>>46936146
Holy shit youre right, the stormraven was poor anti air before because if it didnt get to shoot first it was fodder but now they LITERALLY have no skyfire
>>46934688
The Warp Runners fought throughout the Great Crusade and still retain a number of Titans blessed by the Emperor of Mankind himself. Later, the Legion fought throughout the darkest days of the Horus Heresy, and participated in numerous engagements including the Battle of Tallarn. Legend has it that a battlegroup of Legio Astorum Titans was present at the defence of the Emperor's Palace during the Battle of Terra and ever since those dark days of the Great Betrayal, the Warp Runners have continued to faithfully serve the Emperor and His Imperium.
Jesus Christ, the only reason I even take flyers is to get access to Skyfire on units that don't have to snap fire at ground targets.
>>46936151
Maybe, except on the leaks we already have it was listed as an example of the new Bomber Category.
If anything it got off lucky though, since it's two Interceptor drones can still fight flyers for it.
It still makes the rest of its wargear dumb though. No reason to take missiles to defend itself or use the networked markerlight to aim at enemy flyers.
It just feels really off when a Flyer that has guns that are clearly designed for taking on other air units can't use them at all.
Man, my Scythes just got ruined. Welp, I am off to sell my Necrons...
>>46936048
why do I get the feeling this just buffs Eldar.
What is really stupid is that the new rule doesn't effect FMCs, who are better than aircraft now anyway. Those Flyrants just get better and better.
Welp, guess flyers just got added to the list with Psykers of units too much of a complicating nuisance to bother ever using.
>>46936210
Is the Razorshark Strike Fighter in the list? Technically Strike Fighters are interdictor bombers, I think.
>>46936221
I'll buy your Scythes and any immortals you have for 10$ per Scythe and 20$ per 20 Immortals.
Maybe the New Dogfight rules won't take effect until the "8th edition" update, hopefully we get a new interceptor model for everyone in that time.
>>46936154
Yeah, I'd have to agree, that seems most likely the case.
>>46936048
>being a space wolf
>neither flier is going to be fighter
>we won't get new flier
Fuck you GW.
>>46936235
Probably. Crimson Hunters are definitely Fighters, which means there's a lot less enemy aircraft to threaten them now.
The Wraith flyer is probably going to be listed as an Attack Flyer, since it's better for blowing up ground vehicles, but this doesn't affect it at all since it already had Blasts and couldn't shoot flyers anyway.
Maybe it might nerf some of the Forgeworld Bombers, but I don't know their loadout well
>>46936048
Meh, almost no one used fighters in our store anyway.
>>46936249
Hope is the first step on the road of disappointment brother.
>>46936242
They didn't list it, but it's either going to be a Fighter (because it's in the name) or a Attack Flyer, because it's good at attacking ground targets, but isn't quite a bomber.
I think they'll go with what it's intended role is though and make it a Fighter in order to further differentiate it from the Sunshark, because currently both of them are very similar in function.
>>46936210
Is there a pic of the list?
>>46936272
Eh, you never know. They might give that new interceptor to all the chapters for more sales.
>>46936314
They better do that, just look at the blood angels.
>>46936304
Here >>46925553
There were a couple other leaks in the previous thread as well, but we got a handful of examples of each type of unit in each category.
Sunshark was specifically called out as a Bomber.
I'm now worried what this means for Guard though, as I don't think they have any dedicated fighter craft.
>>46936346
You have Hydras
>Be Admech
>Either have zero anti-air in list, or take 125 point model that's dead points if the opponent takes no flyers
Flyers are a cancer on the game and should never have stopped being fast skimmers.
A-At least my Black Templars get all the new toys even when they're basically ignored and forgotten.I'd probably trade places with one of you BA or wolves players if it just meant their own codex really.
>>46936346
It does say Bombers have extra firepower in the form of turrets, which it's just vaguely possible might have the Skyfire special rule.
>>46936369
>Literally ever putting dead points in a TAC list to deal with 1 in 10 armies
>>46936378
You are obviously new to BTs, best thing they ever did was move them into the Vanilla codex
>>46936048
>>46925593 might imply that Fighters can't shoot ground targets at all now, which means that now they're absolutely useless for anything except dedicated anti-air.
>>46936378
>it's another uppity second founder complaining post
yawn
The right combination now is pure bomber and lots of anti-aircraft?
>>46936378
Codex: Scouts join tactical squads and you get a unique HQ?
Meh.
>>46936380
Well they might as well have let them keep it then, since any Bomber is going to have it's bombs and whatever defenses it has. The bombs can't be skyfired anyway, so why remove skyfire and then just add it back to all of the guns?
>>46936393
So if its dead points then the opponents have no flyers and you dont need to bring any to begin with.
>>46936410
Well, according to the other leaks, with the new dogfight phase, you run a good chance of all of your bombers getting shot down before they even get on the table if the enemy brings a lot of fighters.
>>46936397
>>46936401
>>46936411
Was meant as being more of a lighthearted joke but sure, lets just keep complaining about flyers.
>>46936092
In other words, fighters will become as useless as vast majority of AA units, because they're only good for one thing.
I love it. The fact that they now make most of their flyers non-fighters lets them sell you a whole new line of flyers for fighter duty. Homie don't play that. I'd rather take that Hydra unit than buy a new flyer or two.
>>46936421
Which makes games against that 1 in 10 guy with flyers a pain in the ass, and gives you codex entries that usually won't contribute to the game if taken.
Hooray for great game design.
>Bomber are now meant to fly like planes from WW2. With turrets and all.
>>46936454
Yep. It makes Fighters on par with ground-based anti-air in most cases, and worse in others.
The only real benefit is shooting down enemy flyers before they come on during dogfighting, but really, if you're going to sink a bunch of points into fighters just to kill all the enemy bombers before putting them on the table, you might as well just agree with your opponent to go down 500 points and not bring any.
>>46936462
Then dont play the 1 in 10 guy, or simple ask if you can put some skyfire in your list so you have a better chance.
Really the only thing it takes is a bit of social skills
>>46936048
If they rework the vector strike to not working on the dog fight phase helturkeys will be extremely fucked.
>>46936485
>Grot Gunner can only shoot up at other aircraft
>Now can only shoot with their improved Ballistic skill at ground targets
>Orks confirmed for flying upside-down for maximum efficiency.
Are these new rules and update of the rulebook or just rules for a niche game mod?
Are the new flyer rules mandatory?
>>46936048
>Razorwing Jetfighter
>Now an Attack Flyer making them even worse at AA
Calling it now
>>46936568
>rules
>mandatory
Sure
>>46936570
>Razorwing Jetfighter
>Jetfighter
>fighter
I think it might be a Fighter anon
>>46936568
It's exactly as mandatory as every rule in 40K, in that you and your opponent can choose to follow or ignore whatever you like.
Conversely, it's a standard addition to the rules.
>>46936490
I just feel bad for Ork players, who bought dakkajets. That flyboss ain't gonna make his BS any better vs. ground targets. Enjoy your BS1 dakka. Also people who bought xiphons, which are likely gonna be fighters. I lucked out by picking a Lightning for my Legion. I might have lost one AA unit since it can't multi-role anymore, but a compliment of penetrator missiles into a flare shielded spartan will make up for it.
I wonder if there's any chance of one of flyers that does get to be a fighter having blast or template weapons. That'd be hilarious.
>>46936596
We don't know if Fighters just have Skyfire at all times or whether it's the same as it is now, and it's a toggleable option.
>>46936584
It has more anti infantry weaponry than it does anti flyer weaponry.
>>46936617
This >>46936581 would imply they don't
>>46936565
>BS1 dakkajet
>>46936123
It may be that the Grot gunners get skyfire. Defensive guns may be an exception.
Space Marine bomber when? FW, GW, anything. All I want is a flyer available to a Marine army with bombs.
>>46936629
We have one decent flyer and if this >>46936628
is true, then they just took that away.
This isn't kicking someone when they're down. This is pile-driving the victim of a car-accident.
>>46936565
They better buff the bombs from the Sunshark Bomber after that. Also, what's the role of the markerlights now?
>>46936642
Then why bother?
The Ork bombers have the Big shoota on the grot gun, which is clearly anti-air, and the Super-shoota, which is the same gun that a Dakkajet gets, and is mounted on the front. They're both designed for taking out enemy planes, and the bombs don't care about skyfire anyway.
The only defensive guns a Sunshark has is a Missile pod. Outside of that it has the pulse-bombs, which don't care about it, and a Networked markerlight, which has no business being networked if the only thing it's boosting is the Skyfire Missile Pod.
Fighters having Skyfire is obvious.
Attack Flyers are listed as an midway option between Fighters and Bombers, so they should have it as well for any guns that can take advantage. Rely on Blasts and Strafing run to encourage hitting Ground targets.
Bombers are designed to attack ground targets, but tend to have a handful of token anti-air guns on them. Now they can't even do that.
Nothing about this change makes sense.
>>46936687
Markerlighting ground targets for other units? Do they have strafing run? That could help multiply markerlights from other units like pathfinders since its would be BS4. Not great though. Sorry, don't play tau so I can only really speculate there.
>>46936687
Seeker missile spam.
so I've been looking at Angels of Death supplement and specifically at the sternhammer detachment for IF... now it says it can be used by "each of their successors" but somehow, I doubt this extends to Black Templar, who have their own chapter tactics. Crimson fists, while they have a unique character, explicitly use IF chapter tactics, so they can use it... but is there something that settles the case explicitly for BT in either direction?
>>46936723
They don't have Strafing run. The Networked markerlight used to be useful for being a Skyfire Markerlight, and could be used by the bomber on its own to fire it's Missiles at enemy planes more easily.
It just doesn't
>>46936295
>used
I bought my first pack of Warhammer units yesterday in lord knows how many years. I sold all my old Space Marines to a friend, and yesterday got myself one pack of Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors.
What do? I want to make my Deldar army somewhat unique, colour scheme and appearance wise. Any recommendations for mix-n-matching as well as colours?
>>46936732
Might as well just take a Skyray then, since it can actually have a Skyfire Markerlight and fire the Seeker missiles at flyers.
>>46936779
What if ongoing reserves allows you to reload the missiles?
>>46936745
If the requirement is Chapter Tactics (Imperial Fists) then the BT cannot use it, as they have their own tactics.
Correct me if I'm wrong, however.
>>46936764
Sell deldar
Buy Marines
WIN
>>46936791
Then you're still better off taking a Sky Ray, because it can still fire those missiles at the ground, gets 6, and is cheaper as a baseline.
There was already very little reason to take a Sunshark except for having a neat little flyer that did some cool unique things. Now it just makes no sense fluff-wise or rules-wise, and any good reasons to take it are basically gone.
I'm sorry for harping on Tau, but the Sunshark is the Flyer I'm most familiar with, and what I'm saying about it probably applies to plenty of other Flyers as well with this change. Flyers that I'm sure other armies are actually relying on for their current air power, rather than being a gimmick in a Tau list.
This change is Bad.
>>46936611
Are they going to reprint the rules for every single flyer in the game? I guess Death from the Skies will have more than just three new rules.
No flyers, no psykers, no Superheavies, no superdetachments.
Game is now more fun,
>>46936836
Maybe they will rework the stats for every single flyer in the game.
>>46936880
Pretty much. I was actually considering getting a Flyer, but this seems like such a headache that I'd just as soon not bother.
>>46936794
well that's just it.. it cant find ït stating it outright anywhere... it subtly hints at BT being a successor who can use it in a number of places, but is never ever clear about it. But isnt Chapter tactics X a requirement for each of these? if so then no?
>>46936892
You're suggesting that Games Workshop is going to go unit-by-unit to make sure every unit is useful and functioning rules-wise?
They can't even do that with a normal codex release, let alone an update like this.
Whats the stormfang gunship categorized as under the new flyer rule?
>>46936611
The fuck is a Break Turn?
>>46936745
>>46936794
BT don't get the Sternhammer. Might be an oversight but right now they can't because they're not CT:IF
>>46936914
Well, flyers used to be Skimmers.
>>46936880
I can think of a few things in 40k that need attention; new flyer rules wasnt one of them.
>>46936880
>no Superheavies
>Game is now more fun
Speak for yourself.
>>46936880
Overall game balance changes very little. Only faction that I can think of that really goes down a notch or two is Necrons because Decurion is so strong. Orks and CSM don't magically get better because flyers, psykers and super-heavies are gone.
>>46936925
Nothing confirmed yet, though by a general reading of the rules, it and the Stormwolf would both be Attack Flyers, since they're transports and have Blasts for attacking ground targets.
>>46936668
>What is imperial navy
>What is Marauder Bomber
How many multi melta shots does it take to kill one of the new space marine flyers?
>four flyrants in the square formation for whatever defensive bonuses it profiles
I want Barracudas back.
>>46936958
You duelling them? If you ain't duelling them you're taking a giant stick to a twig-off.
>>46936980
I'll take "not space marines" for 500, Alex.
>>46936980
>What is imperial navy
Not Space Marines.
>What is Marauder Bomber
Super-heavy. I'm looking for something smaller, fighter sized. Like a lightning or thunderbolt that can drop bombs.
>>46936936
figured as much. No reason for me to get the book then
>>46936965
>Invisibility deathstars are out
>No undercosted superheavies like Wraithknights running around
>Marines, Tau, and Eldar can't use their bullshit formations
>Orks, CSM, and other low-tier armies have garbage formations so nothing changes
>Low tier armies also tend to have weaker psykers.
Nah, it definitly does nerf the bigger armies. Maybe not quite enough to bridge the gap, but the top tier armies lose a lot while the low tier ones lose basically nothing.
The ones hit hardest are probably Flyrant spam and Flying circus builds.
>>46936880
What SuperHeavy is so overpowered it ruins the game when there is more then one? Which SuperHeavy? The things that take so-many penalties for existing. Knights can only fire in a 45% arc and barely have the worse invul save of its class, baneblades and its variants are a joke for cost value, and so many ap2, rending, melta, armourbane weapons are avalible.
>>46936997
Too bad. Enjoy your new giant suits. Tau are trenchers now.
>>46936965
I said "game is now more fun", not "factions are now more balanced".
>>46937016
Its fucking Imperium you stupid little shit. You can use them with both SM and IG
>>46937028
Wraithknights. Or are you just assuming that by superheavies he just meant superheavy vehicles and not gargantuan creatures? Because that would be a rather odd distinction for him to make, and a rather silly assumption on your part.
>>46937025
>>Marines, Tau, and Eldar can't use their bullshit formations
2 of the 3 bullshit marine builds were CADs.
Tau still have strong CAD.
Eldar never used formations as CAD was simply better.
It's a good start though, formations are garbage. They either see no play or are broken overpowered pieces of shit. Same with psychic powers and superheavies. Practically anything that sees competitive play, mostly.
>>46936880
>no psykers
>allows monstrous creatures
>allows gargantuan creatures
I think we found the Tau player.
>>46937005
But many smaller splinters hurt just as bad as one giant stick.
>>46937034
A big reason for games not being fun right now is factional imbalance.
The biggest other one however is psyker bullshit so I'll freely grant you that.
>>46937028
Tau'nar
Cor'bax
Certaink FW knights
Stormsurge
Wraithknight
That should be all of them. Every other superheavy/GC is pretty average or borderline shitty in today's 40k.
>>46937030
>Tau are trenchers now.
A massed infantry tau list with greatcoats and hoses on all the helmets would be awesome, maybe some different helmets altogether for a more WWI trench warfare kind of look.
>>46937048
Imperium and space marine are not the same thing. If he wants a space marine armory bomber piloted by space marines, the Marauder doesn't fit the bill.
>>46937079
>Certaink FW knights
Nigger, actually bring one out. Try out the rules. They have very little over regular knights. They are just overly specialized
>>46937049
Thats why we should be using SHV/GCs rather then Super-heavies.
Make super-heavies regular vehicles with the exceptions that they have PotMS and can ignore the Ordnance rule of reducing other weapons to snap fire. Maybe rework vehicle rules to drop the auto-destruction of rolling a 6 on the table and make it like D3 hull points.
>>46937089
Oh, boo hoo. Space Marines haven't immediately gotten literally everything on a silver platter.
Nevermind that most factions are busy looking at losing all of their potential anti-air flyers and only have 2 flyers at all.
Unless you're trying to be jealous of Orks
>>46937057
I said "No Superheavies", if you show up to a no Superheavies situation with a Gargantuan Creature all you'll get is withering contempt from people pointing out you know full well that didn't need to be clarified.
If we are are balancing I think Invis could use some reworking. Maybe it only applies to 6 models or less when cast on something that is not a single unit and 2 ICs make.
Still usable but not Tough unit+beatstick guy+feel no pain guy+Pysker
>>46937108
Because you can't understand that when people say 'superheavies' they mean all those sorts of units?
Plenty of other people understood him just fine. You're the only one who thought he only meant vehicles.
>>46937094
I have. The Acheron literally has a hellstorm flamer. Only thing it's missing is torrent, because FW wanted people to actually be able to play the game when this thing shows up
>>46937121
SuperHeavies=/=GCs
Say HLOWS or SHGCS
>>46937122
also flame templates can hit it
>>46937121
Super-heavy and Gargantuan Creature are two very different things.
>>46937113
>was wrong
>spergs out and calls people stupid shits
>now gets angry about "complaining" and moves goalpost when calmly burnt the fuck out
Maybe just stop posting?
>>46937122
Better, make it so you fire at BS 1 against it, and Swing at WS 1 against it.
Basically, it behaves as an inverted Blind, which makes perfect sense.
This means you can still randomly fire Blasts and Flamers in their general direction to murder them (perfectly sensible) and makes CC against them less obnoxious.
>>46937144
I'm not even the guy you were talking to. I just saw someone whining that Space Marines didn't have a Bomber and assumed you were complaining about not having everything.
>>46937130
STR:7
AP:3
Wow, its like there are other flamers out there that have str D or 2+ poison
>>46937132
>Satisfy my autism
No.
>>46937144
>Still whining
>Thinks he was right
>wants to be special still
>Thinks only one person is posting against him
Maybe stop posting?
So... what's the deal with this death from the skies? Optional supplement? Overall rules change to 7th for all fliers?
Also, does this affect FMCs?
>>have a stormtalon for skyfire anti air to dakka the daemon princes and what all
>>guess he's only good for 360 no scoping rhinos now and I'm back to being fucked to death by flyrants and wingaling greater daemons and princes and all the other flying assholes of the world.
>>46937172
Is it really fair to bunch SHs with GCs?
>>46937186
Yes? Why would it not be?
>Inb4 Wraithknights are better than Knights/Baneblades
And Heirodrules are worse.
They're all several-wound units that are immune to a bunch of normal stuff, stomp on things smaller than them, and belong in Apocalypse.
>>46937146
I get why BS should be 0 but WS should 100% be 1
Are the start collecting boxes roughly equivalent when played against each other?
>>46937182
No word on FMCs. Odds are they're completely unaffected because GW overlooked them. Expect them to also overlook Vector strikes on the heldrake because they overlooked FMCs entirely
>>46937226
No.There's an Ork Start Collecting box.
>>46937215
I said it should be 1 for both. Just like the Blind special rule.
If someone goes "no superheavies in our 4v4", only an absolute autist would think their hierophant would fly, or their 5 wraithknights or whatever.
>>46937146
>Basically, it behaves as an inverted Blind, which makes perfect sense.
invisibility should also confer blind for that matter, as the light is passing through the eye as if it wasn't there
>>46937226
All start collecting boxes are created equal.But some start collecting boxes are more equal than others.
How are the skitarii and mechanicus doing nowadays?
>>46937226
no but you can make it fun. Give some units a respawn or something. Or let the lesser box hold objective and the greater box needs to take them. Get the codexes and tally up the point to figure out who is better
>>46937271
>All start collecting boxes are created equal.
In price, sure.
>>46937283
This seems like a plan. I like the idea of having a bunch of mini armies to play with.
>>46937283
>Get the codexes and tally up the point to figure out who is better
points are terrible measure of power
>>46937212
There is also the Baby carrier, StormSurge, Ta'unar, etc...
>>46936565
I swear to christ if they make dakkajets snapfire at ground targets
I cant fucking breathe. They have strafing run for christ's sake
What the fuck there goes a HUGE staple of my army. Ive killed so much ground stuff with dakkajets
>>46937321
What is your point?
>>46937346
Strafing run would up it to BS2, wouldn't it? That's something, right? Propa orky, eh?
>>46937369
Except that's not how mods work. You'd add the +1 before you determined if they were snapshotting.
It literally makes strafing run worthless.
>>46936565
I'm going to guess that fighers have bonuses for dogfighting or something. Attack fighters should get a tank-hunter or something rule.
>>46937385
Fighters so far evidentally give some bonus to dogfighting, to the degree that you're more likely to win with Fighters than bombers, which makes sense
>Bought almost a dozen ork flyers
>Immediately afterwards GW changes the rules for flyers completely, making most of it worthless
>>46937382
Then how is it possible for some models to improve their BS for snap fire with +1 to BS?
>>46936581
So is this going to have any effect on the Vendetta or not?
Friend plays three in every fucking army and it's killing my sisters big time.
>>46937430
Tell me which models you mean and I'll tell you how.
>>46936599
>Agility and Pursuits stats.
>Agility: Zooming flyers have a chance to perform a second Break Turn in their movement Phase.
>Pursuit: Boost Flat out distance.
>Dark Eldar Razorwing Pusuit: 5
12" and 24" becomes 17" and 29"
>Engage sub-phase.
>Manoevre sub-phase.
>>46937415
Don't worry. You'd have to be a lunatic to actually use these rules.
>>46937435
If you're lucky, it'll be made into a Fighter, and Fighters will be made to snap-shot at ground targets.
Otherwise, they'll likely be Attack Flyers, which means they snap-shot at flyers instead. Capitalize on this to take an Avenger Strike Fighter (which will lack any of these new bullshit rules) and blow all of his out of the sky while they do nothing in return.
>Flying Creatures are unaffected by this update.
>>46935073
>Is Imperial guard good ?
Yes.
>Is Astra Militarum good?
No.
>>46937449
Remember when people said the same thing about Escalation?
>>46937415
>Count as.
I like chaos aesthetics, but I also like what the imperium stands for and what it does
how do I reconcile this?
>>46937415
>Trade Necron Army for Ork Walkers
>Find out FW screwed over Orks just as hard as GW
>Now have 9 Deff Dreads, 15 Killa Kans, 2 Orkanaughts, and a Stompa and no way to field them all
I dont regret the trade because I know the Necrons are actually being used now but it sucks mayne
>>46937517
Alpha Legion.
>>46937527
wots dat
>>46937527
>>46937548
No such legion exists
>>46937449
You wont have a choice if they become core parts of the game, fampai.
Otherwise you might as well say the same with the psychic phase in general.
>Build up an entire ork army
>A month after I finish, 7th ed ork codex drops
>Build and paint entire skaven army
>month later they kill fantasy
>Decide to start up some black templars
>They release super OP psychic powers for space marines
>Start up orks again, begin collecting Blitz brigade
>FAQ coming out will most likely nerf it
>Buy up several formations worth of ork flyers
>Few weeks later Flyers are totally changed
Please kill me
>>46937527
>>46937548
Nothing citizen.
>>46937548
One of the Space Marine Legions that's focused on being super secretive. Thus they get to be spiky while possibly being loyalists because they're so secretive that nobody actually knows whose side they're on.
I think.
>>46937598
They were originally designed to be the Inquisition, and some people think they still run it.
>>46937577
Eh, I don't run flyers anyway. None of these rules really affect you if you aren't using flyers yourself.
>>46937548
Just as planned.
>>46937620
>Some say he's the secret mastermind behind the Inquisition
>Others claim he's a traitor to the Emperor
>All we know for certain is he's called the Stig
>>46937264
Invisibility in 40k is making everyone else unable to recognize where you are through mind control. This is why invisibility falls under telepathy.
>>46935778
>What is they are initiative?
Look guys a real life ork trying to act like a human.
>>46935055
Repels trolls, attract tools.
>>46935999
You please the Dark Prince with that many Noise Marines, but you have almost no anti-tank.
Anything from a simple Imperial Guard with a few Leman Russ to some Iron Hand doing his thing will be unstoppable for you.
>>46937750
ASTRAL MUH WAT NOW OIM INA HUMIE GUARD
>>46934740
That is the sexiest display boards I have ever seen.
>>46936048
CSM only have the Heldrake, and have no antiair of any kind outside the flakk havocs and the vector strikes.Lucky for me I only use an Hellblade
>>46937886
Better start capturing defense lines with quad guns. Honestly they aren't bad though.
>>46937175
Imperial Navy aren't Space Marines.
>>46937910
Yes, i have that too.
But it's weird. CSM hiding behind defense line and such.
I'm no Iron Warrior.
> a guy selling me 30 stormboys, a looted land raider, 6 bikes and a biker warboss for 75 dollars
It feels good to play the bad army
>>46937958
I acquired most of mine from people just giving their shit when they quit.
Not sure if that is a good thing though.
>>46937949
Yeah thats fair, maybe park some cultists behind it. Or havocs that are expected to to that sort of thing anyway. Don't think of it as so much as hiding behind it as turning their own honored wargear upon them to add insult to injury after seizing it. That and just being practical as a commander unless you're all completely berserk khornates.
They are doing it for real.
They are giving you Ignore Cover if you put the fliers in a certain pattern.
>>46938007
Its almost as if armor saves and cover don't exist. Lets just ram naked models at each other in empty boards. Drops the pretense.
>>46938007
What about units with stealth or shrouded? Camo is a thing vs planes.
>>46938054
Silly anon, You cant take cover in ruins because a flyers advanced weaponry shoots right through the rubble!
You cant hide from the advanced 40k targeting systems either!
>>46938007
>already have line of sight
>still feel the need to give ignore cover for bullshit formations
fucking hell
guess selling people 2 flyers per army wasn't enough for them
Warbuggies any good?
>>46938102
they can be decent, but my knowledge of them is stuck in late third/early fourth edition when fast movers were valuable even without a huge damage output
Just talked to the guy in the GW store about the new flyers and he mentioned that the various aircraft would be classified like this:
>Fighter
Stormhawk Interceptor
Crimson Hunter
Dakkajet
Nephelim
Razorwing
>Attack Plane
Stormraven
Stormtalon
Stormwolf
Valkyrie
Vendetta
Heldrake
Wazbom Blastajet
Nightscythe
>Bomber
Hemlock Wraith
Voidraven
Burna-Bomma
Sunshark
Doomscythe
Dark Talon
Blitza-Bomma
He didn't know about the Stormfang and the Razorshark.
Redshirt info, so might also be utter bullshit.
Faction Army Point Modifiers:
Every 1,000 points factions get 100 'free' points to spend on something to represent their unique methods to wage war:
>Imperial Armies get a flat 100 points for anything to represent the sheer amount of forgeworlds and resrouces it dumps into military strength
>Tau get 100 points for upgrades and other 'tech' to show their tech prowess
>nids get 100 points to add to swarmy units like 'gaunts, rippers and/or bio-upgrades to represent their adaptation and swarm theme.
>Eldar get nothing because they're a dying race and already put 100% effort and resources to fight in a skirmish.
>Orks get 100 to spend on adding more bodies to any unit.
>Necrons get 100 for adding more bodies.
Lets be real, Eldar are the best at everything in the game. They are a dying race with limited resources and fighting capability but it isn't represented in-game. So it's always a 'fair'(points equivalent) fight with a race superior in every aspect. So it's not really a fair fight after all.
Thoughts? Alterations?
>>46938144
My plan is take 5, stick rokkits on them and hope they draw fire away from my more valuable assets(tank busta trukk, wagon full of boys, manz trukk)
Probably not but with TL rokkits they might punish it. Might.
>new rules
>mfw almost every unit can take skyfire
>nothing changes
>>46938160
more rokkits are always good, especially if they're twin-linked
go for it
>>46937438
Tau can do it because their Markerlights specifically say they can buff snap shots.
Unless a rule states specifically that it affects Snap Shots you can't modify them to be higher.
>>46937385
>Attack fighters should get a tank-hunter or something rule.
>Vehicles need to be shittier
>>46938156
That's pretty superfluous. Just spend the regular points you get in a way that satisfies your fluffy desires. No need to fuck around with shit that's impossible to balance and awkward to handle.
>>46934740
Imagine being the guy who submitted the board directly to the left of that one.
They probably spent a lot of time painting their models, maybe bought a spraygun to do those bits of red dirt/ash waste bits.
They put down their display, proud of their achievement, then the resident DE player puts down her display...
Maybe next year.
>>46938196
>fluffy desires
I 100% want that.
But at the same time I like to not get obliterated by any eldar that took more than a second to make.
>>46934858
It could be said thatyour dick's cover was blown out
>>46937415
It's rather demoralizing how we keep getting fucked over. Chaos might be in the doldrums with us but damnit if GW doesn't keep on finding ways to drag us down even further.
>2014. 7th edition codex hits. Nerfs to many units across the board, others outright removed.
>2014: Ghazghkull supplement hits. Somehow manages to have worse army rules than the base Ork codex.
>2015: Forgeworld removes Imperial Armour 8 and states via email that the Dread Mob list is now considered unofficial.
>2016: The Ghazghkull supplement is updated, somehow becoming worse and removing one of its most viable formations for no reason
>2016: A new model for Orks is released, an overpriced bomber. At the same time, new rules force the one decent flyer Orks have to no longer have a ground-attack role
Hell maybe there's more in there, I can't quite remember, but I'm starting to think there's someone on the dev team who is actively out to get us.
>>46938156
wouldn't work out to well i think
maybe spending make x% of points on certain units to make more fluffy lists
>>46938035
>Lets just ram naked models at each other in empty boards. Drops the pretense.
AGE OF THE EMPEROR CONFIRMED
>post yfw chaos becomes a supplement for regular space marines
>>46938253
That's actually a better idea than mine.
Eldar have lower % to spend on big things like WKs, in case of iyanden they then have lower % elsewhere etc
>>46938156
IG get flat 100 or 150 if all the bonus points go into a fortification, hold the line
Space marines get 100 points to put into elite gear, relic blade, artificer armour, Chapter relics, unique shit. To symbolize traditions and honour
What're you guys working on?
Im nearly ready for Apoc on saturday, only 4 nobz left to paint
>>46936565
>Leap out and tackle enemy infantry
>From a flier
That invokes images of hooligan marines literally flying out of aircrafts to tackle some unsuspecting xeno, and then run off with their heads like football players.
Do people in 40k know the names of the traitor primarchs, or has that been erased from history?
I would think they'd be boogeymen to the average imperial, but maybe they only know of Horus.
>>46938327
90% of imperial citizens will probably only know about the emperor and that he is god. Maybe some super simplified hymns about his deeds and how he was betrayed by his son.
>>46938320
>That invokes images of hooligan marines literally flying out of aircrafts to tackle some unsuspecting xeno, and then run off with their heads like football players.
40K/10
>>46938315
I just got them and I'll start as soon as i can.
I love old stuff.>inb4 every CSM kit is old
>>46938327
Maybe horus and some High priests know a man named Lorgar wrote the book but not who he is or what he did.
>>46938347
I would have thought Lorgar would have been stricken from most imperial records and religious canon.
>>46938275
On a similar note, I've been thinking about footman wars -mode for 40k on the slow hours of work. Haven't tested or anything, just thrown out some ideas:
>You get 0.5 "Composition point" for each infantry troop unit in your army
>You can spend 1 composition point to get non-troop infantry unit
>You can spend 1 composition point to get non-infantry troop unit.
>You can use 2 comp points to get non-troop non-infantry unit.
>No special characters, no vehicles, no MC
>If your unit has optional squad leader upgrade, it's free (Veteran sarge, shas'ui, nob, exarch, etc)
>For each extra model above the minimum squad size you get 5p to spend on unit upgrades on that unit. Take 20 ork boyz? Get 50p of upgrades for it. 30 gaunts? 100p of biomorphs.
>You can use your normal point allowance on unit upgrades too, but you get free points for extra dudes.
Probably still needs some fine tuning on codex-per-codex basis but ideally players are poised to choose between taking many units to unlock non-troops/non-infantry or going with basic mooks with extra wargear. I also thought about including dedicated transports but that can easily bring wave serpents and land raiders on the table with even basic troops and can lead into pretty shitty scenarios.
Thoughts?
>>46938315
Finishing off modelling my stormfiends (robot maniple)
Just generally working on my admech/skitarri Skaven
>>46938347
the Imperial cult sprang up as major power long after the heresy and were an underground illegal cult for a while before that. I think it's fairly possible the name of the writer survived if nothing else, Maybe just the "son of the emperor" but I imagine there is trace of him around still.
>>46938320
In all honesty that sounds fucking awesome.
>>46938366
I'm making a narrative campaign this summers for my clientsI own a gaming bar.
Tournament just ended and players are very negative against the balance right now.
We usually make a mini-tournament the summers, but this years I want to make something different because I know people will not participate.
So here's how is going to work.
>No point whatsoever
>You bring your own character. You are free to model as you want, you must give him a story and I'll make some rules for it. Can have unusual equipment and it will have some unique abilities.
>Game work with Slots and not points
>You start with 2 troops and 1 specialist
>You'll have an army list where it shows what can you have, what upgrades you can have etc
>Those slots are balanced without even looking at the point cost
>Units can get EXP. That allows them to buy extra upgrades
>Secondary missions can get you extra Equipment and rare weapons, which you can give to your units.
>Each mission is narrative driven, and will have secondary objectives that will give you rewards
>Players will have to RPG, as they have objectives in the campaign, but will have to make choices, both moral and strategic
Should i help the civilians or use them as a bait for tactical advantage
>This will impact what mission and what objectives and enemy you will face
Rules are already written, but are not in english.
People are getting really excited, I'm happy about it.
>>46938450
that sounds really cool anon.
what language is the rules in ? i'd love to read it and maybe use the rules myself.
>>46938320
stormravens are fun for that reason alone
air-dropping a dreadnought is arguably even cooler than drop-podding one
>>46938366
>no MC
Yes, lets fuck the poor Nids harder than GW.
Sounds neat.
>>46938486
Filthy Italian.
If the campaign goes well, I'll be happy to translate it in English.
This is the version I'm playtesting, it lacks some details and I'm not yet sure if i'll keep the core rules changes, but it's mostly here.
>>46938450
Imperial guard mfw I can bring over 200 models under these rules. 2 122 man platoons are my troops choice and Pask in Vanquisher
>>46938520
Here it's the first "Codex" for the campaign.
I will make the others as soon as i know which factions will participate.
There is no point of doing Codices for every factions at the moment.
>>46938537
Not really, I'll give you an Army List.
See >>46938538 for an example.
Trying to choose between the tau and necron starter box for a tournament using only the contents of the box. Any suggestions?
>>46938520
>>46938538
darn, had hoped a language closer to something i could understand.
Good luck with it though, anon.
>>46938547
Just cheesing, I would never do that in real life
>>46938573
cognates bruh, give it second look
>>46938555
Only the box? Tau, obviously. The necron box is very meh by itself.
>>46938582
wat
Does anyone know if the nephelim fighter is ground attack still?
>>46938573
>Good luck with it though, anon.
Thank you.
At the end of the summer I'll translate it, i promise.
>>46938606
Supposedly a fighter craft, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.
>>46938601
cognates are words that appear similar to words in other languages that have the same meaning. It allow people to read other languages and get the gist of what the user means. I could get the gist of the italian
> Terminator Squad
L’unità è composta da 3 modelli, di cui uno è un Sergeant.
the unit is composed of 3 models one is sergeant
because the words look similar I can read it without speaking the language
>>46938641
ah, i see.
yeah i could understand very small parts of it, but i need to able to read it all if i'm ever gonna use the ruleset myself.
>>46938611
I hope to be in whatever thread you post it !
>>46938627
Ffffffffuck.
I hope these rules don't stick
>>46938555
Let's see:
- Ethereal
- three units of one crisis suit or any other arrangement
- 10 firewarriors with turret
- two units of four marker drones
or
- Lord
- ten warriors
- three scarab bases
- stalker
That's not even a close call, that's just obvious.
>>46937525
Cant you play that FW dreadnaught-list with those?
Okay, you cant use Orkanaughts really. Just convert them to be a bit taller and use them as Renegade Knights. I wouldnt mind at all.
>>46938682
Eh, I'd be okay with that. The Dark Talon is better for ground attack anyway, especially now that its apparently a bomber, while the Nephelim has always screamed superiority fighter to me.
I mean, it's still overcosted and the fact that it's stuck with HBs is pretty embarrassing, but the missiles and the tl lascannon are very decent.
That said, since it has the Strafing Run usr I assume it will actually be a Attack Craft instead of a fighter. Otherwise that'd be pointless.
How would you convert an Ethereal so he looks like a Maoist/Stalinist alien commissar?
>>46935999
swap the raptors for bikes, the sorcerer cabal joins the bikes for oblative wounds
>>46938747
give him one of the expresionless tau faces
give him a pose with one hand raised like he's beckoning the mass of soldiers forward unto glorious battle.
Have the other arm behind his back to give him a more stalwart military stature
a few ideas off the top of my head.
>>46938747
give Him a Commissar hat and a little red book
>>46936346
I though vultures are dedicated fighters?
>>46937525
You can just call the orksnaught mega/meka dredds
>>46937587
Please start a tau army.
So has any leaks come out? Some digga was moaning about Ork's not being released/leaked.
So, did that happen yet?
Somehow, I suspect forgeworld might be about to see a nice little boost to sales of the Sicaran Battle Tank.
>>46938690
Tau? I'm not him, but I remember the Turret was pretty good for Tau. Crisis Suits are always neat and 8 Marker Drones is pretty cool.
However, you then have to use that Ethereal which is +1BP to the opponent.
Lord can be made pretty sexy with Void Reaper or that +1S melee/range thing.
>>46938960
How so? They're cool tanks, nice rules. Most people here will tell you to order from Capitalist China.
>>46938984
This skyfire thing with fliers. I reckon rather than push people to buy Fighters, it'll push people further toward ground units that can do anti-air decently enough, while still being useful in the rest of the game as well. Sicaran's just one example of that, and is available to BA, CSM, etc. who look to be losing out on the flier front.
>>46938838
Vulture isnt. Thunderbolt and Lighting surely are.
>>46936565
Yeah, let's nerf the Heldrake some more!
Now it's going to be worse at killing other aircraft (after they already made it worse at killing infantry), while remaining the only genuine AA option that CSM have besides bottom-of-the-AA-barrel Flakk missiles!
170 points for a flyer with one gun and no transport capacity was already stretching the limit of usefulness in the runaway meta that 40k has, but this about tears it.Man, those were a good six months back in 2012 between when the CSM and Tau codexes came out.
>>46939027
True. Derado or whatever if its, Dreadnought is great AA.
>>46939027
Sicaran ignore jink, but has no skyfire.
Yes, 6 TL shots are something, but you don't take it for antiair, when you have better options like the Deredeo.
>>46935999
Here's my suggestions:
Drop the sonic blasters since you're clearly kitting these guys for CC and they are in rhinos. So you aren't going to shoot much.
Drop the raptors
Drop one of the sorcs in the cabal
Now take rapier squads for heavy support
Try to fit a void shield generator
Try to fit some spawn
>>46939061
You surely as hell take Sicaran for "It can do anti-air well enough when needed". It can also do so much more and is pretty cheap when you factor in how shooty, fast and durable it is. Deredeo might shoot more effectively on the skies but it pays for the ability and doesnt move as much as the Sicaran.
>>46939080
Deredeo is one of the best pieces in the SM arsenal.
That thing is a beast. The only downside is that you can't put in a Gladius or equivalent. But that's the same problem that the Sicaran has.
There is no really a contest in my opinion. Deredeo is just awesome all around.
I was reading the 30th anniversary white dwarf mag few days ago and it did a run down on all the old armour designs and shit.
It then talked about the newest design, the 'Errant' VIII. It then says something in the 'Did you know?' part of it that goes "The Errant was designed thousands of years ago, but barely anybody has any... I wonder why that could be?"
Why is it? I can't think of any logic other than "Ad Mech are cunts".
>>46939058
Heck, even a mortis if you want to be cheaper on points and cash.
>>46938155
>>46938007
>>46937449
>>46936611
>>46936599
>>46936581
>>46936572
>>46936565
Uhh this is just a supplement right? My flyers aren't randomly getting nerfed for no reason, right?
Right?
>>46939049
I bought 3 Heldrakes when they were actually good
I regret nothing
>>46939174
Yeah it's a supplement
You don't have to play with the rules unless your opponent is a cunt about it
>>46939137
Doesn't the Deredeo get Skyfire + Interceptor if it stays still? Mortis is just configed to send out shit loads of shots, but not accurately?
Either way, it's the only option BA and GK have. They have Storm Raven, which isn't an airsuperiority fighter like the other factions unique ones, they don't have Storm Talon escorts and they don't have any dedicated AA bar Flakk Missiles. So BA rocking a Deredeo is pretty much needed if you want to take down those aircraft.
That still blows my mind. BA are the flying guys, the main flyers in the Imperium, and they only have a Storm Raven (plus the Forge World shit everybody else gets). Grey Knights are just as screwed. I hope both of them get a couple of unique flyers.
>>46939174
Depend.
If you have a lot of them, you are getting a huge buff with the pattern.
If you have only one or two, you are getting nerfed.
I guess you'll have to buy a few more, not a big deal right?
>>46939135
I thought MKVIII was modern armour made in m40? nobody has it cause the admech are too busy building knights and other kits that sell well.
>>46939174
It's supplement. Essentially it'll combine the Death From The Skies rules and the update from Shield of Baal.
Once again, Blood Angels get fucking wrecked.
>+25pts to make a Flyer Ace
>Space Wolves get +1BS as one of the table options
>BA get 180o pivot instead
Fuck sake. I want the +1BS it makes more sense for the BA.
>>46939192
Mortis is the original skyfire dread, basically a BS4 icarus or quad gun on a dread body so long as its still for like 105 or 110 points or something like that. Not great, but way more accessible to anyone who has a dread kit or can just swap the arms out.
>>46939210
180 pivot alongside the new extra 90 degree thing would actually be really useful.
>>46939210
Do you even play this game? Have you ever played a flyer that has Vector dancer? Thats a "only" 90° turn after movement and whole fuck thats a good ability. 180° would be ungodly good.
>>46939279
>Enemy is tau
>Turn 270 degrees and fly away
>>46939279
Knowing the rules, it'll have changed. Pointless anyway as Stormravens aren't anything special and are a huge chunk of points, no need to spend +25 more to get it.
>>46939283
It's great if it was:
1. Guaranteed
2. On something different
That's even if I'm remembering the rule right, which I'm probably not AND it hasn't been changed.
>>46939311
Well thats true. It the table is 2/3 utter garbage then 25pts for that is a bit meh. But Super Vector Dancer on a Fire Raptor is pretty good deal in my mind. You never have to fly off the table if you dont want to and you can always snipe those vehicle backsides and characters hiding in the rear ranks.
>>46938507
>Probably still needs some fine tuning on codex-per-codex basis
Hurrr durrr duurrrrr ima 'nid player, my brains are shit and I only spew the same shit that my hivemates because forming independent thought or even reading is too fucking hard. Plz hive mind save me.
I hope Crud goes into super sayan mode on the next nid codex to ensure they stay as a npc race forever.
>>46939596
>Every flyer currently in Warhammer 40,000
>23 datasheets
Jeez, and i though that is was playing 40k.
But apparently having a FW flier make you part a completely different game.
>>46939596
>23
Aren't they 22?
>>46939647
Forgeworld models are only usable in Apocalypse
>>46939713
No they arent. They are usable in every form of 40k.
>>46937949
You can always start a Renegades and Heretics allied detachment and park them behind it. Plus, they get access to Hydras, which aren't amazing, but are definitely better than our standard Codex options.
Hell Blades are pretty good, though. I'm gonna pick one up in the near future. Is the kit straightforward to assemble?
>>46939049
Don't worry, I'm sure our next codex will have some new Dinobots to solve the problem.
![Relictors+Xiphon+Pattern+Interceptor+1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3SqPsyZ.jpg "Relictors+Xiphon+Pattern+Interceptor+1[1]")
>>46939596
I hope the xiphon interceptor gets updated. It's the sexiest imperial fighter by far, but overcosted.
>>46939596
>>46939647
More importantly, what do you do if two armies have fliers but one doesn't have the book?
I suppose the intelligent answer is to share but suddenly following some new set of rules could throw people off.
And what about forge world fliers that don't have these new stats?
And what about flying monsters? Do fighters get this new fancy dog fight and pursuit phase while monsters just fly up and smack your flier on the ass D3 times as normal?
>>46939842
I hope all FW flyers will get a update and FAST. That supplement will make all their flyers un-usable since they lack those three new stats.
>>46939596
>Sunshark and Razorshak.
You two better get an update.
>>46939049
Heldrake is going to get nerfed even further when we finally get updated. It made CSM good for a couple months, and that's just unacceptable. Baleflamer will probably go up in points, and it'll gain something "fun" and "fluffy" like "must Vector Strike any friendly units it flies over."
>>46935200
You'd be right.
What I think is gonna happen: Fighters will just murder other flyers in dogfighting, combat flyers will stay pretty much the same when it come to firepower and bombers will get better ways to bomb shit to oblivion.
Where are the rules for the Marine formatin with the 3 whirlwinds/vindicators of doom? You know, the one that makes me put my whole army back in the box, go home, and weep salt tears?
>>46940022
Know one's going to use this supplement unless ITC incorporates it, in which case he most powerful fliers will become ubiquitous and the rest will disappear.
>>46940032
Do you mean the bonuses for taking a squadron of three of them?
>3 whirlwinds: pinning and shred
>3 vindicators: can fire a single shot, with ignores cover and apocalyptic blast
>>46940032
Did you try Codex: Adeptes Astartes™: Space Marines?
>>46940059
>>46940065
They are not in the 7th SM codex.
The vindicator formation is called linebreaker. I think it's apoc.
What book are the rules in?
>>46940125
>They are not in the 7th SM codex.
>The vindicator formation is called linebreaker.
You stupid twat.
Anyone got a PDF of Angels of Death and/or Index Astartes Apocrypha yet?
>>46940125
You got me. It's actually inthe Space Marine codex you stupid wanker. I just wanted to test you
>>46940165
> Anon is looking for rules location.
> Other Anon calls him names.
Good work, Internet. You never fail to disappoint.
Can some kind marine expert, please refer me to the location of the formation rules I'm looking for. ?
IG tactics for fighting Renegade Knight if anyone is interested
https://regimental-standard.com/2016/04/27/dont-fear-the-knight/
>>46940179
Okay. So it's not a formation - it's a model special rule.
Thanks Anon. You are a true gentleman and everybody likes you.
>>46937949
>I'm no Iron Warrior.
And that's why you're weak desu
>>46940212
You've been told already. They're squadron bonuses now.
Read. The damn. Codex.
>>46940281
I'd rather be a correct asshole than a retard.
>>46940283
Remember that time when we were about to sacrifice your Primarch to Slaanesh and you were saved by loyalists?
Good times, good times.
>>46940243
>4. Out of grenades? Don’t worry – a swift bayonet to the Knight’s vulnerable ankle joint will bring it crashing down. Whereupon you can deliver the Emperor’s justice to the crippled abomination.
>5. If Step 4 proves ineffective, you’ve failed to properly maintain your bayonet. You now have no choice but to throw yourself into the workings of the Knight’s feet. Together, there is no foe that the mass of humanity cannot overcome. Rest assured you will be remembered as a hero. Survivors of such an assault will be summarily punished for poor bayonet maintenance.
I love these.
>>46936372
Well in any objective game you can just say "This objective and also that one over there are Skyfire nexus', fucking deal with it""Also all your objectives are sabotage"
>>46940321
I still don't get how the eldar thought they were going to smuggle the magic broach out of there. Stupid eldar.
>>46940372
Yeah, Eldar are not very bright.
There is a reason why they are snacks for the Dark Prince.
>>46939938
No, that's not how it works.
It'll get a Chaos-themed new random table.
After choosing your target in the shooting phase, roll a D3:
1-2 fires as a Baleflamer
3-4 fires as a Hades Autocannon
5-6 explodes, destroying the Heldrake and causing any other Chaos unit within 4D6" to explode with it.
>>46940461
Now you're just being silly. The 5-6 result would be that its weapon counts as a powerfist, it works on all vector strikes made in the shooting phase.
>>46940461
HAHAHAHAHA
I'm just picturing what that would look like in real life. A crazy, flaming, aerial, engulfed turkey explodes mid-air for no reason and everything around it, (potentially 24", thats a fuckhuge radius) also explodes for no rhyme or reason.
>>46936146
Lucky for you, this exists.
>>46939049
>>46939833
Guys what if.
WHAT IF
>Forgefiend gets skyfire somehow
>BS5 with that daemon formation
>Split fire on it's 2 cannons because why not
Oh the flier tears would be glorious
>>46940499
>everything
>every Chaos units
FTFY
In my opinion is funnier that way. There are two astartes fighting each other when suddenly one of them explodesstealing it's righteous victory from the hands of the warrior of the Codex Astartes
Abaddon would most likely consider that a victory
>>46937274
>One of the best AA in the game in a world where a flyer supplement is being released.
Pretty good. Lacks a bit of options, being in the place between Ally-tier Codex and Stand-alone Codex. But very fun.
>>46940529
Sadly, that image is a shop.
>>46940529
Unluckily for you, thats a shoop.
>>46940212
>>46940281
They USED to be Apocalypse formations. The ones you're looking for (Line Breaker Squadron, Suppression Force) were in War Zone Damnos, older versions of those formations existed in earlier publications too, but those are the latest.
About half of the actually good Apocalypse formations were made into normal 40k formations, or in this case, made straight-up into squadron bonuses.
>>46940574
>>46940580
Is there something like a photoshop effect to change an image like that?
Because changing it manually would really require too much effort for any sane person
>>46940610
You just move the hue slider.
>>46940533
Crimson Slaughter get several ways of casting Presience, and Black Legion gets a way of making Forgefiends better generally. Since they're actually the same Faction now they can be combo'd to an extent. Still not that good, though.
>>46940610
>>46940624
Also, you can see where they got lazy and just scribbled out the U on the tail.
New thread
>>46940673
New thread
>>46940673
New thread
>>46940673
>>46939174
Remember when Escalation was "just a supplement" and "super-heavies in my 40k?" Apocalypse only? It's a bit like that.
Honestly, GW, just fucking AoS this shit already so I can ignore it and keep the models I have and play older editions with people that prefer older editions.
>>46940533
>don't take flyers against CSM
>his forgefiend formation is stuck with snap firing at ground targets
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