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>Rules databases
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https://kat.cr/warhammer-40k-pdf-library-t9575373.html
>FAQs
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Rules-Errata
>40k 7th edition quick reference sheet(s)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4104995/Games/7edRef_V7.pdf
>Forgeworld Book index
http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Forge_World_and_Apocalypse_Rules_Index
>White Dwarves
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/tx4hcy4u487pv/WD'
>BS 2
>>46920521
>BS 2
>I 2
>any good at anything
Tell me about your warlord or your favorite character in your army 40k General.
What's their name? What's their story? What have they done on the tabletop?
The Iron Knights are an Imperial Fists successor.
The below isn't 100% confirmed
>Wazbom Blastajet
165pts, TL kustom mega-kannon, TL supa shoota, smasha gun, stickbomb flinga (3++ against missiles). Strafing Run.
Can replace the TL kmk for a TL tellyporta megablasta (12" S8 AP2 Heavy1 Large Blast, ID on a 6 to wound) for +15pts. Can replace the stickbombs with a KFF for +30pts.
>Stormhawk
150pts, icarus stormcannon (S7 AP4 Heavy3; no skyfire or interceptor), TL assault cannon, TL heavy bolter, armored ceramite. Supersonic, Agile. AV 12/11/11
Can replace the icarus with a las-talon (Heavy2 lascannon) for +25, can replace the TL heavy bolters with a typhoon for +20pts, a skyhammer for +5pts or TL lascannons for +15pts.
>also save best general image for later
Anyone have the coven PDF? It would be appreciated
>>46920566
>>46920554
>Ld7
>6+
>6ppm
phew m8s
>>46920540
Indeed they are
>>46920571
Stop shilling your image.
The guys hwo bitch when you make the OP are wrong, but this is blatant shilling. Knock it off.
>Space Marines have literally everything and tons of unit options
>Getting a new flyer
>>46920618
Only the best for the emperor's finest.
>>46920618
>Blood Angels used to be known for their air power
>Stormraven.
How well do the various start collecting box formations stack up in play against each other? Could you buy, say, Orks and Skitarii as gifts and people could play then against each other with fairly even results?
>implying the emperor was smart
>implying humans arent retards
>Tau made better tech in a fraction of the time and a millionth the population humans have
>>46920600
Just enjoy the fact that removing the chicken and tau face triggers the one anon so hard he made nearly 100 posts.
>>46920669
>>Tau made better tech in a fraction of the time and a millionth the population humans have
All that better sure did help the tau stop the ad mech from setting fire to tau space
>>46920677
You're both equally retarded.
>>46920600
It's my image, and I ain't the one posting it, I moved onto the facefree version.
>>46920669
Tau are on what amounts to a technological dead end. The use of AI and computers to assist them in designing machinery is a phase most successful civilizations pass through and then abandon, as it leaves then completely open to the influence of Nurgle. The Tau are in fact doomed, they just are too young to know it.
>>46920677
>>46920571
Can someone explain me the Proof Chicken?
I've been away for a while.
>>46920571
>Ork flier
I like that if it has the tellyporta and KFF, it must fire from 6-12", as otherwise it gives the unit it's shooting at an invulnerable save AGAINST ITS OWN SHOOTING.
Whats the worse army, orks or sisters?
>>46920714
The one which is just the warhammer logo and text?
That one is actually rather good, far better than your other edit.
>>46920765
Orks by far.
Sisters isn't a bad army, just expensive and doesn't get enough support.
>>46920571
>ork flier has a mess of different weapons and gear with different target parameters and range bands, not to mention no clear job
>marine aircraft is an excellent superiority fighter and medium vehicle hunter with comparable wepons
> the marine craft is cheaper and better armored
Orks, ladies and gentlemen.
>>46920769
IDD
I'm not an artist, I just do edits with what's available.
>>46920745
it's a /pol/ meme that a certain namefag here detests. Apparently in russia calling someone chicken is equivalent to cunt/fag in the west, a /pol/ thread badmouthing putin apparently got raided by ruskies demanding proof of their claims in broken english and posting images of chickens, hence proof chicken.
>>46920745
It came about when russian totally didnt invade ukraine
>>46920765
Sisters are a pretty decent army despite being woefully out-of-date and barely supported at all.
Orks are overcosted *and* have shit rules.
There is way too much cross contamination with /pol/
>>46920802
Thank you for the explanation, but what it has to do with us?
>>46920850
Carnac, the namefag in question (he posts anonymously but has a very distinctive style) enjoys derailing threads by posting largely out-of-context excerpts from BL/Codex fluff and making extremely bold claims about how if proves X faction is shit or Y faction is better than Z faction or whatever. A few months back, a couple of anons trolled him out of the thread by posting Proofs Chicken images until he threw a tantrum and left in a huff.
Anyone got the chairman's current?
I lost it, and I'd like to get back into 40k
>>46920761
Boy, it's sure great that we can reduce template deviation by subtracting the BS, right?
>BS2
>>46920874
I see.
Now i get it, thank you.
>>46920879
You can find the old one easily through minimal searching, and I'm told he's still responding to messages sent to the old, with the new for some people. Some say they've had no response in weeks though
>>46920893
Well, you do have Strafing Run, so BS3. For what little it helps.
>>46920761
lol wut, I play orks but doesn't the KFF only apply to allied units? That's so stupid if it doesn't.
>>46921038
I DON'T play orks
When do bloodmaws paint there mouths red? Is it a right of passage? I need to know before I paint them all.
To the anon that wanted a 500 admech/skitarii list, a decent choice is a maxed out Dominus maniple, give the Dominus the IWND artifact and keep the Onager near the Dominus so you can heal any boo boos.
>>46920805
Giving rebels a shitload of weapons and professional support staff isn't an invasion. Hell, you can give them mass air support and it still doesn't count.
NATO taught me that.
>>46921038
>>46920761
I would assume the KFF counts as the pilot having it, so that it only counts as a 5+ for the vehicle itself.
I dunno though, RAW gonna RAW, RAI gonna RAI
>>46920765
Sisters can actually compete with even highly optimized mid tier armies.
>>46921099
this is true.when you turn up with troops on the other hand...
>>46921123
>>46921038
>Orks shooting is SO BAD it GIVES the enemy an invulnerable save.
You can't make this shit up!
>>46920571
>stickbomb flinga (3++ against missiles
Shouldn't it be a 5++?
since you're basically shooting down the missile with another weapon and you have bs2.
>>46921123
>I would assume the KFF counts as the pilot having it
You would assume wrong. You don't buy upgrades for the pilot, you buy upgrades for the vehicle. There's absolutely no RAW/RAI clash - the vehicle is the bearer, you cannot embark one vehicle into another, so the bubble extends 6". It's exactly as if you gave a Morkanaut a KFF.
Besides, holy hell, Orks are shit enough as it is right now. Stop trying to weasel them out of something that might, possibly, be plausibly useful.
>>46921176
no, you are flinging a cloud of grenades to explode the missiles. its an orky chaff launcher
>>46921131
>professional support staff
I mentioned it.
>>46921123
The model has the KFF (the embark effect only affects transports), so it is a spread effect, same with the Morkanaut. So, yes, the wazbom might very well give the enemy an invuln against its own shooting.
>>46921198
5++ with a reroll then.
>>46921267
>trying to make orks more shitty
Hi satan
Making a new GK army, would any one be able to give some pointers?
I want to play them shock and awe style. My idea was a psyker Lv3 Librarian with Domina for more powers/better chance to get Gate of Infinity, equipped with a teleport homer, place him in a squad of Paladins with an Apothecary for living
Gate in, deep strike 2-3 GK Termies
And meanwhile have a Knight Crusader to provide cover fire/AA
Ideas or thoughts?
>>46921222
That's actually kinda silly and fun. Really appropriate for orks.
It's a shame that they suck so bad right now so that people will be mad anything being suboptimal instead of appreciating it.
>>46920893
Funny thing is Blast weapons actually improve Orks chance of hitting.
BS2 has a 33% chance of hitting with a non blast.
BS2 has a 36% chance of hitting with a blast. (Scatter dice have a 1/3 for direct hit and a 1/36 to scatter 2", reduced to zero.)
>>46920791
>muh new ceo
>muh facebook faq's
>muh starter boxes
>muh blind faith
Nothing is changing. Same old shit tier game with platinum tier models. But CAD and $30k/year salaries isnt attracting talent.
>>46921123
Can someone explain how it's giving the enemy a invul save? The way I'm reading it it only works if they are within 6" of the flyer.
>>46921325
>you should appreciate being garbage. You exist to entertain your opponents because you picked the npc faction
Having fluffy rules is all well and good but youre supposed to fix fix the trainwreck before you draw smiley faces on it
>>46921375
The gun has a 12 inch range the anon was laughing how the flyer needs to be 6-12 to use the gun without giving enemies an invuln against its own shooting
>>46921375
one of the guns that have not had stats relased maybe has a short range.
>>46921355
>> new ceo
>> facebppl faq's
>> new starter boxes
>> blind faith
One of these is not like the other.
>>46921375
That's it chief.
If the flyer with KFF is shooting at something 6" or closer to it will give them a 5++
Hey /tg/,
I posted before asking what sort of Inquisitor I should roll with in my sister blob. Inquisitors in general are fairly restricted to powers, only being able to roll on Pyromancy, Telekinesis, Divination and a shitty version of the Sanctic table.
In the past I just used Coteaz. His rules complimented the unit rather well:
>I've Been Expecting You - This rule works really well in a large unit of ~20 BS4 Bolters. Crisis suits and MEQs simply are unable to deep-strike anywhere within 12" of coteaz without being blown apart immediately.
>Psyker Mastery level 2 - If I plan on rolling divination it works well, giving the unit Prescience, 4++ saves, rending against a single target or Counter-attack and overwatch at full BS. The other 3 powers are useless.
>Psych-out grenades - Reduce the Initiative of Daemons and Psykers to 1 in the first round of combat.
I want to change him out for a psychic grenade-spamming Ordo Xenos Inquisitor with the following:
>Hammerhand - WC1 to upgrade the sisters to S4 in melee. Not as good as GK Hammerhand though.
>Rad grenades - decrease targets toughness by 1 in the first round of combat.
>Psychotroke grenades - roll on a D6 table to determine effects. Similar to 6e hallucination.
>Psych-out grenades - See Coteaz.
Thoughts?
>>46921325
I honestly don't know how to feel about the Wazbom Blastajet.
On the one hand, having what is basicaly a ground attack craft that can't actually fly over an enemy without giving them an invuln, is pretty damn orky and quite funny in its stupidity.
On the other hand, orks hardly need any help sucking *more* right now.
>>46921277
5++ with a reroll is very very close to a 3++.
>>46920571
Fuck off Carnac.
There is literally nothing wrong with proofchicken. The absolute only person who has a problem with it, is you.
>>46921403
Check the FAQ for inquisition. They now roll on tables and dont have their own powers anymore.
Is it 40kosher to have my squads all painted different colors?
>>46921434
You mean 4++
>hades fiend
>bad
I've always dismissed it because of AV12 and BS3, but the more I think about it, the more I'm thinking it's underrated
>high volume of shots can reliably fuck AV10-12 and even averages a few hull points from AV13 even with BS3
>can reroll pins/wounds once per game
>alright against light infantry too, and has pinning
damage output is good at range
>5++
>IWND
>ignores crew shaken/stunned on 2+
it's got some defenses that make it better than a dread for sure. if this thing was just AV13 it would be pretty damn solid, thinking about fielding one anyway and just having a bunch of rhinos etc rushing forward so that it's a lesser priority. besides AV12 why shouldn't I take a hades fiend?
>>46921451
If youre 12 years old its totally fine.
>>46921451
Depends what army you are playing. CMS or Orks? Absolutely, mercs are common.
Space Marines? Not so much, chapters rarely work together so closely they could be considered the same detatchment.
>>46921437
I don't think I've ever been called carnac before, not sure how to feel about that
But I prefer the unified scheme to that image. All the parts are drawn, no random tau face thrown in. Removal of the chicken gives the image more of an official feel.
>>46920736
>The Tau are in fact doomed
That's the cool part about them.
It's why I have like half my models being drones in any given list. If a unit can have drones, it gets drones.
Makes it a lot more interesting as an "The drones rebel, and are literally everywhere around you, including your leader - and they are the only ones there to protect him, too. Enjoy." kind of scenario.
It is also why I wish the bigger suits had the option of some kind of self-detonating drones on death. Would both give them an actual weakness (think of Shielded Missile drones blowing up in a S7 AP2 blast that doesn't scatter) in that sniping them out would also heavily damage the riptide, and it would give us an additional layer of "If these drones go rogue, we're not just fucked, we are getting raped so hard that it would make a Dark Eldar Archon blush."
>>46921378
>youre supposed to fix fix the trainwreck before you draw smiley faces on it
that's literally what I just said.
>It's a shame that they suck so bad right now so that people will be mad anything being suboptimal instead of appreciating it.
It's a great bit of flavor but seasoning a turd will just make people mad no mater how nice the spice is.
>>46921437
I think the image would be better without your meme chicken, sorry m8
>>46921462
Check the cost too. That is what makes Forgefiend bad.
>>46921496
cost is what makes anything bad
it's 175 points. if it was AV13 that would be reasonable
>>46921462
If you have the models, try the new Black Legion formation with Warpsmith and two fiends. One gets to shoot at BS4 and both get preferred enemy against a single character.
Hades becomes stupid good when it can actually hit with most of the stuff.
>>46921493
The way you wrote it makes you seem snobby about people not enjoying what GW is doing to the orks
>>46921462
A BS 3, 175 point, AV 12, 3 HP walker with two gun arms is undercosted.
Have you looked at any other codex besides the CSM book? Because I have some bad news for you anon. What you get for 175 points is very, very bad. Ad in unplayable tier. Hope you like exclusively playing fun/casual games, and still getting monkeystomped.
>>46921481
Are you autist
>>46921183
>you cannot embark one vehicle into another
Not if you are a filthy Gue'la you can't.
>>46921459
It's also close to a 4++, being between them.
>>46920571
>>46920761
>>46920791
Don´t loose hope yet. We still don´t have information about the new "dogfight phase" and the new flyer stat lines and types.
How does one get into 40k these days?
>>46921550
Depends. What armies are you interested in?
>>46921451
Is there some internal theme to it or are they all obviously ebay squads painted by different people at different skill levels?
>>46921524
if it was AV13 it would be bad compared to tau and eldar like everything else. it would be reasonable compared to SM, DE, ork, sisters, and IG vehicles
>>46921550
By playing tabletop simulator.
unless you wanted to get into the hobby for the, you know, hobby aspect of it. Painting, kitbashing, etc
>>46921558
Tau
>>46921524
>undercosted
nobody said that
>>46921519
Well, that wasn't my intent and I'm sorry. Y'all deserve better.
We top gun now.
>>46921514
Warpsmith is BS5, so even better
>>46921572
175 point Forgefiend equal to SM and IG units? Maybe the worst units in the book.
Take a look at the Leman Russ. Cheaper, tougher, more options, many with better options. And that AV 14 is huge. Oh and you can protect your weapons against vehicle damage table. FF cannot. SM just have superior options across the board. You wont find a 175 point unit that sucks that bad in any other book except perhaps BA Termies (200 points) and Ork trash.
>>46921589
Oh he said underrated. Thanks for clearing that up, Semantico.
>>46921572
>if it was AV13 it would be bad compared to tau and eldar like everything else.
Or not care, because the marine faggots are spamming Grav everywhere, which don't give a shit about your AV.
AV is shit because Melta and other high strength weapons got better, and Grav got so common and is so fucking powerful, that you little reason to take anything else. Bolters will deal with 5+ save infantry well enough, and the grav will fuck literally anything else in the game.
Having AV13 would make it better in melee, and grant it protection against plasma pens, and that's really it.
>>46921625
I'm glad I've been running two icarus onagers for months now. no one can call me a cheesemonger/list tailorer when two aircraft show up in every game now.
>>46921528
Probably not, but considering how much it bothers you... you might wanna get that checked out anon.
>>46921676
If you're not running fliers or anti-air in 7th edition, you're just an idiot.
>>46921687
Yea you autist
>>46921665
>every army in the game takes grav
>>46921665
Not exactly. AV is bad primarily because of the vehicle damage table.
The widespread use of MC's and their advantageous rules have made AV look even worse.
>>46921430
>can't actually fly over an enemy without giving them an invuln
Don't buy the KFF.
>>46921665
>plasma
Who the fuck even uses Plasma anymore, outside of Tau and IG? And Tau plasma is shit because lolS6 at the same price as everyone else, with the shitty "but no gets hot" which is such a hilariously bad trade that it almost becomes Ork levels of dumb.
Speaking strictly from a "competetive" army point of view, which obviously excludes the borderline joke armies.
>>46921581
The start collecting set is a good place to start, it's one of the best values out of all the start collecting sets. And if you have any non-GW FLGS you can get it for even less. My FLGS sells it for 69$ for instance, which is around the avergae discount you can get from store
>>46921690
I dont run flyers or anti-air in my Daemonic Incursion list. When everything is shrouded, or in combat - your opponents air units are just a waste of points.
>>46921725
I use the Assault 3 plasma guns in my Dominus Maniple Vanguard squad. Because you can re-roll shots against a single target every turn.
>>46921725
The people that get the guns for free with ignores gets hot.
>>46921748
Well I mean that's anti-air. You still have a plan to deal with flyers.
You're just not blowing them up is all.
>>46921741
Thanks anon, I'm betting there will be a hefty Canada/Vancouver tax but I'll take a look round.
>>46921759
Also this, war convo cunts take ALL the plasma with the 2 shot blast plasma on the destroyers
>>46921690
I hardly see aircraft at all in the local meta. Plenty of skimmers to use sky fire shots on.
On fact, havn't played against an actual flyer once since I unquit 40k.
>>46921702
Funny, people usually say that cover is pointless because Tau can ignore cover, as if that was all anyone played.
Marines are actually played by like 70% of all players, and they all have easy access to grav. The only protection from Grav is having an idiot opponent who still doesn't get how OP Grav is.
>>46921715
Grav fucks MCs even harder than vehicles, so I don't get what point you are trying to make by bringing in MCs. At least you wont super-own a vehicle with Grav, and has a chance to whiff your dice. Anything with a 3+ save or better is auto-removed if any of the many Grav wielding units as much as look at it funny.
I still firmly believe GW made the new Tau GC armour a 3+ save, just to stop it from being removed by literally any marine with a grav gun.
>>46921750
>>46921759
Fair enough, hadn't thought of the Mechanicus shenanigans. Haven't had much experience with them, since no one in my area has collected an actual army of them yet.
>>46921782
I take one squad grav one squad plasma.
>>46921787
It might just be me then, almost everyone around here brings at least one flyer to the game if their army at all can do it.
>>46921699
Oh you're that anon who's absolutely enraged by the removal of the chicken.
So I will endeavor to post the chickenless image for the next general, only because it triggers you.
>>46921811
They are maximum shenanigans anon, my Cohort Cybernetica is literally unkillable with T7 a 3+ 4+++ and IWND. Also rumour is they will be getting 30k mechanicum vehicles with some of the more ridiculous rules taken out in the next IA.
>>46921839
Yea you definetly autist
>>46921839
Can we just get rid of the chicken but put back the tau head? that seems like a fair compromise
Is the addition of the new flyer rules a subtle buff to orks?
Dont they have really good planes?
>>46921879
>Orks
>Anything good
Come on m8.
>>46921853
>Also rumour is they will be getting 30k mechanicum vehicles
Hey, is a dedicated transport a "weapons or wargear" option?the answer is yes
>>46921748
I run two flying monsters in every list but my nurgle and slaanesh list and my soul grinder has skyfire.
That said, the grinder is pretty shitty at shooting down flyers and it forces me not to use the phlegm.
>>46921879
Unlikely, since they will be revisiting ALL fliers because of the new stat line introduced.
So watch and weep as your beloved fliers are mauled and gutted and left out to dry, while the Muhreens will get new shiny shit, and see their flying bricks become more agile than an Eldar Jetbike.
>>46921462
Make it a monstrous creature (and really, look at it. If the Riptide is one, that should definitely be one too) and it's a deal.
>>46921462
It's not that the FF is bad. It's just 50 pts too expensive.
>>46921917
>Hey, is a dedicated transport a "weapons or wargear" option?
The answer is 'No'. All the options on the Triaros would be free, thou.
>>46921794
non-wraith eldar don't care as much about grav due to having a lot of cover saves and low toughness typically meaning that it's an s3 or s4 gun. The ap2 aspect is a thing, but again, cover saves.
That and dark reapers actually being a good marine counter. since they're really good against marines and then still good against most other things.
>>46921625
So it basically gives all aircraft a little sub-arena to shoot each other before coming on the board?
I like it. This makes flyer vs. flyer stuff more intricate than whoever shows up second wins.
>>46921916
The lukky stick is like the best wargear you can get
>>46921970
What
>>46922016
The ForgeFiend. It's overcosted. You know, the big dinobot with a plasma gun for a face?
>>46922030
I know but isn't the relationship between points cost and power the determination for whether a unit is good. If it's over costed then it's bad right?
>>46922009
Lucky stick + mega amor warboss + finkin cap = a very killy warboss that has a chance to give a bunch of units outflank.
>>46922004
>just finished painting my Crimson Hunter
yes.
>>46922060
You cant have more than one Ork relic, also the warboss has no invulnerable save and is only T5.
>>46921987
Yes, but again
>Eldar
I mean, sure, Marines have the tools to at least compete with them, but any Eldar player hellbent on fucking over a Marine player WILL succeed. You can make mid-tier lists with Eldar, and you can make "WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED TO MY ARMY?!" tier lists, where your opponent would be better off just not playing, because he'll be removing everything by turn 2 anyway.
>>46922050
short answer: Yes
Long answer: the overall statline on a thing can make it have a given use or feel, which in and of itself can be good or bad. The point cost then determines how easy it is to include that thing, but a stateline can be so worthless or niche that it can only be good if cost so low some other part of the stat feels off for the points.
An example would be the Howling Banshees. With the last cost drop, and buff, they aren't undercost, but what they are supposed to do is a very niche thing that rarely finds use outside of zone mortalis.
>>46922088
>no invuln
>S&P
Its doubly depressing that terminators are trashcan tier in space marine codexes but are one of the best units for the orks
>>46922105
True, but I'm playing aspectdar with no warpspiders, so I am playing mid-tier. It's just that grav isn't the thing that marines bring that is at all scary to me. Scoprions and reapers are good but not OP units.
The only time I'm removing whole armies turn 3 is if the dice gods decided to be funny or I'm playing against a list so bad I refuse to play down to it (CSM with footslogging 20 man marine blobs, and 40 man culitist blobs, all with MoT).
I haven't played against the skyhammer shit yet, and that scares the crap out of me.
>>46922156
S&P can make some silly things like moving Mek Guns with a T7 Warboss/Big Mek with 2+ w/ Stikk tanking
Granted it's not the best.
>>46921123
No, the pilot is not a separate unit, the flier as a whole can take a KFF, the pilot isn't counted as "embarked"
Why is everything GW do a disappointment?
>>46921434
Then there should be no problem leaving it 3++
>>46922217
This whole discussion reminded me. FAQ is due on Friday right?
Ork codex errata to fix stupid KFF?
>>46922202
But again, Eldar can hard-counter literally anything in the game, especially if you know what the opponent is bringing.
Of course, that requires a sort of sort that literally has a collection big enough to field whatever the fuck he wants, in any kind of quantity, which is ridiculously unlikely.
The fact that you can take "subpar" units and use that to destroy the kind of army that would otherwise roflstomp anything else is kinda funny, though.
>>46922156
eehhh, I actually think that maybe meganobs are better. 5++ will never reliably save your 35 point model and it's easy as fuck to get a 5+++ cover with some grots or something in the way so it's better to have two wounds against things like plasma or the millions of rending weapons.
They also get an extra attack and furious charge so are better are blending weaker units/vehicles.
Meganobs are still pretty crappy in the grand scheme of things but they're better than terminators. Tactical terminators that is, assault terminators with shields, hammers and lightning claws are better.
>>46922261
>better at blending weaker units
>Cant sweeping advance
Better at being tarpitted you mean.
The extra wound is probably more pertinent than the +1 str/attack too
>>46921860
>called me autist three times
>sure showed me.jpg
Might wanna look up the word anon, I'd hate for you to be living a lie.
>>46921866
That got me thinking, we don't have an image which is a crop of heads from the different factions. The tau head is, but one that's fully cut and paste from actual models might be nice.
>>46922273
Neither unit is allowed to sweep so it's a moot point.
>>46922279
No you autist
>>46922291
>terminators not allowed to sweep
Really? is it a specific rule of terminator armour? News to me.
>>46921625
oh good, that will be fantastic. my ork flyer formation with the 5 jet requirement will surely pay off now when my bomber who WOULD get to rearm and refuel off the board is instead ass raped by a hellturkey off the board, or any other number of jets.
>>46922273
what unit tarpits 5 MANZ? I feel like not much could eat that many attacks at that high strength but im probably blanking on some
>>46922279
You're both idiots.
>>46922327
Slow & Purposeful.
>>46922353
Termies dont have slow and purposeful unless its cataphractii
They just get relentless for free
>>46921782
if your war convo opponent is using 2 squads of plasma instead of grav against you, you should be thanking your lucky stars. he has made a bad choice.
>>46922327
Yep
>... models in terminator armour have the bulky, deep strike and relentless special rule and may not make sweeping advances
They're better at blending tarpits because they have 1 more attack per model and each model has 2 wound in case you happen to roll a one so you don't lose a guy to some guardsman slapping you.
>>46921879
hahahhahahahhahaha
>>46922362
>>46922327
From 7th ed marine dex
>>46922337
A few factions have the ability to bring massive blobs of fearless/zealot units. Chaos plague zombies, guard infantry blobs with a priest/commissar etc
>>46922337
Assuming they hit on 3+'s theyre still going to lose slightly less than half their attacks so what, 12-14 hits, 2~ will fail to wound statistically so any unit with more than that. Its not like theyll see combat again since they were lucky their trukk/wagon got them into combat in the first place and it sure as shit isnt surviving the next turn
>>46921450
Do you have a link?
There's nothing on the official FAQ page for inquisition. Pic-related is what the eBook codex is giving me.
>>46920745
Just /r9k/ and /pol/ continually encroaching on /tg/ no worries and nothing to see
If you destroy a unit with shooting can you still assault a different unit?
>>46922337
thunder hammer terminators
wraiths
30 fearless grots or boyz
guardsmen power blob
wraithknight with sword and board
squadron of contemptors/ironclads
there not unstoppable.
>>46922279
You're both faggots.
He's overreacting way to much over the lack of a chicken in a imagem which is stupid.
You're triggered by the mere existence of said chicken, because for some reason a meme in a meme image is "unprofessional", because professional is the first thing you associate with toy soldier discussion on a kenyan trumpet playing chat room.
Both of you need to shut up. For months now the generals used both a version with the chicken and without and nobidy gave a damn. Then you come in here and make a big deal about it and people react.
In short, both of you are putting way to much stock in an image on the internet, and need to stop posting for a real long time, go outside and rethink your entire life.
>>46922479
No.
>>46922479
no
unless it was a transport, then you can assault the unit that pops out.
>>46922260
Except I'm not taking them to hard-counter. I have a pretty standard list, and most events I go to are all comers.
It's just the things that grav fucks over, high toughness, high AV, etc, aren't an aspect warrior thing. While I'll be among the first to admit the eldar codex has some BS, it's possible to take a decent number of fair lists with it.
To put it another way, Dark Eldar wouldn't care about grav either. It's not just a matter of power.
>>46922448
my wagons are rarely focused after they drop their contents simply because they do nothing unless they have a killkannon or as a mobile wall
>>46922412
>>46922481
Hmm this must be the effect of only ever facing Chaos and IG players, you forget all the good stuff
>>46922488
>>46922489
Thanks, the transport was actually my followup question
>>46922510
Its not like the MANZ who are likely within 6" cant run back and move 18"(Or are wagons fast vehicles?)
>>46922481
only one of those things is a tarpit.
>>46922257
All it has to do is the sensical thing of making their forcefield only work for units from your codex.
>>46921437
Lol I'll call anyone who disagrees with me Carnac! That'll show 'em!
>>46922534
right im not arguing that they would anyway, usually they're in an enemy gunline so mine usually get to a couple units every game. Then get gunned down by Vendetta Lascannons
>>46922541
>Chill in AoS general while reading the new "Path to Heaven" HH novel
>Decide to drop by the 40K general to check out what's going on
>mfw this thread
Even after all this time you guys tremble and panic from my shadow. HA! Pathetic.
Seriously, though, you guys argue about the silliest of things. Grow up.
This is why I no longer visit these threads regularly. Too much dumb drama and shitposting.
>>46920535
>What's their name?
Adrellas
>What's their story?
He is acting Chapter Master as my original one was near-fatally wounded and entombed in a Dreadnaught. At first Adrellas was just a chaplin because he inspired his battle bros and was an up and coming warrior in his nomadic clan before their planet was brought under compliance. However when they were chasing down a fallen (what later became my inner circle) Adrellas and his Librarian buddy, Daentos, cornered him and Adrellas wrecked him in a duel and left him vulnerable to Daentos Mind Worm. After they got him to confess and reported back to the DA inner circle Adrellas was promoted to Interegator Chaplin. Later on when my Successor was founded him and most of the DA that were recruited from his home world were transferred to the new chapter and all told to go home and keep watch of their new found chapter's recruiting.Caliban 2.0
>What have they done on the tabletop?
He beat a Bloodthirster in a duel (after it did get pretty well shot in overwatch) and a Daemon Prince. Also smashed Orikan and a few other HQs. My whole shtick with him is that I won't refuse a challenge if they already took out the champion from my squad.mfw im the only response this late but my whole shop fluffs all their warlords.
>>46922658
No one misses you, your name is an insult. Stay in AoS you cunt.
>>46922658
>AoS General
>>46922703
You invited me here. I ain't going nowhere. Make room.
How can I covert a chapter master with light claw /power fist on a bike without it looking super dumb
>>46922658
>AoS
>>46922754
>implying I am the retard that summoned you
>implying we have room for even more autism, especially such a heeping dose.
>>46922779
>How can I covert a chapter master with light claw /power fist on a bike without it looking super dumb
Not sure how a Chapter Master can do it but my Chaplin lets his faith take the handlebars.
>>46922785
Regardless, I am here. Now deal with it.
Been a while since I checked on 40K. Anything new?
>>46922835
Yes, the Tau have been wiped out forever, and the entire customer base of GW has collectively rejoiced at their passing.
>>46922835
>Anything new?
New Ork and SM fliers, new rules for fliers coming soon (le dogfight phase), rumours of 8th edition in September (baseless), new Marine only psychic powers, and the Knight v Knight game.
Probably missed some, depends how far back you need to go.
>>46922810
Do you also trust faith to guide your paintbrush?
>>46922536
I was defining tar pit by anything that could potentially tie up meganobz for more than 2 turns. I have had my meganobz stopped by all these, and I forgot a full unit of space nuns, with preachers letting them get invuns and rerolls on those too.
>>46920677
Shit, must've missed that. Good job on removing the Tau, too.
>>46922847
I doubt it.
I hear the new FW IA book will be SM&Admech vs Tau. You hyped?
>>46922088
Ah my mistake but you could still have 2 warbosses each with one relic right? WB is not that much points anyway
>>46922261
>>46922337
While space marine termys may be technically better, MANZ are still pretty good. I mean the only other thing we have is mek guns and tank bustas
>>46922868
>Do you also trust faith to guide your paintbrush?
My painting needs much more help than faithor even the emperorcould provide.
I have almost all 2500 points painted now, even if it isn't the best, its my best and I am playing painted.that is also an old wip pic before washes, base and tires painted.
>>46922864
Then I haven't missed much.
Thanks.
>>46922882
Aren't Warbikers pretty decent?
>>46922935
Compared to other things in the ork codex, sure. I would still put them under MANZ and Mek Guns.
>>46922935
Personally I think they're on of, if not the best, Ork units. However if Wazdakka still existed they would definitely be the best as they could be troops choices again
>>46922965
>Bikers as ObSec
If only.
>>46922980
I just want to be able to free up FA slots, I hate how crowded the HS and FA options are for Orks
>>46921462
>reminder that this is a walker and Stormsurges are Gargantuan Creatures
Seriously, what the fuck.
Chicken is shit. Remove it please, it has jack shit to do with 40k, it's not funny.
>>46922891
Good for you. At least you have a painted army, which is more than a lot of people can say
>>46923008
>carnac is bad
>someone complains about chicken
All the children that complain about anything in the OP Image are the worst. I feel bad for wasting a post saying what everyone else thinks but the past week or so has been multiple instances of bitch fits caused by the damn memeimage.
>>46923008
I like that chicken, fuck off.
>>46923046
Let them.
It's funny as hell.
Would Ass Cents be good against superheavies such as Knights, Wraithknights and Stramsurges?
>>46920535
I'd fluff mine, but I can't really have any...There aren't many Tyranids that don't get recycled...
>>46922779
I'm currently converting an Attack Bike with my Captain riding in the sidecar.
>>46923060
Remove Chiken
>>46923068
Im more curious as to why you think they would be good
>>46923060
You seem to be in the minority go over to /pol/ and have a nice chuckle about it over there. If you're gonna be memeing everywhere, at least keep it board relevant.
>>46923068
Maybe against knights or stormsurges, but Wraithknights will murder them before they swing. That's assuming you get them in CC at all though
>>46923068
Biggest problem they have is 1A for 55pts... better off shooting them or using some Hammer Shield Terminators
>>46923084Berniebro spotted
>>46923083
S10 ap2 spam at initiative for 10 points less than a Terminator squad.
Can fit in a Land Trader too.
I have an idea.
How about all you people that want to argue about the chicken create your own thread to talk about it?
I'm sure most people here couldn't care less if the chicken is there or not, so if you just go awayread as "fuck off"we can get back to talk about Warhammerread as "complaining about CSM, Eldar, Tau and Orks"
>>46923107
Wrong, undoubtedly like your larger worldview and probably personal life, as well. That chikn sure is funny tho
>>46923110
Assuming they make it into melee(and get the charge) you might make back your point cost but its a hell of a gamble on a really expensive unit
>>46923129
No, brother.
We must sit down here and discuss it like a community.
>>46923208
Damn I could have done my Tech Marine like that and had some tube/tentacles grab the steering wheel while he had the joystick in his hand....
>>46923129
I want to complain about Harleyquinns.
>>46923234
Halrequinns are eldar too
>>46923234
Let's do that then
What the fuck do they even do
>>46923129
Everyone always forgets blood angels, I just want a minor update, why must our scouts suck, just throw us a cost decrease if they must suck.
>>46923282
Apparently they really fucking love crappy heavy support gunboats.
>>46923293
Because you don't complain enough. Start claiming every thread that GW hates you, that the Space Wolves have stolen what was rightfully yours from the beginning of time, that Sanguinius is best and strongest primarch so your SM should be S/T5 and people will finally noticeand despiseyou
>>46923282
They play the game of being almost unplayable because of a retarded FoC. Who the hell thought that no HQ was a good idea?
>>46923293
>A Juvenile Equestrian.
Even space marines want a pony for Emperormas.
>>46920535
My Tireless Hunter Piranha pilot is Shas'ui Uan'Voss Piraya. He basically always manages to do something useful, even if it's just drawing fire.
Last battle, he was parked in front of a Chaos Land Raider turn 1, he managed to avoid three witchfires by jinking, and fortunately the Land Raider popped smoke instead of firing the lascannons at him.
So bottom of turn 1, he's jinking from the psykers, fires his one fusion blaster shot, and manages to explode the Land Raider. Then his drones kill 3 Chaos Space Marines. He almost managed to kill one of the 4 sorcerers in overwatch but Kharn LOS'd the wound and saved, then wrecked him.
>>46923208
GW is too stupid to release this kit and cash in on the fact that everyone and their mother would buy it.
>>46923084
>If you're gonna be memeing everywhere, at least keep it board relevant.
>implying cross board memeing isn't a thing.
>>46923293
If the FAQ gives Blood Angels Dreads 4 attacks base, I'll strongly consider making a dread detachment from them.
Lack of Assault Marine troops is super shitty from a list building perspective though, removes so much flavour.
>>46920600
is this "ITC Schill guy" He's my favorite.
>>46923345
Remember when they dropped DC to WS4. What the fuck kinda melee space marine can't beat a space marine.
>>46923197
190 (165?) points isnt that bad is it? Maybe my perspective is skewed due to being a CSM player.
Id kill for a unit that good.
>>46923405
Oh god please dont rile that retard up. Pretty sure he opens the '40kgen' and immediately control+f's stuff that he can bitch about.
>>46923293
Best way to fix blood angels:
Folded into vanilla book
Chapter tactics gives Furious Charge, and Heavy Flamer tacticals. Also let's you buy Fast for vehicles and and a Death company upgrade for certain veterens and Dreadnoughts to boost their statline.
Then make one of the special characters let you take Assault marines as troops.
>>46921451
Paint your stuff however you like anon.
>>46923405
Which one and hell which side?
There's at least 4 anti-ITC from the image produced several generals ago. I've never seen the ITC kids get destroyed so badly before.
>>46923234
Can we complain about scions too?
Literally just troops, hq and a taurox in their "codex."
>>46923481
It shames me to admit, but I would settle for this if given the chance.
Hey, does anyone have a screencap of that guy talking about what it's like being a soldier from Krieg? Thanks
>>46921581
Tau are fun, tactically interesting, and easy to paint. Have fun, Anon.
>>46923518
I know anon. Its sad, but in this day and age Blood Angels just don't have enough to justify a separate codex anymore.
>>46923515
It's a supplement.
Oh sure, it says "Codex", but it's transparently just for allying in. It's a fucking supplement.
>>46923512
>ITC kids
Well we made it 250 posts before some retard decided to kick it off.
>>46923481
>Honor Guard can be upgraded to Sanguine Guard.
>Vanguard can be upgraded to Death Company.
>Apothecary as IC (for entire codex, not just BA)
+1
>>46923538
(You)
Still no news of a link for the Angels of Death supplement? All I could find was the 2nd ed Codex...
>>46923512
What the hell is ITC?
>>46923518
>>46923546
same, but as long as we have 20 fucking snowflake characters, we are gonna keep our own dex.
>>46923560
We play with tiny plastic figures, if getting called kids makes you go wild then I can't imagine how you function in life.
Chapter Tactics: My Entire Ass.
>>46923556
I know. I just dislike how they feel the need to be disingenuous about it (and still charge $40 for the rules lmao).
For being Space Navy SEALs they could have a lot more. Like Chimeras, unique elites etc.
>>46923556
Wonder if they'll ever get an update? I always have Knights if not, but I'd totally make my main army a stormtrooper regiment.
>>46923592
And organization that organizes independent tournaments for warhammer (and other stuff)
They made a long FAQ about some rules that is apparently used by a good percentage of (mostly) american WH40k players, so now there are fight between those that want to play by those FAQs and those that don't accept them
>>46923619
ACTUALLY
They are Called "miniatures." An ancient and gentlemanly diversion.
>>46923632
Alright, thanks.
>>46923592
Some collection of 40k tournament rules created for the purpose of trying to address the issues with the 7th edition of 40k.
Basically a rulebook addentum, also known as house rules. Their changes both help and hurt the game at the same time.
Of course none of this will matter when GW releases it's FAQ's (hopefully) but imagine the hilarity if GW FAQ's are dismissed by the ITC community and instead they stick to their rules?
>>46923632
This post needs fewer facts and more shouting. Do it right, Anon.
>>46923625
Why would you want a chimera when you have a taurox?
>post yfw CSM dont get legion tactics or a decurion in the next codex
>>46923673
armour that doesn't Krak in a strong wind.
>>46923673
wait how the fuck is it going to use its Kustom Mega Kannons vs other flyers??
>>46923673
>You can't crash flyers into each other
Depressing
>>46923619
Proper term is "army-men" Anon.
>>46923663
>inb4 GW doesn't address the problems of those rules, because they have seen from the questions on FB that the thing people really care about is if TWC is S9 o10 if they have a TH
>>46923688
It's a very Kustomized mega canon
>>46923676
Please no
>>46923673
Because they look cooler and are less points.
More options would be nice, is all.
>>46923688
It isn't. Its probably designed as an anti-ground flyer, doubly so because it has strafing run.
Just poor timing that they put it in the dogfighting update.
>>46923676
You are gonna a guard style decurion with no free upgrades, Welcome to hell
>>46923663
first that would require GW to get off their ass and do a full FAQ.
Then have that FAQ actually be comprehensive, clear, and make significant changes.
Given that simple questions have gone multiple editions without answers, I don't think ITC needs to worry.
>>46923673
Cheaper, better armoured, larger capacity, better firing point, lower target...
>>46923720
So basically Orks are featured in the new dogfighting rules but have literally no aircraft that can compete with SM, or any flyers, in this new mode
Classic GW
>>46923767
Dakkajeta would be their dedicated anti-flyer. This new one is a ground attack craft, and the other two are bombers.
I'm not sure what exactly your complaint is.
>>46923810
Right I forgot that Str 6 excels at destroying AV12 and 11, forget I even said anything
>>46923767
>>46923810
I seriously hope the Vendetta gets fighter rules in this new dogfight system. I don't want to buy a forgeworld jet
>>46923852
>5's to hit
>6's to wound
>anti air fighter
>>46923691
My group houserules that you can. We also let jump infantry assault fliers.
>>46923887
>6 or 9 twinlinked shots
>4s to hit if you buy the flyboss upgrade
I'm not saying it's going to be a great anti-air vehicle, I'm just saying it won't be complete rubbish.
>>46923852
>>46923887
Whether or not its good is debatable. The fact is that its the only Orks flyer that would remotely fall into that category.
>>46923922
Isnt the flyboss only for specific missions and not something you can take normally?
Besides that, wow only 50% chance to cause a wound each turn. Shiver me fucking timbers
>>46923853
Vendatta is a ground attack vehicle, no way is it getting dogfighting rules. I hope we get a plastic Imperial interceptor that's not expensive as fuck and looks like shit.
Dedicated interceptors better not be great at firing at ground targets as well, because if AA units can't shoot at ground targets with full BS, air supremacy fighters shouldn't be able to fire at ground targets with full BS. It's only fair.
>>46922658
>AoS
you need to be 18 to use this site
>>46923922
Its probably better than the Tau codex flyers in that area.
>>46923950
>Isn't the flyboss only for specific missions and not something you can take normally?
No, why would it be?
>>46923904
>jump infantry assaulting flyers
Thats pretty fucking cool actually
>>46923950
Which is why, as with all things Orks, you're supposed to take multiple.
Not the best rules design, but its where they're at. The Dakkajet is one of the better Orks units as it is.
>>46922469
Brah, the ebooks have so many straight up misprinks it's incredible.
>>46923887
But wait friend you forget that Ork flyers are incredibly well armored and there is no way a TL Lascannon, Missiles, or a lucky Bolter could pierce their iron hides!!
>>46923922
>>46923940
>145 pts
>3 Supa Shoota
>Flyboss upgrade
>9 TL Shots at BS2
>10/10/10
Meanwhile
>150pts Stormhawk
>Icarus Stormcannon
>TL Ass Cannon
>TL Heavy Bolter
>Ceramite
>12/11/11
>Agile
its not debatable in the slightest
>>46923988
And it's pretty cheap too. Even if you buy every upgrade, it's still only 150 points.
>>46923362
>They play the game of being almost unplayable because of a retarded FoC. Who the hell thought that no HQ was a good idea?
GW wanted it both ways. They wanted Harlies to stay as an "allied" book that would never get used on its own, but they also wanted to push a specific Heavy Support choice.
>>46924019
>9 TL Shots at BS2
BS3. Did you forget what the flyboss upgrade does?
>>46923293
>>46923368
>>A Juvenile Equestrian.
Not to be pedantic, but couldn't an "Equestrian' also be someone who RIDES horses?
>>46924019
>Marines have OP flyers
Yes, we know. Marines are Eldar tier now.
Why don't you compare it to a Razorshark or something?
>>46923887
>Stormhawk
>BS4
>3 shot S7 gun
>3 TL shot S5 gun
>4 TL shot S6 Rending gun
>stock
>>46924065
Clearly that Space marine wants a White Scars initiate.
>>46924055
No fat fingered the 2, not much defference when you consider >>46924076
>>46924066
>implying Tau even need flyers when they get interceptor on literally everything
>>46924065
Yes, however its very clearly about miniature polychromatic horses and they live in a place called "equestria" making them "equestrians"
>Tfw the "orkanaut being given superheavy rules" people were predicting is better than what we got
>>46924065
A rough-looking short man and a gigantic bishonen.
I suppose that's material for gay porn too
>>46924065
'Equine' is the one you want, although >>46924094 makes a very good after-the-fact justification
>>46924090
Compare it to a fucking Heldrake, then. 50 points cheaper, more guns, better guns, no retarded firing arcs, jinking doesn't render it worthless.
>>46923676
Q3/4 2017. Why even think about a CSM update right now.
>>46923954
>Mfw this is followed by a plastic Thunderbolt kit
>>46924090
>I don't want to compare it to something that might disprove my point
>>46924133
>Jinking with a heldrake
u fucking wat
>>46924133
>>46924155
Compared to the Heldrake it is about even on power, although the Heldrake can still drop into "hover" and has 12 AV front, and the Ork flyer still has Arcs, like all vehicles
>>46924155
The plastic tau flyers are universally regarded as shit though
A more apt example would be to compare it to a Barracuda, which is still much better than it
Or the Eldar flyers, which are of comparable price and armour, but much, MUCH fucking better. Even the razorwing is better for fucks sake.
>>46924133
>more guns
what?
>better guns
if you take the templat, which makes it an air to ground unit
>jinking doesn't render it useless
double what?
why jink? If you're running the template jinking makes it more useless.
>>46924261
oh, btw wasn't saying the heldrake wasn't better, it's just not better for the reasons that guy was listing.
>>46923632
It's utterly retarded since playing with ITC FAQ's a choice. If you dont like them, dont use them? Personally, I think all of their rulings (which are put to vote for anyone registered on Frontline's site) are improvements. Do I think there are a thousand other things that could and should be improved? Yes.
Do I subscribe to some paranoid delusion that someone 'in charge' is using them as a set of houserules to make a specific army stronger? No, considering the guys that organize ITC events dont participate in them, and they also play a variety of different armies.
It's one version of 40k that has caught on for competitive players. If you dont like it, ignore it? I play casually, in the western US (where ITC was born) and I dont use them. If my opponent wanted to use them, or a mspecific ruling or two -would I have a problem with it? No. Because they are all improvements.
tldr: dont like a set of rules, dont use them.
But please, stop hijacking every single 40k general to shitpost back and forth about them. No one here needs to read a 1000+ post spanning, 3 week argument between the same handful of assholes and their personal views. Over, and over, and over again.
>>46924019
>>46924066
Just for curiosity
Dakkajet against AV 11. 9 twin-linked shots at BS 3 is around 6 hits on average, which leaves you with 2 HP dealt unless they Jink.
Razorshark can get 6 S 7 shots, none twin linked. Out of those you get 3 hits average, and you're looking at 1-2 HP, but more likely to Pen.
They're also about the same price.
Make of that what you will.
>>46924220
They're regarded as shit by Tau players who have anti-air coming out of their ea
>>46924220
Are Tau flyers not worth buying? I was tempted to get one for a laugh
>>46924302
Pretty even in a vacuum but if the Tau guy decides to throw some Markerlights at the target it gets a bit tilted towards the Razorshark, granted he has enough Markerlights to offset 6s to hit
>>46924133
>I dont know jack shit about 40k: The post
>>46924302
Dakkajets are most useful when taken with an orcurion and in the formation of 3
>Waagh every turn so 12 shots
>rerolling armour pens
Ive had dakkajets take out stormravens by themselves, its pretty good
>>46924334
Get a Barracuda
It's infinitely better rules wise and also looks so much better than the GW ones.
>>46924334
They are average in the context of the game as a whole. But the Tau codex has certain units that are so far above average, taking stuff like their flyers is a hamstring. To the waac weebtards that play Tau.
>>46924334
they aren't terrible, but you want make your army stronger by including them over some other point cost.
If you think they're cool they'll do some work for you.
>>46924357
That barracuda does look fucking mint
>>46924360
>>46924364
I don't really think they look cool desu, they look a bit shit. I just wanted a flyer
>>46924357
>Get a Barracuda
Anon, you might want to take a seat...
>>46924298
I don't actually even know them, since where I live literally no one even know of their existence
I think the only thing I know about them is that, when the Tau codex came out, they really nerfed their decurion, maybe via surveybut I'm not really sure about the last part because I don't play Tau and, as I wrote, I would have no one to play with using the ITC FAQs
I just explained it to that anon that asked about it using the information I gained from lurking the 40k general
>>46924418
Chinaman tho.
>>46924357
So your over-400 points of Dakkajets killed a 200 point Stormraven?
>>46924418
>Just read they smashed the moulds
>retard prices on ebay
JUST
>>46924418
>Hey, do you want to use the new flyer rules?
>No
>>46922261
Chaos Terminators are surprisingly the best Termys, except they don't get sweet storm shields or basically free lightning claws.
Make Chaos Assault Terminators a thing and Chaos' elite units would trounce SMs
>>46924451
No, one of his 3 dakkajets took out a stormraven while the other two shot other stuff.
>>46924467
What makes them better? The fact that they dont have to buy power fists?
>>46924418
How the fuck did they stop selling the barracuda, but still sell the fucking 17 year old fighta-bommer? What the christ?
Would a cyclopia cabal work at all in a 1000pt game?
>>46924467
Chaos terminators should be 5 points cheaper. Loyalists got a 5 point reduction, so Chaos termites should get one to maintain the cost difference.
After all, they don't get free powerfists.
>>46924454
what.
>>46924445
The Tau ruling is a huge improvement. If it were interpreted as buffing the entire army, can you imagine how ridiculously more powerful Tau would be? That one was pretty much a consensus vote iirc.
>>46924467
>Chaos Terminators are surprisingly the best Termys
lol. Are you the same guy that thinks jinking has no effect on Baledrakes?
>>46924533
>This rule would make Tau too strong! We have to change it.
>Read: this would make Tau better than my Eldar and Space Marines. We have to nerf Tau to that level instead of nerfing all 3 to an actual reasonable level.
>>46924500
From my perspective, all my terminators have rage, counter attack, a non unwieldy power weapon that eats MEQs, deep strike, combi weapons, and don't break the bank. I do wish they got furious charge for Mark of Khorne, but 38 points for a combi melta, power weapon, 4 attack on the charge 2+ armor model is pretty fair IMO
Termies have to use their melee weapons right? I cant give my mega warboss the choppa of ragnarork right?
>>46924467
I wasn't sure what was the problem with CSM termies and SM assault termies, since I play SW, whose Wolf Guard Terminators are really similar to the CSM ones.
I raged. Hard. I have to pay 48 points for a dual wielding claw one while the vanilla pay 35!?sure the Wolf Claws mean +1S, but that doesn't explain a 13 points increase
>>46924533
wait. the change their complaining about is notletting the buffmander bonuses apply to everything that joins the shootings?
is there something more than that? Because letting the buffmander apply to everything was a bullshit interpetation anyways.
>>46924618
This is the part that makes me mad too. I think it's 41 points for Mark of Khorne chaos Terminators and double lightning claws. That's just so blatantly fucking ridiculous. They should be 38 with the Mark of Khorne upgrade.
>>46924623
Its the only interpretation that made any sense with how they wrote it. Firing as one unit means they share all buffs, and they included markerlights specifically so it clearly covers more stuff than just them.
Its still an insanely overpowered rule, but to half the armies in the game it makes no difference anyway
>>46924220
>Barracuda
On that note, any news on what Forgeworld will do once these new rules hit?
>>46924575
Yeah, because no other faction that regularly gets curbstomped by their decurion would benefit.It's annoying for everybody, dude.
>>46924660
or you could accept that GW has shitty editors, and that the meantion of markerlights was meant to mean just markerlights.
If it was mean to mean all buffs there is no need for the markerlight mention.
>>46924660
>>46924697
Do we really need to have this argument all other again?
>>46924718
not really, I've got the information for to judge the 'ITC is prejudice against Tau' people now.
>>46924682
Really? How annoying is it for Orks to go from getting tabled on turn 3 to getting tabled on turn 2?
It just feels very hypocritical. That somehow Tau being boosted up to beyond god tier would be worse than Eldar going to god tier.
>>46924763
Because the eldar being overpowered is due to GW being unable to balance rather than poor wording on a rule
>>46924763
I'm arguing that they all need to get whacked with the nerfbat, not just Tau.
>>46924791
Maybe, but at a certain point it feels off.
>>46924799
Fair enough. I doubt we'll ever see it though, since nobody likes getting nerfed.
>>46924819
Well GW has had to fix wording on rules before, and errata on that has some precident.
GW is however, completely unwilling to do the one thing that would most help balance, point cost errata.
>>46924890
Yep. That could solve a lot of issues in one update if they were willing to fiddle with basic things like points, stats, or wargear.
They could easily adjust things to be more expensive when they're too strong, or make across-the-board changes for certain units (terminators, dreadnoughts).
Of course, that means they can't sell as many supplements, so its never gonna happen.
>>46925002
oh, I don't think it's pure rational capitalism, becaue as with my standard critique of that economic theory, people are stubornd, capricious, petty, and stuck to their own personal principles (meant in the neutral sense).
I'm firmly believe that the GW bigwigs think change point costs outside of full codex updates is wrong. That keeping those things restricted to their own internal control is a principle for them.
>>46925085
Yeah. Hopefully they might start doing more stuff like that Space Wolves supplement that fiddled with a few of the units as well. More updates like that one that are willing to change rules in addition to formations would be nice.
>>46925002
>>46925085
It makes a bit of sense.
I mean if you release a new codex, it sort of binds players to use the latest codex.
If an update hits you with a nerf bat, you can just pretend the update never happened and continue curb stomping your opponents.
>>46925123
They actually just added the added formation rules for the vehicles, the actual changes that people wanted (basically the same the BA want but harder to make work) haven't been touched.Let's hope for the FAQ
>>46925129
That's a fair point. It'd be kind of silly to pass around a free update (or stick it in a supplement that they have to go out of their way to buy) that does nothing but nerf them.
I think something happened similar with the Crimson Slaughter update where everyone just ignored it because the new formations didn't outweigh some of the rules changed and incidental nerfs.
>>46925123
yeah, as much hate as GW, somewhat rightly, gets, they have made some progress, using the web, working with other companies, actually communicating with other people.
I mean, they're no where fucking near say CB, FFG, Brandon Sanderson (okay, not a company, but damnit do I like how much that man communicates to is fans and costumers).
how much flakk would i probably get if i played my 30k Sons of Horus in 40k games as a Raven Guard successor? in terms of colour scheme, mostly
>>46925171
Well, I think there were some wargear alterations and changes to the iron wolf tech wolf priest wolf, but I'm not sure what exactly it was.
If they were willing to go further with it, it could be a useful tool for them.
>>46924445
>information I gained from lurking the 40k general
>>46925227
>in terms of colour scheme, mostly
That shouldn't be a problem. Asking to used 30K rules in 40k might not work out so well.
>>46925129
well don't do a pure nerf. Even stuff like eldar can have one or two units get a little buff.
Second, have it online, with a mobile site. Trying to pretend like it didn't come out doesn't work anymore when I can pull it up on my phone.
>>46925198
that's a bit different. It's a pure houserule.
>>46925243
Right, there was the Iron Priest toonope, no wolves in his name, sorry, but the wargear was entirely new weapons for the "new" units, no actual alteration to the existing weapons
>>46924533
eh.
ITC ruled that certain buff-commander upgrades could not be applied tot the hunter-contingent.
Then the ITC ruled that a unit of ghostkeels could use electronic countermeasures once for each model in the unit.
The ITC tau treatment was not all nerf.
>>46925279
>that's a bit different
Its about the same really. There were some nice rules, CSM lost them and got some different good rules, people tried to ignore it.
I'm not saying it's a good thing to do or anything, just that it gives a clear example of people ignoring an update that nerfs them.
Hopefully someone here can help me.
I play IG, because reasons.
I figured out that the regimental specialists/advisors are attachments to company and platoon command squads, and in some cases, to regular platoons.
HOWEVER, what I can't figure out by reading the codex is whether or not I have to have BOTH company and platoon command squads?
>>46925272
who gives a shit, 30k marines are low tier in 40k. Only mechanicum is strong at 40k levels
>>46925279
>Second, have it online, with a mobile site. Trying to pretend like it didn't come out doesn't work anymore when I can pull it up on my phone.
I'm not sure how well that would work with the current, "pay for your DLC" style updates.
Doubly so if you're asking players to pay for a little buff to two units and a nerf to the rest of your army.
>>46925314
>Then the ITC ruled that a unit of ghostkeels could use electronic countermeasures once for each model in the unit.
Because that's exactly what the rule says they can do.
>>46925314
> Then the ITC ruled
The ITC didn't do shit. The ITC held a poll of tournament players at frontlinegaming and those players voted on it. If the decision is shit, blame democracy.
>>46925319
>HOWEVER, what I can't figure out by reading the codex is whether or not I have to have BOTH company and platoon command squads?
You have to have 1 HQ if you want to take a CAD. Your options are a CCS, a Commissar Lord, or a Tank Commander.
You need one PCS for every Platoon you take. If you take nothing but vet squads, you don't need any PCS.
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>>46925371
>>46924575
No, the ruling about the "SHARE EVERYTHING HURR" was fucking asine, and based on absolutely retarded logical fallacies.
I play Tau, and it was the moment where I stopped frequenting that WAAC hellhole that AdvancedTauTactica had become. The rule was crystal clear in application, but some faggots had to be gigantic faggots.
This is why we can't have nice things.
I agree about the need to bring all armies closer, but that is far beyond the scope of ITC. What they can do, is make reasonable houserules to fix rules questions that would otherwise be argued about for hours, or decided every game by a fucking dice roll (Because people apparently don't know how to talk to each other like normal human beings), and ITC fixes some of it. Whether or not I like the rulings is beside the point, because even if they went full retard, it would be a common point to stand on, so we could avoid unnecessary arguments.
The Tau Coordinated Firepower rule DEFINITELY fits into this category.
>>46925327
30k is like anything from Forge World, players might not want to play against it even if it is well balanced.
>>46925319
infantry platoons are a troop choice
they NEED to have 1 platoon command squad and 2 infantry squads and they can expand the platoon with other squads
Company command squads are a HQ choice , they don't come with infantry squads and have slightly diffrent rules and upgrades
you don't need to take both , in fact you can choose not to take them at all , a lord commisar and veterans work just as well (well the lord commisar is shit but he can fill the same force org slot) for your hq and troops respectively
>>46925350
well, now you're getting into my 'base rules should be free onliine' spiel, and having this count as an update to the base rules.
But this is GW we're tallking about, who won't even let me buy just the core rulebook without paying extra for an artbook and fluff book that I don't want.
But both FLGS near me turn a blind eye to people bringing in ditigal/printed copies of books that are most likely pirated.
>>46925376
DEMOCRACY IS NON-NEGOTIABLE.
>>46925402
this guy gets it.
>>46925387
>forgetting about based yarrick
>>46925314
>Then the ITC ruled that a unit of ghostkeels could use electronic countermeasures once for each model in the unit.
...I don't get it. That's what the rule already says.
>>46925466
yeah pretty much but some people are retarded.
>>46922935
Oh yes I forgot to put them in. Yeah they are good but MANZ, mek guns, and tank bustas are top tier at least for our book
>>46921315
Don't know if you're still around, but roughly half of that is a terrible idea. GK teleport shenanigans is generally a good idea. Unfortunately, paladins are awful, as in any list not involving dreadknights. They're practically the only legitimately great unit in the codex. Take them. Knights are terrible AA and covering fire really doesn't exist in this game. That being said, knights are pretty killy. I'm not saying not to field one, but you might wish to reconsider your expectations.
I just finished building my bloodthirster!
>>46926502
post pics
>>46926564
Sorry for the awful, picture.
My collection of greater daemons is now complete! Shame there isn't a tetrad for them.
>>46927055
GW really needs to update their other GDs
