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Previous thread: >>68171747
News:
>Lesnar fighting Hunt in UFC 200 comain
http://www.mmamania.com/2016/6/6/11866884/ufc-200-haunted-brock-lesnar-announces-fight-mark-hunt-july-9-las-vegas-mma
>UFC 199 salaries (not including bonuses/ reebux)
http://mmajunkie.com/2016/06/ufc-199-salaries-cruz-350k-bisping-250k-rockhold-250k-earn-top-disclosed-payouts-1
>The other mandrama guy is targeted to fight at UFC 202
http://larrybrownsports.com/mma/cm-punk-fight-mickey-gall-ufc-202/307276
https://youtu.be/Ac7Xw8imN4E?t=2h6m5s
Let's remember the good times, guys
What are some of your favourite memories of Ariel Helwani?
Ariel Helwani has more twitter followers than 8 UFC champions.
Ariel Helwani makes otherwise vanilla fighters interesting.
He stimulates press conferences, he gives fighters a platform to express themselves and become more likable, he gets information out to fans more effectively than most fighters could do.
Zuffa made a huge mistake here, especially if fighters under their control are forbidden from being guests on the MMA Hour.
>>68174022
That time he raped the poor minority Nick Diaz by asking why he was late to a press conference! Nick Diaz is a persecuted Latino man, of course he's going to be late!
i don't really give a shit about jewani
we should move on instead and get hyped for mcdonald's vs wonderpedo
>>68174022
none
well, mayhem miller literally raping his podcast on his podcast was good
Bang bang bang
Real thread
>>68173963
>>68173963
>>68173963
Real thread
>>68174057
I do let you bang bro
>>68174091
>thread wars
leave
>>68174022
I remember that time he implied he wasn't a zuffa shill, oh the laughs I had
>Cant believe they banned le down to earth reporter
Lol u faggots are pathetic. Nothing is gonna change. Dana learned he can do what he wants with impunity because the fans continually suck zuffa shaft
Dana just slipped it in another inch.
>I get paid 0 (zero) dollars by Lorenzo and Dana to disparage a journalist exercising his first right amendments
https://twitter.com/jedigoodman/status/739878459669778432?ref_src=twsrc^tfw
>caring about Helwani
>caring about Rogan
Their is a far better option you know.
well, if ariel has the same luck as sherwood, he will get his press credentials back in 5 years
>>68174201
Black will replace Rogan once he retires
>>68174153
>Dana bans a guy that continually leaks private info, even after having been warned at least a dozen times
>Bad
Waaaaahhhh! You'll have to hear the Brock announcment at 10pm instead of 8pm. Waaaaahhhh! You'll know about the next UFC main event when they release a trailer for it, instead of 2 days earlier. Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!
Ariel was tabloid tier.
The only 2 current mma stories
are how Jon Jones blood test results for the first Cormier fight were never released, and how Brock has an exemption from USADA testing, but no one wants to report on those.
>>68174157
The first amendment only protects you from the government, private corporations can still shut their doors to you without violating it
why the fuck do I know your constitution better than you do, burger
Anybody willing to redraw Cruz. Take away the lats and make him skinnier but leave the wojak face.
>>68174161
that link doesn't work
>>68174233
Please point out where I said anything about it being illegal
I'll be waiting
say hello the next MW champ
>>68174235
QUIT TRYING TO MAKE FUN OF MY BOY YOU GOOF
>>68174252
His first right amendments aren't being violated though
It has nothing to do with that
>>68174157
>Its my first amendment right to get paid to go on a live Fox show, get ringside seats to every fight, and to get one-on-one exclusive interviews with fighters the night of the fight while eating off a UFC paid-for buffet
Lol
>2 threads every time
stop it or I'll go to reddit you faggots
>>68174201
>50 Reebux have been deposited into your account. Thank you for your services!
>>68174286
These morons keep making threads 30 posts early. Mods need to step up.
>yfw you remember Ariel breaking Watergate
>yfw you remember Ariel calling the moonlanding
w-will it ever be the same again bros?
Can it be that it was all so simple then?
>>68174269
I didn't say they were violated, bud.
Try again, next time.
>>68174276
Didn't say that, lol
>>68174317
Then clarify your point, what exactly is the reason you're bringing up the first amendment? It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion between Helwani and the UFC
>>68174317
youre so fucking fat and dumb
i genuinely hate you fwiw
Will the sport ever be the same without the jew we all know, love, and think about every day?
>>68173979
Is this sheckel harvester the new big meme?
>>68174339
He's just being a journalist and exercising his rights. It's nothing to do with illegality rather than Dana and Lorenzo just being butthurt over absolutely nothing.
His rights apparently infringe upon their feelings too much
>>68174357
There's some drama going on about him, apparently
I just saw everyone talking about him and decided to make the op topical
>>68174345
I'm actually an atomweight :P
>>68174369
Okay so you're basically just saying the first amendment is a thing that exists
I'm glad you brought that up, I'm sure nobody knew
>people on bloodytampondotcom unironically picking against Mark "Heem" Hunt
>>68174407
>bork going to fight without USADA testing
do you hate money?
Main Card (Pay-per-view)
Michael Bisping ($250,000 + no win bonus = $250,000) def. Luke Rockhold ($250,000)
Dominick Cruz ($350,000 + no win bonus = $350,000) def. Urijah Faber ($160,000)
Max Holloway ($75,000 + $75,000 = $150,000) def. Ricardo Lamas ($53,000)
Dan Henderson ($600,000 + $200,000 = $800,000) def. Hector Lombard ($53,000)
Dustin Poirier ($55,000 + $55,000 = $110,000) def. Bobby Green ($24,000)
Preliminary Card (FOX Sports 1)
Brian Ortega ($23,000 + $23,000 = $46,000) def. Clay Guida ($55,000)
Beneil Dariush ($31,000 + $31,000 = $62,000) def. James Vick ($23,000)
Jessica Andrade ($20,000 + $20,000 = $40,000) def. Jessica Penne ($20,000)
Alex Caceres ($24,000 + $24,000 = $48,000) def. Cole Miller ($33,000)
Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
Sean Strickland ($23,000 + $23,000 = $46,000) def. Tom Breese ($19,000)
Luis Henrique da Silva ($10,000 + $10,000 = $20,000) def. Jonathan Wilson ($12,000)
Kevin Casey ($15,000) vs. Elvis Mutapcic ($16,000)
Polo Reyes ($12,000 + $12,000 = $24,000) def. Dong Hyun Kim ($10,000)
>>68174402
Well it's apparently nobody knew since that what Ariel is being disparaged for doing
Or do you need an explanation for this, too?
>>68174369
And Dana and Lorenzo are just being businessmen and exercising their rights.
>>68173979
Good riddance.
>all the fighters are now being instructed by Zuffa to not speak to Helwani.
>>68174467
MY FAMILY WAS BANNED FROM TALKING TO FIGHTERS AN HAD TO MOVE TO CANADA
>>68174431
I'm all for Hunt getting paid, same with Diaz. Unironic lifetime boys
>>68174467
RIP in peace Jewani
>>68174444
More like abusing, but sure whatever. Whatever justifies your own current cucked state working a low wage temp job
>>68174434
>Dan Henderson wants to stay in the business for the fans and his love for the sport
>fans
>love for the sport
>not his 800k $ paycheks per fight
>Bork coming back
>hmm maybe he's been training all this time? Might be interesting but his striking is still going to be lacking
>Fighting Mark fucking Hunt
>>68174434
>Hendo has a guarenteed $600,000
Good for him
>>68174497
RUSEV CRUSHKA
>>68174506
>>68174497
reebok is awesome guys lol they got our vets on the back end lol
>>68174497
I think he'd have to redo his contract before another fight though. I doubt he would still command such money.
>>68174434
>Dan Henderson ($600,000 + $200,000 = $800,000)
w-why won't Hendo retire guys???
where can I watch this "where are they now" series from fitepass without buying fitepass
>>68174497
After what he did to hector im all for him getting brain damage in the off chance he gets a vicious heem.
ooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooo I'm the ghost of ariel helwani's career oooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo
>>68174493
How exactly is it an abuse?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzUOKSHK6a4
>>68174436
Are you saying people shouldn't be disparaged for what they say because of the first amendment?
The first amendment doesn't mean we have to automatically like everything someone says.
Certainly you're not forced to invite them to private events, comp their services, and cut them a paycheck.
>>68174434
Who got FOTN? Isn't that 50k?
>>68174552
It's excessive and stupid. They're acting unreasonably
Anything else you'd like answered?
>>68174497
>>68174530
the dude got the most brutal knock out of the night and maybe in league history.
It was worth the 800k, thanks Hendo for being the HEEM master. Not a boring score card playing shitter like Cruz.
>>68174552
Just because
Gosh why don't you guys get it?
>>68174201
He's annoying as fuck on twitter. Had to unfollow.
>>68174550
>implying the jew is unhappy about all this attention
I will never follow UFC journalism again
Jon Fitch was bad but this is on another level
I cannot believe what they would do to a man whos family had to flee to Canada because of their religion
>>68174436
Again, what on earth does the first amendment have to do with anything?
The first amendment protect Ariel from being arrested for free speech. Are you saying the UFC somehow tricked him into believing his was being arrested?
>>68174577
>the cruz fight was boring
Maybe its just because I dislike faber but that fight was a fucking masterful performance. I loved it.
is anyone actually supporting the UFC in this? Taking away Ariel's passes is only going to make him a martyr in the eyes of the enlightened. And, it's not like he's just going to stop reporting the news. If anything, he's going to report more because he can just report whatever the fuck he wants because there's nothing for him to lose.
>>68174614
God you are such a fucking retard.
>>68174577
Cruz almost finished Faber 3 times and was actively looking for a knockout. You're a dumbass.
>you know remembers that Faber almost got dropped by Cruz, twice
>>68174574
You just rephrased your outrage at the situation. What makes it unfair?
>>68174649
almost lol he did get dropped twice
Dominic Cruz is a boring faggot and anyone whiteknighting for helwani is a faggot too.
Reminder that if you don't spend money on the UFC, your opinion doesnt matter.
>>68174649
He did get dropped by him, twice
>>68174620
nobody EVER went for a finish, both were ultra conservative score card playing shitters for 5 rounds.
You can call it "masterful" if you want, but at its core its cowardly and safe. Not all that entertaining especially compared to Hendo killing a man on live TV.
>>68174574
But you keep mentioning rights. It may be excessive, but what does that have to do with Ariel's rights? He has no right to be given media access, and his first amendment rights aren't being infringed upon.
>>68174661
well I meant almost got heemed
Fuck you for making me look like a fool now.
>>68174628
You said he was disparaged for using the first amendment.
Again, did the UFC ever say that they disagree with his first amendment right to not be arrested for free speech?
>>68174645
>almost finished
>actively looking for a knock out
lol thats just plain untrue.
Stunned him and then backed off because "well idk maybe he'll catch me with something IM SCARED!"
>>68174660
I didn't rephrase anything. Do you somehow equate abuse of a right as illegal?
>what makes it unfair
It's a stupid reason to ban him. The reason was really utterly inconsequential and they're causing more of a stir with this whole thing
You know the answers to these. You're just desperate to seem the slightest bit intelligible in this.
>Lesnar'd gonna get HEEM's by Based Hunto
M E M E M A G I C
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>Maybe talking shit will help me get my credentials back
>>68174434
>dong took off 10 years off his life for $10000 and the chance to take 5 years off Reyes life
>>68174645
>actively looking for a knockout
>Diaz
You only get one buddy
https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/freehelwani/
>Bisping is the champ
>knocks out Luke on two weeks notice
>no one cares because of Ariel
>>68174694
see
>>68174669
Faber kicked him in the face.
>>68174665
Listen, my "just bleed" friend, most fights arent two guys taking turns heeming eachother. You'll figure that out after you have seen more than a few cards.
>>68174665
It's masterful in the same way Mayweather could be described as masterful. Evasive boxing for points. At the end of the day, the record stands and the wins count, but your average fan doesn't enjoy it.
>>68174668
All I said was that Ariel utilized his rights as a journalist. It's not the main issue here. You keep bringing it up despite it not being relevant to the discussion anymore
>he has no right to be given media access
Like I already said you fucking retard, I didn't say he had right to that
Are you just being as autistic as possible to evade the actual point Zuffa are being unreasonable? Just focusing on and twisting words?
>>68174434
>Dan Henderson ($600,000 + $200,000 = $800,000) def. Hector Lombard ($53,000)
whew lad
>>68174735
I care. It makes me happy every time I think about it.
>>68174694
Except it is true you fucking retard. Did you even watch the fight? He almost finished Faber with almost the exact position he had Mizugaki in and was constantly pressing Faber whenever he landed a combo
>>68174763
>53k
And that poor cunt Lombard was in a literal coma for an hour.
>>68174696
>It's a stupid reason to ban him.
Not an argument
>The reason was really utterly inconsequential
You have no way of knowing what impact it had or what value the UFC places on stuff. It is also silly to assume this was the result of just one event.
>and they're causing more of a stir with this whole thing
100% irrelevant
ariel exercised his rights, ufc exercised theirs
>>68174688
>did the UFC ever say that they disagree with his first amendment right to not be arrested for free speech
Oh boy, Zuffa shills can't argue the actual point so they'll just keep actually rephrasing and strawmanning.
Ariel was acting as a journalist. The UFC punished him mainly because they're emotional women
I've stated this several times already. Keep up.
Was it disclosed to helwhiny that the bork story was confidential? If it was, then the goof has no leg to stand on.
>>68174820
You seem to be deeply confused about what the UFC, as a private business, is obligated to do.
You seem to be deeply confused about the difference between a right and a privilege.
>>68174817
rekt
>>68174821
He literally said that nobody told him anything about it being confidential etc
He also said that every time he's ever tried to run something past the UFC before reporting on it, they'd have no comment or they'd lie to his face
>>68174798
>not an argument
To what? Their right to ban him? Of course not you fucking retard, it's still a stupid reason.
>You have no way of knowing what impact it had
I can make reasonable assumptions. And you can reasonably assume this did absolutely nothing. It's actually silly to assume it did. It's even sillier to think that any of this is the slightest bit of a reasonable reaction
>100% irrelevant
It 100% is, because if you're to damage control why cause more damage?
You seem to be very autistic and taking everything at face value
Daily reminder that official USADA rules state that a fighter coming out of retirement must submit to 4 months of drug testing, but that Lesnar has been granted a USADA exemption.
>>68174623
It was a stupid decision on the UFC's part, but I don't morally fault them for cutting ties with a journalist who's ruining all their big releases.
>>68174842
You seem to be deeply confused about human linguistics.
Please point out once where I said the UFC had no right to ban Ariel
Or are you just pretending to be retarded again because you know how fucking dumb you're acting when it comes to the fact the UFC overreacted?
>>68174753
You said that Ariel is just being a journalist and exercising his rights, to which I replied that Dana and Lorenzo are being businessmen and exercising their rights, at which point you said that Dana and Lorenzo's exercise of their rights was an "abuse". You have given an answer. All you've said is that it's "excessive and stupid" and that they're acting "unreasonably" but you haven't given any reason as to why, nor given any justification for you classifying it as an abuse.
>>68174865
lol who cares
>>68174865
Do you hate fun?
>>68174867
What exactly is ruined? Most people are in the camp that nothing was ruined. It's a personal vendetta and nothing more. It's childish. But of course retards will interpret this as "b-b-but corporations have rights too!!!!", not only completely missing the point but perpetuating a big issue.
>>68174854
>He literally said that nobody told him anything about it being confidential etc
I'm sure he thought the UFC was cool with him releasing that Brock Lesnar was returning the UFC before they announced...
Especially after he had already been fired twice before for leaking fights...
TFW SPORTSNATION IS TALKING ABOUT HELWANI
>tfw I take over from Helwani
lelelelel
>>68174865
>non fight fan detected.
>>68174865
Daily reminder that Jon Jones' blood test from his first fight was Cormier was never released. The athletic commission released the results of 5 urine tests, but his blood test result was covered up.
>Go in kitchen
>See mom is watching Ellen Degenerate show
>Ronda is on it
>She looks really good
>Laughing and having fun
>>68174865
Should I survive this tropical storm I'll be boycotting the PPV.
>>68174903
you now remember tanner died in the desert from dehydration after his motorbike stopped working and he decided to walk back home
>>68174885
>but you haven't given any reason why
I think it's stupid and excessive, I disagree with the punishment. I don't see what you're actually trying to get out of this
Here you are again extrapolating a single word as something larger. Abuse of a right is still a right. That doesn't mean I can't think it's excessive or stupid
Or are you trying to tell me otherwise? You realize being this intentionally obtuse doesn't help you, right? It's making you look dumber than you already are.
>This mental sparring between a literal retard who is upset at the actions of private corporations and people who think private corporations dont have any obligation to act in the best interest of other companies
Truly is big government in here
>muh private company acted poorly and WRONG and UNFAIR :'(
>>68174932
What's mom making for dinner?
>>68174950
Yes, that's the point. Nobody is disputing the legality of this. Do you feel smart yet for finally understanding the point, samefag?
what if Cuck Thomas got kicked out? I don't think people would have cared at all.
>>68174856
You saying your assumptions are reasonable doesn't make them reasonable. It means you're just making assumptions. Let's try to use actual facts. The consequences of the UFCs actions are 100% irrelevant to determining whether the original action was just or not.
You are clearly emotional and defensive (name calling and the general tones of your posts) so I won't waste anymore time trying to have a conversation with you. Enjoy your day.
Has anyone posted a webm of Ariel crying yet?
>>68174974
Luke wanted this to happen, hated Ariel from the get go. His time to shine, baby
>>68174974
None of the security staff would have made it out alive.
I like how all of Ariel's buddies are writing articles about this ruining the UFC when they are literally the only people who care besides Reddit.
>>68174946
What rights were abused?
He had privileges taken away.
>>68174946
>I think it's stupid and excessive, I disagree with the punishment.
You've said this multiple times now. The question is why? Apparently this entire talk of the "first amendment" and "abuse" of "rights" has just been a very long-winded way of saying that you disagree with the decision without having to justify your position.
>>68174974
Not even Ariel would have cared.
>>68175007
#freehelwaini
I'm doing MY PART
#WARELAMIE
>>68174820
You're the one who brought up the first amendment, goof.
>>68174902
They would rather not have someone releasing information about Brock's fight at UFC 200 before their promotional material. This is more than enough reason to revoke Ariel's privileges, not to mention all the problems they've had with him in the past.
>>68174980
>doesn't make them reasonable
Thanks, dumbass. That's why we're having this discussion. Of course you're such a fucking autist you're literally disputing every single word as if it's some definitive factual claim
>the consequences of the UFC's actions are 100% irrelevant to determining whether the original action was just or not
Well it seems pretty obvious that they were attempting to damage control and only made a bigger mess. So yes I think it's an entirely relevant discussion point for someone who isn't a gigantic autist like yourself
>name calling
Cry more you fucking pussy.
>so I wont' waste anymore time
In other words you realize you were arguing about facts and not debating subjectivity and realized how fucking autistic you were
Congrats.
>>68174942
>"It seems some MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) websites have reported on the story, posting up that I might die out in the desert, or that it might be my greatest opponent yet, etc. Come on, guys. It's really common down in Southern California to go out to the off-road recreation areas in the desert about an hour away from LA and San Diego. "So my plan is to go out to the desert, do some camping, ride the motorcycle, and shoot some guns. Sounds like a lot of fun to me. A lot of people do it. This isn't a version of 'Into the Wild.'"
Jesus. It's sad that he died, but fuck, everyone was telling him not to do it.
UFC's last two YT videos are getting shit on in terms of their like/dislike ratio
Not that it matters, just interesting to observe
>>68175031
WE DID IT REDDIT
>>68174998
True. Luke is a big guy and takes creatine.
>>68174770
kek
>>68175007
>ruining the UFC
Lol.
Brock Retard fights in literally one month. No one will even remember who Ariel is after UFC 200
>This thread
>>68175047
same thing happened when Stitch got fired
the question is how long will it last before people get bored of doing?
All this ariel stuff aside i feel like this usada bs is rigged no way wwe lesnar is not on roids right now
>>68174902
A lot of fans would have preferred to hear about Brock at the event first.
>>68175047
UFC 200 is still going to 1.9 million buys.
Then two months later, Conor/Nate with CM Punk is going to break 2 million.
The ufc has every right and good reason to banish ariel for leaking info. What exactly is the controversy here?
>>68175018
we need to know how outraged he is that a Jew doesn't get free stuff anymore. He is REALLY mad.
>>68175034
That's a really shitty reason.
>>68175018
>why
Because I think so. Again what the fuck are you expecting? Are you still under the stupid impression that I'm arguing facts of the matter? I think don't think the punishment fits the crime, what do you want?
>apparently this entire talk of first amendment and abuse has been a way of saying you disagree with the decision
Great, you finally caught on after me telling you a dozen other times you giant fucking aspie
>without having to justify your position
Justify what? My opinion? I'm saying I disagree with the decision, what else do you want? You continue to twist words like "abuse" into meaning "illegal" because you can't actually argue anything.
>>68175071
random twitter goof btfo'd
>>68175073
I give it a week, couple of days at the most. Very interesting to observe internet outrage. It's like the Fine Brothers craic
>>68175085
Hunt is the natty king and will heem him
Can someone post the webm of Big Sexy manhandling Mark Hunt?
>>68175066
Early stoppage desu
>>68175094
We get it man, you're dumb, angry, and can't articulate your position. Relax.
>>68175086
The fans clearly didn't seem to care either way as evident of the entire controversy
>>68175100
Pies and beer versus HGH
lads which fight will be featued fight pass prelim for 200?
Mousasi/Brunson maybe?
someone hasn't been careful
>>68175073
I didnt care about stitch tho this is different. This reached national platforms the stitch duran story was nowhere on espn or others
>>68175046
did he just not bring enough water or something basic? he sounds reasonable, going camping out in the dunes
but if everyone knew he'd fuck it up and he did fuck it up i imagine he was doing some dumb shit like not eating or drinking water
>>68175085
Thats what the Ariel stuff is about. Its all a distraction while the UFC pulls more shady shit with Lesnar's and Jones' drug tests.
>>68175118
I stated it multiple times. I'm sorry you're a fucking autist and can't read basic English
>its your fault I'm stupid
That'd be your parents fault for not aborting you, sonny
requesting the Yoel Romero "heem yourself my man" pic
please.
Anyone here a journalist or works in the field?
>>68175131
>journalists receive threats
wew lad, I would never have known.
>>68175100
absolutely steroids or not you cant lift weights with your chin as they say. He did say on sportscenter that one good punch from mark would knock off the rust and hed be back. I thought at that moment brock is gonna get ko'd thinking he can take a punch from hunt.
>>68175161
I'm Arial Halwani. ama
>>68175147
No, you've just continued to express outrage and say "it's like totally unfair guys just cause". You can't actually provide a logical argument to support your position. Just your tears are keeping it afloat.
>>68175183
Are you planning to kys?
>>68175183
haha stupid kike get rekt by skinhead dana white.
>>68175161
not anymore i literally fucking quit because of this fiasco
#warhawliawa
>>68175172
Brock has a good chin, he just doesn't react well to getting hit.
>>68175094
>why?
>Because I think so. Again what the fuck are you expecting?
An explanation. Is this really so hard to comprehend? when you go about insulting people for disagreeing with you, it usually helps to explain why you disagree.
>>68175183
After getting ethics in journalism "stuffed down your throat", how did you feel about reporting on the UFC while being on salary with Zuffa?
>millions of people lose their jobs and homes over jew fuckery ie. stock market, fedral reserve, banks..
no one gives a fuck, they just give them more money..
>1 jew loses his job because he is fucking dummy
massive outrage, white house petitions..
>>68175161
yes i write for infowars
>>68173979
funnily enough, what bothers me the most about this is robin black`s kicking a man when he is down. especially because the comparison he is making is wrong and he is a talentless 50 year old ex addict rockstar turned mma fighter talent show judge.
>>68175206
I think he is too worked up right now to even realize how dumb he is.
"It's unfair just because"
>>68175051
And he's also a former Marine, so he has experience in killing.
>>68175212
Shut up before I shut you up.
>>68175219
ya mean this ?
>>68175194
My logical argument is that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. It's a completely subjective issue with no right answer. Of course you're going to continue to be a giant aspie and literally argue as if it's arguing a law of physics.
You're asking for a reasoning behind a reason, almost something subconscious, as if asking this somehow makes an opinion on a discussion of the ethics of something irrelevant to the discussion
In other words you're a retard who thinks being his witty but isn't. You aren't actually arguing against my opinion. Just the idea of it
>>68175137
Just heard of this myself, but apparently he didn't bring enough water, wanted to refill at a spring, but it was unexpectedly dry, and then he refused his friends' over to send help.
>>68175203
I would rather get heemed than fly around the ring spinning around tbqh
>>68175200
kek
>>68175212
REEEEEEEE ETHICS IN JOURNALISM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>68175212
Do you care either way? So why are you even complaining?
>>68175244
Is this the dumbest poster on /heem/?
>>68175271
#istandwithDana
i care because i have to read this nonsense in my shitty thread im reading in bed at 7am
>>68175277
yes
>>68175203
Thats actually a good point its not that he gets ko'd more that he spazzes out and gets afraid. He needs to go full hulk mode again. However this fight he will need to keep his distance and wait for a good shot and go for the takedown. He has no chance on the feet with hunto
Retards: Are you actually saying the UFC doesn't have a right to this??????
Smart people: No, simply saying it's wrong
Retards: But they can do it, they have every right too, fuck morals, just look at what they can do!!!!
Smart people: I'm not saying they can't, I disagree with the reaction, like most moral and sensible people
Retards: But muh emotions!!!! Stop arguing feelings, I have none!!!!
>>68174979
>based pat getting subbed
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>68175242
I don't get this tweet. Here's a heem to whomever explains it to me.
>>68175244
>you're asking me for my reasoning
I know, it's a crazy thing to expect from somebody.
>>68175277
>>68175290
>if i samefag, he might stop
Not a chance, kiddo
Go ahead and tell me how giving an opinion on a subjective issue is somehow entirely irrelevant though, I'll wait :^)
>>68175277
Yup. Probably a Jew too.
Some of the responses (if genuine) inside this thread and earlier threads are incredible. As a sports reporter, wow.
>>68175301
the same argument can be used for Ariel leaking the Brock news just a couple of hours before the big announcement.
>>68175301
>Smart people think corporations should be guided by subjective morals and not objective profit seeking
you need to fuck off forever
>>68175301
last 2+ threads summed up
>>68175323
>I'll horrifically paraphrase, that's a good trick!!!!!
>Fitch gets cut
Reddit does nothing
>Burt gets fired
Reddit does nothing
>Okami gets cut
Reddit does nothing
>Stitch gets fired
Reddit does nothing
>Maldanado gets cut
Reddit does nothing
>Helwani gets banned
....
See a pattern here?
Nobody will give a fuck by the time UFC 200 comes and goes.
This is now a Rose thread.
>>68175242
Aye lad
>Its unethical for a journalist to accept more than $30 in gifts
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY AM I NOT GETTING FREE FLOOR TICKETS TO UFC 200! THIS IS CENSORSHIP!!!
>>68175301
>calling himself ''smart people''
Literally kill yourself.
Also, this is the most clear cut case of someone biting the hand that feeds him and paying for it. The fact is, you don't have any sort of argument for your stance and have taken it because:
a) you're jewani dickrider
b) you want to be edgy and contrarian
Either way, kill yourself post haste.
>>68175346
That was a bit of a stretch there zippy
>>68175301
>Smart people: No, simply saying it's wrong
But you haven't explained why it's wrong. Things aren't wrong just because you declare them to be.
Retards: Are you actually saying Helwani doesn't have a right to report Brocks fight??????
Smart people: No, simply saying it's wrong
Retards: But he can do it, he has every right too, fuck morals, just look at what he can do!!!!
Smart people: I'm not saying he can't, I disagree with the reaction, like most moral and sensible people
Retards: But muh emotions!!!! Stop arguing feelings, I have none!!!!
>>68175308
Go back to lebbit.
>>68175353
>I'm mad so I don't need logic
>>68175354
>tfw im not even very excited for ufc 200. top 3 fights on the card thats really it for me. I just dont care enough to goto the bar that early
>>68175321
well he is calling ariel gossip media while he believes the incredibly mediocre fight analyses he makes are infinetly better than what ariel does. they apparently had beef. he seems salty and jealous imo. plus he is paid by the ufc. so fuck him.
>>68175354
to be fair, none of those people were part of the chosen people
>>68173979
Anyone else don't give a shit about this meme fighter?
Fucking WWE babbies on ariels balls for wuining le supwise. Who give's a shit.
watching the mma hour now
anyone have any tutorials on how to stop crying?
so is bork fighting after jones vs dc?
Guys, let this be a lesson to you.
Take away a Jews free stuff and face the wrath.
if ariel is half the journalist he thinks he is he knew perfectly well how dana and the bros would react if he pissed them off
Who will win Mark Hunt or Brock Lesnar?
>>68175346
What objective profit is there to canning your most popular journalist?
An early utterly inconsequential leak?
It's a personal vendetta and nothing else. They are being guided by emotions
>>68175416
my thoughts exactly ... how is bork relevant today still boggles my mind. is ufc the new lellator ?
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/6/6/11870434/ufc-199-media-condemns-ufc-treatment-ariel-helwani-brock-lesnar-return-report-mma-news
-Jeff Fagenheim of the Washington Post gave his thoughts, saying that, "away from the arena lights, the UFC showed why it lingers on the infantile fringe of the sports world."
Ariel's morals got in his way of having a comfy job for life with the UFC. Silly lad.
>>68175396
I said you asked for reason behind reason, something almost subconscious, it's stupid and you're stupid for asking.
It's like asking what makes you happy, then someone gives you an answer, then you ask them why that something is the reason
Why haven't you killed yourself?
>>68175432
>I know how the UFC calculates the value of Helwani and I can say for certain he is valuable to them overall
:^)
Nice MBA bra, which school you go to?
>>68175321
The way rockhold sort of shivers/twitches at the end always makes me feel a bit nauseus
>>68175431
>Rose favours Brock over Hunto
DROPPED
>>68174235
>Signs that she's into you: she licks her lips.
>>68175448
Ariel was on Zuffa payroll while reporting on the UFC. Morals?
>>68175446
is he wrong though?
>>68175446
Are you a div or what? Like legitimately?
>>68175446
>Jeff Fagenheim
>heim
everytime
http://www.strawpoll.me/10416483
>>68175458
How do you know he isn't?
Your circular logic serves you absolutely nothing.
You can't say the UFC are acting in profititable ways then tell me I don't know what they are
Are you part of the UFC brass? Of course not, you're a fat underemployed NEET
>>68175450
>reason behind a reason
But you having give the ANY reasons yet. You just say it is unfair.
How does Ariel getting his credentials taken away affect him?
I presume he won't be able to attend media days and have backstage access. Whilst he will still have all his sources and be able to provide scoops before the UFC as well as have MMA hour.
>>68175463
>liking that cum stain hunt
>referring to him affectionately as "hunto"
yeah i'm mad
>>68175406
Ah I see. The comparison between taxis and ubers was confusing me.
>>68175468
DELETE THIS
>>68175212
>White House petitions
>You are now reminded of the time that potheads got Obama to respond to the Nick Diaz suspension
>>68175488
That is a reason you fucking retard. You even said this and now you're backtracking.
You continue to not actually argue anything.
>>68175448
funny how his morals didn't have a problem when he was shilling for the ufc
>>68175465
this is not suprising though hes good looking
too bad hes an autist
>>68175493
It's not just that though, mate. If the UFC doesn't want a fighter to talk to him, they won't let it happen. They're threatening to take away this man's livelihood
>>68175511
Ah I forgot
>just because ITS TOTALLY UNFAIR
You've convinced me.
DOWN WITH DANA
>Eugene, you're Ariel Helwani...
MUUUUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>68175528
Not sure how they can stop someone from talking to him during their free time though, not legally enforceable.
>>68175487
I think his assumption is that because the UFC, being a multi-billion dollar company, is probably going to attempt to make profitable decisions.
>>68175511
Calling a decision stupid or unfair or wrong or any other possible words with negative connotations are not reasons. At most this would be considered ad-hom.
>>68175529
It's unfair because it's unfair.
>>68175529
>ask for why you think a subjective issue is like this
>okay, I think it's unfair and excessive. I don't think the punishment is adjusted accordingly to what he did.
>BUT TELL US HOW YOUR BRAIN PROCESSED THE INFORMATION IN THIS WAY
You literally have autism.
what did they mean by this
god damn it dana
why'd you have to make a fellow canadian cry
>>68173979
fuck this loser hope he becomes homeless
>brock lesnar returning at ufc 200
>he;s fighting a fat old tomato can
>mfw this is the co main event of a milestone event
>>68175537
>white people should feel guilty, its fucking horrible
apparently my boy hendo got 800k for killing lombard
>>68175066
Why does Broke Lisner skip leg day?
Hunt couldn't stop double legs from 10 feet out against Miocic and Lesnar cuts to 265. Hunt only heems people who trade with him. People need to stop meme'ing.
>>68175581
>800k to beat up some can
what a fucking deal
>>68175561
>a subjective issue is like
We're asking you why you're holding to a particular ethical judgement, we're not asking you what your favourite colour is.
>>68175571
LOL:LLL
>>68175556
>is probably going to attempt to make profitable decisions
Like pulling Conor off UFC 200? Like making Lawler-Woodley?
I can't possibly imagine why anyone thinks it's out of the realm of possibility for a company to cut ties even if it drags them down a little bit. You can't say for sure either way. It's why you discuss
>are not reasons
Except they are. "Why do you disagree?" Because I think it's unfair and excessive. An ad hominem would be dismissing the credibility of the opposition because they're gay or autistic
I'm disputing their position, not attacking them
>>68175591
bork hasnt traned ufc for who knows how long
>>68175592
yeah tho he nearly got killed himself
my other boy cruz made 350k
>>68175569
What did le jew ever do to you?
>>68174573
Did you watch the card? Reyes vs Kim obv
>>68175591
i hope mark hunt is paralyzed unofficially and literally, brock i hope recovers from his health problems and lives to be at least 80
Post yfw Hunt walk away heems Bork
>>68175613
>Cruz is his boy
I like you.
>>68175614
hes just a fag hack
>>68175613
>bork hasnt traned ufc for who knows how long
Hunto has been fighting for a couple decades and doesn't look like he's ever trained shit besides competitive eating and WorldStar videos.
>>68175601
Because that's what I believe? Do you retards still actually think you're gaining some argument points by asking this? You're asking the why to the why. It's stupid and irrelevant.
You ask for why I disagree and I say because it's excessive, stupid, and unreasonable. Then you're asking why I think that?
In what world does this make any sense? You are all fucking stupid
>>68175569
NYC is expensive as fuck. He might have to move back to your country. He's a '''''''''''''''''''''proud canadian'''''''''''' after all
Brock signed his latest contract with the WWE in March of this year.
In that contract was the option to fight for the UFC.
Bork has known since March at the latest that he was going to fight again.
He's definitely been traneing some UFC and staying in shape
>>68175642
kek
>>68174865
Any source for this? You can submit your USADA application without it getting published according to chael
>>68175628
>yfw Brock Stipes Hunt
>>68175642
Stop memeing lad, he's a K1 kickboxer
>some goof journalist gets heemed by dana
>there are people unironically mad because of it
just enjoy the heems lads
>lesnar at 200 is a big ""fuck you"" to mcgoobs from dana
>>68175704
Kek
>>68175709
Take the L
>>68175704
I'M THE MONEY MAKER LAD
THE BIGGEST DRAW
>>68175709
lol best image ever
>mfw the high quality memes have been pouring in at such an incredible rate the past few weeks that the gems are being left behind and forgotten in the dirt
post your best recent, yet seemingly forgotten /heem/ memes lads
>>68175694
With a 30-13 record. Nobody's saying he wouldn't win a kickboxing match, budeh
>>68175610
They probably have reasons which aren't privy to the public about why their decisions could be the most profitable. Off the top of my head, there's probably diminishing returns with over-stacking the 200 card and they would sell more buys overall by putting Nate and Conor on 202, Conor might have wanted more time to prepare for Nate, or any number of reasons that we as outsiders have no idea about.
Your argument is that the UFC's decision about revoking Ariel's privileges was wrong. Calling the decision unfair and excessive without evidence or rationale is considered ad-hom because you are essentially calling the decision bad names in an attempt to justify your position, similar to calling someone autistic.
>>68175651
Dude you're literally retarded.
You started this while argument by saying zuffa violated Ariel's first amendment rights and you've been backtracking ever since.
Sorry bud, but it's time to go back now.
>>68175723
We get it man. You're dumb and unable to articulate yourself. A lot of children get frustrated when they can't explain their emotions. You'll get there.
>ITS JUST LIKE SO UNFAIR
Post some webms of Brock getting heem'd.
All the /asp/ fucks swarming the threads for the next couple of weeks.
my mate Ariel and I
Bork won't win, but assuming he does, how would he do it?
>>68175798
Needs a takedown in the first 30 seconds and a dominant first round.
>>68175798
Knock out in 10 seconds
>>68175790
>that hair
JUST
>>68175628
>mfw Brock ko's Hunt with a knee right up the middle, just like Werdum did
>>68175812
Post submission specialists
>>68175743
>that we as outsiders have no idea about
Exactly my point. So I don't see the point in being so absolutist either way. If someone is gonna say "they're clearly acting in profits" then you shouldn't be all haughty if someone disputes that idea
>without evidence
It's out there. It's a completely subjective issue however and I'm giving my opinion
>rationale
The rational is that it is excessive what part of this don't you fucking understand?
Calling a punishment excessive is not ad hominem, you do not know what ad hominem means
>State that I disagree
>Why?
>Because I think the punishment is excessive and does not equate to the alleged wrongdoing.
>Yeah but why?
What the fuck does this even mean?
You saying you disagree with my rationale isn't an argument either then
This goes both ways. You're arguing against your own logic or you acknowledge that disagreeing with a viewpoint as irrational and the punishment not fitting the crime, is in itself irrational
In other words you're a deliberately confusing dumbass because you know you can't actually argue against the idea that the UFC was acting petuantly
>>68175734
it's not a meme just cause you spammed it a couple times
hunt gonna lose cuz his opponent is a walking PED
>>68175651
In a debate you should be prepared to argue your position.
For example, if you were trying to claim the decision was stupid because it negatively affected the company's bottom line because Ariel did a lot of promotion for the UFC and cited facts about his followers and sales, you could make that case. Or you could claim it is unfair because people in extremely similar circumstances have not been banned, etc. You should try to come up with reasons rather than simply stating that something is wrong or bad and leave it at that because no one is going to accept such an unfounded argument.
>you now realise you had already forgotten about helwani's dead mma journalist career
>>68175591
Hunt stuffs takedowns like they're nothing most of the time. The reason Miocic was able to get him down was because he'd feint out Hunt's check hook then dive under it (something Brock wont do). In the later rounds after Hunt was beaten down badly he didn't even need to do that. If Brock just charges him early he's catching an uppercut like he did in the Cain fight but instead of just wobbling around he'll go to sleep.
>>68175756
>by saying Zuffa violated Ariel's first amendment rights
Didn't say anything remotely to that effect. Perhaps you have trouble understanding what I'm saying because you're a fucking retard
>>68175769
>ask for why I think it's bad
>it's unfair, punishment doesn't fit the crime
>YEAH BUT WHY
I'm not sure what you're even arguing at this point. You keep trying to argue facts of the matter when it's completely subjective
Mainly because you're a wittle butthurt aspie that knows he has no actual argument
>>68175812
douchebag murr channeling paul harris
>>68175886
Brock is by far the best wrestler Hunt has ever fought.
>>68175885
if helwani and just stopped reporting out of the blue i would never have noticed and there'd be 1 reddit post for 30 replies saying "guess he quit?"
but cause he got cut off the teeth of the UFC ITS LITERALLY MORALLY INEXCUSABLE
>>68175865
lesnar is going to sleep
How many meals a day MINIMUM? For martial artists?
Sean McCorkle vs Mark Hunt
Watch it
>>68175652
never even knew he was canadian lmao
you guys can keep him
>>68173979
Fucking kill yourself
>>68175858
calm down Robin, go work on your next meme breakdown
>rooting for Jones over Daniel "Pillsberry Throwboy" Cormier
>>68175887
You literally said Ariel was exercising his first amendment rights.
Jesus, I've never seen someone go full retard this hard.
>>68175875
I am arguing my position. I am saying the UFC is acting irrationally and the punishment doesn't fit the crime. Your intentional confusion with this does not mean I did not state a position or not make an argument.
It is you being a retard and being unable to argue something that isn't black and white
>because Ariel did a lot of promotion for the UFC and cited facts about his followers
I said he was the biggest journalist, which he is. This is already established.
You haven't actually refuted a single point I've made. You haven't made a single counterpoint. You've just spent this entire time being as intentionally dumb as possible to avoid the actual discussion
>or you could claim it is unfair because people in extremely similar circumstances have not been banned
I don't know of any specific things like this
This is why we have discussion and not make idiotic conclusions after a point has been made
You either provide a counterpoint or just concede you didn't know that you were actually arguing the subjective side of this, an ethical thing
This is you continuously twisting things because you cannot address that argument
When Nick Diaz was unjustly suspended for 5 years, Ariel made sure that he constantly mentioned it over and over again on all of his programs until the ban was lifted. We need to do the same for Ariel. We need to harass the fuck out of the UFC for as long as this lasts until they do the same. Ariel fought for an injustice. Now it's time for us to do the same for him.
![13398421_596779907153497_1239568550_n[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FSdlJta.jpg "13398421 596779907153497 1239568550 n[1]")
>"ARIEL WAS NEVER MY FR-"
>>68175931
ya apparently he's a proud canadian despite leaving your country when he went to college
>>68175887
I already told you, we get that your mad and unable to explain why.
>it's unfair because it is unfair
Lol
Keep venting. You'll eventually find the peace you seek.
>mfw brock will soon unironically be 5-4 in professional mixed martial arts competition
Who has beaten Mark in the UFC? JDS, Werdum, and Miocic.
Hunto has heem'd Mir, Bigface, Big Country, Struve and Kongo
>>68175904
He has shit house set ups for takedowns, he just charges people, which considering his insane speed can work a lot of the time. Stipe doesn't, Stipe sets up his takedowns by drawing out his opponent so he can dive on their hips like most fighters who are known for their wrestling in MMA (GSP's entire career depended on this). Cain didn't defend Brock's takedown because he's the superior wrestler or anything, he defended it because he punched Brock square in the face.
>>68175961
>We
>(You)
Fuck off. I don't know him and really don't care what happens to him.
>>68175953
>you literally said Ariel was excerising his first amendment rights
And what? In what world does this mean "zuffa violated his rights!!!!" That's right, to anyone who isn't as fucking autistic as you. it doesn't mean that at all. It's you twisting words because you continue to be unable to argue anything.
You being confused or not is completely irrelevant at this point. You understand the point. You just haven't refuted it. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing because I've upset you
>>68175973
neither of his parents were born in canada either
>>68175981
Sean McCorkle lol
Fuck ariel, heem is pro dana helwani fags go back to r/mma to cry
http://deadspin.com/blackballed-mma-reporter-admits-he-was-ufcs-paid-shill-1780851837
>>68175979
You didn't say anything. I gave you an explanation then you asked for an explanation to the explanation as if you were looking for some psychological explanation
I can't possibly imagine why you'd keep up with an obviously moot point unless you were desperate to get something out of this argument, which you are. Mainly pride since I can feel you seething with rage
>>68176005
He also beat Rothwell via decision
>>68175985
That's some katana level edge right there.
>What's your reasoning behind this?
>It's this
>Okay, but what about the facts
>This is a debate of ethics, there are no "facts" to this either way
>But what about the facts?
-Retards
>>68176014
Really makes you think. Guess I'm a #DanaDrone now
>tfw brock, dc and jose pull out from 200
We won't have the intact card and you know it
We're all forgetting the point: Paige VanZant's real surname is Sletten and her brother is in prison for sexually molesting a boy and possession of CP.
>realize casuals think Brock will wrestlefuck
>realize Brock thinks this is a winnable fight
tip top kek
>>68175993
Him spoiling a big announcement for the UFC is not exercising his first amendment rights you idiot.
Your argument is that your butthurt we get it, now fuck off.
>>68176014
>Today, though, on his own popular weekly broadcast The MMA Hour, Helwani went well past admitting to being a less than objective MMA journalist. In a surreal two-hour broadcast that ended with him crying while talking about his family fleeing to Canada from the Middle East under threat of persecution, Helwani admitted to having done things while covering the UFC for Fox Sports and Vox Media that would have gotten his ass thrown to the curb by any respectable media operation.
>The biggest of these was admitting that his checks for appearing on Fox’s pre- and post-fight shows were signed by Zuffa, UFC’s parent company. As Helwani explained it, his checks went from Fox to Zuffa to Helwani, and he accepted this, despite extensively describing how he learned in journalism school that this was absolutely something he shouldn’t have done
wew
So which brother is wearing the big boy pants, Frank or Lorenzo?
Listening to ariel on mma hour and he IS FUCKING CRYING RIGHT WTF YOU FUCKING MADE ARIEL CRY WTF ARE YOU GOING TO DO NEXT START SHOOTING PEOPLE!???!? FYCK YOU DANA YOU BALD TURD AND FUCK YOU LORENZO AND YOUR CREEPY BROTHER
>>68176067
He has freedoms to do that, that's hardly the issue here anyways you fucking retard
>Your argument is that you're butthurt
My argument is the the UFC is acting irrationally, that's entirely subjective but your perturbed retard ass can't understand that despite me outright stating it multiple times
>fuck off
So mad
a quick reminder.
people you should support if you care about the sport:
>hunto
>dana
>sage northcutt
>diaz brothers
>miesha
>jones
people who hurt the sport:
>ronda
>conor
>ariel
>diaz
>brazilians
>>68176080
Frank's nose is worse than Ariel's
>>68176083
Keep listening. When he hits rock bottom, he literally pulls a holocaust card.
>>68176014
I remember idiots arguing with me after he got fired from fox that the UFC had no say in what UFC on fix did. Lmao right now.
>>68176073
So now people care about ethics if the Jew did something wrong
You're all anti-semites, it all makes sense now
>people are actually butthurt about some retard getting fired
>>68176014
>deadspin
m8 pls
>>68176067
Actually, tard, that's exactly what it is. Nice b8 tho.
>>68176088
mark hunt'''''''''''''o'''''''''''''''' needs to fuck off and die
didn't /heem/ despise hunt before
>>68175875
>Person A and B both make an extravagant claim
>Only one of them is liable to prove their point
>>68176014
>deadspin
fuck off nigger
>>68176088
cuck detected
>>68176114
Ariel is Jewish but the Ferttita's aren't white either.
>>68175925
doesnt he eat like 12 meals everyday
>>68176087
You have confused your opinion with an argument. An argument has reasons to support an opinion. You've just angrily stated your opinion over and over. Its actually hilarious. I wish you could see yourself like everybody else does - it seems like you could do with a laugh.
>get banned for fucking with someones business
>go on the radio and literally cry
What a fucking bitch, how can anyone support this idiot
Robin Black is annoying as fuck to me. I dont get him at all.
fuck Dan White #FreeAriel
Mandrama ariel fags >>>/out/
>>68176088
Good for the sport
>No Carlos Condit
>No Frank Mir
>No THE CHRIS
>Miesha listed instead
plz, women's fighting is a total meme and the only legit female MMA fighter who is a UFC regular is Claudia even though shes HUE.
>>68176114
>pulling the jew card
never fails
>>68176137
No hunt is the king of heems
can't wait for mcgregger's new memes, he's probably at home scribbling on a notepad as we speak
>>68176161
>tell someone he doesn't need the UFC's permission to drop a scoop
>beat him up and spit on him and fire him when he does
Ariel isn't even my boy but this whole thing is fucked. Dana and the Frittatas are just scumbags.
>>68175980
>he thinks brock lesnar is going to lose to some fat can crusher
lmao at your fucking life retard
>>68176156
There is a reason. I have stated it. You not accepting it doesn't change that.
>Why do you disagree?
>It's irrational and the punishment doesn't fit the crime
>Yeah but why?
This is a reason, followed by you asking for a reason for a reason like a fucking retard. Still not actually engaging in any discussion. Because you have no argument.
You're basically just asking for facts in a discussion that has almost nothing to do with it. it's debating the ethics of certain actions. And again you can't do this, because you don't have an argument. So you're reduced to just pretending to not being fuming with tears right now in an attempt to salvage your pride
if ariel wasn't jewish y'all would be champing at the bit to defend him. he's provided so many great moments and helped construct some of the best and funniest narratives, constantly giving a platform to fighters to show who they really are outside of the ufc's sterile corporate marketing.
for a true fite fan heems and heem memes reign supreme. ariel is a prime purveyor of the latter. if you don't support ariel you are literally a casual and should gtfo.
Dana and the Fertittas are just pissed because Ariel stands up for fighters and fans. He promotes better fighter pay and rights. That challenges the UFC, they don't like when someone challenges them. They are just dirty Las Vegas wannabe gangsters. Ariel keep up the good work, don't change.
>>68176156
>like everybody else does -
fucking cringe
>>68176137
i've always hated him going back to K1
>>68176219
>believing jewish sob stories
oy vey, I think it was actually 8 gorillion this time!
And they made bottled water out of his tears too!
>>68175957
You saying the UFC is acting irrationally is not an argument. That is a statement which, without evidence, is useless in any form of debate. I could say you are wrong and irrational as well, but we both should be able to cite reasons and explanations for such conclusions, otherwise we could continue calling each other wrong without advancing the discussion in any way.
Subjectivity is not a protection from criticism and most people with disagree with you if you cannot support your claims.
He does have a large following, but most people who listen to his podcast are already purchasing product from the UFC. Ariel himself said that his entire show is only around today because of the support from Dana. Ariel has also objectively worsened the product by disclosing promotional information. Again, neither of us can say with any certainty whether or not banning Ariel was a profitable decision or not. My argument is that because the UFC is a billion dollar company, they probably know more than either of us and probably act in their own best interest, this is a reasonable assumption because self-interest is a defining trait of people and corporations.
The only "points" I've seen are you calling people names and that the UFC is wrong and that your opinions are immune from criticism from their subjectivity, to which I have stated that we can have rational arguments even about subjective material.
People in similar situations than Ariel have been banned for much less, he has been given numerous opportunities, been told by the UFC that they do not like what he is doing, and was on Zuffa's payroll while reporting on the UFC, which is fragrantly unethical according to virtually all schools of journalism.
Holy shit, Hendo got 800 grand
http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/6/6/11870174/ufc-199-salaries-dan-henderson-tops-payroll-with-800000
>>68176260
they were out to get him ever since he gave rory a platform to talk about free agency. some """""jew""""" huh. brock was just a convenient excuse.
post pics of fighters who weren't your boy but are now your boy
>>68176128
Right, please show me where the UFC is a government entity you fucking retard?
>>68176231
If you say your favourite colour is blue and someone asks you why, then you wouldn't require justification because no one but you could determine the answer to such a question. It's purely subjective. Any, or no, reason would be appropriate.
But when you're talking about something which exists separately from yourself then you are no longer talking about something purely subjective. Things, people, courses of action, etc, have an objective nature to them, and when you declare these things to be "excessive", "stupid", "unreasonable", etc, then you are attempting to characterise its nature. One of the reasons people discuss things is for the sake of determining what this objective reality is. People may see things differently, and may hold different opinions, but we argue for these opinions in order to better determine which is closer to the objective truth. This is the basis of ethical inquiry.
Your argument seems to hinge around the assumption that all judgements are purely subjective, that there is no objectivity whatsoever, and therefore you can hold any position about anything and require no justification greater than "because that's how I feel."
>>68176288
hello casual, perhaps /r/mma would be more your speed.
>>68176255
i don't support the existence of jews or corporations whose side should i be on?
>>68176260
>the jew is the good guy, he fights for equality and social justice!
lel, when will this meme belief die?
>>68176316
The memes is always a safe choice.
>>68176304
>implying I implied that
stay dumb and mad
>>68176161
kek ... i like how we waited until the end to cry too.
>>68176088
>people you should support if you care about the sport
>diaz brothers
>people who hurt the sport
>diaz
>>68176316
>>68176329
and ariel is a prime meme supplier, hence /heem/'s dedicated support
post your favorite Dana reaction pics
>>68176329
good advice i support memes
>>68176299
Will he support Ariel?
>I care about ethics and fairness in business
>I don't care a journalist was paid by the company he reported on which is unethical
>>68176361
his wife looks old as hell
who /waiting to hear what schaub says before making an opinion/ here?
>>68176368
does anyone have the picture of him standing on a box?
>>68176368
what does it matter, he's not relevant anymore after being heemed by MM
>>68176275
>>68176309
But it's unfair because
>>68176343
>siding with a "man" who uses crocodile tears, sob stories and female tier dramatics to garner sympathy after being thrown out for spoiling news that the league likely wanted to hype itself.
I understand you have no clue how marketing works, but Ariel was a little faggot stealing the league's thunder in order to increase his own journalistic merit. He got caught, he got dealt with, and then he fucking cried about it on air.
I don't care if he's jewish, he's a manipulative little cunt who is out for himself and deserved what happened to him.
Just listen to MMA Hour, Jewriel crying his jewish crocodile tears
I lost my respect for him
Did Ariel really think this tell all interview would get him credentials back?
>>68174235
>tfw your only friend is your corporate sponsor
>>68174669
just realized that was actually a decent up kick by faber. could you imagine?
i would just stop watching mma since there would be no way a card could get any better.
>>68176275
>is not an argument
Except it is, you disagreeing isn't an argument either then, you whining about this entire thing isn't an argument either then. Again your circular logic fails you or you acknowledge you've been retarded this whole time
>without evdience
What fucking evidence? This is completely subjective. You're still a fucking dumbass that doesn't get this.
>but we should both be able to cite reasons
Because banning Ariel for leaking a story that otherwise was utterly inconsequential was stupid. Like I've said. Like you've stupidly ignored. Like you've failed to actually refute
>calling each other wrong
No, we'd have a point counterpoint. But you haven't provided a counterpoint so you've decided to not make one and here we are now. We're debating a complex issue, obviously nothing is going to come as easily as debating the effects of a chemical compound on the human body. This is what you continue to intentionally ignore
>subjectivity is not protection from criticism
I didn't say otherwise, dumbass. Saying something isn't an argument simply because you disagree isn't an argument either however. Your circular logic has been pointed out already and you continue to ignore it
>are already purchasing product from the UFC
Relevance?
>because of the support from Dana
And now they have mutual benefits. T
>neither of us can with any certainty
Then don't fucking argue either way you dumbass. But again this is why we have discussion and not jump to the idiotic conclusions you are after the first fucking point was made
I made an argument that the UFC hasn't always made business-friendly interests. You can't criticize me for saying something without concrete evidence then do the exact same thing.
The only point you've made is conclusively ignoring what a reason and rationale are. We discussed your "citing" things then you completely went off track again for no reason at all.
>>68176334
Do you not know what the first amendment is?
>>68176421
>spoiling news
>All those morons who were arguing with me telling me unironically that Ariel was right in leaking news
>>68176343
Heem stands with dana go back to r/mma
>ariel supporters: he provides great content, interviews, and a platform for fighters; has been responsible for many great moments and stories over the years
>ariel haters: jew jew jew jew jew JEW JEW JEW JEEEEEEEWSSSS I HATE JEWWWWSSS
>>68176380
An inconvenient truth
>>68175812
>taps 4 times without the ref noticing
>It's Steve
>>68176432
No, and I think he realized he's done for so he went all out with the interview. I still think he'll get his credentials back though.
>>68176309
I made my point and discussed multiple things and no one has made a counterpoint
You've kept reverting back to the original reason and not actually delving into any actual discussion
The times where we briefly had discussion were idiotically dismissed by you with your circular logic
"The UFC was acting profitable because I know and you don't"
That's where it ended and that's why we're back to you arguing for the sake of arguing. because you're a fucking retard and realize you have no actual argument to this.
>>68176467
He's a paid shill who can't even do his job as a paid shill right and got fired
Why do I care about a paid shill that you think is a journalist?
HEY GOOFS GET READY WE'RE GOING TO DROP A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT UFC 200 DURING THE PPV TONIGHT
>>68176467
>>ariel haters: jew jew jew
But this isn't true though you redditer. I despise /pol/turds and even I think what he did was scummy.
>>68176488
where did i call him a journalist? idgaf about that shit and you should stop pretending you do either. i care about content, irl OC. ariel provides it, you nigger.
>>68176446
>follow me: I leak all the juicy details first and without consent!
>help me further my career while I pretend to take on the tough issues and be "for the people"
>really its all about the people subscribing to me, hehe fuckin tards!
I'm so tried of this shit tier social business model working, are people really so stupid they fall for it every single time?
I bet you also subscribe to Gawker media.
>>68176448
>leaking news
>>68176512
anyone can do paid shill work
you think interviewing fighters will end now? lolz
>>68176507
that's nice princess
>>68176487
I must have missed the part where you explained why you think Zuffa is acting unfairly.
>>68176275
To continue from my first response, we literally have discussed "facts" and what not "evidence", then it has been put to the side once I pointed out the idiotic circular logical points that you were presenting.
>People in similar situations
Such as?
>banned for much less
Why does that make any of the bannings ethically right? Why is the UFC some universally correct authority here?
>>68176487
>>68176444
>this aggressive autism
Bro, we understand you don't like what Dana did. If you can't explain why you think it is unfair nobody cares. You're just crying.
>>68176527
Uh oh did I hurt a polturd's feelings?
>>68176526
>all interviewers are the same
casual pls
>>68176532
We had this discussion, you brought up stupid shit about corporations that was ultimately undone by your own logic
"I know the UFC's numbers and you don't"
And again, we're back here because you're a fucking retard that doesn't actually know to how to argue
Tell me about your best friend, /heem/
The UFC sells a narrative and suffers a theoretic financial hit if that is spoiled, like any other form of media entertainment. Helwani, an employee of the UFC, spoils the UFC's narrative, and thus becomes a financial liability to the company - justifying the firing.
Anybody supporting Helwani in this situation, has no logical justification for him being rehired, rather they're just fanboys of the #1 professional fanboy and should probably heem themselves.
>paid shills are unethical but banning paid shills from shilling is way more unethical
t. cuckold goldberg fanclub
>>68176572
He doesn't know I exist.
>>68176535
I explained multiple times to you already. And within that I've explained this thing I've been saying multiple times. Again, we talked about "facts" and '"citing", and it boiled down to something that was ultimately fruitless as it came to you dismissing my point because "we don't know for sure", well that goes both ways in this case
>>68176576
>Anybody supporting Helwani in this situation, has no logical justification for him being rehired, rather they're just fanboys of the #1 professional fanboy and should probably heem themselves.
Agreed. This thread has made this very clear.
>>68176576
taking his press access =/ firing him
Was genuinely considering going to 202 until this Ariel business
>>68176576
Go ahead and prove that theoretical financial hit then, go ahead and prove that liability when it's quite evident that no one was actually spoiled in the literal sense of feeling undone by knowing Brock's return so early
Based Brock gonna heem Hunt unconscience
>>68176576
>>68176588
the ufc didn't hire or fire him you fucking moron.
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>>68176507
>I despise /pol/turds
Shut up before I shut you up.
>>68176617
I'm sure Dana is just crying about losing your patronage.
#FreeStitchDurant
>Ariel cost the UFC money!!!!
>Well he probably actually didn't
>You have no proof of that, you lose!!!!
-Zuffa autists
>>68176617
now you're definitely going?
>>68176620
Who signed his checks at fox?
>>68176566
I'm not even the person you're referring to. All my previous posts have been trying to get you to justify the negative judgements you've been making about Zuffa (unfair, irrational, abuse of rights, etc). So far all you've said on this account is that you think it's unfair because it's unfair as though a judgement were a justification in itself.
>>68174946
>It's making you look dumber than you already are.
that'd be you, bro
hey
I bet Scott Coker is lighting up Ariel's phone
>>68176658
hello my white friend
>>68176648
>zuffa zombie: the post
If anyone was on Ariel's side, theyre not after this autist trading up the thread.
>>68176642
>the multi-billion dollar doesn't know what is profitable, they're so stupid!
>listen to me! the anonymous poster on 4chan!
>>68176445
Do you not know where the United States is?
>you're wrong, you should be used to it honestly
>>68175459
Pretty common when coming to after being knocked out/choked out
Can someone explain how his family being deported was relevant to this situation
>>68176682
>trading up the thread
what does that even mean
>>68176648
>trying to get you to justify the negative judgments
Then perhaps you should actually check the discussion where we discussed some of the "facts' behind this and it AGAIN boiled down to circular logic which concluded that there is nothing to be known for sure
>>68176654
Good one
>>68176629
You couldn't shut up a 10 year old you weak as piss twat.
>>68176699
oy vey muh sob story
>>68176642
>The anonymous poster from 4chan.com who thinks that leakages in the promotion business are irrelevant
Zuffa doesn't need any shills or a personal army, but Ariel sure does and that's what you are..
>>68176687
So you're just deferring to a higher authority with no actual understanding of it yourself
You completely exclude the possibility Zuffa would cut ties with something even if it meant they took a slight profitable hit
Like pulling Conor off 200
This has been discussed. It boiled down to you being retarded
>>68176682
You're not fooling anyone
>>68176688
>I think the UFC is a government entity that Ariel can break any news about
What the fuck are you even talking about at this point? Where is the United States?
Are you just being retarded on purpose now?
>>68176713
>american
>saying twat
>>68176591
True, but taking away his press access is justifiable for the same reasons.
>>68176618
I can't prove it - that's why it's theoretical. The concept would be that the UFC would want to withhold that info so that they could provide more incentive to buy ppvs, thus allowing the UFC to profit from the teaser.
Then again I'd be implying that anyone purchases ppvs, but still it's understandable that they'd want to set a precedent here so they can sell more of them.
>>68176738
>grown american male
>watches anime
it's not about money, it's about allegiance. They saw the lesnar scoop as a betrayal for some clicks. They probably expected him to be above this and not spoil the announcement, since he is one of their shills
>>68176672
It's not about Zuffa specifically so much as it's about this ridiculous idea that a company is unethical for retracting the press privileges of a journalist who is acting contrary to the company's interests.
>>68176710
You're going to have to link/quote this because I literally have no idea what you're even referring to anymore. I'm quite sure you're mistaking me for someone else.
>>68176733
Go ahead and explain then. Go ahead and explain the permanent damages the UFC has had in profits and business from the Brock leak
And that banning Ariel is a business smart decision
New thread
>>68176748
>>68176748
>>68176748
>>68176748
Keep it nice and flowy in there
>>68176736
>I'm this dumb
Holy kek, listen, Ariel is an American citizen in the United States, he can say whatever he wants. Dana White can ban whoever he wants. That's how it works, you can't do anything about it fucking deal with it you ridiculous kid.
>>68176699
shut the fuck up you filthy goy. are you an anti-semite?
>>68176710
>a whole thread later and the discussion is still going on
you've been writing walls of text where you say nothing other than "I don't agree with it" without actually explaining why and then get annoyed with people telling you the paragraphs you've included contain absolutely no arguments at all and often are just flat out stupid (e.g. your mention of the first amendment)
give it up
>>68176743
>that's why it's theoretical
Thanks for fucking actually saying something sensible for the first time
So you cannot criticize me for not knowing otherwise when it's literally the same for you.
This is where your argument then devolved into actual ad-hominem, calling mine emotional and nothing else
>>68176754
I'm not mistaking you for anyone. I simply referenced something so that you'd actually find it. Please read harder and actually take some time yourself
>>68175571
what did you mean by this?
post your favourite helwanis
>>68176767
>>68176736
this called getting handled with facts
go home kid
>>68176811
such a huge head.
>>68176787
These are my posts in this thread:
>>68174444
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>>68174668
>>68174885
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>>68175206
>>68175377
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>>68175601
>>68176309
>>68176532
>>68176648
>>68176754
There is nothing even remotely close to anything you referred to here:
>>68176710
>>68176905
>autism
when is cm punk fighting
>>68176905
Why the fuck are you so stupid to still think I'm confusing with anyone? I've not accused to be anyone after the initial apparent mistake
>there is nothing even remotely close
That's your issue then, we've clearly discussed this, clearly
>>68176905
give up, he's literally an idiot
>>68175662
>the look on your face when you bout to suck off jon and you aint stoppin even if hes nuttin
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