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wew lads
no amd amx
Will Mercedes ever lose a race again?
>hamrosvet
Sixth for badgergp and 1 hour between posts.
thanks bernie:
>I don’t think we have to have an Italian Grand Prix. Somebody once told me a funny thing that you couldn’t have Formula 1 without a race in France. But we do
How to fix F1, in one easy step:
>Give them F5000s
Done. Fuck the future.
>>66438278
>But we do
The absolute madman
First car to arrive in Bahrain
>>66438278
Source on this.
Also, can't wait for this old fuck to drop. But then, who would take over?
Sergio "speed beard" Perez will have his yearly podium this weekend
>>66438365
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2016/03/bernie-ecclestone-says-21-f1-races-is-enough-but-monza-on-the-brink/
>>66438438
not if he is as awful as he was in melbourne. if he is, his team mate has a better chance (if both qualify 9th and 10th again).
>>66438455
Never underestimate the speed beard
>>66438455
>Hülkenberg
>podium
Top meme
>>66438594
i don't. but, if he has a shit start and can't get past cars again, he's fucked. he even got passed by a mclaren in australia.
>>66438600
tyre compounds are harder this year, which should suit him. i can't see it happening, but it's his best chance.
>>66438358
could someone make a
>ha ha! time for /f1/!
pic with a before and after of Alonso's crash
stopped watching F1 years ago. I see the rules keep getting dumber and more convoluted. what are the chances of a breakaway championship where it's just about fast? sky getting all the races is gonna kill this off anyway right?
>>66438778
breakaway will never happen. can't race on the same tracks as f1. who governs the breakaway series, and what of sponsors?
the sky deal only kills british viewership - there are other markets.
Ferrari and Mercedes are in a league of their own. Williams is further back than last year. Red Bull and Toro Rosso are off the pace as well.
It will require multiple retiremenets from all those teams to see a Force India on the podium and I don't think even le tyre strategy lad cheeky perez is going to be able to pull it off
Hulkenberg's chances of scoring a podium this season: 0%
Hulkenberg's chances of retiring from F1 after 2016: 50%
Hulkenberg's chances of driving for a better team than Force India in the future: 2%
>>66438808
without the UK there is no F1
80+% of the engineers, mechanics, designers, etc etc are British
All but three teams are British
75% of the tech suppliers are based in Britain
without British viewership there will be no new Brits coming into F1 in any capacity and all of those teams, suppliers and jobs will die off. It will take a while but if Bernie doesn't cancel the Sky deal it will be inevitable
>>66438808
there are plenty of tracks not being used. surely they could use whatever tracks are not on the calendar and there are usually countries that want to build their own just to be featured in F1.
>>66438831
he and perez are signed until the end of 2017. contracts mean little, i know.
>>66438844
maybe people will pay for sky if they want to watch f1? i don't really care - acestream mostly works fine.
>>66438856
and the money to market this series? how do you explain the new series to the public?
Ok /F1/, what do you think of the FIA Global Pathway.
>Has it been a success?
>Does it make better racing than F1?
>Is it fair?
>Would you spend the money on your kid to get cucked out of F3 because he doesn't have enough money?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Global_Pathway
>>66438438
heidfeld has a force india seat?
>>66438866
Nobody paid to watch Cricket on Sky and now no school child can name you an England cricketer.
>>66438870
Given that F2 hasn't started I don't think it is fair to judge but yeah I think it has done sort of okay.
Would prefer F2 to be more open so that it is also a team development and so a team would be better suited to making the jump to F1.
Also there needs to be an Asian F3 and American F3.
Grand prix weekends should ditch the current support series and run these instead.
>National F4 series
>Regional F3 series
>F2
>F1
So at Silverstone it would be
>British F4
>Euro F3
>F2
>F1
You just need to get more F3 series going.
Ultimately I'm happy that there is a logically stepped up pyramid of series going F4, F3, F2, F1.
>Gimi a shell of his former self
>Gimi will retire after this year after disappointing for 21 races straight
>Bottas will never win a race
>Bottas will never get a drive in a top team (and probably doesn't deserve one)
>No immediate future Finnish F1 hopefuls
>F1 will kill itself within the next 5 years and is going to be sold to an oil prince anyway
>Bernie and Todt will continue to make decisions well into their now-apparent dementia
Should I just end it now
Finland will never win again
>>66439095
you forgot
>Rosberg will win the championship and denounce entirely his Finnish heritage, instead claiming Swedish nationality
business idea: make F1 great again
>>66439179
I'd prefer this 2bh.
That race traitor can't even speak Finnish.
He should connect with his Finnish roots and kill himself due to being a beta-faggot.
>>66439217
he can speak Finnish he just chooses not to in order to appear more Aryan German
>>66439095
>Gimi a shell of his former self
People said that between 2008 and 2009 too, but then he started doing well again after Massa was KO'd. He also kept pace with Vettel, the current dominant best driver on the grid, in Australia. Don't rule him out yet.
>Bottas will never get a drive in a top team (and probably doesn't deserve one)
Deservedly or not, you know Wolff's going to drag him over to Mercedes soon.
Chanoch Nissany will win a race this year
>>66439357
Jolyon Palmer will finish on the podium once this season. My dubs guarantee it.
>>66439357
What is he even doing these days?
>>66439365
so close my son, just like Rio Haryanto will be to third place
>>66439365
Not that I actually believe this about Palmer but I do think Renault might be pretty decent eventually.
Even Red Bull is hyping up this upcoming Renault power unit upgrade, from Horner to Ricciardo everyone is saying it's going to basically make them much faster. Comparable to Ferraris 2014-2015 progress. And Renault didn't use many credits this off season as they are focusign them all on this big update. Even now their engine is seemingly a lot better than it was last year.
If professional Renault shittalker Horner is willing to praise how great this update is going to be, it suggests that it's probably going to be very good indeed. Red Bull claim that it is going to be so good that they will close the gap to Ferrari with it. This also suggests that Renault the team is going to see similar development in performance as well which could raise them to the levels of Force India and the points-scoring midfield in general. Update supposedly coming for Canada.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12525/10220991/las-vegas-has-f1-contract-reveals-bernie-ecclestone
CAESERS PALACE GRAYND PRICKS HERE WE COME BOYS
it's BahRaining
is there any reason why DRS shouldn't be allowed to be used ad libitum during races? it would add another dimension of skill, who has the balls to keep it open the longest before braking for example, and it would make much more sense than "you're allowed to use it only on a certain straight and only when someone's in front of you", which is retarded as fuck
or just get rid of it
>>66439848
Weren't there some races in the first year of DRS where the whole circuit was a DRS zone? I can't remember
And I think it would be a good idea if the power of the DRS was reduced a bit. At its current levels it would provide such a strong advantage that it would be unfair for the driver in front. But it would be cool to see DRS being used in parts of the track that aren't straights, like e.g. Blanchimont at Spa or 130R in Suzuka or Copse or any other high speed corner
Alternatively it could be a system where every driver has 10-20 instances of 10 seconds of DRS that they can use whenever and whereever on the track but that would be really gimmicky
>>66439848
It meant as a way to recover the time lost following another car, not an overtaking aid.
So as it currently is in theory if the cars had absolutely zero effect on each others aero then the current DRS passes would happen naturally.
Also they don't want them using it everywhere as it is considered potential dangerous in case it jams open.
>>66439848
Because of Monaco 2011, and the Perez incident, I guess. But it was supposed to be so, at first.
>>66439891
They could use DRS outside of zones in quali and practise. Red Bull would go flat with DRS open through 130R and blanchimont because only they could with the downforce they made.
>>66439848
DRS is a measure to counteract the effect of dirty air, not just to make laptimes faster and reduce downforce for lulz
>this thread
>this sport
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buG3sqBKc_o
F1 have finally started making quality content for youtube
>>66440279
>quality
>that monotonous voice
>that length
We could still do better.
>>66439612
OH FUCK
FINALLY A REASON FOR ME TO GO TO VEGAS
>close to losing Monza
>>66439612
>Vegas
get your teeth whitening kits ready :D
>>66440337
>AND SEBASTIAN COMES OUT OF TURN 4. HE IS GONNA FOLLOW IN HIS FATHERS FOOTSTEP AND WIN THE INDY 500. THE LIONHEART MARCHES ON.
>tfw it's gonna happen and there is absolutely nothing that will stop me crying when it happens
>tfw I'm fucking crying right now
I hope you are ready for it.
Will the American legend of FatJean continue? Will he finish in the points?
Captcha: stop fifth
>>66440453
fatal crash in baku
screencap this
>>66440453
Nope, it was just like Sauber did in Melbourne 2015.
I'd like to be wrong though.
>>66440467
>Marion breaking down in tears on camera when she is told Grosjean didn't make it
>Clutches on to Sacha and Simon for support
non
Name one good reason why Pastor Maldonado shouldn't be given free reign to drive around the track during the GP in a Mastercard Lola with the Merc engine bolted in
>>66440337
kek'd
>>66438092
my Bahrain predictions
>>66437778
If Ferrari are legitimate title contenders, would Vettel or Alonso give them a better chance at winning? I know it was Alonso's choice to leave, but who would /F1/ rather have?
>>66440855
This is wishful thinking of a Ferrari fanboy (or Mercedes/Hamilton hater.)
Mark my words. Hamilton is winning the ship this year, then relaxing. maybe taking Kimi's seat at Ferrari so he can have "raced at Ferrari" on his resume. Or going to Haas where he can just kick back, play at being an American rapper, and do a few NASCAR races.
>>66440979
I just don't want to predict HAMROSVET every race (and I'm a Nico fan, nothing against Lewis as driver tho)
>>66440855
Easily Vettel. Alonso has 3 massive issues:
>worst team player on the grid by a big margin
>struggles in genuinely fast cars
>his car development input is very poor
His toxicity alone meant that he had to go, but even without that, he simply wasn't good enough to win the championship. With Vettel and an almost brand new team built around him, regardless of whether he is slower or faster than Alonso, they have a much more serious chance of winning.
If Montezemolo had lost his job prior to 2005, Ferrari would be in a much better place right now. Schumacher&Massa would've easily carried the team to several more titles, and then, with MSC's guidance, they could easily get Vettel to replace him after retiring.
Can we all agree by now that F1 is pathetic? Who disagrees tips fedoras anyways.
>>66441057
>a Nico fan
wait, those exist?
>>66438358
Goddamn... why did they have to shame him further by making him clean up the mess himself.
>>66441126
There is like 5 of us but yeah
GO GO NICO
GO GO NICO
>>66441146
that's actually the original mad max who managed to hit rock bottom
>>66441297
Thats hecka cute
i root for Nico just because It'd be refreshing to see other one than choco-senna lift the WDC trophy.
also #6 is my favorite number
>>66441312
Lewis has his own mini jap fan
>>66441126
Yes.
Not really a fan, I just think he is a cool dude.
I hate the nigger so much so that helps.
We have the same name too.
>>66441480
Nico is not the same as Nicodopoulos
OK /F1/. Pitch me the Las Vegas GP.
>>66441445
Yeah but that one is disgusting and not a cute girl.
>>66441525
Actually Nick is my first name.
Nikos in greek.
Close enough.
>>66441529
They used to have one. It sucked. It was in a parking lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesars_Palace_Grand_Prix
>>66441543
Only Nico gets the qt girls
>>66441529
>hugely over-expensive bland street circuit designed by Tilke
>probably more focused on showcasing famous landmarks than creating an interesting race track
>huge runoff areas everywhere
>disrupts traffic etc for weeks, leaving a bitter taste in the mouth of public
>overprice the tickets so high that the public can't even afford to attend
>somehow organize it so poorly, overprice tickets and deliver extremely bland racing and kill F1 in the US for like the 5th time
>create millions of dollars of losses for the city of Las Vegas/the organizers
>repeat in another city/country next year until F1 kills itself
>>66441529
>qualifying replaced by a roulette wheel
>track goes under the fake eiffel tower
>>66439034
>Needs to be an Asian F3 and American F3.
They're planned for 2017 (But may be delayed)
>> FIA
>New Weekend Format
Love it... not sure if that'll increase cost though (which was a big point the FIA didn't want to break)
>> FIA Sticking to its own guidelines
>You need to get more F3 series going
EuroF3 is far too expensive and as a result (Nu) Brit F3 is popular for non-Brits.
>> Euro F3 > Brit F3 > Jap F3
>>66440855
>If Ferrari are legitimate title contenders, would Vettel or Alonso give them a better chance at winning?
Vettel. Seb is a harder worker, better at motivating teams, smarter and quicker.
>>66442234
Yeah what we need is more shitty feeder series' where the only point is to showcase talent for F1. Even structuring this whole thing so that all of these series' serve no other purpose than to get more drivers into F1
Considering there are drivers like Button, Massa, Alonso, Räikkönen etc who will have careers spanning 15-20 years or more in F1.
Of course all these series' are going to be 100% money dominated and the big teams are going to employ more mechanics, more staff, invest in better setup research etc etc and soon enough talent alone is not important at all.
Who is the last driver to even make it to F1 on merit alone? Like literally no sponsors or significant backing?
Scouts and key personnel have hand-picked talent for ages. There doesn't need to be a million different "road to F1" type series' which all focus on getting to F1. I mean even most GP2 champions don't even have hugely successful F1 careers or F1 careers at all while talent like Kimi or Verstappen etc got drives being handpicked by specific people
>>66442308
>Who is the last driver to even make it to F1 on merit alone? Like literally no sponsors or significant backing?
merit is what lands the sponsors and backing. literally.
>>66442272
Last time Alonso really had a very very good car was McLaren 2007 and he tied with a rookie Hamilton. Of course it was a clusterfuck season but still it's indicative of something. He had some good Ferraris but I wouldn't really call them great cars.
Alonso really doesn't even seem like he is that unbelievable at qualifying anymore. I don't think that was his strength in the first place. On race day he is supreme and his strengths have always been in the races and just somehow being faster than others in the races. His wheel to wheel racing and car control skills are exceptional and I think this is basically where most of his reputation comes from. I'm honestly a bit surprised that the media likes him at all considering how much shit he's caused and how many scandals he's been a part of.
Point being is that Vettel might not be quite as good of a RACER as Alonso, but under current regulations where racing is secondary and quali and consistency and all that great stuff is paramount to winning, I'm fairly sure Vettel would beat Alonso in the same car. Vettel is definitely a better qualifier, probably the best qualifier on the grid right now.
Alonso had so much input at Ferrari, his opinions were what mattered (Massa has talked about this). The cars were developed to what Fernando wanted and so many times Ferrari only realized that they're actually pretty shit is when they actually saw the true pace of the other cars. It's not 100% Alonsos fault but if you're in a big team like Ferrari and you are the driver being listened to, and you cannot create a supreme car (often quite far from supreme) during your whole time there despite having an infinite budget, it says something about Alonso's personality, development ability or both.
>>66442378
Not entirely, or else Frijns would probably be in F1 by now.
>>66442308
I agree issues will occur but the single-make structure will stop it becoming another F3000 which burned because you could only win with one/two teams.
>>66442867
I'm kind of wondering why there hasn't been an attempt at an alternative for F1. Considering how mismanaged F1 is right now, it really wouldn't be that difficult to establish a crowd-pleaser series similar to F1. Bring back huge loud engines, less aero, better tires and bam you've got faster laptimes than F1.
I mean of course it's not a simple thing to do but I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to capitalize on this chaos. If there was a single seater series that was faster than F1, I would watch it. People even watch Formula E and that's basically glorified electric carting. I'm saying that fans are bored, and want someone to actually listen to them, and I doubt that many people have soem sort of personal affinity with F1 or the FIA itself. If a competing series could attract just one big constructor to join, it could result in big things
>>66442980
Also sticking to more traditional circuits/countries would be better, fuck going to China/India/Korea. Bring back some of the old European circuits that folk actually attended.
>>66443193
>Bring back some of the old European circuits that folk actually attended.
ironically the dwindling attendance rates were what killed circuits like Magny-Cours or Jerez
>>66443757
True. There are many factors to consider though. Location, quality of track, quality of racing on track, price of tickets is a big one. I don't really know how much tickets to races cost nowadays but I can guarantee that they are overpriced as hell.
Why would anyone pay hundreds of euros to watch F1 from the grandstands in the current era? The cars aren't even loud anymore so there isn't even that novelty factor.
Also the sport is objectively better to follow from a TV screen lol
>>66443886
I also think the overall situation is that the deals that tracks are forced to sign if they want a race are so incredibly expensive, that the track organizer people have to charge ridiculous amounts for tickets.
This recent push for a more exciting quali and FPs etc came from the promoters/organizers in order to improve attendance.
It's honestly amazing that F1 has to be so jewy about everything and fuck over the circuits, yet simultaneously have no problem throwing 50 million to Ferrari every year as a participation bonus, and generally passing around prize money in the 10s of millions like candy, whilst still making so much of a profit that the owner is a multi-billionaire (3.9 billion USD in 2015)
>>66443886
>Why would anyone pay hundreds of euros to watch F1 from the grandstands in the current era?
Why not? Part of the reason I went to Silverstone in 2014 was because the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger. While the whole experience did feel overpriced, I greatly enjoyed it overall, so ultimately I think I've got my money's worth out of it. Even managed to grab a photo with Hamilton.
Currently debating going to Monza this year just in case Massa and Raikkonen decide to retire soon or the track doesn't get a contract for 2017. Monza generally has poor racing, so I'm banking on the tifosi-centric atmosphere to carry the experience.
>>66443984
>Part of the reason I went to Silverstone in 2014 was because the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger.
ear plugs, son
>>66444054
Got some, GP2 was too painful in spite of that.
>>66443984
>the level of noise had become low enough that I wouldn't be putting my ears in danger.
>>66444186
Noisefaggotry was never my thing.
>>66444186
>He doesn't value his hearing and not want to be deaf by the age of 45
>>66444213
>>66444280
>If only technology could develop something that could reduce the volume of sound......
>F1 is good
>>66444333
What a waste of double trips from someone that isn't even a new IP
>>66444309
>Implying earplugs offer much meaningful protection from 145 decibels for almost two hours at a time
>>66437834
;_;
why must you hurt me in this way desu
>>66443757
I mean interesting places like Zandvoort, big attendance rates for the dutch drivers plus all the other european countries within a couple of hours drive. Estoril would be good to see again, Anderstop for the Scandinavians to go to. The proposed idea of a London or Edinburgh street race would have been good, but i think its dead now.
>>66444428
you tried
ohwait 2 early
>>66444432
i did
>>66444443
so close
>>66444466
don't worry anon, you can still get >>66600000 :^)
We coul have saved the Michael but we failed
>>66444444
>TIL Sebastian Vettel scored more points finishing 3rd in 2015 under the 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1 format than he did when he won his first championship in 2010.
2015 - 278 pts
2010 - 256 pts
>>66444579
Crazy to think how many points he lost that year because of Renault.
>>66444355
Go with dual protection.
Use the softies in your ear, and cover them with muffs. These days there are a lot of decent, and inexpensive, electronic ear muffs that will block out harmful sound, and amplify normal sounds so you can hear them.
No reason not to enjoy something because of noise when you can eliminate it these days, anon.
>>66444396
I wore softies religiously in the military, and if they protected my hearing over the years from fixed and rotary wing aircraft engines, sustained 7.62 MG fire, breaching charges, 5.56 fire, Carl-G and AT-4 fire, your hearing will be fine in the stands using them.
>>66444579
Was only 3 shy of his 2012 record too.
>>66444606
>and inexpensive
They're hardly inexpensive. Why would I waste all that money for something I'd only be getting out of sheer necessity for one event in my life?
>>66444416
Do nostalgic f1 fans care about Anderstorp? It's nowhere close to being the nicest track in Sweden. Went there last year, and even though they still host touring car races the place is a mess.
If theres gonna be some sort of Scandinavian GP, Sweden makes sense geographically, but Finland is where it's at if you want fans to show up.
>you can actually see Robert's foot
>literally one more hit from other cars and he'd be dead
>HANS doing its work like a boss
>winning the race a year later
Best crash ever?
>>66444940
very impressive
>>66444940
Not even close, Lauda almost burned to death and came back to race in the same season.
Holy shit I had no idea the front got so damaged.
>>66445099
>still holding part of the steering wheel
fuck me
>>66445099
those aren't his feet, you can tell because he's a double amputee
>>66444940
>>66445099
Newfriend here, what accident is this?
Driver name?
Really goes to show how strong the safety cell actually is, and how much energy can be dissipated by having literally everything else attached to it break away.
>>66445164
Robert GOAT Kubica
>>66445164
Airtin Senna in Self Imolation
>>66445164
Romain Grosjean, Baku European Grand Prix, 2016
He died and the photographer travelled back in time to upload it
>>66445164
It's the GOAT qt slav Kubica.
>>66445182
>>66445243
You know it doesn't work when someone has given the actual source before you right?
why is this thread so bad
>>66445432
Because you posted.
>>66445432
>>66445439
fucking #rekt.
Why are Force India called Force India when all but 2 of their sponsors are Mexican?
>>66445243
pls happen, and i hope he takes Haas F1 with him
>>66445509
'no'
>>66445020
kubicas crash was better than laudas though
but imo the most aesthetic crash was alliot in mexico
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s4yBd0f9oQ
Nico's sweater looks so comfy
if only it didn't have all the Merc sponsor logos, I would so buy that
So how bad really was alonso's crash?
Could he have died/get seriously injured?
Did he get lucky?
>>66445750
him ending up like this sure helped him i guess
>>66445747
Damn Felipe, going that bald in your 30s...
>>66445852
He's been that bald since his Sauber days
>>66445871
mein gott
>>66442439
vettel, the same guy that lost to a team rookie. nah, vettel is good, but alonso is better. tying with hamilton is not an indication he isn't a great driver. rookie or not, hamilton was already great when he entered f1 and had a lot of experience with the mclaren team. plus, if the driver is talented, getting up to speed in a modern f1 car is not difficult (e.g. max verstappen).
>>66445900
>vettel is worse than ricciardo
when will this meme die
>>66445935
Never because it is true
>tfw the only thing I want more than Vettel being killed is seeing Vettel getting beaten badly
ABV TILL I DIE
>>66445948
I bet your waifu is shit tier
is it going to be another mwl season
or has ferrari caught up?
>>66445956
Hold the fucking phone.
I never said I hated his GF
Hanna is a major qt.
>>66445935
dont get me wrong, vettel is a really good driver and team player, but he was flattered by a trick car and a dinosaur of a team mate whose outdated style did not suite the new f1 cars. the minute ricardo showed up, vettel looked more like an average front end driver than a four time world champion.
>>66446024
Just like Trulli did with Alonso, right?
>>66445965
Ferrari stands a chance at any track where the medium tire is a shit option.
>>66446024
you should compare vettel's lines in 2014 to his lines in 2015, and then tell me that his 2014 performance was indicative of his actual skill level
>>66446079
You don't even need to get that complicated. Just look at any aspect of his driving in the first half of 2012.
Or, even easier, just look at Wobbler's position relative to him in the drivers' standings after Silverstone, and then again after Brazil. Vettel sucking ass in 2014 is something everyone should've seen coming from a mile away.
>>66446059
trulli is an amazing driver. i think if he had come into f1 under the current era, his sublime style would have seen him up in the front regularly.
>>66446067
>Ferrari stands a chance at any track where the medium tire is a shit option.
why is that why would soft or hards be to their advantage?
>>66446132
And the same currently goes for Ricciardo, who just so happens to be one of the best drivers in the field right now.
In both cases, it's not a relevant indication of the performance of the defeated tier 1 driver.
>>66446161
Mercedes have done all 8 days of testing in 2016 solely on the medium compound. That's more than the entire calendar's worth of race distance on the same exact compound.
Them being insane on it is pretty much expected at this point. On other compounds, nowhere near as much, as seen via Vettel and Raikkonen's pace prior to the red flag.
>>66446161
Because Mercedes has shown their cars to be uncontested winners on medium tires. They were having a hard time on the softs and super softs though.
>>66446177
>>66446181
hmmmm ok
#PRAYFORSUPERSOFTS
then
>>66446079
to be honest, new f1 is too boring for me to analyze drivers lines, but the driver is the one that ultimately picks the racing lines that he thinks will help him most, so i dont see why that is an evidence.
>>66446177
the argument was not that vettel is a bad driver. the point that is being made is that if vettel had a rival in the class of ricardo and alonso in the same car, he would not be a 4 time world champion.
>>66446203
A driver's lines can be easily harmed by unwanted behavior caused by the car being defined by a specific set of regulations. Drivers like Vettel (early 2012, or his obscenely high tyre wear in 2014) and Button (who specifically says the pace-dominant MP4-27 of 2012 is the worst car he's ever driven) have a hard time adapting to this.
Drivers like Alonso, on the other hand, make up for this by forcing cars to continue to behave the way they want them to, as opposed to simply allowing the car to be developed in a way that maximizes its pace for that set of regulations. Problem is, this very approach of his limited the performance of his #5 F2012 so much that Massa, of all the people, outpaced him in equal machinery in the second half and nearly outqualified him in India despite Alonso having boatloads of upgrades.
>>66446273
That argument is irrelevant, because the Vettel of early 2012 and 2014 is not the same by any stretch of the imagination as the Vettel from 2010, 2011, 2013 and especially the second half of 2012.
>>66446203
the things that changed in the cars between 2013 and 2014 were all things that went directly against vettel's driving style, and it took him a while to adjust his style to suit the new cars
>>66446273
but he beat alonso with a worse car
>>66446203
Well you can look at it this way. If the car is better, you can push it harder and have really aggressive lines. Racing is very mental so if a driver feels good it tends to show.
>>66446273
I don't think anyone else would have exploited the EBD better than Vettel, not Ricciardo, not Alonso, not Hamilton. Vettel deserved every one of his WDC's
>>66446273
Ricciardo can't beat JEV or Kvyat
there's no way Mateschitz would just sit on the three best drivers in the world and risk his teams losing multiple championships by keeping Webber instead of them.
>>66446330
another recent example of this is Bottas
in 2014 he managed pretty ideal lines despite the car having zero downforce
in 2015 the car was markedly harder to drive and it showed
going for a cheeky HAM ROS RAI in badgergp lads
>>66446432
Massa struggled with that even more in 2015, as yet another example.
>>66446289
it is a sad indication of the current era when drivers are faulted for driving over the capabilities of the car. in the past that was an indication of a great driver. if what you want to see is a driver that will drive the car just like the engineers want the car to be driven, you might as well hand over the driving to a driving program that will do it better.
>>66446559
>in the past that was an indication of a great driver.
wrong
>>66446330
ok, so he was pushing hard, but apparently he is not as good at pushing cars as ricardo or alonso. that is a negative in my book. vettel only races by committee, he does exactly what his engineers tell him to do, and if the car is fast, he will be fast.
>>66446636
>apparently he is not as good at pushing cars as ricardo or alonso.
what a load of rubbish. Vettel is possibly the best qualifier on the grid, certainly way above Alonso as well as Ricciardo
>>66446559
>the capabilities of the car
Those capabilities are created through their own limitations, as, again, Alonso showed in 2012 when he threw the title away.
>in the past that was an indication of a great driver
So people have their own, usually flawed, ways in which they interpret performance and everything that goes into it? That's nothing new.
Also, that hasn't been the norm for the last 2 decades at the absolute least. If you want to go back another one, Prost's the only one who even comes close to being one such exception, and he, too, had his limits compared to Senna, Piquet and Mansell.
>if what you want to see is a driver that will drive the car just like the engineers want the car to be driven, you might as well hand over the driving to a driving program that will do it better.
To be fair, that's exactly why I no longer watch any 4-wheel motorsport other than F1. Drivers in other categories are so far off the limit that it's laughable.
I'd also love to see those driving programs you speak of once they're brought to a high enough level.
>>66446559
its impossible to drive beyond the capabilities of the car, whats possible is driving the car in a way that exploits its characteristics better than anyone originally thought was possible, but if someone does that then thats down to a bad estimate of the car's characteristics rather than exceptional driving
>>66446636
he is better at pushing (as in driving fast?) than ricciardo and alonso, but when he doesn't understand why the car is doing something unexpected or when he doesn't know how the car will react to a certain input (ie not having confidence), he can't drive as fast as he could if it did what he expected, just like any other driver in any series ever
>>66446613
being able to drive above the limits if the car is an necessary skill set that drivers should have. sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time, but in a championship fight with closely matched vehicles, one's ability to over drive the car and make the difference is what champions do. but in today f1 where drivers are coached by race engineers and are told to drive to a delta, that aspect of the sport is dead and that is why the "sport" is out of f1 and the reason fans are turning away.
>>66446743
maybe he lacks car control. yet another negative.
>>66446749
>sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time
It is never the fastest way around a track
>>66446749
>above the limits
There is no such thing as 'above the limits' unless you, as an outside figure, are taking your own limited observations of what a car is and isn't capable of way too seriously.
>and that is why the "sport" is out of f1 and the reason fans are turning away
And that's what we call delusion. Combined with speaking in other people's place, sure, but largely delusion.
>>66446780
he doesn't though? he makes far fewer mistakes than most other drivers
>>66446749
>sure, it is not always the fastest way around a track all the time, but in a championship fight with closely matched vehicles, one's ability to over drive the car and make the difference is what champions do
so what you're saying is what makes the difference in a championship fight is driving slower?
I can only imagine what /spee/ would have said about Jim Clark. He was very smooth, very controlled, and very very quick. I have a feeling he would have been torn to pieces here because he didn't 'appear' to be trying very hard.
>>66446799
i dont know if you know, but things are engineered to a limit, but those limits can be surpassed in the real world. if a car is designed to handle a certain gforce, or brake x meters before turning into a corner, it is possible for a driver to past those limits and give engineers a new target for future designs.
>>66446889
please stop posting fellow Ameriburger, you're making us look bad.
>>66446920
dont be ashamed of looking bad. nothing will get done if you are ashamed of looking bad
>>66446833
if you push the car at the wrong stage in the race, then you will risk the rest of the race. but when the time comes to put the hammer down, burn all the rubber you got and break away from the rest, then you be good at driving at the limit and over the limit long enough to make a difference.
>>66446978
are you telling me that driver evolution did not in any way affect the evolution of f1 cars?
This whole discussion has me wondering. Is Nico Rosberg a carbabby?
>>66447024
are you doing this on purpose
>>66447069
imo lewis hamilton is a bigger carbabby but the mercedes has been more of a lewis hamilton car than a nico rosberg car up until the end of last year
>>66447099
Ok fair enough, so then I guess we can agree there will never be a carbabby bigger than Jacques Villeneuve?
>>66447069
car babies the whole lot of them. f1 is dead. it is no longer a sport, but a demonstration.
>>66447069
i don't think so. he got a few podiums and a fairly dominant win in those mediocre Mercs they had 2010-2012 (and two wins in the good 2013 Merc, but the on-track success of that car owes a lot to having Lewis and Nico as its drivers)
if anything i think Nico is quite underrated because there is that spectre of being a "carbabby" hanging about him, that he wouldn't be a contender without that car but that's true for nearly every champion
>>66444940
>Kubica survived this
>later he ruins his F1 career with a hand injury at a rallye race
it's not fair
>>66447914
Yeah, I just learned about this guy today and it gave me the feels...
isnt monza a historic race? how could they replace that with vegas when usa already has a race anyway?
>>66446502
>going for a RAI
>ever
>>66440337
>>66440408
What a sad loss for racing.
RIP Dan.
>>66448190
Because Ecclestone...
Lets have some fun lads
Ultra hardcore fans not allowed
Can you point on the map the correct geographic location of all the 21 races?
>>66448203
You're so right... His 7 podiums on that exact track would not indicate any kind of succes going into the weekend
>>66448297
lel
>>66448253
>primary school-level busy work
>"fun"
>>66448375
You only say that because you dont even know which country is which
>>66448473
YEAH FUCK YOU BRAZIL
YOU GUYS ARE DUMB TOO
>>66448052
>>66445164
you are my favorite person in /f1/
>>66448510
He's still innocent.
>>66448052
are u greece from hoc?
>>66448473
yeah, i do
>>66448565
double points for mclelren
>>66448565
rain in 5 min.
>>66448565
Lewis saying: "I CAN'T PASS THIS GUY!"
I set a 1:23.7 last night, guys
>>66448565
ferrari has tire trouble
>>66448930
Isn't that a temporary circuit? How long do they usually keep it up?
>>66448966
it's temporary, yeah
but it takes a while to take it all down lel, they've only mostly disassembled the section between turn 8-14 at the moment
>>66448565
replays of different cars locking up in turn 9-10 shown consecutively
>>66448565
Nico hit me!
>>66446514
I didn't really notice much difference between Massa mid 2014 and Massa mid 2015, but he did seem to struggle more than Bottas at most circuits, for sure
>>66448565
engine fireworks
>>66439932
>be driving f1 car in rfactor 2
>driving in practice session, have drs open on straight
>forget that it's open, enter flat out sweeper
>have almighty accident
>>66448565
commentators deride the state of F1
the Renault looks so dank
>>66450361
even when it's being a backmarker
>>66448569
you forgot poo-land
>>66450365
btfo
how did you spent lent lads
>>66450436
in la malvinas celebrating how good it is to be british 8^)
>>66450439
rude
/f1/ would you date a girl who doesn't care for motorsports? I am dating one right now, she was fucking around with puzzles and reading while I was watching HAMROSVES. Only upside is that she can keep quiet.
>>66450648
mine didn't get up for the latest ROSHAMVET, she finds it boring but whenever we watch together she doesn't complain and makes me explain stuff to her. 's alright
>>66450648
I'd date any girl desu. But really, that wouldn't affect me.
>>66450648
>>66450759
>dating a cis girl and not a qt trap
>>66448565
Brundle tells an irrelevant story about his time as a driver.
>Bingo changed from HAAS scores points to HAAS scores no points in 1 race
#FeeltheHaas
>>66448565
Safety car, since it's so rare in Bahrain.
>>66450766
> britain
>>66450740
It just saddens me that she isn't interested. We don't have a lot in common anyway, she's so loveable though.
>>66450826
Tegenpolen trekken elkaar aan mein Freund with the funny language
>>66450878
I suppose that's true, mijn vriend with the konsistente Sprache.
JEJ
E
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rip sauber
>>66450970
HAHAHAHAH
>CURRY TITS
Fuck this team they deserve it.
How the fuck can you even let it get this bad? She's literally a lawyer therefore supposed to be good with shit like this. Maybe not finance but you don't need to be genius to realize when shit is fucking up
in b4
>Bernie buys them out
Do you think anyone will buy out Sauber?
>>66451017
I guess Audi won't buy a shit like this either.
RIP
>>66450970
Just hire another pay-driver to pay the debts
>>66450826
>It just saddens me that she isn't interested.
Most girls I've had weren't interested in any sport, that shouldn't matter.
>>66451028
It's really funny that they're so much in debt. They even finished unnaturally high last year due to McLaren.
The 2016 Sauber seems equally bad as the 2015 was at the end of the season when all the teams had out-developed them. Except this time they don't even have the money to keep up development meaning they will literally finish behind Manor (thanks to a cheeky Manor P9 in some rainfest race somewhere)
I've wondered for a long time why they are even in the sport anymore. They're shit and have no money and don't seem to care. Whats the point? To have the priviledge of working with great future GOATS like Ericsson and Nasr?
>>66451069
In 2014 they were one retirement in Monaco away from finishing behind Caterham and therefore last in the WCC iirc, that's how bad they were
It'd be nice if Bernie took control of the team, relaunched Brabham and used it as a vehicle to promote the companies whose executives he's all cushy with while enabling young drivers, engineers and other team personnel a better stepping stone from junior series, even if the car ends up being a fair bit off the pace
>>66451017
>Do you think anyone will buy out Sauber?
ALFA ROMEO WHEN?
>>66451132
But we already have the Ferrari
>>66448565
Crybaby button can't handle the banter, crashes on purpose going 150mph. Dies. New F1 era begins with 100million viewers per race.
>>66450361
>L-lets race together
lewd
>>66451132
LANCIA!
;_;
>>66451132
>>66451162
Just make it into a not-so-subtle Ferrari B-team branded as Alfa Romeo
Also why did BMW pull out of F1 and is there any chance they would return? They're a pretty big manufacturer and aren't really as involved in motorsports as many of their Central European counterparts
>>66451173
>is there any chance they would return
only if the engine regulations change, they DESPISE V6s and refuse to make any, ever
>>66451088
>It'd be nice if Bernie [...] relaunched Brabham
Isn't David (Brabham) already trying to do that in the WEC?
>>66451173
BMW because of the economy around 2009. I think seeing what Honda are going through would scare the shit out of many big manufacturers who had any intent on joining F1. If you can't walk in and win, you're wasting your time and money.
>>66451028
>hiring €100m worth in pay drivers
>the number of lawsuits that follow
Please let this happen
>>66451205
Yeah that's true. Wasn't the current hybrid engine formula specifically requested by the manufacturers though, for "road car relevance"?
Has there been any confirmation on what the engine is going to be for 2017 if the rule changes go through?
I don't understand why F1 would want such huge barriers to entry in their sport that you will literally need hundeds of millions just to operate in the midfield and if you want to be a works team you have to spend gigantic amounts developing a hugely complex power unit
It's going to come crashing down sooner or later, next economic crash will probably kill F1
Thoughts on this?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123480/renault-wants-f1-fuel-limit-scrapped
Kind of a half-good idea IMO. I don't know if it would make anything better because the tires would still wear out when pushing and the cars would be even heavier, meaning even more strain on the tires
If F1 did the following changes
>higher fuel limit - e.g. 150 kg of fuel total for race
>make cars lighter somehow
>provide tires with actual mechanical grip and no artificial degradation
And you would have the fastest F1 cars of all time pretty much
>>66450970
I guess Ericsson is done for as well, can't see any team wanting him now, Renault has money and Manor take oil$$$ and Merc talent. At least now we know that Sweden will never again be relevant in f1, back to rooting for Finns.
>>66451132
Nah mate they would probably rather get involved in Toro Rosso. Maybe BMW will get over their V6 autism and buy them?
>>66451287
Fast cars?
No no, we can't have that.
>>66451298
I'm sure 99% of people thought Ericsson was done after his abysmal Caterham season, yet he somehow landed the Sauber seat despite Sauber already having plenty of drivers to choose from. He supposedly has an individual backer (as in a person, not a company) who brings in similar amounts to what Nasr brings with Banco de Brazil which is certainly in the 10s of millions per year
Not that he is a good driver but that sort of money does a lot of the talking. Maybe he'll find himself at Renault or Force India in the future. If Gutierrez and Sutil managed to return to the sport after taking seasons off then I'm sure Ericsson could do it as well.
Not that I want him to lol
There will also be no top tier Finns to root for. Bottas is eternal midfield and Gimi will retire
>>66451323
MORE AERO
SOFTER TIRES MADE FROM GLUE
MORE BATTERIES
SMALLER ENGINES, ECO FRIENDLINESS IS KEY WHEN IN A RACING SERIES THAT FLIES THOUSANDS OF KG OF CARGO INTO 21 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD IN ONE YEAR
>>66451298
BMW should seriously just make an engine and but sauber. They already make an inline 3 cyl engine so then can just say they stuck two together.
They did the exact same thing with the 7 series when they debuted their V12 engine. "Oh no we can't make a V8 that would be vulgar, however we make an i6 engine and so we just stuck two of them together."
They then went on and put a V8 in that car anyway.
>>66451384
And replace the drivers for electronic robots because they produce less waste and require less energy to function
>>66451384
Soon: racemixing fuel, transgender engines and homosexual helmets.
>>66451393
Simulate the tracks so you don't have to deal with shitty track owners like SPA or MONZA just do it virtually it's just as good
>"Someone told me that there couldn't be F1 if there were only simulator tracks, but here we are" -Bernie Ecclestone, 2020
>>66451404
Mandatory diversity quota. Too many whites, not enough blacks.
Mandatory gender quota to represent global gender traits - 11 females - 4 transmen or women - 3 straight WHITE men - 1 other (it is offensive to ask to specify)
>>66451361
>He supposedly has an individual backer (as in a person, not a company) who brings in similar amounts to what Nasr brings with Banco de Brazil which is certainly in the 10s of millions per year
Yeah. people here are almost sure it is a certain billionare from the south of Sweden who apparently loves racing. Basically he's doing it to make motorsport more popular in Sweden.
>Not that I want him to lol
Understandable, even Swedes are kinda sick of him. Altough he does seem to have made f1 more popular here.
>There will also be no top tier Finns to root for. Bottas is eternal midfield and Gimi will retire
Are there at least any up and coming talent in Finland? Only swede i can think of is Felix Rosenqvist but he would hardly be an improvement over Ericsson.
>>66451384
the 2022 F1 calendar is as follows
1. Bahrain Grand Prix
2. Iranian Grand Prix
3. Saudi Arabia Grand Prix
4. Azerbaijan European Grand Prix
5. FIFA World Cup Qatar Grand Prix
6. Russian Grand Prix
7. Turkish Grand Prix
8. Pakistani Grand Prix
9. Singapore Grand Prix
10. Islamic State of Syria and the Levant Grand Prix
11. Israeli Grand Prix
12. Abu Dhabi Grand Prix
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123480/renault-wants-f1-fuel-limit-scrapped
FINALLY SOME SENSE
>>66451047
> f1
> sport
>>66451496
Yeah Ericsson just isn't that good of a driver overall. He hasn't really done anything impressive despite having a pretty good car for the start of 2015. He showed some balls in defending close to the limits of the regulations on a few occasions but other than that he has been quite anonymous.
Finland does have a few hopefuls but it all comes down to money and getting decent drives. Bottas made it to F1 with a huge help from Häkkinen and there has always been this sort of Finns helping other Finns get into F1 thing, e.g. Häkkinen's and JJ Lehto's careers were assisted by Rosberg and Häkkinen basically retired partially to give his seat to Kimi. This seems to be getting kind of broken now though as Kimi certainly won't involve himself in F1 as a non-driver because he basically hates everything about it that isn't driving. And Häkkinen seems pretty preoccupied with Bottas and other business ventures as he is now a full time businessman.
What I'm basically saying is that I don't know if there are any Finns who could currently afford the standard ladder climb to F1, i.e. all the way up to GP2 etc. Still it seems that Bottas is going to be the only Finn in F1 for at least a few years if not more when Kimi retires
>>66451548
>>66451287
>Mercedes opposed to this
what a surprise
I love this sport where manufacturers have the biggest say when it comes to regulation changes and the dominant teams will do everything they can and threaten to leave the sport if they don't get to keep the same shitty regulations in which they can remain dominant, Mercedes obviously isn't the only or first team to do so but it still pisses me off. If it was up to Mercedes, they would keep the same regulations no matter what, even if it runs F1 into the ground and the sport is finished.
>>66451696
I'm pretty sure Gimi ran an F3 team a while back...
>>66451862
he did
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_R_Racing
>>66451862
Double R Racing, still going in British and Euro F3
their Finnish protégé is currently p4 in the British F3 standings
current Finnish protégés:
Niko Kari (SMP F4 champion in 2015, racing in Euro F3 this year)
Alexander Huovinen (p4 SMP F4 2015, racing in British F3 this year)
>>66451926
Kari replaces Mad Max in 2018
>>66451900
>>66451926
Both have only had one years experience so don't expect them to be future GOAT just yet.
But Huovinen was one of the best in BritF3 last weekend and Kari utterly creamed the opposition (which included Huovinen in SMPF4 last year)
>>66451926
Niko Kari does indeed seem hopeful. He is only 16 though and his actual performance is still quite unknown. He's raced 1 season of single seaters (which he did win lol) so it's impossible to really judge how good he is. Hopefully he will impress in Formula 3.
He's apparently a test driver for Toro Rosso now. Aligning yourself with the Red Bull junior programme is good and bad. I mean even someone like Sainz is likely going to be out of a drive after 2016 and JEV, although not great was as good as Ricciardo and now he is seemingly out of the sport for good. Kvyat might be looking for a drive after 2016 as well because Red Bull obviously want to keep Max and Max has already implied he is going to "stay loyal". Point being it's going to be brutal if he joins Toro Rosso in the future.
Literally never heard of Huovinen
>>66451926
>>66451990
>>66452013
That driver lineup though lol
RUSSIA FUCKING SHITS
Kari did dominate indeed but it's basically impossible to say if this means anything at all, or if half the field are even close to a professional level
At least he has a Wikipedia page...
>>66452034
>16. Semen Evstigneev
>Semen
>Naming your child Semen
>>66445732
As James Hunt would say: ''Classic Alliot, having a more spectacular crash than usual to bring some excitement back to the race.''
>>66452015
A single season doesn't make a GOAT (Unless your Amd Max) but I have hope that Finland will produce someone decent during Bottas's career.
I mean you now have a regional championship to stick your guys into, so they don't have to spend thousands travelling across Europe
>>66452034
kek, Kari won zero races in Finland
>>66439179
He has claimed nazihood years ago.
Only one who keeps branding him as finnish is the finnish tabloid press.
>>66451501
You Idiot, you forgot the;
13. Grorious Chinese Peoples Grandest Prix
14. Hungarian-How-have-we-not-been-booted-yet Prix
and
15. Pan-American Fiesta Prix (Held in Mexico City)
remember to vote Daniel Abt for Formula E fanboost this Saturday: https://twitter.com/Daniel_Abt/status/714748521442836481
>>66452388
>watching gotta go slow: the formula
Will he ever stop rising, guys?
>>66453572
>watching literally nothing happens during a race: the formula
>>66452388
>voting for a fuck that wouldn't have a career without nepotism
>for_what_pvrpose.exe
how to fix F1
>remove bernie
>consolidate the FIA, FOM and CVC into one group
>bring it back to europe
>nuclear fission engines
>400mph top speed
>cheap tickets
>>66444416
Well there is some hope; Zandvoort has new owners since this february who want to push F1, there's now research going for feasibility. Popularity of amd amx also helps a lot.
Don't expect it any time soon though.
Hey guys, Daniel Abt, Formula E driver, just said he'll show up on the grid naked while singing Taylor Swift, if enough 'fans' vote for him to get Fanboost for this weeks' race.
Source: https://twitter.com/Daniel_Abt/status/714748521442836481
How to vote: Log in to http://fanboost.fiaformulae.com/#votingframe
or better still, bomb twitter with #FanBoost #DanielAbt. Just bomb twitter guys. Get this guy a fanboost and see if OP really delivers.
>>66453949
top lad
>>66444633
you could get a gun
>>66453756
> turn 9 is nicknamed turn 8
Why?
>>66441529
>entire race sponsored by History Channel's various Vegas programs
>Rick from that restoration show does podium interviews
>several weeks later, there's an episode of Pawn Stars with a disheveled British-American pawning off his 2nd place trophy
>a Silver Arrow mysteriously turns up in an episode of Counting Cars, gets turned into a pink-and-yellow hotrod
>>66453994
probably because its been changed a million times, both the circuit itself and the sponsors. Here it's the Vodafone corner.
>>66453756
tarzan and s-bocht are such fantastic corners
never let them be changed pls
>daddy
https://twitter.com/LewisHamilton/status/381173554185654272
>>66454320
fuck i wanna buy a bulldog now but i know im too lazy to look after it and itd die just like my tamagotchi did
>>66454258
Tarzanbocht was even part of the original '40s circuit so I doubt that will ever change.
Funny story; the mayor of Zandvoort told the nazis during occupation he wanted to build a parade street for the winners of the war. The whole straight on start/finish was built by the nazis only to instead be used for the circuit :^)
>>66454345
>itd die just like my tamagotchi did
You're fucking SICK
YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED
>>66450648
i've been in a relationship with the same girl for 6 years, so maybe my experience isn't as valuable as others as i haven't dated that many people.
but overall, yes, of course you would. my gf isn't interested in motorsports herself but still gets up to watch MWL with me, not because she's a fan of but because it's time we spend together. if you do something with a good attitude, no matter if it's something you find boring, you'll eventually make it enjoyable. she for example, now roots everytime for hamilton because she knows that i'm really hoping cuckberg can win a title and stop the HWL at least for a season, so just to play she roots for choco.
i do the same things like taking her to see the cheesy romantic movies, i don't like them that much but i know she loves them, specially the ones based on john green books. actually i did read some of them with her and they aren't that bad.
in conclusion, i think menial things like liking motorsports shouldn't affect what you want in a relationship. i think it tells more of a relationship a girl that doesn't like it but it's willing to spend the time with you nevertheless than a girl that watches with you because she likes F1 herself.
just my 2 cents
>>66454493
>she for example, now roots everytime for hamilton because she knows that i'm really hoping cuckberg can win a title and stop the HWL at least for a season, so just to play she roots for choco.
The actual reason she loves Lewis is because he's black, just like she is, while you love Rosberg because you aspire to one day become as pale and white as him.
>>66450970
d-does anyone want to buy my Sauber cap?
>>66451287
Keep in mind that any change that Renault are in favour of and Merc are opposed to is likely going to benefit Renault. Therefore it should be done.
>>66451384
> A RACING SERIES THAT FLIES THOUSANDS OF KG OF CARGO INTO 21 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE WORLD IN ONE YEAR
dude, they plant trees on Bernie's estate to offset that
>>66453666
i worked hard for (You)s with this post and i even got trips
i'm sad to see it get ignored
>>66454666
D-did you kill Bianchi with your quints anon?
>>66454701
thank you
>>66454717
only tractor cunt can take credit for that
>>66454493
>she only rates him for fun, t-trust me guys
Come to think of it, when Rosbeta fucked up in Austin 15 and Lew Lew passed him for the title in fucking USA of all places, it felt like a huge kick in the guts. My gf realised it as soon as it happened and we fugged instead of watching the rest of HWL unfold.
Did she just use me to celebrate his victory? Do I have to get rid of her?
>>66453613
But things do happen.
What about exciting crashes?
Mad max overtakes?
Mclaren breaking down?
There is just not much action in top 3, below that things happen.
>>66450648
i've become so desperate that i'd date any girl who'd show an interest in me
>>66450648
my gf likes F1 because she used to watch it with her dad all the time when she was little
however she's a real casual fan and only watches the races and doesn't follow any F1 news outside of that, but i don't care
>>66454897
you are just overthinking it
seriously i wrote a big post and all you guys can take away is the hamilton annecdote?
makes me sad
>>66450970
Why did peter leave the team in her hands?? They were doing so well
Mad Max is on sale!
On Steam :^)
It's actually a really bad price, just wanted to do the pun
>>66455009
/f1/ is full of autistic manchildren, of course if you write a serious post the only thing they'll take away from it is "LOL YOUR GF LIKES HAMILTON, YOU ARE A C.UCK XDDDD"
>>66455164
>/f1/ is full of autistic manchildren
And you are obviously one of them.
>>66455009
m8 there's nothing happening right now, don't you over analyze my shitposts.
>gf
RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>66455164
actually i believe /f1/ has one of the most normal communities in /sp/
my dad has watched formula 1 since the 70s and stopped watching it this year
>>66455408
pls stay calm nick.
>>66442308
Kamui Kobayashi? He was picked up by Toyota, sure, but brought no sponsorship when he raced for Sauber and Caterham.
>>66455593
>nick
Almost shit myself.
Then I remembered I posted my name a while back. You got me.
>>66455745
i know where you live.
:^)
>>66455948
same
>>66448565
/haas/ involved in a serious accident.
>>66454493
this. doesn't matter that she necessarily likes [specific hobby of yours] but that she's good enough to do it with you or at minimum tolerate you doing it. Any bitch who goes "oh no i dont like sports you have to stop watching them for me" is not relationship material.
>>66442308
>Who is the last driver to even make it to F1 on merit alone? Like literally no sponsors or significant backing?
Merhi
Bottas (unless you count Mika/Toto managing him)
di Resta
Hulkenberg
Kovalainen
>>66456279
di resta had mercedes' backing, and aberdeen asset management.
>>66456477
Ah, I forgot about him being a Merc academy driver. Was his AAM sponsorship that significant though?
>>66456279
Mehri was good?
>>66456591
Not very, probably quicker than Haryanto though. But he had absolutely zero sponsorship (literally, not a single sponsor) and zero backing which held him back quite a bit. And despite that Manor gave him a drive until Rossi displaced him
>>66453666
>>66454666
Wew, are you satan? Bring back Schumi :(
>tfw I often work hard for meme posts but they are almost always ignored too
>>66456591
yeah, but to be honest it's impossible to tell if someone is good or bad with such disparity between cars.
you can only objectively compare 2 drivers from the same scuderia
Hamilton > Rosberg
Vettel > Raikkonen
Alonso > Button
Massa > Bottas
Wehrlein > Haryanto
Sainz Jr. > Verstappen Jr.
Grosjean > Gutiérrez
Pérez > Hulkenberg
Magnussen > Palmer
Ricciardo > Kvyat
Nasr > Ericsson
>>66456572
not sure. had another sponsor in the works, but anthony hamilton lied about it or something, kek.
>>66456591
he beat stevens. remember, merhi is a giant next to stevens,in both height and weight. the marussia chassis was not built with his frame and weight disadvantage, and cost him in lap time.
>>66456907
>Massa better than Bottas
>Sainz better than Verstappen
>>66456907
good bait
>>66457147
>he beat stevens. remember, merhi is a giant next to stevens,in both height and weight. the marussia chassis was not built with his frame and weight disadvantage, and cost him in lap time.
and Stevens got simulator time while Merhi didn't, Stevens got upgrades and chassis choice preference while Merhi didn't, and Stevens had twice as many mechanics working on his car than Merhi did until Manor hired back some of the staff they laid off during the winter.
>>66457359
forgot about the sim bit - didn't know about the rest.
>>66456591
he got there on Merhit
>>66458217
Karl pls
>Gimi is 36
Who will replace him at ferrari?
Hopefully next year, he is fucking shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2zepN3Fm2g
What do you guys think about Lewis Hamilton's budding music career?
Is he gonna be the next big superstar?
Posted in a different thread for some reason, but got my Haas F1 Team shirt. I usually wear a medium, but they only had small available. It fits just fine, though. Very pleased with the shirt overall.
>>66458845
I heard Ferrari has this new upcoming talent in one of the slower cars that are just disguised satelite ferrari cars
Spinachi or Bianchi or something similar I think he's called
>>66458845
Gimi will get at least 5 podiums this year
>>66458858
shit monkey music
>>66458858
I think that is the title track
Lewis Hamilton - Ode To My Reflection
>>66459387
Doubt.
>>66458858
Oh my god is that actually him in that song? Fuck that's awful. Sounds exactly like Rae Sremmurd.
>>66460300
>Rae Sremmurd
>bad
U AIN'T GOT NO LIFE
>>66460744
Hamilton pls leave
>>66458858
Career ending injury when?
>>66460834
sooner than you think.
>>66460834
>>66461299
Then we get De la Rosa to replace him and win 3 championships in a row
i'm a hamilton fan
i became a fan of his in 2011
i am not ashamed of this
i think he is the fastest driver on the grid
but i do not like his personality
>>66461462
do want.
Why does Hamilton speak with an American accent?
>>66461632
>Hamilton
>speak with an American accent
Choose one.
>>66461909
it's more murican than english at this stage
>>66461909
He definitely forces some American in to his voice.
>generally
>generally
>generally
>generally
>>66449063
YES!!
>>66461909
>>66462011
>>66462094
as a neutral person i can say that Hamilton sounds british as fuck
Jacques and Gilles went up the hill
To set a faster lap time
Jochen bashed and crashed Gilles out
And his corpse came tumbling aftwards
>>66448565
The freebe in the middle should be "Any mention of the qualifying format used in Australia"
>>66454493
> my gf isn't interested in motorsports herself but still gets up to watch MWL with me
Yeah well, mine doesn't do that, however when I'm watching it she just joins me and does something else while being with me.
> i do the same things like taking her to see the cheesy romantic movies
Lel, I just decline watching shitty movies and suggest something better.
Thanks for your reply anyhow, anon.
>>66463722
poor effort
>>66451496
isnt rosenqvist supposed to be good?
It has happened again, bros. Now that the racing season is on, F1 is the only thing I can think about.I mostly just go to work, do some exercise and then think about F1 the rest of the day.
>I haven't fapped after Melbourne FP2
>I can't get my work done as well as I used to
>Constantly check Twitter, /f1/, Autosport etc. at work, at home, before sleeping, everywhere
>Constantly afraid someone is going to suggest activities that would take place during F1 sessions
>I don't even feel like watching other sports
>I can only watch old races, and I actually do it more now than in the winter
>Don't even want to see gf if it would compromise F1
Off-season was so comfy bros, with the occasional news and memes I was able to maintain my normal life. But now the non-stop onslaught of F1 is ruining my life again! It doesn't help that I think the Melbourne GP was pretty gud, I kept my hype levels through the roof. I hope Bahrain will be boring.
>>66464483
obsessing about f1 is better than caring about real life desu
>>66464483
>this guy
If you are like this during hamrosvet, imagine if F1 actually had close racing, you'd lose your fucking mind.
>>66464213
he's dogshite. utter dogshite
>>66464694
but didnt he almost beat ocon and verstappen?? or did he just have a better car
Pic related are current FIA Grade-1 certified tracks. Some hosted F1 in the past, some never saw a live F1 session. Which ones would you include to the ULTIMATE /spee/ F1 POWER CALENDAR?
My picks:
>Magny-Cours
>Istanbul
>I M O L A
>M U G E L L O
>Losail (night race)
Shit, I'd even give Estoril another 5 minutes of glory.
>>66464941
I mean, I'm not trying to give the middle-east anymore races than it already has but Dubai looks like it mite b cool.
>>66464941
Kymiring once it's upgraded to grade 1 after the incredibly succesful MotoGP events starting in 2018.
>>66465022
i watched the 24 hour race there and it was pretty trash
magny-cours and korea are easily the best ones there that isn't in f1, followed by mugello istanbul and indianapolis
i know most people dont like korea but its actually pretty sweet. india wasnt bad either
>>66464938
only because he had many times the experience in formula 3 than verstappen or ocon had.
he spent six fucking years in formula three, a series where you should win in your second year if you want to be a hotshot in f1. he spent so long in the series that the FIA had to create a new rule especially for him stopping drivers from staying in f3 for longer than 3 seasons (iirc, not sure on the number).
verstappen and ocon both spent only a single season in formula 3 before graduating. ocon won the championship in his first year, verstappen came third. felix came eighth that year. eighth. in his fifth year and sixth season in formula 3, and he won his first formula 3 championship last season, entirely down to experience along with driving for the undisputed quickest team.
if felix was put in the mercedes, he'd still find a way to never score a single point. that's how abysmal he is.
>>66444633
I've been to Nascar and NHRA events and everything was nice and fine with a cheap pair of shooting muffs over softies. Total cost less than $20
>>66465022
>first turn goes right
>left kink or corner immediatly after
You reminded me I had to make pic related. Somebody explain this shit.
>>66464941
if only we were using the best bahrain
>>66464483
>Getting this excited over F0.5.
>>66465177
probably because it strings out the field or allows cars on the outside to go wheel to wheel and maintain position
>>66465055
Checked the latest news on Kymiring. Construction should get started this summer. The organizers seem to be in really good terms with Dorna, so the MotoGP will happen if the track will happen. Most legal hurdles have been passed now, but private funding is still a question mark.
The thought of F1 in Finland makes me fucking salivate. If I won in the lottery I'd pay for the fucking track myself.
yfw Mad AMX will win the Bahrain GP for Johan
>>66466356
Why is it not symmetric REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>66464941
Wasn't Watkins Glen also recently visited by Whiting to maintain its FIA certification?
>>66467050
To help the car when it comes in
Reminder street circuits are objectively better.
>>66453756
i tried zandvoort out on a local simulator once. the two hardest corners for me were easily Wilgenhaegebocht and S-bocht. And that was on an F3 sim with grippy Hankooks.
I can only imagine how slippery it would be driving on Pirellis in an F1 car IRL
>>66470216
Ageed. Baku will be the goat race
>>66470216
>>66470640
Gonna be tight, that's for sure
>>66470216
>Reminder street circuits are objectively better.
I'm sick of Monaco, but the others are indeed breddy good. Still, Suzuka, Circuit of Americas and Interlagos are tracks I enjoy watching much more than Singapore, Melbourne, and Sochi
>>66470216
Pre-run off era I'd have agreed with you, but nowadays I'm inclined to agree with you (though Suzuka and a few others haven't been gutted, yet).
>>66471268
*disagreed
Kobayashi's podium. Bianchi's not-8th. Who will be the next back marker to pull off a defiant-ass, bullshit finish?
>>66471498
It just happened last race, Big Jeans in 6th.
>>66465065
2013 Korea was GOAT, and the race that turned me into a Hulk fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k58BGjZf2Uo
>>66446362
The only person who had as good of an EBD was Webber and we all know Webber is Coulthard Rubens tier
>>66447397
Robert has been heidfield tier for most of his career. Not bad but not great. For the sake of competition and because we want to believe there's a title fight or a clash of the titans we consider him on Hamilton level but when Hamilton is at his best he's in another league. He was bad luck personified in 2014 which is why he almost lost the tithe that year and stopped giving a fuck once he did last year.
I hope I can watch the next race together with all of you guys..
>>66473083
That's cute anon
I'l bring potato chips
newgreek, are you still here?
have you picked a favorite driver or team yet?
I am obsessed with F1
This sucks. I barely thought about it during the off-season break, now all I can think about is HAMROSVET
>>66473608
Same, I even stopped coming to /f1/ for a couple months in the off-season (for shame). Two weeks before the season the itch began. I watched San Marino through Spain 2004 today. F1 is life.
>>66474229
>>66473608
I feel it too m80s
The only other sport I follow with as much passion as F1 is surfig (WSL) but I kinda wish I had this feeling for normie sports like football or mma, that is all my friends talk about.
Do you guys ever show your true F1 powerlevel IRL?
>>66474371
Only to my best friends, we're all pretty big into soccer, so I explain in to them in relation to that. F1 isn't very popular where I live so there isn't much opportunity to get into it.
My ex-girlfriend got really into it after watching it with me for a couple years, and we actually used to talk about it quite a bit.
>tfw
>>66474371
Whenever I get the chance and it wouldn't come off as obnoxious. It's not often, but as bad as F1 currently is, it's still one of those things that I'm happy to casually show my support of.
>>66474371
i maintain a database of f1 results just so i can pull stats in online argumetns about f1, i have a hard drive just for f1 footage, i watch each race 3 or 4 times in the days after it finishes, i wrote some video analysis crap to help me analyze differences in drivers lines from tv footage, i watch 2-6 races/qualifying sessions/practice sessions per day
so no
>>66474661
Jesus Christ.....you need to go outdoors and play. Current F1 doesn't deserve that sort of devotion.
>>66473083
>>66473205
Me too, m8s. Missed the last one completely, was stuck in the mountains with no internet and no cable ;_;
>>66474371
Don't really have friends who are into F1, so never get the opportunity. When we had the Indian GP, I went, hoping to meet other dedicated fans.
What I found was a mass of seething casuals, who at best were VWL/SWL bandwagoners, and at worst were normie trash treating the Prix as some sort of social event.
The closest I got to revealing my powerlevel was when this one fag insistently argued with me that Senna drove his career for Ferrari.
>>66475019
>was stuck in the mountains with no internet and no cable
No toilet either, I presume?
>>66475259
>Toilet
I do not understand this word. Are you, perchance, referring to the local designated shitting lane?
You may mock, but a road is the ultimate fecal inspection shelf
>>66475392
Based poo in the loo
>>66474738
current f1 is great when you watch closely enough, i feel like the people who think its shit are the people halfway between casual and autist, who watch f1 close enough to understand that its gimmicky but not close enough to see that the gimmicks don't matter so much
>>66470763
that photo makes monaco look rather open... and that's before the armco has gone in.
>>66464213
He wins stuff but he's old, so nothing special. He's spending way too much time in the junior series.
>>66465117
wew lad, i just thought he was irrelevant. Never knew people outside of Sweden hated him, let alone cared about him.
>>66465177
allows the driver who was overtaken to take a different line to retake their position. also a feature of melbourne, sepang, barcelona, shanghai, monza. nurburgring, silverstone...
>>66475940
although they'd probably have a better chance if it were a straight so that they could take a wide entry and cut back effectively. i guess it helps cars that don't have straight speed though
Let's design tracks /F1/
>>66475968
another one
>>66475968
>>66475978
tilketastic
i made this shit a while ago, coulda done better but i was just killing time
>>66475997
fuck i wanna drive that bad
>>66475997
>racemixing
>>66476079
wowie zowie
>>66476090
it's actually very good
I liked the backwards eau rouge
>>66476094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGyfzFGBI0
Reverse Spa is fucking based.
>>66476094
ya man, backwards eau rouge is actually nuts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWNzAkuNu1g
the trickster himself did it for a promo but was too big a pussy to really go for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq0BZwnfVmI
>>66464483
Trav please
So what's happening with qualifying?
Are we getting that really shit meme one again or back to the old one or something else entirely?
>>66476485
hungaroring?
>>66475968
Well let's try I suppose
>>66476441
More memes
>>66472773
>The only person who had as good of an EBD was Webber
It's my opinion that RBR developed such a strong EBD because Vettel was so adept at exploiting it.
>>66475968
longest straight is 3200m long
it was supposed to look better but i'm not experienced with CAD
>>66476906
It looks like a Chernobyl infant with one hand lying on his back (head on the right sand, 2 legs and a fat tail on the left). I like it
>>66476441
giving the meme one another shot.
there wasn't unanimous support to revert... force india are happy to try and get 9th and 10th and nurse some tyres home.
>>66475968
Will particle race be a sport?
Wtf Felipe Baby?
>>66476959
They have some crazy high speed crashes
>>66476942
umm...thanks but i'm not sure what was it supposed to mean
>>66476959
You can't just post a swans album cover.
>>66476959
This is american dream track. The perfect oval
>>66475997
Traced it with a brush, anon.
>>66477188
"nice"
>>66477149
>a perfect oval
That's called a "circle"
Huh
>>66476619
>/f1/ fags are so homossexual they can't even recognize grand valley
http://forum.reizastudios.com/threads/automobilista-store-page-on-steam.284/
FOM are smoking some serious crack
>>66477485
This truly upsets me. The whole deal about going after F1 car mods is staggering.
The funny thing is that they don't actually own the car liveries I think. I hope this is the case and they get sued by either developers or the actual F1 teams over it
>>66477354
That didn't sound like you mean it.
I did for you, by the way, just so you know, I spend hours on making this especially for you.
>>66477578
>>66477485
The entire industry is fucking retarded about this and I hate it. Why do you need a license to make a real car in a GAME anyway? Pisses me the fuck off.
Not to mention, they demand the most fucktarded shit.
> hurr durr you may ONLY display our car if you pay THIS amount :^)
> hurr durr you may ONLY display our car if it doesnt have a damage model :^)
> hurr durr you may ONLY display our car if it is faster than all the others! :^)
> hurr durr you may ONLY display this car until [insert date] and from then on you have to remove it if you wish to update your game unless you pay THIS amount again :^)
It's lawyer cancer, abolish copyright.
>>66477793
The day copyright dies in court will be a historic one for mankind.
>>66437778
>Takes down entire Steam Game
>"But it's their legal right!"
F1 2016 everyone. Off to a legitimate racing series. Even Brian France isn't this backwards.
>>66438808
There are plenty of tracks to go to instead. Watkins Glen, Indy, Brands Hatch, Nurburgring, Monza in 2017, Kylami, Zandvoort, etc.
>>66476970
>Valtteri Bottas started dating Emilia Pikkarainen when he was 20 and she was 16
He's a fucking paedophile
>>66478131
he can drive a car fast though
>>66477436
Tbh this track would be perfect if Someone actually made it.
>>66477742
Bane?
>>66478131
Isn't 16 the age of consent in a lot of European countries?
>>66478367
Yeah
It's 13 here btw
>Formula 1 will never return to Brands Hatch
Such a shame.
>>66478386
I know my next holiday destination
>>66478609
Brands Hatch was based, it's a shame they neutered half the corners. It's still pretty good though.
>>66478630
/r9k/ pls :^)
>>66477149
>The perfect oval
You're an idiot, Lithuania must be proud
C'mon get this thread out of the way!
>>66479103
>i don't know what he is doing
>every time he runs me off the track
>that's not very nice
who has the picture of gimi being interviewed giving the 'i dunno' face?
>>66479103
why is Kimi trying to be a Slav
does he hate being a Finn
does he want to move to the Czech Republic when he retires
does he want to renounce his Finnish citizenship
>>66479138
>who has the picture of gimi being interviewed giving the 'i dunno' face?
i dunno mate you'll have to find it yourself
>>66479224
excellent. thanks lad.
>>66478131
So if you're 18 and have a 14gf, the next day after your birthday you're a pedophile? And only after 4 years will it be "already ok" to date her?
>>66478942
>>66477411
You don't say. Butthurt 'muricans think european can't into geometry. Is it the opposite day?
>>66478131
no
16 is not pedo
15 years and 364 days is a fucking pedo scum lets chop off his bell-end and send him to Belmarsh
>>66479404
isn't there an inbetween begining with e? like, in pshe, we were told paedophile is an attraction up to age 12 or whatever, and 13-15 is the e whatever phile.
>>66477429
Jenson Button 17 years in F1 ya big nerd.
>>66453666
Future of F1 confirmed.
Best get your Radiation Suits and Iodine pills ready lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Fvd0E7ORc
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