So tell me robots, is gettin rich all about luck?
it definitely helps
>>29107399
That's what losers like to tell themselves.
>>29107399
It's not all about anything, there are many factors. But neither of those faggots linked to stats or studies, so who fucking cares.
>>29107399
>its patheitic how the manchildren of reddit tell themselves its all luck, and that their failure is not their own fault
i love it when someone breaks the reddit 'holier than thou smart but lazy' circlejerk
"Luck does not exist"~ Ben Kenobi
The secret to wealth is persistence. You'll meet both dumb and smart wealthy people, but they all share the same trait: high grit - the willingness to DO something and to keep at it.
The smarter they are, the less hard work they have to do.
When it comes to winning the lottery or being born into a rich family yeah. But in the long run it won't mean shit if you can't manage your finances.
There's a reason poor people stay poor, it's not because "le evil 1%" but because instead of getting a decent job and sending their kids to school they use their welfare money to buy iPhones and drugs.
>>29107647
this is complete bullshit. You have the exact same mentality as this woman http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/03/woman-scolds-man-using-food-stamps-walmart-viral-video
A majority of wealthy people were born into well off families to start with.
There are people who started with nothing and worked hard to make millions but they are a minority.
>>29107399
If you methodically choose your career + invest your money well, you could probably get around a million to several million at max in assets. Intellectual and social prowess can only take you so far, by the way. To become a multi millionare, you'll have to fall on favourable circumstances (for example, you can fill a market niche somewhere). As for the faggot richie rich redditor, I probably know multiple people who are 100 folds more talanted and intelligent than him, yet make 100 times less.
>>29107727
Using welfare for food =/= using it to buy iPhones and drugs like I said (Which is what most people on welfare do).
>>29107596
Also they're generally willing to take risks when required, which luck plays into (I.E. said risk not blowing up in their face). It's foolish to think luck plays no part in it, even if it isn't the primary reason for one to be wealthy. You're lucky that some drunk asshole didn't plow into you when you were crossing the street. You're lucky lightning didn't burn your house down as a child. Luck plays a part in everything.
But it's not the only thing. A lucky man who is lazy will still have nothing to show for his luck.
>>29107727
He's 100% right. It's gotten to the point that poverty is as much a moral failing as anything. It takes constant hard work to actually be poor in the socialist fuck up our modern world is. Personally I think poverty should be a crime at this point.
>>29107824
> buy iPhones and drugs, Which is what most people on welfare do
no its fucking not. There are people working 2 jobs and still can't make it out of poverty. Employers won't raise wages to match inflation and they won't hire full time. So people are falling into poverty and can't climb back out no matter how hard they work.
And no, not everyone can be an engineer, programmer, or start off with a "small loan" of a million dollars to start a business.
>>29107883
>poverty should be a crime at this point
nice b8 m8
As always, with an either/or question on 4chan, the true answer is "both".
>>29107796
The majority of millionaires are self made. You only have yourself to blame really. Are you debt free? Are you maxing out tax advantaged accounts? Are you maintaining a positive savings rate in mutual funds in taxable accounts? If not then that is why you're poor. The only reason not to do this is if you're making so much you aren't eligible for tax advantaged accounts.
>>29107809
>As for the faggot richie rich redditor
who are you reffering to?
>>29107913
>Posting a graph with no context
>Cuckington Post
>>>/r/berniesanders/
>mfw I've literally smoked myself in to poverty
>>29107958
data right from the government.
keep sucking that upper class dick. maybe they'll let you join their club if you make them cum hard enough.
Money is a symbol saying "this person has contributed to society this much". I don't see how are the top 1% contributing more than other 99% of the population.
Rich people are basically thieves living on other people's work.
And luck definitely helps getting to that 1%, but having no morals is more important,
>>29107979
>believing the government's lies
>>29107824
100% this. Just ask someone who you know is poor what they spent their tax refund on. Guarantee it won't be paying their bills off (or in advance) or stuffing into a savings account or a IRA. It'll be on shit like a new car, a bigger TV, or they'll go blow it at the casino. Hell, look at most lottery winners themselves. Most are broke within 5 years, because they were poor before the lottery and didn't understand the value of money or being frugal.
>>29108025
>implying the government has anything to gain by showing its population sliding into poverty
if anything, those numbers were fluffed to make it not look so bad.
>>29108025
>much propaganda
Depends on if you classify being in the right place at the right time with the right preparation luck.
>>29108017
>Typed from my Steve Jobs or Bill Gates machine
>>29107953
The faggot in OP's image. He sounds completely retarded.
>>29107946
>The majority of millionaires are self made
For every millionare, there are 999 plebs that cannot be millionares. Everybody being a millionare would mean a crippling hyperinflation overnight. Only so much goods and services can be produced. Most self-made rich people take atvantage of a given economic opportunity. Once filled, the other plebs simply don't have a chance, until the next opportunity comes and makes somebody else richer.
>>29108075
>this post sponsored by wall street brokers
>>29108075
typed from Linux Mint. picrelated is the only thing Gates invented himself btw.
>you will never come into a decent sum of money to buy a few properties to fix up then rent them out to people as you sit on your ass and collect money
fuuuuuuu
>>29107979
Again, no context to these graphs.
>>29108017
>All rich people are evil and all poor/middle-class people are nice guys who're getting screwed by the government
Stop watching so many movies anon.
>>29108017
>Rich people are basically thieves living on other people's work.
Not necessarily. If you actually start an enterprice, produsing original or improved goods, it's all well and good. If you just copy it without improvement (like ~70% of small time millionares do), but in a different location, then you are really exploiting people.
The smart and talented make their own luck.
>>29108205
The dank and edgy make their own memes.
>>29108205
being smart and talented is a matter of luck in itself
>>29108187
hey polfag, the majority of jews are wealthy. Are they the good guys? Did they work hard?
>>29107977
>DUDE MARIJUANA IS NOT ADDICTIVE LMAO
>>29107809
>you could probably get around a million to several million
>To become a multi millionare, you'll have
lol nice sermon commie. Check your math.
>>29108205
Oh, is that right? Why do so many smart and talented people die alone and miserable?
>>29107399
these guys are fucking delusional. How many people have you heard of that made millions on their job?
In my experience there's no such thing as luck.
>>29107870
>It's foolish to think luck plays no part in it,
Luck plays a part into literally every fucking thing that happens on the planet then.
Fucking neckbeards. Smh.
I was homeless and trying to kill myself 2 years ago. Now I'm set up to own my own home by the end of the year, and I plan on fixing it up and renting while I move on to the next one.
It's all about which way it swings I guess. My family was never well off.
>>29108245
It's not you faggot, I could literally stop tomorrow and not suffer any withdrawals from the lack of weed. If I didn't smoke I'd spend the money on fast food. Replacing eating with smoking allowed me to lose 150lbs.
All I need to do is get an ounce of willpower and I can turn my life around, it's not weed having a grip on me and it's not addictive. It's just perfect for addictive people
>>29108017
>Money is a symbol saying "this person has contributed to society this much".
No, it's a symbol of how much currency people have received for their labor or dealings.
>I don't see how are the top 1% contributing more than other 99% of the population.
Money is not appropriated according to "contribution". People receive what other people are willing to pay them.
>Rich people are basically thieves living on other people's work.
Some are, but to say that all rich people are thieves is ridiculous. How do you even define "rich"? Is anyone earning 100k/year automatically a thief? Or is your cutoff 200k/year?
>And luck definitely helps getting to that 1%, but having no morals is more important,
Those can be factors, but again you're making sweeping generalizations. You sound jealous.
>>29108280
>I could literally stop tomorrow and not suffer any withdrawals from the lack of weed.
How do you know?
>>29107809
>you'll have to fall on favourable circumstances (for example, you can fill a market niche somewhere)
How is that "falling" on favourable circumstances? There are plenty of others that are just as capable of filling that niche, and even some that are more capable. They had the same opportunity, but chose not to. It's not your fault they didn't seize the chance when it presented itself.
>>29107870
>said risk not blowing up in their face
that is the point however. for every guy that hit it big, there are ten guys who absolutely ruined themselves by taking risks.
>>29107399
Lmao I live seeing good little capitakusts getting all up in arms to defend the super rich
Combination of luck and hard work. Knowing people is more effective than having skills. Having really good skills can get people to notice you, but you can be skilless and know people and still just just as well off.
There is a factor of luck outside of that, like notch and making minecraft. He isn't some spectacularly skilled programmer or developer, he just made something that caught on.
>>29108205
That is actually pretty much how it works. i would add though hard working.
Smart, talented and hard working....
>>29107399
its both. some people just get lucky as fuck, some people have to work hard for it.
>>29108260
There's plenty of smart people here. Why are they all alone and miserable?
>>29108233
>being smart and talented is a matter of luck in itself
Here we go....
>>29108241
Go back to pol litlle boy.>>29108262
>How many people have you heard of that made millions on their job?
>job
Kek. Poorfag detected.
You don't build wealth by drawing a salary
>>29108347
because they didn't inherit anything or have their dad hook them up with a comfy job.
>>29108315
Because I have multiple times for various reasons. The worst that has ever happened was I lose my appetite for a day or two and I take longer to fall asleep. Compare that with cigarettes, alcohol, crack and it's not addictive.
>>29108322
Yes, but that's to be rich. Many speds here are confusing financial stability for being rich, which are two completely separate things. I never worry about bills or about fixing something in my house. I have good credit, a new car, money for hobbies/travel, Etc. and will be retired by 60. I am by no means rich however.
>>29108031
This is the best post. I know people who owe huge amounts of back taxes and are financing a brand new car or taking a tropical vacation on their credit card.
Gg
you have to stop bringing this shit to /r9k/
>>29108347
>There's plenty of smart people here
Bwahahaha. There are plenty of blowhard neckbeards here who employee philosophy and rhetoric as both excuse and coping mechanism here.
Smart people, not so much.
>>29108372
>You don't build wealth by drawing a salary
did you even read my post? that was the exact point l was trying to make.
I honestly hate the term, "luck".
There's chances and percentages. Luck isn't fucking real.
Nothing funnier than watching both 4chan and reddit lose their shit at the concept that rich people are generally better human beings than them and largely deserve their wealth, and the main reason most people aren't wealthy is because they're shit with money
>>29108416
luck is just another word for chance. Good luck if chances = something positive. Bad luck for negative outcomes.
Learn 2 human expression.
>>29108262
>How many people have you heard of that made millions on their job?
Goys say the cutest things.
>>29108352
well, this funny hat man certainly refutes decades of research linking IQ to income.
>>29108254
>muh 2 millions is a multi millionare super rich mang
You know that multi millionare is someone with at least a double digit after the 6 zeroes and thats liquid, not like some faggot having several million in houses, cars and a boat.
>>29108316
I mean that once the niche is filled and everybody else goes home. No matter how talanted you are, a race has a single winner and there is almost always someone cleverer, more informed and better conected than you.
>>29108426
>rich people are generally better human beings
I can no longer tell whos trolling in this thread.
>>29108396
>will be retired by 60
But that sucks dude. Why would you spend 40 years doing slave labor, just to enjoy maybe 10 healthy years (assuming you don't die before)?
Seams like a horrible and risky deal.
>>29108416
lol i bet you consider yourself to be above average intelligence
If you and your spouse are barely scraping together above $50k a year, then they must have some shitty jobs. My dad makes a couple thousand above 50k and he's a factory worker ffs.
It's never hard work.
It's either by luck, or by patience and persistence.
>>29108440
>luck is just another word for chance. Good luck if chances = something positive. Bad luck for negative outcomes.
But people feel like luck is some living thing they can blame their failures on that had a low percentage of actually succeeding, which is bullshit.
"Dang, I've got some seriously bad luck. Oh well." No, maybe you should revise your plan of attack instead of blaming "luck." It's an equivalent to blaming a god, edgy as that sounds
And also, just because the result isn't in your favor doesn't mean you can't grow in some way from it.
>>29108466
>and thats liquid, not like some faggot having several million in houses, cars and a boat.
Liguid.
Hahahaha.
Stupid goyam. The inflation alone will fuck you. You have to put your money somewhere dipshit.
>>29108284
>You sound jealous
I make more money doing art commissions than I need in my east european country, I'd literally have no idea what to do with money if a few millions suddenly appeared on my bank account, outside of shop trips I haven't left my house in 3 months.
>Money is not appropriated according to "contribution". People receive what other people are willing to pay them.
yes, and people are never willing to pay equally to contribution, because we're greedy by nature. That's why payment should be government controlled, only then we could judge whoever has a right to be rich and who doesn't.
>>29108493
No, I'm just a bastard who happens to really hate the term luck.
>people in this thread literally think you can get rich by "filling a market niche"
You children are delusional.
>>29107399
in america there are no poor, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires
>>29108483
This may come as a surprise to someone who is 19 and whose only career experience is cutting lawns in the neighborhood every summer, but I like my job.
>>29108466
Retard, innovative people create their own niches. You're an idiot. Seriously. You're talking out of your ass.
>>29108426
>most people aren't wealthy is because they're shit with money
>implying you can save yourself to wealth
just do the math bro. assuming you make a somewhat average income, you'd make between 1 and 2 million in a lifetime, and that is before taxes and living expenses. So, if you live a life of complete asceticism, you might end up with one million at 60.
>>29108534
shouldn't you be listing your Sanders 2016 paraphernalia on ebay about now?
>>29108610
You can absolutely save yourself into comfort and a easy life though.
>>29108559
>only then we could judge whoever has a right to be rich and who doesn'
Bwahaha. Whose to judge? Some corrupt megalomaniacal dictator? Fuck out of here commie. Go wipe your ass with potato peels or whatever you dudes do.
>>29108610
>implying you can't invest all that money into something profitable to make more money
>>29108610
I'm 37. I have 3 million. Started at minimum wage. But nice propaganda.
>>29108682
And i'm a pornstar with a 9 inch dick. Life's good eh?
>>29108679
You mean like a 401k or IRA? Na, impossible.
Luck is typically what catapults someone into the 1% so to speak, but it isn't the be all and end all at all. It's definitely intelligence, persistence and willingness to take risks too.
It's a little more complex but yeah luck can be all you need. It's a lot of external factors and most of them can't be influenced by you.
Anyone telling you that you can make it big if you just work hard enough is most likely born rich or had luck and thinks that they worked hard for their money while it was only luck or coincidence.
Granted there are cases where people actually worked hard to get rich but they are rare and still rely on external influences.
tl;dr Always remember anyone can become a millionaire but not everyone will.
>>29108713
Nigga dafuq is that? English please
>>29108610
Wait so a guy with an average job, who makes no investments, won't become abnormally financially successful?
Just shocking. kill yourself commie.
>>29108682
Nice propaganda commie. I've been saving dollar a month since i started working and now I have 40 million dollars. everything is possible with hard work.
>>29108697
Believe what you need to anon.
>>29107824
>$50 a month
>literally the price of 2 pizzas
>a lot of money
>money that could make you rich
>money worth investing in anything
pretty sure the poor aren't poor because they bought an iphone.
all the rich people i've known have been horribly incompetent and still liked to brag.
all men are not born equal
a fact i learned at the age of 4...
>>29107399
Like all things its a mix. I grew up in a rural area that for some reason, everyone was groomed for business and getting rich. You have to be smart AND lucky. There are so many, smart/talented 0eople who never made it becuase wrong place, wrong time. Being smart wont get you nothing though, you will have well paying jobs without luck,just you wont be that absurd level of rich.
>>29107399
for a lucky few, yes.
if you have any respect for statistics or the idea that some people work harder/smarter than others, then you could never honestly believe most or even a significant number of wealthy people randomly acquired their wealth.
when you start breaking down everything you can think of to a matter of luck, it just doesn't make any sense to believe that's how people succeed. unless you're just a contrarian having a semantics argument where even deciding to read a book is "lucky" and doing drugs is "unlucky"
>>29108719
>It's a little more complex but yeah luck can be all you need.
Nigga please.70% of lottery winners wind up bankrupt.
This luck meme is moronic.
>>29107399
It's all luck. You can MUH HARD WORK AND DETERMINATION all you want, but you wouldn't be rich if you fucking got struck with cancer and spent most of your childhood trying not to die unless you were born into it.
I say this as a man who grew up in a doublewide and now has a six figure annual income. I'm here because I got lucky. Yeah I put in work, but even being able to put that work in was luck. No sense in being proud or ashamed of how lady luck treats you in life, or pretending she ignored you.
>>29108744
>tells you that you can get rich by investing
>doesn't know a single bit about investing
who'd have guessed
>>29108771
that just proves that if a poor person was less wasteful with his money he could live better than the richfags within a decade or two.
you'd be a moron to believe that money doesn't add up, even at the poor shitter level.
and btw loans exist for literally anyone who isn't a clinically retarded jackass. my dad grabbed 10k, bought a hair salon, bounced to middle class from a net worth of 3k for a family of 4 in 2 years. go to hell.
>>29108791
I don't see the connection to the point I made. But yes a whole fucking lot of lottery winners go bankrupt because they have no idea of how to handle that kind of money so they spent it go in debt and go bankrupt. But I honestly still don't see the connection to my comment? I was talking about the right circumstances to be intelligent and/or lucky enough and have the right opportunities at the right time. What exactly is the connection to winning the lottery?
>>29108771
>buying pizzas on welfare
and here we see the poorfag mentaility in full gear.
>>29108557
>he thinks liquid means only cash
>what are stocks
>>29108596
>innovative people create their own niches
Thsi isn't the 90's you retard. Name one major market niche created after the early 00's. Everything is filled with major corporations. You can't open a fucking convenience store anymore, because walmart crushes you with impossible-to-achieve prices. Tech is filled and you have to deal with your work being outsorced to eastern europe or india for 1/10 the cost and RnD costing in the tens of millions to even begin. 99,99% of people have to kiss corporate ass daily to survive and you spit empty rhetoric like "muh rich ppl are supr smart n gud and they evn break the supply and demand model bcz I say so"
>>29108791
>some people are utter retards
yeah, so what man?
They obviously got filthy fucking rich.
It's not like you will ever even be in the position to lose as much money as they did.
>>29108813
A IRA is a tax shelter. It's not investing.
a 401k is basically a pension account. It's not really investing either.
Slow your roll commie.
>>29108866
>But yes a whole fucking lot of lottery winners go bankrupt because they have no idea of how to handle that kind of money
It's almost like you need more than luck.
>>29108851
Do spent your money wisely? Yes? So where is your big house with your Ferrari?
It's literally the same shit as people telling people that smoke that they can save so much money that you could buy a Ferrari with it but then where is your Ferrari? Reality just doesn't like that anon.
>>29108881
>walmart
people like you existed in the 90s too. it's piss easy to open a store, you just do it online through amazon or make a nice webpage. fuck off clown.
>>29108868
Better yet, when they have kids in their early 20s.
Shit's hilarious.
>>29108851
>save $50 a month
wowie, in 2 years i can almost afford deathtrap to haul my ass to a minimum wage job
>just take out a loan bro! you need to take risks if you want to succeed ;)
eat shit shekelberg
>>29108887
calling everyone a commie that doesn't support your delusions of becoming a billionaire in the next 10 years, won't make it happen any more.
>>29108909
I didn't deny that at any point and still you need luck to have that kind of money in the first place. And again you need the luck to have the skill and/or mindset to be able to invest that kind of money properly. Also I still don't see the connection to my comment. But if you need to feel superior by shitposting without context or argumentatio please go on I have all the time in the world.
>>29108922
>big house with your ferrari
im about to have a kid but i'll be able to afford a mid range house outside seattle next year.
4 years ago i was 20k in debt and a student with a bio degree.
i'm a bad example of saving money because i like to travel. but im a good example of not wasting time, i moved to management with half a year of lab experience and now im in big pharma. go le fuck yourself with your ferrari you big dummy.
>>29108934
>thinks saving 50 a month is dumb
>thinks loans are dumb
and there you have all the answers you could ever want for why poor people stay poor.
>muh luck
JUST
>>29108909
they did not need luck to acquire the wealth.
That's the point.
lf l had that money, l'd never lose it.
lf you did, you propably woudn't either.
Yet we don't have the money.
>>29108924
it's piss easy to open a store
Of course it is. Keeping it afloat isn't, since you can't rival large corporations, price-wise
>>29108992
didn't say that. could you make it anymore obvious?
>>29107399
You realize the majority of wealth right now is generated by financial market manipulation of some kind? Tell your broker to buy low and sell high, wow, what a fucking genius you are.
>>29109016
that's why you sell to specific markets better than the bigger boys. this shit isn't a crazy concept, where have you been the last 10 years?
I'm lucky I make 100k through a family business. I keep myself living paycheck to paycheck because of all the money I spend per week on whores.
I'm buying my first house in a week or two. The down payment money got cut to me as a bonus of the course of 4 weeks (~17k). Otherwise I wouldn't have had a dime to put towards it.
That's going to push me to about 125k in salary this year. All my friends are servers at Applebee's and they all despise me because I make so much more than them and I work from home so I dick off most of the time. I still tell them to get fucked when they try to shit on me for what I have and they don't/
>>29109016
Depends on the product. You can also rival them quality wise, again, depending on the product.
>>29108968
>talks about spending ones money wisely
>creates a money swallowing machine
>>29108955
Lol. Trying to lecture people on investing and citing an IRA as an example.
Sorry anon, not going to pay a lot of attention to your financial avdice.
>>29108961
>And again you need the luck to have the skill
This in a nutshell why most of you r9k manchildren are insufferable losers.
>>29109067
>mfw degenerates attacking me from every angle
why is this thread even a conversation? you guys have your anime and video games that should be enough. when you get suicidal or whatever your problem is, go for it there are no consequences.
>>29109101
>there is no such thing as biological determinism
are you for real
>>29109050
>makes/keeps friends with applebees employees
tell me how i know you never worked a real job
>>29109135
>this is where i keep my genetics.jpg
too bad having beliefs can't get you laid, sperglord.
>>29108968
how does one move to management that fast?
>>29109135
>biological determinism
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard.
>>29109165
because it turns out that if you accept a job at a very shitty company that pays low, nearly everyone in that company will be trash.
also with a lot of science/engineering fields you always have small teams/labs within the larger framework, and training is a fucking whore. i showed interest in doing QA, and we only had one person doing it in a lab of 12. some people quit/got fired and i knew enough to take over. then i just asked for more shit to do and got to manage another lab for a while, put that shit on my resume and moved to a better company.
in other words im le lucky boi. it's odd that everyone in my family gets so lucky all the time, as well as a lot of the people i grew up with who wanted to make something of themselves.
>>29108992
>JUST
>"said anon, while posting on /r9k/"
>>29109042
>better than the bigger boys
You can't really outperform corporations nowadays. Name just one service you can provide cheaper and better than the current monopolistic provider in your area, that has already cut cost to a minimum, due to sheer volume.
>>29109051
>quality wise
From the 10 years observing middle class fags starting various small businesses and failing, I can tell you that brand beats "quality" 99% of the times. The normal entrepreneur would rather go to Deloitte for financial consulting tahn in Anon's Garadge Emporium
>>29109135
Hes probably just not an idiot.
>>29109101
Yep. What's the point of arguing w/ 'it's luck that you have the skill'?
It's christcuck level nonsense.
>>29109264
>it's odd that everyone in my family gets so lucky all the time
le genetics is everything meme confirmed
>>29109274
>monopolistic provider
dude are you high? let alone all the apps/pages opening up that find millions in funding every day, everybody and their mother has been turning a profit on selling things online. it's not going to make you rich unless you know your market much better, but you have this assumption that costs mean everything.
in the first world people prefer to buy more expensive shit. those "monopolistic" entities usually just win on volume, but they also have to pay a trillion employees which you don't need to deal with.
>>29109344
Circular neckbeard reasoning.
Maybe it works on stupid single moms?
>>29109356
>why did you hurt yourself, jimmy?
>it was muh genetics not me XD
i can't wait until screening only costs like $15 so this meme can go away.
>>29109139
They didn't start out at Appleebee's. I met most of them in college and they just havent done shit with themselves. Obviously when you hang with one or two people that work at a restaurant you end making friends with a lot of the staff.
Most of them are losers, my friends included.
>>29109424
>completely incompatible lifestyles
>"all despise me"
>"i tell them to get fucked"
>"friends"
I'm barack obama and i upvote this post.
when i was 2 years old my family moved to another state and bought out a shitty business for almost nothing seeing a great opportunity.
in the first 10 years it nearly failed completely 3 times. when i was 11 years old i had to leave school everyday and go directly to it and work until 8-11pm. during holiday breaks between grades i had to work literally everyday from 5am to 8pm. from 11 to 16.
the day i turned 16 i dropped out to work full time and support it. im 27 now and make 80k a year doing something almost anyone could do really. my father and grandfather are millionaires.
25 years of hardwork went into getting to where we are. ive had friends my age bring up how "lucky" we were and i just cannot see it. i dont think luck plays into anything when it comes to being successful.
>>29109485
it is luck. who else knew about that business you bought out at a bargain.
its luck. go fuck yourself and die.
>>29109362
>apps/pages opening up that find millions in funding every day
Again, you disregard the volume of failures. For every successful app and webpage, there are 999 unsuccessful. If anything, trying to make a profit of the internet actually really depends on your luck. Look at angry birds and flappybird- they made millions, even though they were plagiarised to no end and attained fame just because retarded normies were bored.
>turning a profit on selling things online
If you aren't actively selling/buying for the 5~10% profit, you are just selling your possessions away at low prices most of the time and you're actually at a net loss.
>>29109485
the problem is that most people are braindead and only see "success" as an instantaneous concept that you realize in the time frame of what a hollywood movie lasts.
sure someone can get lucky and make a lot of money on some crazy opportunity, but almost every single time that happens, he loses it all over time. you'd have to be insanely lucky to keep getting things right without actually being good at something, even its with persistence.
conversely, getting "unlucky" has never kept someone from finding success, if not measurable wealth. a lifetime is a fuckload of opportunities and everyone has their own priorities. if you can't believe that making money takes some learning and strategy, then you already forfeit any argument about what it means to get rich. you might as well be convincing somebody that learning basic grammar is luck.
>>29109591
>its luck. go fuck yourself and die.
The neckbeard's lament.
And somehow you dudes can't get laid? Mystifying.
>>29109620
>Again, you disregard the volume of failures. For every successful app and webpage, there are 999 unsuccessful
No shit dickhead. That's why it ius \know as 'success'. If everyone were able to do it, it would be known as 'mediocre' or 'average'.
By mathematical concept, MOST people are never going to be successful. That's the point.
>>29109675
See, I think part of the problem is that we have no working definition of successful. I make $120k/year, and that's pretty successful by most measures, but I still live paycheck to paycheck because my expenses are so high. My dad is a multimillionaire, and that's a whole 'nother level of success. He did work hard to build up the seed capital, but watching it turn into millions was down, in no small part, to luck once he started investing.
>>29109620
you disregard the fact that most "unsuccessful" failures are just trial and error runs by successful developers and salespeople. i don't even know what planet you live on senpai, if you said something about internet providers i could argue with you for a while, but selling anything at all?? jesus man you must be like 70 years old and just come out of a 20 year coma.
>>29109713
>That's the point.
That's exactly my point since the beginning. Ridiculing people, because they mathematical don't have the chance to make it big is the whole theme of this thread currently, as faggots state that everybody can be rich and successful if they willed it, when this could't be further from the truth.
>>29108278
oh look, another bs post that never ever fucking haened. never ever.
>>29109748
any self respecting dude could figure out if he'd be able to find success all over again from where he started. i knew for 2 years applying to 10 jobs at least every week that i'd get a nice cushy office position eventually, and by sheer "luck" ;) ;) i got one, but then i got 3 more offers the same month.
if its something where you just threw your chips down and picked up tenfold more, yeah i get the luck argument and it makes a great story. but 99% of professionals in the world who ever see a relatively large income got there the boring as fuck, time consuming, hard way.
>>29108682
lol oh boy yet another millionaire on 4chan.
>>29107399
>Being smart isn't luck
for fuck sake I want this bullshit to end. Your intelligence is genetic
>>29109917
only a small part yeah
>>29109752
> the fact that most "unsuccessful" failures are just trial and error runs by successful developers and salespeople
Oh, all those businesses and internet ventures going bankrut every year are only pretending to be unsuccessful and broke. I get it, the dot com bubble wasn't real and the fact that alphabet and facebook are creepingly taking over everything normalfags visit is also fake. Also, the new tech bubble isn't real too.
>>29109986
you sound bitter for some reason. your sarcasm is misplaced, i know plenty of people who just casually sell shit online and its fine for a few hundred/thousand dollars a month. and if you don't think most businesses are started by businessmen....well idk what your plan was for this argument.
>>29109917
Not really, you're taking it too literally. People don't just know how to invest and manage their money properly, that knowledge isn't a native thing. They seeked the knowledge to improve their life and capitalized on it.
"Being smart" just means doing your research and planning. You don't have to be a genius or even above average to do that, you just have to want to do it.
>>29107399
>there are multiple millionares on a site made for outcasts, on a board, made for the biggest failures, in a thread, made by random shitposters
Seems totally legit. There isn't ny roleplaying going on in here at all.
>>29107450
Use your brain and form an opinion for yourself
>>29110088
you could easily argue that there couldn't be any poor people here either
My dad is a multi-millionaire and he has an IQ of 98. Born and raised in the south. He was born in a poor family and just learned the ins and outs of business on his own.
Meanwhile my IQ is 110 and I have done nothing with my life. Just goes to show IQ isn't everything.
>>29110046
I'm not really bitter, just stating that making a successful business today is extremely hard and usually not to the abilities of the general public, despite what some of the numerous /r9k/ "millionares" posting here would tell you.
>>29109805
No it just means most people are average. Bright or talented people are again, by mathematical concept, above average. Average is average. It deserves neither ridicule nor props.
>>29110142
not any harder than in the 90s, its much cheaper now to get started and the challenge is elsewhere.
learning skills just takes time. people like you have always existed and will always exist, crying about automation and the man and how unfair life is.
>>29110132
IQ is just another meme, like astrology and personality type. It's parlor talk.
Success is drive and mental toughness.
>>29107399
>>29059442
This pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the amount of hard work, intelligence, and talent that goes into getting rich. Similar to Twitch whores who sit around playing video games for a few hours and make more in a day than you do in a month. Are they so talented?
>>29107727
>I WORK SIXTY HOURS A WEEK
>somehow still poor
If you're working 60hours a week and have 1 wife and 1 kid you're still over the poverty line.
8*53*60=$24960
Poverty line for a family of 3:
$20,160
Plus, the wife should work too.
If his wife and him both worked just the average 40 hours per week on a MINIMUM WAGE job, they'd be making $33280 a year, meaning they would be above the poverty line for SIX people.
>>29110214
>muh talent
>muh intellect
Faggots defending the rich itt are pathetic bootlickers. I would genuinely understand defending them if you were rich, but as a neet or a wageslave, its retarded.
>>29110214
>everyone who got rich made a twitch video
This is what privilege is. Incidentally a lot of people from white families have it, but that's irrelevant. The point is that nearly every person that lives in some kind of wealth came from some kind of wealth, they just don't realize it. The rags to riches story is almost entirely unheard of - if you dig deep enough into most of those stories it comes out that there's a trust fund or a rich boyfriend or something along those lines.
>>privileged child
>given best schooling possible
>gets doctor visits for their mental health issues
>has relatives with experience and advice for most of their difficult problems
>role models in close proximity, realize they can do anything they want to
>acquire a dream and strive towards it from a young age due to this
>graduate from school with plenty of extracurricular experience due to helpful parents pushing them in the right direction
>in their early 20s they enter the real world and have to do some normal work
>this is mindbendingly difficult for them and they continue to complain about it everyday until they retire
>>underprivileged child
>schooling is a crapshoot based on where they're born
>if they have ADHD or depression or anything it goes unmedicated
>their relatives are all blue collar workers at best and have no relevant experience or advice and will often scorn the child for trying to pursue higher education
>role models exist only in fiction
>spend most of their youth feeling aimless and lost, only realize later in life that they can make something of themselves if they work hard
>by this time they're usually stuck in some rut working 60h/w trying to survive in some city with hardly any spare time to educate themselves and catch up on lost time
>>29110262
No, but everyone got rich got there because we live in a random universe and sometimes no amount of hard work is going to get you anywhere, and sometimes no amount of hard work is going to get you somewhere. You can't deny this, looking at the evidence.
>>29110189
>learning skills just takes time
And Pajeet and Vladislav both have the same skills, but work for a fraction of the pay. What then?
>>29110279
Privilege is a rhetorical angle. It's low level political capital. Fuck off.
>>29110296
sometimes, sure. wow you are so clever???
>>29110279
>hardly any spare time
enough to gain skills necessary to move up though. stop being a lazy cunt if your goals are ahead of you still.
something to note: most poor people just don't care about being poor, even if they understand its worse.
Who could have guessed that r9k was full of huckster losers with tons of excuses?
>>29107399
Kinda. Part of making good business decisions means being in the right place at the right time to take advantage of it. Most people who are rich notice an opportunity in an existing market or identify that there is a market for something that is going untapped.
>>29110357
Correct. Very few people really want to be successful. I mean, most would take it if it fell in their laps, but it's not the guiding principle of their lives.
Buy some indoor grow equipment and grow weed, its not really hard and you won't become a millionaire unless you have a factory or a large empty space at hand, you can live comfortably on 20 plants works out at about 2000 pound a month to live off probably more I just cba to do the math right now
>>29110394
But there is no shortage of opportunities. Talented people see value. It's not luck.
>>29110320
No shit it's a rhetorical angle. We're communicating via rhetoric here. I was using it for its intended purpose by the textbook definition of the word, you fuck off.
>>29110357
Of course there's some time. Granted there's less if you want to be physically fit, or have any hobbies, or god forbid if you have a child. Time is capital for those in poverty and their masters consume it at every turn.
You can eek by though, inch after inch, if you try hard enough. Dedicate a spare hour here and there towards studying something like programming or a trade skill. It'll probably take years since self-study is incredibly difficult compared to being taught something by a professor, but maybe you'll get a job doing it. The point is that when people say "hard work is all it takes to become wealthy" they're full of shit and have taken a million advantages for granted.
>>29110404
Fuck doing it through hard work guys that a suckas game, hey come waste your youth doing shit menial jobs and maybe one day you'll rise to the top... Yeah fuck off I'd sooner chill at home all day doing fuck all and letting the money come to me
>>29110404
Until people with guns show up.
Weed and money are basically the same thing. You get all the problems that come with having large amounts of cash lying around.
>>29110440
So you have an angle then. So what? It's not worth anything. Childish nonsense.
>>29110461
I've done it for years no guns or scum have been round ever,I only do business with one guy and I don't broadcast it to the world, if you get robbed or stabbed it's tour own stupidity that caused it
>>29110490
If you keep it small. Eventually it will catch up with you. Bad business.
>>29107913
It you're working 2 jobs and not escaping poverty you're doing something wrong, no ifs ands or buts.
>>29110516
I do keep it small, just enough to live comfortably, being greedy always fucks you over in the end keep it small and simple and you'll be fine, I launder the money through a small business of mine shits comfy as fuck and the only real work comes when you cut it all down
>>29110481
It's to concisely illustrate a point. I could say:
>people with unrealized advantages that allow them to be more successful in life
or I could say
>people with privilege.
It's not my fault you get triggered by it, though it is unfortunate that the word has been abused to thoroughly by race-baiters that I can't even use it without making people upset.
>>29110600
Save it for your sociology class. In the business world that shit aint worth jack.
>>29110600
Again, who cares? It's just rhetoric. It's not the gospel. It's just an angle.
>>29110629
Kek. It's almost like college doesn't prepare people for the real world.
>>29110279
That second one describes my life except I'm not a broke loser because I learned how to save my income, started an index fund, got an education, and am well on my way to early retirement
>>29108031
I'm poor and I spent mine on food. Studies show most poor people spend money like tax returns on things they need, not fruitless luxuries.
>>29110279
Whose more privileged, an ugly upper class white male manlet, or a 9/10 lantino chick born in the projects?
'Privilege' is for political hucksters. Reality is nuanced.
>>29110657
Okay. You're the one who brought this shit up. I just used a word for the purpose of being concise. Stop wasting time arguing about this.
>>29110738
>>29110629
Holy fucking shit please people
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/privilege
just because insane leftists convinced themselves that the definition of this word has changed does not mean it has actually changed. I'm using it in the original context, IE a person who has "a right or benefit that is given to some people and not to others."
>be born into rich family
>automatically hated by 95% of the world
>automatically assumed I had an easy upbringing
>automatically convinced I look down on poor people
I didn't ask for this, at least give me a chance
>>29110858
But no rights or benefits have been given to them. That's why it's offensive you dense motherfucker. Everyone gets dealt a hand and no one can control theirs. And by your logic everyone who is successful was privileged. I'm sorry Bill Gates, you had intellectual privilege. Sorry Lebron, but you had unearned athletic privlige.
It's moronic clownshit political huckstering.
>>29110882
All memes aside, you sound like a fucking cuck.
>>29110600
You're sorry the race baiters mucked up your class baiting?
>>29110424
Yes but when starting a new business there is some level of being in the right place at the right time (especially if your not creator). Examples of this would be being in a position to to take advantage of a countable market when it happens or meeting the right people to help you successfully run a start up. Or your modules might not have predicted a sever loss in demand, like what happened as a result of the housing bubble, and your business goes under. Every venture has potential for failure, that's what risk is.
>earns literally billions of dollars per year
I'm sure that accurately reflects his value to society.
>>29111543
Forgot picv
>>29111329
You can chicken/egg it forever. Visionary people see opportunity no matter where they are. It's not contingent on time or place.
>>29111543
Wow you're like blowing my mind man
Let's be real, this 'luck' bullshit is really the first passive-agressive step in accepting defeat.
>>29111601
Nice meme response fag.
>>29111636
This guy makes literally some amount of money. I'm sure that accurately reflects his value to society in the current year.
>>29111706
We're both cucks unless you're a billionaire :^)
>>29110222
very nice comment thank you
