HIRO, IF YOU'RE READING THIS, DO NOT SPLIT /v/ INTO TWO BOARDS OR CHANGE ANY OF IT'S CURRENT RULES. INSTEAD, MAKE ANOTHER /v/ SPINOFF BOARD FOR JAPANESE GAMES ONLY AND LEAVE /v/ AS IT IS. 4CHAN IS A JAPANESE CULTURE CENTERED WEBSITE, SO HAVING A JAP-ONLY /v/ WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US.
>there are now TEN threads complaining about /v/ on the first few pages of the /qa/ catalog
Holy fucking shit, guys.
this desu. Increase post-time for the jap board, too, and give it nazi-tier moderation.
>>355676
It's the most popular board on the site. Of course it has a lot of threads.
fuck off
i think it's funny that the people who want /jv/ claim it would have less shitposting than /v/ when in reality it's the people who would use /jv/ that do all the "i want to lick lightning's armpits etc" shitposting
>>356010
Not all shitposts are equal.
>>355661
No, don't split /v/ any further.
Fuck off to 8gag if you want a board for every niche topic.
>>355661
>4CHAN IS A JAPANESE CULTURE
That why not-Japanese content should be banned.
>>355661
Fuck off.
> DON'T SPLIT /v/ BUT PLEASE SPLIT /v/ SO I DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THOSE AWFUL WEEABOOS UGH
Fuck
Off
Leave 4chan.
If you can't deal with Japanese Culture on the imageboard that was once dedicated to Japanese Culture, please leave 4chan.
>>355676
/v/ has problems. It has lots, and lots of problems.
Problem #1 is that /v/ is no longer the /v/ people knew and loved. It's morphed into this "neo-/v/" which is filled with people who would have been laughed and ridiculed out of /v/ ages ago.
The sad thing is: I don't think there's a way to fix it anymore. The only way to fix it is it delete /v/, wait a few months, and then make it again. That might not even fix it, nor do I think it's a good thing to do.
It's just people on a dying community complaining that it's glory days are long behind them. They complain about shitposters they can't get rid of, complain about Weeaboos who have always been there, and complain about other communities who now represent more of /v/'s population than people who have always browsed 4chan.
It's a mess
And there's no fixing it.
Do you kids at /v/ do anything but bitch and moan 24/7?
>>355661
Fuck off weeb
>>356169
What else can they do? Their community is dying, they can't discuss anything anymore without an army of shitposters invading their threads.
What else can you do except bitch and moan?
/v/ has become the new /b/ and they desperately want to change that, but they can't.
>>355661
>You should be able to solve this.
>>355661
Agreed. We need to move all the Japanese games, such as JRPG's any any Japanese games with an anime art style to say /jp. Leave /v/ as it is and make it a western gaming board.
>>355676
Because its getting worse on /v/. The Redditors and Facebookers are taking it over. Almost all threads end up into one giant shitposting fest because they seem to think its the norm. They know nothing about 4chan culture, hence why they seem to despise weeaboos with a passion. Any Japanese game with an anime artstyle nends up getting derailed because Redditors come in and call everyone pedophiles. Increased moderation and enforced rules will not work anymore on /v/. A move IS needed at this point. Its the only way to save /v/
>>356010
Really dude? Have you seen the amount of Fallout 4 shitposting, the amount of Star Wars Battlefront shitposting, the LOL threads, the E-celeb threads, the off topic meme threads that stay up for hours at a time? Its not the weebs fault, its the westakeks fault for ruining the board.
>>356032
Enough of this 8gag shit. They did nothing to us at all. We need more boards on here to create new diverse communities. moot didn't like that because we wanted peace and harmony across all boards, and with what has been happening, that is no longer possible.
>>356148
>>356183
Yes we can. We move the weebs to either /jp/ or give them a Japanese gaming board of their own, Touhou's and Visual Novels included
>>356225
>Fallout 4 shitposting
There's hardly any, unless you consider any posting about the game at all to be shitposting
If you wanted the quintessential example of a shit thread in /v/ it's the Neptunia threads, I've read like 20 of them because I'm a sucker for punishment and I still don't have a single clue what the game is about
Honestly if there's going to be a split /vj/ needs to be a nsfw board, cause 90% of weeb threads are just softcore porn threads so might as well just go all the way
Here's the thing though - I really don't care about these threads, they exist and don't bother me, but for some reason actually discussing games (which is way more likely to happen in major AAA and PC gaming threads than JRPG threads) bothers you significantly
>>355661
>DO NOT SPLIT /v/
>MAKE ANOTHER /v/ SPINOFF
/v/ermin everyone.
>>355661
>acknowledges that /v/ has an issue between western and eastern games
>instead of a split in the board, let's split the fucking site :^)
This is how you spot a shitter, everyone.
>>356262
Because you Westakeks keep shitposting all the damn time and derail them. and then you call everyone pedophiles
>>356262
>There's hardly any, unless you consider any posting about the game at all to be shitposting
>we dindu nuffin!
Everyone knows that this exaggerated "everything about the game sucks and I'm being totally honest!" bullshit isn't legitimate. Stop playing innocent every time you're called out on it.
>>356282
Please give me one link to a thread being derailed over pedo accusations
Hard mode: The thread actually didn't involve lolis at all
>>356262
>There's hardly any,
>F4 not shitposting
There is a lot of shitposting between old Fallout and new Fallout fans that lasts for years on /v/ and you're telling me there is no shitposting? Son, this better be fucking bait.
>>356288
And yet somehow it's still less shitty than waifuspam vita threads, because at least they're actually discussing a fucking video game
>>356295
>And yet somehow it's still less shitty than waifuspam vita threads, because at least they're actually discussing a fucking video game
Uh huh. Behold. Totally not a Fallout waifu thread. I'm out.
>>>/v/317485726
>>356296
oh look it's exactly one of those softcore porn threads i was talking about
>>356302
a thread full of people sharing their characters, in other words, actually discussing the fucking game
if that's your definition of shitposting you're fucking delusional. i'm starting to wonder if i'm getting baited here
>>356305
>softcore porn
Really? Its a fucking major fighting game and yet people are throwing hissy fits because the girls are too "sexy"
>>356295
>waifuspam vita threads
a thread full of people sharing their characters, in other words, actually discussing the fucking game?
>>355661
>i'm not saying we should split /v/
>but we should split /v/
>>355661
>4CHAN IS A JAPANESE CULTURE CENTERED WEBSITE, SO HAVING A JAP-ONLY /v/ WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US
Hasn't been for years.
There's already something like 3 /v/s. No need for another one.
>>356409
>Hasn't been for years.
We can still go back to our roots like moot wanted. Making a Japanese /v/ would be a good start.
How about all of you faggots stop trying to get Hiroyuki to split our board? Shitposting is the problem with /v/ right now, not your overblown Eastern content vs. Western content wars.
Did something happen to piss off a few board users to want a split for /v/ SO BADLY? Is /a/ trying to mess with /v/ again?
We don't need a board for every specific little thing you keks. If you want this place to become cripplechan bad then go ahead and start creating more boards.
>>356427
We all have different theories on how to fix the issue. We're discussing it all, hence the point of this thread.
Present a clear solution or fuck off. All you shitters have been doing is going against other people's solutions.
>>356437
I just don't want my home board to be permanently crippled, even though I realize things have been really bad lately. There's even a precedent for this in /d/ and /aco/ being repurposed, all you hear are complaints about the split and no one is happy. Hiroyuki seems to be listening to each board individually but he hasn't done this for /v/ after he asked us to discuss changes on our board. Not one post.
Browsing through the catalog, there's a couple of good starting ideas: adding some more word filters to /v/ would be nice, there's always some shitters who can't stop using only a few words to express their opinion. Increased moderation would be ideal but that is really difficult with a lack of manpower. Encouraging other posters to report off-topic threads needs to be more prevalent, and a sticky might help a little with that, even if it's not much.
If there is a single split that should be made, it's a board for e-celebs, game "journalism" and game "culture", and twitch/yt nonsense. I haven't heard anyone want to argue that would be bad.
>>356444
>Increased moderation would be ideal but that is really difficult with a lack of manpower.
That's not true. Mods can moderate /v/ properly. They just choose not to.
When /v/-/vg/ split happened, mods cracked down on shitposting on /v/ and for a short while, board was literally shitposting free. Not a single off-topic/low-quality thread or post stayed up for more than a couple of minutes.
But the shitposters whined endlessly to moot and he caved in and told mods to stop moderating /v/ that hard, and the board has been a shithole ever since.
>>356448
Let me clarify that, competent manpower. I'm not sure exactly how moot handed the reshuffling of some of his mods during the fiasco last year, but while the mods made a conscious decision in the past to relax moderation, I'm certain almost all of them aren't around any more. We have mods who are extremely inconsistent with what they delete, hence the thread asking for a clarification on Teaching Feeling because their threads are getting deleted while there were several Visual Novel game threads up last night and more than one up today.
Hiroyuki has also stated he wants to take his sweet time to hire new mods for the site.
For example, there's a fucking thinly-veiled sadpanda thread up right now and mods are aware of it because they deleted some of the NSFW images in it. >>>/v/317523289
That's why I said moderation improving is a pipe dream for right now unless some other board mods came to help.
>>356444
>If there is a single split that should be made, it's a board for e-celebs, game "journalism" and game "culture", and twitch/yt nonsense. I haven't heard anyone want to argue that would be bad.
This needs a general in /vg/, not an entire cancerous board.
>>356474
A general in /vg/ wouldn't work, it's too big of a shitty topic. Hell, mods don't even enforce the /vg/ rule anymore, as shown by Undertale sticking around with daily threads with hundreds of posts. There's a general on /vg/ that is absolute cancer for it, but posters there even admit it's shit, so they come to /v/ for discussing it: >>353536
It'll be a containment board with no pretense of actual discussion, but I want to stop seeing those threads constantly. It feels like the aftermath of GG made discussing game political shit more frequent than game discussion.
>>356474
It needs to go into the /trash/ with everything else
>>356427
Didn't you see the links to the alleged shitposting
This entire thing is orchestrated by the one DOA faggot who faps to Marie all day, and is sad that people are making fun of him for fapping to Marie all day
>>355661
>hey guys dont fucking split /v/ buts lets split /v/ and create two boards with the same problem and traffic just a different flavour
Splitting /v/ into western and Japanese games is the best solution.
Westernfags have literally no argument other than kicking and screaming and saying no.
>>356587
Thee only argument they can think of is they don't want to be like Reddit or 8gag
How about changing /vg/ to /jv/ and the western generals will have to move back to /v/?
>>356663
Why not just make /jp/ Otaku Gaming and Culture? That way you can have Touhou and Visual Novel games. Just leave /v/ as it is, but make it Western Gaming.
However there will be exceptions. An Eastern made game done in a western artstyle such as Metal Gear, Dragon's Dogma, and Dark Souls ARE allowed on Western Gaming. Vice Versa for Western games done in an eastern style
>>356677
>Vice Versa for Western games done in an eastern style
No thank you, /jv/ doesn't need your weeaboo shit.
>>356677
/jp/ should be left alone.
>>356677
Nah. If you move the video games to /jp/ then it's going to end up like /asp/ when the wwefags took over plus /v/ and /jp/ don't have the same posters.
>An Eastern made game done in a western artstyle such as Metal Gear, Dragon's Dogma, and Dark Souls ARE allowed on Western Gaming
Why? They should stay on /jv/ to balance things out from the waifuspam and weeb games everyone is scare of.
Also this >>356681
>>356001
/b/ is
How about instead of creating /wv/ instead of /jv/, not renaming /v/ and banning all the Western shitters who won't leave?
>>357625
>instead of creating instead of
How about you proofread your post?
/v/ doesn't need a split, it needs more consistent moderation. Even though it is odd that /v/ is never the hypothetical Japanese game boards in these threads.
>4CHAN IS A JAPANESE CULTURE CENTERED WEBSITE, SO HAVING A JAP-ONLY /v/ WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US.
No, it's not.
>4chan is a simple image-based bulletin board where anyone can post comments and share images. There are boards dedicated to a variety of topics, from Japanese animation and culture to videogames, music, and photography. Users do not need to register an account before participating in the community. Feel free to click on a board below that interests you and jump right in!
Which part of that says "Japanese culture centered website", newfag?
Anon's 10 Theses on Why /v/ Should Not Split By Region
1) Splitting up the board may not necessarily decrease moderator workload. Let us say that /v/ has some amount x users. Let us then say that /v/ is split into two boards. One may then argue that the two boards would then each have a fraction of x. However this is not the case. Users x are not necessarily confined to either new board, some ratio of the users x will post on both boards (for example I post on both /v/ and /vr/). Through this we will have artificially increased the value of x since adding up the total amount of users for both boards should then lead to a value greater than x.
2) The above works on a reasoning that both boards have sufficient use but let us say that one board (doesn't matter which) "dies" and does not see very much user input. If this were to happen we will have put in the effort to create and moderate a new board but will not see enough user input to validate the effort.
3) Additionally, if the boards split and one "dies" we will have arbitrarily limited the total possible discussion of videogames and lowered possible user input.
4) There are games made by studios from one region that are exclusive to platforms of another region as an example we'll say Metal Wolf Chaos. This could fall under the purview of either board and, if allowed to be posted upon in either board we will have again artificially increased potential moderator workload and we also invalidate the point of the board split.
5) Alternatively, if we do not let it be posted on either board we will need to create a rule set that is needlessly complex for the users. With that said, I suppose that a generic rule set you could make would be that Developer>Console>Publisher (or any combination thereof). But even such a simple rule set would not necessarily be followed by the users. /v/ has fairly simple rules (talk about videogames) but it routinely fails to follow them, why create two boards to also fail?
>>357898
6) In the case of multiplats (let's say Resident Evil 4) if they are allowed to be discussed on either board we will have again increased moderator workload while also invalidating the point of the board split.
7) A unique problem for multiplats if they are to be split (example being can't talk about the Xbox version on the Eastern /v/) would be that we can no longer discuss the game through comparison with itself. This is one of the most important aspects of multiplats for consumers (which version runs better or has more content or whatever) and should be an obvious potential point of discussion for the users.
8) How would the split even work for PC? Steam is a western service but not all the games on it are western designed. And steam isn't even the only PC platform. We also still have the part 7 problem of multiplats.
9) The previous few points were focused on the console rather than the developer. So lets say that it is a developer based board split. In such a case we just arbitrarily split what games can be talked about in the board. Let's look at the Nintendo Wii U for some examples. In the Western board you could discuss Tropical Freeze or Punch Out Wii being put on the Virtual Console but you would not be able to talk about Super Smash Brothers for Wii U or Super Mario 3D World. Such a board split seems unnecessary in that it does split the board but without much due cause.
10) In the description of the board split one side is often portrayed as a safe haven and the other is portrayed as a slum. There is obviously some bias floating around those in favor of the board split and there does not appear to be even token effort put in to fix or even hide this. As far as I can tell there have been no straightforward reasons shown in favor of the board split that made an attempt to be unbiased. Holding this true then one should refrain from supporting the split until good reason is shown.
>>357898
>>357899
1. Weebs getting their own board to discuss weeb games will absolutely reduce shitposting from the two factions and in turn mean less moderator workload. But that's besides the point, people don't want the board to reduce moderator workload (as if moderators even bother with /v/), it's to give people who actually like video games a different board from people who just come there for epic memes.
2.-3. Complete nonsense. These arguments are a waste of text space. 0% chance of this happening. Might as well argue that there's a chance the apocalypse will start if Hiro decides to add the weeb gaming board, it's about as likely to happen. Video games are the most popular hobby in the world, and Jap video games and general weebery are popular as hell on this site.
4.-9. Create /jv/ for Japanese video games, keep /v/ as it is. You can still technically post Japanese stuff on /v/ if you want just like you can right now post retro games if you want, but obviously very few people will choose to do so. Normalfags will obviously still talk about AAA Western-orientated Jap titles like Bloodborne and MGSV on /v/, but real weebs will be able to talk about all weeb shit just fine on their own board. Nothing complex about these rules.
10. What are you even trying to say here? The split is bad because people who want to be split from /v/ think most people on /v/ are retarded? How is that an argument against the split? If anything, it's an argument for the split, since it shows how soured the relations between the two groups are.
>>357936
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
>>357936
I suppose in the case of a “soft” split (similar to /v/ and /vr/ as opposed to /v/ and /vg/) most of my concerns are alleviated since overlap is no longer significant (which was the reasoning for points 4 through 9).
However, as for point 10 my concerns are different. The point I was trying to make is that the majority of the advocates for the split (that I have seen) have a relevant bias but don't try to work around it. Rather, the reasons in favor of the split are usually to get away from the normies (a petty reason for board creation) or to keep threads on topic but I've yet to see any proof (posted by others or even from my own experience) that weeb threads receive any more off topic posts than any other thread. This actually wouldn't be too hard of a concern to alleviate. Since we have an archive and since weeb threads would not necessarily have a reason to be pruned (at least not any more than a standard thread) if we were to look through threads in the archive we could create some standard ratio of on-topic/off-topic posts per thread (with probably some threshold for total posts in the thread to overcome in order for the thread to be significant) and then compare the average of a weeb thread with the average of the board as a whole. From this we could then have a solid talking point on why or why not the board should be made.
Arguably I could have done this myself but since I'm not the one advocating for a weeb board the threads that I would pick may not necessarily be the same as the threads that a hypothetical advocate would expect to see on /jv/ (and also I'm lazy)
>>357973
No one is going to put in that much effort, especially not into something everyone except internet devils advocates see as self-evident.
>>357987
Hi there!
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!
Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
>>357987
Then how about something similar but simpler, the archive has threads from the past week or so, surly there was at least one thread within the last 7 days which hits these qualifications:
1) Was a weeb thread (preferably based around a non-AAA western oriented game)
2) Received at least 100 posts
3) Had some significant degree of off topic posts
Can you recall at least one thread within the last 7 days which hits these qualifications? I'd appreciate seeing what the problem is that isn't already a board wide issue. Preferably you'd point out some posts that you find to be off topic so that I don't have to guess what posts you're talking about but even if you don't I suppose I wont complain.
I'm not entirely against the idea of a soft region based split but I would think that there should be some sort of effort put in from the advocates to prove that it would be worthwhile to create the new board.
>>355661
>Don't make another /v/
>Make another /v/
Wot?
