Did Martin Bryant's actions save more lives from gun violence and mass shootings than he murdered?
Discuss
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia
Yes, for now. But who knows what will happen in the future. We don't know how society will change in Australia.
There might come a time where we might end up regretting disarming the entire nation.
>>77328571
You know fine well he didn't do it.
>>77328708
it is true that our army can't protect our whole coast line. Is it ever possible that Indonesia or China could invade?
>>77328772
>>77328571
Most Americans won't disagree that it may have. But that isn't the point. Did his actions restrict freedom in any way? If yes, then we don't like it.
>>77328772
surely he would have been suicided if he was a puppet.
You fags caved hard. You know I always thought it was funny how our colonial brothers that decided to stay in the Empire spent 200 years talking about muh tradition and muh English this and English that. And yet one of the most cherished of the English rights, the right to keep and bear arms, we're the ones who are doing the best to preserve it.
You owe this man an apology, frankly.
>>77328820
>it is true that our army can't protect our whole coast line. Is it ever possible that Indonesia or China could invade?
ask anyone near Normandy if someone could invade.
>>77328911
Isnt he rotting in jail and nobody is allowed to interview him?
>>77328772
M8 can I have some of what you're smoking
>>77328820
We have just under 30,000 regular and 15,000 reserves to defend a place the size of Europe.
Pic related: 10,000 Tiger Forces + 100,000 regular SAA + 100,000 SAA reserves + 10-30k Hezbollah/Iranians can't even hold a country the size of Victoria.
>>77328571
>muh mass shootings
All the other violent crime shot up significantly. Bravo. Well done. So successful.
>>77328571
>he STILL think Bryant did the Port Arthur massacre
>>77328571
>cunts get shot daily
>law-abiding citizens disarmed
makes me ashamed to be strayan desu
>>77328571
can you link me to the interview of bryant err explaining his motives and his planning thanks
ile wait
>>77329150
Yeah, but a huge chunk of that land is of no value to any invading force. That and you have allies like America and friends to back you up. Before you go on calling us Americunts (Uh-merry-kee-unts), know that I would gladly go die for you country without hesitation (not that I'd have a choice being a government slave). At least I can believe in the folks we were fighting to help in that case.
>>77328571
The new gun laws were Lisa Simpson's rock that keeps tigers away.
>>77328571
this nigga actually won the lottery and bought a $5000 AR
sounds like something the typical /pol/ user would do desu
>>77328571
>Believing in Hoax Arthur
>Not understanding statistics
Nice one, kys
>>77329641
That's great to hear that, mate. I often wondered if Americans gave a fuck about us and would forget us if we we're invaded.
I do appreciate what America does for everyone world wide. I'd also gladly fight for Britain, America or Canada.
>>77329641
the coastline is where all major cities and towns are made up though
its only the desert thats not that important which is in the interior
>>77328571
Murder was going down before 1996, and slowed its descent after the new restrictions. By the standard of its goals, the law was counter-productive.
>>77328571
America is a country with more people
more borders
more diversity
and more niggers
>>77329150
>Be China
>Australia has pissant fighting force
>Invade Catherine
>Can't advance further because everything around for 2000km is sand
>Launch simultanious attack on city
>Get rekt because forces are concentrated in cities
>>77329673
I wanna buy your rock!
>>77329534
You forgot to turn on your proxy, you seppo cunt.
>>77330033
You'll get one of your own soon Ameribro.
>>77330038
>seppo cunt
nah cunt i'm over here for work for the week
what could be more strayan than drinking some foreign cunts' beer?
>>77328911
He has never been found guilty in a court of law. He did not have a trial.
how does a guy with an IQ of a monkey manage to kill 35 people with headshots
>>77328571
Well, considering gun homicides, like all homicides have continued the exact same steady decline since the late 60's, no.
Objectively it made no difference total lives saved or lost.
Pic related helped much more.
>>77328772
Yeah we know
>>77329004
You can interview him. You won't get much out of him. Did you watch the police interviews? The guy is an autistic retard.
They said he occasionally tries to brag to other prisoners and they just avoid his fat ass.
>>77330252
but assaults have been increasing
>>77328571
actually no
if the homicide rate went way up, this means that the gun law actually killed more people than saved
>>77330169
it'd better not be fosters.
drink fosters and I'll gut you myself.
>>77330195
Yeah, that's usually what happens when you plead guilty dumbass.
>>77330003
China has massive sand desert areas used as training grounds my man.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobi_Desert
>>77330325
So what?
They've been plummeting in Sydney lately thanks to nowhere being fucking open for a drink.
>>77330251
What does being dumb have to do with how well you shoot?
You fucking clown.
>>77330195
>what is a confession?
>>77330362
It didn't. It went down. At the same pace as it was going decades prior to the gun ban.
If you're talking about mass, random, double digit shootings by autistic weirdos...Well, we haven't had one since Bryant.
If you're talking about homicides...Well, they have been dropping since the 60's, and even with Bryant's then world record, the rate STILL didn't change.
>>77330440
t. cant aim for shit
>>77330410
theres a difference between staging a land invasion of a desert country and invading with an amphibious assault and praying the 12 subs that you have graciously supplied us with wont pound at said invaders shipping lines until they are starving to death
>>77330389
His initial plea was not guilty. He maintains his innocence today. His state appointed lawyer recommended/coerced him to plead guilty.
He should go to trial. Legal experts agree that he should.
>>77330482
Never happened, nice expose of your faggot cunt self.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant
"Bryant was judged fit to stand trial, and his trial was scheduled to begin 7 November 1996. Bryant initially pleaded not guilty, but was persuaded by his court-appointed lawyer and the prosecution to plead guilty to all charges.[6]"
Nothing sus.
He got conned by the whole "even if you're innocent, you have no chance to win, plead guilty for a lighter sentence" shtick.
>>77330618
Not really, no, they could easily get tens of thousands of boots on your ground just by mobilizing their fishing boats.
>>77329884
True, but it will be a long fucking time before any Navy possesses the ability to go toe-to-toe with the USN in a large scale battle that would be an attempted invasion of Australia. Their only hope would be to, somehow, air drop resources into the interior and attack outward towards the populated coastal areas.
Beyond outside help, I pray for the sorry fuckers who try to fight the ADF in general, let alone on their own turf. I have always liked Australians, but my experiences with the ADF in Afghanistan gave me a new level of respect for the type of hard cunts you all fill the ranks with.
Like most Anglo nations, you do not want to fuck with them when it comes to killing in an organized manner. Same opinion of the Britcunts, some hard-charging, 0 fuck giving man men in their armed forces as well.
>>77330699
Yes it did. I am guessing you weren't even born when this shit went down.
>>77330989
*mad men
>>77330877
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
It's a good thing you linked to the "massacre," because nobody cares about Australian news.
>>77331057
You're a faggot cunt and when you speak nothing but shit comes out of your mouth. Sit down and shut up.
>>77330877
>China invades
>100,000s of chinese soldiers in australian mainland
>they dont even need to forcefully remove people from their homes to setup base and places for soldiers to sleep because they just goto the hundreds of thousands of homes they already bought up and own
>they open up shops and start selling shit cheaper
>nobody actually minds
>>77331141
God damn, it's been a long time since I was on /pol/ during prime time 'Stralia hours. This is fucking great.
>week before the shooting an anti-gun politician says if Parliament doesn't pass anti-gun laws there would be a mass shooting very soon; JUST A PURE COINCIDENCE, HONESTLY
>literal retard manages to headshot 30 people
>witnesses gave varying descriptions of the shooter, some even saying there were multiple shooters
>bullets were never matched up with any guns Bryant owned or allegedly used during the shooting
>lawyer convinced Bryant to plead guilty by telling him his friends and family would be in trouble if he didn't
simply put, if there were a trial, there wouldn't be enough evidence to put him away
>>77331125
oh m8 i am so offended you really got me there
>>77330989
This guys knows what's up.
>>77331206
Wait until they start building skyscrappers, that'll teach you.
>>77331206
HAHAHA so true. I remember there was Chinese tourist shops in Surfers Paradise were you could only purchase things with Chinese yuan.
>>77330003
that is assuming the emus don't get them first.
Saying there is a causal connection to the gun ban and their being no more mass shootings is a fallacy. Especially when there is so much evidence to the contrary with the rise in gun crime and examples of other countires.
>>77331679
Tbh if the emu try shit the chinks will just have a good old bbq
>>77329246
>>77329246
Actually our violent crime rate is at record lows, how has NRA propaganda managed to spread to Canada? Not to mention murder rate is close to half what it was before the laws, fucking leafs have almost a 50% higher homicide rate LOL.
Sauce: http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html
>>77329856
some Americans are shit tier and don't care about anyone but themselves. They are self hating, flag burning cunts. The rest of us think Australia is bro tier even if we don't like your laws.
>>77330325
*reports* of assaults have been increasing. There's now far greater requirements regarding the following up of domestic violence for one, and new laws have created categories of assault that didn't exist prior.
>>77331773
The gun ban was in 1997. As you can see, after 1997 nothing happened, except perhaps an increase in crime. Coincidently, the crime started going down once the guns banned started getting back in circulation. There are just as many guns in Australia now as there were before the ban.
>>77329856
Yeah brother, I don't know who the fuck is trying to give Australians any other impression. Ask any respectable American what they think about Australia and it's likely to be something very positive. Same with the UK. Same with France. The media and the internet might have you believe otherwise, but when have they ever accurately portrayed the opinions of competent and proud men and women of respectable nations? We're basically brothers from the same fucked up, abusive parents that ran away from home in separate directions; but at the end of the day family is family above all other heathens in this world.
>>77330482
A confession is words
>>77330362
tfw the homicide rate was almost 2/100,000 before the laws and is now 1.1/100,000. For comparison the US with all your guns and freedoms is 4.8/100,000 aka higher than some sub-Saharan African countries. How does it feel to be a retard?
>>77328571
You realize the homicide rate in Australia was not effected at all by the gun ban right?
>>77332138
http://www.baka.com.au/federal-politics/editorial/three-million-guns-is-more-than-enough-20130114-2cppg.html
"IT SHOULD be troubling to Australian governments that since 1988, after more than 1 million guns have been destroyed as a result of government buyback programs, numerous amnesties, voluntary returns, the banning of semi-automatic weapons and the tightening of gun import controls, the number of guns in private hands in Australia is as large as it has ever been."
> the number of guns in private hands in Australia is as large as it has ever been.
So, more guns, less crime? There are more guns in Australia now, laws be damned.
>~1/100,000
so, like the vast majority of advanced nations, whether or not they have liberal or restrictive firearms ownership legislation?
>>77331281
Yes there would be.
If you want suspicious look at this completely under reported and skimmed over fact;
>Two laws in Tasmania regarding firearms at the time.
>Must have a gun license to purchase
>Must register handguns
Bryant purchased his guns from private dealers.
Neither of them were charged, named, let alone prosecuted for supplying the weapons for our largest massacre, despite flagrantly breaking one of the only two fucking laws in existence regarding selling or owning guns.
>>77329150
This.
If the US doesn't help us we are fucked if anyone wants our country.
>>77332207
Proper link:
http://www.baka.com.au/federal-politics/editorial/three-million-guns-is-more-than-enough-20130114-2cppg.html
>>77330657
This, 8months with no visits getting grilled everyday. As soon as he said what they wanted to hear they destroyed everything and gave him life.
>>77332138
To be fair I bet a huge chunk of their count IS from sub-saharan Africans.
>>77332138
Take ghetto-on-ghetto violence out of that equation and tell us what the homicide rate in America is. You are not comparing apples to apples here and the vast majority of murders in the US are committed with weapons that would not fall under an "assault weapons" ban. It's usually small caliber handguns obtained illegally, which, big surprise, the laws would have no affect on.
>>77331281
>>77332225
This. The Tasmania thing is suspicious as fuck.
>>77332272
okay, won't let me link to Sydney morning herald because of "shaking my head" filter I guess.
>>77330657
>He maintains his innocence today.
Except for when he's gloating or bragging about the killings to other prisoners and guards.
The dude is a blubbering retarded mess. And he started out as a barely coherent autistic mess to begin with.
His motivation, which has only been released recently was "Muh Attention", after the media spent 24/7 hyping Dunblaine.
>>77331928
Laws don't impact overnight you mong, especially ones like the 1996 ones. Indeed there is more now, but that's not a problem cos they are now *regulated* you fucking spastic, so people have to store them properly and have proper training for them. In the US, 200,000 guns are stolen every year due to their fucked laws; in Australia the figure is literally TWO-HUNDRED times lower, thus meaning far fewer crims have access to guns, and hence the massive reduction in the use of firearms in crime.
>>77330989
Japan sorta, kinda, drew up plans for a ground invasion.
Basically;
>Can't be fucked
>Too hard
>Nothing there
They were just going to blockade us into submission and wait for the war to end. They only ever really attacked us to try and keep the Americans at home.
>>77328571
>>77328924
>regular true Aussie blokes agree with this
Kikes, women and fags got us this and there's been more and there will be more to come
>>77332450
Firearms in crimes has fluctuated since the ban.
Goes up sometimes, goes down others. It's all using illegal, mostly imported guns. And it's drug dealers shooting other drug dealers, so no one cares.
The gun ban's appeal has been keeping them out of the hands of Supreme Gentlemen.
>>77328571
>Martin Bryant's actions
>>77328772
This.
With the amount of shots he was able to make from such distances he would've been drafted into suicide squad if he had of actually done it
>>77332207
Please stop being spastic. I have no issue with properly regulated gun ownership aka having to actually store them securely, undergo thorough background checks and basic training. Of course guns sold and held in such a manner will be far less likely to fall into the hands of criminals, or be used for criminal acts. You're literally supporting gun control with your post. Gun control does not equal complete confiscation m9.
>>77328772
Yes he did. A little known fact the denialists always skip is that Martin had been using firearms for years, he knew how to use them
>>77332450
So, more legal ownership of guns = less crime?
> far fewer crims have access to guns
http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/10/australias-hidden-gun-problem-worst-suburbs-gun-crime/
"There were 231 charges laid by Victoria Police against City of Hume residents in the 12 months to the end of June, up almost 200 per cent in a decade."
You don't know what you're talking about, cocksucking faggot cunt.
>>77332522
The Australian Institute of Criminology disagrees with you m8.
>>77332598
"Go fuck yourself you stupid fucking piece of shit kike"
>>77332598
Post Nordic countries with good gun laws and show how little gun crime there is and also how little mass shootings there were when America was 90% white
>>77332073
Fuck me! You just keep getting better!
>>77332625
What are you even trying to get at? Because crime went up in one specific area that negates the almost 50% drop in homicide rates across the whole nation since the laws? NOT AN ARGUMENT! You're grasping at straws here, soz I had to demolish you.
>>77332225
Not enough to pin him for the shootings. They could get him for having a gun and that's it
There was an article in my local paper today. A policeman came to look at a farmer's gun safe. Farmer had gun safe open and ammunition/guns out for cleaning, but still within his house. Farmer wasn't present, as he had gone out to retrieve sheep that had wandered off his property.
Police entered his house without a warrant, seized his guns and ammunition, and then put a note on his door saying he had done so. It wasn't made clear if the cop broke in.
Farmer was charged with firearm offenses and lost his firearms. Probably going to lose license.
Does this seem wrong to anyone else?
>>77332571
Not hard to shoot people with a semi-auto in a packed cafe desu, the conspiracies around Port Arthur are retarded.
>>77332760
Homicide rates haven't gone down that much. Gun homicides, sure, but not overall homicides.
>>77332760
> Because crime went up in one specific area
It went up in the areas where criminals are most likely to exist. Those particular suburbs of Melbourne and Sydney have seen gun crime and gun possession amongst criminals, such as middle eastern gangs, dramatically increase.
Facts.
The laws have not stopped criminals getting guns, especially the worst kinds of criminals. The worst kinds have more guns than ever.
There is more legal private ownership of guns in Australia than before the bans.
>>77332923
He picked people off while behind his truck at points
>yfw Australia is a significantly more dangerous place now than it was 20 years ago
>>77328571
Port Actor, more like.
Dunblaine.
Sandy Hook
Colombine.
The Hungerford Massacre
One of them is an obvious hoax. But what about the rest?
How mad will you be when it comes out that the news has been hoaxed since before TV even existed?
>>77332496
That's a pretty dank meme you've got there bud. The problem is that the intent had nothing to do with a specific weapon (your dank musket), but the parity with weapons that could be used against the people.
Furthermore, a vast, vast, vast majority of gun owners in America have no delusions of "muh militia," but instead would like the ability to defend themselves in a manner deemed reasonable.
The next terrible piece of logic this brings us to is when scared, gun-grabbing retards try to say "you don't need that much ammunition, you don't need the ability afforded by an AR15, etc, etc, etc."
These people are under the belief that you can stop an attack with a single shot, or even a couple shots. Ask anyone who has ever been in a gunfight their opinion on that. LEOs have dumped entire magazines into people in a gunfight and lost or damn near lost. People are resilient. If I find myself without the rule of law to lean on (let's use a natural disaster for example), I'm damn sure going to be glad I have 30 round magazines to defend myself, my property, my loved ones and my neighbors if need be. Before you think that is some sort of fantasy, study what really happened during and directly after Katrina. Not the picture painted by most coverage, but what really happened on the ground. There were literal roving gangs. LOTS of people were killed after the hurricane by gangs and looters and a majority of those went unsolved or were just chalked up to the general destruction.
Land of the regulated, home of the scared. Sounds like a good change to the Anthem for some folks...
>>77332874
It's perfectly right. Firearms stored like that are very easily stolen, and thus could end up in the hands of potentially murderous criminals. The cops were entirely in the right; the laws they enforced are the reason we don't have 200,000 guns stolen per year like the US. Fun fact: gun owners in the US are involved in on average 250 justifiable homicides per year. That means that gun owners are 1000 times more likely to have their guns stolen and fall into the hands of criminals than to use them to kill a criminal. And then they have the nerve to complain about the "black market"..
>>77328772
Nothing to see here m9
>>77332656
Huh. The one I googled showed an increase in the mid 2000's.
>>77332617
>>77332617
No he didn't he'd just got his first gun and couldn't even hit a tin can
>>77332390
Regardless, the man was not mentally fit to confess to anything. Those detectives had him in that interrogation room and they worked him hard. Giving him KFC and Shit like a little child. Read the transcript and tell me he was intellectually capable of a confession.
The police actually had Fuck all evidence that he committed the shootings.
>>77332874
Yeah the thick cunt put the safety of the sheep above his own like a fuckwit.
>>77332970
1.9/100,000 to 1.1/100,000 is a massive drop, and has made us one of the safest countries in the world. In comparison the US' homicide rate has stayed virtually the same for the last 15 years, they can't seem to break under 4.8/100,000. Please stop spouting shit.
>>77333184
I think you'll find the AIC is the authority on crime stats in Australia. Small isolated year-to-year increases to not negate overall trends.
>>77328837
Is it really so hard for people to accept that this guy is a Crisis Actor?
The truth has been occluded from people.
>>77332265
Good thing we love you cunts then
>>77333164
> police enter house with warrant
> it's perfectly right
>>77329641
You too brah
>>77333355
And yet it is falling here.
>>77333164
K. I'll enjoy when something you own is regulated to the point where the police can simply break and enter without the need for a warrant. Were going to get to the point of the UK where police simply enter council flats and take cutlery and bike pumps under the pretense of them being weapons.
What a truly jewified society we live in.
>>77333515
Such is life in a nanny state.
>the government and their stooges are always in the right :-)
I hate how cucked Australians are.
>>77332923
Yeah it's pretty easy to headshot 12 people in 15 seconds. It's the most painfully obvious false flag ever
No colonial inquest
No trial
All evidence sealed away
Just look at how they are treating the Lindt Cafe Seige, they went over every detail, police actions were scrutinised, nothing was left unknown.
Absolutely none of this happened with Port Arthur, it doesn't matter what you believe, there is some serious questions that need to be answered.
Just google British false flags if your blue pilled mind can't except the government mass murdering it's own people
>>77328571
>than he murdered
Almost had me.
>>77333355
Where the fuck are you getting your statistics from. You are pretty spot on with Australia, but the US intentional homicide rate has been under 4.0 since 2012 or 2013 and has been in steady decline for a couple decades.
You also do not have the ghettos we do. You take away guns I guarantee you that rate stays near the same, Jamal will just stab the kid down the block for wearing the wrong color instead. Furthermore, let's talk about "assault weapons" and their use in homicides in the US. Go look up the statistic. Feel stupid.
>>77328571
Impossible to estimate, so no real discussion is possible. However, the gun buyback etc was a positive step.
>>77332617
Read the police interview.
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant_complete_interview
>>77333509
cheers lad
>>77329856
Yeah sure I'd probably fight, not doing much now at the moment anyways
>>77333355
Canada and new Zealand didn't ban semi automatics, yet they have similar homicide rates. Maybe you should rethink your story.
>>77328772
Society is governed by myths. It doesn't matter if it happened or not.
>>77328837
>"Is this your gun?"
>"Yeah, those two there are my guns. The other two I've never seen before"
>"He says these ones he's never seen before (the ones that were used). He's just lying"
That entire interview is unbelievable.
>>77333017
What the fuck, are you legitimately retarded? We currently have the lowest homicide rate we have EVER had, and the use of guns in crime is at it's lowest ever levels. It hurts to think you're a product of the same education system as me. Please kys and do the gene-pool a favour.
>>77328571
The Australian white are one of the most degenerate varieties yet you never hear of any mass shooting sprees there, except for the ones caused by muslims
I'd say their firearms bans were successful
>>77332874
Bit rough of the cop to just waltz in and take his shit. People in rural areas tend to be more relaxed about leaving a gun leaning up against the bed or whatever as there's usually much less crime going around (people where I live do anyway). Usually if the police come round and you're either not home, or are home but it's an inconvenient time they will come back later, not just cruise on in and look at shit.
But on the other hand, it doesn't take much to throw the gun in the safe, or even just take it with you if he's staying on his property. Throw it under the bed, fucking or something.
>>77329856
>Fighting for a leaf
>>77330657
I doubt an serious 'legal expert' thinks this. But you can always find someone to say anything if you are opinion shopping.
Surely he is marginally mentally culpable, or whatever the expression is.
>>77333814
And we currently have more private legal gun ownership than ever, and more guns in total circulation than ever, too.
>>77333791
Where did I mention semi-autos? I said that our laws regarding the licencing and storage of guns is what helped reduce our homicide rate. Fuck me, you're really not helping the retarded gun-nut stereotype.
>>77333836
Less crime in rural areas? You've gotta be fucking joking mate.
>>77333711
Most of the gun buyback were pump action shotguns and 22 semi autos. The guns that Martin used were a minority. Also, the Lindt cafe gunman used a pump action shotgun. So much for it being effective.
>>77333814
Liberals disarm non-violent whites, so they can import violent nigs, slimes and spics. Whites have to sacrifice adequate protection, so leftists can get their way and import millions of criminals.
>>77333711
I would have said the post-1996 licence requirements would be the only thing that may have lowered the gun crime. It just acts as a roadblock to retarded people who wish to do harm.
The buyback was stupid. Buying everyone's duck guns and rabbit guns was pointless, given most of the guns handed in were pump/semi-auto shotguns and semi-auto .22s.
>>77333883
Yes, thanks to the 1996 laws everyone now has to secure their guns properly, undergo extensive background checks and complete training. This is why we have such low gun crime now. The number of guns is irrelevant if they're held in compliance with the laws.You're literally admitting the 1996 laws worked LOL. Or did you think they only banned semi-autos like the rest of the brain-dead spastics in this thread think?
>>77333931
Good. I'm glad you agree that pump action shotguns and limited capacity semi autos should be available to licenced shooters like myself, because there is absolutely no statistical improvement from banning them.
Ps I never disagreed about licensing.
>>77333936
I can't speak for every rural area, but the ones around where I am are far safer than the city.
>>77333183
He plead not guilty, was put in solitary confinement until he wrote his confession on paper with a crayon.
>crayon confession
>case closed, seal it up for 30 years m8
Nothing to see here goys
>>77329150
That's why are investing into a navy and chairforce. Our entire military is basically being set up to be apart of joint force (Malaysia Japan, US ect) against China.
If we are fighting on Australian soil we have already lost basically.
>>77332352
http://www.s͏mh.com.au/federal-politics/editorial/three-million-guns-is-more-than-enough-20130114-2cppg.html
git good newfag s͏mh fa͏m
>>77332617
This is true. He probably also killed his father and the women that left him all the money in her will.
He's a pretty attractive guy. Would have fucked him.
>>77334110
> everyone now has to secure their guns properly
Except for criminals in Melbourne and Sydney, evidently.
holy fuck there are some blue pilled retards in this thread.
australia could have the same gun laws as the US and we'd still have the same homicide rate, know why? because we dont have millions of fucking retard niggers running around and we also dont have kikes putting every kid on anti-depressants the first time he has a tough day
fucking normies i swear to Pauline saviour of australia
>>77333070
only because of places like west sydney and "hard" drugs
>>77334165
Nice backpedaling there m9, before you were odiously trying to claim that the 1996 laws had led to record high crime rates. At least you can accept you were wrong I suppose.
>>77334465
meth is a hell of a drug
half the retards who smoke ice don't even realize it's meth aka speed
>>77333070
only because cops are too scared to do shit about the fucking lebos and coconut niggers gone wild in west sydney
>>77333156
you know your shit too, I like you.
>>77333164
When you pull up you facts on gun homicide in America, separate it by race. Niggers don't count.
>>77333509
my nigga
>>77334466
I said nothing of the sort. Look at the ID's. Gun homicides did increase after the buyback, but only until 2000, they then returned to their declining trend before 1996. This same trend is present in the homicide stats of all Anglo countries.
>>77334357
The criminals who now commit infinitely less crime with guns than before the ban, yes. Don't make me post the chart for a 3rd time. Gun use in homicide and general crime is a record lows. On average we have 30 gun homicides per year. The US has 8000. Let that sink in.
>>77333936
Depends if you live in a fucking boong nest or not ay
>>77334522
We've had plenty of massacres, they just haven't called them massacres. One bloke offed his entire family then topped himself, hardly a thing in the media.
>>77334633
you heard the man, he's obviously not stupid. We think the same way yet we're ocean's apart.
>>77334824
He could have easily done the same thing with a knife or even a hammer.
>>77334582
Disgusting drug, why can't people stick to booze and weed and maybe the occasional mushroom experience
>>77334722
Sheittt, had you confused with another green ID. But you're still wrong, pic related shows a nice drop in 98-99.
>>77328708
Been plenty of mass murders since then
>>77328820
Neither has the sea-life or logistics capability, even if they wanted to, but China is developing quickly. Ever wonder why we spend so much money on subs and aircraft?
>>77334633
Blacks account for 45% of US homicides. That leaves you with a non-black homicide rate of aroud 2.5/100,000 aka still easily the highest in the developed world. But MUH GUNS ARE KEEPING ME SAFE!!!
>>77334895
I went through all the homicide stats of the American states, then I compared the percentage of blacks and Mexicans residing in those states. States that resemble australia demographically have the same homicide rate, regardless of whether they have strict gun control or not. Some are even lower.
>>77335103
*sea-lift
>>77334997
Actually I'm right, they did increase until 2000. Look again you fool.
>>77335133
We've established that guns do keep you safe. Your point is that protecting guns from thieves leads to lower homicide rates.
>>77334615
I like you too Australiabro, mo homo. I mean no homo. Or do I?
>>77335147
You're completely wrong. The state with the lowest homicide rate is Vermont, at 1.6/100,000 aka almost 50% higher than Australia as a whole. And that's in a tiny rural state of 700,000 people. For comparison SA, ACT and Tasmania regular record rates less than half of Vermonts, getting as low as 0.4/100,000 on some occasions. Americans are just violent people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate
>>77335133
2.5 is a respectable number. I wouldn't be phased by that.
>>77335376
We've established that GUN CONTROL aka the prudent licensing, background checking and enforcement of storage requirements prevents gun-crime, yes. If only Americans could see that, they don't even want something as basic as universal background checks, let alone the other measures. As a result, they get murdered at a far higher rate than us.
>>77335456
When I checked, the state with the lowest homicide rate was new Hampshire. Had like 0.9
>>77335483
>richest nation in the world
>has the highest homicide rate BY FAR in the developed world, even when you take out every single black person.
That's respectable?
>>77335562
>implying you can't get an illegal gun in Australia
>implying gun violence has ceased completely
m8 gun violence is constant, it's just not reported on
>>77335456
In my view, having a homicide rate of 1 per 100,000 people higher than what we currently have is worth the citizenry being armed. Demographics influence homicide rates more so than availability of firearms.
If were going to have firearms again, we need an ethnostate
>>77335564
Actually that is correct, missed that on the chart. However it is very much an outlier. New Hampshire accounts for 0.3% of the US population. Only 0.3 percent of the US manages to murder each other at a lower rate than the entirety of Australia, a country that's 20% non-white. It's pathetic.
>>77335562
> If only Americans could see that
They can see that. Someone must do these background checks. They don't trust government to do those checks. They don't want right-wing people targeted (or any people unfairly targeted. What would one be looking for?). The tea party was targeted by the IRS. Patriots and racist whites are targeted by the DHS.
Allowing the government to control the background checks completely hands over power to said government, defeating the ultimate purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
>>77335801
That's why London, with a higher percentage of black people than the US as a whole, and FAR more Muslims has a homicide rate of 1.6/100,000, the same as all-white rural Vermont (2nd lowest homicide rate of any state in the US), a state that also has 10x less people and no major urban areas. You're literally lying to yourself, how does it feel?
>>77335806
A 95% white state. In fact all of the white states have murder rates comparable to the developed world
And your point about 2.5 being higher than any other country is wrong unless you cherry pick only the least violent developed countries.
>>77335562
Gunners in the USA look at what's come of British and australian gun owners and they don't want to comprimise for fear of losing their guns in a massive buyback. Can you really blame them? What you're advocating would decimate the American firearms industry and culture.
>>77335483
White American homicide rate is around 1.55. There is a graph on pol someone might have. Hispanics are counted as white in American crime statistics (also arabs, Omar's recent mass murder will add 50 to the "white american" kill count for 2016), and that must be calculated out.
>>77335562
You know what the best part is, WE DON'T CARE. True Americans, people with roots in this nation that stretch back farther than the automobile especially, are willing to sacrifice safety for delicious freedom. You don't have to understand it, but you better God damned respect it. I sure as shit do not go around advising Australians on their gun laws brother.
>>77335993
And banning guns didn't ever change it.
>>77335806
Our non whites are chinkys and coward poointheloos. I think that makes a big difference.
Australia like all western nations was having a decline in all levels of crime and homicide, this remained entirely steady and in fact even got slightly worse for a year or two following the gun ban, there is no statistical data that shows a correlation between the GUN BAN and a decrease in homicide
>>77335993
Australia and Britain are islands, you may notice if you look at a world map they're surrounded by water - which means actually importing illegal firearms is far more difficult than say... if your country is bordered by a literal hellhole with a cartel problem
>>77335909
Unfairly targeted by checking if they have any criminal history or other risk-factors? Wow, the oppression. You're literally making shit up though, the NRA has spent millions ensuring that no further background checks, licencing or storage requirements are EVER implemented in ANY form. Blaming paranoia regarding the Government makes no sense - they don't want anyone of any sort regulating their guns, and they pay the price with the developed worlds highest murder rate. Wew lad.
>>77335909
They do background checks. You have to fill out a form every time you but a gun at a dealer.
>>77336007
Find me a developed nation with a murder rate above 2.5/100,000. Pro-tip: you can't. The closest is Canada, with 1.6/100,000.
>>77328571
>Did Martin Bryant's actions save more lives from gun violence and mass shootings than he murdered?
No.
>Discuss
Bryant's shooting was a statistical fluke. There have been shootings since his deed and there were shootings before his deed... He just hit a lot more people than typical during a spree shooting. If the Monach Uni shooter had had Cho-tier Aim Australians wouldn't still be meming about 'no mass shootings since '96'... It means nothing.
>>77335993
Britain requires a near constant police state to enforce that though. Vermont is going to have their homicide rate if there are cops around or not. Meanwhile london police walk around with submachineguns.
The means do not justify the end goal.
>>77336007
Fun fact: Malaysia and Kosovo both have lower homicide rates than 2.5/100,000. Please do some research before you post!
>>77336268
> Unfairly targeted by checking if they have any criminal history or other risk-factors
Felons aren't allowed to own guns.
> the NRA has spent millions ensuring that no further background checks
The government wants to do those background checks that the NRA is fighting.
> Blaming paranoia regarding the Government makes no sense
No, it makes a lot of sense. The government is scum.
> they don't want anyone of any sort regulating their guns
What kind of non-government regulation are you looking at?
>>77336373
Estonia.
But like I said it depends on how you cherry pick "developed"
>>77336190
Ever thought that's cos they never had guns in the first place? The UK has always had amongst the lowest firearm ownership rates in the world, even more so in cities. The US' ownership rate is 88/100 people. The UK's is 6/100. GUNFAGS BTFO.
>>77336373
Find me a developed nation that fosters depraved, worthless bottom feeding ghetto rats in the numbers the US does. Pro-tip: you can't.
Again, why are my friendly Australian brothers so concerned with our well being and gun laws? I'll take a 4.0 homicide rate and maximum freedom over a 1.0 homicide rate with maximum regulations.
A sweeping majority of murders committed with firearms in this nation are done with stolen and illegal firearms anyway, laws don't do much good there other than rendering upstanding, law-abiding citizens at a higher risk of being Jamal'd.
>>77336491
>Estonia
Not a reliable source for per 100k population measuremeants due tot their distribution of population. Only 1 million Estonians of which a good half live in Tallinn. Tallinn has crime stats similar to other cities in the area (still pretty shit mind you, Europe wise) but due to their overall low population national figures look insane..
Srsly though, gun laws don't need to be Australia or Britain tier to be effective.
>>77328571
Yes and no.
Yes - he prompted Little Johnny Eyebrows to instigate the gun buy back scheme thus getting a lot of guns "off the streets"
No - Aus has never been like Merkinland and it's "muh guns" in it's thinking - majority of gun owners are farmers and pastoralists, and they actually use those guns. to shoot and kill pestilent animals. In diff. to shooting at a range for example...
>>77336491
>Estonia
>developed
Oh I am laffin', that's really the best you could do? I rest my case.
>>77336629
Let's see some stats going back to the 50s.
>>77336756
What's your definition of developed amigo?
>>77336724
The gun laws have pretty much destroyed a generation of shooters. There are massive problems with wild dogs and invasive species now because Australians are cucklibs about guns. Farmers can't do it all, they are a tiny percenrage of the population
>>77336373
2.5 is not the white American rate.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/blacks-70-shooting-suspects-2013-nypd-article-1.1522917
"Data collected during the first six months of the year reveal 74% of the city’s 567 shooting victims were black. An additional 21.5% were Hispanic. Less than 3% of shooting victims were white, according to the report."
"Blacks also accounted for the majority — about 70% — of the 222 people arrested for shooting someone during the first half of 2013, according to the NYPD’s Crime and Enforcement Activity report."
http://newobserveronline.com/new-york-nonwhites-commit-92-of-violent-crime/
"Nonwhites commit 92 percent of all violent crime in New York City, and are responsible for 98 percent of all shootings"
Whites in New York and Chicago are essentially committing no gun murders.
You have to look into the data and separate "White Hispanics" from White Americans.
>>77328571
Reduced suicides by Guns, now I have to wait a week for my helium tank to be arrive:(
>>77336724
The majority of gun owners were, and still are recreational shooters (sports or hunting). Farmers and pastoralists of course own a lot of guns for valid reasons, the bulk of guns are still owned by average Joe who just wants to go down to the range on saturday afternoon or go pigging.
>>77336705
That 2.5/100,000 rate is for whiteys m8, add in blacks and it's 4.8. And yes, the 200,000 stolen firearms per year are a result of your lax regulations regarding sales and storage. Our rate of firearm theft is literally 200 times lower. Really makes you think. I also note the in EVERY single index of freedom, Australia smashes the US. We have freer press, freer more transparent government and a functioning democracy, have far less crime and far better health and education. Fyi the US is currently listed as a "flawed democracy" by the EIU aka one step away from being a "hybrid regime" as opposed to the "full democracy" enjoyed by us: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index.
AMERILARDS BTFO
This "Muh Freedom" meme has to end. You are objectively less free than us in every measure.
>>77335993
>ethnostate
niggers are not black people
>>77336804
They're even lower. UK gun ownership is currently at record highs KEK: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/number-guns-uk-record-high-6509872.
Just accept you're a retard.
>>77337290
like black people, niggers are also photogenic.
>>77336990
I am talking about the national rate. You are talking about New York (approx 2% of the US population). PLEASE learn how to read before posting drivel. Your making it so easy for me to BTFO you it's boring.
>>77337163
>In every measure
Except guns apparently. Tell me, why again are you obsessing over a nation's gun laws on the other side of the planet? To me it seems like a little bit of gun envy, like you want everyone knocked down to the same, sad state of regulation that the poor people in your nation have had to endure on account of safety-cunts like you, so scared of their own shadow they have no problem signing away what, at least over here, is considered a God-given, inalienable right.
I won't insult Australia to try to upset you though, I have too much respect for the good people of your fine nation and will instead sympathize with them in the fact they have to live with insufferable cunts such as yourself.
G'day faggot.
>>77336164
You are literally pic related. It's not even a meme, it's reality.
>>77337523
Your national rate doesn't separate whites from Hispanics. The data for New York and Chicago that I found does, thus it's relevant. It wasn't supposed to be national, but an example of Hispanic crime.
The murder rate for white Americans is easily under 2, around 1.55 in a recent year.
>>77337664
I just like BTFOing Americans with facts, it's a fun pastime. Although your pathetic level of education makes it a little too easy.
>>77337683
Good. Again, I have no problem with that. Questions?
>>77337730
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/hispanics_in_the_us_are_more_violent_than_nonhispanic_whites.html
> In 2000 there were about 16,000 murders in the U.S. Non-Hispanic whites committed 23% of them, or about 3,680. Since there were 198.2 million non-Hispanic whites in the U.S. then, the murder rate for non-Hispanic whites was 1.86 (per 100,000).
That was 2000. It has fallen since then.
>>77337750
To think people thought this video was inaccurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE.
>>77337683
>New Zealand
>Relevant
shut ya hole or we'll annex you bunch of kiwi fuckin cunts
>>77337664
"G'day faggot".
You are now and forever an Aussie for being an Awesome cunt.
>>77337732
>pathetic level of education
There you go again, not taking into account the Jamal factor. If you were to take blacks out of the equation, the US would be tied for 3rd with Japan. I got a great public education, beyond that had a range of top shelf universities to get my two undergrads and masters from. You seem upset brother, what's troubling you?
You'll notice I won't argue against facts, I will accept them. They do not bother me. I have stated multiple times that I'm fine with the murder, the gun violence. In case you are a little dense or are not versed in American history, we are a nation founded on, fueled by and thriving in violence. Feels great.
>>77328571
The firearm agreement makes me want to leave this fuckhole of a country
>>77337922
It seems AmerBros suffers the same bullshit AusBros deals with. I think its coz BritBros has too many kababs and we MAJOR scared of that.
>>77337842
Got a source that isn't an unreferenced right-wing blog post? Also I would note that included in Hispanic stats are anyone of Spanish or Portuguese descent, who are often whiter than I am as an Anglo.
>>77337922
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
This says it all m8.
>>77337889
If I'm going to be a cunt, I'm glad I'm an awesome cunt. I've got to say, you Aussies have gotten the use of the word cunt down to an art form, it's downright majestic at times.
>>77338080
I feel bad for our UK brothers and sisters, actually all of our European brothers and sisters. They are soon to be behind enemy lines unless they can shake off the cobwebs and rev up the hate machine a little.
Political correctness is a fucking disease homeskillet, a vile, disgusting disease.
Give those kiddy diddling, camel riding, suicide bombing, goat raping, woman abusing, genocide committing, low IQ having fucktards and inch and they will take a yard. People can scream trashy redneck all they want, but there's a bit of peace in the fact that if a Sharia zone popped up in a Southern US city it would be cleansed overnight with vigilante justice.
>>77338129
> Got a source that isn't an unreferenced right-wing blog post?
The government doesn't keep the sources. You figure it out with the population figures, the sources for that are in the blog.
> Also I would note that included in Hispanic stats are anyone of Spanish or Portuguese descent, who are often whiter than I am as an Anglo.
Right, and Hispanic Americans are almost universally mestizos. So, no the Hispanic crime is not Spanish or Portuguese people.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196372/
See image - of 412 Hispanics tested, only 1 genetically clustered with White Americas. Essentially none are of unmixed European descent.
>>77338201
Brother, if you want to continue this absolutely insightful conversation of ours I'm going to need to to at least put a little effort forth. You're better than this, dig deep!
>>77329150
I'm no expert but I have heard before that in the event of invasion that the great dividing range would assist as a natural defense against an invasion. Our forces would have to give up the northern territory and surrounding areas, where a likely invasion would come from, and retreat back to hold this area where the bulk of the population and big cities are. It seems feasible. In the event of a full on invasion there would be hundreds of thousands of volunteers/conscripts to aid the defence also.
>>77338416
*need you to
>>77338201
>>77338305
Fuck you, I need a friend like you!
>>77328820
China can't deliver anything that far. 15-30 years from now? A very different story. They went from WW2 class jets to almost stealth fighters in under 15 years.
>>77330989
The question would be more, why the fuck would you WANT to invade australia?
A far more likely scenario is china fucks up critical trade partners in SE asia, and forces a response from Australia.
>>77329641
>That and you have allies like America and friends to back you up. Before you go on calling us Americunts (Uh-merry-kee-unts), know that I would gladly go die for you country without hesitation (not that I'd have a choice being a government slave).
Don't worry about what people say on 4chan
4chan =/= reality. Majority of us Australians would back America up in a heartbeat. We've always been there for each other, and public opinion of that hasn't changed. Anyone who tells you differently is trolling or lives an anti-social life
>>77338740
Bendigo mosque got approved
>>77338920
why are muslims attacking us, why the fuck country victoria.
Lets be honest though, Muslims = fuck off
>Only major gun crimes in the last 3 years have been mudslime related
Ebin
>>77332455
>Can't be fucked
>Too hard
>Nothing there
Holds true to this day, and that's not an insult. The amount of losses you would sustain trying to subdue, invade and then hold down Australia isn't worth the resources. At most the major ports and military installations would get hit to deter US and AUS response to something else someone was doing in the Pacific. Again though, the USN is pretty well unstoppable, no matter how many times we let Russians try to act cool with flybys.
Even if the world went WWIII, Australia would probably live it out just fine and slowly devolve into Mad Max territory once the boats and resources stopped running.
>>77338795
Of course, I was just playing along with the what-if. There's no feasible way anyone is ever invading Australia anytime soon, and there's no feasible or strategic reason to do so. They might be a target, but not for invasion.
>>77338815
Oh I know this and experienced it first-hand in Afghanistan. We lost thousands of people, got pissed off and went looking to kick some militant Islam ass. Australia said fuck yeah mate here's some of our SAS and support assets. Your boys hit the ground running and never once questioned doing the damn job, and they did it well.
>4chan =/= reality
Thank Salsa Dancing Jesus for that.
>>77339185
see.. fucking mudslimes
Just read about this for the first time. Holy fuck Australia. No wonder you banned guns.
>>77339724
NOT SUSPICIOUS
>>77339787
Yeah Port Arthur was the prototype false flag for gun grabbing purposes. It's got nothing to do with drinking, pokies or footy though so the truth is of no interest to anyone in this country.
>>77339724
just read about this for the first time in a long time.
obvious false flag intelligence operation. Bryant is a classic patsy.
>>77338305
>it's downright majestic at times
My sides
>>77339203
>Oh I know this and experienced it first-hand in Afghanistan
It has always fascinated me when I hear stories of how tough Australian soldiers are in wars, a lot of armies throughout the world seem to marvel at Australia's bravery. To be quite honest, I have no idea where this 'tough' mentality comes from. Although, I've always pin pointed it down to the 'Anzac spirit', which seems to create this amazingly strong bond between the soldiers. What did our soldiers do that differed to everyone else?
