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http://tvthek.orf.at/live/Das-Duell-Norbert-Hofer-Alexander-Van-der-Bellen/12752429
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>>74474966
>>74474966
Hofer is absolutely BTFOing the ORF and Van der Cuck.
Morning thread:
>>74436020
Also if anyone can shill this to a media:
>>74447075
I hope this one german cuck doesn't shit up this thread as well.
GOOD LUCK AUSTRIA
>>74482962
I don't speak German. Can you tell me how Hofer is BTFO'ing Van der Cuck?
>>74482962
SOON!
>>74482962
I don't speak German, mate. Can you tell me why Hofer is BTFO'ing Van der Cuck?
>>74483182
>>74483317
Never mind second post.
>>74483274
Anschluss Bavaria please
>>74483182
He is debunking the claims by the television station (ORF) that his israel story where a woman got shot next to him is fake.
>>74483274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw9zXepzEzA
>>74482962
What does that mail screenshot say in the archived thread?
wow, very low energy from hofer.
hofer cant recover fromt this imo.
kek
that old demented cuck doesn't know what's going on
> cause its the 21st century
>>74483388
Bavaria is pretty based!
>>74483453
for the habsburgs empire!
Good luck based neighbours.
how can so many retards support van der bellen?
>>74484818
We cannot even compete with Orban.
>>74484705
>the way van der cuck is shaking
he will die of a heartattack before even egtting into office
>>74484749
Thats actually a good question.
What about the lefty chimp out?
Could some Vienna fag tell us if something important happened?
>>74484749
thats a good question.
Could some vienna fag tell us if something important happend today? Was there a lefty chimp out?
>>74483630
Try harder kiddo
>http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Police-shoot-woman-at-Western-Wall-who-fails-to-heed-warnings-to-stop-369475
>tfw he I doubted hofer senpai
ORF BTFO
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thought this was a meme, but vdb really appeared dement already.
>>74485220
Is ORF kill yet?
>>74485220
Hofer claimed 30/04 I think no? Someone can remember?
>>74485044
There were like a 100 lefties. Fucking pathetic
>>74482962
Van der Bellen is so fucking based
>>74485399
He said end of July but I don't remember if it was 2014 or 2015.
>>74485399
No, he said "30. Juli".
>>74485474
I think they're getting scared. They know their time is over. And they know that they wanted to destroy us, and they know that we know.
I'm so glad to be alive during these times.
so who won the duell? i missed it
>>74485399
>30/04
That's a special date for a different reason
Did they talk about the "refugee" situation? Missed most of it.
Is this guy a kike?
>>74485664
Hofer.
VdB was just a child.
>>74485494
You'll be lucky if Südtirol is all we'll take.
>>74485581
>>74485543
Ok. So ORF flying to Israel to bribe a Israelian police officer to lie. Or is Israelian police not taking any notes on the people they shoot?
Anyway. If they don't discuss it in ORF right now, then they now they fucked up.
>>74485655
>mfw wenn Antifas endlich als politische Terroristen ernstgenommen werden und eingeknastet werden
>>74485655
GREAT THINGS WILL HAPPEN
Lefties will get BTFO hard.
No more “Refugees” :D
>>74485766
They will never discuss that in the ORF again.
>>74485712
>voting for FPÖ
>being a bigot
you are joking, right?
Fucking German Staatsfunk managed to make the "Silvesternacht" an isolated incident. As if mosloid chimp out wouldn't happen every day on any public place.
>>74485886
>bigot
>i believe that this is an argument
You realize that by describing us as people who "have different opinions" (paraphrasing what that retarded word means) you're not really saying anything right?
>>74485886
you should already get the motor of your tank running, so you can switch to the 5th backwards gear faster.
What happened in Israel?
Why is Austrian German so much more tasteful than the variant Germans speak? The lack of guttural R alone makes it much better.
Analysts are faggots.
Why the hell do they get paid?
>>74485886
No, I'm dead serious.
>>74485820
No more leftists either.
>>74485990
it's still present in every germans mind
>>74486000
>>74486014
I mean are you seriously advocating voting for a neo nazi party? Memes are fun and all, but I can't tell if you are joking anymore
>>74485990
the only thing that's isolated here is their understanding from the truth
Let's pray for Hofer to keep his cool and keep BTFOing the moderator, ORF and left in general.
OUR FUEHRER, WHO ART IN HOFBURG
Guys do you need the template for the gas chamber pic?
>>74486049
Austrians are more chill than germans you also see that in the language
The Analyst thinks that Hofer intentionally attacked Thurnher because Hofer could not attack Van der Bellen.
>>74485399
he said 30.7.14
They are still trying. Wtf is this shit
>>74485886
>italian
Don't you have a demonstration at il brennero to attend?
>>74486164
>I mean are you seriously advocating voting for a neo nazi party?
The FPÖ isn't "neo nazi" enough for my taste, but it's the best we've got at this point.
>>74486286
>Austrians are more chill than germans
Until we're not :^)
>>74486359
Hofer was fucking sick of Thurnhers biased way of asking and he gave her something that will make her sleep like shit today.
>>74485886
Someone is scared of having to return Tyrol, kek
>>74486415
I attended the last one, yes. I'm glad we managed to change your mind. The wall would have meant the end of the EU and everything we worked so hard for
>>74486517
The EU is retarded tho
The fastest it collapses the better
ORF is talking again about the Israel thing, because they wont accept that they got BTFO
>>74485022
So hes like the bernie sanders of austria?
>>74486517
Italians are truly subhuman.
>>74486426
wow nazi scum, please get off this website
>>74486514
I'd gladly give my entire country to them, as long as based Van der Bellen wins
>>74486517
For the next time without Italy.
You have nothing to fear of Hofer.
>>74486517
>I'm glad we managed to change your mind
kek
>>74486663
Basically yeah, but state funded as fuck.
>>74486517
>The wall would have meant the end of the EU
WALLL
The WALL
What are you talking about? There is no wall.
They wanted to control the traffic, just like Germany is controling their traffic across the border - there is no wall.
Stupid idiot
>>74486652
lol no. The EU is the only thing preventing gross human right violation of migrants in Europe. It must stay at all costs. I'm ready to give my life for that cost
>>74486665
no racism in this subreddit pls
>>74486712
>wow nazi scum, please get off this website
Make me, Mario.
>>74486820
> caring about a bunch of mudslimes
Virtue signalling does not work over here m8
>>74486820
You are not on reddit :o
But this explains a lot.
>>74486803
>there is no wall
YET
>>74486712
don't worry, with your attitude you will give your whole country, sooner or later
>>74486820
Just hide his posts, it's a troll.
>>74486891
Yes, we should build one :D
But there are no plans on doing that :/
The Spaghettifresser in this thread is baiting so hard and you guys are falling for it.
>>74486981
Wall around Vienna.
Wall around Germany, to ward off muslim backwash.
The south should have no wall but a few pillboxes with MGs, giving the invaders who want to fuck our women and take our money a heartwarming welcome.
>>74486724
>You have nothing to fear of Hofer.
I don't, but all those poor souls who risk their lives daily to get a chanche for a better life do
>>74486803
Wall, barriers it's all the same
>>74486840
read the rules. Racism is bannable
>>74486876
see my post above. Plus there is nothing wrong about being a muslim. It's just a religion
>>74486883
yea sorry, it was a slip of the tongue XD
>>74487131
Vienna should just get bombed
>>74482962
Can we become a colony again?
You guys were like the best rulers we've ever had
Schweiz, Altbayern, Österreich, Norditalien, Südostfrankreich
ALPENREICH WHEN
>>74487135
> Racism is a bannable
> It's just a religion
You are saying yourself that muslim is a religion, not a race you idiot
Who of you guys is Hofer's assistant?
Exactly the same page as someone posted a few minutes ago.
How can my fellow Austrians vote for a candidate who is literally Hitler?
t.Vienna anon
>>74486987
>Spaghettifresser
please refrain from using racial slurs or I will be forced to give you negative karma
>>74487206
> mfw Vlaams Belang is up in the polls again
You have to remove the cancer of Wallonia first
>>74487135
/pol/ is a containment board for racists on 4chan. The global rule against racism has no power here.
>>74485017
Yes you can.If you elect Hofer, please annex Hungary.
>>74487325
ORF BTFO again.
>>74486743
So hes a puppet of the EU state like merkel. Well at least this week when he gets btfo by hofer he can be returned to his handlers.
>>74486981
Someday...
>>74487412
Orban and Hofer should rule together
>>74487269
you are the one who is being racist against islam, not me
>>74487328
Oh, I'm so glad to see an intellectual such as myself here
>>74482962
you guys heard yet? A jew on twitter BTFO Orf and Ingrid Thurnher, they wanted to shill Hofer by claiming he lied about his visit to Israel. Turned out he of course didn't lie and in turn let ORF and Van der Bellen run into this trap, making them look stupid
https://twitter.com/erichnuler/status/733381689582456832
>>74487466
> being racist against islam
either troll, or retarded
>>74487325
They had an interview with the Israel Police who said nothing happened at all. Israel BTFO.
>>74487325
>Who of you guys is Hofer's assistant?
Als ob sich der bekanntgeben würde :^)
>>74487507
I wish far right leaders didn't have to travel to Israel to prove they are not nazis
Well, may be we are a few years away from that
>>74487507
I think this whole thing was planned from Hofer.
He is a genius
>>74487354
>You have to remove the cancer of Wallonia first
I will purge the leftists in this lifetime no worries
Vlaams Belang is good and bad at the same time, because of anti racism laws xDDDD Vlaams Belang could only rule by getting 90% of the Flemish vote all other parties vowed back in the 90s never to jion them so we get this super cuck governments of leftists and "right-wing" liberals N-VA kinda destroyed that hegemony
>>74487325
Why is the ORF doing this?
This entire thing is probably built on the details of the issue.
The policeman probably said nothing like that happened because she wasn't armed or didn't die or some shit.
So basically they are not "lying" but massively manipulative and quoting people out of context.
I mean it's not like this is ever gonna backfire at them... right??
>>74487515
what am I stupid about? You are the one who calls peaceful muslims "mudslimes", as in "mud", mocking them for their melanin enriched skins
>>74487562
>>74487325
nah this thing got spammed on twitter
>>74487713
Bin trotzdem recht aktiv bei der FPÖ, aber nur auf Bundeslandebene.
Sag's aber keinem.
here is the template
>>74487624
> Vlaams Belang could only rule by getting 90%
Realistically, they could destroy the Cordon sanitaire if they got 35 % of the votes and make a coallition without either them or the extreme lefties impossible
It is kinda sad that they can only grow at the expense of the N-VA for the time being
>>74487658
No policeman would say “Yes, we shot someone”.
>>74487325
well, what now dear ORF, better never ever mention this again I guess, BTFO. Had I never heard of Hofer before I would vote for him based only on this merciless slaying of Turnher, bravo Norbert
ORF VdB BTFO
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>>74487969
Well I don't even think that's the issue.
I believe they just asked the policeman about the incident.
He probably knew about the shit that happened on that day and told them.
And then they asked again "But was there an incident where someone died?"
"No no such incident happened"
And that's the part they show.
And then they wonder why they are called Lügenpresse.
>>74488187
> mfw Hofer wins
> mfw Merkel orders an Anschluss in order to culturally enrich Austria
>>74487920
N-va is cucking but ps is pure cucking. I really have no idea what to vote next elections, I'm relieved we don't have ps in rule with all this refugee shit Elio would suck that muzzy cock no doubt
Also hallo mede vlaming?
>>74488299
I hope then Mrs Piggy will hang, like other despots of her time.
>>74485220
scheisse anon du hast den gesamten küniglberg in orsch gefickt mit dein post des zeigt was das für verlogene ratten sind und ich zahl auch noch GIS für so ein propaganda programm!! ärger als in nordkorea der gottlose van der bellen kann man buckl owerutschen mein X hat der hofer
ORF REKT!!! ABER SOWAS VON DERMASSEN
>>74487859
I got a question then. (may be pretty naive but whatever)
How likely is a reunification of Austria and Germany during our lifetime? Possible at all or is austrian patriotism entirely distinct from Germany? What would people in the FPÖ think about it?
>>74488532
Wie ist der Urlaub in Brazilien?
>>74487859
schade das die fpö keinen libertären flügel mehr hat, sonst wär ich auch dabei.
>>74488339
If you are gonna throw your vote away you may as well vote VB to trigger the commies a bit
> Also hallo mede vlaming?
Sadly no. When I have visited Europe I only speak English kek. One of my best friends is from Ghent
>>74488717
>germany
no, maybe bavaria, but not germany+austria
>>74488717
You have to go FULL Nazi again, then we might consider it, certainly not with this suicidal nation wrecker government you got now, time to clean your pigsty already, Piefke.
>>74488745
It's Hitler, mate. Constantly on the move through South America.
>>74488717
>>74488948
Even in Bavaria most Germans love Merkel and rapefugees. There is no uncucking them.
0/10, would not anschluss.
Based German minority may migrate.
Can't wait for Hofer to fuck the country up as much as Haider and for the FPÖ meme to die
>>74489107
>implying grampa wouldn't fuck up
are austrifags butthurt or indifferent about sudtirol?
>>74489104
>Even in Bavaria most Germans love Merkel and rapefugees. There is no uncucking them.
darum brauchn wia an Schädlingsbekämpfa der moi in de Städte richtig auframd, in Deitschlands mogs ja koana macha
>>74489107
This won't happen, they will expel the invaders and vanquish the foes within, SIEG HOFER
>>74489107
modern FPÖ != autocratic Haider's FPÖ
If you were talking about the failed BZÖ you may have a case
>>74489107
WIth any luck they get rid of the invasion before, i would consider that a fair trade.
>>74488909
>If you are gonna throw your vote away you may as well vote VB to trigger the commies a bit
Nah i just don't know wich one would be the most viable of the 2
>Ghent
Great city sadly socialist to the core because of the massive influx of students
>>74489107
found the leftie
>>74489344
that pic is one of my dreams that will never happen :(
the irony is that hungarians are german farmers that adopted a mongol language kek
I still think Jörg Haider would be better than any of these lads
>>74488717
There is a very influential segment inside the FPÖ (which Hofer is a part of) who are old-school pan-German: the mensur-fencing student fraternities. You will usually recognize them by the scars in their faces (interestingly, Hofer doesn't have one of those).
But such views have no bearing in the Austrian public. We really are Austrian patriots now. And the FPÖ would be ill advised to antagonize the Austrians in this regard.
>>74489452
I don't trust any party not to fuck shit up at this point desu
>>74489507
I agree.
I mean, yes, he was a corrupt fuck himself. But at least he wasn't that extreme in his xenophobic views.
>>74488717
>How likely is a reunification of Austria and Germany during our lifetime?
Ich würd kein Geld drauf setzen - ist in der derzeitigen Gesetzeslage einfach nicht drin (siehe "Anschlussverbot") und ich kenn auch keinen der sich realistisch ausmalt dass sich das in nächster Zukunft ändert. Liegt zum Großteil aber auch daran dass das international wohl kaum gedulded werden würd.
saw this image on krone.at
These faggots are protesting against hofer.
Just look at the sign its like hey made thus to trigger me
>>74489866
>make anschluss
>call it biladerale verdräge :D
>>74489974
is that feelguy with a beard and long hair?
>>74489974
>woman and beta's
My god they alll look the same everywhere in Europe its kinda sad
>>74490138
they are afraid of the purge
>>74489974
>heteronormative T-Shirt on the banner
what the fuck
>>74489763
Well, one can dream.
The pan-German Burschenschaft thing sounds interestings though.
Any recommendation where i could read up on this?
>>74489974
>islam
>race
Fucking morons.
>>74489310
The problem is the South Tyroleans who are happy with their comfy autonomy inside Italy. In Italy they're privileged, receiving the perks from both countries, in Austria they'd just be a some backward valleys. Furthermore, they were never part of an Austrian national state, so it's no surprise the vast majority just doesn't want to be Austrian. Tyrolean yes, Austrian no.
Does anyone have any current polls? What are the chances Hofer wins?
>>74490388
Dachverband Deutsche Burschenschaften.
>>74490417
>implying most muslims aren't shitskins
Fastest way to detect a muslim is seeing a brown Arab looking manlet, looking kind of inbred (squint eyes, disgusting teeth).
>>74490515
>they were never part of an Austrian national state
Des woan Tiroler, du Gogga. Wos glabst wieso nebn Kärtn so a Tirolzipfl dranhängt no? Unglaubli.
>>74490568
Polls have become useless.
Anyways, the last and only poll I know of was:
Hofer: 53
VdB: 47
From a week ago or so.
Hey schluchtenscheisser
Sorry but Hitler was ours
Do not steal
>>74489974
I saw this demonstration on DerCuckdard today.
Those fuckers are literally pushing up demonstrator numbers by inviting PKK members who protested about something completely different.
Despite that it was still just 400 and then 700 people.
They expected between 2000 and 6000.
Had a good chuckle.
>>74490515
Let's wait and see when the Brenner is closed and the "refugees" shit in their beautiful subsidized streets, well see about them not wanting to be Austrians then.
>>74490779
i think that even retarded lefties know that it's completely stupid to demonstrate 3 days before the election.
A lefty chimp out would help Hofer.
>>74490779
>PKK members
those commie faggots should be deported to Turkey
>>74490738
Let's hope to god that one is right. The good thing is that the one's for the first round really underestimated FPO.
>>74490417
Head scarfs are an Arab thing, it has nothing to do with the religion.
>>74482962
wann wird gewählt?
>>74488717
I don't want to become part of your cuckpire. We would be marrying downwards.
>>74491228
Sonntag.
>>74491228
op zondag
>>74491228
Sonntag if the brave Antifa Straßenschläger don't prevent it to protect muh democracy.
>>74490779
They had "Stoppt das Massaker in der Türkei" and "Freedom for Öcalan" signs :D
>>74491315
danke mein neger, godspeed!
>>74485220
>>74488532
he said the woman was shot dead and was heavily armed with mashine guns and grenades
he's a fucking lying nazi
and of course the orf couldn't find that article it's completely different from hofers story
>>74491029
yeah and strache cried about it once again claiming the poles were faked to make their canditade look worse although it actually helped them, how can people take these pussies seriously?
>>74491373
mir fällt grad ein, was wird eigentlich gewählt? kanzler oder präsi? überall oder nur wien?
>>74491437
Aaaand on the filter-list you go, stupid lefty.
You know that the ORF started to claim that Hofer never was in Israel?
Then they claimed that no incident happened.
And now they claim that the woman hat no granades - because the Israelis would never lie :)
They already got BTFO twice.
Whats the next claim? That Hofer lied about the color of his shoes he wore in Israel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZWQ7p1ap6w
Minute 53 bis 60
Bin grad beim saufen.
Hoffentlich wird unser Retter Norbert Hofer in die Hoferburg kommen, kann es nicht erwarten das Geheule der links Linken zu hören.
>>74491783
bundespräsi glaub
>>74491756
> claiming the poles were faked to make their canditade look worse
The FPO usually underpolls by 5 or 6 %, there is reason to be suspicious
Now that, the most likely reason FPO underpolls is shy supporters scared of becoming targeted of leftist lunatics
>>74491783
präsi in österreich
god, i hope Hofer wins this sunday
>>74491863
Reichspräsident
>>74491756
Die Zeit ist nicht mehr fern, mein hoher Herr :^)
>>74491952
>>74492053
also nur aushängeschild oder mit macht so?
>>74491783
Präsident
und am Montag wird die mächtige Österreichische Armee in den Krieg nach Syrien ziehn.
Freut ihr euch auch schon auf den Einberufungsbefehl?
>>74492053
leider nur wenn ihr auch ein reich draus macht
schritt 1: anschluss von bayern
ZUMINDEST BISSCHEN, ICH BIN DOCH NUR 2KM VON DER GRENZE
>>74492169
Präsident in Österreich kann die Regierung absetzen.
>>74491801
I know what the orf stated because I watched the stream, have you? they counldn't find the news story because it was so different from hofers story so they asked the fucking police speaker of israle to give a statement. Yeah, israeli newspaper article from 2014 was altered just to show him right? No, as I don't give a fuck about hofers shoes
>>74492169
kaum macht, aber trotzdem wärs leiwand
allein wegen dem Geheule der linken Pussies,
>>74492179
das bundesheer? Fand's immer lustig das ihr keine marine habt
>>74492392
hast recht, trinke auch gerne tränen. hab letztens ein paar amis hier erzählt das sanders scheiße ist und trump gewinnt, war so etwa 2 Tage vor new york etc.
>und ich kekte bis in die nacht
>>74491801
http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Police-shoot-woman-at-Western-Wall-who-fails-to-heed-warnings-to-stop-369475
>The officer involved followed police protocol, Rosenfeld said.
Rosenfeld is the same guy they were interviewing.
http://tvthek.orf.at/program/Das-Duell-Norbert-Hofer-Alexander-Van-der-Bellen/12756430/Das-Duell-Norbert-Hofer-und-das-Knesset-Raetsel/12768870
2:10
> Es gab Zwischenfälle im Westjordanland, aber das waren lokale Unruhen bei denen Polizisten mit nicht-tödlichen Waffen eingeschritten sind; das sind alle Informationen die wir bisher bestätigen können.
He acts like nothing happened at the day at all.
>>74492417
was ist daran lustig? gibt so einige staateb ohne marine
>>74492417
Bald wieder. Zeiten ändern sich.
>>74491948
Yeah because people are actually ashamed of their voting for nazis. Yeah, the poles also ask their full names, home adress and working hours so they can all be beat up by those violent lefties
>>74492417
Früher hatte das Bundesheer noch ein paar Patroullienboote für die Donau, die sind jetzt bei der Polizei.
>>74492663
und dann erobern wir den GESAMTEN BODENSEE
MUAHAHAHAHA
>>74492625
einfach so, mir ist früher nicht in den sinn gekommen das manche länder keinen seezugang haben, stell ich mir scheiße vor
>>74492825
>poles
>>74492124
und was willst du damit sagen?
>>74492966
His wright dough.
>>74490730
Don't understand what you don't understand. They were never part of an Austrian *national* state - which the Austrian(-Hungarian) monarchy was not. I said they feel Tyrolean yes, Austrian no.
But I just talking from and trying to make sense from my experience with the large South Tyrolean community in Vienna. I've never met one who'd rather have Austrian than Italian citizenship. It took me some time to understand this too, yet here we are today. If you have better insight into the South Tyrolean mind, please do report.
>>74492913
Liechtenstein wird eh einfach auf künftigen Landkarten ins Reich integriert. Als ob das jemand merken würde.
>>74492340
You know that the whole Israel thing started yesterday?
It started with the claim that Hofer never was in Israel, then they claimed that Hofer met no Israeli politicien, and THEN they claimed that the incident never happened — NOW they are talking about if the woman had a grenade.
You just watched the debate, but you don't know what they were talking about — STFU
This was the 4th claim, and the ORF already got BTFO 3 times.
You stupid lefties don't know what you are talking about.
>>74491387
saw that shit too
sometimes i'm really wondering what the hell the left thinks it's doing
it's an organizational mess at this point
>>74492825
> Yeah, the poles also ask their full names, home adress and working hours so they can all be beat up by those violent lefties
Actually something like that happened in Sweden with supporters of Sweden Democrats, when some lefties hacked into an email database
But the real question is why the heck do you think that calling people nazis in a derogative manner works in /pol/ out of all places
Most people here would love if the FPO actually created a new Reich of a new Austrian Hungarian empire
GUTE RUTSCH ÖSTERREICH
>>74493040
Linker Bildungsstandard.
>>74492966
polls
>>74482962
where can I watch the debate?
>>74490738
http://wahlfieber.at/de_du/markt/A-2016-BP-2--bundesprosidentenwahl-in-osterreich-2016-stichwahl-/
>>74492595
>He acts like nothing happened at the day at all.
Yep, and now we know that he was lying.
>>74493310
the stream is over already
>>74492825
This is actually a very common reason for polls to be distorted, its a know fact.
>>74493310
it's over, this thread is just slow.
>>74493221
yesterday wasn't the first time hofer told this story. As the orf couldn't find any sources that confirmed his story they naturally doubted him
>>74488532
>Er zahlt GIS
>>74493147
Your mistake is thinking that it's the people in South Tyrol I care about :^)
>lefties but especially ORF right now
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI
>>74493760
>mfw in Germany you go to prison if you don't pay your forced membership in the TV cabal, whether you have a TV or not.
Totally corrupt shithole where eine Hand wäscht die andere.
>>74493273
And those people will vote for hofer without a doubt. I really believe hofer is a nazi in his beliefs becaus of various reasons but i can't proove it. So I'm actually trying to talk to people who have a bit of decency left and think a nazi isn't that cool after all
and yeah the lefties aren't perfect, I'm actually quite in the middle, voted for griss the first time but the neonazis are still worse
What do you guys think about the idea of voting Hofer if you are against the FPÖ?
Speculating that an FPÖ president has the effect on many swing voters wanting to balance the political system, thinking, "We already have a blue president, might as well vote my other preferred party"
>>74493499
source?
>>74493574
>>74493458
yeah but is there no youtube link?
>>74493976
t. leftist that feels the noose close in
>>74493598
So, you agree with me now?
When Van der Bellen tells stories about his holiday, is the ORF going to question it and to fucking GO THERE and interview people there and question every small little detail about it?
It's just ridiculous.
And why the hell was the ORF too stupid to find the article about the incident?
I mean, they spend a ton of money and time, just to investigate this bullshit, but they could not just use google or send a Mail to some israeli newspaper?
I hope some people get fired because of that shit, it was just a waste of money.
They try to help VdB that hard, that they make a fool out of themself.
>>74493976
> I'm actually quite in the middle
Every radical lefty I have ever met says the same thing: "akthually I'm a moderate because the mass media is on my side xDD"
Anyways you are losing your time with your arguments: /pol/ does not care if Hofer is nazi.
You may find a more proper audience in reddit tho
>>74492952
Ist kein Problem. Wir erreichen das Mittelmeer problemlos auf Ketten :)
>>74494010
I doubt people like that exist, given that the effect is exactly the same with the green candidate
The centrist cuck parties collapsed
>>74493288
bin nicht links
und für solche liedertexte interessiere ich mich auch recht wenig aber meine frage war auch eine andere: was willst du damit sagen?
>>74494010
>Speculating that an FPÖ president has the effect on many swing voters wanting to balance the political system, thinking, "We already have a blue president, might as well vote my other preferred party"
this didn't happen in the past and probably won't happen in the future.
>>74494343
>them italian faces when Österreich anschlusses Südtirol and the Ketten just keep rolling
>>74494157
>I mean, they spend a ton of money and time, just to investigate this bullshit, but they could not just use google or send a Mail to some israeli newspaper?
Not only that. They literally interviewed a local policeofficer on it.
They probably knew that shit and tried to push it on the basis that the details were knowingly or unknowingly exaggerated. Just in case they could still push the goalpost, which is exactly what happened.
Too bad for them people have the internet.
>>74493598
>yesterday wasn't the first time hofer told this story
the ORF claims started yesterday. I am not talking about the first time he told that story.
I guess the first time he told it was right after his holiday.
>>74494394
>bin nicht links
Nicht rechts genug = links.
>was willst du damit sagen?
Du bist doch schon selbst drauf gekommen: >>74493307
>>74493976
At this point I'd actually rather spend time with literal nazis than with the modern leftists to be quite honest famile.
>>74494873
>Nicht rechts genug = links.
Please anon.
This isn't the Green party's HQ.
>>74494131
can't find it on youtube yet
Here you can watch it split into annoying little 5 minute parts
http://tvthek.orf.at/program/Das-Duell-Norbert-Hofer-Alexander-Van-der-Bellen/12756430/Das-Duell-Eroeffnungsrunde-und-der-juengste-Schlagabtausch/12771609
>>74494692
I guess it was that Guy.
>>74494137
I'm not a leftist
>>74494157
Of course they would try to find out more details about that story, they're journalists. They couln't find the story since hofer claimed there was a death, machine guns and grenades involved though they weren't. They did google and they even asked the poliece speaker!
Yeah that's what the fpö is really good at, whining how every question for them is an assumption. You noticed that hofer just doesn't answer half of all questions? And he never actually distanced himself from any statement from his burschenschaft to strache. Bellen did that frequently
>>74495160
kek
>>74495095
Ach komm, als ob einer der ernsthaft noch über Neonazis jammert nicht links ist.
>lefties on twitter are in full damage control mode about the israel thing
lel
>>74494232
lol you think everyone that isn't a nazi is a leftist? that's some simple mind set. And no, I often don't agree with the mass media. And I even prefer some, not all, of hofers statements over van der bellens but the thing is he is playing nice to get more votes and I rather have a honest president that actually values the democracy and austria, the patriotic choice is bellen
And why would i argue with people who agree with me?
>>74493831
HOLY SHIT ORF BTFO A FUCKIN GAIN THERE IS A VIDEO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP_vWCXdxZo
http://www.krone.at/TV-Programm/Hofer_und_Van_der_Bellen_in_TV-Duell_handzahm-Wahlkampffinale-Story-510995
>>74495176
>They couln't find the story since hofer claimed there was a death, machine guns and grenades involved though they weren't.
How did people on DerStandard find it that quickly then?
First link (jpost) was on there
>>74495595
what exactly was the israel thing about? i saw the article above about israeli jihadist getting shot. the other guy claimed it never happened?
I like the bantz between the two.
>>74495665
Every "moderate" that calls anyone to the right of the christian democrat a nazi is, rest-assured, a leftist
>>74495665
>the patriotic choice is bellen
Van der Bellen ist kein Patriot. Deswegen kann er auch nicht die patriotische Wahl sein.
Und wegen solchen dummen Aussagen hält man dich für einen Linken.
>>74494725
that's also my guess, and? It's still totally legit to research the story.
>>74494873
ne mitte gibts für dich nicht? ab wann ist denn rechts genug?
>>74495075
kannst du das auch begründen?
>>74495176
You still do not understand that their first claim was that Hofer never was in Israel.
They should have stopped to “investigate” when they found out that this was in fact true and that Hofer was in Israel.
But no, they had to further investigate — they just HAD to find something, so they questioned if he met a politician — this did not work out.
So, lets try the next thing, he said something about a incident — and they got BTFO again!
This whole thing has NOTHING to do with the presidential election.
But somehow the ORF decides that they would spend half of their debate and analysis on Hofers holiday. Because that is important as fuck.
And NOW they got BTFO again — but wait! THE GRANADES! The police said she had no grenades! HOFER IS LYING!!!
>Yeah that's what the fpö is really good at, whining how every question for them is an assumption
Then tell me:
WHY isn't the ORF talking about VdBs holiday? Why don't do they investigate on such small unimportant things, like.... ahm... his FUCKING membership in the Freimaurers?
They asked him, if he is still a member, and VdB said: “maybe”. Don't you think that maybe isn't a very satisfying answer?
But the ORF doesn't care about it.
You stupid lefties are the first ones who cry “HOFER IS A NAZI” and “ohhh, THIS INTERVIEW IS BASED”… do you remember the reaction of the lefties on pic related? They were claiming that the interviewer was paid by FPÖ.
And you lefties were the first who cried “HE USED NLP, VdB IS TOTALLY NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS ACTIONS”
>>74496131
Rountinely associating being left with being dumb is something you would never find in Germany and this is why Austria is great.
>>74493976
>So I'm actually trying to talk to people who have a bit of decency left and think a nazi isn't that cool after all
Are you referring to us on /pol/?
Where are you from, anyway? Do you usually browse some other 4chan board, or is this entire website new to you?
>>74495665
genuinely curious: why do you think the more patriotic choice is VdB?
I've seen people argue against Hofer a lot, but without ever presenting any actual fears or worries. Isolation within the EU is the only thing I really gathered.
Full disclosure: I'm a leftwing, life-long green voter probably voting for Hofer this time.
>>74496224
>ne mitte gibts für dich nicht?
Nein. Entweder will man die Zersetzung meiner Heimat oder deren Erhalt. Die Mitte ist nur für eine langsamere Zersetzung so dass es die Leute nicht merken und sich nicht wehren, aber im Ende kommt es auf's gleiche raus.
>ab wann ist denn rechts genug?
Siehe oben, wenn du keine Zersetzung der Nation wünschst.
>>74495878
>other guy claimed it never happened?
no not the other guy, our "objective" state media claimed that and they got BTFO like never before
>>74496779
>>74495878
They presented it like nothing happened.
See >>74492595
>>74496537
The only argument for VdB is “Hofer is going to ruin this country!”.
They don't have anything else.
Van der Bellen thinks that NGOs should decide if Austria has taken enough refugees and he worships Juncker and wants United States of Europe.
The lefties know that they would never get above 5% with RefugeesWelcome, so they are just talking about how bad Hofer is going to be.
>>74496224
>kannst du das auch begründen?
I guess I'm a bit biased when it comes to that but I have to spend a lot of my time in university with people who are unironic marxists, who try to control speech and thoughts and fight battles against imaginary problems like racism and homophobia.
At the end of the day I'm glad that /pol/ exists as a place where I can vent my frustrations a bit.
I think a more nationalistic and populist direction with hofer is a god thing.
YouTube link?
>>74495940
>dat ending
>I-it's okay Hofer Kun, I-I still like you
>D-don't say that Van der Chan
yaoi fan fiction when?
>>74497044
Funnily enough, I think that's one more reason to vote for Hofer. Most of Europe is going to shift to the right in the next few years so it's probably good to have a right wing president
>>74497461
You put images in my head :(
>>74497044
I'd love for FPÖ to prove me wrong, but their stance on immigration and poiting out how bad our current goverment is alone is not enough to convince me they are any better. It's easy to play populists in an opposition role.
Of course, VdB isn't any better when it comes to that and his refusal to approve certain governments is worrying
>>74497624
This. Trump will be part of a wave that makes the world great again.
>>74495820
the orf corrected it like 10min after the discussion in the analysis. so they probalbly new it as soon as anyone. Still, hofer lied about so many details of the story. But you only want to see what the orf did wrong, right?
>>74495982
I don't call every one on the right side a nazi. I called hofer a nazi because i believe he and a lot of people in that party are nazis. I don't think most people voting for them are, they just know how to make profit of the peoples fears
>>74496131
hofer isn't a democrat, look at his quote "sie werden sich noch wundern", what is that if not a threat to the democracy. he doesn't value the existing, official hymn. he is part of an organisation that doesn't see austria as an independent state
bellen doesnt need to be a patriot to be the patriotic choice. thats because hofer is anti patriotic. i don't understand what that has to do with beeing left?
>>74497656
>S-sorry, b-but the presidents staff isn't very big...
>>74497408
Von der Diskussion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEo6NrhQF3s
I wish there was a way I could watch this with subtitles or translations.
Hofer seems cool af.
>>74497656
Hofer's cane isn't the only thing that's pretty long ;)
>>74497872
I wonder if you take offense with the na or the zi part.
Do you rather like non-national welfare state where you invite the whole third world to your table and feed them to your peer's tax money?
>>74497872
If they were interested in profit, they would join parties like SPO and OVP were chances of being elected were always higher
You talk about how fears are bad, yet you talk yourself of a paranoid fear of nazis lol
Never mind, I shall ask you anyways: What is wrong with being a nazi?
Given that your definition of nazi does not seem to involve military buildup and wars of aggression, one can hardly argue there is anything wrong with nazism in the deluted force you believe it exists
>>74497872
>hofer isn't a democrat
I don't care. He could go full Hitler and I'd support him even more.
Democracy isn't an inherent Austrian value. You shilling for it like it matters anything means nothing to me.
FFS we were a monarchy just a hundred years ago!
>he doesn't value the existing, official hymn
It's a shit hymn that got its text butchered by the schemeing of green and red cunts.
>thats because hofer is anti patriotic.
He's not. He's just more patriotic than little leftist you can bear.
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>>74497872
Van der Bellen wants to get rid of the bundesheer, open the borders to every shitskin and would like us to be a province of the United States of Europe, yeah a real Austrian patriot.
>>74498250
* in the diluted form you believe
>>74497872
>the orf corrected it like 10min after the discussion in the analysis. so they probalbly new it as soon as anyone.
And i will say it again:
They first claimed it yesterday (or even before yesterday).
They even flew to Israel and asked a local policeman about it.
And you try to tell us, that they just had 10min?!
An you know what happened in the 10min? Hofer gave them the pic and they saw that the newspaper got linked in Twitter.
The ORF did not investigate - the FPÖ and some Twitter guy proved to them what happened.
> Still, hofer lied about so many details of the story. But you only want to see what the orf did wrong, right?
This is just stupid, you are just changing the topic.
btw.: Does this mean that you now accept that the ORF is biased?
And why are you here on /pol/? Shouldn't you be posting on derstandard.at about “Hofer is a Nazi! Muh”
>>74497872
Fuck even your ID is green, Opa Bellen please leave.
>>74489859
My father thinks Haider was murdered. Is that true?
>>74498766
Goyim please.
>>74497872
>der dritte Präsident des Nationalrates (mit großer Mehrheit gewählt) ist kein Demokrat
>>74498766
Yes he was. He was murdered by the jews.
>>74496299
Why should they just stop to investigate if they find out part of the story is true? I think were talking back and forth here. You seem to be convinced that the orf has no right to question and research hofers story. Yeah, grenades, death and machine gun. You seem to oversee that this is the important part of why it took so long to find the real story.
no official green member or anyone claimed it was paid. I also dont think bellen is perfect, just better than hofer.who said bellen wasnt resposible, and he did us nlp
>>74498766
doubt it
By the time of his death he was the leader of a collapsing party (BZO), he didn't present any threat to the jews
>>74497872
>the orf corrected it like 10min after the discussion in the analysis. so they probalbly new it as soon as anyone. Still, hofer lied about so many details of the story. But you only want to see what the orf did wrong, right?
Different anon.
I'm recognizing that Hofer might knowingly or unknowingly exagerated things.
But that doesn't make ORF's failure on this better.
Hofer could still have the excuse that at the point where he was informed on what has happened the general consesus was still the stuff that he told (which actually isn't all that unlikely - the video description was actually talking about Taliban - so there has been quite some confusion on the issue).
The ORF however does not have that excuse. Far from it actually. They interview a guy on incidents at the templeberg and still find absolutely nothing?
Because that is what they presented today. An absolute. If they had attacked the details I would be A-OK with what was said, but this shit?
For my taste, even for the ORF, this is a little too incompetent. No, I actually believe that this was strategic manipulation on the journalists end (i mean we probably don't have to argue much, that e.g. Turnher was a LITTLE biased)
And I gotta say, I find that fucking worrying. I mean I knew the ORF wasn't independent, but this is some active measures tier shit.
Political affiliation doesn't get much clearer than that.
And I pay taxes for that shit?
No, man. This shit's not okay.
>>74497872
>hofer isn't a democrat
Van der Bellen:
-United States of Europe
-less democracy for Austria
-against Volksabstimmung
Hofer:
-wenn Parlament ein Volksbegehren ablehnt soll es Volksabstimmung geben
-Volksabstimmung für EU-Austritt wenn Türkei beitritt
-doesn't want to give all the power to the EU
Compared to Hofer, VdB is a literal communist (he even voted once for KPÖ)
>>74496516
only browse 4chan when Im really really bored, usually dont post though.
mostly b, gif, soc, sometimes pol
well you see, it's probably not the best place to post here but i kinda dont care its still fun
"wir haben Bio-MarienkäferInnen mit Migrationshintergrund auf den Plakaten. Weil wir Dumme nicht diskriminieren wollen haben wir ein paar dämliche Kandidaten"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdtpLXetDrk
>>74499060
>Compared to Hofer, VdB is a literal communist (he even voted once for KPÖ)
That's a plus for that fucking faggot and you know it.
>>74498766
Haider offed himself after threats of gay gangbanging going public.
i drove past that crash site the next day and i think he did it himself and on purpose.
>>74499188
I hope Hofer reforms education in school.
>>74496750
wünsche ich nicht. glaube rechts und links würden das beide ganz gut schaffen.
>>74499030
>i mean we probably don't have to argue much, that e.g. Turnher was a LITTLE biased
Kek, here is the headline from DiePresse
>Mehr ein Duell Norbert Hofer gegen ORF-Moderatorin
a fitting headline if you ask me
>>74499322
Every rightist that comes to power needs to do that
Priority one must always be to stop the educational system from being a tool of leftist brainwashing
>>74497794
But the FPÖ knows that here actually IS a problem and that it needs to be solved.
And the FPÖ knows that a fence is able to at least partially stop people.
The Greens refuse to admit that unlimited RefugeesWelcome immigration is not possible at all and they don't want border controls, because “it would be useless anyway”.
They think that the NGOs will say when it's too much. But they did not say anything, so everything has to be OK.
>>74497872
>hofer isn't a democrat
read his speech (https://www.parlament.gv.at/PAKT/VHG/XXV/NRSITZ/NRSITZ_00039/fname_368973.pdf (page 59)) and then tell me he's not a democrat
>>74499340
>glaube rechts und links würden das beide
Was stellt Rechts an das zu einer Zersetzung führen könnte?
>>74499322
Dringendst notwendig, wie man sieht.
>>74499030
oida seit 1984 ist es schon bekannt dass der ORF rotfunk ist.
vielleicht ist es erst 2004 wirklich bemerkbar geworden.
>>74499133
Top kek, had a good laugh.
>>74499692
die leute haben sich schon 1964 darüber aufgeregt
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rundfunkvolksbegehren
>>74499833
>des gfühl wenn 1984 bei uns 20 jahre zu spät gekommen ist.
>>74499692
Yeah I mean I guess.
I really don't know what I expected.
>>74487466
Islam is not a race dipshit. If you're smart you would critisize religions and see the anger againt Islam is justifiable. Look at the koran and you see that it teaches hatred and conquest.
>>74489763
I have friends in the burchenschaft they are great guys.
>>74498766
FPÖ had split into Strache's FPÖ and Haiders BZÖ
Before the national council elections FPÖ was doing better in polls, so Haider decided to candidate as chancellor for the BZÖ himself and to show that people only prefer the FPÖ because of it's name.
Haider pretty much BTFO Strache in all discussions they had and was quickly rising in the polls right on the way overtaking the FPÖ.
not even a week before the elections Haider died in a car accident.
It's nice material for conspiracy theorists.
make what you want of it.
>>74499517
I might be rather left compared to most here, but even from my side it's easy to see that we can't support unlimited numbers of refugees.
But FPÖ forms their entire identity around migration politics. What are they gonna do next IF they can stop it? I don't trust them on any other topic, especially not finance
>>74500332
Wonder how it would have turned out if he was still alive by the time all his corruption was uncovered
>>74500623
>>74500623
Next thread
>>74500553
Du wirst dich noch wundern was alles möglich sein wird, wenn Hofer nicht spurt.
Some sex scandals and other dirt will "magically" emerge out of nowhere.
>>74498900
>Why should they just stop to investigate if they find out part of the story is true?
i already told you that:
Because all other parts are unimportant for the presidential election.
It is important to know if he was in Israel and met politicians and talked to them — but it is totally unimportant to know if there was a incident or not or which color his shoes had.
>You seem to be convinced that the orf has no right to question and research hofers story.
i did not say that. I said that they should investigate things which are important for the presidential election, and that they should investigate allegations of Van der Bellen too and that they shouldn't wast half of the debate talking about a holiday.
They could use the time to actually talk about politics.
> You seem to oversee that this is the important part of why it took so long to find the real story.
So it was not possible to just remove the “machine gun” part of the Google input? But it was possible to fucking fly to Israel and ask some guy who knows nothing about anything?
> no official green member or anyone claimed it was paid.
I thought we are not talking about official members, i thought that you mean every Hofer-voter with “good at whining”.
But then there is still the “VdB isn't responsible for his behavior, it's all the fault of NLP!!!” whining.
>I also dont think bellen is perfect, just better than hofer
This is the only argument you lefties have. “Hofer is evil!!! VdB is better.” But you don't have a single argument why anyone should actually votes for VdB — you just talk about why we should't vote Hofer (and even those arguments are stupid as fuck. Muh Nazi.)
>>74500399
>But FPÖ forms their entire identity around migration politics.
Because that's the most important thing. It influences standard of living, crime, economy. Since we're (sadly) living in a democracy, it's going to decide the future political development.
Nation = people.
We can worry about all the other stuff once this is fixed.
>>74497075
ich versteh schon dass die linken nervig sein können. kenn jmd der ist überzeugt es gibt krieg wenns hofer wird. aber du klingst für mich so als wüsstest nicht was nazis sind.
>>74498227
nope, want the refugees that are here to be properly financed and welcomed so that theyre able to be intigrated and any new refugees taken by someone else. also dislike islam (and christianity) and think there should be more deportations.
>>74498250
paranoid fear of nazis. i think you use that word that often that you dont even know what it means. the fears are legitimate to some extend, the fpö offers no solutions
I didnt use the word nazi excessively. I think hofer and also strache are real nazis (like they would be running concentration camps if this was '40, i didnt call a lot of people nazis
>>74498375
i think we really have different opinions about patriotism. im talking about 2nd republic and you about i don't even know, 3rd reich?
>>74498461
he demented all of those statements. exept for united states of europe
>Van der bellen his vision for austrian values
>freedom
>equality
>solidarity
Fair enough.
>respect
Kek dropped.
Austrians don't have any respect for anything.
We're like a more drunk version of the french, and that's what I like about austrians.
>>74500399
>I don't trust them on any other topic
Read more about the EU.
It's no coincidence they're talking about a "United States of Europe". It's no coincidence they're trying to ban cash. It's no coinicidence they're questioning borders.
They're in the process of building a communist european superstate. You may not believe it now but try to learn as much about the EU as you can.
>>74501135
Do you know what Nazis did back in the 1920s?
They grabbed some pistols and went and literally killed communists.
Stop calling people who use computers and media to distribute opinions, words, nazis.
We aren't shooting anyone, we aren't beating anyone up, we aren't breaking into people's homes at nights.
You're conflating people who point out problems with racial crime statistics and islam with people who actually went and killed other people for no good reason.
Shut the fuck up.
>>74501135
> im talking about 2nd republic and you about i don't even know, 3rd reich?
I'm talking about Austria. There's more to our country than the current form of government.
And because of that sad little Nazikeule again and again and again (as if it means anything on /pol/) people think of you as leftist.
>>74501452
>We aren't shooting anyone, we aren't beating anyone up, we aren't breaking into people's homes at nights.
Yet. It's not like the left will give us much of a choice.
>>74501135
>kenn jmd der ist überzeugt es gibt krieg wenns hofer wird
Linke Angstmache.
„Wenn wir Hofer wählen, geht die Welt unter!“
„Wenn wir Hofer wählen, bricht der 3te Weltkrieg aus!“
I rest my case now, it's obvious that your RefugeesWelcome brain damage is just to hard.
You keep on changing topics and now you even try to tell us that there will be war if we vote for Hofer.
I hope that this is bait, because it would be really sad if you believe that.
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