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>Interviews with Assad
1) https://youtu.be/m-q9_Dsb2OE
2) http://youtu.be/wELCDCPsw6M
>Southfront –Syria Military review: 4 May
https://youtu.be/Y7o0TKs7Al0
>The White Helmets Myth
https://youtu.be/s8_cPE30z-I
>Apocalyptic Jobar HD Drone
https://youtu.be/mJtrBg8TQaM
PERMANENT MAPS
>Live hohol with ticker
http://syria.liveuamap.com/
>Interactive military map
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>Syria conflict map
http://www.cartercenter.org/syria-conflict-map/
> Syria Civil war
www.edmaps.com/html/syrian_civil_war_in_maps.html
RECENT MAPS
>Aleppo city (May 3)
http://a.top4top.net/p_123zuif1.jpg
>N Aleppo (April 27)
https://i.imgur.com/4iha544.jpg
>Hit (April 26)
https://i.imgur.com/fw0g28G.jpg
>Qayartayn (April 23)
https://i.imgur.com/Lm2QXLm.jpg
>Qamishli (April 22)
https://i.imgur.com/7Ij2WZS.jpg
DEVELOPMENTS 04 May
>US Prison camp in Iraq accidentally formed ISIS
>US, Russia agree to include Aleppo in Syrian ceasefire deal – US State Dept
>Syrian Army gains ground in the battle for western Aleppo
>ISIS enraged as prisoners escape Tabqa Prison deep inside Raqqa province
>Syrian Army deploys Tiger General to retake Al-Sha’ar oil fields captured by Isis
>Tensions rise in Daraa city as rebels threaten to shell government-held districts
>SAA to storm rebel stronghold in Eastern Ghouta
>Tiger Forces prepare for counter-offensive against ISIS in northeast Homs
>Yarmouk Camp battle heats up between ISIS, Nusra
>Over 70 Jihadists killed in failed west Aleppo offensive By Leith Fadel - 04/05/2016 1
>ISIS executes Iraqis for refusing to join terror group
>IDF bombards the Gaza Strip
>Britain funds the propaganda war against Assad and Isis
>Abu hajar did nothing wrong
>Pentagon - US serviceman killed in Iraq was Navy SEAL
Last thread >>73012386
>>73098538
First for leafs
Happenings at the moment
>ISIS take Al-Shaer Oil Field, SAA hold grounds after 4 days without sleep.
>ISIS is fighting with NSA in the Iraq/Syrian border.
>FSA make a offensive and take Kaladhiya, and fail to take Khan Touman, many commanders of FSA/Nusra deaths.
>A concert happened in Palmyra after Russian Forces dismined the city.
>>73098604
Leafs or Leaf?
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/728323075540979717
Militant activist killed during the offensive in Khan Touman
>>73098921
Also
>ISIS try to get back Industrial District in Deir Ezzor, they failed
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/728324751496757248
More reports about FSA/Nusra offensive in South/West Aleppo
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/davutoglu-stepping-down-as-turkish-pm-akp-to-hold-snap-congress.aspx?pageID=238&nID=98766&NewsCatID=338
turned out to be right yesterday
>>73099018
delete this
>>73099018
I can't still accept this
>>73099459
>>73099611
His spirit lives on
>>73098538
>A concert happened in Palmyra after Russian Forces dismined the city.
Must've been a blast
>>73099731
I WILL LEAD /sg/ IN A GOOD ROAD LEAF, LEAVE IT TO ME
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/728326906005819392
Ok guys, Khan Touman under control but
https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/728326955490226177
Khalidiyah under FSA/Nusra control once again
Night time in Syria, waiting the Al-Masdar news
everytiem they post a picture of a rebel they killed
its always some bearded fuck who looks dumb as a bag of rocks
>>73101232
oh and lmao at White Helmets logo in the background, hadnt seen it before posting
>>73101232
Saudi are idiots for bring low-IQ shitty muslims from Central-Asia and North Africa. They would be doing better shit with Chileans, especially the ones in prision, they are serious deal.
>>73101282
I don't realized that before, wew lads
>>73101579
Pure Coincidence™
>Ivan Sidorenko @IvanSidorenko1 4 minhace 4 minutos Ver traducción
>@Son_of_Damascus @miladvisor Khalidiyah militant controlled but according to reports Khan Tuman Situation is a lot better then this morning
>>73084330
Currently not, maybe on the weekend.
>>73084402
Cicero is a high quality political journal. Seymour hersh is the guy who said, thst assad is probablx not redponsible for the gas attacks.
its really good. For example he states, that the operational level of us foreign policy is that hard opposed to obamas policies, that they gave crucial information about rebel movements to germany, israel and russia hoping they would give them to
>>73098538
How long until Bashar sees the end of le Grand Sultan as well?
>>73102078
I still hope Erdawg will someday retract his support for "rebels"
Is Erdogan against Assad because he wants to, or is he just another puppet in geopolitical games
Never really understood his angle towards Syria
>>73101962
>>73101962
Eh, lost parts of it copying it.
give them to assad, which they did. On another occasision the same circles convinced the cia it would be a good idea to bring in cheaper weapons from turkey instead of libya, effectivly leaving the rebels with absolute dogshit weapons instead of ghadaffis arsenal
>>73102078
epic lel
"Still president" of what exactly? 20% of the country and 90% of his people hate him
>>73102342
Erdogan is the main problem between nato and russia. He supported isis and al nusra basically from the first day.
Aleppo when?
Acording for what i'm reading, Assad/Soleimani/Putin are now trying to conceal a ceasefire to push back ISIS from other zones like East Hama/East Homs and Deir Ezzor, but if the shit isn't going anywhere, Putin will bring back all the plains to blow up Nusra/FSA.
Media is starting to tell the true about FSA and Nusra, how they're connected, so if the ceasefires aren't successful in 1 or 2 months, the Aleppo's Full Scale Operation will begin.
We're reaching to the end of the war, Trump will stop messing up in ME and stop the shit with Turkey/Saudi Arabia, FSA/Nusra have no more manwpower to hold on terrain if the start losing more men like the last 10 days in Aleppo and for worse, if the RuAF is going to go back again, then theirs days are numbered.
>>73099795
did you just...
>>73101232
Also, why are the beards always partial, by that I men they have no beard above the mouth?
That is a style of beard I sometimes also observe on strongly religious christians, come to think about it. Is it just fashion or some obscure commandment found both in christianity and islam?
ananizi sikiyim kek
amina sokarim laaaaaaaaan
GEL YARAK SUYU IC ABI GEL MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
>>73102627
>Media is starting to tell the true about FSA and Nusra, how they're connected
well yeah, its slowly trickling down in the west
>We're reaching to the end of the war,
well...let me just say I admire your optimism.
>Trump will stop messing up in ME
dont most usa polls indicate a Shillary win? in which case we better grab the lube cause Shillary will tear the ME a new one.
>>73102872
Sorry I dont know, Im not too well versed in salafism's doctrine. Dont really want to either
>>73102078
Another leader that leaves before Assad. Obama will likely step down before Assad as well. Ironic.
>Ivan Sidorenko @IvanSidorenko1 6 sHace 7 segundos Ver traducción
>#Syria #Aleppo #WesternAleppo 16 #SAA #NDF Martyred During the Defence of #Zahraa Neighborhood 2 days ago.
Nice 100+ Markito
>>73102972
>4chan
>having serious discussion by any chance
So SAA lost again a lot of equipment and ammunition to IS in Shaer oil fields.
>>73103366
>Shillary
>Win
Pick one
Drone footage of Nusra lighting up a pro SAA pickup.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrMrCrcS4NI
>>73103560
Yep, full set of images
https://archive.is/fiF2x
>>73103489
REMEMBER ARMENIAN GENOSIDE LUL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA REMEMBER WHEN THE TURKEKS KEK'D THE NIGGER LOVING ARMENIANS HAHAHAAHAHAHA LUL LUL TOPKEK CHIKOLATALI FLAVOUR AMINA SOKTUMUN KAFFIRI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>73103560
4 days of fighting without sleep a shit, heavy fighting and ISIS fuckers everywhere, i would do the same thing desu.
Also, Tiger Forces are going to counter-attack the zone.
>>73102627
>We're reaching to the end of the war
kek I have been reading it since early 2015, isis and rebels are still strong.
>>73103780
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/728335694943391744
>Ivan Sidorenko @IvanSidorenko1 2 minHace 2 minutos Ver traducción
>#Syria #Homs #Shaer Unconfirmed Reports by Pro Militant Pages #SAA counter offensive MIGHT have Started.
Just in time
>>73103769
kill yourself
>>73103682
i didn't say anything like that
>>73103629
He walked towards the enemy?
>>73103780
Well atleast blow that shit up if you're going to retreat
>>73102493
>Controls 80% of the entire population
>approval rate is at the highest it has ever been 93%
>offensive on all fronts
>rebels getting rekt
>isis (turkey lite) getting rekt
>>73104050
The tweet said trapped and captured so he might have surrendered. He looked pretty toast to me though.
>>73103769
*cringes*
>>73104050
Because of this >>73103908
And is the third time that ISIS seized it, so, of course ISIS wouldn't destroyed too for obvious reasons
Made a webm of it. Drone videos are always interesting
>>73103990
You said that you don't come here to have serious discussions, so you come here only to shitpost.
>>73104231
You can see one guy coming from the east and one from the south also so yeah he was probably trapped. But when the two guys meet it looks like the Nusra guy shot him (see the dust)
>>73104407
I was talking about the ammo
>>73104690
Good question, no time maybe?
>>73104555
>You said that you don't come here to have serious discussions
no, it's the other way around
i wish i could get some serious discussion but /pol/ is full of shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnykT3ZCmgQ
>Ivan Sidorenko @IvanSidorenko1 43 shace 43 segundos Ver traducción
>#Syria #Homs #Shaer #SAA #SyrianArmy SAMA TV Reporter - Counter Offensive Started and #SAA regained Some Area's.
GO TIGER GO
>Reports that Jaish Al Fateh is about to enter Khan Tuman.
https://twitter.com/SyriaNews15/status/728334708338208768
It's definitely not going well currently for the SAA. What are the Russians doing?
>>73104980
didnt they report before counter offensive still holding one well and an overlooking hill? better than nothing I guess
>>73105046
>https://twitter.com/SyriaNews15/status/728334708338208768
>Hoholmap
>4 hours ago
Dude, read the thread >>73099088 >>73100186
>>73105203
I don't what in the fuck is happening at Shaer to be honest, i think that we need a good map.
Maybe they are south of Shaer Old Filed
>>73104776
Well obviously you don't want to destroy the ammo while you are still fighting so it is something that has to happen at the last moment when you are sure that you are about to be overrun. by that point everyone is just focusing on getting as far away as possible. Watch some of the drone views of positions collapsing, from everyone shooting to everybody running happens in around 30 seconds.
If the SAA had officers that could order and plan retreats they could decide that a position is unable to hold and plant charges before starting an orderly retreat. They don't have that though.
>>73104801
>i wish i could get some serious discussion
all you want to do is live out your fantasies of turkey taking over the world when in reality without NATO/US you would struggle just to take syria
>>73105551
>Arabs can't into war
After all, some places still don't have Russian Support like Palmyra, Latakia or Aleppo, so they're in the old model of arabs shits, and that go for ISIS too.
should also consider the SAA has lost some 50k solders over the span of the war. most of them probably the best trained/experienced so you can't blame the conscripts/militia that are basically fighting for their lives to keep alive
Anyone seen this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg3uo8YMlcE
>GoPro HD footage: British YPG fighter in action against ISIS in Syria
>>73105787
proofs?
>>73106024
84 nations+Turkey+Saudi+some oppositions faggots inside Syria vs SAA only for almost 3 year + Hezbollah + Iraqi Militias + few Russians
+ some IRGC
>>73106098
There is a reason everyone else head mounts their gopros.
>>73106280
also should consider their enemies don't take prisoners - being captured means certain execution.
i wouldn't give a fuck about demo'ing some ammo if i was about to be over run neither
>>73106098
>jam
>has to disassemble the whole weapon to fix it
lmao what a shitty weapon
>>73106280
You forgot the Afghans.
https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/728262762217017345
>>73106226
if nobody was helping you at all, dealing with hezbollah/SAA/NDF, YPG and ISIS would be fucking exhausting no matter who you were and I don't know how you think the rebels at this stage would be in a position to govern syria anyway, you would be looking at PKK, hezbollah, and shia and christian/druze insurgent groups harassing the both of you forever
>>73106098
damn, what a lucky bastard
>>73106901
Nobody helps us dude lmao Why should we fight with saa or ndf without reason? US and NATO helps pkk/ypg already
>>73103744
>https://archive.is/fiF2x
Its absurd how well equipped ISIS has become and how much intel they get from countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey and still everyone just looks away and not even a word about sanctions or something against there terrorist supporting regimes...
>>73103780
>i would do the same thing
fat greasy spic on his fat ass, you're not helping the cause buddy
>>73107324
>Why should we fight with saa or ndf without reason?
when you invade a country you generally have to fight the government there
>US and NATO helps pkk/ypg already
this kinda actually makes me mad, you shill that the YPG is the same thing as the PKK so hard and hit them with artillery so they are so paranoid about you they keep ties with the PKK just in case, if you would stop accusing them of being terrorists for half a second maybe they could sit down and talk with peshmerga and have a future instead of preparing insurgents for the looming invasion
The ambush was geolocated
https://twitter.com/Ald_Aba/status/728309985738956801
http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.120739&lon=37.060179&z=18&m=b
It looks like the town is surrounded if I have the directions right.
>>73107508
>Pic of ants
And yes, i would rather retreat that losing manpower in a critic situation.
>VERY VIOLENT BATTLES ONGOING @ #Khan_Tuman #Khan_Toman #SAA Reinforcements Arrived
https://twitter.com/IvanSidorenko1/status/728345734190370816
>>73108346
I hope FSA/Nusra lose a large amount of militans, will be good for the other fronts.
>>73108131
This guy is fucking based. He can find anything
>>73107990
We dont invade directly and yes ypg and pkk is same thing we saw that after pkk operations Their equipment comes from ypg so we shell. They are terrorist and terrorist. If you kill my soldier or police you are a terrorist too.
KRG is enemy of pkk btw. Peshmerga will never talk with them
>>73108545
well they are, sadly Ivan has also posted a martyred SAA soldier now
SAA Soldier Nidal Ali Ahmed.
RIP, so many die protecting the Syria they believe in while the west does nothing or even provides the weapons theyre killed with
>>73099795
Kek
Alright, so I haven't been here for a while, but what's the situation? When I was here last there was the planning for the Allepo offensive. Did anything major happen since then?
>>73108789
KRG /wants/ to talk to them, they wont until the YPG goes on the offensive against the PKK
the YPG won't do that as long as you're looming invasion over their heads because they are planning to launch an insurgency against you when you do, see how this works?
>>73109641
SAA struggeling to keep their territories in Aleppo and near Palmyra. No news about the allgeded offensive.
>>73109827
Getting attacked by YPG, FSA, and ISIS all at once, or just ISIS?
Another SAA soldier martyed at Khan Tuman, says Ivan.
Fuck. RIP
>>73109940
Aleppo by "opposition", near Palmyra by ISIS
difference is though that that Aleppo area (Khan Tuman and Khalidiyah) have been SAA territory for a while
east of Palmyra (Sha'er gasfields) were only recently taken.
>>73110218
Alright, thanks. Saudis and Roaches pumping more money into ISIS now?
>>73109673
Dude, KRG economy is bound to Turkey. We have problem with syrian communie k*rds.
We made a oil pipeline with krg against iraq goverment will It's kerkük yumurtalık oil pipeline and pkk attacks it.
Let's make a deal pkk will leave Turkey and surrender?
>>73110380
perhaps. ISIS were pretty quiet on most fronts for a bit, but in recent days theyve increased pressure on both Azaz (opposition) and northeast of Palmyra (SAA)
however theyve started efforts and propaganda videos to literally train child soldiers, so I would hope that says something about man power shortage.
also
why arent the kurds opening any fronts against IS?? you never see any news of kurds fighting IS anymore, do they have a ceasefire or some shit or should I just follow more Kurd shills on twitter for better info
>>73110980
Ah, thanks again. Was only a matter of time until they pulled the Child Soldiers out eh?
>>73107324
That is good.
>>73111617
This is good
>>73107324
Why do Turks even want Assad gone? The way i see it, the power vacuum that would create would give rise to a Kurdish nation supported by the west and maybe even Russia right at your border.
>>73112055
neo-ottomanism,sunni syria government
Any news about Sarmada bombing? Was it really air strike; there seem to be no proofs of plane presence.
>>73111887
What do you want? I fucked a Turkish gurl and she came. Do you care? Well, you should not.
>>73112794
>What do you want?
lel
At least you are white, proud of this
Nice to see /sg/ getting 100+ in hours, we're too slow
>>73112994
You support Erdogan or Davatoglu?
>>73109641
Read this >>73102627
>Recently, a report revealed that 91% of the Ukrainian Army’s weaponry and armored vehicles have been put back in service as its troops have regrouped around the Donbass region, a small pocket in eastern Ukraine controlled by Russian separatists.
>Thus, an upcoming summer offensive is now expected which endangers the Minsk-brokered ceasefire agreement and threatens to embroil the country in war once more.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-ukrainian-army-prepares-summer-offensive-donbass/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF_VfddqAfU
>>73114221
Erdogan
>>73114221
Davidson was literally the only ethnic turk in akp
>>73114654
/ug/ SOON
>>73114804
Can Russia handle both Ukraine and Syria?
>>73114654
Please let this be true!! I want to see ukraine army BTFO again
>ISIS Captured at least 20 Tanks and 4 BMP's during Shaheer Offensive in #Homs. More than 100 #SAA Soldiers were killed and more than 65 Checkpoints were Captured by IS during Shaheer Offensive in 4 days. More than 200 Russian Airstrikes on Shaheer so far, #Homs #ISIS.
https://twitter.com/warrnews/status/728355830010134528
>>73114100
Because of Trump
>>73115291
SAA BTFO
>>73099611
He made /sg/ a better place by his memage. He still lives in us.
>>73115397
>Turkey cheering for ISIS
Not surprised at all
>>73115291
>20 tanks and 4 BMPs
Great! More targets for Mi-28's!!
Has ISIS gained weapons from the NSA yet?
>>73115941
And the CIA, and USAID, and the UK and the ZOG. The whole shebang
>>73116377
I know about them I was just wondering about this New Syrian Army bollocks that was invented to arm ISIS
>>73116551
I-I was just making a pun about the NSA...
>>73115836
wE HAVE COMMON ENEMY
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
>>73117079
What happened to this?
>>73116842
it's ok philibro
>>73117287
NO COMMENT
>>73116551
>>73116377
>>73115941
>tinfoiling this hard
ISIS originated in the late 90s, then became bound to al-Qaeda, then split and became ISIS. al-Qaeda adheres to Qutubism, which preaches fighting the foreign enemy first, while ISIS are Salafis and Wahabis who believe that cleansing the Muslim community comes first before fighting the foreign enemies (which means killing everyone who isn't Sunni). They believe the first generation of Muslim parents, grandparents, and children were the example to follow (salafi means 'predecessor') and they base this on the hadith where Mohammed says the Muslims of his generation were the best to ever live and practice Islam.
Their interpretation of the Quran comes from al-Wahab who lived in the 19th century. They combine Salafism and Wahabism, al-Qaeda does not.
No intelligence community and no Western government has anything to do with them and never had anything to do with them, even back in the late 90s when they first originated.
You see them with American military equipment because the Iraqi troops threw down their weapons and ran and they looted them from them. The Syrian army didn't run, they stood their ground and fought, hence why these routes between Iraq and Syria are so vitally important for ISIS, they need them to transport all the weapons they looted in Iraq to their men fighting on the frontlines in Syria.
The more you know.
>>73117540
>being this new
>>73117540
>http://syriagenerals.wordpress.com/developments/
Wew lad, we have a wordpress now. You can't pull the
>muh pastebin
excuse anymore
>>73117791
He is right
>>73117965
He says, with his ISIS flag
>>73116551
Did you not see how much stuff the Syrian Arab Army just "donated" to ISIS? Pretty much everything they have was captured from the governments of Syria and Iraq.
https://archive.is/fiF2x
>Aleppo | Descent into a living hell | May 3rd 2016 (part 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2E5tEZPmhU
>>73102568
Russian democracy is even a bigger problem.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-the-west-not-ready-democratic-russia-16056
>>73117791
>>73117953
This is why I stopped posting in these threads. Every one of you fucking idiots were harping about how ISIS never threatened Israel, then I posted a video of an Arab-Israeli ISIS fighter threatening to kill all the Jews in Hebrew and you completely ignored it and asked why they never attempted to attack Israel or kill Israelis then I posted an interview with Jurgen Todenhoffer, a German journalist who spent ten days in the Islamic State with guaranteed protection from al-Baghdadi, who stated that ISIS aren't afraid of US or British ground troops, but they're afraid of Israeli ground troops and Israel is the only country ISIS is afraid of, and that STILL wasn't good enough.
I should have learned my lesson then, you people are fucking IDIOTS.
>>73117965
Thanks, Turkey.
>>73120010
Israel is shipping munitions to ISIS.
And giving medical support to ISIS.
>>73120233
Have you ever been in Syria?
Drone view of the Nusra assault is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKQhuf37PRQ
>>73120574
They're usually deleted after one day
>>73120010
>ISIS aren't afraid of US or British ground troops, but they're afraid of Israeli ground troops and Israel is the only country ISIS is afraid of, and that STILL wasn't good enough.
How convenient. You didn't post the video that explains the reason why they're afraid of kike ground troops but not US troops, did you?
>>73120233
>>73120676
The munitions part is horseshit, the medical care was a deal that was struck between Israel and the Syrian rebels, not the jihadists and Islamists, that if the rebels stay away from Israel's Golan border and do not touch the Druze, since Israel assists the Druze on the Syrian side of the border, then they can receive medical care on a don't-ask-don't-tell basis.
When the Israelis did this around this time last year, ISIS had no presence in the Golan and if they did, they would have slaughtered the Druze and Israel would have retaliated, thus no deal would have been struck.
>>73120676
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-supports-isis/5492807
>>73120010
By all means leave then, one counterexample cannot be used to discredit everything you don't like. Geopolitics is messy and every side is bad and good.
If you support the foreign rebels in Syria you support the prolonged suffering of the citizens in Syria, this is a given.
>>73120676
They've fucking admitted it and the realpolitik ist selbstverstanndlich.
Honestly most of the hate towards Jews comes from them insisting that up is down until mathematically demonstrated otherwise.
>>73121216
yeah its pretty lame. liveleak will have a copy but they have shittier quality and a watermark. Now I just use youtube-dl so I have the best version if I want to make a webm.
I'm looking for a video of an SAA vehicle column being filmed, with many dismounted from vehicles and gathering around the camera in a cheerful manner. Then the convoy begins to move out. About half way through it becomes a slideshow of images. Upbeat music throughout.
>>73121548
Sucks that you have to literally be at a hair trigger for these or you miss them forever.
So free! So democratic!
https://www.rt.com/news/341977-zaman-shutdown-turkey-erdogan/
>>73121227
This. there's no ISIS on the border lol, only some other rebel factions. also, they treat them for the Intel, it's not so hard to understand why.
>>73121397
>presstv
>>73121642
the reddit sub used to have a great archive bot but nobody want to pay for it so it died. I've considered making a private one on a cheap VPS.
Anybody have a webm or link for the video where they stage for bodies of the chemical weapons attack?
>>73121767
>zaman
Do you know what is fetullah güven by any chance? lmao
>>73112055
They want them gone because the Kurds declared an autonomy there with the approval of Assad.
Assads doesn't care because the Kurdish region will act as a buffer when turkey decides to invade the place.
Erdogan doesn't want to see autonomy for the Kurds anymore after their succes in Iraqi Kurdistan and Rojava. Mainly because he has 15+ million Kurds living in turkey. Keep in mind that the battle with the 10K man PKK (armed by teenagers and females) has been going on for 40 years already.
Erdogan thinks "what are 15 million Kurds capable of if 10K are already raping my soldiers for the last 40 years?"
>>73121892
gülen*
>>73121767
Good to see Turkey clearing the obstacles for it's EU visa deal.
Can't silence the press if they've been put out of business!
>>73122119
Clever!
>>73121771
ALOHA YHWH
ISIS IS ISRAHELL
>>73119888
Check my trips.
>>73121771
>argumentum ad hominem
>>73121630
https://youtu.be/uWuiN9r4v7w
found it
Ya greater Syria!
>>73122414
Damn, who is that Peruvian semen demon on the right?
>>73121477
>Geopolitics is messy and every side is bad and good.
Except I never said that. I don't think "a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist", I think all terrorists ARE NOT created equal. I look at their ideology. I look at their goals. I look at their methods of obtaining these goals. I look at their motivation. I look at all of these things.
ISIS believes in slaughtering everyone who isn't them. This makes them a legitimate target to annihilate from this planet since those who refuse tolerance and acceptance of the other are, unknowingly, making themselves victims of legitimate backlash.
The Kurds don't want to slaughter me and kill me for not being like them. They just want their own country. They do not want to conquer the planet like ISIS.
Do you see my point? I look at what each group wants and I judge them based on that. And when I do this, these Islamists like ISIS are by far the worst group of people involved in this entire conflict, they don't want as-Sham, they want the entire planet.
>>73122665
>la tigresa del oriente
>>73122968
So first you were pro-ISIS now you're anti-ISIS, at least you've improved your position.
>>73123150
I am not and have never been pro-ISIS. This is why I bend over backwards to make people see that they themselves, and themselves alone, are responsible for these horrific acts they commit, it's not some tinfoil conspiracy or a product of Western intervention, it is legitimate evil and needs to be eradicated.
when will they learn
>>73123422
So if I give a known murderer a gun that I know he is going to kill people with, i'm not to blame? Because it's simply his ideology?
And if I fund a twitter campaign to start a violent muslim revolution i'm not to blame? Because it was their ideaology to start a civil war?
>>73123078
thanks best ally.
>>73122968
Kurds have a long history of slaughtering non-Kurds whenever they are allowed to do so.
Autonomous Kurdistan was supposedly disarming Yazidi and Assyrian citizens, who were left as the only people in Iraq without small-arms, as the smallest minority groups in the country.
Then the Kurds left them to get swept up by ISIS and swooped in to 'save' them.
Kurds are as much scum as anybody else, they're just smarter.
>>73123795
xdd
(you)
*cringes*
>>73123848
>slaughtering non-Kurds whenever they are allowed to do so.
Nice sources.
Let me guess:
t. Orhan Aydemir
>>73123795
You have been jewed by Perubro, Scholmo
>>73122665
Look it up on YouTube, those three ... ah, artists made a pro-Israel music video. It ends with an image of kalaniyot. The guy on the other end is Delfin Quishpe, best known for Torres Gemalas, a music video about the September Eleventh attacks.
As you can see, Israel is never far from mention of IX/XI.
>>73123746
Yes, thats why Assad is responsible for ISIS.His connections to the groups that created ISIS goes way back before the Iraq war
>>73124086
Kurds carried out the Armenian genocide along with the Turks.
>>73124150
Porque
>>73124246
You genuinely believe the Syrian civil war is something Assad wants? How does it benefit him in any way to have the western world and foreign fighters attacking his government, would love to hear your rational.
>>73124246
Whereas US ambassador Robert Ford is not a hell of a lot more responsible in every way?
>>73123746
Who gave them these guns? They looted them from the Iraqi military. The Iraqi military was corrupt beyond all hope, those weren't soldiers, those were investors. They'd pay their way up the ranks, say they had 500 soldiers, when in reality, they only had maybe 200, and they'd pocket the salaries of the so-called "ghost soldiers". They looted the entire two billion dollar military budget we left them. If they did their jobs properly, ISIS never would have humiliated them the way that they did.
We're back to re-train and re-arm them, but I have little hope it will change anything. It's not a military problem, it's a cultural problem. And cultural problems take generations to correct.
>>73123848
>Kurds have a long history of slaughtering non-Kurds whenever they are allowed to do so.
Why aren't they slaughtering all the Western volunteers who came to their aid to help them fight ISIS?
>>73124901
>Avoid the question
>>73124515
You genuinely believe the Syrian civil war is something the rebels wants? How does it benefit them in any way to have the Russian and foreign fighters attacking the FSA, would love to hear your rational.
>>73125043
I don't even know what the fuck you're getting at, they have these weapons because they stole them. If you're trying to pin ISIS on the West, then you're sorely mistaken, if that's even what you're doing.
>>73124246
So a tie to ISIS makes you responsible for them?
It's great you acknowledge Mccain is responsible for ISIS.
>>73125159
>avoided the question
>>73125220
You ignored what I wrote because you couldn't answer, you still wont answer it.
>>73125372
forgot pic
>>73123746
>So if I give a known murderer a gun that I know he is going to kill people with, i'm not to blame? Because it's simply his ideology?
I don't know what this means in the context of this conversation because no one GAVE ISIS ANYTHING, THEY LOOTED ALL THAT SHIT.
>And if I fund a twitter campaign to start a violent muslim revolution i'm not to blame? Because it was their ideaology to start a civil war?
Again, I don't even know what this means regarding ISIS.
Explain your point in a less cryptic way, please.
If you give a weapon to a monkey, you're responsible for what it does with it.
You fund and create a terrorist organization, you're morally responsible for any outcomes of such an action. Including any more or less 'evil' organizations that your creation might spawn.
You're the evil here, Bob. Your freedom of pursuit of burger comes at a price that the third world pays.
>>73125220
Let's make this easier for everyone. Who armed and funded AQ in Afghanistan where it all started?
>>73125017
Real russian democracy has never been tried.
>>73099825
wait why is he black? oh well who cares
we wuz ottomans and shiet niggu
fuck the russians, comin' straight from the underground
they hate a turk cuz he brown
>>73124086
kurds are doing it today, just look at how iraqis and ypg are chimping out on all non-kurds(assyrians, turkmen, arabs etc) and forcing them out of their land
>>73124086
hamadian massacres famalam
>>73124901
can't steal land from western volunteers
>>73125858
>t.buthurtt
>>73125793
We gave weapons to several different groups of people and intervened in several different countries throughout history. There are no Salvadoran, Guatemalan, Vietnamese, or North Korean terrorists.
If you're trying to say that Muslims are savage animals who are not to be trusted or engaged in any way because they are so batshit crazy, then I agree with you there. Removing Saddam was a gigantic mistake. But ISIS existed long before that happened and had all the same aims and goals as it did then, so their creation had nothing to do with removing Saddam.
>>73125372
Syrian regime used Al Qaeda in Iraq to attack American troops and British troops during the insurgency, then after the tribal uprising they went back over to Syria to be used in Lebanon as a proxy. Assad's security apparatus bought off the top leaders into working for them.
>>73125556
You say only ISIS is responsible yet there's clear evidence the whole situation is funded and encouraged by the west in an attempt to take down Assad.
>>73126262
This excuses us working with Al Qaeda how?
>>73126452
The US doesn't work with Al Qaeda, they just blew up a general the other day. In fact Al Nusra is excluded from the peace talks.
>>73126900
Oh you're a MSM believer lol
>>73126452
>You say only ISIS is responsible yet there's clear evidence the whole situation is funded and encouraged by the west in an attempt to take down Assad.
Assad doesn't want to slaughter us in our own countries. ISIS does. After Paris, Brussels, and San Bernardino, our government has stated over and over again that ISIS is definitely the greater evil. The people in charge of our security aren't so fucking stupid as to believe that Assad is worse than ISIS, that's why we've bombed them and put advisers on the ground to re-arm and re-train these incompetent fucks to fight them.
The "moderate rebels" who were meant to replace Assad turned out to be basically no better than ISIS regarding their beliefs and the idea was abandoned.
We fucked with Assad, saw that what he was fighting was WAY WORSE than he could ever be, and decided to scrap the whole idea of a "moderate" rebel force to replace him because moderates do not exist and ISIS is targeting us in our home countries, something Assad would never do.
Mistakes were made, decisions were changed, but this doesn't change the fact that ISIS is responsible for the horrific shit that they do, and if the Iraqi military didn't collapse due to being corrupt fucks when they invaded, this situation wouldn't even exist as it does right now.
If anything, I blame the Iraqi military for this situation more than anyone else.
>>73124369
Lol? This is known to be a fucking lie made by the tr propaganda machine.
'The Young Turks' revolution had nothing to do with the minorities in the Otoman Empire. It is a known fact that all minorities were living in peace untill these turkish fucks started to fuck everything up.
You don't need to be a smartass to know about this.
>>73098538
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TrovtcNhpQ
>>73125980
Meh, it kinda was tried, in the 90's, in the middle of the chaos with gommies nearly winning it back democratically. Then we abandoned this stupid idea for good. Who has real democracy nowadays anyway?
>>73127038
What are you even trying to argue? We all agree ISIS is bad and is an enemy, do you not see that Assads government is the only force that will be able to defeat ISIS in Syria?
If FSA take over Syria will end up worse than Libya and ISIS will take over, giving them all the resources of Syria to attack the west. At least Assad is not interested in fighting foreign countries.
>>73126072
Didn't ISIS exist because AL-Qaeda existed? Who created AL-Qaeda? You and your Saudi allies.
Didn't Saddam's removal help ISIS tremendously? Stop making these 'gigantic mistakes' USA! Start doing something to prevent your government from looting the third world. You're about to make a 'gigantic mistake' thrice. Gotta be honest with you. It almost looks like US is cultivating ISIS around the world.
>If you're trying to say that Muslims are savage animals who are not to be trusted or engaged in any way because they are so batshit crazy
Well, I compared them to monkeys so yeah. That's why there are a lot less non-Muslim terrorists. Muslims are easily susceptible to radicalization. Part of the reason is Islam itself. The other part of the reason are your ally's efforts.
>>73127332
>t. brainwashed kurd diaspora in belgium
allah billah serok biji apo my brown aryan friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7U8tOwxz64
>>73126055
Looks comfy as fuck. Based Kazakh. Fuck Islamist backstabbing roaches.
>>73127794
WHAT AN UGLY MOTHER FUCKER
and that belgium guy has mental issues i think he is not even kurdish probably armenian :DD
Why does this image look so funny?
>>73128339
https://youtu.be/djqJt1k3NIM
>>73098604
You are a model for what this country stands for.
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>>73098538
Greater Israel 4 millions refugees greatest Exodus in human history ..
>>73127611
>Didn't ISIS exist because AL-Qaeda existed?
No. They joined al-Qaeda in Iraq after the US invasion in 2003 then broke apart from them in 2006 because they wanted to purify the Islamic world of Shi'ites and other non-Sunni sects while al-Qaeda wanted to cooperate with them first and then deal with them after the great satan was defeated.
>Who created AL-Qaeda?
Osama bin Laden, whom the Saudi royal family despised. The CIA never had contact with bin Laden, this is a meme, and Peter Bergen does a fine job dismissing it as the only Western journalist to interview bin Laden.
>CIA did fund Gulbuddin Hekmatyar during the war against the Soviets, who is now the leader of a Taliban allied insurgent group fighting in northeastern Afghanistan, and an Afghan Pashtun close to bin Laden. CIA also had a relationship in the 1980s with Jalaluddin Haqqani, later a millitary commander of the Taliban. But the CIA and al-Qaeda had no direct dealings of any kind.
>Stop making these 'gigantic mistakes'
What was the one benefit Saddam provided which was sorely lacking and caused this mess after his removal?
Security.
You didn't even read what I wrote here about why the Iraqi military is squarely to blame for this mess.
>The Iraqi military was corrupt beyond all hope, those weren't soldiers, those were investors. They'd pay their way up the ranks, say they had 500 soldiers, when in reality, they only had maybe 200, and they'd pocket the salaries of the so-called "ghost soldiers". They looted the entire two billion dollar military budget we left them. If they did their jobs properly, ISIS never would have humiliated them the way that they did.
They could have had security without Saddam, but their greed and corruption overtook them. We gave them everything to prevent something like this and they fucking wasted every last bit of it.
>>73127524
>do you not see that Assads government is the only force that will be able to defeat ISIS in Syria?
I never disagreed with this. Assad is a secular dictator and all the minorities (of which the Assad family is, they're Alawites) and modern, civil people in that country depend on secularism which he is willing to protect and defend. I never agreed with funding the "moderate" rebels or fucking with Assad, I was simply explaining why that decision changed.
>If FSA take over Syria will end up worse than Libya and ISIS will take over, giving them all the resources of Syria to attack the west. At least Assad is not interested in fighting foreign countries.
You're preaching to the quire. I agree with you.
>>73130944
>No Jews pushing for it in Denmark
Shipping them to Sweden during ww2 was the best thing we ever did
Reminder that US-backed FSA fighters joined ISIS
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/07/08/us-backed-moderate-free-syrian-army-factions-join-islamic-state-terror-group/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/logistics-101-where-does-isis-get-its-guns/5454726
https://en.zamanalwsl.net/readNews.php?id=5696
Reminder that US backed rebels give weapons to al Qaeda
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html
Reminder that US helped ISIS
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/03/31/how-us-backed-war-on-syria-helped-isis/
Reminder that weapons of ISIS come from moderate beheaders
https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/259493-isis-terror-war-arms/
Reminder that USA accidentally created ISIS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3104859/US-Prison-camp-Iraq-accidentally-formed-ISIS-housing-radial-jihadists-allowing-organize-terror-group.html
>>73117540
>They combine Salafism and Wahabism
Stop talking out of your ass!
Whhabism is just another (deragatory) term for salafism which started by Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.
The reason people who want to insult salafism by calling it wahabism is because the term salafia (like alsalaf alsalih) lends credit to the salafists themselves, hence they want to distract from that,
>al-Qaeda adheres to Qutubism, which preaches fighting the foreign enemy first, while ISIS are Salafis and Wahabis who believe that cleansing the Muslim community comes first before fighting the foreign enemies
This has nothing to do with Qutaibi, and he said nothing about fighting who first, just advocated jihad againt both the secular ME governments and the west.
Al-qaida are salafists/wahabists, Azzam, Bin laden, and current Alqaida command are too!
Both he and Abdullah Azzam along with osama bin laden are considered the revivers of islam among all jihadists, be it Alqaida, or ISIS!
this issue is new.
TL;DR this guy is BSing
>>73132753
>American
>Canadian
>Turkish
>British
>???
>Russian
>British
inb4 someone says its just Syrian/Russian shills claiming this stuff
>>73132805
>Stop talking out of your ass!
Wahabis don't like being called Wahabis. This makes the description less accurate? The Islamic State does not like being called Da'esh, but it's simply the Arabic acronym for Dawlat Islamiyyah, does it make it less accurate because they don't like being called that?
>and he said nothing about fighting who first
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism
>It has been described as advancing the extremist jihadist ideology of propagating "offensive jihad," - waging jihad in conquest
He wanted the West first. al-Qaeda wanted the West first. bin Laden wanted the West first. They had no interest in cleansing the Islamic world of non-Sunni sects, there was even an (albeit shaky) alliance between bin Laden and Iran.
>Qutbism has gained widespread attention because it is widely believed to have influenced Islamic extremists and terrorists such as Osama bin-Laden
You need to stop talking. And get out of Cyprus, Turk.
>>73132805
Oh wait, now I see why you threw a hissy fit about Wahabism and Salafism.
Wahabism preaches a literal interpretation of the Quran which was quite uncommon in the Islamic world at the time, there were several schools of Islamic thought that maintained that there was an "obvious" and "hidden" meaning in each verse, much like Talmudic scholars thought about the Talmud. His approach was radical and literal.
The Salafism is the preaching of following the ways of the prophet Mohammed which means following the Sunnah as it existed at the time of their pious forefathers, it has nothing to do with an interpretation of the Quran, that comes from Wahabism, groups like ISIS blend the two together.
>>73133340
>Wahabis don't like being called Wahabis. This makes the description less accurate? The Islamic State does not like being called Da'esh, but it's simply the Arabic acronym for Dawlat Islamiyyah, does it make it less accurate because they don't like being called that?
Did you even get the point you moron?
you wrote:
>ISIS are Salafis and Wahabis
I pointed out that its one and the same thing (wahhabi = salafi)
you not knowing the difference makes you an idiot.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbism
wiki = discarded.
Did you even read hid books? do you even know his biography?
There is a reason why the pan-arabian secular, secular, Gamal Abdel Nasser had him excuted, he was a threat to ME governments.
he viewed current ME seculrists as both an extension, and as puppets of the west. So did Osama Binladen.
Again both Alqaida and ISIS agree on that, they just differ on method!
>>Qutbism has gained widespread attention because it is widely believed to have influenced Islamic extremists and terrorists such as Osama bin-Laden
Whats your point? I already wrote that he is beloved by all jihadist
Do you even know that ISIS's main website still hosts Osama binladen's picture in the main page?
Stop acting like the know it all expert by just reading wiki, you know nothing, you didn't even know the extend of your own ignorance by thinking that I was disagreeing about irrelevant points!
I'm not on either site, or an expert, but I know enough to see through your BS.
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>>73134290
>you not knowing the difference (or lack there off) makes you an idiot.
>>73134290
>(wahhabi = salafi)
No.
>Wahabism preaches a literal interpretation of the Quran which was quite uncommon in the Islamic world at the time, there were several schools of Islamic thought that maintained that there was an "obvious" and "hidden" meaning in each verse, much like Talmudic scholars thought about the Talmud. His approach was radical and literal.
>The Salafism is the preaching of following the ways of the prophet Mohammed which means following the Sunnah as it existed at the time of their pious forefathers, it has nothing to do with an interpretation of the Quran, that comes from Wahabism, groups like ISIS blend the two together.
You could look right above you, but I'll post it again.
You can drag in Nasser, the Muslim Brotherhood, bin Laden, al-Qaeda, and ISIS, but the fact remains that ISIS is concerned with cleansing the Islamic world of non-Sunnis, something al-Qaeda never gave a fuck about, they wanted the West first.
Why did they hold the lunatic view that their own governments were hostile towards them? Because of the West.
From top to bottom, left to right, Qutubism preaches jihad against the West. Salafis and Wahabis advocate cleaning up their own backyard of heretics and infidels first, then with Allah's blessing for their efforts, confront the Western world.
After Mohammed Emwazi beheaded James Foley, what was his message to the Western world?
"Leave us alone."
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>>73135022
>When you realize you are talking a to a delusional idiot who has no clue what he is talking about, an american no less.
Bring me a valid source on where it says wahabism isn't just another synonym for salafism.
Go ahead!
>>73135860
PS: for example, saudi clerics, who consider themselves salafi, agreee that Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab is safalism's founder (ie wahabist).
the same applies to all jihadists.
ppl need to know that salafism=wahabism, and is the ideological bases of all Islamic fundamentalism.
>>73135860
Still waiting on that source!
>>73135860
>Bring me a valid source on where it says wahabism isn't just another synonym for salafism.
There is something called "overlap" and while there is a great deal of overlap between Wahabism and Salafism, they are technically not the same thing. All Wahabis are Salafis, but not all Salafis are Wahabis. There are many Salafis who do not agree with a Wahabist interpretation of the Quran.
Why does this bother you so much?
>an american no less.
You can always count on a Turk to betray the legacy of Ataturk, the man whom without, your people would be living in the same shackles as those of Saudi Arabia.
Any info about this refugee camp that got bombed? 30 dead, BBC pointing fingers at Russia.
>>73137167
What "source" would satisfy you? Which authority do you hold above all else regarding Islamic matters? You do not have the equivalent of a Pope, so what source am I supposed to use?
>>73137876
>What "source" would satisfy you?
I guess any source would be fine. Just provide it, you haven't so far.
>>73137566
Even with the "overlap" excuse, you still can't bring up even one valid source?
Took you a long time to reply too, must've been searching google frantically.
>Start raging off topic because you lost
>MFW
>>73137819
Those evil ruskies
>>73138323
He's already said he hates Wikipedia, so that's out the window even though it's already the easiest and there are several sites that answer this question for retards like Quora and Yahoo Answers which I assume he will disregard, now rather than just rattle off what I already know from reading about this topic for over ten years, that Salafism is a 13th century idea and Wahabism is a 19th century idea, they were both unpopular and controversial everywhere except in Saudi Arabia, Wahabism came to mean essentially the same thing as Salafism, even though it's technically not true, ect, I mean, what is he looking for? Books? Arabic sources? What?
If he hates Wikipedia, he damn sure won't read anything written for plebs to understand like Quora and Yahoo Answers and he absolutely won't accept my answer combed from over ten years of reading about the topic.
>>73138812
>ten years reading about islam
Not suspicious at all
>>73138812
None of those are valid sources mate. Wikipedia, Quora and Yahoo answers can be made up by anyone, I can literally go there right now and lie to fit my agenda. Try giving those sources to any academic and they will laugh about you.
Articles, books, magazines, research papers, those are usually valid sources.
>>73138812
Excuses, ehh?
Alright then, i'll do some of your job for you.
since Saudi Arabia and it's sunni clerics are the authority on Salfasim (they are salafist).
Bring me a source from them that states that Wahabism is a seperate entity.
Since wahabism literally means followers of Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, then your source can also be one where any salafi cleric discredits Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab.
Since you are over a "ten years" expert on this matter, one would had assumed you wouldn't need that advice since you already know salafism so well!
Now show us your true knowledge (or lack thereof)!
>>73138516
I'm asking you, what sources would satisfy you?
You're essentially telling me that 2 + 2 isn't 4 and asking me to prove it. Where would I even begin? Salafis are the ahl as-sunnah, the people of the sunnah, their commitment is to the prophet Mohammed and emulating their predecessors since Mohammed said they were the best Muslims to ever live.
Wahabism came much later and is a different form of Salafism.
Am I wrong about this?
>>73139480
Fuck off, I never wanted to convert.
>>73138812
>my answer combed from over ten years of reading about the topic.
You've spent 10 years reading and learning about something and you can't find one reference to anything you've read or learnt to back up your statements?
>>73139794
>10+ years studying a subject
>can't provide 1 valid source
Did you only read the comments in yahoo and quora and articles in wikipedia without checking the sources? You just blindly follow what a community of people were telling you without verifying if it was true or not?
>>73139794
as I said in >>73139676
>Saudi Arabia and it's sunni clerics are the authority on Salfasim
so it has to be by them.
it can be a fatwa from a verififiable website where they usually issue it, a video recording (not a cut part where things can be cut out of context), a lecture, book, a publication, any fatwa, etc...
you get the idea.
Honestly, there are rules with in all branches off islam about verifying sources, as a "ten year" expert you should have known
>>73137819
Sounds like BS and there's 0 proof of any planes flying around there.
Why would Russia/Assad bomb a fucking refugee camp near Turkish border?
>>73139676
>>73140313
Not ten years of dedicated study, but just keeping a general interest in the cause of Islamic terrorism and through all of this time, you read the same thing over and over again, and you don't even realize that you've never read the footnotes and read the source material.
For example, look at this. I read it years ago.
>Salafism is a very diversified and complicated ideologically and religiously motivated trend and is
thus not constructed by one unified discourse or group or authority. As a rule, all Wahhabis are
salafists, but not all salafists are Wahhabis
From here
http://conflictsforum.org/briefings/Wahhabism-Salafism-and-Islamism.pdf
I mean, I remember that quote and I remember the source, so that's an example of what I mean by "ten years of reading". This wasn't even written ten years ago, but close to it.
It goes into great detail about how Salafism is the opposite of Wahhabism.
Now people are telling me they're the same thing and making my fucking mind melt.
Is it wrong that they're different?
I'm really starting to think so.
>>73140867
I don't think they would, I want to know who done it though.
>>73140725
Since wahabi literally means follower Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab, it can be anything these saudi salafi clerics say to discredit him (Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab), also.
Here you go, another potential source, all you have to do is show us now.
>>73141070
Honestly? Suicide bombing or Nusrat shelling until proven otherwise.
We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Russia/Assad had absolutely, completely no reason to bomb the camp and Ivans know who's flying in and out of Syria, so no false flag is possible.
My bet is that there wasn't even a plane there.
>>73141103
>>73140725
Dude, fuck it, I give up, I've always read they're different, one is based on the sunnah, one is steeped in interpreting the Quran in with a literal interpretation which was alien to the Muslim world at that time.
It's just what I read over a long period of time, if I read the same thing from different sources over the course of ten years and they were all wrong, then I apologize.
I'm actually feeling like I'm insane, not going to lie.
>>73141346
Now I feel bad, we broke him
>>73099373
Does this mean the Ottomans have finally won?
>>73099795
See for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b0hFIf4Zaw
>>73140925
let me clarify, the source you provided:
a) the guy is a professor at an american university, not a cleric, not even a salafist or wahabist himself
>do I even need to say more
b) what he mentions is basically is that the concept, although started by ibn al-taimiyah earlier, he is teaching were reinforced by Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab later, not diverge, hence why ibn taimiya is also a figure that his religious work is considered an authority among any who call themselves salafists (or wahabist), so your source proves nothing!
Now I hope you understand, that salafists(=wahabists) all view both ibn taimiya and Abdu;l alwahab as authorities on islamic matters.
Just that ibn-altaimiya's work was revived by abdu-wahab, I think this might have confused you.
Next time don't be stubborn and pretend to be an expert please.
>>73142357
PS: before any of you get any ideas.
Not a single person accept the views of Ibn taimiya while rejecting those of Abdul wahab (since he didnt actually introduce any, just revived thise of ibn taimiya), since that would be a contradiction.
Again, try to find a single cleric from any islamic branch who said that and you'll end up with a headache for searching fruitlessly for how ever it takes,
>>73142357
>Next time don't be stubborn and pretend to be an expert please.
I said you wouldn't be satisfied with anything I could say combed from over ten years of reading about the topic which is the origin of our current wave of Islamic terrorism, unless that's wrong, too, which it probably is, I'm starting to not trust anything I've ever read now. I never said I was an expert, I just said I've read a lot about it and you wouldn't like the random shit I remember from various sources.
>>73142357
>the guy is a professor at an american university, not a cleric, not even a salafist or wahabist himself
The man has a doctorate in Islamic political history, I can't trust what he says? I probably can't, I'm still not even sure about what you're telling me. My mind is melting by how insistent you are that I can't trust what I read by people educated on the topic.
>>73143170
>man has a doctorate in Islamic political history
LOL, absolutly not.
These are like outside observers and hold not a single shred of authority within islam.
>>73143598
>These are like outside observers and hold not a single shred of authority within islam.
They don't need to hold nor wield authority within Islam to study it and explain it to the outside world. I read material by, what I assume, are educated individuals and base my opinion on their research and their study of the topic.
Is that wrong? Am I wrong? What should I do instead? Convert to Islam and infiltrate the inner world of their clergy?
I'd rather just read a good book written by a person who knows what they're talking about.
But you're insisting they don't know what they're talking about which is what is really upsetting me.
>>73143170
LOL, if you read your own soure again you would find he published:
>The Islamic Quest for Democracy,
Pluralism, and Human Rights: From Classical and Medieval Roots to Modern Discourses
So much for Islamic fundamentalism, this goes against it!
If you really want to learn what you describe as salafi (Ibn al-taimiya teachings), and wahabism (Muhammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab teachings), then read their own work themselves, and judge if there is any difference or misalignment yourself
If you aren't going to bother with that, then don't bother claiming to know the difference yourself, and just let the whole thing go!
>>73143939
Is that wrong? Am I wrong? What should I do instead? Convert to Islam and infiltrate the inner world of their clergy?
Read >>73144340
The works of all islamic authorities are availavble for all to read and see.
>>73110560
the YPG have no sway over the PKK, they have a close relationship, I'll grant you, but they are different ideologically and as organizations, they YPG is wary to sell out the PKK because from the start you guys have said the YPG are terrorists/PKK in disguise and have threatened to invade syria basically exclusively to defeat them as well as hit them with artillery, if you could stop telling them you're about to destroy them maybe they wouldn't feel like they need to be friends with their friendly neighborhood guerilla fighters, they're ideology has actually changed basically because of you, you guys went on about how you wouldn't allow a syrian kurdistan so they have basically shifted to a democratic rebel faction in hopes of finding some sort of victory at the end of this
>>73139794
>I never wanted to convert.
But you did anyway, in the end, right?
>>73140563
>You just blindly follow what a community of people were telling you without verifying if it was true or not?
You're asking a bit much from a paid shill. Remember that the Saudis pay good money to improve their image in the West....
>>73144633
>>73144340
All you really have to do is read pages 3 through 5, I never intended for you to read the entire thing, and referencing a book he wrote which is unrelated to the topic is disingenuous.
Just skim through those pages and tell me where he's wrong.
For example, is this wrong?
>It is important to emphasize that Wahhabis have differentiated themselves from other Muslims -- and even other salafists -- in their understanding of an unorthodox, literal understanding of God’s attributes by saying Allah has human attributes
There is no difference?
I'm struggling to understand why "All Wahabis are Salafis, but not all Salafis are Wahabis" is an incorrect statement. You've literally stunned me beyond belief.
>>73145682
Why the fuck nobody ever employs me as a paid shill.
I'd be good at it.
>>73145852
work for these cunts for a bit so you can claim "experience":
>>>thejidf.org
Then google "get paid to post online".
Or just google
>>73145705
It is important to emphasize that Wahhabis have differentiated themselves from other Muslims -- and even other salafists -- in their understanding of an unorthodox, literal understanding of God’s attributes by saying Allah has human attributes.
yes this is completely, wrong, he pulled it out of his ass.
>God’s attributes by saying Allah has human attributes
That's describing mu'tazilah, not wahabists (or salafists).
Mu'tazila (المعتزلة ) are not even even considered muslims by any sunni branch
Sure they took a verse literally (the mu'tazila, not wahabists) when it is said the Allah sat on the throne, and said that it meant that God had a human form.
The wahabists never accepted that (the idea of literal understandment of quran by wahabists is misconstrued, as there is something called tafsir, and by literal it means they only accept the original tafsir Al-salaf al-salih, including ibn-taimiyah, not literal literal)
man that author is an idiot!
>>73146741
i meant to greentext and qoute >>73145705
in the first line, it's not what I'm saying.
>>73099018
>Stay Comfy
Y-you too, Leaf, stay comfy
Rest In Peace brother
What are your thoughts on https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar?
>>73145705
>All Wahabis are Salafis, but not all Salafis are Wahabis
I never said that, and I wrote >>73143165 specifically to stop you from getting that kind of idea
All wahabis = Salafis, and vice versa!
>>73099373
what WHAT THE FUCK IS HE OK?
WHO'S GOING TO LEAD TURKEY??
>>73147293
Did those faggots ever find out that we helped direct a bombing mission?
In answer to your question they are all faggots
>believed and some still believe in the moderate beheader meme
>anti-putin
>anti-assad
>typical reddit way of discussion ie pseudo-intellectual bullshit with leftist narrative
hello
what do you do in these threadsz?
>>73148698
We listen to lectures on different sects of islam and pretend the war didn't become boring as shit lately.
>>73148698
watch and discuss
argue about islam
meme battle with turks
>>73147293
They tend to be retarded. Even moreso than /k/.
In this conflict, they tend to be: anti -Assad, anti-Russia, pro-FSA, pro-USA, pro-refugee, and god forbid you disagree or aren't a cuck like them.
>>73149417
I took a look and read some of their threads and they have their heads stuck farther up their asses than I thought
I really want Assad to win to harvest their tears
>"Footage shows airstrike hitting Kamouna refugee camp as rescuers try to help survivors of previous attack."
>https://twitter.com/Markie_Trilll/status/728362441755615232
However, to my ear, it sounds like incoming artillery, an airstrike sounds VERY different (yes, Ive heard real airstrikes).
Also, explosion is about a 105mm or 122mm shell burst in size, and FAR too small for even a 100kg bomb.
>>73150214
Hence my take is that it was shelling and not an airstrike, as actors with an air force have no reason to bomb a refugee camp or no means to do a proper false flag thanks to Russian surveillance.
>>73148066
No, I said that, not you. I know your point, but you're not addressing my point, which is the interpretation of the Quran which is attributed to the Wahabist tradition of a literal interpretation which you pinned on Mutazilites which don't even exist anymore. Or do they? And if so, where?
Let me ask you something: The most respected authority on mainstream Sunni Islam is Al-Azhar University in Egypt and they distinguish between Salafism and Wahabism and decry both of them as being "satanic" and "blasphemous"
First, why make the distinction? And second, why decry them both as satanic and blasphemous?
The obvious answer is that they're Egypt, they're not Saudi Arabia, but before King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia died, he accosted the clerics for not doing enough to combat extremism in his country and accused them of encouraging terrorism.
So, two questions: 1. Why does the highest Sunni authority in mainstream Islam make the distinction? (even though they're both accused of being blasphemous and satanic) and 2. Why does the ruler of this kingdom founded on this strain of Islam accost his own clerics of not doing enough to fight extremism which stems from the Islam which they themselves practice?
>>73150444
It is painfully obvious in the video that there is no plane- there are no plane noises, even when the cameraman is not snackbaring.
No, this was likely shelling by the moderates or a suicide bomber.
>>73102872
They're supposed to shave their moustaches
>>73150807
heads of Alazhar will say anything their leaders command, they endorse sisi because they are his puppet, even though they overthrew the muslim brotherhood (sunni, not salafi).
Alazhar is giving out some hillarious fatwas now days, they are a joke among most sunnis.
and incase you haven't realised there is a clash between "moderates" and "fundamentalists".
Honestly, even saudi clerics bow down to their masters, ie the Al-saud (which are in turn america's puppets), which brings us full circle.
>>73150807
I have to go to work now, so I can't answer more questions.
>>73149242
MEMES BACK ON THE THREAD BOYS
>>73125858
Saved
>>73151628
>they are a joke among most sunnis.
So I'm wrong again.
Fuck it, and I really mean fuck it, I give up. Nothing I read is accurate or correct on the topic of Islam.
>>73155148
THAT LOOKS LIKE THE PLACE YOU FIGHT QUIET IN MGS5 PHANTOM PAIN
Ayyy yo. First time posting in this general.
How close are we to winning the war?
>>73156409
nobody is close
assad has been on the upswing but its looking like that's come to an end
What ever happened to those guys in yemen who were fighting off isis and the saudis?
