ETERNAL REMINDER that if you're part of the 99.999% who don't own private property you have no reason to not support going FULL COMMUNISM
ETERNAL REMINDER that capitalism relies on worker exploitation to survive, and it's beginning to quickly regress into feudalism (such as fracking companies forcibly seizing people's property in England)
ETERNAL REMINDER that Communism is the true beta uprising because Its about the overthrow of normie capitalism that normies thrive off of. Normies love social darwinism even though Darwin himself was against it and the survival of the fittest says that it's the ones who adapt the most to their environment, not the smartest or strongest who survive
ETERNAL REMINDER that capitalism has failed worse than communism ever has with all of the wealth going into the hands of a small elite and that small elite will do anything to use you as their slaves
>But communism failed before!
So did most slave rebellions, and so did most independent republics for thousands of years before the French Revolution.
>But I'll surely be rich in the future!
No you won't, the best you'll ever get is a middle-class life where you will still always be a wageslave and one paycheck away from poverty and homelessness.
>But muh calvanism, if people fail they're meant to!
Go live in a forest and fight for survival from predators much larger than you if you think that's what life should be about. Everything that is going to survive is cooperation, not competition. The winner's glory moment will be a pale memory in history.
>But Communism killed so many people!
Those people were going against the community. Maybe those fags should stop hogging the crop. Most of the people that the red army killed were people using slave labor.
Society > the individual
>>72055261
>inb4 "Communism has killed 100 billion trillion people!!"
>>72055261
It's not that Communism simply failed, it's that it failed spectacularly, with over 110 million victims, over and over throughout history, because it contradicts everything we know about democracy, Economics and human nature.
The very notion of giving the State absolute power over the life, property and liberty of its citizens (Socialism), in order to dismantle the State ("Communism"), is idiotic beyond belief.
The trap is obvious.
Your ideology has left economic ruin and human misery wherever it has existed, and is the socioeconomic equivalent of a cancer on the body politic.
End yourself.
I'm not necessarily against economic communism within a single country.
But communism also destroys culture, race, tradition and nation. Which I am against.
>>72055261
You're a disgrace to this country and should move to Cuba.
Here is my problem. What's so good about spreading the wealth out. What's so great about being "wealthy." Why do Commies think that if a minority of people are lower class/actually poor then everyone should be that way? You can't spread wealth far enough for everyone to be upper middle or so class. Not when everyone is not equal which is reality. I'd rather be poor in america and work than live in a "equal" communists society.
>>72055261
what is HDI? Oh, right that thing that tells us how fucking great capitalism has done.
Interestingly enough no communist country has ever come close to providing to its cattle what capitalism has.
Only death follows mob rule. Kill yourself faggot. I mean that sincerely. Do it before i have too.
Believe me, i have no qualms about taking out the useless trash. (thats you)
>>72055261
>capitalism relies on worker exploitation to survive
No, it relies on a worker selling his labor to someone who provides the means with which to provide goods and services to the market. Nobody forces you to work in a capitalist system, same can't be said about communism.
>B-but muh surplus value
If you don't think you're being paid fairly, go work elsewhere.
There are places with communism OP, if you like it so much just move there.
I live in America and capitalism has worked just fine for me fampai.
>>72055261
>you have no reason to not support going FULL COMMUNISM
I mock you western cancerous communists who never had to experience the real deal.
>>72055261
But what if they like living paycheck to paycheck to pay off interest on loans for things they couldn't afford? What if they don't want state property?
>>72059731
what if i don't want to starve and queue up for breadlines?
go back to high school you commie cunt
>>72059823
It's always a fucking American or other sheltered westerner shithead spewing his communist diarrhea.
>>72055261
That's just not true. Because however shitty capitalism gets, I'm still my own private property.
Under communism, each and every one of us becomes state property--right down to our bodies. And don't think for one second the Earth Idolater Marxists aren't itching to murder 90% of us.
>>72055261
>ETERNAL REMINDER that capitalism has failed worse than communism ever has with all of the wealth going into the hands of a small elite and that small elite will do anything to use you as their slaves
oy vey such capitalist perversion! it's not at all the pursuit of profits that drive innovation and improve quality of life worldwide! god forbid a world with self-driving cars and MRI machines to exist
>>72059930
By the looks of your sentence, you haven't read a single word of Marx, Lenin, Engels, Stalin, et cetera.
Please, if you are going to try to debate something... do a little bit of research to have the slightest grasp on the topic you are attacking.
>>72060095
Who is to say that those things couldn't be created under communism?
>>72059823
YOU KEKY CUNT IM MAKING FUN OF COMMUNISM
Communism as in socialism as in centralized economy simply doesn't work.
PREACH IT
This board is full of brainwashed class-traitors.
>>72055261
All that typing, and it's worthless.
Yes, i do have a reason to support capitalism. It isn't what you describe it to be here, for one, since you're describing corporatism. Two, if America were truly capitalist everyone would be living exponentially better than they are now.
You're misrepresenting capitalism here, which is all the proof anyone needs that you're ignorant and full of shit.
>>72060632
>It's not true capitalism
>All we need is even less regulations, the free market will fix it!
>>>72059930
>>72059458
>americans don't understand that capitalist goal is a more dangerous form of hyper-communism
>>72060753
It isn't. It's exploited capitalism, which isn't capitalism. Be mad about it all you want it's still true.
>>72060753
>It's not true communism
>It'll work this time guys, I swear!
2 can play that game, comrade.
>>72060466
Neither Socialism nor Communism entail a centralized economy. Socialism is where the workers own the means of production, there is not necessarily a government to centralize or plan it all. In Communism, there is no state to centralize it all.
TL;DR
Centralized economies are not a tenet of Socialism or Communism, proving your argument invalid.
>>72060410
you dum shitkunt you sounded like a commie
think before you type ameriburger
>>72059930
>Under communism, each and every one of us becomes state property--right down to our bodies. And don't think for one second the Earth Idolater Marxists aren't itching to murder 90% of us.
Is this what they teach in America?
>>72061093
>communism is good
is this what they teach in the uk other than how to be a race traitor?
>>72060632
I don't think you understand Corporatism
> theory of economic corporatism involved management of sectors of the economy by government or privately controlled organizations (corporations). Each trade union or employer corporation would, theoretically, represent its professional concerns, especially by negotiation of labour contracts and the like. This method, it was theorized, could result in harmony amongst social classes. Authors have noted, however, that de facto economic corporatism was also used to reduce opposition and reward political loyalty.
While America certainly does like to bail out its businesses, it certainly isn't corporatist.
>>72055261
Except for you know a strong sense of morals and a sense for reality
>>72055261
>you'll never be rich in the future
Lol I'm already on the path with the two different. Business i started. Know why you're poor? You don't take take risks, you're afraid to fail, and you don't believe in yourself. I'll see you the day of the rope nu-male
>>72060861
>I have not read das """"k"""""apital the post
At least change the name. I'm a libertarian but please if you are going to shit on das kapital shit on it properly. Most people think its a how to communism 101 manual.
Yet %95 of the book is not about communism but (surprise) about Capitalism. Its an examination both 19th and previous centuries economic activity.
Marx is very very vauge about the solutions in Das Kapital it can be boiled down to "eventually capitalism will fail" with no explanation of how to establish communism etc.
For that read his other works or better read Lenin.
But most of you never read your own ideologists work let alone those from the opposite side of the spectrum.
>>72060935
>Says America is "Exploited Capitalism."
>Says America isn't Capitalist.
How do you exploit the system that isn't even in place?
>>72060267
definitely not as fast
innovation thrives under competition: it requires not only concentration of capital (either by oligopolies or a central government), but also the motivating factor to take the investment risk, which under capitalist economies is the extraordinary profits that stem from dominating a market for XX years until competition catches up or patents expire
innovation under planned economies happens at a much slower pace because profit is never a motivation of the government, instead it is redistribution of wealth, so it happens mostly to fix or satiate already present needs/problems instead of being future oriented, it's the embodiment of the lower classes that think "why spend money getting to the moon when we still have hunger to solve here on Earth"
but don't fret son, communism will eventually come, when robots dominate all the supply chains and economic cycles last longer than a human generation due to new industries like asteroid mining, then and only then citizen income will become inevitable
>>72061294
nigger i just named it that so i could remember what image it was
>>72056120
based post being ignored
>>72061430
kek touche. just ignore my roachposting then.
Had a guy who said he read kapital in 3 days and refuted everything in it a while back. Probably still bitter. They make libertarians look like idiots tbqh.
>>72061222
Really? Who pays to elect officials based on their interests, and tends to get what they want all the time? Who is involved with economic legislation at a level that actually allows them to help write it in many cases?
Our country is run by corporations and special interest groups (including unions) today. I think corporatism describes it perfectly.
>>72060948
The thing about it is this. No communist party run state was "true communist" because is stateless as thus far totally theoretical. The USSR and such however were/are socialist states based (to varying degrees) on Lenin's ideas. Those are not the only forms of socialism, just as capitalism in the USA and capitalism in the Ivory Coast are different.
The thing is imperialist capitalist powers and the capitalist third world need each other. Wherever you have well developed industrialized countries they need exploition in the third world to be sustained. Whenever you say "My life is great, capitalism just werks" it works because of the absolutely ridiculous conditions workers live in to harvest the resources that consumption demands.
Capitalism in itself does not guarantee great qualities of life, imperialism that follows from capitalism allows for great qualities of life to be sustained.
>>72061186
No, state education here is absolutely shilled.
>>72055261
>99.999% who don't own private property
are you retarded
>>72061367
Exploited capitalism negates the entire foundation of Capitalism. America isn't capitalist, it used to be.
>>72056120
Fuckin noice
>>72061003
Communism is the goal.
Socialism is the means.
Marx gave a good analysis of capitalism (this part bought you, as it bought most commies), but his ideas on what to do are absolutely retarded.
Free enterprise and private property are human rights, and these rights should only be limited if interests of society as whole demand it.
Those limitations must be exception, not rule.
Extreme individualism and extreme collectivism simply don't work.
Also, communism as a concept is totally irrelevant. If we ever reach that stage, it will occur as a product of natural societal evolution, and progress in technology.
Eat lead you fucking red
>>72061705
Back in le good old days, right?
>>72061877
>>72061788
>Free enterprise and private property are human rights,
>people in this day in age are debating that anything other than capitalism will work
Fuciing fags. If you weren't spineless pussies you'd do well in a capitalist society. The only people who hate capitalism are just fags, sjw's, and whatever fucking shithole the left crawled out of. It won't work period. Fuck off you niggers
Communist hate thread?
>>72061943
Quality reply.
>>72061480
>>72061735
His post is being ignored because it's ridiculous.
I can speak for Yugoslavia, Tito certainly didn't murder 500,000 people, even if you count Germans and Italians who were ethnically cleansed in the aftermath of WW2.
2 million is a pure fantasy, I never ever heard of that number, not even ultra-radical Serbian and Croatian nationalists and Hitler lovers ever mentioned that number.
Obvious bait thread.. OP, go back to Cuba.
ITT
>>72062094
for a quality post :^)
Communism is a soulless, materialistic, system, as destructive as capitalism. Both destroy traditions and nationalism in favour of some god awful homogeneous world. In the communist sense, the faceless international proletariat, in the capitalist, sense, the multinational corporation and consumer. Both ideologies are fundamentally alien to the spirit of man.
I'm not concerned with wealth. It's amusing how often lefties and corporations coincide. Probably because both have the same fundamental worldview - that wealth, status and productivity are the only things that matter.
>western communists
>>72061788
Nicely said, Sir. We should not attempt to leap straight to communism. Otherwise we'll fall on a "Attempted" Communism like Stalin's communism. Instead we gotta progress it slowly by a slow socialism,
Is my Resume correct?
>>72062137
Rollin breh
>>72062114
>a whole post of argumentation
>focusing on just the image
Noice.
>>72061409
See, not everything has to be owned by the state under Socialism or Communism.
When the workers own the means of production, it is Socialism. Who is to say that two worker controlled businesses couldn't duke it out in economic competition?
>>72062187
>Communism is a soulless, materialistic, system, as destructive as capitalism.
I'll just correct you, as destructive as neoliberal capitalism, but well put.
Capitalism as well as socialism is a vague term. It can mean many things.
Capitalism in it's essence is nothing bad, depends what kind of capitalism are we talking about. Same with socialism.
>>72062137
thanks family
I hope Fidel outlives the queen.
I own land from having it passed down but I agree with a lot of things in communism.
>>72055261
>99.999â„… who don't own personal property
u wot m8
>>72062137
Rerolling ffs
>>72061688
"Private" Property meaning the means of production. (i.e. factory, office, any workplace)
"Personal" Property is your car, house, food, water, et cetera.
>>72062331
>Who is to say that two worker controlled businesses couldn't duke it out in economic competition?
Plenty of anti-communist Catholics advocate that. Of course, the problem with socialism/communism is the levelling tendency, a remnant of the French Revolution and the ideological mess it spawned. And yes, I'm aware of market socialism, but it has the same inherent issues as any other socialist socio-economic system.
>>72061788
YES
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THANK YOU
I JUST COMPLETED THE BALKANS
>>72062558
That's not what he said, he said "private property".
>>72055261
Communism is judaism.
>>72055261
>99.999% of people don't own private property.
You heard it here, folks.
>>72062331
>When the workers own the means of production
Then they get taken away by the state "for the good" of the state and the people. You can't stop it, it always happens.
It keeps happening, but you complete and total retards want to try it again because you have mental deficiencies and you're on the lower rungs of society and you hate everyone else above you.
>>72055261
>implying a true communist revolution would be kind to the middle class edgy college students supporting it today
lmao those faggots would be the first to have their shit redistributed to some poor rednecks (who they fucking hate)
>>72062114
Democide isn't just murders by the government, it's also negligence and effects of policy etc. That doesn't mean 500k people were shot/hung, just that the defining characteristic was related to the government's decision/intervention
>>72062137
It's definitely bait. No one actually endorses communism in CURRENT YEAR.
>>72061862
That's a nice rhyme, I gotta use that
>>72062614
point still stands, achmed
>>72061705
cap·i·tal·ism
/ˈkapədlˌizəm/
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
That is the current state of America. What are your arguments proving this point?
>>72059930
You're ready property of the state considering the state tells you what you legally can and cannot put into your body, when you can be called up to go to war, when you can be removed from your property for not paying aforementioned state, etc.
There is no freedom, and there never will be. It is an illusion so you remain complacent in your "freedom" whilst still being enslaved with a few privileges granted to you by your masters.
>>72062288
I have no problems with your statement because there's nothing wrong with communism. Communism is literally utopia.
But that's exactly why I believe that it's irrelevant. You can't really work towards it, because no one knows how to achieve it.
Everyone who says he does is a liar, or just didn't think this through.
In a way, name ''communism'' is how they sell the product, it's like calling Christianity ''heavenism''.
>>72062689
You know, you could stop it by limiting state power as much as possible.
For some reason class-traitors have gotten it into their heads that everyone in every communist party ever is a greedy psychopath that can't wait to nationalize all the property everywhere world wide. Yet never seem to wonder how their capitalist governments have survived for so long without one of these legendary maniacs getting into power and nationalizing everything.
>>72062741
Personal property isn't private property.
You're toothbrush is personal property. The houses of absentee landlords that they use for profit are private property.
>>72055261
Communism left us 40 years behind the world, the literally only positive thing it gave us is experience that West lacks, that's why Western Europe goes full EU(SSR) while V4 is considered 'intolerant', I have reason to not like communism, I don't like to rob people and don't like to be robbed, it would work with some AI lording over it, but as long as there's at least one (wo)man deciding things it will never, ever work.
>>72061862
Please state a valid argument.
>allowing the state to cuck your freedom
Why?
>>72056120
/Thread
Also OP BTFO beyond belief.
>>72062712
I am aware of that and no, he didn't kill or cause death of 500,000 people, let alone 2 million, unless they were counting emigration as democide.
126 million for USSR is also pure fantasy.
>>72063075
>Allowing the bourgeois to cuck every aspect of your life
Why do you do this to yourself?
>>72063042
If I was interested in you opening your mouth commie I'd open my fly.
>>72062331
>Who is to say that two worker controlled businesses couldn't duke it out in economic competition?
why do they need socialism (as in the state-mandated abolition of private property) to do that? If it's because they can't compete with capitalist businesses in a free market, then it's obvious that the system will be too inefficient on a national level to compete with capitalist countries.
>>72063224
>Class traitor "reasoning".
The b8 is strong with this one...
>>72055261
I actually have a very good reason. I don't enjoy standing in long lines. I especially hate standing in long lines while I am hungry. Why would I want to support an ideology that is going to lead to me standing in a line, while hungry, for a crust of bread?
>>72061788
>Free enterprise and private property are human rights
I have never seen anything every stating these as human rights.
>...and extreme collectivism simply don't work.
Please elaborate. You have given no argument for this.
This entire post has not brought anything to the table, debate wise.
>>72056120
Sure helped those workers.
>>72062577
It's still fucking retarded. Both of my parents have their own businesses with 2-3 employee each, and we are not even upper middle class. Even the t*rks manage to open up shops and small businesses en masse here.
>>72061963
You really haven't stated anything of value in this post.
>>72062137
lit
>>72062148
I am a communist, and honestly, I don't see myself as a member of the party if I lived in that system. I would probably work as a school teacher or perhaps a professor, something in the education field. While some communists, truly the minority, see themselves as members of the party most of us just see ourselves as the "Average Joe."
>>72062331
I live in Brazil. I know how this shit works in practice. Private companies can innovate (Embraer) or stagnate (many banks). State companies are able to innovate (Petrobras) or stagnate (old telecoms). This shows that innovation is strongly influenced by individual managerial behavior (risk taking executives) and the company culture itself. The fact is in this day and age both private and state owned companies are driven by profit, so capital configuration doesn't matter. Decision making and power structures, however, do, and those are extremely different in "worker controlled businesses".
We have "worker controlled businesses" here in Brazil, and they are restricted to agriculture (cooperatives) or very low-tech manufacturing (like stoves). In agriculture, innovation is supported by a state owned crop engineering company; regarding stoves, there isn't much innovation going on, so it's just a matter of keeping the production line going. These types of companies are not apt for innovation because decision making is democratic / descentralized, and psychology shows most people are risk averse.
Such companies would resist innovation until it's too late, until it can't compete any more in a free market or it is acquired by another company with a traditional power structure. If it doesn't and there is someone on top of the chain forcibly putting money towards R&D despite worker's consensus, then he either 1) would be removed from power soon as it would directly impact worker's wages or 2) he's a incredibly charismatic person and it wouldn't be long until he is cutting wages and making workers go overtime, so it becomes no different than other companies.
>>72063347
Extreme collectivism destroy individual and extreme individualism destroys the collective.
Humans in general are both individualist and collectivist, and there's a need to balance these interests.
>Please elaborate
I don't really have to, you can draw on rich experience from collectivist societies, for example USSR, Nazi Germany, or various cults.
I'll just point out to extreme potential for abuse. Because even in collectivist society, there are individuals on top.
>I have never seen anything every stating these as human rights.
US Constitution?
>>72062187
>Destroy Traditions and Nationalism
Stalin was a nationalist.
Fidel and Che were nationalists.
Hoxha was a nationalist.
Mao was a nationalist.
Most of these people, excluded maybe Mao, kept quite a few of their nation's traditions as well.
>>72062841
Mixed economy, as government does have a say in what goes on.
>>72063838
>self-proclaimed communist
>I want to teach
>"Average Joe"
Stop. You are what is known as a "Useful Idiot".
>>72063153
Bureacrats are worse than the bourgeois in my honest opinion family
>>72064367
Yes, which is why the state is also the enemy.
>>72056120
Nice meme fags. Can't wait for all the transgenders and faggots on the wall. Beta revolution? Nigga please, Stalin was no beta cuck.
Western Jewish propaganda against Soviet Union should stop, fuck you beta Jewish fags, all capitalist work for Jew banks and to make Jew wealthy.
The more wealthy you get the more th Jew takes and the more quickly white genocide is complete.
Fuck you capitalist faggots.
>>72064442
Well family, until you fimd out how to implement communism without giving the state complete and utter power, let me know. Because no way in Hell are they just going to give back all that power with out fighting tooth and nail.
>>72062137
Rolling.
>>72064071
Were they? I believe they were only "nationalist" in regards to communist nations.
>most famous communist song is the internationale
>workers of all countries, unite!
>socialist world republic
>basically all socialist/ communist countries tried to spread their ideology to other countries
>>72064543
>Tankies
Literally stormfag tier.
>>72064715
That's because Stalin was like streamlined Hitler.
>>72064442
You think libertarian faggots will get rid of the Jews, niggers, spics? Only country to accomplish a relocation like that was based Stalin.
Time for the wall faggots, choo choo. SJW and BLM gonna lead The revolution until more radicals communists take over and murder those useful idiots.
Choo chooo all aboard.
>>72064543
>Stalin wasn't a beta cuck
>>72064629
It's already been figured out tbqh.
Of course liberal pseudo-socialists like Bernie killed that dream.
>>72055261
Well I own private property in AK and live off the land so...
There are ways to truly own land in America if you understand the laws.
>>72060753
Omg a kid actually holding a broom working with other children his age instead of sitting on a mindless video game wasting his life?!?!? OMG the child abuse!! the humanity!!! How horrible.
>>72064834
No because I'm not a racist.
Anoda shoah is not exactly an appealing reason to be an authoritarian stooge.
>>72064841
Stalin murdered snitches, faggots, sjw Trotsky. Oh yeah, and Jews.
Burn mother fuckers, Stalin based as fuck.
>>72064990
>Actually defending child labour.
Ideally he should be in school learning how to improve his life. Not starting work at such a young age with literally 0 chance of improving his position in life.
>>72055261
I own private property. Kill yourself, I'm not reading the rest.
>>72055261
The Bolshevik revolution was funded by a banker. They received about $1,000,000. The revolution was just to make it easier for the international bankers to control Russia's finances. All the property wasn't rally owned by the state but really the internationalist banks. Communism is Capitalism.
>>72055261
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Scarcity problem faggot
>>72056120
>It's not that Communism simply failed, it's that it failed spectacularly, with over 110 million victims, over and over throughout history, because it contradicts everything we know about democracy, Economics and human nature.
If the working class control the government, or the government represents the working class to the proletariat's liking, it is democratic.
While virtually almost every other nation in the world was going through economic depressions in the 20s-30s, the Soviet Union was just fine and continued to increase its productivity.
>The very notion of giving the State absolute power over the life, property and liberty of its citizens (Socialism), in order to dismantle the State ("Communism"), is idiotic beyond belief.
The trap is obvious.
See, no Marxist work says that the State should have absolute power over life.
Also, Socialism is when the workers own the means of production NOT WHEN THE STATE HAS ABSOLUTE POWER.
While dismantling the "Central State" is a tenet of communism, individual communes are still to govern themselves.
>Your ideology has left economic ruin and human misery wherever it has existed, and is the socioeconomic equivalent of a cancer on the body politic.
Under a socialist economy, many nations flourished much past what they once were.
Cuba has an amazing healthcare system that is praised by the WHO.
>>72064999
Well, fuck you lazy nigger, if you don't work that's now illegal in Soviet Union 2.0. You will learn to work or will deported to another nigger country or land like the Yukon where you will never return from.
Choo
Choo faggot, propaganda train leaving for Siberia soon.
>>72065151
Do you pay taxes on your property or land?
Then you don't own it goy.
>>72065124
His parents decided this was a better decision for their child. Who are you to tell them how they should raise their kid?
>>72063838
>advocates for Communism
>wants to serve a limp-wristed, no-labor job while everybody else is slaving away in the mines
why am I not surprised. Marxists need to be thrown out of helicopters
>>72065153
Shit, I meant $1,000,000,000
>>72065211
>I'm not a racist.
>HA THEN U R A LAZY NIGGER
Dude, why don't you just be a fascist?
>>72065211
You should've understood by now he's anarcho-communist.
>>72065196
How many faggots and Jews died or were suppressed?
Did Soviet Union have SJW or cultural Marxism? Spoiler alert no it didn't.
What current countries are most based and homogenous? Former communist countries.
Sounds like a great success.
>>72065243
Does this mean nobody owns anything except for the state? Basically every state on earth is socialist? The more you know.
>>72065258
If making your child work for next to nothing is a better option than going to school (assuming it is an option) then they must be living in some absolutely destitute conditions.
Hence why we need socialism, so this doesn't happen anywhere in the world.
>>>/trash/
>>72065196
That doesn't change the fact that it will lead to genocide. Communism anti-religious. That would mean killing off millions of people around the world.
>>72065347
Anarcho communists are faggots, and they can work in the kolhoz. No problems.
Soviet communism is national communism, a nationalist movement first.
>>72065347
I'm not, I'm a Luxemburgist.
>>72055261
>average leftist brat
>>72065473
??? So? You kill some niggers who don't want to contribute to society or plot against the revolution?
I'm ok with that.
>>72065398
No.
In America you can own land and not pay taxes on it.
Most people just don't know how to do it and its a difficult process. In some areas its nearly impossible to do.
>>72055261
>not enjoying the opportunity to work in something that interrests you.
I am not a good example myself but those that use their pottential well live great lives in capitalism, whereas communism is hell.
>>72055261
>To avoid being a serf in a feudal society I will abdicate all private ownership rights to a faceless political class who will surely operate in my best interest.
>>72065613
Capitalism is a Jewish pyramid scheme.
It's like playing at the casino you will always lose eventually.
>>72065444
Yeah, because socialism is known to lead to prosperity. Why didn't noone ever get shot trying to cross the german wall from the west to the east, I wonder?
>>72065124
Oh you think everybody should go to school to learn how to improve their life? Why do you think jobs like the one that kid is doing deserve a "living wage" then?
>>72065693
Better than child molestation by allowing immigrants into your country and genociding yourself by cucking to niggers.
>>72062579
The CNT and Yugoslavia used Market Socialism and they were fine.
The CNT was ended by a larger military force attacking it.
Yugoslavia was ended by ethnic tensions.
Neither fell due to their economic systems.
I would say it works fine.
>>72065571
You still pay taxes on you business and private property, and so do the rich.
>>72065693
Say what you will about the Eastern Bloc. But the opportunity for children to go to school was very well supported.
>>72065258
His parents don't get to decide that. Elementary schooling is law-mandated, and there is a minimum age for working.
>>72065486
Tankie please.
>>72065509
What's that?
>>72055261
Communists supported petty thievery, rape, and murder as a means to revolution. Their leaders are more devoutly for it. Communism is just putting common criminals in charge of an army. Communist groups supported Charles Manson and Jim Jones. Those are the type of leaders that end up leading your movement. The state. won't be dismantled.
>>72065769
But it's the leftists shilling for immogrants, so I don't get your point.
>>72065711
Actually I don't, I think places like the one where the kid is working should be run by the workers with the ability to regulate their own pay based on what they produce.
>>72065791
Yugoslavia was ruined by western Jewish bankers who wanted to destroy the country and seize It's assets, hence they pushed based Serbians to war and false accusation.>>72065901
>>72065901
None of that shit happened in the Soviet Union, those people are progressives not communists.
>>72065791
>and they were fine
Not really, there were big economic problems in 80's, but that was tied with incompetent leadership.
Also, Tito devised a funny way of dealing with unemployment, namely he sent people to Germany for work, and they sent money here.
It wasn't a perfect system, far from it. Wouldn't recommend.
>>72065879
It's democratic socialism. That is socialism with free speech, democracy, and so forth. What it is not is liberal compromise called democratic """""socialism""""" like Bernie or Tony Blair would love. It was the ideology of the Spartacus league in the German communist revolution who split from what is now the absolutely Bernie-tier SPD. Named for prominent Marxist writer Rosa Luxemburg.
>>72055261
>99.999% who don't own private property
Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?
>No you won't, the best you'll ever get is a middle-class life
Your inadequacies are your own. My family has gone from poor to rich to poor to rich to poor across successive generations.
>Those people were going against the community
This is edgier than some of the nazi shit on here. Congradulations.
>>72062137
pls give me a good waifu
>>72065979
The soviet union was a multi-ethnic state, the peoples of the eastern bloc referred to each other as brothers and tried to bond them closer together. The GDR also recieved "guest workers" from other socialist states. And the commies back then dreamed of a global communist state.
>>72066215
People don't own the property, it belongs to Jewish banks and Jew ran government. You only have a semblance of ownership.
>>72063251
They need socialism because otherwise the workers are being exploited by the bourgeoisie.
>>72065979
It's Marxist ideology being applied to religion and race, in addition to economics. Different results because of different fields, but the root problem is the same.
>>72064071
They were not nationalist in the tradtional sense. Their nationalism was rooted in class warfare and "prolekult" and tore up old social norms almost immediately upon taking power (see Lenin legalising homosexuality, divorce and abortion, to deliberately weaken the family unit). National pride was looked down upon, instead the worker took the place of the nation.
Of course, all communism is internationalist and globalist. Trotsky was ruthless in his promotion of "proletarian internationalism". Whatever nationalist pretensions they had were secondary. Stalin's policy was out of necessity to whip up support for the war and it markedly declined after his death. Hoxha is regarded as a complete joke even by most communists, more self-paranoia and aggrandisement than nationalism, given his period of rule and the ludicrous bunkers he built.
The Soviets played fast and loose with nationalities, which has led to the current mess in almost all post-Soviet states, with secession movements all over the place. Ultimately, proletarianism cannot replace the nation.
>>72056120
>It's not that Communism simply failed, it's that it failed spectacularly, with over 110 million victims, over and over
>throughout history, because it contradicts everything we know about democracy, Economics and human nature.
>The very notion of giving the State absolute power over the life, property and liberty of its citizens (Socialism), in order to dismantle the State ("Communism"), is idiotic beyond belief.
>The trap is obvious.
>Your ideology has left economic ruin and human misery wherever it has existed, and is the socioeconomic equivalent of a cancer on the body politic.
>End yourself.
This
Politely fuck off cancer, social marxism and equality is a false God.
>>72066274
I don't remember being able for churkas to simply walk across the boarder as they do today.
And you basically got slaves, everyone was equal as long as they stayed in their place. And some were more equal than others were.
MOVE TO RUSSIA BETA KEK COMMIE SCUM
>>72066157
She was a jew btw. Just like almost all other leaders of the german revolution, even though jews were just a tiny fraction of the total population.
>>72066391
Fascism failed quite spectacularly, 50 years before communism was broken by Jewish propaganda.
>>72066391
>false God
So is profit and money.
>>72066157
So it's basically left communism?
Yeah, that doesn't work, not even for a short period.
>>72066503
I know.
She was also totally based.
>>72066479
It's because nobody wanted to go there Tbh.
>>72063512
Fuck you I didn't need to. You should have learned in school it doesn't work
>>72055261
ETERNAL REMINDER that you commie faggots will always pretend that real communism has never been tried, so you'll shitpost this same junk daily as if you're going to somehow rewrite history.
Take a cyanide pill, it'll be the easiest way for you to cope.
>>72066371
No it's nonsense Jewish schills made up in Frankfurt to commit white genocide. Came from
The West
Not
From
Soviet Union
>>72064363
What do you mean by that?
I don't want to "teach communism," I want to teach higher level history.
Solidarity comrades!!
>>72065009
>>72055261
Eternal reminder that anyone intelligent enough to formulate an argument as to whether communism is good or bad is lined up against the wall and shot during the glorious revolution. That's reason enough to oppose it for me.
>>72066551
Franco made Spain a respectable industrial center and his socialist usurpers made it EuroMex.
>>72066609
No, she wasn't. Thankfully she got to cool off a little in the spree river :^)
>>72066610
You couldn't just go where ever the fuck you wanted.
>>72066571
But left communism [spoiler] has never been tried [/spoiler]
>>72064367
Most bureaucrats are bourgeois.
>>72066724
Spain has always and will always be a shit hole, that's not a real argument.
>>72066767
Sure it was. It's just that Bolsheviks shot them all.
>>72066748
Remember, lads. That's why you never, ever, trust liberals.
>>72060220
"Educate yourself" is not an argument you fuck stick.
>>72066759
The socialist states obviously secured their borders very well, but this was not because of the masses of people who tried to get in. As I said, I never heard of anyone who got shot trying to cross the border from the west to the east.
>>72066955
To be fair that's not a failing of the ideology. That's a failing of getting beaten in a war.
How people can still argue for communism in an age where world history and objective investigation of human prosperity under communism is really available is beyond me.
Pic related. Enjoy your suffering, commie idiots.
>>72062137
check em
god damn it feels good to have comrades!
Post every single day untill /pol/ is communist or atleast balanced politically like it's supposed to be.
>>72056120
Shit tier genetics desu. I think western people's (not Slavic untermensch) could actually give communism an interesting try and make it work. It's still a utopian ideology that misunderstands human nature, but the idea that it 'failed' on account of the 'millions of victims' is a lazy and fallacious argument.
>>72065924
That is smart, but you have to remember the free market lead to the industrial revolution and laid the foundation of a strong economy that led to the founding of the unions at least here in the U.S. I work a company and i'm in a union and I can tell you unions are almost exactly like a government, You basically need them for it to be fair but you have to keep their power limited and simple. If you don't it will lead to a complete collapse of the whole system which is what we see in the U.S. right now where we have workers working for half as much as other union workers but working on harder jobs with less benefits, vacation time, first to get laid off, more likely to get fired If they make a mistake, being a temporary employee for years with no vacation time no raises, no health benefits, the list goes on and on.
>>72066551
Indeed. In the end, there is only one position left, classical liberalism. Both Fascism and Communism failed because of their obsession with the collective over the individual.
>>72066687
You're a fucking idiot. It's the exact same principles, the view of one group of people being the oppressed, and one group of people being the oppressors. People are viewed as collectives, not as individuals. It is Marxism outside of economics. Yes, it is nonsense, because Marxism is itself nonsense. It's base principles rely on human beings having no individual agency. It didn't come directly from the soviet union, but it did come from Marxism.
>>72067171
It's only naive children who ironically prospered from capitalism that argue for communism.
>>72062137
rollingfjmnhblkjhkjhb
>>72065791
Yugoslavia was propped up from outside to as a neutral buffer. The self-management system was insanely dysfunctional from every account I've ever read, see >>72066024
Again Yugoslavia shows the failure of Marxism and its position on nationalism. You can't cram people together like sardines and expect them to work for some abstract proletarian ideal. It has no basis in reality.
I will admit I'm not familiar with the CNT, but I know the Spanish leftists tried to criminalise using money in many areas and killed thousands in the Red Terror.
>>72067467
> In the end, there is only one position left
>classical liberalism.
What?
There are more Juche countries in the world than there are classical liberal ones.
>>72067615
I know what your plans are "Mike"
related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYquuFjE0cc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYquuFjE0cc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYquuFjE0cc
>>72065151
Private Property is a factory, office, any workplace.
Personal Property is your car, home, food, water, et cetera.
>>72067670
Rather, the various forms of liberalism that formed from classical liberalism. The Americans won.
>>72065269
Let's see where you would be without teachers.
Now, let's take your statement from a reasonable approach.
>no-labor job
Actually, I am doing a service, which is labor.
>everybody else slaving in mines
You have to be kidding me, right? Other jobs exist in communism besides working in a mine.
It would be nice if you appreciated that some people want to better society.
If you are going to debate me, at least try.
>>72064071
yes traditions such as "starving Ukrainians to death" and "forcibly displaying ethnic Turks to Siberia" as well as "crippling endemic alcoholism."
>>72067911
Did they really though?
It's entirely possible that in our lifetimes China will become the foremost world power. And following this logic wouldn't you then have to accept Maoism as having "won".
>>72065473
Then why is the majority religion in Cuba Catholicism?
>>72055261
ETERNAL REMINDER that communism is a Jewish constuct
>>72068314
*construct
>>72055261
What do you define as private property?
>>72068314
>Fascists
>>72068348
The means of production.
>>72065815
Actually many rich people dodge taxes.
That aside, many communist nations got rid of taxes. Albania did, and I believe it also happened under Stalin. I am forgetting a bunch of nations, but the point is made.
>>72068314
>>72055261
ETERNAL REMINDER that OP is a faggot
>communism
>>72068246
China isn't fucking communist anymore, they make no pretense of it. They are a dictatorship, pure and simple.
>>72055261
Alright Bolshevists and Juden.
We're here to shut you down.
>>72066024
It certainly didn't work perfectly, but it was like putting duct tape on a leak during the rain. It certainly isn't exactly what you need, but it will work for the time being.
As for the economic problems in the 80s, I have to agree with you there. Leadership was subpar after Tito.
>>72062137
rollinggg
Power to the people! Independence > dependence!
>>72057647
So you agree more with National Socialism over International Socialism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEvWDwZYvk8
>>72066215
>99.999% who don't own private property
Private Property as in factories, offices, or any workplace.
Personal Property is your car, house, food, water, et cetera.
>>72068734
China never was communist. It was, and still is, socialist - if not exactly a good example of it.
Americans seem to have this funny idea drilled into their heads that the USSR is the pinnacle of communism and somehow their state capitalism is more communist than China's socialist market economy. Neither are particularly communist, they're just explicitly supposed to industrialize the country.
>>72067467
Lol, Jews in west make "cultural Marxism" some bullshit bastardization of Marxist principles.
They infect all west with their heresey and it's somehow the soviets fault and communism? Lol.
Suck a dick it's more of a liberal ideas.
>I don't own private property
Are you typing on a fucking library computer?
>>72068995
That's not what private property means within communism.
>>72067032
Well the point of this thread is to educate and maybe have a few debates in the process.
>>72068995
Private property != personal property
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=private+property+vs+personal+property
>>72062577
Would your computer count as property as it can produce goods? Would it be illegal to own a printer or a typewriter/
>>72069340
No.
>>72056120
Literally the hardest BTFO on record.
>>72067634
As >>72066024 said, it wasn't as much of a Market Socialism problem as it was a problem with leadership.
This same problem with leadership is what led to it falling apart. Tito brought the nation together, after he died the Party didn't choose leaders that would continue that idea.
>>72055261
A TSUNAMI IS COMING
>>72069496
>>72066502>>72066502>>72066502>>72066502
>>72069244
They are one in the same retard. People restrict access to tangible objects for the same reason they restrict access to land, only dumb commies don't understand this.
>>72070069
All capitalist land belongs to Jew banks for fucking schill so what are you defending? Other than the fucking Jew.
>>72070069
Wew now this is just memeing.
You can't just call something wrong for no reason.
>>72068969
>China never was communist. It was, and still is, socialist - if not exactly a good example of it.
Both are forms of Marxism, and no, China is no longer Marxist. All pretenses have been abandoned. They engage in international trade, they stopped repressing religion.
>>72068990
I never said it was the Soviets fault, but it IS Marxism.
>>72066691
you don't get to do what you want in Communism you do what your are told you fucking dumbass
Only thing niggers and Jews hate more than the gas chamber is having to work in a forced gulag camp.
>>72070182
>Not retardedly differentiating different forms of private ownership is meming
>>72070145
What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>72070368
No it's the fucking Jews fucking retard and western cucks. Not Marx or communists.
>>72055261
"stop hogging up the crops"
> most of the people killed in the soviet union did nothing but criticize the government and the cancerous living conditions.
Not a SINGLE TIME has communism worked, and that's because it requires EVERYONE to want it. That's why it won't fucking work.
>>72070440
All land belongs to the banks and government which are ran by the Jews, large international banks. They basically own all property, your property control is simply an illusion nigger.
How do you figure that 99.999% of people don't own property?
>>72070504
Jew schill propaganda, when has facism worked ever ?
> karl marx is a Jew
"Hurr durr Jew sceme to take over the world!!!"
> Mass murderers being atheists and christians
> doesn't even matter
the glory of 4chan
>>72070645
What the fuck is a schill you retarded faggot?
