Why haven't you adopted the most red pilled diet yet.
> Reduces risk and reverses heart disease
> Conserves the environment
> No animals harmed
> Cheap as fuck
>>70214282
>PETA
>run by a feminist
Nope, I'll be eating meat for now.
>Cheap as fuck.
>>70214282
meat taste good. vegetables are for fags
>>70214402
It can be either super cheap or expensive depending how you go about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miewQbf6PJA&nohtml5=False
>look guys u can b strong and vegan!!
Don't forget all the roids this faggot injects into his ass and still can't compete on any level that matters.
>>70214282
soft faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNgA06xE_Ng
>>70214471
>going vegan is cheap as long as you eat beans and rice
well no shit
>>70214373
>i will ignore the argument because the jews created peta as controlled opposition to debase veganism
>>70214629
Yeah, so what. Get some sauce on that shit and it tase bretty gud.
>>70214282
If it was easy I would, but getting a balanced diet without eating meat is hard.
For every animal you pussies don't eat, I will eat three.
>>70214282
Yeah we've seen what happens on the red-pilled plant and flowers diet
>>70214996
for every pussy you animals don't eat, i will eat three.
>"His personal bests are: Bench 210kg, Squat 360kg, Deadlift 360kg."
As a bodybuilder, let me say this.
1. He is on anabolic steroids
2. He drinks a gallon of soy protein per day to get the required protein for muscle and strength growth
3. Anabolic steroids offset the estrogenic effects of soy
He would not be able to be a vegan strongman/bodybuilder without juicing.
>>70215230
The soy/estrogen relationship hasn't been fully proven yet. Plus it's plant estrogen, the hormones in dairy and meat are actually mammalian hormones. He's on roids, so what...so are many omnivores.
>>70215406
Evolution hasn't been fully proven yet, either.
>>70214507
>Don't forget all the roids this faggot injects into his ass and still can't compete on any level that matters.
holds world records in his sport..
>Australia
..
>>70214578
looks miserable, just a huge pile of lettuce and a couple dates.
>>70215230
>He would not be able to be a vegan strongman/bodybuilder without juicing
nobody would be able to do it without juicing, vegan or not, what's your point?
>>70215881
He holds no world records. OP is clickbait.
>>70214282
>PETA
>An organization that will kidnap your dog while you are at work and take it to one of their facilities.
>Their facilities are designed to kill pets as fast as possible.
>You could get off at 5pm, they could kidnap your dog at 4:30pm, and its dead by the time you call the cops
>PETA ever talking about not harming animals.
The livestock fuckers need to be lobotomized.
>>70214578
>all of this is going to go inside of me
What all 20 of those bananas bundled together in your big vegan cunt hole?
>>70216112
dude that is patrik baboumian, are you retarded?
>>70214578
>look how i just show this mothafucker right in there
God she's sexual, talking about blowjobs now
Meat is culture
Fucking Philistine
>>70216302
>2012 World record beer keg lifting (150,2 kg)[5]
>2012 World record Front Hold 20 kg (1:26,14 Minuten)[6]
>2013 World record yoke-walk, 550,2 kg über 10 m in Toronto[7]
Shouldn't even be records. I'm natty and eat a kilo of meat a day, and bench press 170kg. That's 30kg less than him. And he probably does it with an arch and leg drive.
>>70215576
neither has gravity.
>>70214282
I went vegan for a month, since I made a bet with my girlfriend.
To be honest, some of the simulated meat products are not bad (burgers, hotdogs, etc.). There's also a surprising amount of vegan/vegetarian cuisine, especially coming from Asia.
However, I have never felt lower energy in my life. And yes, I was getting my protein and enough calories, etc.. Being vegan literally makes you dumber. I had like a "brain fog" and a lot of trouble getting up in the morning, and making it through the day.
Would not recommend.
>>70216182
new fetish?
>>70216403
>pfft not impressive, i could do that
LOL nice argument faggot, come back when you hold WORLD RECORDS
>>70216522
I have too many fetishes to count, I'm a sick fuck. But yeah I now want to see vegans stuffing bananas up their cunt.
>>70215576
Nor has it ever been proven who your real father is
>>70214578
Holy shit her farts must stink
>>70216610
bet she has cam whore videos?
>>70216505
and what exactly do you think you're getting from meat that you were not getting when vegan to cause low energy? cholesterol?
>sufficient calories
>sufficient protein
>sufficient carbs
then what is the deal, are you retarded or what? What do you think your body gets energy from?
The only way veganism is cheap is if you literally buy nothing but 25kg bags of rice that you rehydrate, and eating solely that is going to give you far more health issues than a balanced meat diet.
If I had £400 a week to spend solely on fruit and vegetables, I probably would. I don't, so I don't.
>>70216725
No clue my friend, just sharing my experience. Ate lots of beans, nuts, grains, etc... Maybe I should have used a protein powder as well, who knows.
>>70215230
lol soy products dont increase your estrogen it's actually the most ridiculous thing when you think about it. You are eating phytoestrogen, i.e its a plant hormone. Are you a plant? No, it has no effect on you and is metabolised.
>He is on anabolic steroids
Well you clearly know nothing about gear clearly, he is on alot more than just steroids like test.
>He would not be able to be a vegan strongman/bodybuilder without juicing
Neither can any meateater what is the point?
His diet is of course redundant due to his drug though of course so is a meat eaters.
>>70216505
How 'energetic' you feel has nothing to do with protein or even calories. It's carbohydates, which is why the low carb diets are nothing but horseshit.
>>70216182
>>70216522
>wanting your dick to smell like a rotten banana
Would you make her suck it off?
>>70216959
I'd fuck her in her big vegan asshole, where 4kg of lettuce falls out of everyday.
I wonder if she shits little droppings like a sheep.
>>70214282
Even I admit this is a shitpost
>>70215576
There are as much published studies showing no relation between soy and T or an increase in T as there are ones showing a decrease in T with soy
>>70216505
That likely means you did not do enough reading an research into the nutrition of it beforehand. If you do the research to make sure you are consuming all the stuff your body needs many people feel better mentally and physically then they do while eating meat.
>>70214727
For the price you spend on meat/eggs/dairy you can easily get enough hemp/chia/spirulina/flax to balance out everything else and be healthy. It might take an extra trip to a health food store or coop instead of the supermarket but its about as easy as a regular diet, you just have to make a few changes.
>>70216797
I'm confused by your thought process.
Somehow, a "balanced meat diet", which would be more expensive, is some how better for you than swapping out the meat for beans and rice?
This makes no sense.
>>70216797
> I don't, so I don't
you could always start stealing food.
>>70214436
Found the 5 year old child.
>>70217072
no she probably shits enormous amounts of squishy poop that is healthy and in continuous flow. It probably isn't clumpy or in droppings.
I've killed sheep and goats I own. I do this humanely, by pairing the wool apart on the throat, then quickly sawing deep into the neck to the bone. I then grab the head and pull it back on its self to snap the neck on itself. This happens within 10 seconds. Is far more humane than halal slaughter.
Would vegan girls eat my meat?
>>70216959
>>wanting your dick to smell like a rotten banana
what yours doesnt?
>>70214282
>veganism
>redpilled
Literally panda tier, adapt faggot. Kill and grow what you eat.
>>70217397
jews mutilated me at birth so no
>>70216865
Hemp protein powder is good for the vegan diet and I take it every day when I dont eat actual hemp seeds.
Hemp has all the essential amino acids, omega-3s and is super easy to digest. One of the healthiest foods on the planet.
>>70217103
There is a good chance they said it to troll although most of what they said is true except that its often only marginally cheaper and it can only prevent but not reverse heart disease as far as I'm aware
>>70217506
Cost and taste is the biggest reason why people aren't vegan my friend.
In a decade, artificial grown meat will be cheap and available in shops. Will you eat that then, because animals aren't harmed?
>>70217111
>hemp/chia/spirulina/flax
you can eat hemp? does it get you high?
>>70217282
no you.
>>70217506
Post a picture of your body if you're so healthy
>incoming excuses
>>70217368
you should make a goat guillotine and put each goat through a show trial before their execution.
>>70214282
> Reduces risk and reverses heart disease
how eating green shit full of chemical product does it ?
> Conserves the environment
what ? you're literally eating the environment
> No animals harmed
oh so you're a cuck who is afraid of hurting animals but don't say anything about human beheading done by arabs ?
> Cheap as fuck
go to any store , look for what is called "bio" and you will be suprised , even meat is cheaper than their shit.
>eat one bio apple
>find worms in it
WTF is wrong with you ? if you're a fag and don't want to hurt anyone fuck off from /pol/ then faggot.
vegan is literally the ultimate good goy pill .
>>70214282
>plants
>redpilled diet
top fucking kek
Obvious b8. Veganism is a creation of nu males adanced faggotry .
If u want to be healthy go for some cycling or running instead of falling for memes
>>70217481
maybe G-d will be tricked into thinking you are one of his chosen and let you into heaven .
>>70217795
I already had a goat city, where the goats would climb onto trucks and cars and command their stupid underlings underlings; the sheep. Had to eat the female goat, it was headbutting a commy because it saw its reflection in it. Male goat, just got an execution. Meat was far too tough to even cut, so it got buried, my dog dug it up though and carted parts of it off.
I don't eat meat unless some one one serves it to me or if i find one of those ''50% of eat soon short date'' at the store. The meat that is actually of good quality and good for you is quite expensive and that meat is not good to eat so much of. And if you learn to cook its not even that much better then plant based food.
Not to mention the fact that this kind of meat production is unsustainable and produced a shitty end product.
People that justify it with ''it taste good'' is literally the same as the lardasses that live on candy and shit food. Which is fine by me as long as they aren't in denial.
>>70218104
I've never gone a day in my life where I haven't eaten meat. What are you a pooftah?
>>70215881
He ate meat when he set records
>>70218077
oh lel holy shit. are you in the country?
>>70217604
You can eat it and its one of the top 3 healthiest foods on the entire planet if not the healthiest. You cannot get high from eating it, it contains THC but about 5000 times less then the amount in cannabis. I don't think it even has enough to trigger drug tests.
http://www.purehealingfoods.com/hempHeartsInfo.php
http://ecowatch.com/2015/06/03/superfood-hemp-seeds/
>>70217603
I think that will be a good development but I don't eat meat for health reasons. It causes inflammation which is one of the core factors underlying and contributing to or causing almost all health issues like diabetes, cancer, heath conditions etc.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25548184
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24284436
>>70218265
Yeah
>>70214282
Vegans claim their diet is just as healthy, but I've literally never met a single one that wasn't a scrawny, malnourished fuck. No thanks, I like having biceps bigger than my wrists.
>>70218307
Well if that's the case, eating meat is another bad habit like smoking and alcohol. Hopefully I live another decade or two when nanobot cancer treatments are ready. In case I get liver cancer from eating meat.
Also are you Vegan gains? You link a lot of ncbi articles like him.
>>70218516
or a fat piece of shit that used it as an excuse to gorge on french fries and cake
>>70218307
>I don't think it even has enough to trigger drug tests.
ive never come across it in australia. here chia seeds are really hyped.
>>70214282
> No animals harmed
>https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
At least 100 mice are killed per hectare per year (500/4 × 0.8) to grow grain.
Mice die a slow and very painful death from poisons. From a welfare point of view, these methods are among the least acceptable modes of killing.
Baby mice left in the nest sing to their mothers — a kind of crying song to call them back. For every female killed by the poisons we administer, on average five to six totally dependent baby mice will, despite singing their hearts out to call their mothers back home, inevitably die of starvation, dehydration or predation.
> Conserves the environment
Agriculture to produce wheat, rice and pulses requires clear-felling native vegetation. That act alone results in the deaths of thousands of Australian animals and plants per hectare.
Most of Australia’s arable land is already in use.
Grazing occurs on primarily native ecosystems. These have and maintain far higher levels of native biodiversity than croplands. The rangelands can’t be used to produce crops, so production of meat here doesn’t limit production of plant foods. Grazing is the only way humans can get substantial nutrients from 70% of the continent
But yeah, it's cheap and healthy as long as you make an effort to ensure you're getting enough iron and B12
>>70214282
> No animals harmed
And that is supposed to be a good thing? An animal soul is trapped within the body of violently and painfully slain animal, and I gain strenght by devouring its remains.
>>70218317
nice. we dont have goat fortresses in the city and ive never had to kill my own food.
>>70214578
lol
in all vegan vids they always have to really talk up how good the food tastes in order to convince themselves of how what their eating is not really as bland as it really is
people that eat shitloads of green vegetables usually have really good skin tho
>>70214282
>millions of years of humanoids eating meat, including recent generations of your family
>stop eating meat cold turkey
>>70218820
Not very nice. We don't have tinder and brothels, so we're all sex starved, and most millennial men end up becoming ice addicts that sell their arsehole for drugs. ayyy lmao
>>70218713
>not adopting the patrician belief that animals are soulless automatons.
pleb
Look at how great being a vegetarian has worked out for this lady.
>>70218699
>Baby mice left in the nest sing to their mothers — a kind of crying song to call them back.
brb crying.
>>70218980
pussy
>>70218927
You from Gippsland m8? I heard we're the ice capital of Australia out here.
>>70214282
>red pill
>giving a shit about the environment
>giving a shit about animals
>buying into mainstream "le veganism is healthy" bullshit
no
The only thing you have to avoid is the sugary and doughy Jew, aka soda/sweets and bread
>>70214578
that's not a vegan but a raw vegan which are twice as nutty
>>70218971
Vegetarians get fat as fuck. Knew this girl in high school that became a vegetarian in grade 9, within a year she put on 30lbs and lost her petite form. Just from eating chocolate muffins and orange juice every day.
Vegans, not so much.
>>70214282
>eating rabbit food
>being this beta
>>70219126
Everyone should care about the environment. We are reliant on it, after all.
>>70218971
yuck
>>70214282
>falling for the peta meme
>>70219126
You are so tough, I am all wet
>>70219026
ive actually killed many mice with poison and traps. the bastards should wreck my shit and chew everything up and piss everywhere.
>>70217885
>how eating green shit full of chemical product does it ?
You can eat or organic or wash your veggies in vinegar and then water which removes much of the pesticides but there are tons of artifical chemicals in meat so its still a good trade-off
>eating the environment
the amount of water and land needed to raise livestock and grow their feed is exponentially large then that need to raise most vegan food, raising livestock is a major cause of erosion, desertification and water depletion
>go to any store , look for what is called "bio" and you will be suprised
its been proved time and time again that vegan food can be cheaper
>>70217952
or you be healthy by being vegan and having a less chance of heart disease and cancer
>>70219274
Sarcasm? Because he's a fucking retard.
>>70219152
double damaged.
>>70219228
We're not going to exist in the environment you're so keen on protecting after the societal collapse.
>>70216133
source on PETA stealing peoples dogs to kill.
smells like horseshit
>>70219144
This desu. I went to a reduced carb diet and lost 40 pounds in 6 months without really trying. I didn't count calories, or plan meals. I just avoided carbs as much as possible and made a bit of an effort to eat smaller meals. It really opened my eyes to just how lazy I was when I was overweight, and how lazy other overweight/obese people. Seriously, cut carbs and don't stuff your fucking maw so much, and you WILL lose weight with ease.
>>70219496
It'll only collapse in non-western countries.
>>70219274
Thanks?
>>70219513
>stealing people's dogs
I'm pretty sure they don't do that, but they do euthanize many of the animals they rescue.
I have to admit that it seems there is some kind of appeal in going vegan. There are some days where I don't eat any meat and I do feel better, though it's hard to tell if it's just a mental thing or not.
Still, I always feel better when I eat a lot of leafy greens.
>>70219911
A lot of people eat way too much meat and even more people eat way too few vegetables.
As much talk as there is about vegan missing nutrients a lot of people get too little Vitamin C and fibre. Reducing your meat consumption and eating more vegetables will only do you good if you're an average American.
>>70219538
I'm at 10 ponds in 1.5 months, not counting, not working out. Mainly eat nuts, chicken, veggies and fruit, milk, cheese, just no sugary and no doughy jew.
If someone is having a party I'll have a piece of cake, if there is nothing else, I'll have bread, but overall it fucking works. Best shit ever, no effort, fucking results.
Guess this is why they give prisoners water and bread.
>>70218237
Enjoy your cancer
>>70214282
if i was on steroids i would no doubt be vegan, that's a no-brainer
Are anabolic steroids and HGH vegan? I thought that shit was extracted from animals.
>>70219126
>not knowing industrial growth hormones and excess of estrogen in food is what makes males a bunch of betas sub-female scum
>not being alpha estrogen-avoiding red-pilled master race
>>70220148
Enjoy that bull sven.
All those veggies sure made your body nice and feminine ;)
>>70220745
What a gay ass post. If you want to see my dick just ask me, faggot.
>>70217282
No, you found the austrailian.
>>70217794
For you anon. The flash kind of fucked it up but you can see the backwards reflection of your ID on the paper. I'm not ripped but am in otter-mode with a moderately more amount of muscle then most people in otter-mode. I haven't been working out for a while and just got back into it recently. I'm also 6'5 so the muscle is spread out over a big frame and takes a while to build. Being vegan definitely doesn't turn you into a skeleton or cause you to lose muscle if you do it properly though.
>>70218583
Nope, I'm not vegan gains as you can see I have pretty white skin and not brownish. NCBI articles are the gold standard in biomedical research which is why people cite them.
I have watched some of Vegan Gains' videos and he is correct on all of the biological stuff he talks about. However he has an annoying personality and makes a fool of himself when he tries to attack and insult so many people or when he goes on angry rants. IMO he needs to take some acid or mushrooms and then take a year off from making videos.
>>70218674
many health food stores and co-ops would have hemp seed protein powder in Australia I'd imagine, its common here in the US in those places
>>70218699
its not like regular veggies and grain farming have no issues but compared to meat its better and there are also urban farms, vertical farms and hydroponics
>>70214282
Why can't YOU just shut up about your diet, and let other people eat what they want.
It's not like it affects you in any way.
>>70214282
>tastes like shit
>makes you fart 24/7
I'll pass.
>>70218902
>because for a long time we had to do something unhealthy to not starve that means we should continue doing it now even though if we stop doing it we won't starve and it will let us avoid the bad health effects
Vegan diet doesn't have enough protein
I'm a mayne
>come on bro have a protein shake and 10 pounds of beans
>>70219126
>buying into mainstream "le veganism is healthy" bullshit
>Vegetarian diets confer protection against cardiovascular diseases, cardiometabolic risk factors, some cancers and total mortality. Compared to lacto-ovo-vegetarian diets, vegan diets seem to offer additional protection for obesity, hypertension, type-2 diabetes, and cardiovascular mortality. Males experience greater health benefits than females.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871675
>>70221330
>eating meat
>something unhealthy
>bad health effects
Keep deluding yourself
http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/side-effects-of-becoming-vegetarian
>>70214282
you cant get 2 amino acids from plants. amino acids are the building blocks of life
if vegetarians are healthier why is it meat seams to almost kill them? you ever see one of them that regrets having gone all vegomortinstien?
they try to eat a burger its like they caught the fucking plague. you dont know if you should take them to a doctor or call the cdc and ask them if its contagious
Because meat is delicious. If someone wants to be a vegetarian, fine. They only trigger me when they start lecturing.
>>70214983
There are a ton of resources out there that make it easy to follow a vegan diet.
http://veganhealth.org/
They even have sample meal plans.
>>70218902
>wild meat is the same as hormone-injected, frozen and transported for kilometers and exclusively female cattle
>not knowing domesticated chicken take 5 months to grow instead of industry's 6 weeks
>not knowing all meat we eat is filled with estrogen naturally and artificially because cows produce milk and chickens lay eggs
>>70221707
hurr durr have you even tried dog?
>>70219911
You can always try it as an experiment for a week or two to see how it goes. All you have to do is just by vegan groceries one week and not buy non-vegan food or eat it for the week. You are still buying 70-80% of the same stuff anyway its not a huge shift. If you do it read about good sources of nutrition while vegan first though so you don't do it wrong and feel bad and conclude veganism is bad.
>>70220729
The science on soy and hormones does not point in any direction. Depending on the study there is more, less or the same amount of T. Additionally, plant estrogen does not effect the body like human estrogen. Also, while being vegan you don't even need to eat soy. You are more likely to suffer hormonal issues in middle- and old- age from chronic low-grade inflammation caused by your meat-heavy diet messing up your hormonal systems then you are to have hormonal issues from being a vegan who gets the right amount of nutrition, especially if you don't or only rarely eat soy.
There are different types of protein. Vegans don't understand that in part because they are malnourished and their brain in not functioning properly. But just in regards to protein alone: by not consuming enough animal protein the vegan cannot properly build and maintain healthy muscle. Because of vegans the term "noodle dick" came into popular use. Your penis is a muscle and it can be plainly seen that a vegan's dick is and all ways will be (for as long as he remains a vegan) 1/2 - 1/3 as thick as a healthy penis. Again, this is extremely important : vegans have a dick which is thin like a noodle in comparison to a healthy dick which is shaped like a thick, firm sausage.
>>70222213
thats a meme thoug and a placebo addiction..feels good.jpg
>>70222404
>The science on soy and hormones does not point in any direction.
Dude, I agree with you. It's a fact that MEAT is full of hormones for growth, especially estrogen. Vegans have it better when it comes to that,
>>70220889
You're in great shape. But you are of only above average muscle tone. I have 18" arms at 6'3, 250lbs with a 130kg x 10 Bench Press as a meat eater.
>>70214578
Only dates she'll ever have
>>70214282
I don't give two shits.
Personally I know a vegan and I'm sorry to say the same thing as many other people here; but she looks like she sits inside her home all day long eating cheetos and might die of malnutrition any day now.
I'm sure it's possible to live healthy as a vegan but it seems there must be quite some challanges to it.
>>70221850
Let me take apart your bullshit part-by-part
>1
The first issue was the low cholesterol that vegans have and then they cite a study about non-vegans having low cholesterol who died earlier then non-vegans with regular cholesterol. Ignoring the fact that this study was about non-vegans, even if someone wanted to cite it as an example of why veganism is bad that would be stupid because most studies find that vegans and vegetarians live longer and have a lower overall risk of mortality
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23836264
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/
>2
The second is increased risk of colorectal cancer for which they site a 2009 study however a 2015 study that had more subjects found that they had a lower risk of colorectal cancer
http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1313.full
>3
The third is Lower bone mineral density. However right there on the page they mention its possible to get the nutrients you need for bones on a vegan diet and for the one study they cite that found a lower bone mineral density the authors wrote that the “magnitude of the association is clinically insignificant.”
>4, 5
The fourth and fifth are lower levels of B12 and Omega-3s which is stupid because anyone whos wants to can easily consume vegan foods that contain those and take supplemens. Chia, Hemp and several other vegan foods contain Omega-3s. Purple seaweed and Tempeh has B12 and you can also take B12 supplements or multivitamins with it.
>>70214282
>promote veganism
>fight against GMO's
If thes epeople get there way, they will be the first ones going down the drainer.
>>70222450
haha what the fuck my sides
>>70214282
seems blue-pilled to me
>>70223617
>hurr your post is bullshit
>look, vegetarianism can totally work if you just take nutrients, supplements, vitamins, and carefully plan out your diet
>see, it's perfectly natural and it's what we should have been doing all along
you're literally fucking retarded
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/baby-breastfed-by-vegan-mother-dies/
>veganism is healthy :^)
>nature kills their kid
so literally natural selection`?
>>70223617
If meat is such a killer why do we have a natural tendency to enjoy it so much?
>>70223617
>veganism is cheap and great!
>you'll be totally fine as long as you shill out a few extra hundred shekels every month for all these 100% pure chemical pill "supplements" that in practice are 80% waste since body can't effectively take up stuff from those pills which only puts unnecessary stress on your liver as well as making your piss yellow and heightens chance of getting kidney stones
>it's 100% natural!
>>70224136
>so literally natural selection`?
Yes, tho unfortunately it's not genetic, they're created by society.
Them dying off won't achieve anything until the society is redpilled about it.
>germany's strongest man
>a turk roach
elohel
>>70224516
>have retard genes which makes them fall for stupid shit like a tv show about cows getting kill
>not generic
>>70222089
Hemp seeds contain all of the essential amino acids. And you don't need the non-essential ones.
>>70222213
I agree its annoying but its way less common in real life then people make it seem on /pol/.
>>70224712
I'm not denying there isn't some genetic combination of gullibility, love for animals and low IQ that makes you predisposed to vegetarianism, but indoctrination, upbringing and propaganda are far bigger factors then anything genetic.
>>70214282
Food scientist here. Being a vegetarian isn't bad if you still drink milk, eat cheese, eggs, etc. But vegans have problems if they don't follow a strict diet of eating plant proteins that complement each other and give the missing amino acid the other food has. If your body doesnt have all the amino acids it needs to form a protein, then your body receives no protein. Case studies have shown vegans to have lowered brain activity from not properly doing this every day
>>70220928
Actually, everyone helps pay for the healthcare here and just like fatties cause the cost to go up, so do people who eat a ton of meat and get cancer, heart disease, etc. People's choices do effect other people.
>>70214282
Literally who.
If being red pilled means I have to eat food that tastes like dirt and be a pussy tree hugger, then I don't want to be red pilled
>>70214282
>"most red pilled diet"
>only liberal fags are vegan
Come the fuck on OP.
Because I'm not a beast, I'm a man, more importantly I'm a man from the 1st world.
Subsisting on nothing but beans and grass is for rodents and the "people" that live in mud huts.
>>70225921
>be vegan
>republican
Your argument is invalid.
>>70214282
Middle road is best. Healthy diet, mostly vegetarian, but with small quantities of beef/lamb etc. is healthiest.
>>70223926
>>70224429
>only caring about eating wholesome diets when you want to point out supplements are bad but ignoring all the evidence showing meat is bad for your health
>acting like its bad to plan out your diet to maximize your physical health
>ignoring that there are good vegan food sources of B12 and Omega-3s that we can digest fine
>implying that B12/Omega3 supplements are unhealthy when all the evidence shows that in moderation they are perfectly fine
Do you not take medicine because its not natural? When you wife is pregnant and the doctor gives her a prenatal vitamin to make the baby not be deformed will you go "Lol NO, supplements are bad!"
Its retarded to point at supplements as evidence that veganism is bad when the science has established they are healthy and that a vegan person using the correct foods to obtain all the right nutrients is likely to be way healthier then a meat-eater.
>>70226384
>republican
>have wet dreams about bernie ruling over the US
Your argument is invalid as well.
>>70226384
>didn't refute being a fag
>>70227119
I'm not a fag, happily married.
>>70226888
I hate Bernie. Cruz or Trump.
>>70225386
see
>>70225117
I agree many vegans have an issue with this but if you just make sure to eat hemp seed or hemp seed powder every day you're set
Because I'm lifting since years and vegetable food is too inefficient protein / gram wise.
I can eat 500g of chicken or 3.5 kg of broccoli to get 100g of protein. Go figure
God created animals for mankind to use them as we see fit. It would go against God not to eat animals.
>>70227546
There are vegan protein powders that are pretty good.
>>70214282
300 CAPTURED IN SYRIA BY ISIS >>70227531
>>70226617
>veganism is cheap and natural
>prove how it isnt either
>quickly drops the points and goes into other things
FYI I'm a TCM practicioner and have pretty much ever taken medicine since I've literally never had any reason to take medicine. The fact that you bring up taking medicine at all means that your body is fucked.
When my mom is pregnant the doctor would never need to give her any prenatal vitamins because we're not fucking morons who eats retarded made up "natural and cheap" diets that that slowly cripples your body and brain without additional chemical "supplements" which actually only slows down the process.
>B12 and Omega-3s
>kek as if that's even the main point totally skipping A, E, K vitamins.
>muh plenty of amino acids
plenty of amino acid means shitall if they aren't full sets of amino acids. Say you have 50 set of car chassis, 60 set of interior, 35 set of mechanical parts and 10 sets of wheels. Guess how many finished cars you'll get?
>>70226274
>>70214282
because I eat plant eaters
>>70227712
nobody cares faggot we're discussing hot topics like fucking veganism.
>>70219513
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2838829/PETA-snatched-family-s-dog-porch-drove-away-van-killed-came-fruit-basket-say-sorry.html
>>70214282
> Reduces risk and reverses heart disease
Always thrown around, but there are studies saying the opposite, and those in favor of green shit tend to have never been reproduced.
> Conserves the environment
Not any better than cattle, no.
> No animals harmed
Plants can't scream.
> Cheap as fuck
Certainly not, a full green diet is going to be far more expensive.
I'm a cardiac diabetic set to die in 20 years, ask me anything.
>>70227768
no real argument, just,
>le opposition is dum
/pol/ btfo once again
>>70227768
>drinking milk
>ever
nice strawman vegan pussy
>>70227843
>using daily mail as a reliable new source
kek
>>70227768
>not drinking breast milk
what are you, gay?
>not drinking milk
>probably lactose intolerant
Getting mad over sour grapes? Oh wait, only real white people dont have lactose intolerance, dirty mutt
>>70214282
I don't want to turn into a homosex
>>70214282
All the health benefits associated with vega jam just come from a high intake of of vegetables, legumes and pulses not from avoiding high quality animal products.
nigger behavior like eating meat needs to be ended
>>70228434
'High quality' animal products are expensive.
>>70228495
niggers dont eat meat, they eat clay and grass.
>>70216894
You're a retard. Phytoestrogens act exactly like estrogen in the body. They fit into estrogen receptor sites.
Soy is garbage and makes men grow tits. Deal with it, beta.
>>70228507
>being poor
Also, not true. Farms sell shit cheap, so do butchers.
>>70214282
>no animals harmed
>cheap as fuck
Have you seen what a combine thresher does to animals including deer insects and birds? They're designed so that the blades can go through not only grain, but animals that happen to be retarded enough to be standing in fields. Things are brutal as fuck. Also a vegetarian diet that incorporates the things you need to live is nowhere near cheap.
>>70228663
shh, do you think a person of this level would even be able to comprehend anything like this? Meat comes in overpriced plastic packages from the local supermarket. Buying a bunch cheap from wholesale or butchers is too advanced stuff, not even mentioning having something sent directly from the farm.
>>70227546
It is if you just rely on regular veggies and the occasional nuts for protein.
However if you make sure to eat a mix of nuts, seeds, green veggies, avocados, chia seeds, hemp seeds and take vegan protein powder you can get all the protein you want and more.
>>70227718
Veganism is cheap and natural. Even all the stuff to insure you have adequate nutrients is easily made up for in costs if you take into account the savings from not spending on dairy and meat and if you buy it in bulk. You don't need to take supplements and can get 100% of everything including b12 and omega3s from food and so it is natural.
I wouldn't brag about TCM. There have been some aspects of it that have been shown to be helpful and some herbs in it have medicinal properties but most studies that have closely reviewed it have found there is no evidence that much of it works.
>acting like vitamins are missed on the vegan diet
Have you done any reading about nutrition at all? Vegetables, fruits and nuts are some of the most effective and best sources of almost all the vitamins and again, you can get everything your body needs easily from vegan food.
If you eat a mix of nuts, seeds and veggies you easily get a mix of amino acids giving you everything you need, i.e. all the essential ones. Not to mention hemp seeds contains all of them and should be eaten by everyone anyway because of how healthy it it is.
>>70227965
Its a silly response to a silly post. Posting that eating meat makes you a real man and thinking that somehow refutes the idea that veganism is good is retarded and so they shouldn't expect people to give them high-quality replies.
>>70228240
I already posted a pic of my body in this thread that shows I'm white
>>70228434
some of it likely comes from avoiding the inflammation that meat causes
>>70228663
Yeah, I'm poor. I'm a college student.
That's not true where I live. I've seen the prices at the farmer's market in my city and the prices are ridiculous.
>>70229064
It may be cheap in cucked Sweden but in the US, at least the state that I live in, it's more expensive than veggies.
>>70229104
I regularly get over 300% of my daily vitamin A and B vitamins(excluding vitamin b12) just eating salads with lots of different veggies. The b12 I get in soy milk.
I'm a strict vegetarian, damn near vegan if I still didn't drink organic milk from my local farm. I'm also a former marine and a combat veteran. My daughter is also on the same diet as me.
>>70229104
>Fruits and Veggies
Regular diet incorporates these too.
>Nuts and seeds
Costs many times more than meat and dairy products weight:cost wise
>vegan protein powder
How is this supposed to be natural? Even if you ignore natural the vegan proteins cost 70% more than regular whey80
>Beans and Legumes
Can substitute meat to some degree for protein since they form full sets of amino acids with rice. But the overall protein content to weight consumed will be less, they're also like rice nearly unedible/undigestable unless if made soft by absorbing plenty of water which further increases bloat when actually eating.
Post some fucking numbers showing how its so much cheaper if you want to convince people.
In b4 >do your own research
That kind of faggot leftist reply makes you no different from Carl the Cuck.
>do I have to explain how its better?
>ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!??
>>70230227
Respect. My brother is a Marine and I have another brother in the Chair Force.
>>70214282
>Low intake of fats and protein make you low energy and nearly anemic
>Diet that requires supplements, yet its the best diet? Kek
>No nutricionist will fucking say this is a good diet
>Many a vitamin and proteins, specially from the B complex, can not be gotten in other ways other than meat, and its shortage can cause neurological atrophy
We owe our advanced brains to our diet, in a strictly biochemical and evolutionary sense. The optimal rates of comsumption of various nutrients are all over the internet or in books/academia, read something other than pol posts.
>>70214282
>conserves the environment
bro you have to tear down a whole forest just to have room to farm your shitty leafy greens.
>>70215925
>Watching the daylight shift in a ll the time it took her to tediously process 10 pounds of lettuce
>>70230531
There are vegan doctors and nutritionists....just saying.
>>70229793
nice
>>70230227
I'm a vegan in my 20's myself but I'm aware that organic and especially organic raw milk is super healthy and is really good for children and teenagers.
From early childhood my parents made me drink large glasses of milk 3 times a day and I did it until age 18 or 19 which I think has a lot to do with me being 6'5 and really healthy in general. I don't really plan on drinking it as an adult except maybe occasionally but when I have kids I'm definitely going to make them drink it everyday for their health.
>>70230580
You tear down a whole forest just to make room for factory farms or the crops that feed the animals in those factory farms.
>>70214282
A diet that is not amoral cannot be 'red-pilled'.
>>70219369
i stomped on a bastard once. First saw hin run in a hole, so i drowned him out. When he finally crawled out BaM and went and added him to my daily steak.
Guys check out this quick video Trump: Our Only Hope??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zafmqQ3G0I
>>70216505
Low energy.
Vegans = yeb voters. Pathetic.
>>70219152
>not cooking plants
for what purpose
>>70214373
>>PETA
>>run by a feminist
>Nope, I'll be eating meat for now.
MFW that is the definition of a reactionary.
You think you're being clever by making a decision like that but you don't realise it means you've adopted your diet because of PETA.
Teen 'rebels' are adorable.
>>70232141
It's supposed to make sure no important nutrients are destroyed from the heat of the oven, etc.
Considering doing a vegan paleo diet since I want to avoid mock-meats and processed foods. Any of you limp-wristed vegans want to tell me what the fuck someone who doesn't want to drink Soylent or eat tofu all day on a vegan diet is supposed to eat?
>>70230287
I recommend protein powder for the person talking about weightlifting, for hypothetical purposes however you don't need it to get much protein.
Your remaining points were that nuts/seeds are expensive and that beans can cause bloating but neither of these are issues if you don't eat too much of one thing and eat balanced meals consisting of 3 or 4 different vegan high-protein sources.
If you get reguarly eat meals such as beans and rice with cooked spinach and avacado there is a ton of protein in that especially if you add flax or chia seed to it. Nuts and seeds can cost a lot but if you buy things in bulk and only eat a few handfuls throughout the day its not an issue. The expensive "special foods" like nuts/seeds/superfoods etc are not meant to be the primary source of protein but should be used moderately to augment the protein you get from cheap foods like rice/beans/other legumes/spinach/kale/broccoli/avacados etc. If you do that you easily get tons of protein and its not more expensive that eating a regular diet because you save a lot from not buying eggs/milk/meat.
This study found that a vegetarian diet is cheaper, switching that to vegan makes little difference.
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/19320248.2015.1045675?journalCode=when20&
>>70214282
"Cuck diet"
>>70232182
theres a difference between adopting a diet because of PETA, and discrediting the evidence to change your diet because of PETA you canacuck
>>70214282
Aren't recent studies coming out that show these types of diets are also pretty fucking bad for you as well?
>>70230531
>Low intake of fats and protein make you low energy and nearly anemic
you can easily get all the fats and proteins you need while vegan and the fats tend to be a lot healthier then the fats from meat. Also the idea of being low-energy while vegan is just a meme, there is no scientific evidence that suggests its the case.
>Diet that requires supplements, yet its the best diet? Kek
they don't require supplements at all if you eat the right foods, see
>>70223617
>No nutricionist will fucking say this is a good diet
not true, in all the current medical literature on the subject the doctors and other experts say that as long as you make sure you get the right nutrients its healthier then an omnivore diet
>Many a vitamin and proteins, specially from the B complex, can not be gotten in other ways other than meat, and its shortage can cause neurological atrophy
Everything that your body needs can easily be gotten from vegan sources without supplements. There is not a single vitamin or nutrients that the body needs that you can't get from vegan sources. Don't bother listing B12 because tempeh and purple laver have it.
>>70231135
That only because they don't eat the right vegan foods. There is no science indicating vegans have less energy or endurance and many athletes find that the vegan diet helps them have more when done properly.
>>70232141
Cooking can destroy important nutrients in some foods, the raw food diet forces you to avoid all processed foods, cooking increases the acidity of foods which is bad for the health and for some people it makes them feel great. To each their own though.
>>70232232
There is a wealth of helpful material available online but in short: Beans & Rice, avocados, regular nuts and seeds, kale, spinach, broccoli, flax seed powder, superfoods like chia seeds and hemp seeds. Tofu is good but its not needed, I only have it once a week.
>>70232232
This has a bit of soy in it but not much.
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/MealPlans/1800_day_2-by_meal.pdf
If you want to go raw: http://rawfoodrecipes.com/
I'm going raw for about a month just to help with losing weight, but I put some of those recipes into Cron-O-meter and there was a ton of vitamins, protein, minerals.
>>70232232
>vegan paleo
is this humanly possible? like that would imply ruling out most domesticated legumes and beans which are the basis for normal vegan diets
>avoiding mock-meats
this doesn't make it "paleo" you card. most vegans and vegetarians never eat mock meats anyway because soybean is shit
>>70232636
Haven't seen any of those.
>>70232445
>being this influenced by media-programming
>>70232636
Nope.
>>70214282
that guy is literally wolverine
>>70214282
> Germany's strongest man
> is a Turk
> all those animals on the poster regularly get eaten
>>70233102
>this doesn't make it "paleo" you card
How are mock meats not processed? The basic tenet of maintaining a paleo diet is to not have anything that's processed.
why is he fat?
>>70214282
>cheap
>having to spend more to make up for the amount of vitamins im not getting as abundant in meat.
>not realizing veganism/vegetarian diets actually cut more into lands for farming
>not being disciplined to eat meat in moderation.
Inb4 carnist
Nope omnivorous:^)
>>70233425
you dont have to spend more money though, see
>>70232322
>>70233350
he's not a Turk, I believe he's Iranian
>>70217142
Thinking beans and rice is healthy on its own...
>>70216865
You were burning the essence of the animals you were eating. It's what makes us top dog
>>70233425
Animal agriculture causes 90% of the deforestation of the rainforests. It takes 1/7th of an acre to make enough food to feed one vegan for an entire year and it takes 18x the amount of space for an omnivore.
>>70233729
shhh, dont let people know about those lectins!
>>70233360
>How are mock meats not processed?
this was not the problem with your statement
paleo means no domesticated crops or meats so as a vegan that would result in no lentils, white rice, hybrid fruits and beans, etc
>>70233425
>veganism/vegetarian diets actually cut more into lands for farming
lmao
the VAST majority of agricultural land is used to produce feed for cattle
>>70233778
Who cares? You can eat beans all day if you want to.
>>70214282
The answer is mostly plants and some animal, not eliminating either one. Silly liberals.
>>70232937
How do you supplement the B complex then...
>>70214282
If we eat all of the veggies and fruit what do the animals eat.
>>70233883
I don't really eat beans. Mostly veggies, fruit and nuts.
>>70234033
This. Why is this so hard to understand, current meat consumption is high but that doesnt mean it should replaced.
Balanced fucking diet.
Vegan diets are not balanced.
>>70234304
Grass. Something that's not palatable for us.
>>70214507
>he thinks hes on steroids
Im as big as that guy and havent lifted for like a 4 months
>>70233778
No actual source there champ?
>>70233548
Using avocado as a source.. Unless you're in California then those suckers get expensive.
>>70233865
Again no sourc... Oh is Argentina... Hows the Falkland islands?
>>70232322
Protein content of:
>advocado
2g / 100g
>spinach, cooked
3g / 100g
>rice, cooked
3g / 100g
>kidney beans, cooked
8.7g / 100g
>chicken breast, cooked
16.7g / 100g
>quark, neutral
13g / 100g
>egg, boiled
12.6g / 100g
>beef, lean, cooked
26.7g / 100g
>tuna
25.5g / 100g
>alot of protein
>vegan high protein sources
??????
>>70235059
Sweden yes!
>>70234781
https://www.pik-potsdam.de/members/cramer/teaching/0607/Geist_2001_LUCC_Report.pdf
>>70217952
They tested two different sets of blood on cancer cells. One was a marathon runner that ate the standard american diet, the other was a strict vegan who sat and did nothing. Wanna guess whose blood killed more cancer cells? The fucking vegan who sat around and did nothing, by like 1800%. You are delusional and ignorant
>>70218516
It's funny you mention that because vegans are the only dietary group in America with an average BMI in the healthy range lol.
>>70235360
I bet the strict vegan who sat and did nothing killed all of his cells at 1800% faster. That's usually what happens if you "sit and do nothing" rather than eating.
>>70214282
> Cheap as fuck
It's really not, though. I recently went vegan for health reasons and even sticking to the cheaper varieties of nutrient dense fruits and vegetables (ie not just eating rice, bananas and cabbage) can get pricey when aiming for those 5-7 servings of fruits and vegetables a day.
It's cheapish, sure, but any real vegan diet that doesn't fall back on "muh rice and beans" is going to be expensive unless you live next to a farm. Just eating a variety of fruits is costing me around $5 a day which is easily affordable for me but is well out of range for plenty of poor people who get told, "Eating a vegetarian diet is so much cheaper!" Yeah, you can eat very cheaply if you stick to rice and beans and you'll get some very cheap vitamin deficiency diseases too.
>>70214282
Actually, the truly, most redpilled diet, is insect based.
They feed off of cheap plants we cannot ingest then turn it into what we can.
>>70218699
> being this stupid
> obviously trolling with Australia tag
You realize that it takes 20 lbs of plant food to make 1 lb of beef right? You are so fucking retarded, literally every single one of your stupid arguments is exponentiation by eating meat you retard. Also live stock is one of the biggest contributors to green house gases.
>>70214282
That dude is like 3 feet tall and does roids
>>70214282
Increased risk of Colon cancer.
I donno about you, but risking my asshole is not something i find appealing.
>>70219195
Dude in the OP is a vegan and a strong man WORLD RECORD HOLDER. He could literally rip your head off of your neck you beta bitch.
>>70219538
To bad a ketogenic diet (no carbs) has been linked to an increase in all cause mortality.
>>70234130
there are multiple vegan sources of all of those
http://www.onegreenplanet.org/natural-health/b-vitamins-how-to-get-them-in-a-vegan-diet/
I've been vegan for 5 years and before that i was a vegetarian for 5 years. Most vegans I've met are very liberal in there ideology. As you see liberals always think they're right and they need to correct your though process. Thats just my foresight.
>>70235752
It reduces risk of colorectal cancer and prostate cancer.
>>70214282
>"Germany's strongest man"
>Is an Arab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY0XpwNkifI
>>70217111
>health food store or coop instead of the supermarket bu
bullshit, i have no idea what you fucking morons think is cheap by going to a fucking health food store or even a co-op(which good luck finding one) is expensive as FUCK. Fucking chia/hemp/spirulina/flax whatever the fuck is expensive SPECIALLY at a health food store. Those places are only for god damn rich assholes who want to buy into bullshit. I've been to many of these health food stores btw ones in CA (LA and around OC) and in VA. Expensive as fuck and way more expensive than buying some stewing meat that will last you for over two weeks.
>>70214471
Vegan gains LOL all of these fucking morons are annoying. Fucking duranrider faggot is one of the biggest faggot aussies I've ever seen.
BTW I really love how they fucking take blood and show it like its some kind of proof of how amazing raw vegan or even veganism is.
>>70235997
People always use Virgin Gains as an example of how crazy vegans are, when I have yet to hear of a vegan serial killer. A vegan cereal killer, yes, but no serial killers. I think everyone at one point has a least THOUGHT of killing other people, it's actually doing it that is the difference.
>>70235506
>
Strong comprehension skills
You meat eaters are delusional, have fun with the heart disease and cancer. HURRR DURRR BACON MUH NATURAL INSTINCTS
>>70235997
Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLrhvHFoSY4
>>70219383
>the amount of water and land needed to raise livestock and grow their feed is exponentially large then that need to raise most vegan food, raising livestock is a major cause of erosion, desertification and water depletion
Yeah kinda like how CA has the largest agriculture in the US? The one that they are in a drought but need to water everything because they live in a fucking desert? Guess how much water those assholes need.
Also, the real reason to eat a vegan diet doesn't have anything to do with morality or ethics. It has to do with how polluted we've made every inch of the planet. There are heavy metal, industrial wastes and pesticides on every inch of the planet.
Seriously, people have gone to mountain tops in national parks and tested the snow for pesticide residue and found it everywhere:
>http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2006/5119/pdf/SIR2006-5119.pdf
>In snow samples, the pesticides most frequently detected were endosulfan, dacthal, and chlorothalonil...the insecticide endosulfan (including the iso-mers endosulfan I, endosulfan II, and the degradate endosulfan sulfate) was detected in all of the snow samples analyzed...dacthal, a herbicide, was detected in 50 percent of the samples analyzed...chlorothalonil, a fungicide, was detected in all but two of the samples analyzed...
We know that all these toxic compounds become concentrated in the tissues of animals higher on the food chain. This is why it's much better to eat small, short lived fish rather than large, predatory fish - shit like shark and swordfish accumulate the mercury and pesticides and shit from all the little fish they eat. Then you eat them and get a big dose of it for yourself. Same thing for any other animal. This is why the best thing you can do for your health is to eat as low on the food chain as possible, because that's where you'll find the least contamination.
If we hadn't fucked the planet so hard it would be a different story - fish would probably be incredibly healthy if the oceans weren't so full of toxins. But they are, and anyone with a brain will adjust their diet to compensate.
>>70234033
>>70234325
Eating less meat and more plants is certainly healthier but meat causes inflammation regardless of how much you eat and the science has shown people who are vegans and vegetarians has lower chances of developing most of the major diseases.
Eating little meat and mostly plants is not very unhealthy but to reach optimum healthiness you have to be vegan/vegetarian or you won't receive the benefit of added resistance to major killers like cancer, heart disease etc.
I'm not going to tell you that its wrong to say a little meat and high plant diet is healthy but you guys are implying its the ideal diet for good health which is flat-out wrong.
>>70234781
changing avocado for another source of food won't change that fact that its still cheaper to be vegetarian
>>70235059
pic related
>>70235599
>doing it wrong
researchers already found out you can be healthy and avoid deficiencies and its still cheaper, see
>>70235752
That was found in a 2009 study but a more recent one in 2015 with more subjects found a lesser chance of colon cancer, see
>>70223617
>>70232322
You probably did not spend much time comparing costs of different foods and different stores etc, if you do its easy to eat cheaply and healthily. I don't presume to know exactly how it went for you but the study showed its possible so you can either do it right or wrong.
>>70236775
>INFLAMMATION
every fucking time
>>70236897
Can somebody explain this inflammation thing
>>70214282
the majority of /pol hasn't realized that blindly believing all pop health science (vegan & lowfat meme) is the same as blindy believing liberal academia.
>>70235894
Have you seen this thread? Just to live their vegan life styles they have documents full to prove to themselves that what they are doing is better.
>>70236983
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipopolysaccharide
Basically this, but it doesn't matter. Eat more vegetables, less carbs, and less processed food.
Idiots that think they can feel their body deal with this shit are the type that fall for 'my top 10 diet cleanse tips' and probably feed vegetarian diets to their 6+ cats.
Humans are omnivorous by nature, please stop trying to cheat the system. It can't be better for you then a regular duet.
>>70235766
>be lifter
>can win championship competing in land of cucks
>didn't even place higher than 4th world championships
>drops shit and goes vegan instead to stick out as gimmick
>sets "world records" in gimmick lifts noone else can be arsed to bother
>dozens of people stronger than him, none vegan
>search him on google
>dozens of articles about him on vegan / vegan endorsement sites
>vegans keep falling back to use him as argument
>v-vegan power
This is just really pathetic you know.
>>70216681
It's a well known fact that vegans smell really good. Also vegans don't fart.
>>70218971
lel look at how meat worked for 50% of your population
>>70235663
>no animals are harmed
Gues that anon was right, being vegan does make you dumber.
In the end, you're still killing animals and you have no moral high ground.
>>70214282
>Germanys stronkest man
>Turkroach
Also lets not forget vegans will deny creatine's importance.
>>70214282
>world's strongest animals are plant eaters
>world's most beta can shoot and eat there meat
>world's most beta could wipe out the entire gorilla population in one afternoon
>>70235894
I believe you mean "insight" and not "foresight" which means predicting the future. I have also known many liberal vegans and vegetarians but in my experience its pretty unusual for them to try to correct everyone around them and to convince others to adopt their diet.
I don't doubt that its possible that you could have met some annoying people but I suspect that in general people tend to remember these sorts of people very easily and tend to easily forget most of the vegetarians and vegans they've met who only mentioned it once or twice.
>>70236499
Thats because many things that require a lot of water are grown there and it was already pretty low in water. Anyway that doesn't change the fact that livestock farming takes up way, way, way more land and water then non-livestock of goods meant for people and not livestock feed.
>>70236147
If you go to some overpriced coop in a rich neighborhood and buy small portions of it yeah it will be expensive but at many farmers markets they can be cheap and if you order in bulk online it can be very cheap if you spend some time comparing prices.
>>70236775
PB, pumpkin seeds, hemp seeds, nuts in general
>cheap sources of protein
We eat tofu and oats already in regular meals
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lox_LUCDEFM
>>70237500
>thinks blue whale is a plant eater, alternatively doesn't know that blue whales exist at all
this nigga just keeps digging a hole that goes deeper and deeper
>>70236983
>>70236897
>Can somebody explain this inflammation thing
Animals products are full of bacterial toxins that enter your blood steam shortly after a meal and fuck your shit up. At some point during their preparation and processing, animal foods contain a sufficient microbial load to release various endotoxins. Cooking kills the bacteria but it doesn't destroy the toxins the bacteria releases. You can literally boil meat for hours and there will be virtually no effect on these toxins, regardless of how dead you make the bacteria that originally produced them.
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20849668
>The ingestion of fatty meals is associated with a transient, low-grade systemic inflammatory response in human subjects, involving the activation of circulating monocytes and the secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines.
>apparently unspoiled foodstuffs can contain large quantities of stimulants of TLR2 and TLR4, both of which may regulate their capacity to stimulate inflammatory signalling.
This is not a problem if you eat meat occasionally. Your body will experience some inflammation and it will reside and you'll be fine. The problem is that when you eat meat constantly, at every meal, then you keep your body in a state of constant inflammatory response to these bacterial toxins and over time, it fucks you up.
>>70237509
>If you go to some overpriced coop in a rich neighborhood and buy small portions of it yeah it will be expensive but at many farmers markets they can be cheap and if you order in bulk online it can be very cheap if you spend some time comparing prices.
Farmers markets are not cheap everywhere I go its expensive as fuck. Even in CA and I'm not in rich neighborhoods its fucking cheaper to go to an asian market to get vegetables. As far as nuts and other shit its still not cheaper than just getting some meat. I'm sure you think there is only one type of cut to being a rich asshole and all.
>>70236775
Wheat is way more inflammitory than any meat and I guarantee you vegans eat tons of wheat. And a small amount of meat does none of those things, your body is adapted for meat consumption it does not cause heart disease when you eat in moderation.
>>70236897
>>70236983
Basically one of the underlying causes of most major health conditions and illnesses. Diet can be a big cause of it and there are several other lifestyle factors and that aggravate and cause it as well. To some extent it can also become self-sustaining once it gets bad.
There are already so many things in a modern lifestyle that can cause it you want to avoid adding a major source of it in your diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23876224
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19586558
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19586558
>>70237230
Inflammation actually does matter and is really important.
>>70237859
>it fucks you up
WOAH BRO, I am so fucked up from meat inflammation
>>70237500
>blue whales
Did you even read the book Swede?
Vegans are the dietary versions of trannies, desperate to be something they aren't and hopped up on delusions of the benefits of damaging their bodies.
>>70214629
My wife and I went Vegan for like a month, and all joking aside we saved a shit ton.
She's a great cook too so there really was no change for me. She did all the trick to make everything taste totally normal.
If you know how to cook, it tastes just fine and you do save a ton of money.
>>70237859
"Toxins." Which toxins exactly anon?
>>70237936
So I might get cancer when I am 75 opposed to 85.
Meanwhile I will enjoy steaks.
>>70214282
>redpilled
>PETA
I'm not taking life style tips from people that steal and kill family pets
>>70237994
Don't be a smartass. It's a fact that consumption of animal fat causes inflammation. Long term, chronic inflammation has been proven to harm your joints, you gut heath, increase your risk of heart disease and various cancers, and so on. This is something that has consequences 20 years down the road, not 20 minutes after you eat a hamburger.
After eating vegan for a few weeks and having a burger, I felt kind of shitty afterwards, just like I felt shitty after I stopped drinking soda for a few months and then drank a bottle to see how it felt. If you've been feeling a certain way all your life, you think it's normal. I'm sure fat people feel terrible all the time but they don't remember what it feels like to not be achy and tired all the time, so they'll sit on tumblr telling everyone how health they are.
>>70237863
Some markets are cheap and you can always just order online.
>>70237859
Its true that only eating it occasionally can help lessen the issue but you also have to take into account that there are many different factors in modern lifestyles that cause can it and so they may already have low-grade inflammation from that and then the meat makes worse and causes an inflammatory cycle to start. Most people stay up kind of late, don't get good sleep cycles, look at computers or tvs late at night, encounter pesticides, herbicides, pollution and car exhaust frequently, drink more then a few drinks of alcohol, etc etc. All those can cause inflammation and its associated health issues directly or indirectly.
>>70237910
I already don't eat much wheat but I'm pretty sure meat is worse. If wheat was the same as meat in terms of badly effecting your health it would not make sense that so many wheat-eating vegans and vegetarians are found to develop health conditions way less then meat-eaters
>>70238210
These ones >>70237230
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipopolysaccharide
>Lipopolysaccharides (LPS), also known as lipoglycans and endotoxins, are large molecules consisting of a lipid and a polysaccharide composed of O-antigen, outer core and inner core joined by a covalent bond; they are found in the outer membrane of Gram-negative bacteria, and elicit strong immune responses in animals.
>>70238521
Meanwhile : Of the 250 patients, 125 returned the questionnaire at an average of 75 days on fish oil. Seventy-eight percent were taking 1200 mg and 22% were taking 2400 mg of EFAs. Fifty-nine percent discontinued to take their prescription NSAID medications for pain. Sixty percent stated that their overall pain was improved, and 60% stated that their joint pain had improved. Eighty percent stated they were satisfied with their improvement, and 88% stated they would continue to take the fish oil. There were no significant side effects reported.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16531187
>>70214282
>the world's strongest animals are plant eaters. >gorillas, buffalo, and elephants
You know what else they are? Fucking gorillas, buffalo, and elephants. Their biology is fundamentally different.
Sure it's possible to be for humans to be vegetarian and also be strong, but saying "plants make you strong because these other herbivores are strong" is retarded. Different species are affected differently by certain diets. A carnivorous animal is not going to get stronger while fed only plants, despite the existence of gorillas, buffalo, and elephants.
>>70214282
>Conserves the environment
Nope, a well maintained pasture has a much healthier and more sustainable ecosystem then crop farms.
>>70238121
>hopped up on delusions of the benefits of damaging their bodies.
>people still insist being vegan is bad for the body when its been proven again and again by scientists from all over the world that its healthier
>>70238239
or you might get diabetes, or your you might develop joint issues and have trouble exercising and moving, or you might have a heart attack at 45 or 50, or you might develop a painful inflammatory condition like RA that makes life miserable, or you get cancer etc.
In the next 50 years there is likely to be so much research into extending peoples lifespans by a few decades and keeping people looking better and feeling great and younger that by eating a lot of meat you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot a bit.
There is a decent chance in 2050 that 75 and 80 year olds will look like their 50 and still be able to exercise hard and have great sex and stay intelligent. Even Trump is 69 now and he is doing great.
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>>70238595
You're conflating overeating with eating a balanced diet that contains meat. It's pretty hard for a vegan to overeat because of how low calorie their ingredients are. And it's a fact that wheat is more inflammatory.
>>70214282
Because I don't have to.
>>70238772
>I don't have to worry about inflammation-caused diseases because I'll just take fish oil :^)
kek, you do realize that its most major diseases that are caused by inflammation right? You can't beat Cancer and Alzheimers with fish oil.
>>70239204
I think we both agree the average american should eat more vegetables and homecooked meals, less red meat and carbs.
My health is pretty fucked lately but I used to be a drug addict and have also quit smoking.
I just don't agree with anything like keto/vegan/etc.. I just think you should stay away from processed foods and listen to your body essentially.
>>70238772
Nutrition science is a incredibly broad and complicated area, to the extent that you can find small scale studies proving virtually any correlation you want, especially when it's something as unscientific as "we sent questionnaires to a couple hundred people and half of them filled them out a few months later".
Real studies on fish oil have proven it to be useless at best:
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891
>Of the 3635 citations retrieved, 20 studies of 68,680 patients were included, reporting 7044 deaths, 3993 cardiac deaths, 1150 sudden deaths, 1837 myocardial infarctions, and 1490 strokes. No statistically significant association was observed with all-cause mortality; risk reduction, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, and stroke when all supplement studies were considered.
>CONCLUSION: Overall, omega-3 PUFA supplementation was not associated with a lower risk of all-cause mortality, cardiac death, sudden death, myocardial infarction, or stroke based on relative and absolute measures of association.
>>70214282
>Conserves the environment
HAHAHAAHHA
>>70239490
There's studies for everything...
But yeah, listen to body and eat less processed foods.
And watch out for that Sodium ya'll
>>70214436
>vegetables are for fags
Since when is cock a vegetable?
>>70228115
It is common knowledge that they euthanize animals in their custody.
However, the theft thing is rare occurrence and the instance the guy you're replying to posted is the only one I've heard of. However just because the Daily Mail reported on it doesn't mean it suddenly was wiped from history. Google it if you want a bunch of other sources.
>>70239316
My point was that in the studies that compared vegans/vegetarians with people eating a regular diet the vegans/vegetarians were at the lower risk of health issues. There isn't much reason to think that most of people in the control group were overeating wheat or that it was the major cause of the disparity in health outcomes. The evidence seems to point in the direction that its the meat that is the major issue.
>>70239477
>I think we both agree the average american should eat more vegetables and homecooked meals, less red meat and carbs.
I agree with this. Eating healthy and living a healthy lifestyle can help lessen the issues caused by occasional meat consumption. I'm not here to tell people to become vegan, 95% of my posts in this thread are just correcting stuff other people say that is false.
>>70214282
WHAT A KRILL
