Clinton just committed political suicide.
Politicize the death of dozens of children after her Wisconsin loss means doom for her campaign.
You know you're bat shit when even Bernie Sanders thinks you're retarded about guns.
Clinton can do no wrong.
Doesn't mean shit. Her camp is all about politicizing death.
>>70146140
Clinton is wrong incarnate.
She is completely insane.
>>70146326
Right and wrong is whatever the media decides.
>>70146069
Sanders has flip-flopped on this issue. He now supports lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Clinton is only bitching that he didn't flip-flop sooner.
>>70146412
Did the media decide to report anything about the speech she's giving right at this moment?
Liberals realize that guns are the low lying fruit, right? You want crazy people to settle for guns. You take those away, they'll go online and research explosives, gases, poisons, and other shit that'll bring their kills into the hundreds, even thousands.
>I want to be able to sue a company when people misuse the product and cause injury and/or death!
wat
Have we gone full onion?
>>70146532
Fucking this.
When someone is in a fucking frenzy, you give them something that they think would cause immense damage, but realistically would cause little in comparison to other options.
Let them cool off and take some time to calm down, and they'd find the most dangerous weapon available, and inflict damage guns cant even compare with.
>>70146532
The biggest school "Shooting" in history only had 1 or 2 deaths by gun. The rest were explosives
>>70146069
Wait can someone explain the difference in their views about guns or whatever Clinton is referencing about Sanders? I thought they were both a bunch commies that wanted to steal my Over-Reach-Of-Federal-Government-Prevention-Tools
Fucking hell man. I live in CT and I'm going to my pistol permit class on the 16h. I had to get some paperwork from the police department and the cop told me they go through a stack of them a day. They're getting so many people coming in that the normal six week background check is going to take three months because they're so backed up.
Sounds like Runaway Jury.
>>70147071
Both of them do, bernie is not as "extreme" as some of them though.
>>70147331
Thats BS though, its so shitty in this state. Legally after 8 weeks you can apply to permit board because they are delaying you. I learned cause they delayed 8 months ignoring my calls just because they didn't want to give one.
That's like suing a landlord because a serial killer rented out their apartment.
>>70147071
>Over-Reach-Of-Federal-Government-Prevention-Tools
>americans actually believe they would have a chance when they could just put you into jail for terrorism before you could rouse the masses against the gubmint
>americans would rather protect themselves against their shitty oligarchical government with violent shootouts than by electing non-shit people
shit nigga what are you doing.
>>70147772
How is he less extreme?
>>70145970
She's hardcore attacking Sanders, after he has literally never attacked her and is incapable of winning the nomination?
This means she's going to alienate Bernie voting shills and push them even more to Trump when Trump starts to attack her.
>>70147331
I used to be an 860'er myself... Left CT right before Sandy Hook.
I miss CT as much as I hate it. Fucking taxed out the ass, no rights, but it was home...
Also, fuck Hillary and fuck every piece of shit who supports her
>>70147071
Basically, the law is that you can not sue a manufacturer of a product for a criminal misuse of that product. That's common law and extends to any product.
In the 90s and 2000s Anti- gun activists were filing frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers hoping to bankrupt them in legal fees. In response in 2005 Congress passed the PLCAA, which codified the common law in regards to firearms, giving immunity to gun manufacturers. It does NOT give immunity of the manufacturer acted negligent in selling their product or whatever, it's purpose is pretty much just to protect against frivolous lawsuits that would have been thrown out anyway.
Bernie Sanders voted for it, and he got relentlessly attacked for it despite it being a completely reasonable and right position. Unfortunately he's backtracked on it.
>>70147071
The important thing to remember about Clinton is that she is not an ideologue, she is just in politics for the personal gain. All of her positions are fluid and change as necessary. Just 8 years ago she was pro-gun, anti-gay, supportive of bolstering police forces, and was against amnesty for illegal immigrants. She has done a complete 180 on almost every single position, Sanders is a complete joke for not attacking her on this shit.
>>70146532
>Japan has the strictest gun laws on earth
>also the only place on earth where terrorists attack civilians with nerve gas
this anon is on to something
>>70148109
>americans actually believe they would have a chance
they would have a chance.
if you know...apathy wasn't so popular in America.
>>70146069
Yeah but Sanders wants a blanket ban on ALL SEMI AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.
Based Clinton. She didn't commit political suicide at all because she will be running against Trump.
A literal bag of dog shit could run against Trump and it would still win.
>>70148109
The exposure that the system is getting this election is showing us we don't get to pick our leaders.
What do you do then?
>>70148815
They literally have the biggest whistleblowers in their history who exposed anti-constitutional activities by pseudo-governmental agencies wanted for treason.
Meanwhile hillary leaves secret emails unsecured [thank god otherwise we wouldn't know half of her scheming] and she just says 'oops'.
>>70146532
>Amerilards actually believe this
Where in any gun-free society has this ever happened? Acts of terror don't count.
>>70148738
How did they get fucking Sarin in the first place, or did they have their own chemist to make it? Wiki article says when Aum Shinrikyo's headquarters was raided they found chemical weapons, explosives and even a military helicopter.
>>70146485
Source on this?
>>70148822
I bet he doesn't even know what that means.
>>70149160
Oh wow, the cops found a bunch of prisoners in cell, millions in several different currencies, and enough precursor to make enough sarin to kill millions. What the fuck were these guys up to, and who funded them? It sounds like they could have taken over Japan.
>>70149160
I'm pretty sure they made it
>>70146532
>We barely have guns
>this doesn't happen
Look I don't agree with strict gun laws and disarming the population, but it's a fucking retarded argument.
>>70148447
>Unfortunately he's backtracked on it.
Has he? From what I understand, he made it quite clear he was not in support of suing gun manufacturers for a gun crime.
>>70149158
>Acts of terror don't count.
>Moving the goalposts before you even finish your question.
Damn son.
>>70145970
>SH
>Children killed
i love this meme
>>70149158
>>70149158
>acts of terror dont count
>>70149200
Of course not. His direct quote was "semi automatic weapons are only tools for killing", that was his justification. Its easy to infer his viewpoint on the 2nd amendment, he believes certain guns are "not for killing" and some are (the ones which would be most useful to prevent tyranny). This old kook talks a lot about "democratic" socialism, but everything he wants to do sounds exactly like Lenin, and despite what he says, the only way he could enact his plans (like blanket gun bans, or attempting to collect several trillion in taxes, not to pay off our debt, but to fund EVEN MORE HANDOUTS) would be through authoritarianism.
>>70148109
>implying there aren't millions of veterans & others who are possibly even more skilled fighters then a lot of the current militry personnel
>implying government would be able to imprison or even track that many of the rebels in a country of 300,000,000 people
>implying large portions of the military wouldn't defect
>implying we couldn't easily assasinate large portions of the high command
>implying rebels would ever need to worry about supplies such as ammo or food
>implying Russia wouldn't also be supporting us anyway
>implying rebels couldn't easily fuck up the power grid
>implying the government would ever significantly use airforce, bio/chem weapons, nukes, etc. at risk of killing civilians and turning more people & the international community against it, and also so it doesn't permanently fuck up the country its trying to run
>implying we aren't trying to avoid this by electing Trump instead of one of these fuckwits
>>70149497
Look in any modern society that bans guns, death by guns and homicides in general go down. Acts of terror don't count because they universally tend to use destruction and explosives whether or not guns are available.
>>70149158
>acts of terror don't count
>>70149158
>>70145970
Link?
>>70149524
It was LITERALLY another Shoah.
>>70149704
The point of an act of terror is to maximize death and destruction so obviously large scale attacks will be necessary. That's not what banning guns is supposed to prevent, it's supposed to prevent Jamar from going and holding up a convenience store.
>>70149044
Whatever you do you don't vote for "establishment cadidates" like the majority is still fucking doing.
Plus you should never let it have come to this.
You should've stopped such a system dead in its tracks.
Start a grassroots movement to get more and more people away from mainstream media. Efforts like this are the reason so many people are disillusioned today.
Also you could sue the american government at the SCOTUS. If that fails sue them at the international court of justice in den hague
>but wait the US has policies in place that if someone involved in a scandal would be detained for questionning in den hague, the military is automatically authorized to invade the netherlands.
>gg
so rather sue them at the international court of human rights in strasbourg for deceiving voters with an air of democracy, for not consistently applying the constitution, and for being controlled by extralegally operating agencies and businesses all over which also force the president and the senators to break their oath to serve america on multiple occasions, essentially giving way to exploitation of the people death of citizens, global suffering, without you being able to do anything about it.
If they agree, the US is either forced to change or will be unequivocally marked as the evil oligarchy it is leading to the collapse of the system.
If they don't agree they too are corrupt and the world is headed down the shitter.
>>70149841
>death by guns
yes, sometimes, not in places like Chicago
>homicides in general
No, gun bans have never had any effect on general violent crime, regardless of the weapon.
>>70150117
No, it's supposed to prevent John from defending himself from Jamar.
>>70150117
That is so disconnected from reality.
>>70150117
>The point of an act of terror is to maximize death and destruction so obviously large scale attacks will be necessary.
We already ban explosives that terrorists use and they somehow magically still use them in large scale bombings. Look at how great that works out.
>That's not what banning guns is supposed to prevent, it's supposed to prevent Jamar from going and holding up a convenience store.
Yet you faggots would argue that the TSA prevents 9/11 because no guns on airplanes. You won't be able to do this now, you especially won't be able to do it later with 3D printed guns.
>>70149704
Gun laws aren't going to stop a terrorist, they never have. Paris and Brussels both have stringent gun laws. Plus the real targets are infrastructure, not people, and bombs are the tool of choice for that. Millions of people without power and clean water for a week or two is a lot scarier than a bomb or mass shooting that kills a couple hundred.
>>70149158
>Acts of terror don't count
this is b8 right?
>prioritizing law over people
That's how it's supposed to work. No one is above the law.
>>70150049
Steve...is that you?
>>70149841
>what even is mexico
>>70150106
yes it was
now gib shekel plox
>>70149841
>homicides/suicides go down
WEW.
>australia bans guns
>crime stats immediately spike upwards
>>70149841
counterpoint: So?
Guns really do work to deter the state. SO they do work as a safeguard. Black Panthers used them succesfully to scare the cops into behaving.
>>70145970
She's a leftwing woman, she could denounce the jews and call the holocaust a hoax and still get away with it.
>>70148372
That's the plan
>>70150592
maybe
>>70145970
>Hey here's how we stop gun violence
>HURR DURR HOW DARE YOU POLITICIZE A TRAGEDY DURR FURRR HURRRR PSPOFPSOSDPOFOSDFPOSDFOPDSOFPOF
>>70149810
>implying there aren't millions of veterans & others who are possibly even more skilled fighters then a lot of the current militry personnel
grandpas with guns.
>implying government would be able to imprison or even track that many of the rebels in a country of 300,000,000 people
they don't need to. they just label them terrorists, and make them flee the country or imprison them one by one before the movement gets too big to control.
You literally already have every reason to immediately rise up against the government as it is violating international rights and the US constitution by accusing whistleblowers of high treason and signing military protection for the perpetrators of the unconstitutional shit.
it will not come to armed conflict in the first place is what i'm saying.
>implying large portions of the military wouldn't defect
hah. as if you couldn't just tell them that that city is overrun by turrist sleeper cells.
military indoctrination is a powerful thing.
>implying we couldn't assassinate
you can't assassinate shit.
political assassinations in the US are largely impossible as long as the secret service is there to protect people
>implying Russia
...
you're kidding right? they're the exact same type of oligarchical dictatorship except EVEN MORE ADVANCED.
russia would assist the government in a friendly agreement to help them bring "anarchist anti american infiltrator forces"[you] under control
>power grid
everyone can do that. and yet how many rebellions have actually succeeded thanks to that in recent years? none. because the rebels also can't coordinate or live a non shit life without power. your own family would turn you in because you'd force them to revert to the stone age.
>implying the government would use
not nukes, but they would use the airforce, as they could simply say that you are all terrorists,... and every media outlet would parrot it back. and it's not like the rest of the US cared about a little collateral damage
>>70149071
Americans are comfy, and so we have no reason to put ourselves into the line of fire.
The french revolted for a myriad of reasons, but the strongest motivator of violence is necessity. A person who lies makes me uncomfortable, but a person who makes me physically hungry is an enemy.
>>70149841
>death by guns and homicides in general go down
>>70145970
HIL YES
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>>70148372
>after he has literally never attacked her and is incapable of winning the nomination?
He's been attacking her a lot since Michigan since it gave his camp false hope that they could pull off the nomination. At this point she just wants to beat him decisively over the rest of the month, not counting Wyoming, to make him give up so she can shift her entire focus to the general election.
>>70150117
No. Banning guns is meant to make the populace easy to control and unable to resist an overreaching government. It is meant to make citizens weak and helpless so they depend on the police and government for their safety.
When I walk down a dark alley with my gun I am not afraid of shit. If I didn't have it I would have to be clutching my butthole with my phone in hand hoping a big scary man with an illegal gun doesn't try and penetrate my anus.
>>70150395
>3d printed guns
just like there is illegal content you can have and the feds will knock down your door for it, having the blueprints for a 3d printed gun would be reason enough for a search warrant
>>70149841
We should probably ban selling explosives as well, that will stop most terrorist attacks !
>>70151017
>a lunatic goes on a shooting spree
>the gun manufacturers should be held accountable give me money!!
By that logic alcohol, cars and knifes manufacturest should also be held accountable.
It makes no sense.
>>70149841
>Look in any modern society that bans guns, death by guns and homicides in general go down
Quite literally every example available shows that places that ban or make guns extraordinarily hard to get legally show zero deviation from current trends to crime and homicide.
Some places line Australia saw a short spike in crimes before they returned on their previous downward trend.
The idea that gun bans/massive restrictions on legal ownership does anything regarding reducing crime and homicide is climate change denial tier
With regard to proposed legislation enabling victims of gun violence to sue gun manufacturers, Sanders said, "If somebody has a gun and it falls into the hands of a murderer and the murderer kills somebody with a gun, do you hold the gun manufacturer responsible? Not any more than you would hold a hammer company responsible if somebody beats somebody over the head with a hammer." Sanders has said, "we have millions of people who are gun owners in this country -- 99.9% of those people obey the law. I want to see real, serious debate and action on guns, but it is not going to take place if we simply have extreme positions on both sides. I think I can bring us to the middle."[97]
>>70150117
>Jamar from going and holding up a convenience store.
jamar doesn't care about legal guns, as jamar is not eligible to wield a legal gun in the first place.
Jamar gets his gun from illigal channels and has it illigal
Jamar doesn't care about the law
Banning legal guns doesn't affect Jamar in the slighest way.
>>70150117
>That's not what banning guns is supposed to prevent, it's supposed to prevent Jamar from going and holding up a convenience store.
Yes but gun control makes a smuch sense towards this goal as attacking Mexico after Pearl harbor
>>70150140
>implying yurop has any power
Who do you think supports the UN and NATO? Who has the most money and firepower? In the end its the man with the biggest gun that rules the world and the elites that control the US definitely hold the biggest gun of all. The American soldier. I doubt the German court would ever take the case either out of fear or because the same people that would be put on trial control the court.
I'm not saying the system is unstoppable, but even if that did succeed there would surely be protests but after a couple years if not 6 months, everyone would forget about it and no real changes would be made. just like what happened in the Edward Snowden incident.
The world is controlled through violence, so if we want to take the system down thats not gonna happen unless we commit real violence towards the owners of the system. I'm talking assassinations, bombings, mass executions, witch trial shit, fucking revolution. Only at the end of all that we will have victory over the system.
>>70151062
>grandpas with guns
>grandpas
top kek
>they don't need to. they just label them terrorists, and make them flee the country or imprison them one by one before the movement gets too big to control.
They can't even control niggers and you think they'll be able to control "terrorists?" Just look at Waco and Ruby Ridge, those were unmitigated disasters. Even the Oregon shit was rough, and the rebels didn't even fire back!
>hah. as if you couldn't just tell them that that city is overrun by turrist sleeper cells.
This would work for the first Op, after that people will start asking questions. The military could be mislead, sure, I know plenty of people that could be, but 90% of us adamantly do not want to hurt US Civilians. In a Civil War you need complete loyalty and even that small crack is a huge deal.
>you can't assassinate shit.
Yes they can. He's not talking about politicians like the President or whomever-the-fuck - no one cares about them in a civil war scenario except as a figurehead. He means people like high-ranking Officers, who aren't very well protected, honestly.
>they would use the air force
You seem to think this would be a conventional war. It would not be.
>>70150896
What if it's actually Hillary who's the Trump plant...
>>70151967
It makes absolutely perfect sense when you understand that gun control is the ends, not the means.
To the citizen, gun violence is the problem and gun ownership restriction is viewed as the solution.
To the government, gun violence is irrelevant or a boon, and gun ownership is the problem.
>>70146801
Wasn't this already ruled on too?
>>70151889
Actually Jamar cares quite a bit about legal guns.
Gun control is basically what OSHA would support if being a criminal was a legitimate job and under their jurisdiction
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/06/25/study-using-guns-for-defense-leads-to-fewer-injuries
>Citing four separate studies between 1988-2004, the assessment from the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council says crime victims who use guns in self-defense have consistently lower injury rates than victims who use other strategies to protect themselves (other strategies include stalling, calling the police or using weapons such as knives or baseball bats).
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense
>Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/commsumm.nsf/b4a3962433b52fa787256e5f00670a71/5de089825c00843e872579b80079912d/$FILE/SenState0305AttachB.pdf
>Upon interviewing convicted felons, these researchers found that
>74% indicated that burglars avoided occupied dwellings, due to fears of being shot
>57% said that most criminals feared armed citizens more than the police
>40% of the felons had been deterred from committing a particular crime, because they believed that the potential victim was armed
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
http://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Armed-Resistance-to-Crime.pdf
http://libertyfirearmstraining.com/blog/2013/05/16/criminals-fear-armed-citizens-more-than-they-do-the-police/
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>>70145970
>"babortions were settled in the Supreme Court in 1973. The Republicans need to stop bringing it up!" t. liberals
>Liberals haven't given up on civilian disarmament for over over 70 years despite dozens of supreme court rulings defending the private ownership of firearms, defining militias, and explaining to libs that no... the 2nd isn't about muskets
Every single nogunz lib needs executed for treason.
>>70152288
This single post BTFO gun control morons so hard they won't even respond to it directly
>>70152137
>To the citizen, gun violence is the problem and gun ownership restriction is viewed as the solution.
Again this makes as much sense as attacking Mexico after Pearl harbour because gun control does absolutely nothing to reduce crime or homicide and even has a net negative effect.
http://www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/
>>70152621
Yes, but it doesn't matter because you're arguing on a false narrative. The government's reason for wanting to restrict guns and their minions' reason for wanting to restrict guns are completely different.
When you even entertain debate about whether or not gun crime will rise or lower, you're arguing in your enemy's terms by refusing to name the Devil when you see it.
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>>70152137
To a liberal "gun violence" is a problem - not "violence."
To a liberal homicides going up is still considered a good thing as long as the criminals are killing and raping without using a gun.
We've seen it time and time again when countries or even US cities pass restrictive gun laws. More people become victims. They brag about a decrease in "gun crimes..." yet never "crimes." Your life literally is meaningless to a liberal if your death did not help promote one of their agendas.
Liberal is a mental illness.
>>70152137
>To the citizen, gun violence is the problem and gun ownership restriction is viewed as the solution.
only to retards who never read anything more then the headline of news.
When you actually ready the news and read about crimes where weapons where involved most of the time its illegal guns. The most common thing where you see legal guns involved is suicide, murder/suicide and this crimes would happen with our without guns.
>>70152031
not yurop but those courts.
>>70152031
>The world is controlled through violence,
i disagree
the world is controlled through money. and idiots believing that violence can be an answer are just making actual solutions impossible.
>witch trial shit, fucking revolution
>plus that pic
are you 14? or are you just that immature
>>70152056
>They can't even control niggers and you think they'll be able to control "terrorists?"
not what i said at all.
they'll just label you terrorists like they did with snowden and co.
and then they arrest you for treason and you get locked away. no one will even care.
>even that small crack is a huge deal.
yes but the first OP is all that it would take
you underestimate how awful it would be for the civilians seeing their loved ones get shot because they are "terrorists"
they would immediately question te cause, and think things like:
-was he really only out for the good of his country? i mean the military shot him and he was a white guy
-he was shooting at "our brave boys in the army" he's obviously an immoral asshole
-i don't want to end up like him
-hmmm either risk getting shot in the streets or go back to having a not very good government... which do i pick?
what i'm saying is: an armed conflict would immediately make you lose most of your supporters as well.
But as i sad before it's unlikely it would even come to that. You'd be no platformed / jailed before you could rouse any resistance.
It's one thing fantasizing about this, but just go and tell your neighbor right now that you want violent armed resistance against the government instead of voting and see what happens.
Unless the government is literally going to come knocking on the door to take everyones firstborn child away so that the president can bathe in their blood, people couldn't be assed.
They care about nice sounding ideals and having a feeling of normalcy.
Actually upholding those would be inconvenient
>high brass
would obviously not be living near you
>>70152621
yeah that study is most likely misquoted and there are numerous other studies analyzing the fact that gun violence went down everywhere guns were banned.
>>70145970
Don't ever talk to me or my bushmaster ever again!
>>70153415
pip'd
>>70152982
>The government's reason for wanting to restrict guns and their minions' reason for wanting to restrict guns are completely different.
There isn't one "ebul gubmit trying to take our guns and enslave us" it really is just retarded politicians pandering to retarded constituents that truly think gun control will reduce crime to get reelected.
Some are actually malevolent but the vast majority is just a reflection of a retarded constituency
She looks so unwell. Is she ok.
>>70147071
They're trying to out-pander each other.
That usually causes polarization and puts people off.
>>70153532
If the leaders are malevolent than so are the slaves. Who gives a shit how many one-term irrelevant politicians who never join the deep state support gun control because of misguided ideology?
>>70153292
>there are numerous other studies analyzing the fact that gun violence went down everywhere guns were banned
There have been about 29 major studies(which that link is a compilation of all of them) and around 5 found that conclusion and that conclusion was a hair over margin of error standards.
The overwhelming majority found the opposite true and the rest found zero correlation.
>>70153532
>that truly think gun control will reduce crime
because it has done so in every single place it was implemented in NORMALLY.
>>70151062
>grandpas with guns
Look at the modern KKK, or the oregon occupiers, or really any tea party or Trump rally. There is plenty of young people who would fight, especially since we have all those Iraq vets. Even if it was just grandpas they would still be effective in combat anyway.
>implying we've crossed the breaking point yet
>implying trying to hunt down a couple whistle blowers is enough to start a revolution
Thankfully we haven't passed the point of no return yet. That is why we are still allowed to have guns, because the people in power no they would've crossed a line if they made them illegal. They are trying to slowly condition the population into thinking they should be made illegal though. If some truly major event such as making fire arms illegal or something along those lines were to happen, at this point at least, I gurantee a lot of people would rise up against the government, and the internet would make this labeling of us as terrorists insignificant, as these hundreds of thousands if not millions of people would broadcast their voice globally.
>russia would assist the government in a friendly agreement to help them bring "anarchist anti american infiltrator forces"[you] under control
I don't disagree that Russia has a oligarchical societal structure, but at least under Putin anyway its been shown the people running Russia's interest diverge from those running America. They want to reestablish Russia as a super power and there would be no better way then supporting rebels against the current super power.
>>70147037
Not sure if b8 but 14 people died of gunshots at colombine including Eric and Dylan.
>>70153792
>because it has done so in every single place it was implemented in NORMALLY.
[Citation needed]
Every place it has been implemented in crime rate have made either zero deviation from current trends or saw a spike in crime for a couple of years followed by a return to trends before gun control was enacted.
If you actually took the time to read any peer reviewed study on the subject or even look at easily available data you'd see this but doing so absolutely breaks down the idea of gun control which as I said before is at the same level as climate change denial.
>>70154081
Columbine wasn't the deadliest massacre at a school.
That was the bathe school bombing
>>70153160
>the world is controlled through money.
What is fiat currency? What keeps people from printing American dollars? What prevents insider trading? What prevents foreign manipulation of the markets? What enforces the value of money?
The men holding the guns.
>>70149160
its made by reacting methylphosphonyl difluoride with isopropyl alcohol. the alcohol you can buy in a chemists but the methylphosphonyl difluoride is the hard part.
>>70150896
She'll attack anyone and kiss any ass to win
>>70149841
>deaths by guns go down
and deaths by sharp and blunt objects goes up
>>70145970
Obama politicized the death of citizens every other week.
>>70153753
Or it is just the manifestation of wide spread stupidity and ignorance.
Considering even the people who are pushing gunncontrol don't even know what they're talking about and come off as blithering fucking retards the ideocracy argument is more likely.
A few examples
If you ban them in the future, the number of these high-capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available."
https://youtu.be/iJmFEv6BHM0
As two of many examples
No.
Clinton could eat a baby live during a debate, and liberals would just shrug their shoulders and "well at least she's not as bad as Trump"
>>70154316
That study s by US states. Any US citizen could get a gun fairly easily if they really want one. Diverging gun laws aren't going to make a difference on a state by state basis, but by country you can see clear differences.
>>70153932
>Look at the modern KKK, or the oregon occupiers, or really any tea party or Trump rally. There is plenty of young people who would fight, especially since we have all those Iraq vets. Even if it was just grandpas they would still be effective in combat anyway.
the veterans back in the military had equipment and intel and leaders available.
veterans now do not.
Plus again, it will not come to combat.
>KKK
really nigger? you're giving the KKK as a good example?
>implying we have crossed the breaking point
>implying there is one
>as these hundreds of thousands if not millions of people would broadcast their voice globally.
even on this fucking board not everyone is so fucking retarded as to believe the government wants to take your guns away because they're a monolithical evil thing that is afraid of you.
>supporting rebels.
wtf.
the oligarchical entities in russia rely on trade with megacorporations which is only enabled through absolutely rampant corruption and reinless capitalism.
it's not king vs another king
it's more like someone trying to buy someone elses land. sure you could burn it down, but that wouldn't help you.
russia isn't only a competitor it's economically codependent.
plus a strong america that isn't exclusively run by corporate interests is less predictable and more of a risk to russia's position.
>>70154316
>If you actually took the time to read any peer reviewed study on the subject or even look at easily available data you'd see this
i did.
and even in the picture you posted a slight downwards trend is visible with increasing gun control.
it doesn't break the idea of gun control, it reinforces it.
and the tendency is always falling because of more police officers, but the point is without new guns getting into circulation current firearms will mostly not be usable in 50 years, so the downward trend the rates return to after the spike will only get more extreme.
>>70154542
fiat currency and economic laws are set by the rich
>>70153292
link one
faggot
>>70146485
>He now supports lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
Fuck off hillary defense force
>>70148822
you don't need a semi automatic weapon
you want a gun enjoy your nugget
>>70145970
Damn, first this bitch was whupped by a nigger. Now she's being whupped by an old kike. Something tells me she likes it. That's why she married Bill.
>>70155059
>muh iron pipeline
Then why aren't guns a problem in places they are easily available?
> but by country you can see clear differences.
This is a flat out lie
This standard of no correlation between Firearms and crime/homicide applies to the entire world over.
>>70149841
>homicides in general
But they literally don't
>>70145970
>This will be the end of her campaign says increasingly nervous Trump supporter for the seventh time...
>>70149158
>acts of terror don't count
>also I will be classifying any attack that didn't use guns as an act of terror!
>Columbine wasn't a failed bombing
>the Japanese sarin gas attack was some kinda political statement by Jap Muslims or something
Did somebody see a goalpost around here, could have sworn it was right here when you started that post.
>>70155205
>you don't need a semi automatic weapon
says who, also every pistol is semi auto nowadays.
>>70155090
>and even in the picture you posted a slight downwards trend is visible with increasing gun control.
>I cannot read the graph
>circulation current firearms will mostly not be usable in 50 years, so the downward trend the rates return to after the spike will only get more extreme.
Or it could have nothing to do with firearms and many other factors like the massive increase in living standards which is what the evidence shows.
>>70147071
They both do. But comrade Bernie is a counter revolutionary who participated in subversive activities with the hated capitalists and isnt as progressive as chairman hillary.
Remember: the left always eats its own. The gays, the trannies, the blacks, they will all be lined up next to the cis gendered white bigots and shot in the back of the head for the same made-up reasons.
>>70149425
Timothy McVeigh would disagree with you. Blew up a building with cow manure like come on
>>70149425
Or maybe your average Muslim refugee/Chav haven't worked out the kinks in bomb making and so stick to stabbing fools... like what happens over there quite frequently for a """""progressive society free of hate and unnecessary weaponry""""" or you could just look at your own history with groups like the IRA. Dismissing that anon's argument, that has real world examples, because Ahmed hasn't gassed you this week isn't a sound argument either.
gun violence =/= murder rate
the murder rate might only decrease slowly.
gun violence/misuse decreases sharply
>>70155097
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/12/6/365.short
http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/26/2/575.short
http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=192444
https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=58wgsjRT8scC&oi=fnd&pg=PA45&dq=gun+violence+goes+down+after+banning+guns&ots=KOe9DWMNe5&sig=BRg0QTNzpaDi8qZQG3apWMF_vnU&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/155/5/406.full
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/07418829500096241#.VwWROVV97IU
>>70155859
firearm homicide deaths=/=gun crime
>cant read the graph
least restrictive(0) highest homicide rate (average 3.5)
most restrictive (85) lowest homicide rate (3)
>>70149158
>American flag
>Amerilards
Go fuck yourself
Bernie's response:
>apologize to all the Iraq War veterans
>>70155859
>Gun crime goes down at the same time the crime omnibus, which included an assault weapons ban, is passed
>>70148109
>what is American history
They got their independence from the British using guns and canons and gunpowder.
They'd be stupid not to want to keep guns to protect from a government that doesn't represent them.
>>70149158
>Where in a gun-free society do these awful things happen?
>Except for all the times that theyve happened
I bet you went to public school
>>70154431
OK but you originally said School Shooting. Now you are saying School Massacre?
Make up your mind
>>70148109
>>70148815
>shit nigga what are you doing.
not being invaded by 4 million rapefuges like your country is, you fucking cuck.
having weapons carries with it the threat of force. This prevents the government from going to far and forcing them to make changes slowly while appealing to the population over time, unlike in your two countries where your government does whatever the fuck it wants and completely strips you of all your rights. Pretty soon you are going to have to pay a shitposting license to go with your tv licenses.
>>70155562
I'd say gun bans do reduce total homicides a bit because it's easier to kill with a gun than another weapon.
Of course the actual root of the problem is people wanting to kill, which gun grabbers completely ignore.
>>70155205
Liberals want to ban those too=.
>>70152126
hillary has been slitting throats and buying votes for the past 40 years all in preparation for becoming the first woman president. There's no telling what crazy shit she might do if she isnt elected.
>>70156207
>firearm homicide deaths=/=gun crime
>cherrypicking one form of crime and ignoring all crime
See
>>70152994
Way to utterly discredit yourself from any honest conversation.
>>70156207
>least restrictive(0) highest homicide rate (average 3.5)
most restrictive (85) lowest homicide rate (3)
>clearly shows no correlation within margin of error
>DC with the highest gun control has the highest murder rate
>>70156495
Learn to read. IDs.
And what makes school shootings worse than school massacres in general?
Is 14 kids shot worse than the 30+ killed by a bomb?
>>70145970
>law passes
>niggers start suing gun manufacturers like crazy after getting shot
>suddenly gun manufacturers stop selling to niggers
>crime drops dramatically
Sounds good honestly.
>>70155090
>veterans now do not
Veterans are fucking just as capable as when they were in the military. Most of them own guns, and a lot of them are better marksmen then when they were in the military since they've had more time to practice. A lot of them also end up joining a local militia which would be on the frontlines. I used kkk as an example b/c they would also be on the frontlines and a lot, possibly a majority of their recruits are veterans.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXIYQxMN9-4
>implying there is one
There is always a breaking point. The only time there isn't one is when its already been crossed. Even now look at the rise of Trump. People are clearly nearing the breaking point at the very least.
>plus a strong america that isn't exclusively run by corporate interests is less predictable and more of a risk to russia's position.
Russia interests lie in taking America's spot as the middle east's most powerful player for its own corporations and pipelines. A weakened America that they possibly hold some influence in due to their support would be in their best interests. You can already see this somewhat with Putin's support of Trump.
>fiat currency and economic laws are set by the rich
They have the power to do this because they feed the men with guns. If they didn't then them and their money would have no power.
>>70156327
>because it worked 300 years ago it works the same nowadays
a) you can't protect yourself from your government with guns. this is immediately obvious from the reasons i've elaborated on previously
b) focusing on "muh guns" allows the government to get away with insane shit as long as your guns are safe because you're being deluded by "well if it gets too bad i an defend myself"
c) focusing the debate on gun restriction or gun freedom means drawing attention away from vastly more important things that could actually help with the sources of violence
d) focusing the debate on gun control draws attention away from the failings of the politics
>>70156512
i'm not currently living in germany i'm half hungarian (as my flag shows)
the only country that held up the laws right from the start of the migrant crisis.
without violence.
without guns.
still no migrant rape here.
the tv licenses are atrocious, but we have the option to at least elect people who could change something about that. merkel probably wont be reelected. it's not just corporate candidate 1, corporate candidate 2, crazy billionaire, literal communist in the selection.
>>70156671
honestly i know exactly what shell do: go back to making speeches for 200k a pop and run in 2020.
>>70145970
Here is related thread.
>>70134443
>>70134443
>>70134443
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these are older related:
>>70132613
>>70132613
>>70132613
>>69873056
>>70152294
>>"babortions were settled in the Supreme Court in 1973. The Republicans need to stop bringing it up!" t. liberals
the irony being that its liberals who keep bringing it up. Specifically, the aboriton meme started in the 1990s during clinton's first bid for president. His political advisers told him to politicize abortion in order to split the white christian voting block, because catholic religious dogma specifically prohibits abortion while the other denominations dont have any specific prohibitions against it at the church level.
Its democrats that march women out and tell them to shake their vaginas, to tell women that its their right to murder their unborn children for any reason, rather than treat it like a regular medical procedure that really isnt anyones business.
>>70156520
>I'd say gun bans do reduce total homicides a bit because it's easier to kill with a gun than another weapon
Evidence completely contradicts this.
>>70156315
You should inform the CDC DoJ and FBI because they all found that the assult weapons ban had zero effect on crime
>>70156700
>DC with the highest gun control has the highest murder rate
funny thing that basically shows minimal gun control might takes away a bit of this, but after a certain point it does nothing at all.
>>70156575
>a damn cheap reliable gun that will put a crater in your house
>fetish rifle
>>70145970
Obama has been doing that for over 3 years and he's fine.
Stop pretending to know shit about our political process.
>>70156893
The KKK is a few dozen FBI agents and 3 actual members anon
>>70157010
>2020.
When she's 73? Unlikely. Even Ronald Regan was only 69 when elected.
>>70157161
Proof? I'm not saying gun grabbing works, I'm saying killers are less effective at killing people when they use a knife or bat vs a gun.
>>70157277
a gun can be a symbol just as much as a weapon, like how glocks symbolise niggetry or m16's symbolise americans in 'nam
>>70156575
>fetish gun
Unless I have a boner for vodka or hardwood thats completely wrong
She already lost a lot of votes with "Mah precious blacks" ad-campaign.
>>70157607
>I'm saying killers are less effective at killing people when they use a knife or bat vs a gun.
Most serial killers don't use guns. Will a little emo kid kill more people with his naruto sword than a cheap gun? Probably not. But a motivated person could easily wipe out an entire school building with some kind of poison or bomb. The idea that disarming people makes them safer is complete nonsense, and this is reflected by the actions of our own politicians: they walk around surrounded by armed men.
Just browse through this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims
Lots of mass murderers using hammers, bats, knives, killing 50 or more people while living in countries with strict gun control.
>>70148471
>Sanders is a complete joke for not attacking her on this shit.
he wanted more goy money.
>>70156700
you are not understanding what i write.
you said the gun homicides were going down.
people said gun violence wasn't going down (which it isn't)
>>70154316
i don't know about DC but the highest gun control on that graph has a murder rate of 3... the highest homicide rate is in some place with 10/85.
the best you can do might be "no correlation" but the crime rate won't increase because of gun control.
>>70156893
>just as capable
yes them personally but not as combat effective.
if you think the individual capability is what makes a unit combat effective and not intel, equipment, special training and teamwork, then you've gotten into the wrong century.
trump isn't a breaking point.
trump is a way for the establishment to let off steam.
because even if he doesn't win, most of the furious anger of the anti PC crown will have been spend and they will resign to tired apathy
>putin's support for trump
what
also it's in no ones interest to wage a war against people you have an economic codependency with.
it's much better to just buy up your competitors intact. which is what china is doing.
and which is why russia would try to help the american government prevent open conflict and civil war.
>because men with guns.
some of them don't have those and still hold the most power.
i know it's nice to fantasize about being important but every single person with a gun would starve to death if the rich so demanded.
and again:
>>70156981
>>70145970
nice false flag you got there, Chillary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3QTCh3BLNE
>>70158055
>Most serial killers don't use guns.
and to continue that train of thought: the whole point of fire arms is to allow unskilled/physically weaker people be effective. WHether it be in the military, or self-defense. People who are dedicated murders, the kinds of people who are physically strong, have no problem picking up any kind of weapon and killing someone else. But it's fire arms that are the great equalizer, that allow weaker people, such as women or the elderly, defend themselves from strong, more vicious people.
The left likes to pretend that guns are this backwards, barbaric killing tool, but the truth is the exact opposite. Fire arms are the great equalizer, that give the weak and helpeless a fighting chance.
>>We should abort unborn children
>>blame gun manufacturers for people
And people still vote for this genius
>>70157817
>glocks symbolise niggetry
You're thinking of cheap mouse guns and ghetto blasters like tec9s and mac10/11s
>>70157161
>not posting a theory of correlation
correlations are a possible way to substantiate proof for a theory, not in itself a goal.
in the studies i linked here:
>>70156207
the correlation between gun violence (not homicides which is a more convenient statistic for fucking NRA freaks) is analyzed in depth.
What a sleazy cunt.
She has a massive lead and is still demonizing the Bernmeister.
Here's to hoping Sanders steals the nomination from this cunt.
>>70151092
Take it further than 04
>>70158640
This
Literally what is she doing
She just needs to keep her mouth shut and wait it out
She only stands to lose when she speaks because people will actually see her for what she really is: a lying corrupt slut
>>70158211
>you said the gun homicides were going down.
>people said gun violence wasn't going down (which it isn't)
You clearly can't read
Crime is going down across the board but the retarded population still thinks it is going up
>but the crime rate won't increase because of gun control.
So at the very vey best on your side if the argument is that gun control won't do anything bad but there is no evidence of it doing anything good.
Considering heavy restrictions on people's rights for absolutely no benefit is retarded at best and horrendously tyrannical at worst doing nothing is much better than something bad aka gun control.
And you still have refused to acknowledge the study posted proving your wrong only a one sentence ad hominem attack.
>>70155521
>This standard of no correlation between Firearms and crime/homicide applies to the entire world over.
>>70158579
>the correlation between gun violence (not homicides which is a more convenient statistic for fucking NRA freaks) is analyzed in depth.
>cherrypicking one form of data not crime and homicide as a whole is for "freaks" because it absolutely deconstructs my position and certainly isn't how a nonbiased analysis of crime and homicide is done
Yeah we get it you're a faggot.
I also find it morraly reprehensible that you're suggesting that people being stabbed and beaten to death is not as bad as an identical number of people being shot while having the nerve to call others "freaks"
>>70151062
>grandpas with gun
what is war on terror what is desert storm. all those vets are 50 and under
>Muh whistleblower
you realize he not only stole secrets about the NSA but tons of shit he didn't even know what it was? and then ran to Russia with it. lets be honest hes a traitor and the NSA was just a convenient scapegoat to make himself seem like less then one
>military indoctrination is a powerful thing.
as an airmen one of the main things was that only LEGAL orders are to be followed and that any order that involves shooting US citizens will probably be ignored
>you can't assassinate shit
who is JFK?
>russia would assist the government
russia wouldnt help the US find its own dick
>use the airforce
the implications of using airpower on its own people would couse an uprising alos how can the media do shit if no power
no please go back to your shit country and let the 1st worlds talk
>>70158994
Thanks for furthering my point and posting the same data I already did which supports my point dumbass
>>70158678
unarmed robbery is not a fucking problem because it's not life endangering.
also
>violent crimes increase because you're a continent of savages
>but murders don't increase because guns are banned
i'd say they did a damn good job.
you cannot equate assault with murder, and you cannot equate gun homicide with gun violence.
fact is
-gun homicides (and usually crime rates) go down naturally, gun violence doesn't.
-gun violence is always down after gun bans
-and thanks to most of the assault being done with less lethal weapons, the deaths due to gun violence or gun misuse also always sink significantly after bans.
>>70158976
no.
look at your own fucking graph.
>rate of firearm homicide deaths
vs
>number of gun crimes
there was a peak in the 90s but otherwise it's increasing / staying the same depending on the time scale
>>70158976
>there is no evidence of it doing anything good.
the evidence of it doing good outside of the US is linked here
>>70156207
and even inside the US you can't show me that it wouldn't work
so the only reason you want to keep the guns is because you buy into the illusion that you could protect yourself from the government.
it's a lot like giving someone a not loaded gun
they will immediately feel more confident and less oppressed, even though they wouldn't be able to do shit.
>>70159208
>cherrypicking homicides as the only source of how bad guns are is totally rational
yeah go fuckyourself with a loaded gun.
and i find you reprehensible for thinking that people being stabbed is as bad as people being shot even though stabbing is mostly less lethal.
>>70158994
stop cherrypicking your fucking axes. all gun deaths count.
and all gun violence counts
not just 'gun homicides'
>>70158211
>if you think the individual capability is what makes a unit combat effective and not intel, equipment, special training and teamwork, then you've gotten into the wrong century.
As I mentioned in my text lots of them have joined militias and organizations similar to that.
>trump isn't a breaking point. trump is a way for the establishment to let off steam. because even if he doesn't win, most of the furious anger of the anti PC crown will have been spend and they will resign to tired apathy
I never said he was a breaking point I just said he was a sign of one coming. Also you're being unrealistic if you think things are just going to go back to business as usual after this election.
>putin's support for trump
here: http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump/
What you falsely believe is that all the elites around the world are the same people and that they are all completely nihilistic people that only care about money. That clearly wouldn't be true since the Jewish elites have spent so much on creating their own state of Israel. The Russian elites are entirely different people from their American counterparts. Many of them still have a sense of nationalism and hold a grudge for America over the Soviet collapse. You speak of all this codependence yet Russia has consistently taken nationalistic actions over the past decade that have driven away international trade in the hopes of the revitalization of power of their country. Partly yes for greater access to resources. Not to mention they have provided a safe haven for one of your whistle blowers. If given the chance to alleviate American military presence around the world the would grab it.
>some of them don't have those and still hold the most power.
Who?
>i know it's nice to fantasize about being important but every single person with a gun would starve to death if the rich so demanded.
The man with the gun was starving because there were enough other men with guns being fed.
>>70145970
This isn't political suicide because nobody will see it, because Berniefags agree with her, and because Bernie won't go after her for it.
>>70145970
>SUE GUN MANUFACTURERS FOR MAKING GUNS!
kek
>>70159333
Well then I was supporting your point to begin with so why were you arguing against me fucktard?
>>70145970
>i dont know what super delegates are
>>70149841
Why not ban murder?
>>70160641
I agree with you, that's what I was showing you lol
These stats were being talked about during a lefty aussie show called insight where the PM that enacted the gun laws talked openly about talking advantage of the massacre for his political agenda.
All the laws have done is stop people who follow the law.. not criminals.
This isn't an NRA meme, these stats show that.
>>70159235
>desert storm
intel
planning
other military assets
not just guns
he didn't run to russia immediately only after he was wanted for treason
>let's be honest he's a traitor
okay so he's a traitor, but the NSA violating your constitution in every orifice like some muslim rapists is just a poor scapegoat.
how's it feel to be a shill?
>as an airman
AAAAHHHH well that explains that type of indoctrination.
you actually believe that the NSA was a scapegoat and the guy exposing them (running to the brits first) is a traitor, while the entire fucking civilized world is against you and even most of your country is and you say you're not being indoctrinated?
>jfk
is this the 60s? no.
>russia wouldn't
unless their own financial interests (like the political say of megacorporations they are partnered with) was endangered.
>cause uprising.
no. they would be labellled terrorists and the brave heroic americans who died in that airstrike would be collateral.
>>70161255
>militias and organizations similar to that.
are not the US military.
have not got the intel or coordination capabilities of the US military.
practically all combat is coordinated through sat nowadays at some point or the other, and that after you already have intel.
> Also you're being unrealistic if you think things are just going to go back to business as usual after this election.
yeah let me guess 'it's happening for realz this time'
>putin and trump
that's an interesting turn of events thanks!
>that they are all completely nihilistic people that only care about money.
no proof against this.
>the same people
no but they often have vested interest in the same things
military conflict is only an option in places where you can't buy things because people wouldn't sell it to you.
... you're right about the nationalistic decisions in russia though.... i guess i didn't really account for putin.
>Who?
literally every EU politician.
>starving
because he didn't get paid and can't do business alone
>>70162226
taking*
>>70162226
... but it IS an NRA meme
what i'm saying and what i posted is precisely that they WERE effective in stopping criminals
look at what i wrote again
>unarmed robbery in your picture is not a problem so that's irrelevant
>assault is unrelated to guns so that's irrelevant
>the relative use of knifes for homicide shows that banning guns has been effective in getting guns out of the hands of people which is good because attacks with knives have a higher chance of being survivable than attacks with guns
>violent crime rates go up because you are savages, but gun control has at least made the firearm homicide rate drop.
>>70161074
All gun deaths don't count retard, you can just as easily commit suicide by just about anything else, and if someone wants to do it they're going to do it anyway.
The only thing comparable between countries is not "gun deaths" it's homicide rate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
If you remove the blacks you end up with an American homicide rate comparable to most of Europe, even including all other racial groups.
Of course you know this and you're just being retarded on purpose.
>>70156981
Your people will be attacked by Jihadis and then your argument is dead as well. No one will be able to fire back - it will be paris all over again.
>>70149841
If we go by your retarded logic, we need to ban anything that could kill so we could live peacefully, which is about almost everything.
>>70162882
>Robbery is not relevant
>Assault isn't relevant
>Using terms like "firearm homicide"
Are your trolling or just stupid?
>>70162983
>>All gun deaths don't count retard, you can just as easily commit suicide by just about anything else, and if someone wants to do it they're going to do it anyway.
absolutely false
guns facilitate it.
if you feel particularly shit it's easier to take the gun out of the safe load it and pull the trigger and be done with it
than to set up some rig to suffocate in the car
or hang yourself painfully causing your lots of suffering and potentially survive and be a vegetable
>if you remove the blacks.
but you don't.
you have a large part of your populace who are complete retards. you have to fucking deal with that and adjust to that.
>>70163250
but they won't because we check on the people who immigrate and don't just allow everyone in.
plus anti terror here is actually working despite their hilarious fuckups and arms dealers are regularly caught.
also the police in germany aren't underfunded undertrained pieces of shit, so they would be able to arrive in a minute and fire back.
>>70163488
no but we should ban everything that is specifically designed for the purpose of killing a person when we have things available that can incapacitate a person with the same reliability without killing them.
Everything is starting to come together now. Remember /pol/ is always WRONG.
gonna be a sander/kasich general cant wait gee goly
>>70163647
>firearm homicide
was literally written in your fucking statistics you absolute idiot.
assault isn't relevant, because it hasn't got anything to do with firearms and no one claimed it does.
unarmed robbery doesn't have anything to do with firearms either
>>70152126
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>>70163659
>guns facilitate it
Then what the fuck are all these countries with lower gun ownership rates doing with higher suicide rates than the united states? USA is 50th on that list per capita. You don't even address the actual statistics.
>>70163785
Firearm homicide is a loaded term meant to mislead the public into thinking that banning firearms leads to a decrease in general homicides.
>inb4 nuh-uh!
It's a loaded statistic.
>>70146069
Bernie only did what he did to get elected again. He has no love for guns.
>>70145970
You know you're fucked both Berniebois and Trumpets hate you even more than they hate one another.
>>70161074
>complains about people cherrypicking
>is cherrypicking "gun deaths"
Nigger
>>70145970
>implying Soros won't buy the Presidency for her
>>70145970
>prioritizing people's rights is now a bad thing
Kek, every Hillary supporter I know including my parents have something "off" about them. My mom dreams about Indian spirit guardians and exploding popcorn people and she thinks Hillary is saving women from evil sexism.
>>70160641
you keep using the word guns before violence. I believe you need to re evaluate.
>>70163906
...
are you absolutely retarded?
the fact that guns make suicide easier doesn't mean that people having guns will definitely commit more suicides
it just means that if two nations are similarly depressed the one with the guns would have more suicides because it's a really quick mostly painless and irrecoverable thing.
>>70163984
>firearm homicide
it's a term to differentiate between firearm and non firearm homicide.
it's not a fucking loaded term
you're beginning to sound like some feminist.
>>70164102
gun deaths is the most general statistic i could find.
if you can find me global statistics on 'gun incidents' including accidental, homicide, suicide gun deaths, as well as assault with a gun, aggravated assault with a gun, armed robberies etc all smashed into one statistic
(= all the bad things that have to do with guns)
then i would thank you a lot
>>70164286
what
>>70163659
>guns facilitate it.
Then why is there zero correlation between Firearms homicide crime and suicide the world over double nigger?
>B B but muh gun deaths
Is irrelevant to homicide and crime as a whole.
It's like saying that more people die in their home due to falling down stairs when more homes have stairs.
>>70163659
What do you want then, a clean shotgun blast to the brain stem, or suffocating to death?
>>70162273
You have a point about the intel though I'd still argue that one could easily be developed as they have the internet at their disposal.
>yeah let me guess 'it's happening for realz this time'
maybe its because your not from America but I don't think you understand how completely transformative this election has been. Coming out of it the Republican party will be completely transformed if not cut in two. The democrats will be a lot more split as well between shills and fags. The US ussually has a completely transformative election every 40 years or so. The last one was 1968 which gave the Republicans the South.
>that they are all completely nihilistic people that only care about money.
I'm not saying they all aren't I'm just saying elites aren't this completely faceless and monolithic blob.
>>70158548
yeah sure those, though my point remains, a gun can be a symbol, a gun can be a fetish, and lord knows for slavaboos a mosin-nagant is basically a giant dick
>>70164396
>gun deaths is the most general statistic i could find
Again it is definition cherrypicking you colossal nigger.
Itbis why gun control faggots use them and ignore nonbiased methodology using homicide and crime as a whole because it utterly destroys their position.
>=all bad thing with a gun
>only use cherrypicking loaded stats
No
Hilary email that confirms she was helped in killing Qaddafi just to get his gold and oil.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160109230627/https://www.foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_DecWebClearedMeta/31-C1/DOC_0C05779612/C05779612.pdf
>>70145970
But no one died at Sandy Hook
>>70149158
Bruh
Holy shit , they're still pushing the Sandy Hook meme
lmao
Sandy Hook was a Homeland Security drill.
>>70164624
>>70164396
>it's a term to differentiate between firearm and non firearm homicide.
>it's not a fucking loaded term
I should add
Why is getting shot to death or robbed and gunpoit worse than getting stabbed/beaten to death or robbed at knifepoint?
>>70146532
The stupidest, childish thing I read today.
>>70156315
Crime started going down in 93 because of our response to the crack cocaine epidemic and major criminal justice sentencing reform in the crime omnibus.
>We started sending more blacks in prison for longer
>Crime goes down
>>70146516
who doing what now? Is it Trump?
If it's not Trump I don't care
>>70164442
...
are you actually like... clinically mentally ill?
i just explained but i will do so again:
guns facilitate those things.
gun related homicides are lower in first world countries with higher gun control
suicide is affected more by the overall depression in each country so you cannot expect that to correlate.
>gun deaths
>irrelevant
you ultra nigger
that is all i'm talking about
i don't give a flying FUCK about your crime rate.
i want to stop people dying to preventable things like gun crimes, gun accidents, gun suicide
because the more difficult we make it for people to kill other people the more chances there are for the killer to not end up doing it.
guns are the easiest way to kill people for the average joe.
>>70164446
the point is that people would THINK TWICE about killing themselves in a painful manner while they will be dead before the second thought if they have a gun available
>>70164543
>Coming out of it the Republican party will be completely transformed if not cut in two. The democrats will be a lot more split as well between shills and fags.
eh.
i would hope so.
but knowing the world things will probably be even worse with even more power going to the shills.
>>70164624
>Again it is definition cherrypicking you colossal nigger.
How?
I found the most general statistic i could possibly find to incorporate the most bad things about guns that i can.
i want guns gone because i think that by having less guns there will be less gun based bad things
why would i use homicide?
i don't care about homicide stats
because not all homicides are as easily preventable as gun related things.
>>70165061
because you have a higher fucking chance of dying from a gun than from a fucking knife and the attacker has a lower personal risk factor, because he can kill you without revealing his weapon and without being up close.
while you as a law abiding citizen can't kill anyone without them having revealed a weapon otherwise you are a murderer
>>70145970
>HE PRIORITIZED RIGHTS OVER FEE-FEES
>>70154654
allah damnit why would you share our secrets with the internet mahmoud?
>>70165316
>gun related homicides are lower in first world countries with higher gun control
How about researching "homicides" and "all countries" instead of using cherrypicked data
>>70149158
This has to be bait
>>70145970
>>70151062
>just label them terrorists,
And how do they identify whom to label? They would need to be totalitarian to do so, which would only turn more people against them.
>as if you couldn't just tell them that that city is overrun by turrist sleeper cells
Do you know how defecting works? The people likely to defect wouldn't be the kind of person who would blindly kill US citizens because a higher up labeled them "terrorists". And they would bring invaluable knowledge and possibly equipment to the table.
>everyone can do that. and yet how many rebellions have actually succeeded thanks to that in recent years?
No one has tried to take down the power grid in an organized fashion before. It takes a lot less resources to destroy transformers that it does to guard/repair them constantly.
>>70155205
>The Bill of Needs
>>70165614
you cannot compare america to countries where there is zero police force.
if i founded a country with 100 people and only i had a gun, i could obviously murder everyone and have one of the lowest firearms per capita rates and the highest homicide rate ever. that doesn't mean this would mean anything
and this is basically the case in a lot of non first world countries.
>>70166265
>who to label
same as they did with snowden
and by listening in on your communications like the NSA is doing
>defecting
as if the military wouldn't kill US citizens if they were told they're a sleeper cell and plan a terror attack against america
also while some may defect, they are the military they have been indoctrinated to follow orders.... a lot more would defect from the mostly untrained civilian rebel side though who can pick between possibly dying or giving up and living under a not so good government
>>70149011
>>70166346
thank you hungary you're so based
I've always liked eastern europe. even more so after i learned about how cucked the west is
People voting for her literally do not care about anything she does.
Her last name is Clinton and she has a vagina.
>>70155205
The 300 pound silverback gorilla breaking down my door says I do
>>70165316
>guns facilitate those things.
Again they don't.
>gun related homicides are lower in first world countries with higher gun control
And people that live in homes without stairs have less stair related injuries.
This isn't relevant to homicide and crime as a whole.
It is deliberately cherrypuced by antigunners as a loaded stat to manipulate or to use the proper fallacy term "garbage in garbage out" stats.
>>70166265
we already live in a totalitarian government, its just not authoritarian or a dictatorship yet.
If you think you're not under constant surveillance and a profile of you is not being constantly improved, you're a fucking idiot and deserve to get v&.
>>70145970
This is a Democratic primary. In that context, this is a strong move by her.
>>70165316
>because he can kill you without revealing his weapon and without being up close.
>while you as a law abiding citizen can't kill anyone without them having revealed a weapon otherwise you are a murderer
See
>>70152288
>>70166608
I just don't understand how people can find guns so comforting.
It's like as long as they have guns they think they are protected from the government.
And the only way to show that their guns don't correlate to bad things is to take third world countries into the picture who mess up the statistics.
>>70166844
how would they not.
i explained to you the mechanism of how they facilitate it
we have the statistics of countries with a similarly high level police force as the US
>>70166844
>And people that live in homes without stairs have less stair related injuries.
AND THIS IS ALL I CARE ABOUT!!!!
are you somehow unable to understand this?
this is exactly what i am saying!
i don't want to get rid of ALL homicides, because that's not something i can easily affect
but if i have a clear correlation that people with more stairs hurt their legs more
and i hurt my leg every fucking day a hundred times and every other month someone hurt a lot of legs on my stairs then i would probably think about getting a ramp (tazers) instead or getting rid of the stairs altogether, because there is literally nothing that those stairs accomplished anyway.
>>70146412
God already decided that before the media was even a twinkle in his eye.
>>70167211
>criminals fear armed citizens more than the police.
yes this is the real revealing point here.
either everyone can be constantly on their toes because every nut and their cousin will have a gun, which in a populace as fucking retarded as the american one won't do much good,
or people could be more relaxed knowing that only very few people could have guns and the police would get them
but yes
the solution is not to fight poverty
or increase police numbers
no ... it's to give weapons to absolute idiots.
>>70167226
>how would they not.
>i explained to you the mechanism of how they facilitate it
>we have the statistics of countries with a similarly high level police force as the US
And their homicide and crime rates made zero deviations from current trends after gun control was instituted which is clear cut evidence that gin control does dick all.
>AND THIS IS ALL I CARE ABOUT!!!!
>the same amount of people being robbed raped and killed is not as bad if they aren't being robbed raped and killed involving firearms
Good job showing yourself as a absolutely disgusting human being and proving
>>70152994
Point
>>70166742
kek
Leftists demand people be disarmed yet won't stop spitting on LE long enough to convince them it's worth dying to disarm people.
>>70149158
>Acts of terror don't count
>>70145970
>buy hammer from home depot
>kill someone with said hammer
>home depot is now liable
>buy knife from kitchen store
>kill person with the knife
>kitchen store is now liable
>mfw people will need background checks to purchase anything and everything because it could kill someone
>>70167437
>either everyone can be constantly on their toes because every nut and their cousin will have a gun, which in a populace as fucking retarded as the american one won't do much good,
>or people could be more relaxed knowing that only very few people could have guns and the police would get them
Because lil ole granny can defend herself against your average criminal.
> it's to give weapons to absolute idiots.
Daily reminder that people who carry firearms for self defense commit crimes at a lower rate than police
>>70147331
>normal six week background check is going to take three months because they're so backed up.
they literally wait until the last week to do all background checks. they aren't 'backed up', they just dont do them. and enjoy waiting a fucking year now since malloy is such a fucking faggot.
Who the fuck runs Hillary's campaigns? How can someone be so shit at a job?
>be 2008
>have nomination handed to you on silver platter
>blow 30 point lead to a young black guy almost no one knew
>be 2016
>have nomination handed to you on diamond-encrusted gold-plated platter
>almost blow 50 point lead to an old man literally no one knew until a few months ago
>>70145970
Any death that isn't caused by the gun exploding in the user's face shouldn't be liable to manufacturers
>>70146363
She is completely desperate
>>70167559
Again.
It's not my job to fucking solve every problem in the world.
but if there is a problem that is clearly really bad.
and we know what causes it.
it is my duty as a person of sound morals to try and fix that.
it's simple rational thinking
we need to consequently eliminate every way and reason for bad things happening.
there's a multitude of things facilitating homicide, but we have to start SOMEWHERE.
so why not start with some of the most obvious things:
-guns being readily available everywhere without you having to put much thought into it (remember that most homicides are not premeditated)
-poverty and shitty mental state of the population
-low police numbers
We should change all these things.
>>70167725
>Because lil ole granny can defend herself against your average criminal.
No. And her having a gun would just make her a risk to the people around her because she's also too weak to aim or hold the gun steady while firing.
>lower crime rate than police officers
you can't point to a bad thing and say that we should do another bad thing because of it
>>70156671
To be fair, she was a lawyer. She would've done the slitting throats thing anyway.
This is you, /pol/.
>>70168104
>It's not my job to fucking solve every problem in the world.
>but if there is a problem that is clearly really bad.
>and we know what causes it.
Guns aren't whatvis causing homicide and crime and the data shows this.
>ban guns
>less "gun crime"
>crime and homicide are the same
>>70167867
She's just a really shitty candidate riding on the coattails of her husband's legacy.
>>70168104
>And her having a gun would just make her a risk to the people around her because she's also too weak to aim or hold the gun steady while firing.
[Citation needed]
Protip you're talking out of your ass
I could easily bring up a dozen articles of elderly people saving their lives and others with the use of a firearm.
Also again
Legal gun owners as a subcategory commit less crime than cops so clearly using your logic we should disarm all cops before citizens
>>70168104
Damn, you're stupid.
>people on disabilities shouldn't have a chance to defend themselves, they should just die
Since when are you leftcucks into eugenics. You live in fucking Hungary, and the Fidesz party keeps 3rd-world trash out. Try living with literally millions of niggers and Mexicans and then telling yourself you don't need a gun.
