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NEDERLANDER! VOLKSGENOOT!
Today we vote on the association treaty with Ukraine? What did you vote/intend to vote.
Here are some pro and counter arguments.
Cons:
Article 10: we promise mutual defence between the EU and Ukraine.
Article 19: Visa free travel between EU and Ukraine, facilitating illegal immigration, drug traficking and prostitution.
Article 23: unlimited financial aid. Were Ukraine to need it, the EU has to bail them out. Just like Greece.
Pros:
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DUS, LANDGENOOT! STEMT HEDEN TEGEN!
>>70102536
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>>70102536
Already voted NO
#NEXIT NOW
Two questions.
1. Why that ballot design? It's so weird and beyond what one would consider intuitive.
2. Why is Kansas drawn?
Voted no this morning.
Net nee gestemd, voeltgoedman
>>70102760
1. Because the government wants to get as many invalid votes as they can so we won't reach the 30% treshold we need for the results to be "legal"
2. No fucking clue. That's on you lot.
>>70102760
Because our government is doing everything in its power to get a Yes vote. Including making sure as many as possible ballots are invalid.
And we drew Kansas due to historic association with John Brown.
Not going to vote
Referendums are pointless
I think we should stop to rely on pathetic eurocucks at all and focus more on political and military co-operation with United States, if we want to get things done
>>70102740
Lower your stadarts FOR THEM. Not for your own people. I don't see how this is a problem (apart from the morality issues) to feed others with shit. Neocolony policy.
>>70102888
>he wants to suck american dick
>>70102760
>Why that ballot design? It's so weird and beyond what one would consider intuitive.
This pretty much answers itself. The referendum does not count if less than 30% of the people vote. This is one of the soft measures to artificially ensure a low turnout. The other being a reduction of polling booths.
Kind of funny how this referendum exposes just how little thought politics put into our laws.
>>70102909
I agree with you desu, but the EU won't let us do shit like that.
>>70102850
"Democracy"
What a fucking joke.
Politicians should fear the people, it's the only way they stay remotely honest.
>>70102940
>he doesn't want to share
Herinnering dat tegenstemmers hoorndragers zijn van Jan Roos en GeenStijl
>>70102956
Don't forget a lot of people simply didn't receive a voting pass.
>>70102877
Yeah, because Switzerland is doing just awful.
>highest GDP per capita in Europe
>can actually own guns
>no minarets
>very few brownhides
Asking the people can do a lot of good for some things, my friend. We should hold a referendum on our tax code. But alliances and political association? Sure.
>>70102888
>political and military co-operation with United States
How does NY Times cock taste?
>>70102888
Why do you hohols get so butthurt about us exercising our political rights? We did not get butthurt when you decided to riot, did we?
>>70103042
En dit is een probleem omdat? Laat de eurocraten maar in hun broek schijten. De regering hoort het volk te vrezen, niet andersom.
>>70103042
Voorstemmers zijn hoorndragers van Merkel en Juncker.
>>70103002
That what we get for not having a second amendment.
It's funny how all my teachers told me guns were uncivilized and have no place in our democracy, they were wrong.
>sell all your tanks
>sign up for a war with russia
>???
It doesn't matter, the Dutch are fucking racist pieces of shit anyway
>>70103042
Herinnering dat voor stemmers smerige socialisten zijn die ons land in de uitverkoop zetten. En waarschijnlijk nog PvdA stemmers zijn ook.
>>70103104
>denken dat Den Haag hierdoor het volk gaat vrezen
Bij het Verdrag van Lissabon hebben ze onze nee genegeerd. Zo zal het helaas ook nu gaan.
Ik ga alsnog nee stemmen
would you folks support a similar treaty with Russia?
>tfw stoned on the glorious Dutch White Russian strain
ayyyy lmao
>>70103002
Democracy fuck yeah
>>70103042
Trouwe Pauw kijker gespot
You, idiots, don't understand one simple thing.
UKRAINE WILL MAKE EUROPE GREAT. Not again, it never was. But will be.
Refugee problem probably will have been resolved in 2 hours.
>>70103065
ukraine is dictatorship that is ruled by populistic national communists, owned by oligarchs
they do not tolerate people with another views.
>>70103144
Why do you think I will vote NO? We have an expression in this country: Wanting to sit on the first row for a dime. Well, that's what our government has been doing for decades, especially in military matters. We have more foreign missions than before, yet we are cutting, cutting, and cutting some more into the defense budget.
Did you know our mission against ISIS is being paid out of the budget of future missions? It's shit like this why can't afford to "fight" Putin, let alone for what reason.
>>70102988
Are you completely sure about that? Because I don't know anything about eu standard and their use for non-eu countries.
Even then no sneakholes?
Even if it's restricted, come on, be savvy! SMEKALOCHKA! Use imagination to bend rules a little. Or quit EU and make p2p agreement with hohols on your terms.
>>70103144
At least we placed our troops directly under German command. And then suffered an ammunition shortage.
>>70103171
Even the Romanians are upset about Zwarte Piet? Or are you a """""refugee"""""" in Romania?
>>70103232
Pauw is quasi-populistisch geneuzel en een beeldbuis voor linkse propaganda. Neen dank.
>>70103195
Als je al die opzichtige obstructiemethoden ziet met stemhokjes, formulieren, Juncker et al. die over continentalie crises mekkeren en het "Muh Poetin" zijn ze behoorlijk geschrokken. Ze hadden nooit gedacht dat iemand 10k handtekeningen in een paar weken kreeg, laat staan 300k in 6 weken.
Dit is nog maar het begin, en dat weet Den Haag ook.
>>70103267
We're gonna build a fucking dyke to keep all you foreigners out AND UKRAINE IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT!
>>70103267
The referendum has surprisingly little to with the Ukraine itself. Most of us just the referendum to make a vote against the European Union.
The people who started this idea literally said 'we don't care about the Ukraine'
>>70103065
No butthurt, just accepting reality. We tried a lot to improve relations with Europe and it's all pointless. Brussels try to backpedal the deal and look for formal excuse, like negerland referendum
>>70103223
It's pretty hilarious that this image gets tossed around all the fucking time in order to prove how mean the Nazi's were, and now our government is doing the exact same thing.
>>70103209
>Russia in the EU
Well, that might just be hilarious enough to win me over. Plus, it'd surely kill the EU.
>>70103280
When you put it like that, you are a perfect fit for the EU.
>>70102877
youre just lazy faggot
>>70103302
Our production is bound by regulations, regardless of where the final product goes.
>Or quit EU and make p2p agreement with hohols on your terms
tbf this is what I'd like. Bilateral agreements instead of one massive treaty. It's a lot easier to change terms on the former if it turns out to be necessary.
>>70103339
Obstructiemethoden? Je bedoelt een hoog percentage van de Nederlandse bevolking dat te lui is om van de bank af te komen en te gaan stemmen?
>>70103267
We can dream, hohol. We can dream. We do not hate you, you must understand. But we do not trust the EU to act in our interests. Or in yours, for that matter.
>>70103392
Ukraine has no money, only debts.
>>70103434
> It's a lot easier to change terms on the former if it turns out to be necessary.
Exactly. And who do you think is more inclined to back out of an agreement? Ukraine, or the Netherlands?
>>70103402
Why would they backpedal out of a deal they are so overtly shilling for?
>>70103425
Russia would never exepted association on that term. Hust because it's stupid and will not help us AT ALL.
Russia in EU as a full member, actually could make Europe great again.
But you guys are so under US/Nato boot this thing will never happen.
I hope Ukraine will become a part of EU and will destroy this faggot version of USSR made by SJW bioscum.
So, vote yes
>>70103402
Brussels has been hampering us at every turn. This was a Dutch intitiative, with the support of 500,000 Dutchmen. Our own government has done its best to shut it down, hamper it, and will ignore the result regardless.
Believe me, the EU and its undemocratic overlords want a treaty with Ukraine. The European people however, do not.
>>70103459
>veel minder stemlokalen
>geneuk met de stembiljeten
>geneuk met de stempas
Ja hoor, totaal geen obstructie.
>>70103425
>Advisory - meaning the result of the vote is only to help the government make the final choice.
Your government pretty much spits in your face. Hey bitches what do you think but we'll do things our way anyway.
>>70103566
Because they failed at installing puppet government after 2014.
Yes, it is so simple
Sometimes I think the /pol/ mindset is just a meme and then I read threads like these
why you all so dumb?
>>70103425
i know, that is why they have signed free trade with EU
another reason is that half of ukrainians want to live with russia and ukrainians oligarchs are afraid of competition with russians. russia has much smaller corruption, better financial discipline and they will "eat" ukrainian oligarchs in case ukraine sides with russia.
european interest was to smuggle goods to bipass russian tariff barier, but russia devalued currency and imposed sanctions.
oligarchs and eu miscalculated, trade dropped and 3 regions rioted.
>>70103459
Dat moet nog blijken. Het referendum lijkt ongeveer even populair als de EP-verkiezingen als we de peilingen moeten geloven maar daar krijgen we wel de volle mep aan stemlokalen.
Het enige referendum wat we hiervoor hebben gehad had een goede opkomst, dus er is daadwerkelijk geen concrete reden om zo ver van te voren een dermate lage opkomst te verwachten dat je stemlokalen gaat sluiten. Tenzij je die opkomst wilt saboteren natuurlijk.
>>70103532
I personally believe that if there is no mutual agreement on terms there should be no treaty. It doesn't matter who wants to back out of an agreement, renegotiation should always be possible.
>>70103500
A lot of people seem to skip that, Ukraine is poor as shit right now. EU gains nothing from them other than more immigrant workers destroying native jobs even more.
Wouldn't be surprised to have them be on par with bulgarians and romanians too.
>>70103402
>We tried a lot to improve relations with Europe and it's all pointless
because no sane person/country wants to associate themselves with a corrupt shithole like ukraine
I am going to vote "Yes" for the treaty.
Missing in few million euros of tax money will not hurt us a lot, but could help you a lot. I hope this will help you Ukrainian people to become a better, democratic country :3
>>70103743
ukrainian oligarchs are afraid of competition with russian
typo
>>70103784
Kill yourself already
>>70103597
>But you guys are so under US/Nato boot this thing will never happen.
It's sad, but it's true. The EU is still a puppet of the US. The only reason we're even considering Turkey, and why Merkel is sucking Erdogan's dick, is because the US wants us to. So we have extremely close ties with an Islamic extremist, so America can have access to oil.
Just another reason to go green, I guess. It's a shame the lefties hate nuclear power. If they weren't such retarded luddites, we could have said farewell to the Arab world already.
>>70103695
>Brussels has been hampering us at every turn. This was a Dutch intitiative
Ja ja, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
Fuck off.
>>70102536
Zojuist tegen gestemd.
>>70103695
Your language literally looks like a mix of Serbian and English, but sounds like soft Deutch
>>70103302
Dutch products are known to be of safe and superior quality all over the world, you pay extra to get something great. Selling shit to one country will lower our products worth all over.
Pardon me for being proud of my country for selling high quality goods.
>>70103838
That's a fact
>>70103834
One russian islamist (Geidar Camal or something like this) said that USA wants to destroy Turkey.
>>70102536
>hij is met een Chinees tekenfilmfiguur in z'n jaszak naar het stemlokaal gegaan om een foto te maken
Nederbros, do the right thing.
>>70103727
Aren't they being a bit premature, then? Shouldn't they await the next elections and give you enough rope to hang yourselves with?
>>70103743
Yeah, it seemed like an oligarch deal since day one. One of the proponents of the treaty even went to Ukraine on an oligarch's private jet in order to drum up support. Weird, how they never think stuff like that will reflect badly on them.
Anyway, I must go vote. If you guys want to make a last statement, you have to do it now!
>>70103979
AUTISMUS MAXIMUS
>>70104008
Now germans must do the right job & vote for AfD
>>70103738
Care to say anything concrete on why we're supposedly so dumb?
>>70103838
What, you seriously think the EU can bribe 500k dutchmen to go vote? You are retarded.
DAS VOLK WIL DICH NICHT, SILLESIER!
>>70103291
Why is your budget so fucked? Handing out too many gibsmedats to sand apes?
>>70103834
>the lefties hate nuclear power.
Idiots. You giving them most efficient and one of the safest power source. Take it! But nooo I don't want it. I want to eat shit with MUH WINDMILES AND SUNNYPANELS. This is just retarded.
Oh yeah, and one more thing. Chernobyl happened where?
Exactly.
>>70102536
>>70103838
When are the results out? I have a few girl 'friends' in Ukraine. Might be good for me.
>>70103953
Well, Islamists can never really agree on anything, except that the US is the Great Satan.
>>70103979
You didnt get your figurine? Everyone who goes to vote is given one for free. They've been holding out on you, anon.
>>70104082
Yes, someone has to pay for mohameds golf V
>>70104082
We hold on to the believe the burgers will always safe us with their big bombs.
>>70104135
Exit polls start at 9pm local time, in 7 hours. Results probably late tonight or early tomorrow.
>>70103459
I can almost read this. Weird.
guys, bring moar sup /pol/ plz
>>70104041
just ask other people to go and vote. bye
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>>70102536
Vote "voor" - the faster EU disintegrates the better is it for everyone
>>70104082
Socialism. They overtly hate the military, and many of them will go on at length about how it is "useless" and how "America will protect us". Some legit believe world peace has arrived. It's also the only governmental organ they simply can't infiltrate, like they have done with public media, for instance.
The left is simply ideologically opposed to having a strong military. They aren't above using it in retarded ventures in the desert in order to increase their standing with international allies, though.
>>70102850
So what? This applies to people who voted for the agreement as well. What you're basically saying is that against-voters can't read properly ;)
>>70102888
>US
top kek my friend. Welcome to the NWO
>>70104333
I'm voting against but yeah, if you can't see that the little ball should be coloured what the fuck are you doing in a voting booth
>>70104298
T.ahmed
>>70104078
>What, you seriously think the EU can bribe 500k dutchmen to go vote? You are retarded.
>DAS VOLK WIL DICH NICHT, SILLESIER!
You only allowed to vote on Ukraine deal. You only allowed to vote once, isn't you?
>>70104298
No, send the message about being sick of all the EU shit. Also having trade deals with Ukraine will extent the life of the EU. Let it collapse and build the Fourth Reich.
>>70104429
This new law to allow ''raadgevende'' referendums is a recent thing, if this is a success more will follow
>>70104421
Ahmeds are pro-EU because EU is cuck and proislamist USSR
>>70103743
>half of ukrainians want to live with russia
I thought such russophile scum is dead already.
>>70104458
> and build the Fourth Reich.
Try to avoid the last one's mistakes.
>>70104333
You overestimate the ability of a lot of our fellow Dutchies, trips man.
>>70104554
>implying that "MUH KIEVLAN RUS'" faggots aren't scum
Kijów belongs to Poland
https://twitter.com/Bernd_de_Boer/status/717674546405515264
>jgw
Zojuist nee gestemd
>>70104554
it's amazing how thoroughly Ukraine has been brainwashed by facist propaganda
Kan iemand mij uitleggen waarom de PvdD als een van de weinige partijen tegen het verdrag is?
>muh plofkip
Het verdrag wil daar juist iets aan doen, door tegen te zijn zal het dierenleed doorgaan.
Te veel redenen om op te noemen.
Tegen.
>>70104578
Clearly, we should invade Russia from Vladivostok and Nova Zemblya this time.
>>70102735
Based Netherlands. Time to crash this Jewnion with no survivors.
>>70104652
https://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/associatieverdag-oekraine-10-redenen-om-nee-te-stemmen?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=whatsapp&utm_source=mobile
>>70104522
Agreed.
It's time for Europe to rise again and be united with Russia. Imagine all of Europe together except Albania and Turkey cause they are subhumans. Just imagine biggest economy, biggest military or atleast after some years of spending and also 500+ million population.
Too bad the left wants Europe to be a new caliphate for mudslimes
>>70104637
Slimme vrouw
>>70104652
PvdD ziet niet in dat dit soort overeenkomsten juist zorgen voor meer transparantie en regulatie van dat soort praktijken.
>>70102536
How can you vote against Ukraine?
"Articles" 10 and 23- bullshit. It's not NATO or the EU, it's fucking economic agreement.
>>70104662
We will copperate with Poland, build new Rzeczpospolita and destroy united Germany
>>70104652
Omdat ze mensjes willen stelen van het anti-EU kamp voor volgend jaar.
Al de linkse partijen hebben de meest idiote, onlogische redenen om tegen te stemmen. Alleen the PVV is concreet in haar ideologie.
>>70104637
Based old lady.
>niet een plaatje posten op een plaatjesbord
Flikker.
>>70104496
>This new law to allow ''raadgevende'' referendums is a recent thing, if this is a success more will follow
What a coincidence. When the next referendum will be held?
>>70104554
you cant kill a hedgehog with your nakes arse lol
pro-maidan ukrainians are subhumans like radical muslims and other shit.
see, your butthurt is enormous
>>70104726
and military, you forgot about that, how convenient
>>70102536
>>70102536
why cuck yourselves to ukraine?
the west could start shit in there and getting drafted for that sounds no fun
of course the goverment wants this done, but thata only to fuck with russia...
>>70104800
We don't plan referendums on a calendar, Sergei.
We will see what the future brings.
>>70104626
>russia belongs mongols
Go away piggy.
>>70104726
A pro-ukrainian belarusian is the faggot-worm's tier.
Idiot, you are polish, ukrainian "heroes" killed poles.
And what you are doing? Protect Ukraine.
Fuck off.
Białoruś była i będzie częścią światu polskiego.
>>70104820
It's not. It's fucking left-wing anti-ukrainian propaganda. They also say, that ukrainians don't support agreement, while 72% of ukrainians want you to vote for agreement.
>Article 23: unlimited financial aid. Were Ukraine to need it, the EU has to bail them out. Just like
FUCK OFF NORMIES
REEE
FOR REAL THIS TIME
NEEE
NEEEEEEEEEEE
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>70104879
Kijów odbijemy
No is they only answer for this corrupt shithole.
>>70104800
We can only hold referenda on laws and treaties that are passed, but not yet ratified, and we cannot hold Referenda on EU affairs.
So... none for the foreseable future, I dont think.
>>70104726
Those articles are in the treaty. Amongst many others, like education (article 453- including education of journalists) and debt restructuring (articles 82, 83 and 84).
>>70104933
It's literally in there: Artikel 10
>>70103743
>russia has much smaller corruption
Ahahahahahaha. What a shill.
>>70104958
Yeah, lol, I wish to see how MIGHTY UKRAINE will DEMAND aid from eu.
>>70104933
Ty po prawdę chcesz być banderowskiem ściwerwom? I zapomnieć swoje historię?
>>70104933
>left-wing anti-ukrainian propaganda.
>left wing
You utter moron. Its the left that is FOR this treaty. Its fucking Geert Wilders, the Libertarian party and VNL who are *against* this treaty. The nationalists and the right wing.
You stupid lying fucking commie.
>>70105060
They could ask Greece
>>70105096
>tfw PvdD en SP ook tegen zijn
>>70102536
What a disgusting language you have
>>70105060
well, just look how MIGHTY RAPEFUGEES DEMANDED aid and got it
>>70105065
why are you speaking in wannabe polish to belarussian
>>70105096
SP en PvdD zijn ook tegen en die zijn niet rechts of nationalistisch
Homo
>>70105096
And every left-wing party except the PvdA.
>>70105096
Don't think so black/white
SP is against
PvdD is against as well
VVD is for
>>70105096
Socialist Party is libertarian?
>>70105142
Piss off nigger.
>>70105144
Myślę co to jest polski świat i nienawidzę banderowców.
>>70105144
Ok, Kazimir, you got a point.
In this pathetic state - anyone can pushover old mother Europe.
It's time for you guys to wake up.
>>70105159
>VVD
>rechts
Nou nee. Het zijn even harde maakbaarheidsdenkers als die linkse types. Het zijn ook nog eens onpatriottische atheïsten. Hoezo zou je ze rechts noemen?
>>70104862
>We don't plan referendums on a calendar, Sergei.
Of course you not, Ahmet. That's the point
>>70105297
Economisch zijn ze rechts
>>70105324
You're too dumb to argue with, bye
>Having a referedum?!
>You should have at least 3 planned for the future or else you're just bullying Ukraine!
>>70105326
Als jij hun economisch beleid rechts vind, dan vind ik dat teleurstellend. Ze zijn nog niet eens tegen het afschaffen van erfenis belasting. Of voor een vlak taks.
>>70105297
>maakbaarheidsdenkers
>>70105146
>>70105137
SP was de anti-immigratie partij... vroeger.
Ze weten dat ze nationalisme nodig hebben voor hun socialistische droom.
this ukranian want to sell his cheap wheat to us, he just mad that he cant when we vote no
>>70105096
Centre parties are in favor
The rest is not
>>70105406
Bezunigingen en marktwerking zijn ze erg van
>>70105406
De vvd is altijd als rechts bestempeld in de Nederlandse politiek.
>>70105436
is ze a word like "The" in English?
>>70105436
Mensen zijn dit gewoon vergeten, de VVD die zo stoer erover praat was er gewoon voor terwijl de socialisten tegen waren.
>>70105497
Ze/zij is they
>>70105035
You think, that nobody will read this? There is nothing about
>mutual defence between the EU and Ukraine
or
>unlimited financial aid Greece
>>70105096
De PVV en SP zijn beide "links" en toevallig ook anti-EU.
>>70105442
>this ukranian want to sell his cheap wheat to us
You don't know Ukies. They just expect money from you. Nobody will have to work ever again.
>>70105539
t. zmagar z "Radyjo Svaboda"
>>70104207
danke
>>70105487
Dat geeft maar eens aan hoe links Nederland wel niet is.
Goddank dat het tij een beetje begint te keren met de PVV (sociaal rechts) en de opkomst van VNL en de Libertarische partij.
VNL zou de ideale partij zijn, ware zij niet opgericht door zetel diefstal en partij verraad.
>>70105425
Yeah? Its a fundamental lefty position that human nature and society can be changed through human action. That nurture trumps nature at every turn.
>>70105261
Dlaczego nie zniszczycie ukrainy?
>>70105539
>practical conflict prevention
>training activities
I want none of that, thank you very much
And guess what?
It's my choice, move on Belarus dog
>>70105623
Nu i čaho ty naohul kapraciŭliaješsia?
>>70105261
>Myślę co to jest polski świat
What does it even mean?
>>70105539
>military technological cooperation
>crisis management
>cooperation in fighting """"terrorism""""
Gee I wonder what that will mean in practice.
Please note that Ukraine refers to the Donbass and Luhansk fighters as terrorists consistently.
>>70104886
>Białoruś była i będzie częścią światu polskiego
Give it back then, you mongolic, backstabbing, smelly apes.
>>701053
You only allowed to vote on topics what Brussels approve. Don't be a child, you NEVER had (and never will have) a referendum on something significant. When will you vote on refugee issue?
>>70104808
russians are subhumans like radical muslims and other shit. I do not understand what you want to achieve with your cheap agitation from proxy, kremlin bot. Every kid in Ukraine knows that good russian is only dead russian, we hate you, come back to your Kolyma.
>>70102536
>being so autistic that you bring your shitty weeb figurines with you when voting
>>70105708
>I wonder what that will mean in practice
Literally nothing. The EU don't recognize russian-backed separatists as terrorists.
>>70102536
Voted "no" and proxy voted "no" for two more people.
>>70102536
I was going to vote NO until I saw this pic and realized a weaboo voted no as well. Going to vote yes just to undo your vote, you autistic weab
>>70105851
Fuck you, ukraine = worst shithole
clean my toilet.
>>70105622
Then why does your tsar want the country so badly?
>>70105851
Its like watching an angry man with down syndrome. You acknowledge his inferiority, but you feel sorry for him nonetheless
>>70105952
Weeb* atleast write it right it's weeb or weaboo. Kanker nerd
Ukrainians will flood Western Europe, the first chance they get.
>>70106038
Krijg kanker, gook loving degenerate betafag
>>70105471
Bezuinigen is niet per sé rechts, en de "marktwerking" van de VVD ook niet. Vreemd genoeg uit die zich telkens in minder keuze voor de individuele burger, want de markt houdt voor de VVD op waar de burger begint.
The Ukraine is an embarrassment for europe.
It should not exist.
Russia should nuke them and reclaim its territory.
>not wanting the European empire to grow
heresy
>>70105834
>you NEVER had (and never will have) a referendum on something significant.
We voted no in a referendum on the EU constitution.
Then the treaty of Lissabon was used to circumvent our no vote.
Clearly, Brussels uses us as a propaganda tool.
You moron. Half this referendum is about vengeance for ignoring our vote in 2005.
>>70106069
Ukrainian will flood any 1st world country with free acsess.
Make it happend in Australia and watch hohols swimming through ocean without boats.
>>70106143
Als dat niet rechts is weet ik het ook niet meer.
>>70106013
He does not want the westukraine, he just wants the donbass.
Nobody would be that foolish to pay for the corrupt unemployed lazy scum in Kiew.... except the EU of course.
>>70106178
YOU'VE JUST BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST OF COUNTRIES THAT'S GOING TO PAY FOR THE DYKE!
>>70106069
>white educated and hard-working immigrants
>implying that will harm Europe
>>70106141
Butthurt much? Ga terug praktijk Ahmed
>>70106159
you're too late. should have done that in 2014
>>70106178
if you want to be part of it you should start taking in more rapefugees asap you racist!!!!
>>70102536
Make it happen brothers
>>70106181
indeed if this referendum comes out as a no, and the EU or Rutte ignores it. It is clear that the we should get out of the EU.
>>70105851
Your country became one of the poorest in eurasia in 2 years.
you have started civil war and sucked 100 dicks, lost all battles and 3 regions.
this year will be worser than previous lol
you are subhuman lol
you are genetical loosers and eu will not give you free money to you lol, IMF will suffocate you, oligarchs will suffocate you lol
the only hope to deal with such niggers civilized way is IMF and Putin
IMF kills niggers by rising cost of life. Putin kills niggers using old ways
Why does EU wants Ukraine again? They already have shitholes like Romania and Greece leeching off money. Last thing they need is more like them,
>>70106159
You are right, poland bro.
Thats how the ukraine should be split.
>>70106284
Jij bent hier de ras verrader
>>70102536
Cute Serena.
Putin should invade the Ukraine whilst they still aren't in NATO/EU. The Ukraine is our Russian land and people. If this fucking horrible Jew scheme works out, and the Ukraine is accepted into the EU, our historical Rus lands will be flooded with niggers, Arabs, and sweaty beta virgin manchildren from Britian and wherever else in the EU looking for our women to fuck. Fuck those brainwashed ukrainians. Being led like sheep to a slaughter house. First they betray us, then they destroy themselves. Fucking autism
>>70106327
To escalate tensions with Russia
>>70106304
ukraine must be cleaned from this madness
>>70106327
To fuck with Russia
>>70106304
^This guy knows. Do you really life in Ukraine or in novorussia/Crimea if that map still hasn't updated on 4chan
>>70106178
You with your fake-finish flag should go to the corrupt ukraine, if you love them so much.
>>70104718
If the EU unites with Russia, there will be no more Turkey, just West-Armenia.
>>70106347
K ahmed ga maar lekker speelgoed autotjes in elkaar zetten of een taartbakken
>stemt voor
Viezerik dat je er bent
>>70106347
Het is een geintje voor een autistiche anime boord, kom op vent.
Je vergeet waar je bent. Vierkanaal is altijd een anime gerelateerd kuthol geweest.
>>70106380
i live in capital
such people like him are niggers.
>>70106159
I know that Poles wouldn't write some butthurt shit like you are, go fuck yourself ivan.
EN SAMEN ZINGEN WIJ, EU KRIJG DE KANKER ACHTER JE LINKERHARTKLEP.
>>70102536
Serena is a shitty waifu. Your vote holds no weight with such a stain looming over it.
>>70106448
Sounds like a great world to live in broeder
>>70105516
net als dat mensen vergeten zijn dat de VVD de tijdelijke arbeidsmigranten naar binnen heeft gehaald.
>>70105497
De is the
De computer
The computer
>>70106265
Defineer "rechts".
>>70106278
All European countries should be homogeneous, like Poland. Ukrainians are welcome to Australia though.
>>70106544
Defineer ''defineer''
>>70102536
Looks like a maga hat
>>70106544
NSDAP.
>>70103392
This
>>70102877
This referendum isn't pointless, because it's all about middle fingering the EU
>>70106479
Go and watch some Poroshenko TV while eating Roshen chocolate.
The only ukrainian who profits from you fools demonstrating for "muh EU will save us! EU will pay for us!" is Poroshenko.
Threadtheme
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=leZar6XQLcQ
>>70102536
>Article 10: we promise mutual defence between the EU and Ukraine.
good! good!
>>70102877
Met zo'n instelling blijf je zwakzinnig
We can all agree Ukraine won't be joining EU anytime soon, perhaps in 20 years , if EU even lasts that long.
>>70106512
Nationaal socialisme when.?
Of anders pvv
Got my vote in an hour ago, I was the only one there.
I guess it makes sense at this time of day but it was worrying.
>>70105260
wats ur problm wite fagit
>>70106013
>Then why does your tsar want the country so badly?
Just geography man. Country in that area should at least be neutral.
If we could have Ukrainian Sea in place of that pigsty, it would be amazing.
>>70102760
It is the same design as we always have for the general elections too. It just looks odd with only 2 pips, there are like 100-200 pips on the general election ones.
>>70106593
>kinderachtige respons
Ja, zo kan je dus geen normale discussie hebben, familie.
>>70106544
Traditionalisme. Liberaal/libertaire economisch. Reactionaire sociale waarden (geen migratie, behoud van cultuur, religie en de gezinseenheid) en conservatisme, i.e. geen verandering behalve als het absoluut noodzakelijk is.
Rechts gelooft ook in nature boven nurture. Er zijn aspecten aan de mens die onveranderlijk zijn (of dit nou is dat hij een economisch wezen is of in oerzonde leeft, maakt niet uit).
>>70106593
Definieer* oetz
>>70106464
Je denkt toch niet dat ik echt mijn stem weg zou gooien he? :^) vind gewoon leuk on te zeiken tegen weaboos
>>70106760
>EU defense
complaining about human rights is not a weapon
>>70106304
lol, russia is poor as Ukraine. But at least we are trying to get our of this shit, unlike russian snowniggers witch is dying for pootin's wealth on the Dumbass and Syria. russians it is the only nation was defeated by TV propaganda, and you can't see in some shit you're living.
>>70106013
Ukrainians are just firmly brainwashed russians.
Exept those western ukrainians they are pure austro-hungarians and polaks.
>>70106936
i love how germanic languages are close enough for me to understand the gist of simple sentences after learning german and english.
>>70106967
Mijns inziens moet het echt eens afgelopen zijn met het nature vs. nurture debat in de politiek. Dat is dus echt iets voor de wetenschap, en de wetenschap blijft er op wijzen dat je geen achterlijk simpele keuze kan maken op dit vlak.
Het blijft raar. Als je bij de bank aankomt voor een lening "want het voelt goed", lachen ze je de deur uit. Maar dat is wel hoe we stemmen.
IEMAND IN IJMUIDEN? Kom we gaan samen nee stemmen, melden aub.
>>70106297
Nah, I'd rather not.
>>70106404
EU must grow larger.
>>70106936
Ben ik ook niet naar op zoek.
De originele reactie waar ik op reageerde claimde dat alle linksen voor dit verdrag zijn, ik gaf aan dat de VVD ook voor was.
Of denk je dat de VVD links is?
>>70106013
>Then why does your tsar want the country so badly?
Because giving NATO a perfect attack position with 40kk cannon fodder is a bad idea, one poland is enough already. He was even willing to pay 10bln dollars per year to keep Ukraine neutral, but they said fuck that we want moar and Russia is just not rich enough. Now you have to pay for their EU dream.
>>70107063
What a reverse.
>>70106710
>metal
Gedegenereerd.
>>70106826
PVV volgend jaar, fellow weedman.
dude weed [spoiler]lmao[/spoiler]
None of this stuff matters for the Ukraine because 27 out of 28 countries already ratified this association agreement.
Tegenfags on suicide watch.
>>70106827
Lijkt erop dat het ongeveer even populair is als de EP verkiezingen, het gaat er dus om hangen. AD heeft een livetabelletje met opkomstcijfers:
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/38261/Nieuws/article/detail/4276797/2016/04/06/Opkomstcijfers-per-gemeente.dhtml
>>70107194
Onregelmatige herinnering dat de PVV tegen wiet is
>>70107265
Most people have jobs and will vote in the evening. This always happens.
Just voted NEE to fuck with Ukraine and help Russia
Feelsgoodman.jpg
>pic related it's me right now
>>70107265
Why is someone from Belarus this invested?
>>70107265
The times are all between 8:00 and 14:00, we have jobs Belabro.
>>70107138
De VVD is een schoothonden partij. Ze mogen van links economisch rechts lullen, als ze op sociale punten de PvdA maar ruim baan geven. Ik kan me nog een tijd herinneren dat de VVD werd weggezet als de nazaat van het fascisme door de linkerzijde.
Dus zijn ze links? Nee. Maar om ze echt rechts te noemen gaat ook wel erg ver.
>>70107265
I was looking for this, where did you find it?
>>70104243
what a qt
>>70107117
Het is niet exclusionair. Rechts gelooft dat natuur meer waarde heeft dan nurture, maar daarom schaffen ze nog niet het onderwijs systeem af. Het is gewoon een feit dat de mens niet klei is. Hij is graniet. Met veel moeite kan men hem veranderen, maar zelfs dan blijft zijn kern onvervormd.
Links gelooft wel dat de mens klei is. Dat als je er maar genoeg subsidie en help tegenaan gooit, dat je dan alle problemen kan oplossen in de mens. Misdadige psychopaat? Heeft psychologische begeleiding en TBS nodig. Hem afmaken of levenslang geven is onmenselijk, hij leert wel beter!
Bullshit dus. Dat is waarom ik links haat.
>>70107232
This. It's just PR-campaign for Russia and left-wing anti-EU forces in the Netherlands.
>>70107389
Ik denk uberhoud niet in links/rechts dus het kan mij geen tering schelen wat men ze noemt
IK ZAL HANDHAVEN
>>70107407
zie >>70107270
Also reminder that the cities always have lower turnout than in more rural areas. Looks like we're gonna make it.
>>70107427
>left-wing
>anti-EU
What?
>>70107322
Eerst zien of ze het er doorheen krijgen.
Minder gekanker, Nederland moet blanker
>>70103979
>Hij kent 77IQ nog niet
You are speaking some fucked up German, let me tell you.
>>70107414
Neemt niet weg dat rechts zichzelf wel de mening toe-eigent van wat "natuurlijk" is, en hoe goed dat is. Met alle drogredeneringen van dien.
De nature-nurture grens is voor de wetenschap, en daarop zou alles wat er mee dealt op gebaseerd moeten zijn. Rehabilitatie? Doe een onderzoek. LGBT rechten? Doe een onderzoek. Dalende bevolkingsgroei? Doe een onderzoek. etc. etc.
>>70107602
"Heil Hitler!" remains the same in Dutch...
>>70107602
We don't speak cuck language like you so don't worry
>>70107547
De PVV en SP zijn beide links.
>>70107063
>lol, russia is poor as Ukraine
>TV propaganda, and you can't see in some shit you're living.
i live in kiev , i see city infested by niggers.
lol
russia is 4 times richer than ukraine by gdp in puchasing power parityand and 7-8 times more by net wealth per capita.
even in ukraine pro-russian regions have 200% higher GDP than pro-western regions
you are the poorest post-soviet state, just like Georgia or moldavia lol
you are literally nigger
Europe will not give you money and people that waned to emigrate already did it
>>70107602
You are speaking fucked up Dutch, dear degenerate Dutchman.
>>70107602
>Implicerend dat Duits niet geretardeerd Nederlands is.
Please, we all know German is improper Dutch, the true heir of old Frankish.
When Lwów, Łuck, Tarnopol and Stanisławów return into polan, many of hohols will be in EU
>>70107693
Weet ik maar willen hun van de EU af? Dat ze voor het verdrag zijn betekend niet dat ze willen dat je nee stemt, toch? Besides, de EU vindt toch wel een manier om het verdrag door te forceren.
>>70107637
Top kek
>>70107693
>PVV
>LINKS
Being this retarded
SOON
>>70107547
PvdD and SP, my friend. If you vote tegen, you support those commies.
>>70107725
East Ukraine is also more industrialized thanks to Stalin if I'm right
>>70107791
PVV is vrij links
>>70107666
Beste Satan, als de politiek zich zou gaan baseren op feiten, zouden er wel heel vreemde dingen in dit land gebeuren.
>zie minister Asschers fantastische arbeidswet die iedereen werkeloos houd
>>70107270
Thanks
the yes-voters are deliberately staying home to sabotage the elections. that's how low those kind of people actually are
>>70102940
>implying we dont already suck american dick
when will we get the results?
>>70107821
>animal party
>socialist party
>commies
Belarus education ladies and gentlemen.
>>70107856
Godver
>>70107821
Why so? They only support the referendum itself, not any of the outcomes, right? I might have missed something, though.
>>70107039
>not a weapon
no, it is! it is! don't you try to cheat us
>>70107063
>Dumbass
Get the fuck back to dvach, fucking moron.
>>70107791
Pvv is buiten anti immigrant en anti islam behoorlijk links.
>>70107856
Kankerjood.
>>70107893
21:00 the first results come in.
>>70107893
the results probably start coming in between 22:00 and 01:00.
standard elections are done counting around 04:00, so these should be done by 01:00
>>70107334
no /sup/? why didin't you make a photo of your TEGEN?
>>70107118
>Niet in het broekje van Velsen zijn
>>70107856
Weggegooide stem, gefeliciteerd.
>>70107921
Hebben we dan überhaupt nog wel rechtse partijen in Nederland?
>>70102877
this
>>70107725
>7-8 times more by net wealth per capita.
3 times, actually.
>>70108000
Niet echt.
>>70103054
minarets?
>>70108000
Nee maar we hadden er wel eentje die niet links, niet rechts maar recht door zee was.
>>70107875
They are getting mixed messages though. Some politicians tell them to stay home, others to go out and vote yes.
Also keep in mind these results are for the cities mostly. On http://www.rotterdam.nl/referendum6april you can see the live turnouts. Looks like nigger neighbourhoods like Charlois and Feyenoord have a lot lower turnout than average. No doubt this will be the same in other large cities. White rural areas always have higher turnout and will save the day today.
>>70108000
nyet
>>70107063
> But at least we are trying to get our of this shit
Average salary in Ukrain has been lowered at least 4 times since 2013.
They are trying, lol.
>>70107785
Haha this is actually a pretty neat idea.
What do you think would happen if the following referendum were to be held: "Are you in favor of entering the EU as under Polish rule and as a Polish province?"
Too many keks would be had and the neo-fascist Ukrop government would go into full-blown desperation mode. Because we all know that YES would make it.
>>70108114
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_minaret_referendum,_2009
>>70108114
You know, those things on top of a mosque.
>>70108000
VNL? Heb me er niet in verdiept maar ze beweren van wel.
>>70107725
It's hilarious that Ukraine is approaching Moldova-tier shittiness.
>>70108000
VNL sinds kort: economisch rechts, anti-immigratie, nationalistisch. Libertarische partij, soort van.
>>70108114
Those things on mosques they shout from.
>>70108171
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_minaret_referendum,_2009
>Only four of the 26 Swiss cantons,[2] mostly in the French-speaking part of Switzerland, opposed the initiative.
ETERNAL FROG
>>70107854
eastern regions were industrialized in russian empire
kiev and central regions were rebuilt after the ww2
western regions were freed from polish slavery abd recevied industry and univercities.
but they have lost all. they are the most problematic regions.
after 1991 investments were done in central and eastern parts.
>>70108050
7-8/ you must count debts and cost of life.
>>70103054
De politiek vraagt on überhaupt niks omdat ze geen interesse meer in ons hebben.
Dus proberen ze voldoening buiten de grens te zoeken.
>>70107725
лoл, пидopaхa. Я c Киeвa, гдe ты живeшь тoчнee, хoчy нaccaть тeбe нa eбaлo.
>russia is 4 times richer than ukraine
All Russia's wealth is in the pockets of less than 100 people. The rest are fucking starving.
>>70107868
Mja, zelfs de feiten maken onze politici niet minder dom. Dat is wat mij betreft ook een beetje het probleem: We worden geregeerd door mensen die nagenoeg geen relevante ervaring hebben. Politiek als carrière op zich zorgt er voor dat mensen alleen goed zijn in politiek, dus iedereen voorliegen en heel verongelijkt doen dat niet iedereen op jou stemt. Maar als het dan aankomt op zoiets simpels als Asscher's wet, zit er zo een koe van een fout in. Zelfde verhaal met die werken tot je 67ste onzin. Mensen worden al ontslagen als ze ouder zijn dan 50, dus die twee jaar worden er in de praktijk nooit uitgeperst.
>>70108194
VNL wil marktwerking, lage belasting, geen erfenis belasting, een vlak taks van 21%, geen BTW, geen immigratie, gesloten grenzen en een zo klein mogelijke overheid. Oh, en meer geld voor defensie.
Ik zou op ze stemmen, waren het niet dat Joram van Klaveren en Bontes zetelroof hebben gepleegd en de PVV in de rug hebben gestoken.
>>70107856
Goedzo
Opkomst zonder voor te stemmen is ook goed
>>70108151
Í would like someone to compare the statistics today with the general elections and make some assumptions based on those numbers about what the total turnout will be.
CBA cuz don't have the stats
>>70107971
Cause I voted already
>>70108306
you cant kill a hedgehog with you naked arse lol, take a chill pill
i was talking about net wealth of average person ( 99% of population)
difference is ~8 times now lol
>>70104176
>golf V
you inhuman basterds
VII is out already
>>70108306
>The rest are fucking starving.
Holodomor strikes back. Revenge of the hohol lords. On ukranian tv 24/7
>>70108367
Klinkt best prima wat ze willen. Ben ook wel positief over het optreden van Bontes mbt MH17. Tegen de tijd dat we TK verkiezingen krijgen maar eens in verdiepen en kijken of het nut heeft om VNL te stemmen boven PVV.
>>70108165
but I think, return western Banderland into Polish rule is a bad idea. There is population, which hates both Russians and Poles. And last but not least, it's poorest region in Ukropland, because there isn't any industry there. The poorest region in Poland is more developed than Lwów or Łuck
For every "yes" vote we'll raise the dyke by 10 meters
>>70108161
>Average salary in Ukrain has been lowered at least 4 times since 2013.
2013- 400$ (hryvna/$=8.25)
2015- 220$ (hryvna/$=24)
Russia:
2013- 900$ (ruble/$=33)
2015- 440$ (ruble/$=75)
>>70108306
like in ukraine, kek
Nieuwe kankerdraad, jongens. Maar melk deze nog effe uit.
>>70108590
>>70108590
>>70108590
>>70108461
It's pretty hard to say. From what I've read some people say around 16.00 half the voters will have voted. Others say around half will vote after 18.00.
I can't be arsed sifting through previous elections' detailed turnout numbers though.
>>70102536
>Article 10: we promise mutual defence between the EU and Ukraine.
So this is a defense pact? You want a defense pact with the powder keg of Europe. Are you EU fags fucking insane?
Holy shit you fucking morons just wipe out all these shit EU countries
>>70108367
Zetelroof is het sowieso. Want alleen mensen die op Wilders hebben gestemd, zullen er überhaupt over peinzen VNL te stemmen. Ik hoop dat ze kiezers van de VVD weg kunnen snoepen.
>>70104008
And that is?
>>70108596
>(hryvna/$=24)
Yeah good luck buying american dollars in Ukraine. Oh wait you can't.
>>70102940
>Implying it isn't the best dick to suck
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>>70108596
if you are not proxy you must know that average salary (in post soviet states) is what company pays officialy
what we call average salary is different here
it depends on nominal GDP if you measure in dollars. (idont even mention that ukraine accumulated debts to pay shit lol)
if nominal GDP in russia is 5 times higher than in ukraine then average "salary" is around 4-5 times higher.
you dont wnat to hear the truth lol
>>70108858
>11 stripes
I've failed freedom.
>>70108478
russian snowniggers are starving and dying except moscow which is cucked by Chechens and Muslim migrants, this is a fact.
>>70103838
>Ja ja, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN.
>Fuck off.
Something that obviously never happened in Ukraine. Top kek.
>>70108979
>russian snowniggers
cockhole pls
>>70109239
You're pathetic. Look at your russian svins, pls.
>>70105952
That's autistic too, you retarded homo.
How are things in the motherland?
You as cucked as the nigels/svens/hans'?
>>70109868
Not yet. The cucked status is mostly reserved for the major western cities (Amsterdam, The Hague, Rotterdam, etc.)
The rest of the country is doing fine for now.
>>70109464
talk about constructive feedback!
>>70110010
ORANJE WANNEER
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