What are you going to vote for today, Dutchbros?
>>70087899
Tegen, lul
Tegen!
Willen wij meer of minder Oekraine?
I am not going to vote. This is just so much waste of our tax money just so people can go DAS RITE DEMOCRACY WOOO FU EU!!. The outcome will not matter one bit as they will still accept the deal. We choose representatives of the people so that we do not have to decide about every fucking thing while we know nothing about the subject matter. Perhaps the people should have checked what the standings of their party is before voting them into office.
I am not voting cause I hope the turn out gets <30% and everyone can see what a waste of money and time it was.
>>70087899
lel Ukraine
>dat plane doe
>>70088798
Why do you say this. If the NO-vote wins and the turn out exceeds 30%, they will still ignore the wishes of the Dutch people. We know that but it also shows just how undemocratic we have become. Even if we force this referendum we still can't fight this European monster that calls itself an Union. It'll be just like 2005. Doesn't this goes to show the importance of voting no? At least we can give a symbol to the world that we really really tried to stop this EU for once. It'll at the very least embolden the Brits to vote to leave in June.
voting against of course, with the whole family. fuck the EU and their globalist bullshit. i want an eastern border with russia, not an eastern front. i know enough about WWII not to go to war with the ivans. ukraine is a corrupt shithole, a highly developed rich nation such as ours has no business there. there's nothing to gain for us whatsoever, only more losses.
they were part of the soviet union for many decades, millions of russians live there. they should not be part of the EU.
>cockholes will never understand its better for them to stay out of EU
>>70087899
I am amazed how people can call their countrys "democratic" if you dont have the right give your gouvernment a big FU and vote against them
>>70088798
Votings are never a waste of money
>>70088798
We hebben je wel in de gaten Pechtold.
Ga straks maar lekker in een hoekje huilen
Against
>fuck ukraine better import more muslims
t. niederländer
just voted against, in spite of my family trying to convince me otherwise.
i hope the end result was worth it and the political parties decide to put the association agreement in the trash. Most likely case in my book, there will (unfortunately) be a small note on the end of the agreement that states that the dutch do not view this agreement as a first step in joining the EU.
>>70091568
It's more of a "fuck the EU" thing
>>70087899
Voting Trump today senpai.
Tegen natuurlijk. Kanker EU.
But why are you voting against? Don't you want another 99% white christian country in your ranks?
Against ofcourse.
fuck ukraine, and fuck Rutte.
the lies of the 'for' camp are disgusting.
hey there. how is it going?
>>70088798
the 30% will be reached. there was enough momentum buildup in the last few days that at least 30% will show up
also, if you do decide to vote, i can advise not to vote 'blanco' because it will still count as a vote and will help get to the 30%. just do what you think is right.
voting blanco explained: http://nos.nl/liveblog/2097396-nederland-stemt-over-associatieverdrag-oekraine.html (dutch)
>>70092295
It wont stay 99% white when theyr in the EU. So were saving them from themselves.
Banderist Ukrs need to stay the fuck out.
>>70092382
I'm good man, I am gonna vote against the treaty in a couple of hours.
>>70092537
That actually makes sense.
>>70088173
>>70087899
Tegen,
De media shillt kankerhard. Des te meer reden om tegen te stemmen.
>>70087899
Thats today.
Come on Aquafresh, dont fail.
Say no to them fucks.
>>70088798
>We choose representatives of the people so that we do not have to decide about every fucking thing while we know nothing about the subject matter.
thats what this whole thing is about you fucking retard. eurocrats are not fucking elected by the people. they are forced upon us by the EU. that's why we have this agreement, to put voting power back in the peoples hands.
Stel het word "ja" verbeteren we dan de levens omstandigheden daar ?
>>70093035
Tuurlijk niet. Het verdrag bestaat alleen om de EU-elite, het bedrijfsleven en de oligarchen in Oekraïne te bevoordelen. Het verdrag brengt zowel het Oekraïnse als het Nederlandse volk niets positiefs.
Het gaat erom dat wij vandaag met een meerderheid NEE stemmen tegen dit verdrag, en dat er minimaal 3,7 miljoen mensen naar de stembus gaan.
De verdere gang van zaken zien we dan wel weer, maar het is in ieder geval belangrijk voor de geschiedenisboekjes dat wij net als in 2005 laten zien dat zelfs een NEE-stem de uitbreiding van de EU-instituties en EU-macht niet kan tegenhouden. Dit is belangrijk omdat dit onweerlegbaar de totalitaire en autoritaire en ondemocratische insteek van de EU blootlegt.
>>70091568
our far-right anti-immigrantion party is leading every poll. we are not a suicidal cuckold country like sweden. the main reason people vote against is:
>1. a big fuck you to the EU's ever expanding power over our nation
>2. we don't want another cold war with russia
>3. we don't want yet another invasion of poor migrants looking to abuse our generous welfare systems
number 3 is most important to many people. we are sick and tired of freeloaders looking to profit from shit that we worked for ourselves.
FUCK THE EU
FUCK POROSHENKO
VOTE AGAINST
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
>>70093035
tuurlijk niet, oekraine is heel lang deel van rusland geweest. geen enkele hoeveelheid miljarden zal daar wat aan veranderen. de kloof tussen dat land is zo enorm groot vergeleken met het westen, alle mensen die waardevol zijn voor dat land zullen massaal vertrekken naar de rijke westerse landen. dat betekend dat jij meer gaat betalen, maar ook dat oekraine al hun talent en belangrijke werknemers kwijt raakt waardoor de oorlogen en armoede daar alleen maar erger zullen worden.
moet je eens kijken hoe hard de russische economie getankt is nadat we er sancties op hebben gegooid. de EU maakt de gemiddelde burger in die landen helemaal kapot, terwijl putin en zijn vriendjes gewoon vrolijk doorgaan met hun corrupte praktijken. ondertussen haten ze ons steeds meer en meer. voordat je het weet hebben we weer een nieuwe koude oorlog.
>>70093315
>we don't want yet another invasion of poor migrants looking to abuse our generous welfare systems
How this is relevant? As far as i know only blacks and somalians can get dutch money for free. Ukrainians can't get even working permit, nor travel visa.
>>70091568
If I can vote against muslims I'll promise to do that too. In fact, I always vote based Wilders.
Voted against to protect Ukraine against those Eurocucks. They should stay with Russia to keep their strong slav culture.
>>70093869
>what is visa free travel
>>70093869
It's nothing personal Ukraine.
We just don't like the EU and our government.
>>70087899
Ik stem "kanker"
>>70088484
Who would vote for that guy kek
>>70093869
>Blacks
>And Somalians
I feel like I'm missing something.
>>70094233
Cuck detected
Any results so far dutchbros ?
Any predictions ?
>>70093869
our monthly salaries, even for the lower classes, are almost ten times higher than your average. even a shitty job here would be a massive improvement. once you can travel freely into europe, your country will lose all of its valuable domestic workers leaving only the poorest and the extremists.
we already have an invasion of third worlders that we need to get rid of, we don't need more poor people who are looking to get pampered. it's not our job to fund the rest of the fucking world just because we're rich, i'm not a fucking cash register. already half my income goes to the state, and that's not even including the 20% taxes on everything i buy.
>>70087899
Vote against please, out of pricinple.
Most decisions made by the EU weren't democratic, so block them whenever you have the chance.
I'm firmly Pro-Ukraine in the whole Russian debacle, but staunchly against them having closer ties to the EU.
Whenever a poor or slav nation gets EU monies and freedom of movement, we lose.
>>70094330
The prediction is that the people who will vote will say no, but at least 30% of the populous has to turn up. It will be the numbers that will decide the outcome.
http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/38261/Nieuws/article/detail/4275735/2016/04/04/Thuisblijver-bepaalt-of-referendum-Oekraine-het-redt.dhtml
>>70094171
EU failed at installing puppet government in Ukraine after 2014 and trying to backpedal the deal, that's why you have a referendum. And it's all personal, you nederlanders get permission to vote from your Brussels overlords only because you hate slavs so much.
>>70094330
Against will almost certainly win, but the thrnout is the problem. 30% has to vote for the government to even talk about it
>>70087899
>Stemmen
>huidig jaar.
Is goed vriend, blijven dromen.. Wat was het ook al weer? Raadgevend toch? Is dat niet hetzelfde als massaal bij iemand aanbellen en vragen om een kopje suiker, sterk aandringen en vervolgens afdruipen wanneer hij geen suiker wil geven?
-
>Zeg willem!
>Ja hans.
>Hee mag ik jou eens wat raad geven.
>natuurlijk mag dat willem.
>Hee moet je niet doen man.
>Willem bedankt voor je advies man maar ik doe het lekker toch.
>Is niet erg hans, was goed bedoelde raad, let verder niet op mij! :)
>>70094504
We don't hate slavs, we hate poor, failed nations scooping up our superior nations gains.
>>70088798
>Representatives.
>We choose.
No.
Time to crash this EUSSR, with no survivors!
>Dutch thread apparently
When are your next national elections and what are Wilders' chances to win and become prime minister?
>>70094622
I just wat to watch it all burn, when will the results come out?
>>70094672
Next year, pray for us Poland.
>>70094477
>I'm firmly Pro-Ukraine in the whole Russian debacle
You shouldn't be. They're nothing but a leech.
>>70093199
Je snapt dat ze gewoon kunnen zeggen dat iedereen ja stemde of juist 51% stemde ja of iets dergelijks.
Je vertrouwt letterlijk iemand die zelf de stemming maakt, inneemt, telt en bekend maakt, terwijl we allemaal weten dat diegene niet te vertrouwen is. Snugger!
Let me dispel this fiction once and for all.
I see a lot of misunderstanding ITT.
This treaty is merely a trade treaty and a political declaration.
Even if Ukraine does well, it won't get into EU in the next 20 years for sure, make it 30 for NATO, if Ukraine is still on the map at all.
Voting against Ukraine in this case is giving Russia a good sloppy blowjob, losing our general European advantage, plus a big trade market and resources.
A bad way to say "fuck EU", but again, gotta give some respect to Kremlin for their flawless operations in Europe, sabotaging our societies from inside out and making us lose geopolitical advantage.
>Lol Baltics u butthurt again
I'm past that, I understand that our cause is lost and Europe lost.
Also, if you are not lazy to do some googling, try to find info about European right wing and Kremlin, you will be surprised.
i should probably mention a lot of people are voting just to fuck the EU. they are tired of being told what to do by unelected eurocrat elites.
us dutch people have always had more negative views of the EU, and right now our hatred is stronger than ever.
>>70094672
None.. next PM will be either Pechtold or some random dude (my money is on pechtold however or atleast D66), Wilders will never win nor should we want him too. (Jews)
>>70094809
You're an idiot if you believe this is just trade..
>>70094809
Did a ruski step on your toe?
>>70094809
>current year
>falling for the "just a trade agreement" meme
Article 10 literally states that the EU and Ukraine will try to provide military support to each other.
Ik ga zo meteen tegen stemmen jongens
>>70094809
>He thinks /pol/ opposes Russia
>>70094995
this
>>70094734
This. Our governments (both the previous and the current one) have been sending huge monies in "aid" to the Ukraine, if not because of anything else then just to piss off Russia I presume. This is a most unfortunate state of affairs. The anti-Russian attitude of the current government is probably its most significant flaw.
>>70094680
Voting is till 21:00, so probably tomorrow or so
>>70094809
Fuck off, all we get is a 10% less tariffs cut on our 0.12% cheese expert while we have to fork over billions to bust your poor ass out. We (the people of the EUSSR) gain NOTHING.
Requesting the Dutch girl who says Dutch guys are kind of feminine
>>70094995
>Ukraine will try to provide military support
That's fucking rich.
>>70094929
>Wilders will never win nor should we want him too. (Jews)
So Wilders is against islamisation but pro-Israel (and in bed with Jews generally)? So it's a "choose your poison" situation?
>>70095139
You have enough coalburning whores to worry about yourself
>>70094995
ITS JUST A TRADE AGREEMENT BRO
>>70095139
>burger.
>>70095171
There are enough rumors he has been installed by Israel, just because of that I dont want him. I hate/love both the sandniggers and the noses, but if I had to choose I guess I'd take the jews for the first few weeks, truth is both party's either want me dead or slaving my ass off.
>>70094477
Fuck off globalist
>>70095020
I know very well that local europeans are suffering from Stockholm syndrome towards Russia.
But it's fun to penetrate their safe space sometimes.
>>70094982
And a political declaration, which is good for Europe
>>70094995
>try
Which would probably mean selling Ukraine guns or military services (experts).
>>70095086
This treaty does not oblige anyone to financially support Ukraine.
Anyway, Russia will be very excited if that treaty fails. And something that is good for Russia was never good for Europe.
Just stop pretending that Russia and Europe were friends fucking ever.
hardly just a tariff removal
>>70095139
Says the coalburning 60% white SJW factory country.
>>70091245
Hahaha
>>70095412
Fuck off globalist
>>70095545
>This year
>Thinking that globalism is not innevitable
>>70091568
It's a vote against the EU. This referendum is symbolic
>>70095348
>There are enough rumors he has been installed by Israel
oy vey shut it down
>>70095412
pls stop posting
Im not voting, this whole thing is a meme not worthy of my attention.
>>70095485
>training journalists
WHAT
That's the first I've heard of that, what does that entail exactly? Is there any more about that in the agreement?
>>70095711
Jij bent wel stoer!
>>70088798
Pechtold aub ga weg
>>70095673
>mfw someone believes that this "aid" is just "free money" carrying no benefits to donor countries
Okay, whatever, enjoy your safe-space.
>>70095735
probably training them to censor any opinions that are not "politically correct".
>>70093869
Don't take it personally Ukraine. They will only vote no because they hate the EU and everything it stands for.
Understand that it's better for Ukraine to stay out of the EU. The EU really really sucks. The people don't have a say anymore, it's a parliament and a commission in Brussels and Strassburg that governs the whole thing. They work solely for the big corporations and don't give a damn about what the people want or thing. You will have to give up the control over your own borders to the EU, and the EU will do nothing with it. Stay out of this hellhole
>>70094809
lol baltics you fucking butthurt again
god I fucking hate the majority of lithuanians that sulk on the past, fucking kill yourself already
>>70095984
Okay, now take this bait: Ukraine gets rejected by EU, what is the future of Ukraine then? Independence, right?
What is the future of the whole eastern region then?
>inb4 I don't care they are far away lol I skipped history classes, who cares about geopolitics ayy lmao
>>70095412
Try Again
>>70094233
We have lots of retards here, just look at this thread
>>70096163
(and yes i know its dutch)
go look for a english version somewhere yourself
>>70096154
The future of Ukraine is Russia. I'm willing to admit Ukraine is a meme country just like mine.
>>70094562
En als de regering de uitslag (nee) naast zich neer legt hebben ze een probleem bij de volgende verkiezing.
Wat een kanker mongool ben jij zeg
>>70096255
Ze gaan het naast zich neerleggen hoor. Het verdrag werd al deels geïmplementeerd en die liberale hond van een Karel De Gucht die meeschreef aan het verdrag zei vanmorgen impliciet in de krant dat hij geen rotte cent geeft om wat er vandaag gestemd wordt
FUCK
>>70092757
Daarom gewoon door die kanker propaganda de hele tijd. we worden zo kanker hard bespeeld daarom tegen. plus de Nee stem zal laten zien dat we geen echte democratie hebben en dat zou geweldig zijn
>>70096384
En dus heeft de VVD/PVDA een groot probleem bij de volgende verkiezing als ze toch voor een ja gaan.
Je verliest een beetje maar je krijgt toch wat.
>>70096451
Europa zal pas vrij zijn als elk partijhoofdkwartier en elke nieuwsredactie in lichterlaaie staat
>Ukrainian market gets flooded with goods from europe
>nobody wants Ukrainian goods
>Ukraine becomes bigger shithole
>Ukraine starts cleaning toilets in Poland
>voting
>>70095984
All our west neighbors are in EU, how isolation from our neighbors can be good? You just throw us under a bus. And no, i don't want to be "freeeeend of rusia" we have "civil war" with.
>>70096175
t. NOS
Against the treaty, of course. Fuck Ukraine. Corrupt fuckers who just want to leech off of Europe. Besides how would this treaty benefit me at all? It's just the rich getting richer, so no I am against this shit.
>>70096550
>voting is useless!
>talking about politics on an anime image board is such a better use of my time!
>>70096564
Ukraine is bangladeah tier country, no1 cares about you
Not voting out of principle
Referendums are stupid and having a referendum about something like this is incredibly stupid
>>70096659
Why did you care about Bulgaria, Romania and all south Balkan shitholes then? They no different.
Why can't all European countries choose to be homogeneous like Poland?
>>70096836
We don't. We only got the ability to call referendums recently and you lot were our first opportunity to use it and tell the EU to fuck off.
>>70096225
Wanneer joinen jullie ons nou in Vlaanderen? duurt nu al weer paar honderd jaar
>>70096836
Trust me, if it came to a vote no one would vote for those countries to be in the EU
>>70096836
Yeah they shouldn't have joined. Romania is especially useless, they export their gypsies to Western Europe.
It's gonna be the majority FOR, anyway.
Just watch.
And everyone on TV will be cheering.
Why the fuck you want to join the Union I don't know. You just got out of the Soviet Union and now you want to join another Union. Don't you want independence? The parliament and commission of the EU is full of progressive socialists and communists. These parties literally call themselves communists and socialists. Soon you are going to have to accept Jamal in your society, legalize anything un-christian, make your economy completely dependent on your neighbours and eventually see your country dieing a slow and agonizing death.
>Refferendum ends up being a big "No"
>Rutte ignores it
>Pic related
>>70087899
Vote "NO"
But it will change nothing, because everything has been decided in brussel and washington.
>>70096744
t. Pechtold
Ukraine will just be another Greece.
>>70096564
The EU will collapse. Inevitably. If it's not because of a brexit, nexit, grexit, frexit or whatever, it will be because they can't handle our border and our security. That's a politician's primary job yet they don't give a fuck
>>70097016
According to some parties, they will accept the No vote and go with the people on this one even if their party is for the treaty.
>>70096989
>implying
The Pro-treaty camp has a massive conflict of interest in voting due to the 30% treshold. Yes politicians also fucked up with some calling for yes people to vote and others to stay home. If half the yes voters stay home, the other half will help the No camp to a legal win.
EU is finished, if Britain leaves.
Just so you guys know, it doesn't matter which one you vote for. They will never give us an opportunity to go to the European countries without documents, visa, all this important stuff.
So even if "yes" wins, your countries WILL NOT be flooded with Ukrainians. Just so you know.
>>70097107
You will save europe from upcoming wars if you vote "NO"
>>70097096
There's already a majority in the Tweede Kamer that said they want to respect the outcome of the referendum no matter what. Although I feel like the other dutch anon said, they will probably update the treaty with a line that says this treaty is not meant as a first step towards Ukrainian EU membership. Will be voting NO today though since it's our duty as free peoples to give a big finger towards Juncker, Timmermans, Schulz, Barroso, Merkel and all those other traitors.
>>70097223
Don't worry hoholbro, I'll be making sure my family votes no
>>70097223
How do we make any differrence?
Europeans will have to grow some balls in the future to fight off shitskins. We have NO impact on that at all.
>>70097015
Oh my fucking god you are stupid and delusional.
What independence are you talking about? It's eastern fucking region, who is going to let them be independent with their 1/3 of a country controlled by "SEPARATISTS"?
Oh and please staph with your "mudslime threat", you won't find a single one east of German border.
Or you know what, prove me wrong. Say, EU collapsed today. How it's fucking better?
>>70097210
Actually, you're wrong. There is exactly that in the treaty, visa free travel. So while in practice we won't be flooded by Ukrainians ofcourse, in theory this treaty gives Ukrainians exactly that opportunity if they'd wish.
>>70096836
Oh, look, Ukrainian found out that no one gives a fuck about him. Surprise! Maybe if your "second france" have done something more than just bitching about your tragic past we wouldn't be able to take an entire peninsula from you without a single shot.
>>70097239
This. I'd like to see Nigel Farage or Geert Wilders lead the EU just so they could dismantle the whole fucking thing.
>>70097298
>There is exactly that in the treaty, visa free travel.
It will not be given to us. Trust me, our government is so fucked up that they will just ignore that part. You know why? Because every single young citizen will GET THE FUCK out of here.
So you're wrong. Just because it's written in there, doesn't mean it will work like that.
>>70094562
Je snapt blijkbaar niet dat als 'tegen' wint en de overheid het zich naast zich neer legt dit een boodschap zal sturen naar de bevolking he
>>70097015
Again, all our neighbors are in EU, and i don't want to be isolated from my fellow gypsy/kurwa/baltic friends. East European countries not falling to "multicultural" meme. We have hardcore natsocs in parliament, no Jamals will be stupid enough to try and come here.
>>70097271
>the Big Guy of the EU
>cant afford a dental plan
Christ
>>70097415
>We have hardcore natsocs in parliament
THE FUCK??? Who?
>>70097283
Well first off the only reason your country is becoming liveable again the last few years is because WE the rich west have to pay billions a year to baltic, south and eastern european countries, you slimy cunts.
Next, we wouldn't have to accept a quarter of a fucking million north africans in our society, that is already way to fucking densely populated.
Next, we wouldn't have the EU pretty much trying to BAN every possibility to buy weapons here, which is already incredibly strict. The EU is already trying to restrict Czech's good weapon laws.
Next, our country will still exist 15 years from now if the EU collapses.
>>70097415
It's fucking 10% tariffs
The EU is about to push for a EU-centralized decision making entity for the refugee crisis. You will see Jamal rape your mother if you join senpai
>>70096895
>choose
If we could we would
This is the first choice we've gotten since they ignored the previous referendum
>>70097374
So then why would we have a treaty at all if your government is so fucked that they will only cherry-pick articles of it that they will benefit from?
>>70097365
The EU isn't such a bad idea. It's really good for countries like the Netherlands to be able to trade freely between our neighboring countries. However the EU fucked up when they let shit countries like Romania and Greece in.
East Europe should form their own independent union, to counterbalance Russia.
I will all use all the possible force within me to try and crash this union. Britain and Netherlands will be the first countries to step out.
>>70097553
Benelux+ sounds great
A full EU is a shit idea though, too many conflicting opinions
>>70097553
Benelux was a brilliant Idea.
The Eu is taking it to far.
>>70097272
Main problem for europe is demand, market and debt
Main problem for Russia & co is market, growth, export etc
Ukraine will collapse in less than 5 years if it continues to make such stupid economic policy. War in ukraine will continue and more regions wil break away.
>>70097270
Ask more people to voe "NO'. Soros is shit.
>>70097507
>You will see Jamal rape your mother if you join senpai
Just like Poland and Hungary did, i get it. You cucks are pathetic
>>70097365
Darn those are some fine thighs.
>>70097553
Guess what, free trade is perfectly possible without giving up your national sovereignty, your national government, your own democracy, and your own human rights.
This is the perfect alternative for the EU.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association
>>70097532
That's the other question. Not going to lie I want to get out of here as well. Poland, Germany, Netherlands, France, I don't care, I just want to gtfo and build a family with my gf elsewhere.
The thing is - our politicians are cancer. Literally cancer. They will abuse the EU as hard as possible (to steal money of course).
So I think it's a question of morality. You help your fellow slavs to get out, but suffer from the incompetence of Poroshenko, or you leave us here
>>70097553
Nah the whole premisis of the EU is socio-economic partnership through free trade (read: corporate globalism).
We would be better of with a European military allliance and a joint border policy.
>>70097739
You are on your own bud! Good luck
>>70097681
forgot to add.
problems are*
migrants are only a political problem also they have impact on ethnic composition of population. but they cant start a war in europe.
VOOR
FUCK RUSSIA
>>70097747
>European military alliance
>What is NATO
>>70097015
Al mijn dit
Please vote No and safe us all!
Nobody wants to pay for dumb ukrainian scum.
>>70096895
Turkroach and the moolies would choose the same, in the same country. Because they were born here and raised here and are also humans and deserve whitey's sympathy at the cost of whitey's sanity and wealth, right?
If they'd fuck off with their split nationality and their split cultural values, that'd be lovely.
>>70097850
>Nobody wants to pay for dumb ukrainian scum.
Implying you'll have to pay.
>>70097815
Exactly. A European alliance instead of NATO. NATO is entirely controlled from Washington D.C. We don't have the same geopolitical aspirations as the US and we don't want to be fighting their wars for Israel either.
If we would've had a European military alliance we could have sealed off our borders and deal with the situation in Syria on our behalf
N E E
E
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>>70097739
The fucking problem is that we don't want you here. We are getting flooded with immigrants.
Immigrants don't integrate. They form their own little clubs with other immigrants. The Polish do the same. It's just natural human behaviour, and that's why the Schengen treaty is absolute cancer. Our welfare societies are being depleted in favour of foreigners.
If this continuous, civil unrest will rise,
ghetto's will pop up everywhere just like France,
national debt will sky-rocket, social services will be cut, the 200.000 young african and arabian men will revolt, our small army of 30.000 will lose in the civil wars, they will take over and establish a caliphate and the Netherlands will not exist anymore.
>>70097799
>je economie naar de klote helpen om rusland te irriteren
>>70097902
>Implying millions of european taxpayer euros won't go to Ukraine to help stimulate the economy (Read: Help some corrupt Ukrainian fuckhead banker buy his second Bentley)
>dutch referendum
>about something thats already decided and in place
>people thinking it could change things
>EU listening to the small boy crying in the corner after something has been decided
Yeahhh no. This referendum isn't going to do shit but put a knife in EU/Dutch relationship if it's No. Regardless of how you feel about the EU we at this time have nothing to gain by being edgy against them.
Blanco all the way!
>>70097982
dude, I understand, I get it. I am not pressuring you or anything. It's a fucked up situation for all of us.
daily reminder, the EUSSR government is fucking with us.
>>70087899
Voting against and made loads of people vote against aswell
Bпepёд poccия)))
>>70098039
We have a lot to gain by exposing the antidemocratic nature of the EU. It would embolden the Brits to vote for Brexit in June. It could even bring the entire house of cards down.
>>70094233
t. Ali
>>70098039
the amount of shills is worrysome.
if it's a NO, and if they continu to do continu with it, the people here will get angrier and more red-pilled.
I don't know much about the EU, my one question is other than forced immigration (which alone is worth leaving it) what else is wrong with it?
>>70087899
Tegen.
De rest van de familie, collega's en vrienden ook tegen.
Het belangrijkste is dat de 30% wordt gehaald.
>>70098112
Hahaha this is unreal
>>70098112
I have to agree, this is a great way to prevent dumb people from voting.
>>70098454
30% is needed..
voor
Iedereen die tegen stemt, heeft het verdrag niet gelezen en is een hoorndrager van geenstijl
>>70098355
Here's a few
-Allows Ukrainian multinationals to export goods to the EU that doesn't meet our standards, like poultry
-EU pledges unrestricted financial assistance, at the least 11 billion euros.
-Military cooperation and "crisis management", with a country in civil war and in proxy war with Russia
-Visa free travel to the human trafficking center of Europe
-They're corrupt as fuck
>>70098531
>impliceren jij hebt het hele verdrag gelezen
Noem een paar voorargumenten aub
>>70098531
Kleine homofiel
>>70098513
Will they reach it?
>>70098531
Want jij hebt het wel gelezen zeker
>>70098531
Hallo Mark
>>70098531
Tegen.
Iedereen die voor stemt, heeft het verdrag niet gelezen en is een hoorndrager van de VARA.
>eurocucks prefer mudslimes instead of white hardworking ubermensch Ukrainians
>>70097982
>The fucking problem is that we don't want you here.
You can close your eyes and pretend there are no Ukraine in Europe, but this will only lead to strongest political and military ties between Ukraine and United States. And I like the idea, you cuks should be surrounded by USA puppets and enjoy your physical isolation.
>>70098531
t. Alexander Pechtold
>>70095959
sheeeeit
But seriously, if this implies 'training journalists' is a governmental task this agreement can get fucked on that basis alone. I refuse to give up on independent journalism like this.
I can't find this passage in the text of the agreement, though.
>>70097016
would pay a considerable amount of money to see that
>>70097016
Wie is de gemiddelde VVD-stemmer?
>>70098671
Lel, if we could vote on mudslimes we'd vote no as well.
>>70098671
>ukrainians
>white
Go away, tatar rapebaby.
>>70098831
That means your vote doesn't matter.
>>70098543
Thanks. I hear you on the exporting shit food from other countries.
>>70098827
De naive werkende Nederlander
>>70098843
Жывe Бeлapycь, bitch.
>>70098894
Yeah no shit, but at least we can EXPOSE that it doesn't matter with these referendums. To bring to the facade of democracy. Why do you think we're having them?
>>70098894
No it doesn't
>>70087899
Please give the EU the middle finger. The actions of the few brave Dutch could galvanise the British into destroying this union. You, being our brothers on the continent will get our full support when you leave the union
on the dutch sites the people against have like reasons and arguments
and the people in favor don't
>>70098894
We know
We just want them to admit that it doesn't
>>70095409
I literally argued against globalization, you autist.
>>70098531
>>70098611
mooie samenvatting van het debat
>>70098966
Щe нe вмepлa, нo yжe cкopo, tatar in denial.
>>70098987
>tfw Dutch vote No
>tfw British vote Brexit
>tfw when the Queen dies we'll depose Charles and restore the personal union
>>70098996
>and the people in favor don't
except >if you vote no you're literally putin
> Letting a country struggling in a (civil) war join the EU
what a glorious idea!
>>70099077
>cкopo
This meme has to die. It never happens. Ддo Киeвa зa 2 дня.
>>70099106
You Germans seem to think so
>>70098577
Hoeveel roebels betaalt het Kremlin je om te shitposten onder een proxy?
>>70098577
Het voorstel is voornamelijk een handelsovereenkomst. Er is een gigantisch deel weggezet voor bureaucratische bepalingen, zoals waar producten aan moeten voldoen om de in unie verhandeld te worden, welke zones wel of niet vrijhandelszones zijn, handels- en aanmerkingsprocedures enzovoorts. In tegenstelling tot wat menig hoorndrager denkt (zie replieken op mijn eerdere post) staat er letterlijk niets in over toetreding tot de EU.
Argumenten?
>maakt handel met Oekraïne makkelijker en betrouwbaarder
>maakt Oekraïne een betere afzetmarkt voor Europese producten
>geeft meer transparantie van Oekraïne naar buiten toe
>geeft EU (ons dus) meer mogelijkheid om zich met Oekraïne te bemoeien
>trekt Oekraïne meer naar de Europese invloedssfeer
Oekraïne is een land met een relatief groot importoverschot. Met dit verdrag kunnen we een groter deel van die import voorzien met Europese producten, in plaats van Russische, op een transparantere en veiligere manier dan voorheen.
>>70094809
>Voting against Ukraine in this case is giving Russia a good sloppy blowjob
>b-but i'm not butthurt, i s-swear!!11
>>70099106
>civil war
Stop eating shit from RT.
>>70096921
Vind ik wel een goeie voor een volgend referendum.
>>70097690
You're such a stupid white nigger, they are introducing that NOW, in reaction to Poland and Hungary
Fucking idiot
Net tegen gestemd.
>>70088484
WE GAAN EEN DIJK BOUWEN, EN BELGIË GAAT ER VOOR BETALEN!
>>70098671
Te, кoтopыe hardworking - oни и тaк пyть нaйдyт. A вoт нaцики и пpoчиe пoпpыгyны ни нa чтo, кpoмe нacилия бaндaми и pycoфoбcкoй pитopики нe cпocoбны.
>>70099179
En wat als ik Oekraïne niet in met de EU wil betrekken of überhaupt niet in onze invloedssfeer wil?
>>70099164
eeeey daar is één van de voorargumenten
>>70092618
It makes complete sense. This is a vote for white genocide in Ukraine.
Ukraines will want it, because they see free money from Europe coming, and help fighting Russia (neither of which they will get)
They will get Coudenhove kalergi.
>>70099301
Tвoя мaмкa нa мнe любит пoпpыгaть. Ha pycню пoхyй вooбщe, пoкa ecть кгбшный кapлик в Кpeмлe.
>>70094391
Motherfucking feels.
youre a good dutchman, the danes are rubbing off on you.
>>70099179
Vragen om voorargumenten maakt iemand een Kremlintroll.
Jij legt iemand woorden in de mond. Het is dan misschien wel voornamelijk een handelsverdrag, het omhelst alsnog politieke culturele en militaire artikelen.
Alsnog zoals anderen ook al zeggen, wij hebben niets met Oekraïne te maken en ik zie geen enkele noodzaak waarom Russische import vervangen zou moeten worden met Europese import.
Daarnaast:
>geeft EU (ons dus) meer mogelijkheid om zich met Oekraïne te bemoeien
En dit is iets goeds omdat...?
Ik stem juist tegen omdat ik gek word van die bemoeizucht van die ondemocratische EU
>>70087899
Mijn vader gaat voor stemmen, zijn betoog kwam uiteindelijk neer op
>GeenStijl mag niet winnen, want het zijn trolls
>>70099236
Don't be so butthurt. Yes, your county consist of racemixers and cucks, but this is not your personal fault.
>>70099301
Haдeюcь ты пoнимaeшь, чтo c пopaшными дeгeнepaтoм paзгoвapивaть бecпoлeзнo? И винoй тyт нe нaциoнaльнaя пpинaдлeжнocть.
>>70099398
>>70099179
>EU (ons dus)
Dropped
In the second Punic war Carthaginian general Hannibal Barca beat the living shit out of the Romans several times until finally the Romans elected a dictator, a man named Fabian
Fabian didn't attack Hannibal directly but instead he just followed him around Italy, making sure he couldn't do to much damage.
This strategy, known as Fabian tactics, was incredibly unpopular in Rome. If they had held a referendum about it they would have voted no and Rome would have almost certainly been destroyed.
Referendums are dumb and we shouldn't set a precedent for them now just to say fuck you to the EU, damage our relations with all the countries around us and spread europe's asscheeks wide open for Putin's cock
>>70094809
Article 10: mutual defense
Article 19: visa free travel (yay more cheap labour ruining Dutch jobs)
Article 23: unlimited financial support in case of default (i.e. a second Greece).
EU shill, fuck off.
>>70099179
Heb helaas geen tijd om je fatsoenlijk van repliek te dienen
http://925.nl/archief/2016/03/31/oekraine-gaat-ons-snel-en-onvermijdelijk-tot-eur-315-miljard-kosten-en-dat-ligt-niet-aan-putin-1/
Eventueel andere artikelen van arno wellens zijn ook een aanrader om even te lezen voordat je voor gaat stemmen
>>70099203
And start eating shit from ukrainian media? Even your military was saying that up to 75-80% of terrorist are locals.
>>70099527
You know your country is shit if migrants don't even want to come there
>>70099565
>Let's ignore what the people want so the eurocrats don't get mad at us
Grow a fucking spine, you idiot
>>70099164
Kanker op autist ben gewoon nederlander
>>70097415
You fucking idiot.
WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A WALL, AND GREECE IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT
Can someone explain the ''t. (name)'' thing?
>>70099620
The people are too fucking dumb to decide anything
This has been proven time and time again throughout history
Just voted against and since my parents are on vacation I voted for them aswel.
>>70099512
Je vader is een beetje kukkerig.
>>70099605
> ukrainian media says that up to 80% "terrorists" are locals
Well I guess that confirms it. 98% of the separatists are locals.
>>70099639
Conspiracy dipshits need to go
I don't really get why do you vote against. I mean it's an association, not full membership. And that means that Ukraine is gonna be just another market for EU, witch you immidietly flood with tons of your goods and stimulate your economy.
Ukraine, on the other hand, will get literally nothing from this association (not even shengen) and practically will become EU colony.
I don't get it. Where is your capitalistic "just business" approach?
>>70099648
Betekent min of meer "hoogachtend" in het Fins. En daar komt Spurdo vandaan.
>>70095079
> The anti-Russian attitude of the current government is probably its most significant flaw.
Why so many polish are pro-Russian today..? Are you're ok with the fact that you were basically ruled by them for the last ~150-200 years until recently..?
>>70099717
>Stimulate your economy
drop in the fucking bucket, how will this in any way better me?
It's not just the Dutch that will want to ''trade'', you're competing with 30 other nations, great profits to be made yeah, we're going to profit so much
>>70094715
dat gaan we niet redden vriend een kogel van links en het is gebeurd nederland is niet poland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-zSdMSRo
>>70099761
They are mad about Lviv.
>>70087899
I don't want a second Greece, the first one is still hurting tax-wise. We don't need a war with Russia either.
>>70088798
Landsverrader, hoop dat ze een AZC naast je huis bouwen met je pro EU gezeik.
>>70099761
Wake up cockhole. Only shills are anti-Russian. You're not a country.
>>70099512
>Mijn vader gaat stemmen
Minderjarige gedetecteerd
>>70099565
What does your historical comparison have to do with anything?
If a referendum was held in 1937 Germany on Hitler the people would've voted that they'd want him to continue leading Germany so we'd better abolish our democracy amirite
>>70099816
>catholism has outplayed protestantism in a country found by a protestant revolt
>>70099893
Antilliaan gedetecteerd
>>70099699
>Coudenhove Kalergi
>Conspiracy
It's the official founding policy of your Union derp. Your retarded parents probably voted for it somewhere along the way, if they are even white.
Your president Merkel and Junker have accepted, with great pride "the Coudenhove award" for excellence in enriching Europe.
>>70099236
Majority of pro-european maidan ukrainians are white niggers.
Even soros admits that if ukraine collapses, europe will be flooded with couple millions of refugees and with weapon
Ask more people to vote "No"
i want to get rid of this "niggers" but collapse is too big price
>>70099893
Want als je meerderjarig bent heb je opeens geen vader meer?
>>70095485
Waar vind je dit? Kom het niet tegen in de volledige tekst van het verdrag.
>>70091371
Ondergewaardeerd
>>70099811
How is that revalent to association? You are talking about inside competition in the EU for ukraine market.
And, btw, are you saying that your economic can't withhold a little market competition? Are things in holland that bad or you just talking shit?
>>70099943
I wouldn't trust Soros much.
>>70100021
Germany pretty much dominates the European market, all other countries are just sucklings.
>>70099360
Dan zou je dus tegen moeten stemmen, maar ik denk dat je de voordelen onderschat. Op dit moment maken corrupte oligarchen daar de dienst uit. Het zijn dit soort overeenkomsten die op de lange termijn Oekraïne de kans geven om zich te ontwikkelen tot een degelijke staat.
>>70099601
Mooi artikel. Ik was nog niet bekend met de bron, maar ga er vaker gebruik van maken.Ik moet wel zeggen dat er ontzettend zelfzuchtig naar het totaalplaatje gekeken wordt. Het wordt als een nadeel gezien dat er geld van de oligarchen en onze banken "verdwijnt in de zakken van Oekraïnse burgers". Naar mijn mening is dat iets positiefs, maar vooruit. Verder denk ik dat dit soort overeenkomsten het voor onze financiële instanties makkelijker maken om ons geld te verhalen daar waar dat nodig is. De insolvabiliteit is zonder deze overeenkomst al een feit, dus dat is geen argument. De kans vergroten om geld te verhalen op Oekraïnse rechtspersonen is dat wel en daarmee een goede reden om voor te stemmen.
>>70100021
>And, btw, are you saying that your economic can't withhold a little market competition? Are things in holland that bad or you just talking shit?
Yes please get those Ukranian truck drivers over here so they can work for even less money so Dutch drivers can lose their jobs! It's best for the economy!
>>70099850
>Ik will geen oorlog met Rusland
Vriend hoe achterlijk ben je? Oorlog met Rusland gaat nooit gebeuren. Beide Rusland en NAVO hebben genoeg atoombommen om elkaar van de kaart te vegen, en zijn bar weinig dingen die ooit tot oorlog zouden leiden omdat oorlog praktisch het eind van de wereld zou betekenen.
Ga je maar eens verdiepen in de koude oorlog, en zijn redenen waarom en nooit echt oorlog is uitgebroken tussen het westen en de USSR/China, het zou namelijk wederzijdse vernietiging betekenen.
>>70099919
It proves referendums are dumb
If we held a referendum saying we should abolish all taxes, people would vote for it
I'm not saying we should abolish democracy, even though it is a deeply flawed system, I think it's the best system we have. I'm just saying referendums are dumb
>>70099943
Always do the opposite what Soros says
Welke uitkomst zorgt dat WW3 eerder komt?
>>70100021
It's an extremely small profit that >you (implying I better in any way) will make.
Why risk pissing off Putin, weakening Ukrainian businesses and dumping money in Ukraine just so some big businesses in the netherlands can profit from it?
>>70100072
Then, for the fuck sake, why are you still in EU?
>>70099639
Literally a wet russian dream in one picture. That's why modern Europe prefers to feed us to the Russian Mongols
>>70099742
Dank je
https://poetinder.nl/
And you don't like Poetin now you bigoted homohating xenophoob Hitler you. Do you?
>>70100021
>russian wants Ukraine to be with EU
>>70087899
EU is going down in the next few years, who cares if they join or not.
>>70100078
Als oligarchen daar de dienst uit maken en zij hun macht kwijt zouden raken door dit verdrag, waarom zouden zij dan een samenwerkingsverdrag tekenen?
>>70091371
Praise kek
>>70100158
>the referendum is about putin
Wow it's like they have no valid arguments at all.
>>70100078
Daarom zijn die politicussen in Oekraine voor dat verdrag, ze zijn natuurlijk ook helemaal clean en willen dat Oekraine corruptie vrij wordt, daar doen ze het om.
>>70100160
>russian
>>70099697
Nope, only military. Media narrative same as it was = invasion and Kremlin agents everywhere.
>>70100223
>politicussen
maak jezelf van kant
>>70099717
>>70100021
The business part of the treaty will go into effect either way, only Brussels has a say in that. It's all the other stuff that won't go into effect if we vote against. Like sending loadsamoney to a corrupt shithole, needing to help their military, supporting their bio-industry, have all of them come here to steal jobs and profit of our welfare state etc.
And it's also just a big fuck you towards the EU in general, and a good message to our own government that we want less EU.
>>70100158
>Partij van de Allochtonen detected
>>70100139
Because we dug ourselves into it, it's hard to leave, especially with the currency.
>>70099565
>referenda over politieke zaken zijn hetzelfde als referenda over militaire zaken
An army isnt a democracy. The people dont get a vote in the command structure either way.
Wedden dat jij nooit gediend hebt?
As for Referenda being bad: Switzerland is whiter and richer than any of us, because their PEOPLE get to decide.
>>70097016
rellen breken uit, heel nederland staat in brand, in den haag worden galgen neergezet
dan word ik wakker omdat iemand godverdomme schreeuwd het was maar een droom .En dat was het dan iedereen weer terug op de orde van de dag . rutte beloofd met de volgende verkiezing weer 1000 euro ,minder immigratie en iedereen stemt weer vvd
>>70100253
Politici dan, had haast en ben allochtoon.
Maar geef antwoord dan, shill
>>70094391
Underrated post. Can feel you. Both of my parents are surgeons and they work in USA (I'm still here due to university).
>>70100160
> ukrainian threw his country into the shitter because of an association agreement
> ukrainian is surprised some ruski wants them to get flooded with eu goods which will kill domestic industry even more than it already is
>>70100078
>Op dit moment maken corrupte oligarchen daar de dienst uit. Het zijn dit soort overeenkomsten die op de lange termijn Oekraïne de kans geven om zich te ontwikkelen tot een degelijke staat.
Mate, this treaty is pushed by those oligarchs. it only helps them
>>70088798
Hoe is het weer daar in Tel-Aviv?
>>70099935
I googled that ''prize'' and found nothing, why is that?
Does it even exist?
>>70087899
Ukraine = Failed State.
/thread
>>70100207
Omdat corruptie van overheersende partijen vaker wel dan niet een negatieve invloed heeft op de algehele welvaart van een land.
>>70100300
Ik ga niet beweren dat corruptie hiermee compleet verholpen wordt, maar het is een verbetering.
>>70100369
bron
>>70097407
haha net als stemmen tegen de eu grond wet in 2005 ofzo
>>70100110
Working visas are not the part of the association. You have to be a full member to work freely in EU
>>70100160
I don't care really, but if I were a holland guy, why shouldn't I? New 30-40kk market for my country's good with no real strings attached? Hell yeah!
But if i were a hohol I would be against it. And probably already living in Russia at that point.
>>70100057
1)western ukraine produces nothing
2)soon more of this niggers will be unemployed
3)nord-stream 2 will be constructed
4)niggers will not be able to earn money to pay for: gas, electricity, water, food.
5)they will start to plunder everything and will run to europe, because russia will not accept niggers.
6)inequality will grow and eastern and captial regions simply will refuse to feed the rest - they cant anymore
ukraine will collapse sooner or later, but better to make it controllable way to minimize casualties.
>>70100132
vote "no"
soros funded clowns from ukraine that visited brussel to promote this agreement
>>70100384
P O O
>>70087899
Een dikke nee
Not going to vote.
I'm against the agreement
but I am against the childisch behavior of Jan Roos,
>>70096607
Hart van Nederland m8 try again
>>70100444
>het is een verbetering
Daar ga je voor het gemak maar vanuit.
Corrupte mensen in Oekraine zijn voor dit verdrag, waarom zouden ze ervoor zijn als het corruptie bestrijd?
>>70098531
ik haat geen stijjl krijg kanker neder broeder
>>70096836
We don't. The EU gorging itself like a fat toad on countries that are not fit to join it because of mostly economic reasons is one of the problems with the EU.
It's a very practical consideration. Already I'm supposed to compete with Southern Europeans who will work for vastly lower wages. And now I will have to compete with Ukrainians as well? All the while living gets more and more expensive.
We are the first generation since the war that is poorer than their parents. The EU is the driving force behind that, and it's run by baby-boomers who think there is no end to our economic wealth. Most of the arguments in favour of this are about "solidarity" and "helping Ukraine".
I'm sorry Vladislav, but I don't vote for feelies. I vote for what I think is practical. And in the long run, I have nothing against Ukraine joining the EU. But a trade agreement with a country that is at war, will require financial aid, AND will export its dirt-cheap labour to the rest of the EU, undercutting my already shitty prospects? That doesn't sound like a good deal to me.
A few years ago, the EU already agreed to send 100 billion euro's to Polan over the space of a few years. 100 fucking billion. While my government is cutting healthcare, education, and defense in order to save millions. And today, it is the same: I hate neither you nor Poland, but that doesn't mean I'm OK with putting myself in a shitty position to help your elite, some of which will trickle down to the citizens.
>dgw familie je machtig maakt en je 5x nee stemt
Krijg kanker pechtold.
>>70100461
>Working visas are not the part of the association. You have to be a full member to work freely in EU
Thanks for clarifying. It's hard sometimes to see through the bullshit.
>>70100078
Griekenland en Roemenië zijn beiden corrupter dan voor ze bij de EU kwamen.
Duidelijk kan de EU iets doen aan corruptie, Johan. De EU is zelf een corrupt kanker instituut.
>>70100118
We do have to get rid of all taxes, you fucking communist shill. Libertarianism all the way.
>>70100472
forgot
oligarchs will buy assets, that soros wanted to be used as payment for this "niggers"
>>70100461
>New 30-40kk market for my country's good with no real strings attached? Hell yeah!
Ukraine has no money. The average hohol gets like 200 euros a month, and they're supposed to buy our goods?
>>70100444
Dat beantwoord niet echt de vraag. Stel jij was een oligarch en jij had het voor het zeggen in Oekraine zoals je eerder zei, zou het verdrag dan ondertekend laten worden of niet?
>>70100484
That's a very adult thing to do
>>70100612
>if the turnout is low enough, the whole referendum is cancelled, and we finally can get rid of this whole circus
>>70100444
Mate, fucking Alexander Pechtold went to Ukraine with the private jet of one of those oligarchs to speak with all kinds of corrupt big business people on the payroll of Porosjenko as part of his pro-treaty campaign. And that's just one of many examples.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/politiek/pechtold-zoekt-in-kiev-naar-munitie-voor-associatieverdrag~a4250466/?hash=d4400c52c2ba7b896a38477576fb364010e24bee
>>70100256
So this whole equestrian circus with refferendum (on YOUR taxpayers money, btw) is just an expensive way to say fuck EU?
You guys are dissapointing me. Come on, I expected better from hundreds-of-years capitalistic traditions country.
>>70100484
>Oegstgeest in charge of reason
>>70100662
>If i simply don't watch Geenstijl/Jan Roos videos I will get the same result
hurr
>>70100697
Our efficient capitalistic country is dead mate. Everything related to government costs too much and barely works
>>70100461
We export ~1 billion euros to Ukraine. Our agricultural exports alone to Russia were ~650 million euros, nevermind anything else.
In terms of our economy, we would be better off feeding Ukraine to Russia and improving relations and restoring trade relations with Russia.
>>70100484
Mee eens, Jan Roos is een clown. Maar het gaat niet om fucking Jan Roos, het gaat om de banen van je mede Nederlanders, ons belastinggeld dat naar Oekraïne verdwijnt. We krijgen een tweede Polen erbij (goedkope arbeid die onze mensen wegconcureert) en een tweede Griekenland (ongelimiteerde financiële steun).
Is dat het je waard om Jan Roos dwars te zitten?
>>70100697
The article promising financial support will cost us way more than the cost of a referendum if the treaty is ratified
>>70100592
It was 80$ last time I checked. 240$ for Belarus and 400+$ for Russia.
>>70100256
>The business part of the treaty will go into effect either way,
No it wont't. "Free trade" agreement have too much quotas and restrictions and was signed only for the prospects of cooperation with EU. We will stop "free trade" right after you backpedal the deal.
>>70100697
I'm pretty sure that point was just one of the reasons I listed.
But I get how a Russian or Ukranian might not like democracy
>>70100592
>and they're supposed to buy our goods?
Yeah! Make some chinese-tier cheap-ass shit and sell it!
Why should I, a fucking russian, teach you the basics of capitalistic economy?
>>70100594
Ik zie niet het nut om me in te leven in die positie. Waar ik me in kan leven is mijn uitgangspositie en daaruit handelend kom ik tot de conclusie dat mijn idealen en mijn persoonlijke status door dit verdrag erop vooruit gaan. Waarom zou ik in vredesnaam mijn stem baseren op wensen van iemand die in contrast staan tot mijn idealen?
>>70100693
>volkskrant
Ik vroeg om een bron, niet om toiletpapier.
> PvdA
Tegen
>>70100484
Als je tegen bent, moet je tegen stemmen. Anders ben je niet tegen. Simpel.
>>70100845
>Implying we can make china-tier shit
EU regulations, Ivan. Can't do that here.
>>70100895
Cruijff? Je leeft!?
>>70100828
Yes it will, most of it is already in effect actually and I doubt you lot will backpedal on it because it will only hurt you and won't matter to us cause our trade with Ukraine is less than a percent.
>>70100900
Made them here/china and reexport it into Ukraine.
>>70100887
That's some nice old school propaganda right there
>>70100484
fuck of man iam sick still going to try to vote because its just the best thing to do to show that democracy does not exist anymore .
>fuck die kankers van geen stijl doe dit voor je land
>>70100873
Nu vermijd je gewoon het antwoord
>oligarchen maken de diesnt uit in Oekraine
>verdrag stopt oligrachen
>oligarchen staan verdrag (hun doodvonnis) toe
>>70100873
Jouw idealen zijn dus samen te vatten als: "Nederland en de Nederlander laatst, buitenlanders eerst"? Vuile onpatriottische verrader.
Geen cent Nederlands belastinggeld meer naar de EU of Oekraïne. Geen verlies van banen meer aan Polen en Oekraïners. Geen massa immigratie. Geen militaire steun, aan niemand.
Laat mensen eens lekker wat godvergeten eigen verantwoordelijkheid ontwikkelen.
>>70100484
How cucked can you be
>>70100900
Good thing ukraine isnt in eu and association doesnt provide any regulations on export
>>70100873
>Ik vroeg om een bron, niet om toiletpapier.
You would have said the same if I linked Geenstijl, Trouw, NRC or whatever else that proved you wrong.
https://www.groene.nl/artikel/in-oekraine-werkt-europa-samen-met-oligarchen-en-fascisten
http://www.nrc.nl/handelsblad/2016/03/18/met-de-vrijhandel-komt-ook-de-oekraiense-plofkip-1598671
>>70100697
Running a government costs money, news at 11.
>>70101131
Doesn't matter if we export or not. We literally are not allowed to produce low tier shit. Hell we have laws regulating how straight cucumbers have to be.
Why the russians knows more about EU laws and association term than Dutch themselves?
>>70091371
>Almere
Hahahahahahahaha
>>70100887
>all this anti-Putin rethoric
When did this guy become our worst enemy, anyway? It can't have been after MH17, because when I said "send in the troops to secure the crash site" Rutte diligently waited for Obongo to get out of bed and say something before promising we would get the guilty party.
And we still don't even know who the guilty party is, let alone how to get them. So we can hardly blame Putin at this point.
>>70101156
Naar goedkope kip uit Oekraïne is veel vraag, vooral bij groothandels
voor stemmen nu lekker goedkope kip
>>70100887
In a way I like this poster
It feels like we're really back in 1900s
>>70101063
Goede poging om woorden in de mond te leggen. Maar inderdaad, het kan me niet verrotten of ik geld moet betalen aan een Nederlandse vrachtwagenchauffeur, of een Oekraïense. Zeker niet als de een me €1500 in de maand kost en de ander maar €1000. En al helemaal niet als de ene persoon er meer op vooruit gaat dan de ander achteruit.
>>70101015
Formuleer eerst eens een fatsoenlijke vraag. Moet ik nu een oligarch spelen, of wil je werkelijk inhoudelijk iets weten?
>>70101156
Hier kan ik wat mee. Jammer dat je alsnog tweedegraads bronnen paalt en alsnog niet een bron paalt voor je oorspronkelijke bewering.
>>70101226
>Artificially restricting yourself on matters that will only harm others and not your country/nation/ethnisity
Why tho
I thought its exactly "only good top quality organic non-GMO products for us, literally any shit for 3rd world niggers in exchange for their natural resources and lands"
>>70101242
Because the EU is a memetic weapon that was deployed against us by the Soviet Union?
>>70094233
All of Britain soon, prepare yourself, Mustafa.
>>70100887
I saw that poster on a train station in Almere.
I was bothered, that old-school propaganda like that is still used in this day and age.
It only made my desire to vote 'NO' stronger.
>>70101393
>Why tho
Because the EU is fucking retarded.
>>70100887
>Socialists against Putin
Every. Fucking. Time.
>>70101380
1900s posters were less colorful.
This is more like cold war time, 60's or 70's
>>70101393
Some nations have ideals, Vasili.
>>70101242
70 years of communism tought people that if you wont care about things in politics then things in politics will start to take care of you
>>70101349
Putin is considered to be the 21st century Hitler, because of his stance on homosex and his surpression of freedom of speech.
Ofc course, that would make over half the countries outside of Europe Hitler, the real reason is actually that Putin is our geostrategic enemy.
>>70101402
meme magic is real
>>70101386
>niet een bron paalt voor je oorspronkelijke bewering
Those articles are literally about oligarchs pushing the treaty mate...
>>70101386
Ik heb je de vraag al gesteld.
Als oligarchen in Oekraïne de dienst uitmaken en het verdrag dat zogenaamd zou stoppen, waarom zouden de oligarchen (die dus de baas zijn) dat verdrag (hun doodvonnis) toestaan?
>>70100786
>In terms of our economy, we would be better off feeding Ukraine to Russia and improving relations and restoring trade relations with Russia.
But instead you will get USA puppets on the east borders who will hate you and try to fuck all the trades.
>>70101488
>our
Your masters' *
We never had wars with holland and do not plan to start
>>70101488
that would make it a good thing because hitler did nothing wrong
>>70101386
>hij denkt dat hij geld betaald aan de vrachtwagenchauffeurs en niet 90% aan bureaucratie
>>70100887
>>70101380
If they are going to use posters like that maybe we should use ours.
>>70101461
Putin doesn't like socialism much. All his reforms are directed at restricting free medicine and education, cutting welfare and limiting gov-funded retirement funds while pouring govt money into russian corporations.
>>70101465
It's a lot closer to interbellum Dutch political posters.
>>70101386
>het kan me niet verrotten of ik geld moet betalen aan een Nederlandse vrachtwagenchauffeur, of een Oekraïense
Volksverlakking, landverraad. Je eigen broeders voor geld op straat gooien. Ongelooflijk gewoon.
Je bent een man zonder loyaliteit, zonder vaderlandsliefde. Je zou jezelf moeten verhangen.
>>70101603
I'd rather see the EU work on the relationship with Russia instead of Ukraine.
No one wants a war except those crazy unelected bastards running the EU.
>>70101603
Yeah sorry, I'm actually quite pacifist myself
>>70100592
>The average hohol gets like 200 euros a month
lul
50$
>>70100472
>western ukraine produces nothing
>agricultural sector
>IT
afaik, that's number 2 and 3 in Ukrainian export. Western Ukraine right now is the most "safe" place for investments we got
>>70087899
Tegen.
>>70101488
Who cares, these are the same people that call any right wing leader Hitler. They have no decency.
>>70087899
I'm voting no, mostly because I want to screw over the E.U. leadership. They'll ignore a NO vote anyway so at least it'll hurt them politically. Wasn't planning on voting since like yesterday but Nigel Farage persuaded me. Also, I managed to convince like 9 friends / family to vote in that time that werent planning to vote so feeling pretty good.
>>70101836
Only reinforces my point.
>>70101850
>Western Ukraine right now is the most "safe" place for investments we got
>>70101850
majority of IT and telecommunications, agriculture export comes from central ukraine
western ukraine is a MEME that damages our trade balance
>>70100828
We literally ran out of current year trade quotas in 2 weeks, it is not profitable for us. Why do you think we will follow this crap deal after EU backpedal the association?
>>70101850
>Western Ukraine right now is the most "safe" place for investments we got
Until polacks claim it for reparations, lol
>>70101488
Yeah, that's what gets me. We should fight Putin because muh justice, but at the same time Mufti Merkel has satire of Erdogan pulled? The EU is lying through its teeth, and it knows it. The only reason we must "fight" Putin, is because of power, yet they sell it as humanitarian nonsense.
The thing is, if they were at least honest about it, I could respect it. I could ask "why is it better for us to fight Putin? What will we gain?" But now the answer to that is "maybe slightly less corruption and better human rights in a foreign country no-one cared about until a few months ago, at the cost of billions".
I do not think that is a satisfactory answer. I like the hohols just fine, and I'd definitely appreciate their pro-Western, anti-immigration stance in the EU. But economically speaking, it's a bad deal made for reasons that go above and beyond the common people in the EU.
>>70101565
Die vraag ga ik niet beantwoorden vanwege de reden die ik eerder al heb gegeven. Wat ik je wel kan vertellen is dat de macht van oligarchen afneemt. De huidige Oekraïense regering bestaat nu uit meer pro-Westerse partijen en daar moeten we ons voordeel mee doen.
>>70101665
>beweren dat ik zei waar het geld heen gaat en niet wat het me kost
broeder a.u.b.
>>70101777
Ik heb prima liefde voor Nederland, maar eigenbelang voor landsbelang. Dat neemt niet weg dat ik 23-jarige leeftijd al meer heb gedaan voor het land en haar samenleving dan menig bijstandstrekker ooit zal doen.
>>70100118
WTF is a Zwitserland?
I agree with you however that some people shouldn't be able to vote. Luckily these people are rarely interested in politics in the first place. Badly integrated people hardly vote because they can't read the ballot. Same goes for low-educated Dutch to be honest, a LOT of people can't even properly read a paper.
In this source you will see that the number of voters steadily decrease as multikul numbers in the area increase. The are a few exceptions as turkish counselors sometimes persuade voters by promising them gainz.
https://www.ois.amsterdam.nl/pdf/2014_bestuurscommissies_definitieve%20uitslag.pdf
>>70102045
>covering up motives in order to sell it to the public
boy, I'm glad only Merkel does this
>>70101997
>>70101933
>>70101850
>>70101584
I'm voting no but you guys have nothing to worry about at all. This referendum is not binding and it's pretty much been accepted that they'll force it through anyway. They managed to do that with the E.U. Constitution in 2005 so this would not be much harder to do. It'll just hurt the E.U. politically.
>>70102057
>maar eigenbelang voor landsbelang.
Daar zit dus nou juist het hele probleem. Dat is geen vaderlandsliefde, dat is geen patriottisme. Dat is Joods aandoend Egoïsme.
>>70094145
Visa free travel doesn't mean Ukranians are allowed to work here, let alone apply for Dutch social security.
It does potentially make it easier for weapons/drugs/human-trafficking. At least on the short term. The E.U. could potentially fight these criminals due to the association. However this depends on two things: 1, the E.U. elite actually caring about this problem 2, the E.U. elite being competent.
Both are dubious, to say the least.
>>70101156
Excuses oetz, dat artikel van de amsterdammer is wel degelijk een goed artikel
>>70101997
Don't worry, they woudn't. EU needs you associated, and I don't really think this whole refferendum will change a shit. Brussel runs the show, not holland people.
>>70102057
Dan geef je dus toe dat je beredenering niet klopt.
>>70101386
>Maar inderdaad, het kan me niet verrotten of ik geld moet betalen aan een Nederlandse vrachtwagenchauffeur, of een Oekraïense. Zeker niet als de een me €1500 in de maand kost en de ander maar €1000. En al helemaal niet als de ene persoon er meer op vooruit gaat dan de ander achteruit.
Ja, dat is allemaal leuk en aardig, tot je zelf moet concurreren met anderen voor de helft van je vorige loon, terwijl de kosten in de maatschappij blijven stijgen. Daar lijken mensen zoals jij nooit bij na te denken. Maar er gaat gewoon een hele bak mensen uit Oekraïne komen die bereid zijn jouw beroep uit te oefenen (wat het dan ook maar mag zijn) tegen veel lagere kosten. Immers, zij hoeven hier niet te wonen, en gaan uiteindelijk weer terug naar hun land waar alles tien keer goedkoper is.
Maar ben jij ook bereid om te verhuizen naar Oekraïne, zodat je tenminste een beetje normaal kan leven? Met de kennis dat je de mogelijkheid om in Nederland te wonen voor altijd vaarwel zegt vanwege de economische mobiliteit? En zo ja, ben je daar nog steeds zo enthousiast over als je in een Oekraïens ziekenhuis ligt waar de hamers en sikkels nog op de apparatuur staan?
Seriously though, can someone explain why people are campaigning for a Yes vote? I've seen Ukrainian commercials even some Ukrainians approaching people at city square's. Why would you campaign for people to vote Yes? They'll only win with a low turnout. What they are doing is literally helping the other side.
>>70102028
Get over with it already. It won't happen.Population transfer after WW2 was point of no return. No polish to "protect" here now
>>70102189
>Visa free travel
What are you talking about? What free visas? They will not get them! Again it's association! No shengen allowed by it's terms!
>>70101850
They only consume gas and subsidized commodities.
>>70102028
poles will own them like slaves, because they have no capital.
>>70102148
vote "NO", current government in ukraine may go in autumn, new government (most probably pro-russian) will try to negotiate agreement most probably, if no , then ukraine will start to collapse.
>>70102121
Why should we fight Russia, then? Give me one good reason.
>>70094809
you have no voice in this, ukraine is a shithole that doesn't belong in europe, fucking vodka-nigger may have it.
>>70102403
>poles will own them like slaves
Back to the status quo then.
>>70102418
> Why should we fight Russia, then? Give me one good reason.
because murican balls in your mouth
>>70102385
You don't need Schengen for visa free travel. Hohols will get it just like the t*rks.
>>70102385
Ivan, it does include Visa free travel for Ukrainians.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten/kamerstukken/2016/01/22/beantwoording-kamervragen-over-visumvrij-reizen-voor-staatsburgers-oekraine
>>70102485
they prepare to buy out lands there
this will only increase social pressure and more niglets will chimpout
Nieuwe draad
>>70102536
Nieuwe draad
>>70102536
>>70102246
Stop a.u.b. met halfzachte beweringen maken puur en alleen om te proberen retorisch je gelijk te verhalen (waar je derhalve totaal niet in slaagt) en kom met inhoudelijke argumenten.
>>70102170
Ten eerste is patriottisme ontzettend ouderwets. Ten tweede zijn je koopman aantijgingen hilarisch. Ten derde wil ik refereren naar het punt dat ik maakte over mijn bijdrage aan de maatschappij. Ik maak me niet druk over onruststokers als jij.
>>70102280
Ik hoef me dus niet zorgen te maken over anderen die mijn baan overnemen. Daarnaast, goedkopere arbeid is alleen maar een stimulans voor een economie (in ieder geval een kapitaalhevige als de onze).
>>70102325
You still don;t get it, do you?
It's hohols. They are fucked up, man. We know that. We warned you. Now it is you problem as well. In fact, it's now more YOUR problem than ours.
>>70102403
Why would the Ukrainian govt. care if we vote no if the E.U. is going to sign it anyway?
Also how is it likely that the new govt. will be pro Russian? are the Russians not too small of a minority now that Crimea is gone?
>>70102643
>Ik hoef me dus niet zorgen te maken over anderen die mijn baan overnemen.
Best, maar ik wel. Dus ik stem prima tegen.
>>70102548
>Ivan, it does include Visa free travel for Ukrainians.
oh my god man. from what time this must works?
I think muricans kill Eyrop with dirty AIDS cockholes in the future.
>>70100845
>All you have to do to make this Ukraine thing work is lower your standards!
Ok...
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