/pol/ I am a transgender individual. I agree with many conservative positions and I consider myself a rationalist. The anti-trans groupthink in the alt-right community is both anti-scientific, anti-rational, and anti-freedom.
I am not arguing transwomen are 100% women. I instead argue (supported by empirical evidence) that transpeople are neither male nor female but exist as a different phenotype all together. Current neurology, neurochemistry, and physiology support this and more research is being done that is suggesting this as well.
It's anti-freedom to discriminate against transpeople based on their differences and it is anti-scientific, thus irrational to deny this.
I will dump physiological research first followed by evidence illustrating transition is the most beneficial course of action for transpeople (if you try to cite Dhejne, I will cuck you with her own words that illustrates the popular distortion of her research by ignoring the cohort groups of her study).
Kruijver "Male-to-female transsexuals have female neuron numbers in a limbic nucleus." BSTc somatostatin-expressing neuron counts - twice as high in cismen and transmen as in ciswomen and transwomen. More intense Zhou.
Zhou "A sex difference in the human brain and its relation to transsexuality." BSTc size in transwomen resembles that of ciswomen and is independent of sexual orientation.
Bentz "A polymorphism of the CYP17 gene related to sex steroid metabolism is associated with female-to-male but not male-to-female transsexualism." CYP17 -34 T>C SNP allele frequencies were statistically significantly divergent between FtM transgender people and cisfemale controls; genotype distributions were also divergent in a statistically significant manner.
Hare "Androgen receptor repeat length polymorphism associated wth male-to-female transsexualism." Genes involved in sex steroidogenesis are components to transgenderism and gender dysphoria; specifically, androgen receptor repeat length polymorphisms were observed in an MtF-transgender population, but not a cismale population; this warrants the conclusion that male gender identity is mediated by the androgen receptor.
Gooren "The biology of human psychosexual differentiation." Meta-analysis of sex-steroid production and prenatal androgen exposure in transgender people.
Swaab "Sexual differentiation of the human brain: relevance for gender identity, transsexualism, and sexual orientation." Analysis of prenatal androgen exposure similar to Gooren, but notes that neurological testosterone availability in MtF trans people is deficient, causing transgenderism or non-heterosexualism.
Garcia-Falgueras "A sex difference in the hypothalamic uncinate nucleus: relationship to gender identity." The structure of the anterior hypothalamus plays a strong role in the development of transgenderism; INAH3 volume in transwomen resembles ciswomen, and INAH3 volume in transmen resembles cismen.
Sure post the study, I hope it's peer reviewed and has an adequate sample size
Luders "Regional gray matter variation in male-to-female transsexualism." MtF transgender people were analyzed by fMRI; gray matter variation throughout the brain more closely resembled the layout of a cisfeminine brain, rather than that of a cismasculine brain, implying gender identity depends on cerebral layout.
Rametti "White matter microstructure in female to male transsexuals before cross-sex hormonal treatment. A diffusion tensor imaging study." By diffusion-tensor-imaging MRI and fractional anisotropy analysis of various transgender and cisgender people, FtM transgender people more closely resembled a masculine-structured brain than a feminine- structured brain, noted by the study in the structures of the right superior longitudinal fasciculus, the foreceps minor, and the corticospinal tract. White matter microstructure therefore plays a role in gender identity.
Burke "Hypothalamic response to the chemo-signal androstadienone in gender dysphoric children and adolescents". Androstadienone, a particularly fragrant chemosignal responsible for sex-based differences in hypothalamic microstructure; children with gender dysphoria were observed to express differences in hypothalamic activation in accordance with identified gender, rather than assigned gender.
Independent findings with those from past research, 13 of 39 male MZ twin pairs (33.3%) were found to be concordant for transsexual identity and eight of 25 (22.8%) female MZ twins were found concordant. In comparison, concordance between either male or female DZ twins was low or zero (1/38 = 2.6%; Table 5)
Notably among our responding twins were three sets who had been reared apart and were concordant in transitioning. One was a male set within which the brothers were separated at birth, another was a set of males separated at age 4, and the third was a female pair separated at 14. Each had independently and unknowingly transitioned and found out about each other’s switch as adults after the gender shift.
>>69406649
>I am a transgender individual
>I consider myself a rationalist
Found a logical fallacy and stopped reading.
I dont hate you but please accept you have a mental disorder and seek treatment. You are not special, you are just sick.
Didn't read, gas the trannies
>>69406705
>>69406649
>Still waiting on that link
Transition is shown to be the most successful course of action for transgender people.
Heylans et al., 2014: "A difference in SCL-90 [a test of distress, anxiety, and hostility] overall psychoneurotic distress was observed at the different points of assessments (P = 0.003), with the most prominent decrease occurring after the initiation of hormone therapy (P < 0.001)...Furthermore, the SCL-90 scores resembled those of a general population after hormone therapy was initiated."
Colizzi et al., 2013: "At enrollment, transsexuals reported elevated CAR ['cortisol awakening response', a physiological measure of stress]; their values were out of normal. They expressed higher perceived stress and more attachment insecurity, with respect to normative sample data. When treated with hormone therapy [at followup, 1 year after beginning HRT], transsexuals reported significantly lower CAR (P < 0.001), falling within the normal range for cortisol levels. Treated transsexuals showed also lower perceived stress (P < 0.001), with levels similar to normative samples."
Gomez-Gil et al., 2012: "SADS, HAD-A, and HAD-Depression (HAD-D) mean scores [these are tests of depression and anxiety] were significantly higher among patients who had not begun cross-sex hormonal treatment compared with patients in hormonal treatment (F=4.362, p=.038; F=14.589, p=.001; F=9.523, p=.002 respectively). Similarly, current symptoms of anxiety and depression were present in a significantly higher percentage of untreated patients than in treated patients (61% vs. 33% and 31% vs. 8% respectively)."
de Vries, et al., 2014 studied 55 trans teens from the onset of treatment in their early teenage years through a follow-up an average of 7 years later. They found no negative outcomes, no regrets, and in fact their group was slightly mentally healthier than controls.
Its just a mental disorder dude
>>69406953
Which studies links would you like? I can link you to ALL of these.
Here is a broad survey conducted in the UK. Unlike the previous links, it's not peer-reviewed, but the large sample size provides some corroboration of the above results. In particular, we have: (Page 15): "Stage of transition had a substantial impact upon life satisfaction within the sample. 70% of the participants stated that they were more satisfied with their lives since transition, compared to 2% who were less satisfied (N=671)" (Page 50): " Most participants who had transitioned felt that their mental health was better after doing so (74%), compared to only 5% who felt it was worse (N=353)." (Page 55): "For participants who had transitioned, this had led to changes in their self-harming. 63% felt that they harmed themselves more before they transitioned, with only 3% harming themselves more after transition (N=206)." (Page 59): "Suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition. 7% found that this increased during transition, which has implications for the support provided to those undergoing these processes (N=316)."
Lawrence, 2003 surveyed post-op trans folk: "Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives. None reported outright regret and only a few expressed even occasional regret."
>>69406843
This. OP do you realize that Down's syndrome and Dwarfism are also biological phenotypes? That doesn't make them "okay" or "normal."
>>69406649
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>>69406965
>>69406836
>>69406705
All this fucking info dump.
Lol man do you really believe anyone will read all that. Just from the first post I can notice that it has nothing to do with trans people being a 'phenotype'
>>69406649
Pls post in CSE format
>>69406649
unless you are a hermaphrodite your are without exception. the gender of your assigned sex. Anything else comes from a place of make believe and charlatans who think proving a point is doing science. stop pretending your fetish is anything else
>>69406649
post more
>>69406965
Successful is a perspective
honestly don't care about trans people. Just shut the fuck up if I can't figure out what fucking gender you identify as. That's not my fucking job it's yours faggot. If you want to be called a man then look, dress and act like a man holy shit
>>69406649
>trans
>people
>>69406649
You're stepping up your trolling game aren't you?
Instead of posting 'hi guise ima trap ama'..you've decided to actually post studies to make this garbage too hard to resist for most of the tards here.
Enjoy your 200+ guaranteed replies thread.
You earned it you faggot.
>>69406942
Top kek. To the point and savage.
Have you tried medicating yourself with pimozide?
It's been proven to be effective in treating the gender dysmorphia disorder.
Try seeking medical help before telling the world that they are wrong and you are right. If it doesn't work for you, then I may cede my point.
/pol/ pretends to be empirical and claim the alt rights views are grounded in "reality" but when you show the reality of what modern science has shown us about transgender brains alt-right enters total hypocrisy mode.
Delicious...
'Transgender' people are officially diagnosed with an egosyntonic mental health disorder by a psychiatrist. Depending upon the mental health diagnoses manual the psychiatrist uses, the official mental health diagnosis is for Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Identity Syndrome/or Gender Dysphoria. Symptoms of this syndrome are all mental health based: depression, anxiety, unease with their bodies, suicidal thoughts.
Current standard treatment for the mental health diagnosis consists of psychiatric counseling and prescription medication with synthetic hormones. The counseling is an integral part of their treatment, and no doctor or psychiatrist proceeds with treatment without the concurrent psychiatric therapy.
Less than .03% of the population is affected with varying degrees of GID/GIS/GD. The suicide rate of GID/GIS/GD sufferers is staggering compared to general population. Both the psychiatric and medical fields recognize GID/GIS/GD as a mental health issue. The current treatment is recognized by both psychiatrists and medical doctors as moderately effective in reducing their rate of suicide, depression, anxiety, dysphoria, and other accompanying mental health symptoms of GID/GIS/GD. Sexual reassignment surgery is effective in relieving symptoms short term but fails to provide relief long term.
People with GID/GIS/GD have a much higher prevalence of Body Dysmorphic Disorder, noting that in both, the sufferers have a pervasive delusional view of their own bodies that cripples their normal functioning. Here are two patients who suffer from both GID and BDD concurrently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvY2ScZBCtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xujgH_C2q8
The transgender 'movement' works to make this mental health diagnosis seem normal, and to push legal, policy and social trend changes on the normal 99.97% of society, that are disproportionate to the actual numbers of sufferers of this rare mental health issue.
>>69407311
Got a version with more blood and less pee?
>>69406649
I do think for a certain amount of trans people (is trannies okay?) there is a fundamental biological issue of neurology that is not right amd I can understand why trannyadvocates argue that sex changes are the best therapeutic way to deal with it.
However I am scared shitless because so many millennial libfag parents are trying to turn Aiden into Emmaleigh just because he tried prancing in mommy's high heels as a 5 year old.
Btw if that is you in the pic, you're really cute :)
>>69407278
A trans not killing himself is a big success
>>69407320
Not about trolling. It's about education. There are moderates and liberals that read /pol/ as well. Even if one person gains a broader more accepting perspective on transpeople I consider that a success.
It's just insane that everyone here wants to pretend like they are logical when evidence supports something but they look the other way.
I mean hell, the pinned post on this board is logical fallacies. Ignoring heaps of empirical evidence is a logical fallacy... It's called being a fucking moron.
>>69406649
you look like a man so why don't you act like one?
oh that's right you are mentally ill.
>please indulge my mental illness
no.
>>69406965
>55 trans teens from the onset of treatment in their early teenage years through a follow-up an average of 7 years later.
>sample size of 55
>sample trial of "up to" 7 years
so a maximum 26 year old tranny said everything was still fine? lol get fucked but don't kill yourself, wouldn't want to add to the stats
>>69407571
>trans not killing himself
>success
You're joking right? Those filthy degenerates need to hurry up and die.
>>69406649
Traps are CUTE
>>69407637
What is the purpose of life to you?
>>69406649
Just link to peer-reviewed studies and write a six-sentence summary if you want to win people to your cause.
>born with a penis
>born with xy chromosomes
>born without a uterus, tits, clit, or labia
>is a unique phenotype
Wrong. That's a male phenotype. And I'm not parsing through walls of terribly formatted text to discern your position.
Learn to write in a cogent, concise manner for fuck's sake.
>>69406649
>transgender
The medically accepted term for you is "fruit".
>>69407542
I agree with this too. There is a massive influx of people that are being "over diagnosed" as transgender (like gay kids that go to a doctor who is pro trans and they push the agenda). I'm not denying that.
I'm saying as an individual I have the freedom of body autonomy to do what I wish. I had a stable family and solid upbringing. When I had dreams as a child they were always from a female point of view. I grew up confused that I was not a girl. This isn't something that my environment pushed into me (although that obviously plays a role).
Literally from the moment I was sentient I felt my body was a bit... off.
I'm not depressed, suicidal, unstable, etc. I live a very happy life and I'm successful in my self-employment. I'm a lot happier now that I've transitioned though. My life couldn't be better.
Also, I'm not a sexual deviant like the alt-right likes to perpetuate. I haven't had sex in two years. No casual sex, only with partners in long relationships.
This might be bait or no bait, but trannyfags do conjure up this shit like they have been raised to do it all their lives.
Why can't you just eat, sleep, fuck, play and stop wasting your life on a mission that no-one in the whole wide world even cares about except for some tumblrettes and the other trannies?
Imagine if you only had a single life and all you did was trying to excuse your weirdness and bitch about people calling you a "he" instead of "she". Then you went on to call yourself "rational".
Even people who fap to trannies don't even think of them as anything more than a fetish. You could have been a happy person instead. You could have had money to buy entertainment, go travel around the world, build yourself a nice house, do something for your community or own a lot of animals, but you chose to spend it on HRT which does nothing but cause more problems for you.
>>69406649
Some of /pol actually want to gas you.
Most of the rest is probably just too immature to be able to discourage certain behaviors while being tolerant of them.
>>69406649
It's a very serious mental disorder and you should see a counselor right away.
>>69407885
The purpose of life to me is to learn, grow, and find inner meaning. Expansion of the mind is what I live for. I personally believe that life is inherently meaningless so it is up to the individual to instill value and find their own path.
My path is learning and constantly knowing more about arts, natural sciences, philosophy, literature, history, politics, etc.
>>69406705
So trans is a mental disorder...alright
>>69406649
>It's anti-freedom
do you know all the nazis here aren't worried about freedom right?
What do trained scientific and medical professionals have to say about gender identity?
Pic related
>>69406649
>WE NEED MORE MONEY FOR OUR PROGRUMS
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2783583/Man-10-000-treatment-woman-wants-REVERSE-sex-change-criticises-NHS-lack-psychiatric-evaluation.html
Witness the wild Liberal left wing nut job in his natural habitat.
>>69407885
To seek attention to fill the void where productivity and substance would be.
>>69408209
He isn't a national socialist.
>>69406705
>>69406836
>>69406965
>>69407042
All of these show hormone and other chemical imbalances. Which explains why a person "feels" like they're the other gender when their genitals, chromosomes, and bones say otherwise. This does not mean that they "are" that gender. It is a hormonal or mental disorder, as you pointed out yourself. Just because it has physical signs, does not mean it is natural. Diseases have physical signs as well, they're called symptoms.
Now the issue is, how is this best treated? Changing body chemistry or body appearance? Is it easier to give a person medicine to balance hormones, or to reconstruct complex sexual organs that will never function like the actual gender they are trying to become? Not to mention bone shape and other secondary sex characteristics.
>>69407972
>Literally from the moment I was sentient I felt my body was a bit... off.
Yes, Gender Dysphoria is a thing.
However, it shouldn't be considered as normal.
Wow, so complicated.
>>69408182
No a mental disorder indicates its in the mind rather than body. While obviously they are connected, the real "mental illness" observed with transgender identity is effects of in-congruence between the body and identity. This identity seems to be (supported by all of the empirical evidence I have posted) linked to concrete physiology in the brain.
Thus, it's a physical condition that when untreated leads to mental issues.
It's very amusing to me that so many of you can call me mentally ill or sick but you advocate for gassing people you disagree with or other cultures you feel superior too. The urge to purge innocent people for subjective reasons is probably the sickest pathology there is.
topkek.
>>69408386
As you are aware mentally ill people shouldn't be participating in political discussions.
MTF transexuals must dilate their "vagina" every day, or else it will fuse shut.
The body treats it like an open wound
>>69408232
Okay, let's be real here.
The American College of Pediatricians split off from a much larger Pediatric organization because said organization was going full SJW and becoming increasingly political.
Many people just dropped out and didn't join another.
Just goes to show how all this lgbt shilling is universal, and pretty independent of actual science.
>As you are aware mentally ill people shouldn't be participating in political discussions.
what did he mean by this?
>>69408544
No, I don't want to purge you. I want to help you. it's the same concept as an anorexic person; their body image controls them. We don't let anorexic people starve if we can, do we? No.
>pic unrelated
>>69408232
WEW LAD
Paul McHugh
>In 2001, McHugh was appointed by President George W. Bush to the Presidential Council on Bioethics
Politically motivated researcher. I wouldn't listen to any words that come out of someones mouth who was appointed by GEORGE BUSH. LMFAO.
>Michelle Cretella and Quentin Van Meter
both researchers are religiously motivated and inject their superstitions into the discussion.
Their opinions are not valid because they are literally the furthest from objective you could be, They also have their research completley wrong.
I could talk about all those points but specifically #7 is a popular distortion in Djehne's research. She even spoke out about the distortion. That result is skewed by only looking at a subset of her work.
>>69407692
Thankfully they actively try to.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_among_LGBT_youth
>>69408500
Read my OP. I explicitly stated I don't think transwomen ARE women. We are a separate type of human permutation. We deserve equal rights under law however.
>>69408893
Anorexics can be fixed, transexual can't.
>>69408719
People who are mentally ill do not have the capacity to make sound decisions in life let alone in political discussions.
This is recognised and enforced at law.
Transexuals are merely another class of mentally ill people that have not received the proper treatment for their condition.
>>69408718
"Independent research"
Read what I wrote to that anon. These people couldn't be further from independent. One of the signatures is from McHugh, He is famous for wrapping his politics in research.
>>69406649
Don't be silly Anon, gender is a social construct.
>There's no evidence for this; But it is scientific fact.
>>69409045
Except the overwhelming amount of research I posted earlier about the success of transition proves you otherwise.
>>69409036
Of course you do, the equivalent of an incapacitated person of course.
>>69408718
There is no science or rationality behind gender ideology. Anyone who understands evolution knows there are two genders, and everything else is made up bullshit.
This transexual craze is actually Bolshevism, which is being used by wealthy, powerful people to undermine the social structure and achieve their social revolution the same way they did in Russia. These are their tactics, they use disaffected minority groups and the youth to undermine and tear down the social institutions while gathering power. Language is censored, and thought crimes are punished.
Might I remind you that roughly 85% of the Bolshevik revolutionaries in Russia were Jews. The same people who are doing it there are doing it here. Black Lives Matter, gay rights organizations, and other groups pushing SJW shit are not grassroots organizations, but rather are funded by massive, well moneyed organizations connected to powerful interests
>>69408732
>mfw im not gay but i have masturbated to this webm
that fucking face
fucking came buckets
im ruined please help me
![IMG_0483[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3pkFF8I.jpg "IMG_0483[1].jpg")
>>69406649
>>69409193
I think gender is mostly a social construct. I think that behavior in girls and boys is demonstrably different so there is something more to our identities than just social construction. Clothes and culture is definitely a construct but internal feeling from a young age is not a construct.
>>69408544
>Hah! It isn't a mental disorder because it isn't in my brain!
Okay. If you want to be specific, its a hormonal disorder. Still doesn't make it a natural human gender category like male or female.
>>69408544
>but you advocate for gassing people you disagree with or other cultures you feel superior too.
People like you. All you peddle is death and destruction. I would ask you to consider: In the end we will be judged. Not by what we have destroyed...but what we have created desu
>>69409241
>success of transition
>40% suicide attempt rate
But to be fair it is successful, it makes those degenerates die sooner
>>69409427
They're all constructs
How would someone know that is "girl" or "boy" unless they were told so?
>>69408920
George Bush was literally the most liberal Republican to be elected in the history of the USA.
How does that Soros dick taste in your mouth by the way?
>>69409427
>I think gender is mostly a social construct.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
GET OUT YOU KIKE
>>69409449
The internet really has removed all shock from my head.
>>69409449
WHAT THE FUCK IS EVEN GOING ON??
>>69409449
Why did I watch this
>>69409449
What is that Spaghetti they're taking out of him?
>>69406705
Firstly a disclaimer: I think "trans" people exist and I support their right to do what the fuck they want with their own body.
However, it is a mental illness. It is crazy to treat that illness with surgery when it can be treated with drugs, the same drugs used to treat schizos btw.
Now the above bit falls under the "i think it's crazy but it's your body so i couldn't really give af" category.
What i find genuinely disgusting is to keep on perpetuating the myth that trannies should undergo surgery and this will make them happy. This is passed onto vulnerable, mentally ill people who are often picked on for this illness and are therefore quite open to this "light at the end of the tunnel, chop your bollocks off and you'll be happy" bullshit. Suicide rates of post ops are still extremely high. Perpetuating the myth that surgery is the right thing for a tranny to do, rather than seeking actual treatment for a mental illness, is to actually send people on the path to suicide.
>be progressive
>laugh when told women and men have different brains. 'that's just sexism and misogyny.'
>needs proof to justify sick buffalo bill style fetish and to push it on four-year-olds
>'oh wow look this boy has a laaaady brain!'
>>69409481
Who is "people like you?"
You mean leftists? I'm a conservative faggot. That's what I said in my OP. I'm just not a fascist authoritarian boot licker that wants to control freedom of body autonomy over other people.
>>69409466
It's not just hormones though, physical structures in the brain have been illustrated to deviate from the born sex of transgender people.
Somatostatin-expressing neuron counts, white matter, differences in hypothalmus, grey matter, longitudinal fasciculus, and others.
It's not just hormones, it's a different brain structure all together. I do agree we aren't a difference sex. Just a different permutation where we are in the middle.
But I own my body and the greatest freedom anyone can have is body autonomy. I should be able to express myself how I want without facing discrimination on the basis of gender alone.
>>69406843
underrated post
>>69406942
you're gonna need a lot of gas
>>69409449
Jesus christ
>>69407637
I'm a moderate, and I've learned absolutely nothing from your poorly formatted, unsourced blob of text. Consider your mission a failure.
>>69409742
Thats right goyim your taxpayers money is funding this degeneracy drawing away manpower and knowledge into studying useless medical procedures that offer no social utility.
It could have been spent on training doctors in other fields, cutting waiting times and freeing hospital beds. But no goyim this mental disorder is life threatening and needs to be funded and treated.
Good good goy!
>>69409156
>People with depression, anxiety, aspergers, eating disorders, bipolar and ADHD are not capable of making decisions in life, let alone in political discussion
>This is recognised and enforced at law.
You hopped yourself, Kangaroo
>>69409914
TL;DR "I have a laaaady braaain."
>>69406649
Either you are XX or XY (or the very rare XXYwhatever). What you feel that you are doesn't matter. Sex is all that matters, gender is ill faggots trying to justify their faggotry.
>>69409449
STUNNING AND BRAVE
>>69406649
I'm with you transanon
this thread will never work but good on you for putting in the effort
>>69409574
Currently there is the largest study ever conducted done on trans teens. It's showing so far (hasn't been published because its a long term study) through preliminary results that transpeople growing up in our current culture facing less discrimination have significantly less comorbidity rates with depression, anxiety, etc and the suicide rates are way down.
While there is obviously higher rates of comorbidity in the transcommunity, it's looking like a lot of the negative effects are social reaction and discrimination against transpeople.
Try feeling trapped in your own body and afraid to do anything about it because people will discriminate against you. It's pretty distressing.
>>69409632
It's not about the terminology of "girl" "boy" etc. I knew from the moment I had consciousness I was closer to girls and had a stronger affinity in that direction.
>>69406649
>SJW gets defeated in arguments on /pol/
>learns a new word "phenotype"
>attempts to spew shit from his mouth in a general liberal freak show post on /pol/
yea how about you bother people on tumblr with your dementia
There are people who believe they are squirrels.
They fashion a crude "tail" for themselves and live in the trees with their animal friends.
What should be done with these people? Should you indulge their insanity, pay to implant an artificial "tail" and large plastic "teeth" and throw anyone in prison who fails to talk to them in chirping squirrel language?
Or would you get them the mental help they need?
>>69409872
It's lunch you fucking idiot.
You think that procedure doesn't take long?
>>69409914
The labor of a million honest men shattered by senseless saboteurs. And now you strike at the very foundation of civilization itself. Why is it, your kind thrives on cowardice and evil? I know why. The answer is found in your deformed physiognomy. Your contorted organs and your biologically inferior cognitive faculties. I know. I have cut holes and looked
>>69406649
You're a genetic anomaly, not a phenotype.
"Let me cut my penis off and turn it inside out so my boyfriend can fuck it"
You need mental help.
>>69409449
Ew! Yeah no thanks. I don't plan on getting genital reassignment surgery. Too much of a hassle, too expensive, not worth it all. Maybe I'll wait and see what science offers down the road but currently I'm okay with my penis. It's pretty small and useless now so it doesn't really get in the way.
>>69406965
That's variable
http://www.newyorker.com/science/maria-konnikova/social-psychology-biased-republicans
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/19507-the-transgender-con-many-transgender-people-regret-switch
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40279043/ns/health-health_care/#.VhE7_nrtlBd
https://radfemrepost.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/kathy2/
They should follow them up to age 30.
>>69410268
You need mental help.
You've been indoctrinated to believe this shit all your life, it's insanity.
>>69406649
Well, it is a psychological illness so you should definitely see some weird shit there. Regardless, just because a person's brain exhibits signs of the opposite sex's brain does not mean they are not "female and male". They're still whatever gender their genitalia point to. Gender dysphoria is a thing and a mental illness after all.
>>69410421
You.
>>69410148
>rape
>murder
>assault
>informed consent
>mental incapacity
Ya need ya cuppa mate you're stoned as fuck.
>>69410428
Assumption. I already said I am not interested in any bottom surgery. I don't plan to cut my body anywhere.
>>69406649
>neurology, neurochemistry, and physiology support this
No it doesn't
Stop living a lie and just admit you're all a bunch of whiny faggots who didn't like the hand they were dealt so you want to pretend to be what you want.
Literally my (and most people's) problem with trans people is that you don't admit that you're just pretending to be the other gender because you think you actually are one so you can lie to yourself to feel better about it.
If you faggots just acknowledged the real reason and the truth most people wouldn't give a shit or have issues with you.
That being said I hate you people for being about as anti-human pretending that life is an RPG where you can just change yourself because it suits your fancy like a spoiled 9 year old
>>69410473
So the standard for "success" is if you can successfully fool someone into believing you're the opposite gender?
That's what this really is, it's about people who are so overly concerned with the way other people look at them that they'll actually mutilate their body just to create a certain impression.
>>69406705
>There's a biological basis for it
>It can't be a disorder
There's nothing wrong with paranoid schizophrenics, manic depressives, antisocials, borderlines, autists or retards either, there's a biological basis for these after all.
Trannies can't even reproduce, therefore it's obviously disfunctional.
Regarding the procedure that allows that transplantation of a uterus, large dosages of immunosuppressants are required to stop the body from rejecting the foreign tissue. This will, without question, hurt the development of the child. Trans fags also can't produce breast milk. Formula feed children have shown to have markedly lower IQs.
I could post all of the stats aboutow trans, specifically post op, have highly elevated suicide risk and an incredibly high incidence or comorbid disorders, but I'm not going to devote so much time trying to convince trannies to get psychiatric help.
Gas chambers are far more cost effective.
>>69410473
Lol all of these are news articles from main stream media about articles. Post actual sources or GTFO.
Never thought I'd see radfem posts linked in /pol/ LMAO.
>>69410445
Do you actually believe all of this senpai? Just a question.
>>69406843
>>69407090
Both posts are 100% correct.
>>69410586
Great argument faggot
I am a liberator! No longer must we serve the filthy parasite. No longer need we gaze upon his waddling gait polluting the purity of our bloodline and civilization. No longer will we tolerate his primitive brain and violent impulses. Do you not see that my cause is just? Do you not see there is no place for you in this world?
>>69409449
There's vomit on my sweater already.
>mom's spaghetti.
>>69406843
they dont believe in objective standards of nature, this doesnt apply to these people, they dont believe in objective standards of mental health
>>69410268
>I had consciousness I was closer to girls and had a stronger affinity in that direction.
When did you gain consciousness then?
>>69406649
Decent gays are the minority. #Notallgays works about as well as #notallmuslims.
>>69406649
>>69406705
Tranny's aren't natural that's why your 20 timed more likely to suicide. You should do it now and get it out of the way.
I'm sick of Tranny's trying to say it"s natural, it's not. It's a mental illness, At least a disorder, you have a sickness similar to pedo's you should be purged from the earth.
You disgusting subhumans, I would gladly slit everyone of your throats.
>>69406649
I'm pretty ok with trans people, I wouldn't date one, and I don't want to see it all the time, but I have no real problems with it.
>>69410473
Further, I agree with >>69410713
I don't care about passing. Like I said, I don't think I am 100% a woman. But I know I'm not male. I am my own individual (inb4 snowflake). I express myself as I see fit and if I pass, okay? If I don't, okay? I live my life for myself, not for others. Which is exactly why I posted this. Conservatives argue they want smaller government but then try to control others lives.
>>69410796
Then roll your waifu.
>>69409449
jesus christ trannies are truly sick in the head
>>69410643
You don't maybe. Others do.
Also, post pics.
>>69409036
>We're weird mutants that there is no known cure for!
>Wh-What's with the firing squad?
>>69410957
Answer me.
>>69406649
>pol/ I am a transgender individual. I agree with many conservative positions and I consider myself a rationalist
>>69406705
>>69406836
>>69406965
>>69407042
>then post all that
>>69409914
Ok. Do you believe in natural selection?
As a follow up, how would this new mutation benefit the species?
Do we coddle the few at the expense of the many? Ex. Exposing children to the opposite gender in bathrooms, legal repercussions for wrong terminology, quotas.
>>69409914
>Conservative
>Wants to completely change one of the most basic elements of human existence
>The greatest freedom I have is body autonomy
>Not a "liberal" concept
Do you even know the definitions of liberal and conservative?
Also, the fact remains that you are functionally one gender or the other. Differences in brain structure lead to a different feeling on the matter, but that does not change your gender category from one to the other. Nor does it make you a special "in-between."
>>69410957
Special snowflake
It's not about us wanting to control your life, it's you wanting us to accept your faggotry. You want to be able to use whatever bathroom you want and be called by your preferred pronouns? Fine. Just don't expect us to view you as anything other than the anomalous freak of nature that you are.
>>69406649
You are whatever you present as. there are no "non binary" snowflake fuckery genders. Enough of this attention seeking behavior
>>69410957
>But Im actually normal guise
Then shutup and vote Trump.
>>69410999
gimme a good one
>transsexualism occurs 1/30k individuals
>we should believe all of the teenagers that claim they're transgender
>we should be fucking with the endocrine system during puberty and mutilating functional genitals
>>69406649
>trannies
>psychology research
What, like those who have already said loud and clear that it's a mental disorder and can be "cured" early on by treating the individual with the proper hormones based on the sex they were born? Nothing new under the sun, tranny, we already know that you're all struggling with how broken your minds are and that rather than accept you're just fucked, you try to make the rest of us cater to how fucked up you are. Not having any of it.
I don't cater to your mental illness, and I doubt you're looking to cater to mine, so let's just let each other fuck off and you can play dress-up and stress about which restroom to use, and I can be angry and want to strangle people with my bare hands but stick with powerlifting instead for venting my rage. It'll be for the best.
>>69410926
Lol read what you said. Are you surprised transpeople suffer from high rates of suicide and depression? You literally just said I should be purged from the Earth because I am different from you. You advocated for slitting my throat but I'm the diseased one.
I'm exercising the most fundamental freedom we all have: freedom over our bodies.
I know your being so edgy but I figure I'd reply.
>>69410749
Sometimes the best insights come from the most unusual sources.
Transition is not always the best choice, and frankly the treatment needs to be re-vaped.
>>69411275
Faggot I am voting trump. MAGA. I posted this cause I watched him on the town hall tonight and cringed when he got the question about trans rights because he didn't say what he thought. He tried to be politically correct. What a cuck.
still voting him though.
>>69411257
>>69411351
If the leg goes lame, it must be removed. If the kidney fails, it must be cut out. The body does not live for the individual organs. Sometimes for the body to survive, parts of it must be lost. A good surgeon understands this.
>>69406649
If you're transgender you suffer from gender dysphoria.. If you're transsexual (born with tits and a penis) you have a birth defect most likely caused by hormonal disruptors effecting the embryo in utero.
please stop trying to mainline mental disorders as natural genetic "phenotypes".
You've been brainwashed by gender identity propaganda and you are confused about what you identify as because morons have made you insecure about who you are..
>>69411304
Sounds good.
>>69406649
>transgender
>phenotype
phenotypes are physical characteristics of genes
what the fuck are you talking about
>physiological research
k
>>69410999
Rolling to see if I vomit again.
>>69411351
"Transpeople" suffer from high rates of suicide and depression because the overwhelming majority are millennials who turn to it in an effort to establish an identity for themselves. Realizing that you've destroyed your body and snipped your end of the family tree for a passing feeling tends to result in bad feelings. The fact that the person was encouraged to do so at every step of the way also enlightens them about the ills of society in general.
In my country there are a lot of trans and gay people. So many it becomes a joke that you can't define sexual orientation of kid until 20 bc god knows he might turn gay/trans.
Trans/gay is good people. They drive economy and as a man, you have less competition.
>>69411737
wrong pic
>>69410445
>It's pretty small and useless now so it doesn't really get in the way.
Are you really comfortable with destroying your fully functioning penis knowing you will never have a proper vagina?
>>69410957
You're an ill man. That's what you are. Yes, we get it you got the hormones raging through your body and your brain is a little bit more female or whatever, but that means you have a hormonal disorder and a birth defect.
Just because there are physical differences in your brain structure does not mean you are a "phenotype"
There are physical differences in people with scoliosis or other genetic diseases. That doesn't mean they are a special "phenotype". They are a birth defect.
>>69406649
You are a man, you were born a man. Man up and stop sucking dicks.
>>69406649
What does being a phenotype prove to anyone? Trannies are still suicidal degenerates and their sensibilities need not be catered to.
>>69406649
>phenotype
>>69407090
>phenotypes?
>>69407149
>phenotype
>>69407888
>phenotype
>>69410285
>phenotype
>>69410428
>phenotype
Hey faggots, OP said phenotype when it meant to say genotype.
HELPFUL HINT:
>The genotype is the part (DNA sequence) of the genetic makeup of a cell, and therefore of an organism or individual, which determines a specific characteristic (phenotype) of that cell/organism/individual.
PRO TIP: phenotype is just a fancy word for an observable trait, such as eye color, height, big nigger lips or a nappy jew-fro hair.
>>69406649
You are too civilized for this board OP.
Good points OP. I hope everything goes well with you.
>>69406649
Out of everything that has been pushed by progressives I think the trans thing is one of the only ones that seems to have backfired, lots of red pilled trannies
>>69411927
Yeah thanks! I messed up there.
>>69406649
>>69406705
>>69406836
>>69406965
>>69407042
This does not prove in any way that transgender individuals are not their birth sex, OP. It just proves that through some process, their brains developed wrongly. It's not your fault, since it's a congenital defect.
That doesn't make you a woman. At best, it makes you a man that should be treated like a woman and given a woman's body because that's the best way to habilitate you to some standard of normal functionality in society.
The only argument that can possibly be raised to say that a male-to-female transgender is actually a woman [rather than a male with a congenital defect] would be some sort of spiritual/religious argument. You were "meant" to be a third gender or something because God/spirits/collective unconsciousness, such as pandaka in the Vinaya Buddhist tradition.
>>69409156
>Transexuals are merely another class of mentally ill people that have not received the proper treatment for their condition.
This. Telling them they are perfectly fine is the real problem, the should treat it like an illness and try to cure it.
>>69412134
>ShyhcFaG
Your ID speaks the truth you impressionable mongrel.
>>69410957
> I live my life for myself
bullshit, the whole point of you making this thread was to get a vastly overwhelming normal majority to tolerate and cater to your degenerate cancer, take your mones, cut your cock off i don't care, but just keep your fucking head down and don't parade about and seek awareness and publicity and then claim "I don't live for others" fucking lol
>>69412178
>Faux-enthusiasm
Cut that shit out. You're meant to be convincing us that you AREN'T mentally ill.
>>69412134
>shy fag
>>69411351
The media coddles you friend. Plenty of SJWs rage about how we're the scum of the earth who deserved to be purged. So what? I would say man up, but you've probably already cut your balls off.
>>69411351
Trans people are toxic to society. Same with gay people. You are disrupting to society. Many gay people try to convert straight people and peddle their homosexual propaganda.
Society is like the human body. If a defective or toxic cell exists in the body, it is destroyed by the antibodies as to not spread and kill the entire body as a whole.
Now I in particular probably wouldn't advocate killing people like you. But I would sure as fuck outlaw your LGBT propaganda.
I get really tired of seeing people mistaking sex and gender. Gender is just what's masculine or feminine. Sex is male or female. Man is adult human male, woman is adult human female. If trans people actually accepted themselves like they want us to accept them, trans men wouldn't be saying "I'm a woman", they'd just say "I'm a hyper-feminine man". The problem is, they can't accept themselves for who they are and they themselves don't understand the difference between sex and gender. If they accepted themselves, they wouldn't need to mutilate their genitals, they would just be like, "this is what I am, oh well. I like having my penis and wearing lipstick and being feminine." I have a problem with transgender people that demand to be called "he" or "she" or "man" or "woman" when they are not those things and paint you as a bigot when you refuse to lie to them. No, you just don't understand gender and sex. Masculinity and femininity are just characteristics that are traditionally attributed to the sexes based on the roles that they are biologically well-suited for.
>>69412220
Conservative right wing here mate.
But holly shit, I laughted at the ID.
>>69412179
Read what I said. I completely agree with you. I literally never said transwomen ARE women, I actually said the opposite in the OP.
I consider transpeople a gender variant. But just because we are a variant doesn't mean we shouldn't have equal rights!
Further, transpeople have existed throughout many historical cultures and never faced the discrimination we face now.
>>69410999
give me a trap qt
>>69412280
it's not faux. I already said in this thread my purpose in life is to learn and grow. I used a wrong term and was corrected. I now remember that phenotype is the expression of the genotype. I'm genuinely happy I was corrected so in the future I don't make the mistake again.
>>69406649
>Gender is a social construct
>Except for when we say it isn't
Trannies are the masters of mental gymnastics
>>69412456
>N-no, you don't understand, muh identity tho
If I cared about your identity I'd probably be blind enough to side with OP.
>>69412178
>implying gender/race/sexuality/ethnicity/nationality/religion is anything other than a social construct
ISHIGGYDIGGY
>>69412593
I don't think it's binary. Hardly anything is binary. Everything exists in gradients but I guess that's hard for you extremists to see. You guys are literally just as bad as tumblr. Both are echo chambers of a singular extremist perspective.
I think facets of gender are social constructs like clothes, interests, etc, but I think there is a physiological mechanism behind the formation of our identity.
Nice straw man though.
>>69412435
Don't try and pervert our language to match your birth defect.
This is why people hate gays and the LGBT movement. You faggots can't just be happy having the right to live out your gay life. You try and pervert society as a whole to match your faggot behavior that is very much in the minority. You think that society needs to accommodate a very small group of people because you are different. YOU are the MINORITY, so YOU get in line with the MAJORITY.
>tfw no qt trap gf who kinda looks like ivanka
>>69407850
Here's your "FUCKING LEAF" friendo
>>69412467
What rights do you want that you have been insisting you do not have, OP. Or are you just like the trannies pol hates and just want to be called a special snowflake? Hint: that isn't a right.
>>69412406
The fact you assumed I'd have bottom surgery (which I explicity stated I wouldn't) shows you definitely didn't read the empirical research I posted.
So........... your opinion means nothing
>>69407732
Would fuck, not even gay.
>>69409449
why did this give me a boner
>>69412830
No, they want to pervert society as a whole. They think that literally 100% of the population should adapt to meet their needs, rather than the other way around.
>>69406649
Hang yourself
>>69412467
>I consider transpeople a gender variant.
And this is what I take issue with, OP.
I'll admit that my dick doesn't care and I would call a MtF a good little girl if we were fucking or having a relationship. But fundamentally, I don't accept the assertion based on pure science that there are any more than man and woman. There are no gender 'variants' - there are men, and there are women.
It's a complex issue when we ask "Well what about women with a non-functioning Y chromosome? What about men with XX chromosomes?" But the best we can do in those cases is identify them by how they appear, because congenital malfunction is just that. A malfunction. Treating at as anything else is making defects in the human condition 'normal'.
>>69410999
rollin for sign my tits slut
>>69412925
You're right I didn't read anything you posted. I'll some up what you said. It's a hormonal disorder which causes brains to develop in a slightly different manner. There you go. Also, you're on /pol/ and you can't even take a joke...
>>69412573
I see right through you. I sexually identify as a man who's fed up with your shit. You feel next to nothing. You put on a mask to try to convince people that you've somehow successfully argued against sadness, and now "know better". It's the only womanly thing about you. That sort of false conviction is everywhere in society these days. It's more common than rain. You reject out of hand the notion of happiness through strength and success, so you're forced to take happiness through logic instead. But happiness is inherently devoid of logic. In reality, you live as most others today do: Alienated from your fellow man, devoid of character, and desperate for compassion and honesty. What you do is unnatural, even beyond your "transgender" shit.
>>69412830
Equal treatment for housing, healthcare, employment, military, prison, and non discrimination laws like the one that just popped up in Indiana where transpeople could be fined $5000 and 1 year in jail for using the bathroom for their presenting identity.
I'm not asking for MORE rights. I'm asking for equal rights. Nobody else gets thrown out of their house for the basis of their physical expression. Nobody else gets fired solely for their gender expression.
I want equal rights, not more rights. Trans people are not protected under the law in many places.
>>69412766
>hurr durr not binary
Humans are either male or female. Anyone claiming to be something else has a mental disorder.
Boys that think they're girls are mentally ill.
Girls that want to be boys are mentally ill.
inb4 muh gay marriage -- homos are mentally ill and homosexuality was classified as a mental illness by psychiatrists up until fairly recently
>>69412766
How is it a straw man? You lunatics literally used the social construct meme to deflect scientific experts telling you you are crazy and now that a few literally whos start parroting your bullshit back in order to keep their research grants you suddenly say science is the end all argument winner
I would be a lot more tolerant of you headcases if you weren't such massive fucking hypocrites
>>69406649
Being a special snowflake isn't a right. Go be a woman or whatever then and be a hardworking individual, show me - although I'm highly skeptical- that you aren't some strange, perverted monster and that you actually can be an asset to society.
>>69406649
cutting your cock off doesnt change your sex.
>>69413203
You want to be an official special snowflake that people are obligated by law to think are interesting.
>>69413104
Okay, that's totally fair. I don't care if you call me a man or woman. Just treat me with the respect you would treat any citizen. I'm living my life. I'm not asking people to bend over backwards to accomodate my needs. I don't freak out over pronouns. I was born with a male body. It's not a secret I try to hide or delude myself from. But I present as a female, I look pretty similar to females, I sound pretty similar, etc. I'm a normal human being and I deserve to be treated like you would treat anyone else.
>>69413203
>Hurr durr
A man wearing a dress should not be allowed to use the women's restroom. Even if he surgically mutilates his penis. You're lucky we haven't exterminated you, you degenerate piece of human trash. Be happy with what you get
>>69413203
>Equal treatment for housing, healthcare, employment, military, prison
Already done
>the one that just popped up in Indiana where transpeople could be fined $5000 and 1 year in jail for using the bathroom for their presenting identity. I'm not asking for MORE rights. I'm asking for equal rights
Since when are males allowed to use female bathrooms? That's not equal rights that is special rights. If we take your position we should honestly just get rid of segregated bathrooms. It's already proven unconstitutional by the Plessy vs. Ferguson ruling.
>>69413515
Lol! I'm an educator. A very successful private educator. I run my own business and it's quite great.
What do you add to society besides memes and authoritarian boot licking?
>>69413702
>I'm not asking people to bend over backwards
You aren't. But 99% of your movement IS. Your LGBT movement tries to pervert society to match your disorder.
It's your disorder, your fucking problem. Stop trying to convert people and change language and ideas that is the basis of a healthy, functioning society.
>>69413702
You're a mentally unstable, borderline psychotic freakshow that should not be allowed in public.
You belong in a mental institution where you can have the care you need.
>>69409427
>By GENDER is meant a grammatical classification of nouns, pronouns, or other words in the noun phrase according to certain meaning-related distinctions, especially a distinction related to the sex of the referent
-A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language
How does it feel to be objectively wrong
>>69413657
Nice, don't read anything. I've said four times I never plan on cutting myself or getting bottom surgery.
Your aversion to reading is probably why you have such an ignorant uninformed view.
>>69413702
>Just treat me with the respect you would treat any citizen.
I only treat citizens with the respect they deserve. So basic politeness and nonaggression if they're normal decent folk. I'll treat them with utter contempt if they're raging sluts or BLM activists or drugged up retards.
But yeah, I do get what you mean. What to be my dickgirl gf?
>>69406649
>biological phenotype
Nope. Your data comes from institutions which wouldn't publish anything politically correct.
But I'd still play pretend with you and maintain the white lie, like everyone else.
Fuck's sake. The only reason OP came here to begin with is because tumblr won't give him the attention he wants. It isn't special to be "transgender" on tumblr anymore, hence that he comes here to shove it down our throats.
>>69411737
AS IF
they drive the economy because thailand is a big whorehouse where men prefer to get tits and strip for tourists instead of working,
>>69412801
You're fucking retarded. Look it up. It says:
Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity.
It's called freedom faggot. I don't have to like transgender people, I don't have to hang out with them if I dont want to. I don't get what they've got going on, but I defend their right to do whatever they want or be whoever they want to be as long as it doesn't interfere with another person's liberties. However, the point of my post was to highlight the difference between sex and gender. Mongoloids like you without the ability to read are still incapable of grasping this difference. It's the reason why all the pronoun bullshit is just that, bullshit. A feminine man is not a woman, they are a man
>>69413852
"My movement".. I cringe at some of the LGBT movements perspectives.
>>69414006
Why won't you reply to me faggot?
Are you a troll?
You haven't addressed the fundamental problem with LGBT that makes people hate you.
We don't encourage suicidal people to kill themselves, why do we encourage other mental illnesses?
>>69406649
Transgenderism is a mental illness. There is no adaptive reasoning for it to have arisen naturally. Its the product of our raised standard of living / mortality rate having assured the reproduction of more genetic material.
Its a defect.
>>69414063
I am not a raging slut (like I said I only have sex in relationships), BLM activist, or drugged up retard.
Speaking of not being a slut, sure I'll be your dickgirl but only if you pin me and restrain me.
>>69413203
You just said yourself that you don't think transwomen are actually women here:
>>69412467
So clearly you would agree that transwomen would not be allowed (i.e. do not have the right) to use a restroom or various other social institutions as women if they are not in fact women, right? Because right now you're sounding exactly like what >>69413693
said. You want to make people treat you as if you were a woman to make you feel better, even if it isn't true. Sorry to burst your bubble but making people lie to be nice to you isn't a right.
>>69406649
transpeople are a different phenotype in the same way that neuroatypical predilections to pedophilea are a phenotype
extant but should be discouraged
>>69406649
You are just handicapped mate. Accept that fact and learn to live with it. Don't try to hide behind science, it's pathetic.
Something went wrong in your development and you don't identify with your gender as determined by your DNA. Most likely something went wrong during gene-expression when you were still a fetus. Tough luck, it happens. Everybody has some defects to one degree or another.
The only one who's anti-science and anto-rational here is you. Stop with your subversion and go join a SJW hugbox or something if you can't accept reality and wish to feel "accepted".
Also discrimination is as natural to people as breathing air. It's not wrong and it's never going away.
>>69414106
Gender initially meant the same thing as biological sex, and now has been subverted to whatever you feel like. Yes, your gender could be 10 year old girl.
>>69414106
That definition has changed as a result of the LGBT movement you dumbfuck.
No one 200 years ago in Western Civilization would have given the definition a discussion or even entertained such a ludicrous idea.
This is exactly what I'm talking about - faggots like you have perverted the definition now and act as though that is how it has always been. You are subverting society.
>>69407261
I agree with you. I'm ok with someone being gay but I don't get transgenders. To me the sex is assigned to you the same way that I have 2 hands. If I at some point I believe that I should cut one of my hand to be more happy, everyone would conclude that I'm crazy. But for changing sex it is ok? Does my logic make any sense?
the toppest lels and keks
>>69406649
fuck science
science is supposed to be about the facts, bottom line, nothing else, science isn't supposed to adhere to any ideology or support a narrative, it's supposed to be a way to understand and teach reality
science has been hijacked, molested, and tossed in the gutter, i don't even trust scientific studies or scientists anymore, science has become a religion, an ideology, a fucking buzzword
fuck science, fuck scientists, and fuck the people who took the fun out of everything
>>69406649
Ok, let's start it simple: op is a fag. Now on to the issues. Could op explain what anyone means when they say someone is 'transgendered'? I've often times heard that it's to be trapped in a body of the wrong sex, am I understanding that correctly? A question that comes to mind is that how would you know? You never experienced life as the other sex, did you? Then why would you assume that that is the 'itch' that you're having in your head? I can understand that an individual can have a particular perception of the other sex based on what he observes/is thaught - but this probably only reflects the views of the group he lives in and is indeed a social construct (his perception of the other sex). So in order to achieve happines a transgendered person needs to reflect societies vision of the gender he/she/it/whateva internalizes? I mean, you can be gay in this day and age you know... Also what would be the point? You can never truly achieve what you are striving for - you will never be a true woman whilst beeing transwoman (you will neer bear children - and vice versa for men) so what's the point? You want to live the rest of your life with mutilated genitals and look like a freak - effectively flattening the issue to cosmetic surgery and aesthetics? Are the challenges of modern societies expectetions for genders to hard to fulfill that the human mind needs to repackage itself into a different vessel? I don't get it, man... I mean, it is clear, from the studies you show that you can have the neuro chemistry of a woman while being a man but that's it. That does not make you a woman - you may however find it hard to fulfill the role of a man since you weren't build for that - i give you that. I guess the conclussion is you are a loser in the genetic lotery - you either man up and play the cards you were dealt meaning you may be unhappy in life or go through with the SRS bs and will never fulfill the biological imperative that drives us...
>>69406649
>/pol/ I am a transgender individual.
Dropped.
>>69414347
YOU aren't but 99% of your movement is.
Stop with this shit. You're not a fucking special snowflake.
The world cannot accommodate your special way of life, we can only make judgments by and large - the bigger group, the bigger picture.
>>69414347
>sure I'll be your dickgirl but only if you pin me and restrain me.
Then let's do this bby.
>>69406649
Here's the thing. A different balance of hormones and an odd pattern of synapse firing does not mean you are a new phenotype. It can be categorised as a mental or physical deformity, but sexual dysphoria is not a thing to be proud of. You didn't get any extra chromosomes because of any of the above reasons, nor where they arranged in a unique pattern.
Besides, unless you were born a hermaphrodite, you have literally no reason to be baiting here.
Die tranny, grow a pair.
>>69414625
Literally proves his sexual degeneracy with that post. He's probably some cuckold sissy who only fucks niggers.
>>69414536
scientists have always been human, science has always been messy, science doesnt promise perfection,
just merhods that are a little bit better than guessing, methods which lead to big gains when practiced by many dumb apes over long periods of times
>>69414353
No but we don't have gender neutral bathrooms so it's completely unsafe for me to enter a mens room.
This is my logic for using the womens restroom. And look at the comments in this thread. You think I want to share a bathroom with men that say they'd like to slit my throat and eradicate me from the planet?
Sure I may not be 100% woman but if you saw me on the street you would read me as woman. I'm gonna use the womans restroom.
Do you want me to fix my makeup in the mens room? So I can get beaten up or raped?
tldr you're a faggot harry
>>69414895
>it's completely unsafe for me to enter a mens room
Carry a gun you pathetic waste. Oh, no, but then you wouldn't have this non-issue to make you feel special.
Transgender people are mentally ill. Researchers aren't allowed to question this fact as doctors are getting paid big money to help people "transition".
>>69406649
>tranny
>rational
Ok
>>69414783
Wow! mild BDSM, so degenerate. Is that because you've never had sex before? I like to have sex. I rarely have sex. As I've said in this thread, it's been two years since I've gotten intimate with someone seriously.
>>69414895
/pol/ isn't most men.
Tell me why should you as a tranny get to go in the female bathroom? Does this mean all you have to do is put a wig on to go into the opposite person's bathroom? Look, if you had surgery and your genitalia match the genitalia of the sex on the sign you can go in there. That completely undermines the point of bathrooms. Women are just as likely to be uncomfortable as men are.
>>69415059
Where do I conceal a gun? Have you ever seen how tiny girls pockets are? Yeah I'll just strap that under my dress. Purse? Sorry that shits full.
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>>69415059
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention: Nobody cares about you. You aren't attractive enough to incite these actions. Other people are not nearly so irrational as to do these things. You only want to believe so because, again, you want to be different.
>>69415076
You're so cold OP. I thought we had a connection
>>69414895
If you pass you would be able to use the women's restroom anyways because no one would notice.
If you look like pic related it's not exactly going to be a secret that you're a man regardless of whether you're inside or outside of a fucking restroom.
>>69415154
Don't conceal it then and start lobbying for open carry instead of your bullshit solution.
>>69415154
>Women can't possibly carry guns no matter what
Do you think that men have holsters sewn into their jeans by default? Your entire line of thought here is so utterly pathetic. The fact that you were so fast to make that response, too, just saddens me in the extreme. Why were you so eager?
You're bad. Stop being bad.
>>69415126
Total bullshit. I use the bathroom with women every day and have for three years. Literally never had a single issue. It's a non issue that you people like to blow up and pretend its a big issue. Girls bathrooms have nothing but stalls. Nobody sees shit. Do you watch other men shit? No, It's a private place you go and do your business then leave.
>>69415076
You're literally started to roleplay on /pol/ that's degenerate as fuck.
>>69415284
that's not what I said. I don't own a gun, I don't really want a gun. I don't want to shoot or hurt anyone. I just want to piss and be on my way. It's literally a non issue.
>>69415154
Use a derringer. Strap it to your thigh, or carry it in your purse.
>>69415231
Exactly. So why is a fucking deal that I use the womans restroom? I've never once in three years had anyone give me any negative reaction or even pay extra attention to me.
>>69415297
You've used the men's bathroom for years and no issues. If you're really that passable why do you care? That prevents trannies who look like males from entering the bathroom. You've said you've gotten away with it for years so why the fuck do you care?
>>69415384
That's exactly what you said and now you're moving the goal posts because you sounded like an idiot. Everybody can just scroll up and see that you're full of shit.
As I said: Carry a gun. If you cannot defend yourself then you are not an adult.
>>69414628
Sure something like that. Maybe a little more collar?
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>>69406908
HAPPENING IN D.C. APRIL 11-18
>>69408180
No faggot, we are biological beings designed to procreate.
Personally, from my understanding of our current biological science these issues (including homosexuality) are caused by incorrect hormone levels of mothers during gestation.
I blame the food for the rise its clear that you are what you eat.
People these days are eating processed shit laden with pesticides proven to be detrimental to human health.
You are a symptom of a much larger problem. That is all.
>>69415297
Right. Then why do you need a separate "gender neutral" restroom? If you pass you have nothing to worry about.
If you look like a man or the opposite gender then people are going to recognize you inside or outside of the restroom.
If you're scared of being targeted then you would be targeted inside or outside of the restroom, it's not going to make a difference if you don't look like the gender you're trying to be.
Regardless of the cause you are deviant
In a far-right society you would be euthanized as you are ill
>>69415384
Ahh, so you're a sissy. Definitely not a conservative
>I don't want to shoot or hurt anyone
Dear god what the fuck is this shit?
>>69410957
>I don't care about passing
>I live my life for myself, not for others
One day or another you'll have to connect with your family, the community, the society. Who we are as people isn't just terminologies and ideologies.
You will care once you start to look for jobs, once you start looking for a significant other, once your family calls you for a reunion, once you travel to other places, life is not just about you...
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>>69407090
All 3 posts are official.
>>69415541
Just as it is your freedom to carry a fire arm, it's my freedom to choose not to. I don't have a desire to hurt anyone. I don't have to be put in the situation if I just use the ladies room. Pretty simple really. It's never been an issue like you all want it to be.
>>69415636
I grow a lot of my own food. Gardening is a passion of mine. I eat some processed but I try to shop smart and get quality food, You are what you eat, afterall.
>>69415471
It's a big deal because under your ideal legislation a man or a woman literally can put on a wig and go in the opposite bathroom. Clearly this would create a lot of social tension and would be very awkward to say the least. In the end, it will result in the desegregation of bathrooms which is the exact opposite of what I want. Moving towards some liberal utopia of "egalitarianism"
>>69407732
>ID: P0Jk
Kek, even your ID says they're male.
memes are not science lol
its a trend
>>69415908
So you're a nigger?
