Remember that San Bernadino Iphone thing? Well the FBI opened the phone without the help of Apple, that an 'unnamed third party' came to help them in unlocking it, thoughts?
'unnamed third party'
>>69171591
So they just paid off an Apple employee off the books.
>>69171591
>thoughts?
Who fucking cares the ithingy belonged to a dead snackbar terrorist.
>>69171591
This is actually a big deal. The government can crack Apples phones now, this means that they can get into anyones phone without needing the warrant. Since it is easy to have one guy crack a phone and put a bug in it, this could actually be pretty scary from a personal privacy point of view.
>>69171591
Apple products are shit and easy to crack
Also Steve Jobs is never coming back, sorry guys
>i do not consent to the search of this phone
>says ive got nothing to hide, why should i care
wew
>>69171591
Probably one of three things:
A) Apple went ahead and unlocked it, but off-the-record, so as not to tarnish their brand identity
B) FBI already had the ability to unlock iPhones, but asked for official help because they didn't want to reveal their skills to the public
C) FBI simply lied about it
the unnamed third party is an Israeli firm
not even joking, google it
>>69172111
You don't have a clue what you are talking about stupid nigger.
I guess someone just bought an exploit. This is pretty common nowadays.
>>69171591
Israel.
>>69171807
more like held a warrant in his face and threatened eternal buttrape
>>69171988
No need to panic, it was an iPhone 5C which means no secure enclave like every phone since the 5S.
>>69172111
>I jailbroke an old ipad so we hacker nao
>What is encryption?
>>69172581
> he's never heard of pwn2own.
Macfags, when will they learn?
>>69171591
My thoughts? rendition Tim Cook and send him to a black site.
>>69173383
Never used a mac in my life, another stupid nigger reveals himself.
>>69173052
>I guess someone just bought an exploit.
The most common password for encryption on any mobile device is a 4 char pin. The gov could have cracked it by brute force in a heartbeat, and probably did. The US just wanted the legal president set to make a company roll over whenever they want
>>69172210
D) Apple were idiots by not complying and keeping quiet about it and FBI figured it out without Apple.
>>69173556
>The gov could have cracked it by brute force in a heartbeat, and probably did.
Nah problem was they couldn't brute force it b/c the device was set to self wipe after 10 wrong tries. That's why they wanted Apple to write them some software that would disable those limits, letting the FBI brute force their way in. Apple correctly realized that writing this software once would let the FBI (or anyone else who got their hands on it) brute force their way into just about any old iPhone.
It was John McAfee and his team showed the FBI how to unlock the phone. You're welcome.
>>69173834
>they couldn't brute force it b/c the device was set to self wipe after 10 wrong tries
need some sauce on that one, but if so it's speculated the fbi employed Cellebrite as it's 3d party
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/03/28/doj_withdraws_claim_in_iphone_case/
http://www.cellebrite.com/
>>69174181
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-wants-apple-to-help-unlock-iphone-used-by-san-bernardino-shooter/2016/02/16/69b903ee-d4d9-11e5-9823-02b905009f99_story.html
>The order, signed Tuesday by a magistrate judge in Riverside, Calif., does not ask Apple to break the phone’s encryption but rather to disable the feature that wipes the data on the phone after 10 incorrect tries at entering a password. That way, the government can try to crack the password using “brute force” — attempting tens of millions of combinations without risking the deletion of the data.
And yes, supposedly the FBI payed Cellebrite $15k to access the phone. In all likelyhood it involved a physical attack on the counter address to reset it every ~5 attempts. A 4 digit pin isn't very strong, it may only have taken a few dozen tries to defeat it.
Apple told one of their software engineers to do this, but off the record and on their own time.
Hence "third party"
>>69171591
>>69171988
>>69173371
I heard it's was only to open the phone, there is still have encrypted data on the phone
>>69171591
>unnamed third party
>feds and apple work together
>apple want's to make it look like they don't
>unnamed third party
You guys don't actually believe the FBI can't get into an ipod phone?
Pretty sure half of /pol/ could have done it
>>69171591
>unnamed third party
>>69171591
>'unnamed third party'
The Jews.
>>69171591
>Programming in Java
That's the real issue here.
>>69171988
Are you honestly so naive to think that the government couldnt crack an iphone all along? Come on now. They just wanted a justification to get some legislation on software spying passed.
>>69171988
> this means that they can get into anyones phone without needing the warrant.
Strong enough encryption and they can't do shit except keep it for long enough to install a keylogger.
>>69171591
>'unnamed third party'
You're welcome.
>>69171744
>stormfags actually believe they can beat Israel.
Enemy comms would be hacked within hours.
>>69171591
what is this eff stick shit I am see around constantly?
>>69177032
>Enemy comms would be hacked within hours.
Just try hacking me with my tinfoil hat using the latest cup and string to cup protocols. Checkmate kikes
>>69176353
this guy fucks
>>69175030
>tens of millions of combinations
can you just get past that shit by making the password thousands of characters long? like a megabyte sized password?
>>69177411
No. Please understand shit before posting dumb fucking questions.
>>69171591
other interesting threads on /g/
-- >>>/g/53739769
-- >>>/g/53739174
I'm glad they could get into the phone. Privacy is not a right and if you care about your safety you wouldn't have a problem giving the government access to your information.
>Tfw when you have a Galaxy.
>be government. need to set precedent to expand access to encrypted data through unobstructed channels.
>dont bother with FISA this time, want a CLEAR precedent. this shit needs to be something people agree to and companies comply with openly.
> Apple fights back, hires powerful level 94 Attorney-mon. all we have is magikarp.
>panic...spin. apple is a meanie bo beanie and we're #freedum.
>its not very effective. highlight our own secret precedent we've established in the past with apple.
> it hurt itself in the confusion. attorneymon used first_amendment on code. its super effective.
>uh, we dont have time for this! also we would overtly LOSE a precedent to erode the first amendment. truck this phone to $jew_corp to break it...
> solushun obtained! we got that data (we didnt really...we just changed the definition of "got the data.")
>maybe android will be easier?
> ignore rampant over-incarceration, poverty, declining quality of life, economic inequality, and $debt. murca for the win, we need to find $terrorists
"The government is not saying exactly what data were found on the phone. DOJ spokeswoman Melanie Newman says the FBI is currently reviewing the information on the phone, consistent with standard investigatory procedures."
#BULLSHIT
"The end of this legal standoff also means that no legal precedent gets set for the scope of government's power to compel an unwilling company to cooperate in an investigation"
so...Apple=win.
>>69171988
>This is actually a big deal. The government can crack Apples phones now
This does not mean that. Most encryption is cracked in stupid lowtech ways like phishing.
The trick to cracking encryption is to just walk around it.
>>69178247
>Samsung was doing it before iPhones
That whole Android is more secure and private is a meme bro
>>69171591
I work for Apple. There is no way they did this using our operating system (iOS). I think all they did was access the data indirectly through another OS and a bunch of tech heads.
>>69177174
https://www.eff.org/
Good idea to spend a bit of time reading around their site. You don't have to agree with everything they do & stand for, but they are deep into some serious, sick shit. Sign up for their newsletter, about half the time it hits your inbox with shit going on that's hours old and filled with actual facts and actionable information.
>>69177305
Tinfoil accelerates signals dumbass
>>69178099
>Privacy is not a right
>Canuckaduh
> not having a 4th Amendment
Always you get both for the price of some weed.
>>69171591
Nice to know they got some help. It shouldn't have been an issue in the first place tbqh
Security is an illusion. Locks are for honest people.
>>69177411
Tens of millions? No, a 10 character (0-9) * 4 digit pin is merely 10,000 combinations. Even worse, people are terrible at picking PIN passwords so roughly 25% of 4 digit pins can be cracked just using the 20 most popular combinations. The top 61 combinations increases that to 33%. To hit 50% you only need to try 426 of the most common PINs. Given unlimited attempts, the FBI probably had this guys phone cracked before their next pot of coffee was done brewing.
As far as password strength is concerned, there's two things to remember: increase character space, and increase length. That means using letters, numbers, symbols, capitals, etc. And while there's no need for a password thousands of characters long (that would be nearly impossible for a human to remember), by the time you hit a dozen or more characters you can make things pretty difficult for a computer. Keep in mind that every character you add squares (roughly) the possible number of combinations. Here's the obligatory XKCD about it: http://xkcd.com/936/
My personal anecdote is this: If you're looking for a good starting place for a really strong password, start with song or poetry lyrics. Most people can rattle off an entire verse from a favorite song with ease. That gives you an enormous amount of room to start throwing in a couple symbols, numbers, and capitalization, to build a password that's more or less bullet proof. (And at that point you have to start worrying about someone breaking your password with a lead pipe instead of a computer).
>>69178666
nigger you don't UNDERSTAND
The tinfoil isn't supposed to stop the signal, it's just supposed to add enough noise that any mind-data they extract is gibberish
>>69179031
>filename
Isn't that maribel?
>>69171988
>The government can crack Apples phones now
They can crack that iPhone. Next security release would be stronger, and the next one after that would be stronger.
Nothing is invulnerable, but it'll be a lot more difficult the next time around.
>>69178283
With how many times The U.S governement, NSA, FBI etc has been "hacked" why would Apple trust these dickweeds with software that completely undermines their protocolsetc.
>>69178576
>>69171591
Good quick, short read with some decent links to related:
-- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/03/fbi-breaks-iphone-and-we-have-some-questions
>>69179675
Shit you're right. Thanks bro
>>69179590
But it just makes signals stronger. Do a speed test on a phone covered in tin foil then without.
>>69180597
Phones use metal antennas, so the metal helps the signal. If you wear a hat made of human brains it might do it.
>>69171988
Yeah I'm sure the government wants to hack your phone so they can steal all your dickgirl hentai on it.
>>69171988
>This is actually a big deal. The government can '''''''''''''crack''''''''''''' Apples phones '''now''', the current yyear or earlier
>>69172111
So, are you the infamous hacker known as Anonymous then?
>>69181877
no hes the infamous hacker known as 4chan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVhn_tdF3eo
>>69172210
>FBI simply lied about it
This is the more likely scenario. They might be trying to make it look like they have the ability to unlock it if they put enough effort into it and they don't need Apple's help, probably to get them to be more likely to cooperate in the future since Apple will think that they'll just crack it anyway and all they'll get by refusing to cooperate would be negative press.
Are you gus this inept at technology?
Anybody with the proper knwoledge, resources, and time could crack an apple phone.
This whole thing is a media distraction, and a subtle advertisement for Apple as (stickig up for ur righta XD)
You seriously think the government would base their decisions on Apple?
Fuck read a book
>>69182198
I knew it was one or the other. I could have sworn I heard someone say Anonymous though.
>>69182450
>This whole thing is a media distraction
Actually, it's just the opposite.
This entire story and it's details & related stories are getting very little media attention in proportion to how important they are.
-- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/03/hubris-investigators
One of several key issues discussed at that link:
> we should be disturbed by FBI officials repeatedly discounting the potential harms that their demands could have caused.
> For example, claims that the powers sought in San Bernardino would be applied to a single phone in a single investigation into a particularly heinous crime were proven false within days. Prosecutors in cities from coast-to-coast confirmed that they plan to seek similar orders circumventing the device encryption on hundreds of phones in cases completely unrelated to terrorism.
> Those officials have thousands of counterparts across the U.S. who would, if able, follow closely behind them. Creating master keys to circumvent device encryption would leave no user of that platform—or any other platform—safe, should the law change to allow government investigators the power to force any company to essentially hack their users.
> And that's just the U.S. government. What damage a master key could do in the hands of Chinese, Iranian or Israeli intelligence operatives is anyone’s guess. Quite frankly, the bureau should know better.
>>69183220
So basically iphones are no longer safe. Fucks sake i just renewed my contact.
Is it possible to run a different operating system that isnt crackable on an iphone?
>>69183718
just get a blackphone, nigger
>>69183718
Nothing was ever safe in the ultimate sense. There is nothing that "isn't crackable"
>>69184539
k i guess i just will never ever keep any important information on my phone. Thats good to know
>>69181236
RARE
>>69175030
Actually, the most simple attack would be to read the firmware off the phone's NAND chip, try the pin 9 times, then re-write the NAND with the original and try 9 more.
Do this until you crack the code.
With a 4 pin code, this would take 1111 possible re-writes.
If the company in question was smart, they would have made a bed of needles test set and used a setup that let them set up 100 NAND chips to be swapped as needed and have it cracked in 1-4 days.
If they REALLY wanted to fuck over Apple, they would have de-potted the main processor and used a logic analyses to find their private encryption key, then used that to break it and every other iPhone in the world open in a second.
Apple wouldn't be able to patch that either. They'd have to recall ALL iPhones and issue new hardware with a new private key.
>>69184685
never keep ANYTHING on ANYTHING unless you're willing to let others see it.
>>69186254
For bonus points, know how to instantly render it worthless
>and always have at least double redundant backup copies of anything you care about
>>69171591
Not unnamed
It was an Israeli security firm
>>69183718
iOS crackable by America
Every other OS crackable by everyone
Just go with whatever you like. Plus Google supports LGBT rights across the globe and social justice is important you should support that!
>>69186019
Golly someone should hire you
>>69172210
Think so?
Apple was on fire
>>69171591
Apple so fucking stupid they could have kept it in the down low, but now everyone know that it is hackable.
>>69178507
Yes or they are lying because they did not unlock barbossas phone
Ban of Apple products in us when?
>>69171591
At least those evil obstructionists at Apple were finally defeated! We now have the contents of that phone, hopefully some of the information can help us defeat ISIS.
>>69184539
This
There is a story called "The Locksmiths conundrum"
>tldr: if I can get into it, why couldn't anyone else?
>>69171591
EVERYONE WATCH THIS THIS IS THE TRUTH, featuring John McAfee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG0bAaK7p9s
>>69175907
THIS!
I thought it was obvious.
