How do we fix Russia?
>The GDP growth is consistently negative.
>The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in Russia contracted 4.10 percent year-on-year in the third quarter of 2015, following 4.6 percent drop in the previous period and below market expectations.
>http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual
>Russia has the highest heroin usage in the world, second only to Afghanistan who happens to be the lead producer or opiates, controlling 93% of the world' market.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use
>Russian Rubles are complete fucking ass, with an exchange rate of 1 USD equal to 65.8560 RUB
>http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=RUB
>Salaries shrinking regularly, despite inflation.
>Amid soaring inflation, the average monthly salary across Russia shrank to 31,200 rubles ($500) in January, Gazeta.ru reported Tuesday citing the Economic Development Ministry.
>Inflation is over 15%
>Consumer prices in Russia increased by 15.6 percent year-on-year in October of 2015, down from a 15.7 percent growth in the previous month.
>It was the second straight month the inflation decelerated, as cost of food, transportation and housing rose at a slower pace while clothing and footwear prices went up.
>http://www.tradingeconomics.com/russia/inflation-cpi
>1 million Russians officially living with HIV
>“It has not justified itself,” Pokrovsky said, noting that the official number of Russians with HIV has grown to some 930,000 people from around 500,000 in 2010.
>http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/15/russian-hiv-aids-epidemic-worsening-under-kremlin-policies-says-expert
>In 2012, the rate of teenage suicides in Russia was three times higher than the world average.[7]
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Russia
>Russia has second worst suicide rate in the world
>http://themoscownews.com/society/20111011/189114308.html
>>56817137
The aids thing is almost entirely fags. In other countries they have programs to give condoms and teach fags to get aids less often, but in Russia the fags just bareback each other and spread their death
Don't forget that Chechnya, the land of brutal primitive islamists led by Kadyrov, receives the highest share of budget among all regions. Kadyrov has a golden fountain, a great palace and insane amount of shady untraceable money.
hilfe pliz
>>56817137
>20% mudslimes
>very high divorce rate
>lots of strong independent career bitches
>shit quality of life on average
>mongloid, stani,uzbeki, turkic looking people everywhere
but m-m-m-muh savior of muh white race
I think you're less keked than shitty god forsaken shithole of slavs, and mongloid, stani,uzbeki, turkic looking peoples
Also don't forget that Olgino/Savushkino RIDF receives 33 million roubles from the budget MONTHLY (information from Dec'14, most likely a lot more now) while there are millions living in poverty. The average teacher's/medicine worker's salary is ~15-20k roubles/month.
Oh boy, that sliding. Good to see that those 33 millions are totally justified.
Yes, yes, post more retarded threads and bump your old ones. 33 millions is no laughing matter!
Back from the 5th page!
Work, monkeys, work harder!
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>>56817894
>B-b-bbut m-my savior of white race!
>>56817948
Sad thing is, even without RIDFs, there are lots of people both here and in the west, who unironically think that.
That's why we need to keep this thread up against the sliding to attract as many discussion as possible.
>5th page already
Just look at the time stamps. Insane coordination, they really DO put these money to good use, must give them that.
>>56818093
Calm the fuck down. The RIDF and Kadyrov aren't even a partially serious point, that's just bullshit rich dissidents like to discuss to stay somewhat relevant in their mob.
There are enough of much more interesting. Mentality, for example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAYDQN6gyCk
>>56818346
I wholeheartedly agree that these are definitely not the main points, yet right now I feel like the most successful RIDF's propaganda point is 'Putin = saviour of the white race'. And Kadyrov+RIDF budget are probably the best indications of how much exactly does he care about his people, therefore it's something that deluded westerners need to research the most.
>>56818093
>Sad thing is, even without RIDFs, there are lots of people both here and in the west, who unironically think that.
MY parents think Russia is a good place to live, and actually plan on moving back there in a few years. LMAO
I don't think they realize just how bad it is compared to Canada, or really any part of the civilized world.
Their justification?
>There's no gay pride parades
>There's no niggers(apparently Churki aren't niggers)
>Putin is a caring man
>Russian economy is going strong(negative GDP for a while now, shitty currency, 15% inflation but ok)
>Unironically call it the last bastion of the white race
lol I can't wait until they move there then realize that it's 10x worse
>>56818630
While I understand you, tell me this: can you really, sincerely say you 'can't wait for that'? Aren't a part of you screaming inside at your helplessness in this situation?
Maybe I'm projecting, but that's exactly what I feel. That's why I'm being so adamant with any possible openings to strike at their propaganda.
Also, I want RIDFs to keep working hard for their roubles, so I'll preventively say something so that they'll have to panic and change their line of attack:
In case this thread starts getting alive with real discussion, without me bumping it constantly, we can expect the following:
1 'Latvia' poster;
1 'Poland' poster with sarcastic comments about 'RIDF paranoya'
1 'Sweden' poster with 'SUPPORTING ANGLOS = ANTI-WHITE'
1 'Macedonian' poster without any really special traits
And several RIDFs without proxies, too. Ad hominems, 'proxy-hohols' and 'libtards'.
There, your turn, Volodin&Potupchik.
Just look at the amount of fresh 1-post threads appearing instantly after every bump :^)
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All of these appeared after >>56818940 in less than a minute.
>>56818940
I think it's just people blind patriot bydlo and people living in other countries.
It's good be proud of your country and patriotic but saying memes in response to serious problems isn't going to fix a single thing.
Btw should I even bother trying to convince my parents not to leave back to Russia? I tried to explain how the economy isn't doing all that well, and mentioned a bunch of statistics but they just say "it doesn't matter". Should I just let them crash and burn?
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>>56819130
Also 15+ minute breaks before 'replies' in dead threads like this one:
>>56818302
I'm onto you, faggots. One person with a desire for a better world is stronger than 20 paid shills.
>>56817218
>>56817137
Surely the heroin thing and the AIDS thing are related right
Being a poor retard with a heroin addiction is actually an even quicker and easier way to get AIDS than being a promiscuous faggot
Russia may not have Standard Fuck Parties but it does have Standard Dope Parties
>>56818940
Assuming the RIDF shill is real and not just butthurt diaspora, why do they waste their time with /pol/? There can't be more than 900 people who post here daily with a few hundred lurkers dropping a shitpost or two before leaving. Our board is small enough to identify certain shitposters (case in point: your post).
>>56818630
Are your parents often watch RT?
Russia's always been a shithole, everyone knows that. What's impressive is that they still haven't collapsed.
Happy Fucksgiving, /pol/bros.
The one day of the year when jaded, dysfunctional, alienated and bitter 'Muricans do their best to find one thing... anything... they can give one last fuck about.
Long live Russia and benevolent protector of Syrian sovereignty Putin.
>>56819306
I'd do everything I could to convince them. Nothing changed since Soviet era, I'm sure you know that picture of 'Soviet liberators'. That's exactly how these Putin-supporters actually view *anyone* from other countries. They act friendly only until you do what they say and consider them to be your overlords; otherwise everyone is an untermensch to them, even their own neighbours - the NKVD era proved that well enough; when the archives were starting to get declassified, people analyzing those were in horror; almost EVERY USSR citizen has reported at least someone at least once.
>>56819531
>Are your parents often watch RT?
Nah they watch legit Russian tv, Channel one and such(can't remember what else they're called). - So blatant Russian-propaganda.
Last time they lived there was in the 90's, and they visited once since there and were amazed because it wasn't as bad as the 90's LOL. Obviously they haven't worked/ACTUALLY lived there, just stayed for a few weeks.
>>56817137
Its a sad thing indeed, I was on vacation there and the prospects of life and work were kinda shit indeed
>12 hour workday
>food expensive comparative to the wages now
>many people struggling
Its like all of the money that the country is making, is going towards the army. Towards foreign games. Then again, those foreign games are also a source of income.
Its so fucking shit what kind of bad position russia is wedged in. There is no clear solution. Automation, china, the west have the future of industry in their hands. Russia is a bit late to the game. The only good unique thing that they have is their arms industry.
If the soviet union didnt fall...
>>56818489
I don't think we can ourselves guess what's on his mind, and these aren't eye-openers. Remember "Oнa yтoнyлa" and then forget the Putin and his influence at all. We don't live in bloody tribe, so I prefer not to think anything about chief. While someone in Moscow is shouting, we read the news from Sakhalin. Khoroshavin's bread may be just about 5-6 RIDF budgets, but there were enough people who could prevent it if they were vigilant even a bit. Corruption's hard to take down, but half of OP-post's shit can be changed only by small people, just care a bit and everything will be fine. Instead everybody's crying wolf.
Дocтoeвщинy вaлить нaдo, a нe чacы c Пecкoвa cдиpaть.
>>56819529
I can tell you why. Olgino/Savushkino - google that, you'll find a lot of information. As I've already mentioned, their monthly budget is AT LEAST 33 million, the average monthly salary is 35-40k roubles/month (with a normative of 100 comments/posts per day). Even a McDonalds job pays less, and the economy is in shambles right now, finding an actual job is brutally hard, and there is obviously no such thing in Russia as 'small business'.
disgusting medicine, roads, education, pension cuts, but a lot of the money goes to war, corruption, propaganda, financing of the occupied territories.
>>56818940
>>56818630
I know that Russia's economy is shit right now but I think they have ok fundamentals. Let me explain why
1) Russia's recession is mostly due to sanctions and trade disruption due to international political issues (sanctions) and low oil prices and that can change pretty quickly
2) The US and EU have massive economic issues too but they have the luxury of hiding the problem by having zero % interest, and massive quantitative easing to drive stock markets and speculative investment up and up since 2008. This isn't really growth but retards think it is. Meanwhile we refuse to address the root causes of our problems. Our leaders refuse to admit there is a problem
Russia at least acknowledges the scope of its issues and Putin claims to have a plan to diversify away from over reliance on the energy sector and grow exports again. See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11929969/Rouble-strengthens-as-Russia-forces-exporters-to-dump-foreign-cash-reserves.html
>socialism
>>56819815
Interesting. I wish my government paid me to troll.
>>56819652
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>>56819857
Russians are nice people, great inventors/science/artists/composers, etc but the country really is shit and in shambles...
In fact I'm actually incredibly surprised how many contributions Russians have had to pretty much every field, if they didn't have such consistently shit Governments they would probably be flying around in space right now and wearing robotic suits.
>>56819814
I agree with that too. I'll say more: there is currently no one in opposition worth the time. One part of opposition wants socialistic bullshit - either Soviet-type with free gibmedats, or simply the SJW faggotry that's on the rise in the west; another part is retarded right-wingers who agree with my position only when it's about Kadyrov and chechens - they still want a strong imperialistic Russia.
All of Russia's opposition are statists. Exactly 'Дocтoeвщинa' - still waiting for help from someone else, not changing from within.
That's also why our country has always, ALWAYS fallen prey to criminals offering them either far-left or far-right 'protection'.
I've always been under the impression that it's caused by the fact that most Russians live without fathers. Half of the male populace are drunkars who don't make up for good fathers; other half sitting in gulags/jails. Therefore this need for a strong father-like protective figure.
>>56820059
Exactly. And I love that. I love the culture of Rakhmaninoff, Tsiolkovsky, Mendeleev; but I will never love the culture of tsarism/sovietism. Russian people always had insane potential in them, but all that energy has been used by various monsters in power to fuel their agendas.
>>56819944
>Russia at least acknowledges the scope of its issues and Putin claims to have a plan to diversify away from over reliance on the energy sector and grow exports again
Putin is a Jew who deceives his country.
Sure they'll show on the news and YouTube how they fight against degeneracy, and care about its citizens.
But the Suicide rate among teens? 3x higher than the world's average.
Drug/alcohol usage? Among the highest in the world.
Currency? Eating absolute fucking ass.
Shitskins destroying Moscow? Nope not a thing on the news about it.
And when some Russians have had enough and start skinhead gangs to try to free their country? Under the Putin government they're called vile, despicable nazi extremists, hurting innocent poor visitors to Russia.
>>56820059
I have some family back in russia, so when I went on vacation there I kinda had to look at them with a heavy heart. Like any racial person, I would like to help them, but I am not exactly rich here as well. To help them you would require money, finding somekind of niche in industry that they can be helped with exploiting. I wish I could but I have no idea what could work.
If I had a company of some sort that kind of thing would be better...
ban guns, pressure on business, state monopolies, tax increases, migrants from Central Asia, expensive real estate, restrictions on freedom of speech and right to vote
>>56817137
Stop treating them poorly is usually a good first step
>>56820286
>Russian people always had insane potential in them, but all that energy has been used by various monsters in power to fuel their agendas.
Yeah man. Really a fucking shame.
So many talented and dedicated Russians who either leave to either countries or are completely unappreciated.
>>56820334
>If I had a company of some sort that kind of thing would be better...
In Russia?
Good fucking luck having a legit business in Russia. Home to some of the most arbitrary and un-legit regulations and business practices known to the world.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
It seems that Russia's population is growing again based on native birth rate albeit slowly
Another reason to think Russia's fundamentals aren't bad
>>56820286
Tired of being zerg rushed with no apparent gain by the current overlorld and his bunch of cronies? Lel
>>56820685
the fundamentals aren't the problem, its the peripherals. Russia would be wise to see Chechnya to Azerbaijan and ban abortion
>>56820498
I dont think that really applies anon. Russia was making good progress before the sanctions. Whatever arbitrary laws that they have, the people still were better off while the economy was growing and trade was still unrestricted.
Its not impossible to ignore europe though, there still are plenty of chinese and other shitty countries that could buy your import I think.
>12 hour workday
>for minimum pay
That is what strikes as most bad. This is normal over there. People are being worked to the bone. I think that they require more development in agriculture so that their food prices at least drop a little bit. Its kinda shitty though because a lot of their land is not really good for agriculture. Its colder, less fertile lands. Thats why they are trying to make greenhouses like mad over there.
But I think that if the food prices were to drop a little bit, that the people could relax a bit more. It was a huge mistake to rely on other countries food so much.
>>56820685
It grows in Islamic regions.
>>56820136
Well, single-mothered families are prone to mental illnesses after all.
I agree with rest of your point. Down with statism, whichever side it's handed from, even if it's from inside.
>>56821040
>That is what strikes as most bad. This is normal over there. People are being worked to the bone.
It's probably why the highly-skilled/based Russians left to other countries.
Haven't the majority of Russian scientists/economists/philosophers etc lived for quite some time and then died in either Canada or the US?
i was looking at wikipedia pages of some Russian composers and nearly all were
>Died in North America
>>56820295
>some skinheads in russia
>being called a nazi in russia supposedly being a bad thing
>>56821994
Pretty much, yeah. Sad thing is, they would've kept doing what they want to do in Russia, if not for the explicit pressure from the above. Russia's government simply didn't *want* any able people to be here. It's like a... one huge ghetto. Or, as Solzhenitsyn called it, 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago'
Just another late-night bump in case there still might be people who will find the information in this thread useful.
I'd like to thank OP and everyone who participated in this thread for this discussion that reminds me of good /pol/ days before it became the shilling grounds for various parties. Feels good discussing stuff with people regardless of their views, no matter how different they might be, when those discussion aren't swarmed with literally every fallacy from the sticky pic.
>>56823668
>Feels good discussing stuff
How is it discusssing when you think that only your point of view is real and everyone else is a shill? You are against real discussion, mate, you only want to create circle-jerk of people who upvote each other and attack everyone who thinks differently with the same learned phrases.
You are not different from SJW shills who only want their opinion to exist and everything else is racist or sexist for them.
>>56823668
>>56822873
Good night Russiabro.
>>56824167
>How is it discusssing when you think that only your point of view is real and everyone else is a shill? You are against real discussion, mate, you only want to create circle-jerk of people who upvote each other and attack everyone who thinks differently with the same learned phrases.
The Russian shills are the ones posting "Savior of the white race" "Putin is the best" buzzwords and memes.
But when they get confronted with actual statistics they cleverly either sidestep the concerns or just entirely ignore them and bump other threads. It's very hard to argue actual measures of economic success and statistics. Much easier to just post le strawman meme pictures and buzzwords.
>>56824167
>bawww there's not enought shitflinging in this thread! h-hugbox, sjws am i right?
>bawww i have a shitty opinion i have to share with everyone but nobody takes me seriously! y-you can't discuss things like adults. s-sjws amirite guise?
Get fucked, you whiny piece of shit. If you play the narrative and then come here don't expect to be treated like a dissent.
>>56824286
You don't know what irony means? Do you think those people really believe that and are willing to go to Russia because of that belief?
Also those jokes are not linked to the Russian economy, noone here is saying that "Russian economy is booming", "Russia is going to outrun China in 10 years"," Russia is such a healthy country without drugs!". Not a single person.
So your economic statstics are not relevant for the discussion and when you bring them up, people think that you are slightly retarded and don't answer you.
>>56824682
Perfect example of "reasonable discussion" right here. If you disagree with this guy even slightest - he is going ad hominem instantly. No discussion allowed, only 1 point of view should exist - his point of view and if you don't share it, then he doesn't want to speak, because he can't in the discussion. Poor guy, maybe we should create a safe space for people like you. Oh, there is one -its called po/rasha on 2ch.
>>56825297
>You don't know what irony means? Do you think those people really believe that and are willing to go to Russia because of that belief?
I have personally heard it countless times IRL and I am sure people on here say it unironically as well. Unless it's all one big meme.
>So your economic statstics are not relevant for the discussion and when you bring them up, people think that you are slightly retarded and don't answer you.
The point is that even the Russian media and population is ignoring the statistics. They rather focus on how they shut down a gay pride parade or jailed some guy for having those girls twerking on stage or whatever.
Things keep getting worse and worse and no one is touching on it, just distracting people to focus on outside things to keep them distracted like good goyim.
>>56825685
>Unless it's all one big meme
wow, you making a progress in understanding imageboards. Congratulations.
>Things keep getting worse and worse and no one is touching on it, just distracting people to focus on outside things to keep them distracted like good goyim.
You can say that...pretty much about every country and population.
You know how dumb i would look if i'm going to adress evey american about USA debt with statisics, saying that they are distracted by minor things like rights of sex-deviants while the real problem is growing and ignored?
You look just as dumb.
>>56826333
>wow, you making a progress in understanding imageboards. Congratulations.
It's obviously not a meme if people keep posting it day in, day out. Also you missed the part where I heard it unironically numerous times IRL.
>You know how dumb i would look if i'm going to adress evey american about USA debt with statisics, saying that they are distracted by minor things like rights of sex-deviants while the real problem is growing and ignored?
Yeah but no one makes Pro-America threads all day long and gets paid for it.
>>56826674
> I heard it unironically numerous times IRL
Have you asked those people: do they give a fuck about Russian economy, or do they have a definite opinion on Russia based on some other quality?
>gets paid for it.
The only payment people get - is the butthurt of people like you. This is enough to create them on the regular basis to drive you crazy paranoia about omnipresent RIDF.
Also, you know why Russia has such bad economy? Its because all the money are spent on controlling the internet and paing 200 million of people for posting good things about Russia.
>>56827454
>The only payment people get - is the butthurt of people like you. This is enough to create them on the regular basis to drive you crazy paranoia about omnipresent
Not butthurt at all :^)
I live in a nice country while all you can do is shitpost pro-Russia memes because that's all you can afford with your ~20k rubles per month.
>>56827602
Have i posted a single pro-Russia meme? Thats the thing - everything needs to be personal when you lose your point. Counting my money for example. Making a lot of assumptions about pro-Russian conspiracy and the absence of pro-american paid shills. Maybe you are the one. I don't think you genuine.
Do you think that this helps discussion?
>>56817277
a guy I know sold him a racehorse lol.
>>56817137
>canakek talking about fixing something
Go suck a dick of your indian master and don't forget to fight against Gamergate you lord of the keks
>>56828561
>Go suck a dick of your indian master and don't forget to fight against
Our minimum wage workers earn your average monthly salary in a week, Ivan. :^)
You have more Muslims in Moscow than we do... So that's kind of a null point.
Nice inflation and GDP btw, keep playing world of tanks to distract yourself lmao
>>56828722
Everything you listed doesn't make you less of a kek. It just distracts your attention to focus on outside things to keep you distracted like good goyim.
>>56828948
>Everything you listed doesn't make you less of a kek. It just distracts your attention to focus on outside things to keep you distracted like good goyim.
I'll take having gay parades once a year and some faggots over having the highest amount of HIV-positive people, a shit economy, and several times higher suicide rates.
>>56828722
>You have more Muslims in Moscow than we do...
Because your homofag PM didn't start his campaign by turning Canada into Sweden 2.0
>Nice inflation and GDP btw
Nice gender parity in minister cabinet
I'll laugh my ass off when your economics will drop to level of Poland in 1942
>>56829073
>Because your homofag PM didn't start his campaign by turning Canada into Sweden 2.0
Better than Russia currently.
Nice currency bro, is $1000 Canadian dollars equal to a million in Rubles yet?
>>56829073
>Nice gender parity in minister cabinet
>I'll laugh my ass off when your economics will drop to level of Poland in 1942
Too bad it'll never drop to the level of Russian economy :^)
How's your job going? Work 60 hours to make $100 this week? Or are you just a neet
>>56829073
Don't spoiler his future for him)
But i doubt this is a real Canadian, maybe he is one of those who likes the phrase:
>Che tam u moskaley?
>>56829276
>Better than Russia currently
>even more of a meme than Trump
>dude weed lmao
>proud feminist
>wants Canada to take in refugees
>wants to fight Gamergate
I hope your hockey team already prepared to play on heels lel
>Too bad it'll never drop to the level of Russian economy
Even if your economics will not drop, your country will become a total shithole because you should never have womens in government
Germany is perfect example of that
>>56829807
>Even if your economics will not drop, your country will become a total shithole because you should never have womens in government
>Germany is perfect example of that
I know, and I don't give a shit because I'm finishing my degree/saving money then getting the fuck out of here.
I hate both countries equally :^)
>>56830117
>I'm finishing my degree/saving money then getting
Bombed
>>56830379
Lol ok.
Keep imagining things that will never happen :^)
>B-but I read on /pol/ that we're on the brink of WW3!
>>56830520
>implying you need WW3 to get bombed in a country that wants to take tons of muslims
>>56830754
>>implying you need WW3 to get bombed in a country that wants to take tons of muslims
But you have a much higher Muslim population than us, especially in Moscow. Seems a lot like the pot calling the kettle a shitskin.
>>56830809
>canakek doesn't understand difference between few millions muslims who lived in Russia for more than 20 years and 900 "refugees" from who knows where coming in your country everyday
Also let's not forget about your defence minister who is a fucking Sikh
>>56817137
>Rubles
exchange rates mean literally nothing you fucking faggot. take the yen for example.
>>56817137
Just google "15 years of Putin"
>>56820286
dont forget this guy
>In 2012, the rate of teenage suicides in Russia was three times higher than the world average
>Russia has second worst suicide rate in the world
completely understandable tbqh lad
>>56831145
>Also let's not forget about your defence minister who is a fucking Sikh
How many times have there been terrorists attacks in Russia? - Several in subways, that one school that got taken over by Muslims or something, etc.
And how many times has there been Terrorist attacks in Canada? - *cricket sounds*
I rest my case.
>>56831865
>completely understandable tbqh lad
If I was a teenager forced to live there I would probably too tbqh
>>56817137
>fix
>Russia
Nuke it until nothing lives
Then do with it what the Portuguese could not do with Brazil
>>56820286
What do you think makes the Russian people have their potential limited by those regimes? Is there any specific cultural trait that allows for that?
>>56817137
>how do we fix the county that literally shamed the USA into creating a decent space programme
you don't.
Russia is a great example of why capitalism and debt based economy growth are not indicators of what a community can achieve.
>>56832903
>Russia is a great example of why capitalism and debt based economy growth are not indicators of what a community can achieve
lmao
>>56830117
>I know, and I don't give a shit because I'm finishing my degree/saving money then getting the fuck out of here.
where are you going to? the eternal jew alredy infected every single country on the planet, its like they are bacteria no place without them
>>56833633
>where are you going to?
Wherever pays most. I'll just start applying to companies in other countries and hopefully one in a good place wants me and offers a high salary.
