>Expecting Muslims who live in the West to apologise for what happened in France
>1000 miles away
So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
Will you also expect me to apologise for the Boston Massacre, as I'm English? Or the Burning of Washington?
Fuck no.
And that's perfectly alright.
So, likewise, I don't expect Muslims to have to apologise.
You should hold others to the same standards that you hold yourself and expect others to hold you to.
It's done in their religion for the greater good of the Ummah. It's literally done for their sake, shouldn't they go out and say they don't want it?
>>56812314
We don't want muslims to apologize we want them to leave the West forever.
>>56812605
1. It's not done for their sake, because they aren't 'Muslim enough' or of the wrong denomination. They'll most likely get killed too.
2. Plus the fact is most of them are the descendants of others who left areas with that level of violence and those values that support it because they don't support those values themselves. That much is obvious.
But not all, which is also obvious.
3. Why should they have to say they don't want it? The fact that they stand to be killed in explosions like the rest of us (see above) should make that obvious enough.
4. So they should certainly go out and say they don't want it if they feel that's the right thing to do. Or try and reason with the fanatics amongst their local congregations if it's practical - meaning, if they have any - as they're in a special position where they're more likely to be listened to than us.
I support that.
It's about looking out for your neighbours.
Keeping them on the straight and narrow.
But they shouldn't be expected like it's a DUTY of theirs.
>>56812683
Well, that's only taking the stance to another level or direction.
That then changes the question, doesn't it?
Think about it!
Doesn't then make the question:
s
hould Americans be required to leave the Black Hills and all the other lands owned by the Native nations?
Should English people be made to leave Boston? Or Washington? Etc. etc.?
Regardless of however you look at Muslims, or whatever you say about Muslims, we can ask if that statement should apply to other groups including our own.
Obviously, the answer is going to be no.
It's just common sense.
>>56812314
I like the fact that both the Canucks and the Brits claim responsibility for the burning of Washington.
>>56813982
That always struck me as a bit odd too. It doesn't surprise me that so many people hate Americans, because people can be quite hateful and it's popular to hate things.
But it never made *sense* to me.
Fine just don't expect me to trust or like you either.
>>56813439
>>56813806
kebab what are you trying to do? go do your takbir and stop shilling, nobody will fall for it.
>>56813439
>1. It's not done for their sake, because they aren't 'Muslim enough' or of the wrong denomination. They'll most likely get killed too.
Allah is the most merciful, or have you forgotten? :^)
>most of them are the descendants of others who left areas with that level of violence
Then why is it always the 2nd/3rd generation who becomes Jihadist? All 3 terrorist attacks in Paris and CPH this year, has been done by homegrown extremeist, except for one.
Unlike every other people who move to another country, Muslims don't assimilate, they become even more distant from their host country, and we all know it's because of Islam.
>3. Why should they have to say they don't want it? The fact that they stand to be killed in explosions like the rest of us (see above) should make that obvious enough.
http://ewn.co.za/2015/11/20/MALI-Gunmen-free-some-hostages-who-recited-Quran
Take a look at the places Islamist have attacked Europe, it's at concerts and freedom of expression debates, not anywhere near a Muslim would go.
>they shouldn't be expected like it's a DUTY of theirs.
It's not, I just wonder why they don't since it takes their(yours?) religion as hostage.
Related.
>>56808383
>>56814477
>Allah is the most merciful....
Again, this is the view of the ISIS lunatics.
>Then why is it always...
Because you will get some exceptions. I did say this, and the fact that so very few people are caught in this sort of thing implies so. Most of them, too, are impulsive young men like us, and their parents know - or claim to know - better.
Remember when those girls ran off to Syria to become ISIS brides? There was a big boohoo from their mothers over that. Pic related is how I feel.
This also implies (though I don't agree with this myself) that the Muslims coming over now are not a potential source of terrorists (even in a tiny minority).
>Why should they have to say...
That was a PR exercise. There are actually bound to be plenty of Muslims at concerts (well, in percentage terms of Muslims in the local area, but that's what matters here) and there were obviously a few at the event in question.
And over here they are constantly at free speech debates, often on the side of censorship of blasphemy, sometimes not.
Granted, that's still ridiculous, but wanting someone fined for mocking the Quran is hardlne on a level with Mary Whitehouse and her blasphemy law activism.
>It's not, I just wonder why....
Well, that's what it sounds like. And I'm not too sure why they don't. Why don't non-Muslims? If I had a chance to try and reason with imbecllic fucks like Anjem Choudhary and mock them a little here and there I would certainly take it.
Maybe they can't be bothered. Maybe they're deliberately refusing to do it when the thought crosses their mind, because they know (or believe) that's what some people expect of them and like being defiant.
That's human nature.
But you can only speculate.
There was one time a Mosque leader called on as many as possible to pray / protest against a terrorist group's statements but got annoyed at David Cameron's letter asking Muslims to help.
Maybe he felt there was an expectation born out of mistrust of Muslims.
>>56812314
Americans apologise for it every day. Shitskins will apologise for Islam, aka Brown Nazism for the rest of their lives.
tfw you hear about 20 rds being shot off somewhere in your neighborhood and don't care or get upset because you live in Maine.
Cant wait for the shit to start zi'm ready.
>>56812314
>You should hold others to the same standards that you hold yourself and expect others to hold you to.
We do.
That's why we fight them, and by extension, you. Because you insist that it's racist to hold them to any standard, especially the ones privileged whites hold themselves to.
>>56812314
>>Expecting Muslims who live in the West to apologise for what happened in France
literally no one is asking muslims to apologise, the closest it comes is some in the media seeking out spokespeople to denounce the violence to fit the liberal narrative. If muslims are moaning about having to meet media half way on this then they should stop playing the game and gtfo
>>56816398
That last sentence is something I never implied. Point out where I said that. Go on.
I sometimes wonder if a lack of respect for someone of a particular ethnicity (or religion) comes from a lack of self-respect based around one's own ethnicity or religion),
>>56816482
Muslims should gtfo period.
The problem I saw was the immediate selfishness of the Muslim community. Their very first reaction was to make THEMSELVES the victims because of future attacks on their religion because of the backlash of the attacks.
The blood hadn't even dried and they had already constructed a plot to make this an islamaphobia thing.
>>56812314
No one is asking them to apologize but literally not even an hour after the attacks the first thing on all of their social media accounts was "not all Muslims"
Do they just not understand how tasteless that is and only makes people think they're guilty?
>>56812314
They don't have to apologize for anything. We just want them to fuck off to their own countries.
>>56816482
They should do it, but if they don't it shouldn't be seen as a lack of duty fulfilled by every Muslim and as a result they all get shat on, etc. and then stereotyped and then...
Well, you see how stereotypes form from that.
And with that the expectation.
If it's practical, if they're a Muslim community leader, a well known Muslim, or a member of the mosque the terrorist comes from or a relative, and they had an idea it was going on, then yes, okay.
See pic related.
Hell if you live in that community, Muslim or not, you should try anyway.
They are your neighbours.
*piano twinkle*
>>56812314
>So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
People do that all the time. It's like the entire basis of the Democrat's immigration platform.
>Will you also expect me to apologise for the Boston Massacre, as I'm English?
Actually yes.
>>56817706
But the fact they're doing this clearly shows that either they think they're expected, or they're trying to distance themselves because they feel that they could be the result of reprisal attacks, or both of those things.
Maybe they are wrong this time. But it's happened before, so of course they're going to do that.
Some people must've expected some Muslims to apologise, somewhere, sometime, to give other Muslims the belief that they should, where they are, now.
Also, though it is tasteless, it's not a deliberate construction of some sinister intent.
>>56817780
See here.
>>56813806
>>56814338
Actual debating points would be nice.
>>56818132
Let me rephrase: would *you* be happy if you were demanded to apologise for the Native bullying, and then hated for refusing?
Also, that comment made me lol.
>>56818183
No they're doing it because they think their discomfort is more important than the attacks
For fucks sake they're doing it on social media the most self absorbed creation ever
They literally act just like niggers not to mention they have no place in the western world but of course Islam is the religion of Peace
>>56812314
Indians dont pay taxes, make money off casinos tax free, pay no taxes at all. That's more than an apology.
Muslims aren't expected to say sorry, they're subhuman.
Why do all these arguements boil down to "well you white people did bad things a 100 years ago that means it's okay now"?
Like what kind of reasoning is that?
>>56812314
no we dont expect all muslims to apologize for the actions in paris thats what liberals do to white people about american slavery. we want them to condemn the attacks instead of defending the attackers religion. all the bullshit you wrote liberals just came up will. its a strawman. now you are on 4chan making yourself look like an idiot.
>>56818828
The whole point is that we don't want to apologise for this or that, and that is perfectly fine and rational, because it wasn't *our* fault.
Same principle applies to Muslims living o nthe other side of the planet to Muslim atrocities.
It never was nor will be okay, whatever 'it' you are referring to.
>>56819793
But shouldn't it go without saying that most muslims are against it? Most *people* generally are, regardless of what group they're in.
And who said they were defending the attackers religion?
Likewise, shouldn't it be kind of obvious that most white people condemn slavery?
>>56820093
http://shoebat.com/2015/07/08/polls-show-as-many-as-1-5-million-uk-muslims-out-of-approx-3-million-are-islamic-state-isis-supporters/
it goes without saying that you dont know what most muslims are for or against. but fortunately there is research into this.
>>56812314
>So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
Haven't Americans been forced to apologize for that constantly since the 1960s?
>>56821756
Please check your sources. That is a sensationalist site that screams about murder of Christians, etc. It is obvious.
Also, you missed this in the article you linked.
http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/chart.jpg
>>56823590
how about you show me how they are wrong instead of just telling me i think they scream about murder and thus are wrong about a muslim poll
>>56812314
>>Expecting Jews who live in the West to apologise for what happened in Gaza
>>1000 miles away
; ^ )
>>56823939
Because of the fact that it has all the obvious hallmarks of fearing anything outside of Christendom like a lot of these other sites.
Also have you read that chart yet? How did you even miss that or ignore it?
>>56824729
>the poll is of all british people not just a poll of muslims.
>>56825711
THE ASSUMPTION here is that all of those 1.5m are Muslims. It is not accounting for the 'progressives' or the political revolutionary components.
>Inb4 why wouldn't they be Muslims.
Assuming that polls like this are even reliable.
>>56827655
no i agree retarded progressives side with and defend isis not just muslims. i know muslims arent the only ones supporting isis.
>>56812314
>So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
The government has, formally. And the PC crowd is all about pushing an eternal blood guilt for that onto every white person, so yes, this is the flip side of that coin.
>Will you also expect me to apologise for the Boston Massacre, as I'm English? Or the Burning of Washington?
You should, savage.
>>56812314
>Boston Massacre, as I'm English
> Or the Burning of Washington?
You Limey git.
FUCKING REPARATIONS. GIBS ME DEM REPARATIONS, YOU MURDERING TWAT.
>>56812314
>So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
From what I remember, they sold their own land for booze and shiny beeds.
>>56812314
>So will Americans now be expected to apologise to the Natives for pushing them all onto reserves?
They already are. Welcome to America.
