Rand Paul vs Donald Trump, who're you voting for /pol/?
Curious to see how preferences have shifted, since Rand Paul was basically the messiah of 4chan circa 2012.
Why would anyone support Trump over Rand? Please explain.
>>56782010
Trump got a shot.
>>56781909
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TakxOKwVJDM
Trump walked all over him.
Ron Paul was the Messiah, Rand doesn't quite fit the bill
I like rand but he aint got a chance in hell
I'd rather have Cruz than Trump, but I'll vote for any of 'em to keeper bernie kekders or hildog out
>>56781909
Randlet can't debate worth a shit
Ron Paul, suckered all his followers out of millions and then QUIT, keeping the millions of course. rand, trying the same thing. Donald trump? funding his own ass and expecting nothing from us.
Rand is literally <1% in the polls. I'm not sure why he hasn't just dropped out yet.
>>56782010
Seen a fair bit of Trump support around here, just curious. More of a Ron man myself, but I'm not 'Murican, so my opinion is worth about as much as my dollar.
>>56782315
>suckered all his followers out of millions and then QUIT, keeping the millions of course.
I never really thought where all that money went until now. Looks like the Rands are just in it for some easy money.
>>56782344
the pride hit of dropping out before Donald Trump like Jindal and Walker
>>56781909
>Rand Paul was basically the messiah of 4chan circa 2012
>not Ron Paul
also
>wasting you vote one someone who is that low in any poll
>basically giving the presidency to Shillary
>>56781909
Rand forever disqualified himself from ever receiving a vote from me when he supported Mitch McConnell for reelection.
>>56782398
If he values his pride, he should drop out before he's stuck in the kiddie table next debate. Now that would be embarrassing.
>>56781909
>who're you voting for /pol/?
Implying either of them will get a nomination.
Generals will probably be Carson vs Sanders.
>>56782550
>Implying Sanders will win the nomination.
If Bernie motherfucking Sanders wins the nomination I will be obliged to get a U.S citizenship explicitly to vote against him. Don't want regional security to get fucked up the ass by his pacifistic bullshit. The filthy hippy doesn't realise the 70s are over.
>>56782550
> Sanders
Sanders is not getting the nomination. Hillary already has 50% (359) of the superdelegates (delegates who can vote for anyone) pledged support while Bernie has 8. He will not be able to secure enough delegates unless he scores a landslide on Hillary and Clinton has maintained a large double digit lead the entire race thus far.
>>56782066
Trumps a faggot with no concept of how to run a country who takes personal jabs instead of debating actual policy.
Trump is a faggot
Stand with Rand
>>56781909
Both are shit. Everyone in that race is complete shit. Rand Paul is not a libertarian, he just pretends to be. Donald Trump is an entertaining crazy person who supports the surveillance state. Sanders is preferable but he has keked himself so much over the past year that i don't want him to win either and Shillary is the worst candidate I can imagine. Everyone in the race is fucking garbage.
>>56782698
>>56782700
Hilary can only win against Trump in generals.
If anyone else wins the rep nomination the dems will end up voting Sanders or they will lose the generals.
And the chances of Trump getting the rep nomination are quite low.
>>56782752
Think again.
VERMIN SUPREME 2016
>>56782855
Free ponies > Free healthcare
>>56781909
Odds! According to them it will be Rubio, and he will face Clinton in the "head" election
>>56782932
Forgot pic
>>56781909
Rand Paul is the anti-christ so he will make it into office like it or not fags. Might as well vote for him
>>56782809
I'm voting Trump, so are trillions of others sooooo
RON Paul > Trump >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Randlet Paulstein
>>56782918
It also won't result in a $45 trillion deficit, the total annihilation of the American economy, and BLM seizing control of the nation and gang raping any and all white Americans.
>>56782987
> sooooo
So what?
You dont decide who gets the nomination. You choose the representatives which in the end dont give a fuck what you think and will end up voting whoever candidate has the most chances of beating the most likely candidate from the opposition.
>>56782809
>If anyone else wins the rep nomination the dems will end up voting Sanders or they will lose the generals.
The RNC is July 18-21 and DNC is July 25-28. Hillary will have already secured enough delegates to pass the threshold well before these dates so your scenario will not factor out quick enough for voters.
If you think I am wrong feel free to place a bet for Sanders because he is an underdog by a significant margin.
>>56782987
There are only a few billion people alive..
>>56782066
That's juvenile bullshit.
When it comes around to substance, Rand stumps Trump
youtube.com/watch?v=E5JyDEvSC40
Paul would kill Trump in a 1v1 debate because they would actually have to elaborate their positions beyond le epic zingers
Trump.
Rand is a low energy failure.
>>56783199
>That's juvenile bullshit.
welcome to the american electorate
nobody gives a shit if rand said some smart boring policy things when the Donald bitch slaps him with a soundbite that will float around social media more than a substantive debate on the merits of legislative fiscal policy
5'8
>>56782932
Like 2 months ago Trump was behind Jeb Bush and Carson in odds. He's been skyrocketing in odds on these betting sites.
>>56783264
Brace yourselves, Great Wall of Trump incoming.
>>56783199
why is there a british person on the panel? As an it is an American presidency debate I would rather have someone ask questions who was actually American
>>56781909
Well everyone else who isn't rand or carson or cruz solely remains in the race to attack trump and pave the way for yeb.
Carson kinda lost steam huh?
Before trump it would have been an uphill battle for Rand and Cruz to unseat yeb, now hopefully they can counter attack yeb
I used to support Rand, but then he stopped standing up for what was right and didn't stick to the issues. He hopped on the crazy train and his campaign never recovered.
>>56783199
>This clip again
Randlet we have been over this shit
>>56783199
Trump is on a campaign
and he has a point, he sounds perfectly reasonable and I'd rather have someone tell that to me
>take jobs back from china
than a memeconomist spout muh GDP when it hasn't had relevance since the Havana conferences failed
>>56783199
This
>>56783416
If you think that is feasible you are autistic
>>56783570
>le randlet
>le make America great
>le jokes during debate
Why can't fucking trump fags admit that trump has absolutely no substance to anything he says and is the least prepared of all the candidates.
If he didn't make jokes on stage and spew bullshit he would have been forgotten already
>>56783779
Trump seriously knows nothing, everyone on this board who supports the Trump is pretty much just trolling. He has not elaborated on a policy position a single fucking time in detail.
>>56783779
He's the anti-establishment candidate. People are angry, and they see he's angry, and they're drawn to that. The establishment condemning him only increases his appeal, because a lot of people hate everything it stands for. That, and he's not rehearsed or prepared and he seems to be genuine. Like an actual leader.
>>56783909
>Trump seriously knows nothing
>he literally build a billions dollar empire
keep shilling with your only establishment politicians should be president shit, I hope you break your neck watching whoever you support plummet
>>56783909
I was recently pondering whether /pol/acks were genuine or all just trolling, and then an epiphany hit me. It doesn't matter, it's fucking hilarious either way.
Stay white /pol/
>>56783909
he will build a wall, it will be large, it will be luxurious, there will be a big beautiful door on it and Mexico is gonna pay for everything. Trump has done billions in real estate deals, wrote the Art of the Deal and knows how to close on real estate deals. China is going to be dealt with, Russia will respect us and he will make America great again.
>>56784022
A billion dollar isn't successful because of the knowledge of its glorious leader, it is successful because he knows the right people to pay to manage it. He has spent most of his time just fucking off on TV shows and generally being a celeb. Nobody has enough time to manage a billion dollar empire AND be a full time celeb.
>>56783909
Someone clearly hasn't been to his website.
We aren't here to have a civil debate, and do it for free just to simply appease some dumb fuck Rand nigger that's ass mad.
Go educate yourself shortstack.
>>56784035
Says the shitposter.
GET IN HERE FAGGOTS! >>56780431
TRUMP IS MAKING CHRISTMAS GREAT AGAIN!!!
#TRUMPSANTA #MAKESCHRISTMASGREATAGAIN
>>56784173
>it is successful because he knows the right people to pay to manage it
how the fuck do you think a government works ?
>>56784230
>muh website
If you can't elaborate on your policy positions while speaking IN A DEBATE ABOUT POLICY, then you know absolutely nothing. It is fairly simple to PAY SOMEONE to build and fill out your policies online.
>>56784333
here is what i think of your position policies
>>56781909
Neither. I'm voting for Jeb.
>>56784327
>I wouldn't expect you to know France.
It's like this.
>Am politician
>have idea for policy
>draft policy idea
>propose it
>debate it
>have 1000x riders attached to garner political favors
>get program gutted by opposing political party
>passes, then fails miserably.
That's how it fucking works shitlord.
>>56784271
It's in my nature, bird fly, fish swim, and Australians shitpost.
>>56784473
No that's not, what you describe is technocracy which is synonymous to oligarchy.
>>56784548
>US studies confirm we oligarchy now.
BTFO
>>56782351
Everyone is Ron over Rand, it's just that it's not really an option now. Rand is running, Ron isn't. The question is him or Trump.
>>56784543
>Americans are the best shitposters.
We invited this shit, doesn't Australia have internet speech codes?
>>56784574
>the founding fathers
>paving the way for oligarchy
pick one you America hating, constitution burning liberal.
When it comes to American politics the only people who are right are those who defend a smaller federal state and those who defend more professionalism at government level.
>>56782047
>that NY Yankee fan mentality
>>56784660
Nan beats the shit out of us if we hurt anyone's feelings, since she's watching us all the time. And yanks are far too serious about it all.
Trump & Cruz 2016 here.
One has the brains (Cruz) and the other has the will (Trump). It's the perfect combo in my opinion. In b4 Cruz is dumb or Donald is incompetent.
Look at Cruz's resume.
>Graduated from Princeton
>Graduated from Harvard Law School (magna cum laude)
>Primary editor of the Harvard Law Review
>Executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy
>John M. Olin Fellow in Law and Economics
>Former director of Office of Policy Planning at the FTC
>Former adjunct professor of Law at the University of Texas
>Former associate deputy attorney general at the US DOJ
And Trump's success in private industry is self evident.
>>56784676
No, I am actually for a small government. I love the constitution and believe in states rights. I loathe the growth of the fed. That doesn't stop me from ignoring political realities though. The reality is we live in an oligarchy.
>>56784783
And you should strive to fix it.
The only two people who fit are Trump and Carson.
Carson is a nigger and batshit insane, Trump is a realist white business owner and builder
.
>>56784746
>>56784746
imagine them in bed together though and the dream dies
>>56784312
>implying trump wont get stabbed by an inner city niglet
>>56783063
Just stop. You don't know what you're talking about.
I'm voting for Bern but Rand and Trump would be my 2nd and 3rd choices before Hillary.
>>56784988
nice b8
>>56784988
so you'll vote for two losers before a self made billionaire strategically minded genius winner.
>>56785068
>Self made???
>inherited daddys money
>barely beat the S&P 500
>>56785068
Oh, and in 1990 Trump would have gone bankrupt if he didn't get bailed out by the government. In fact, if you go back to the 1930s, Fred Trump made the vast majority of his fortune off of the back of the taxpayer.
>>56785262
inherited millions, turned it into billions. don't pull the retard card I've got the trump card
>>56784230
You're wrong tho he does t know shit
>>56784333
This guy is correct. Trump doesn't know shit. Referring people to his website is lame as fuck, the guy doesn't know shit
RAND IS THE ONLY OPTION
VOTE FOR RAND
VOTE LIBERTY
>>56785458
the government doesn't just bail people out, if it did, we wouldn't have poverty, debt, student loans. nice b8, I guess I was hooked
>>56784988
Autism the post
Literally three different politicians on three different sides of the political spectrum
>>56785535
And I don't agree 100% with any of them. I agree with all of them on different things though.
>>56784333
You're a lazy uneducated nigger that can't be assed to google a website and read up on a politician. The simple fact you're unwilling to do so means you're mind is already made up, you're already bent and determined towards hating so why would I bother holding a real debate with you?
You're actually saying first I must cut and paste his stances, than I have to come back here, so you can proceed to ignore it, with only half the content and prance around like a dumb fuck shouting 'I win'.
Yeah, nah.
Here's a wall of text with the words FUCK YOU at the end.
p.s. Rands poll numbers are smaller than his height, and shorter than his dick, but they are all still double your IQ.
FUCK YOU.
>>56785262
You look kike a retard when you try to repost this fact that has be proven over and over again. Why arentry you a billionaire? Oh is it because youd rather berate someone online based on the fact thier white and is not afraid to tell you that your socialist views don't work and have never worked.
>>56785589
"At first I was like I wanna tell people how much money they can keep, then I was like I wanna make a registry of the because they're a certain religion but then I was like I love Liberty and individual freedoms and a an unrestrained free market economy."-you
How can you be so bipolar
>>56785460
>nigger do you even know what compound interest is?
>>56785648
I bet you trump couldn't tell you what's on his website faggot
Rand for Liberty 2016
>>56785527
>Trump eventually found himself in serious financial trouble. In 1990, due to excessive leveraging, The Trump Organization revealed that it was $5 billion in debt ($8.8 billion by some estimates), with $1 billion personally guaranteed by Trump himself. The survival of the company was made possible only by a bailout pact agreed upon in August of that same year by some 70 banks, allowing Trump to defer on nearly $1 billion in debt, as well as to take out second and third mortgages on almost all of his properties. If it were not for the collective effort of all banks and parties involved in that 1990 deal, Trump’s business would have gone bankrupt and failed.
>>56785722
>What kinda credit rating you want senpai?
>>56781909
Doesn't really matter who you agree with when one of them is leading in polls by like 1000% over the other
>>56785757
Omfg if I type in f a m it changes it to senpai
How did pol become so fucking gay
>>56785656
>Bernie
I like taxing the shit out of rich people
>Randy Man
I like guns, unregulated industry
>Trump
Build the wall
You do know you don't have to pick one candidate and mold all of your beliefs to fit theirs don't you anon?
>>56785648
How presumptuous of you to assume that I didn't check out the website long before shitposting on /pol/ about Trump. I probably know more about it than you do.
> You're having a hard time tonight.
>>56785797
Family and t-b-h have been changed to that weeb shit on almost the whole website.
It infuriates me.
>>56781909
Trump all the way Rand is a kek.
>>56783909
>never elaborated on positions
>website elaborated on positions
ffs m8
>>56785839
But they're on opposite sides saying you support BOTH is like saying you are Jewish and Muslim
It doesn't work
Bernie Hillary trump are statist
The only difference is that Bernie and Hillary are fiscally statist and socially liberal while trump is socially statist and fiscally liberal. They're opposites but both statist
Rand is both socially and fiscally liberal which is why both parties take shots at him and republicans and democrats both dislike him
I swear it's like the whole country has Stockholm syndrome and doesn't want more freedom
>>56785907
>weeb shit
welcome to 4chan
>>56785876
Glad you checked, I see you've less bark in your bite all off a sudden.
I guess you're close to shutting the fuck up now that you've been proven wrong.
>>56785695
trump elaborates at his rallies mate
>>56785957
Trump couldn't tell you what his positions are because he's under qualified and just spews keks for the audience and people eat that shit up
If you want a comedian as president vote trump
If you want a champion of civil social and economic prosperity vote Rand Paul
Rand
> Keks for blacks and black lives matter
> Keks for illegal spics (not too bad though I guess)
> Keks for shitskinned Muslims and their "rights"
> Complains that the GOP is too white
> Puppet for special interests
> Financial policy is focused domestically, which is irrelevant in a globalized economy.
> Represents liberal-tarians who are basically keks who are afraid of being conservative and offending people
Trump
> Keks for no one
> Is controlled by no one
> Offended? Deal with it, kek.
> Kick out the spics, build the wall
> Rough up black lives matter terrorists
> Fuck the Muslims
> Financial policy is focused on globalization, like it should be.
The answer is pretty clear.
A manlet will NEVER be crusader king.
>>56786020
But he can't elaborate shit during debates because he's not reading off fucking index cards
>>56785957
>Trump himself never elaborated on his positions
>meme tier candidate.
Lol, I wonder what would happen if someone actually slammed him about some shit on his website. He probably would mumble about
>CHINAAAAAAAAA
>BUILD.WALL.
>>56785907
>not being able to get around filters like a c͏͏u͏͏c͏͏k
s͏͏m͏͏͏h t͏͏͏b͏͏h f͏͏a͏͏͏m
My heart votes for Paul, but I know that Rand has no chance of getting the nomination or win the presidency, so I'll most likely be voting for Trump.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan
Just incase anyone else is wondering here are the FACTS.
Even the best people in economics agree this plan is fucking amazing.
I utterly destroys Rand "I'll do nothing mans" entire existence.
>TL:DR anon :(
>Donald Trump’s tax plan would enact a number of tax reforms that would both lower marginal tax rates on workers and significantly reduce the cost of capital. These changes in the incentives to work and invest would greatly increase the U.S. economy’s size in the long run, leading to higher incomes for taxpayers at all income levels. The plan would also be a large tax cut, which would increase the federal government’s deficit by over $10 trillion, both on a static and dynamic basis.
Trumps plans are there, in paper. Clear is day.
Only the people against him refuse to see it.
>>56786104
That's all he does
>mr trump explain how your stance on x is better than x
>hurr build a wall Muslims spics make America great
>mr trump you didn't answer the question
>hurr durr did I mention I make millions of money's
>>56785982
Why can't I support both in case either of them doesn't win their primary?
If the election is Bernie vs Rubio I'd vote for Bernie. Its it's Hillary vs Randy man I'd vote for Randy man. Bernie vs Randy man I'd probably vote for Bernie.
>>56786166
>>56786166
>>56786166
>>56786166
>>56786166
RAND FAGGOTS ON SUICIDE WATCH.
Asking a man to elaborate on something so lengthy during a 30 second window on a debate stage with 12 other dudes is fucking asinine.
>>56781909
That was before Rand made it clear that he was closer to the neocons than his father.
>>56786006
Proven wrong about what exactly? So far I've been proving myself nothing but right and you've been getting ass blasted.
>>56786308
>literally get a fist full of facts shoved down your throat
>b-b-but you're ass blasted.
>>56781909
Rand Paul
I'm waiting to see who the winning horse will be
But as it stands, Rand is doing terribly in the polls, I don't contribute to any candidate so I can't complain I guess. There was only like a 10% different between Rand and Trump when I did a sidewithme thing
Obviously I'd prefer Randy but what can you do, you have to be more popular to win the Presidency.
>>56786182
If you have ever taken a political media course, you would understand that he's doing the right thing. The media are asking him questions to get soundbites and direct the dialogue towards some irrelevant policy. All of the best consultants say you should ignore the questions and just stay on point.
Rand was the messiah when he was Ron Paul 2.0.
Then he remember Ron Paul 1.0 never went anywhere, sold out to the establishment and now nobody likes him.
CNBC
If Donald Trump were the GOP nominee, he would cause the highest voter turnout, relative to any other Republican hopeful.John Kasich, on the other hand, would keep people at home.
No matter what party affiliation you consider, Trump brings them out. Republicans, Democrats and independents are all most likely to show up if Trump is on the ballot. (In our analysis, we assumed a constant variable: the Democrats nominating Hillary Clinton.)
Not only do they show up to vote, but they vote for Trump. He's got the highest percentage of voters — across both parties and independents.
The other candidates cause more of a snooze response from the public. Among the Republicans surveyed, Kasich caused the lowest voter turnout. But Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Carly Fiorina all saw lower voter turnouts compared with Trump.
>>56786412
>tfw Rand Paul remembered he is Jewish and can just take advantage of the goyim
>>56786341
Oh gee, don't I wonder how the government will operate with 1/3 of its annual revenue going to tax cuts.
>>56786664
It would operate just fine, how fucking dense are you?
You we piss away money on the dumbest shit ever, even Rand himself would agree our government is bloated, wasteful and STUPID.
Get real.
Fuck you.
Fuck this thread.
Go back to LORD EMPEROR DONALD - FUTURE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES website, and educated yourself next time.
I would drink your tears, but I won't take on a kneeling position for someone as low as you.
>>56781909
Rand Paul turned out to be a huge disappointment. I, like many others, wanted him to be Ron Paul 2.0. Instead we got C.uckservative Lite. We got so much more America First patriotism from Trump than we ever dared hope for from Paul that Paul is now just a distant memory. Trump is even talking about auditing the Fed. What more could we want?
>dumb little MUH FREEDAMS manlet VS the literal next hitler
Hardly a question, fuck off lolbertardian manchildren, your meme ended with Ron Paul. We need a God Emperor
>>56786790
Wonderful rebuttal sir, I say, you certainly did counter my point. I am disarmed and without words.
>u mad?
>>56787106
Literally voting for a bankrupt retard
