Some of you seem to think that libertarianism is some kind of centrism. The truth is that libertarians simply reject the false left/right dichotomy, and tend to be more extreme than either "conservatives" or "liberals". It's not a matter of being left or right, but advocating more freedom (libertarianism) or less freedom (authoritarianism; both the traditional left and right). Some have also said that libertarianism is "a step closer to being redpilled", which is untrue, because it IS the ultimate red pill.
I'm sure a lot of you already know these things, but just wanted to remove some apparent confusion.
libertarianism is jewish greed in it's purest form condensed into an ideology
greed is not good. sorry goy
>>55326032
>Libertarians: Tools of the Jew
Yes, please remove all government oversight and regulation. We promise the "free market" will prevail, goyim!
>>55326102
>>55326194
how's life in middle school?
>>55326102
>>55326194
Never realized "blame the jews" was actually communist propaganda.
>>55326241
nice rebuttal
>>55326032
It's not centrism because it doesn't fit that well on a Left-Right axis. It's more of a feature of an ideology rather than ideology in and of itself. That is, of course, until you move onto the Libertarian Right. The views there seem to be fairly consistent enough as an offshoot as liberalism for it to be classified as a potential ideology. The Libertarian Left is more of a categorisation of a whole bundle of views, including views ranging from anarcho-syndicalism to Luxembourgism.
>>55326326
your comment was so stupid no rebuttal is needed
>>55326102
>HURRR DURR FREE MARKETS ARE FOR JEWS
get the fuck out of my country you retarded stormfag shithead.
It irritates me to no end reading these posts day in and day out.
You Nat soc mother fuckers are fuel for the marxist scumbags to erode what little liberty we have left.
If you want to be part of some racial collective cause you're not strong enough to be an independent human being move to the fuckng woods with your buddies. No one wants to hear this shit.
Fuck off
>>55326102
>>55326194
Liberalism is literally the anti-jew. Did you forget how authoritarian jews are, including communism which they pushed in yurop?
>>55326364
when i say "libertarianism", i'm referring mainly to minarchism
>>55326413
>not understanding the difference between a free market and free trade
good goy.
>You Nat soc mother fuckers are fuel for the marxist scumbags to erode what little liberty we have left.
so not letting jews completely dominate our economy is the same thing as eroding your liberty?
your mind is gone my friend.
>>55326102
>>55326194
>>55326432
Of course they don't. All of these faggots have 0 economic literacy and blame their shortcomings on a certain association of people instead of taking some responsibility for the results of their actions.
"i cant succeed in this society cause im white and muh jews"
It's the same mentality of the niggers they claim to hate.
fucking retards
>>55326032
>libertarians simply reject the false left/right dichotomy
You're on the right. Get over it.
>>55326321
If you really want to transcend left/right, you have to see the many faces of The Jew.
One, the Social or cultural Marxist side, is clearly recognized and reviled here on /pol/. Deservedly so.
The other, the Financial jew, stays hidden from view. The globalist multinational corporations get propped up here just like they were mom and pop local businesses because "muh free market". Libertarians don't even believe in protecting their own countries' wealth and productivity from foreigners. Fucking cukcs.
>>55326527
>not letting the jews completely dominate our economy is the same thing as eroding your liberty?
The process of "not letting the jews dominate" involves infringing property rights with economic regulations that shouldn't be there.
As Finland is saying here >>55326432
what you're calling "the jews" is the authoritarian establishment that has an anti white agenda.
If you take away the authority, you take away the problem.
Socialism simply replaces the problem with another and allocates resources based on racial preferences instead of supply and demand.
It's inherently as self destructive as any form of authoritarian rule.
We get it, you don't like jews or blacks. Having a fucking 4th reich isn't the answer.
>>55326639
this. i can't believe the a libertarian would have the nerve to call anyone unamerican while they advocate open borders and free trade.
they're completely delusional.
>>55326984
>The process of "not letting the jews dominate" involves infringing property rights with economic regulations that shouldn't be there.
please explain to me how having safeguards on our economy is the same thing as infringing on property rights and economic regulations.
>>55326527
>implying anyone could "dominate" an economy without a strong government backing them up.
I shiggy diggy senpai
>>55326639
See above. Also
>Libertarians don't even believe in protecting their own countries' wealth and productivity from foreigners
L2 Comparative Advantage faggot. If someone else can do something better and cheaper than you can and you'd rather cry about it than find what you can produce better and cheaper than them, you deserve to starve.
>>55327059
It's simple logic, Natkek. If you don't like economic specialization, go be a hermit and do the work to provide for all your basic needs yourself.
>>55327260
>If you don't like economic specialization, go be a hermit and do the work to provide for all your basic needs yourself
that's the dumbest argument i've ever heard for mass immigration. try harder lolbertarian.
>>55326984
The government is kowtowing to the financial elite that are already in a place to buy out or drive out any competition that arises in the market. One could argue that they're riding the line on letting them do whatever they want already. If that's what you're arguing, I agree with you.
Eliminating any possible legal barrier to their complete dominance is fucking retarded though. If you think dropping all that shit now is somehow going to make them say "Well, I guess you got me, goyim. I'll have to go elsewhere for my shekels" you're doubly retarded.
Giant multinational corporations can afford to literally lose millions or billions of dollars just to drive competition out of the market. And they will to ensure they're the only ones producing something people buy. They can afford to play the long game. You and I can't.
i think the whole ideology is only supported by the evil and naive
some things should not be legal for the sake of protection those who cant protect themselves. like with weed, only an evil fuck would want it legalized only for rich jew fucks to make a profit from it by selling it to easily influenced people through massive advertising
weed is just an example, what about their hate for protectionism? they do not give a fuck if farmers earn enough to have decent production in the US, because wherever food is sold, the rich can get it, unlike the poor. kinda like how hitler said the jews live everywhere and nowhere, so do the rich
do not get fooled by libertarians, theh dont want that people can do what they want, they simply want to make sure they themselves arent restricted from doings whatever they want
look up a question that was asked ron paul, if kids have the right to medical treatment or not, absolutely disgusting
libertarians do not have morals, they are the legit evil people sjw marixst college kids think they are fighting
>>55327558
>weed
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/05/why-hardly-anyone-dies-from-a-drug-overdose-in-portugal/
Reminder that high IQ is strongly correlated with Libertarianism.
Right wing libertarianism is an oxymoron. The word has its roots in left wing socialism.
>>55327863
Must be why some Americans are so stupid, seeing as both of your parties are authoritarian
>>55326032
Its for fags 14/88 Heil Hitler
>>55327696
as long as users arent dead this is a good thing? why would we even want them on something addictive and braincell killing? and portugal is kind of socialist, you can bet that in a libertarian country nobody would do anything for the addicted
>>55327863
of course, only the smart would support it, since they usually are rich as hell and can use it to exploit the poor
>>55328114
>the smart are usually rich as hell
Oh, if only this were true.
>>55327059
Ah, but you see open boarders and free trade are ok if you have
>no welfare state
>right to keep arms
>Freedom of association
Otherwise, you get what's going on in Europe right not: the government importing people that are toxic to the society, while preventing people from defending themselves and forcing them to associate.
It would be entirely different if the germans or british were allowed to say: "hey, we don't want you in our stores, we won't serve you, and if you start shit we'll shoot you."
That's libertarianism.
Of course, the open borders part is only effective when the rest of the state has been dismantled, otherwise it is a suicide pact.
>>55328006
>addictive and braincell killing?
As long as alcohol and tobacco are legal this is a very poor argument. Vast majority of drugs, including some opiates, are less addictive and dangerous than they are.
>and portugal is kind of socialist, you can bet that in a libertarian country nobody would do anything for the addicted
So without government intervention nobody would give a shit and just let people die? Reminds me of Christians who say they would go to jail for murder if they had no Christian morals to follow. Psychopathic.
>>55328578
This nigga gets it.
>>55326032
Hi, could you show me your rights please.
I don't believe in them, I only see actions and consequences.
Heil Hitler, libertarians first to swing on the Day of the Rope
>>55328578
i don't think you understand what free trade is. let me give you a hint, it's not the same thing as a free market. also this country has never had an open borders policy until very recently.
>>55328006
How much money is too much to stop people doing weed?
How many people locked up for nonviolent crimes like posession is too many?
How much police militarization is too much?
How many no-knocks are too many?
How much richer and more free would we be if we didn't spend all this time, money, and ruined lives stopping people from doing something that is essentially harming no-one?
>>55326032
>Libertarianism
That's just fat people's way of saying "liberal".
>>55328596
dont see how you can say im giving poor arguments when you tell me its poor because there are more addictive products out there, why does that mean weed should be illegal? just because tobacco and alcohol are so merged into our wife of life doesnt mean we should let the same happen to weed
>psychopathic
you kind of proved my point, i never said anything about christians or christianity though, just about how libertarians, and just people in general, would do anything they wanted if it wasnt for the government restricting them
like how god restricts scared christians
im glad you brought morals of people up. tell me, should kids be denied medical attention if doctors or hospitals dont want to help?
>>55328006
>you can bet that in a libertarian country nobody would do anything for the addicted
My Negro, Please.
“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.”
>>55326032
>authoritarianism
Depends on a dictator.
>>55326032
>claims libertarians have rejected false phony dichotomies
>proceeds to outline a new one (libertarianism/authoritarianism)
being this autistic
>>55328596
>alcohol
It doesn't kill brain cells.
So pls.
>>55329045
>should kids be denied medical attention if doctors or hospitals dont want to help?
No, doctors should be forced at gunpoint to heal people.
In fact, I can confirm that the only reason doctors do treat people is because they will be fined, imprisoned or shot if they dont. For which we have the government to thank.
Goddamn lazy doctors. I don't even understand why they went into medicine.
Libertarian means anarchist in the ears of normalfaggots.
Whenever i say im a libertarian people assume Im an ultra right winger.
>not being a pragmatist. the state should have full control of certain areas and get the fuck out of others, it needs to be authoritarian in a minority of issues but libertarian in most.
Absolutes and ideologues are cancerous.
>>55328875
why does being against libertarians mean i support any of those bad things?
>harms no-one
you dont think people around you affect you? you dont see how stoners INdirectly affect you? even directly? please think about how you want your fellow man to be like
>>55329060
this is all wise and smart, but that doesn't change the horrible part of the ideology
its always the state!
any group of people can reign like a state
>>55329045
You realize that having access to more substances some people could give up more dangerous ones for safer options? It's incredible that the thought didn't cross your mind. Even the mere possibility of that happening can save lives and medical costs.
>i never said anything about christians or christianity though
> people in general, would do anything they wanted if it wasnt for the government restricting them
And yet my example was 100% accurate. Just like the Christian in the example would murder people without Christian morals, you assume people would go fucking apeshit and do anything they want, including murder, if big brother wasn't there to say no. You NEED somebody to tell you what to do and you assume everybody else is the same.
>>55327059
Why would a libertarian advocate for open borders? If there are no borders, then there's no country, and then there's no place to have libertarianism in. Nobody is stupid enough to think that the entire world will embrace libertarianism.
>>55328578
>open boarders and free trade are ok
I'm going to stop you right there. If you don't have any loyalty to this country and the well-being of the people already in it, you're the exact sort of unAmerican globalist trash I want swinging from a rope.
Without nationalism and trade protections for American business for the benefit of Americans, libertarian economic policies are a suicide pact.
>>55326241
>>55326321
>>55326413
>>55326432
>>55326581
>"in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." -Karl Marx
Regulated markets are the ocean you sail your fiscally solvent nation upon. Laissez Faire economics are the shoals the Jew leads you towards so he can wreck your ship and loot its contents.
>>55329556
yeah if weed is legalized everybody will become a stoner just like everybody is an alcoholic...
Just because there are vulnerable people doesnt mean everybody has to pay for it
>>55328114
How would libertarianism exploit the poor? It would benefit the poor.
>>55329321
so... doctors shouldn't have to help little kids if they dont want to? how is giving psychos like you more power a good idea again? like i said, an ideology for the evil
Why aren't there many female libertarians? There are plenty of women conservatives and liberals.
>>55329730
if one doctor doesnt want to another one will.
Leftists really are simple minded people that NEED the goverment to tell them what to do just like right wing christians NEED their precious little sky god to guide them. And the worst part is how they want to enforce their stupid authoritarian bullshit upon the rest because they always think they are morally superior.
>>55329556
>why does being against libertarians mean i support any of those bad things?
Because that's how keeping weed illegal works out.
You seem to think that you live in fantasy land where you can pass a law and it stops things from happening. You don't understand that the law is force. That's all it is. That's the only power the government has - the legal right to send armed men against you to imprison you, beat you, take your shit, or even kill you.
You think "taxing cigarettes will make people smoke less" and then your shocked when poor people are choked to death by the police for selling untaxed cigarettes.
>please think about how you want your fellow man to be like.
By that logic, you would be ok with establishing a state religion and making it mandatory.
>>55329556
>this is all wise and smart, but that doesn't change the horrible part of the ideology
>its always the state!
>any group of people can reign like a state
I can't even understand you.
>>55329923
Not leftists but authoritarians. Left-right is irrelevant here
>>55327153
>>55327153
Define "safeguards".
The only safeguards necessary in a free economy are the state to prevent infringement of natural rights like theft and burglary which both exist in a libertarian society.
What is missing in that judicial framework?
>>55329699
sure it would, buddy
cheaper food, shittier quality
"want food that isnt poisonous? fuck you, if you dont want to eat this food, then youre just an entitled commie"
>>55329696
selfish, really selfish
"a few cant handle it, whatever"
>>55329565
safer options? its illegal for a good reason, i dont think weed is a better option for tobacco, its worse in my eyes
you really dont understand what kind of mental gymnastics people make themselves do to justify their selfishnes
saying people wont exploit others is a lie, people wont murder eachother with a knife thag quickly, they sure as hell will rob eachother for a mere profit
big brother is kind of needed
>>55329767
Because there aren't many libertarians in general. My wife is a libertarian.
>>55329664
You really should have read the rest of the post, it would have saved you a lot of time. It only works once everything else has been abolished.
>>55329664
>Without nationalism and trade protections for American business for the benefit of Americans, libertarian economic policies are a suicide pact.
Who will protect the carriage-whip makers? Who will buy my whale oil, with all this cheap petroleum? Better have the government step in to keep my uncompetative business afloat, restrict american choices, and subsidize my outdated product with a higher cost goods.
>>55330102
there are many left right paradigms besides the classic one. I was using the left=bigger government right=smaller one but I agree authoritarian/libertarian is better to avoid misunderstandings.
I still think the political compass is very useful because anything in the south hemisphere is libertarian to different degrees but can still shift to the left or the right. Simply saying libertarian or authoritarian doesnt tell us much about each individual's position in the overall scheme.
>>55329997
>you cannot pass a law and stop things from happening
you are not a lolbertarian, you are an anarchist
>>55329670
>"in general, the protective system of our day is conservative, while the free trade system is destructive. It breaks up old nationalities and pushes the antagonism of the proletariat and the bourgeoisie to the extreme point. In a word, the free trade system hastens the social revolution. It is in this revolutionary sense alone, gentlemen, that I vote in favor of free trade." -Karl Marx
How'd that work out for him?
>>55329730
You think doctors only help people because the government makes them?
>>55329664
>Being this nationalist
Way to buy into the propaganda that keeps you an obedient little sheep under the central authority of the federal government.
Tell me how you feel about gay marriage and #blacklivesmatter so I can figure out if you're voting for Jeb or Uncle Bernie next year. It's the only way I've been able to tell the difference.
>>55327476
What you're saying is true.
However, these monopolies you're describing come from state sanctions where the government discourages competition which is the overreach of the state that libertarians argue against.
The government should have the ability to aid multinational corporations in sustaining monopolies. the government should have no hand in the economy what-so-ever.
That's the point I'm making. The state is the enemy, not the Jews. Without the state, the Jews have no power
>>55330323
>interprets tariffs on imports as subsidies for buggy whip manufacturers
your IQ is upper bounded to 100. Kill yourself
>>55330233
>"a few cant handle it, whatever"
so only a few in your country are not alcoholics? I'm sorry.
Of course it will seem selfish to one who has been brainwashed to worship collectivism above all else instead of a balanced mixture between your own individualist interests and those of society at large.
You are probably the same kind of person that would ban guns in a country with millions because of a hundred shootings.
>>55330411
again, should doctors be able to refuse helping a child in need?
>>55329997
i think its obvious that when i say something should be illegal some kind of force is going to make sure people are going to abide to that law
stop assuming things, i never said anything about taxing
>>55330402
>laws magically make things stop happening.
Laws have to be enforced. Millions of people every day make a concious decision to obey or disobey the law, based on their own moral code, but also on the potential consequences of not obeying.
The more a law is contrary to human nature, the more petty it is, the more force is required to offset the loss of peoples own moral initiative.
>>55330233
People are already committing crimes under the almighty big brother. Do you think that number would increase by a significant amount without the state spying on you? Gotta say you have a very, very pessimistic view on world. Either that or you need guidance and are unable to see not everybody is like you.
>safer options?
Yes.
>its illegal for a good reason
Because illegal drugs have been stigmatized, every single study about weed and psychedelics proves over and over again that they are not harmful and in some cases even beneficial.
>i dont think weed is a better option for tobacco
Nobody cares what you think because you aren't qualified to give an informed opinion, as seen by
>its worse in my eyes
your argument is purely based on emotion.
>>55329664
If we eliminated federal wage standards and cut corporate income taxes from the absurd levels they are currently at, businesses wouldn't want to leave the country.
Taking business overseas is contrary to popular belief, MORE expensive than domestic manufacturing. It's done to evade loopholes of taxes and for cheap labor.
You don't have to have more government forcing jobs to stay here, just cut fucking regulations and you will see more business being done, lower prices, and thus more jobs available for Americans.
Just cause you're a nationalist doesn't mean you need socialist policies to have a successful economy
>>55330411
>Marx did not do well.
How can be so stupid as to imagine that Marx was a failure? On the contrary, his agenda of upsetting the world balance, promoting mass death, destabilizing traditional culture, wounding Christian religion, and elevating Jews to new highs in power level has been and continues to be rousingly successful.
How is Marx doing? Nigger, they teach Communist Manifesto in undergrad at most universities. How the fuck do you think he's doing, retard?
>>55330554
It's exactly what it is. Making the consumer pay more for an inferior product, solely to keep a non-competitive manufacturer in business.
>>55330233
>I don't like something so it needs to be banned
people like you are the reason authoritarians gain power in the first place. Fuck off and enjoy you government mandated quota of immigrant cock. You aren't worth of freedom.
You have no idea what left and right is, American libertarianism is about as far right as you can go.
>>55330658
Have you killed yourself yet, faggot?
>>55326102
Every human action is for individual gain, we are not collectivist like ants dumbfuck, we are intelligent individuals
>>55330777
define right.
>>55330606
why would we want people to even know about weed? why give them the temptation to start using something? when you introduce a drug into a country, and it gets merged into the culture, its hard to ban it, look at alcohol for example
there would never be individual need for something like weed if you dont let people interact with it, nobody would want it, nobody would care about making it legal
its horrible hearing this, just horrible
its like brainwashing someone and then saying its his choice to be brainwashed
>>55330743
The politics of jealousy will never die. You can only drive them wounded back into the depths, and teach your children to watch the waves.
>>55330833
>memes with every post
>calls others faggot
>>55330914
Right = Capitalism/Individualism, Left = Socialism/Communism
>>55330746
No, moron - it's
a) charging those who sell goods into our markets a fee for the privilege, which is the only intelligent thing to do
b) Providing an alternative source of revenue for the federal government so that the productivity killing federal income tax can be reduced.
c) making sure there are enough jobs for the domestic populace so they aren't all on welfare. What difference does it make if you get widgets $2 cheaper from China if doing so means you have to make transfer payments to your domestic poors to the tune of $3 dollars for every widget that you could have been making domestically?
Just fucking kill yourself already.
>>55330925
Everything you say, it's like you believe in magic. How do you accomplish all this shit in the real world?
>>55330963
>memes
This is a mongolian claymation image board, faggot - kill yourself
>>55330969
Left is not exclusive authoritarian and right is not exclusively libertarian. What the fuck?
>>55326194
>>55326102
>>55328114
>>55331092
When did I say anything about authoritarian and libertarian?
>>55326032
libertarians in general are a bunch of keks brainwashed by ayn rand bullshit.
>>55326032
>[Libertarianism] IS the ultimate red pill.
lmao
>>55331032
So you agree, it's exactly what I said it was, you just think that's a good thing.
It's paying poor people to do busy work instead of welfare, and then making everyone else buy their overpriced shit instead of taxing them.
Buggy whips indeed.
>>55331154
Socialism/communism = authoritarian
Individualism = opposite of collectivism = liberalism
>>55331092
I meant communism in a literally sense (as in the opposite of individualism) rather than any one ideology that has used the word.
>>55331200
Yes giving a mortal human, born the same as you or I, is somehow more inherently exalted with goodness that he'd never be corrupted by power, which is a staple to human nature, power corrupts and is a addicting
>>55330768
yes yes, very cool
>>55330662
studies are the truth?
also, did you really just tell me weed isnt harmful? are you kidding me? what major studies gave these conclusions? steinberg weed centre of israel?
i gave my opinion on whats worse based on the different effects they give. like with weed turning you into a slow retard, while smoking doesnt do that really that much
>>55330642
>again, should doctors be able to refuse helping a child in need?
Absolutely. He may be under moral obligation to help the child but coercion through force or the threat thereof is no less amoral.
>>55330743
>Teaching the Communist Manifesto
>this means they agree with it
I bet you'll be one of those parents who blows a vein when their kid gets history/geography homework about Islam in middle school.
>>55331251
Classical liberalism at least, in the US liberals are collectivists and conservatives tend to be more individualist ironically enough
>>55331084
>This is a mongolian claymation image board,
You're supposed to leave the "image" part off, see, the "claymation" part is supposed to replace it.
That's the joke.
>>55330925
Just curious, are you a natsoc?
>>55330969
See, i dont think that is a very useful dichotomy. Because people can have far left and far right opinions at the same time and on average still be on the left or right and if they call themselves libertarians or communists people will often make many incorrect assumptions. I would rather use the political compass but that is just me.
>>55331251
>>55331272
You can have voluntary communism and you can have individualism with oppressive laws.
>>55327908
It comes down to Fiscal Policy. If you're left with your fiscal policy you believe in entitlements and government care for your people. If you are right with your fiscal policy, then you believe the private sector will be prosperous enough that your people will have enough money and resources to fend for themselves. All Libertarians should agree on almost unlimited rights/liberties however.
>>55331250
kek
>>55331196
>libertarians in general are a bunch of keks brainwashed by ayn rand bullshit.
Right, a intillectual history dating back to Adam Smith, Bastiat, etc, and you think Ayn Rand invented it.
Rand hated libertarians, silly. Better not get your talking points from Salon.
>>55327558
>for the sake of protection those who cant protect themselves. like with weed
I'm an alcoholic should we make alcohol illegal to protect me from myself or let me just ruin my life with alcohol?
>>55331310
>Absolutely
thank you, the loud american in this thread still didnt give me a proper response
>>55331360
The political compass is shit because it conflates capitalism and conservatism with right and socialism and "progressivism" with left. Also for some reason conflates mysticism with right even though more people on the left believe in that shit.
>>55331336
US terms are pretty fucked up. Your definition of liberalism has given raise to neo-progressivism not only in US but elsewhere as well because they use the term as a shield against criticism
>>55331196
>>55331433
Lolbertarian gods
>>55326102
If libertarianism = jewish greed to you, then you are submitting that under equal terms, jews are better than you.
Is freedom not pernicious when it is made the organizing ideal? In order to celebrate freedom itself you would always need something "unfree" opposed to it.
>>55326032
>advocating more freedom
You mean advocating for my own self interest. I don't care about freedom beyond my own one bit.
>>55331443
no, too much people drink and dont want that to happen. would it be better for everyone? yeah
now tell me, do we really want weed to be such a big part of our society like alcohol? we already have dirty drunks like you
>>55331485
I did, you ignored it, like you've ignored most of the answers to your childish shit arguments. You should be glad anyone is humoring you at all.
>LIBERTARIANS WOULD LET CHILDREN DIE
Faggot.
>>55331590
>if you disagree with me, then I am right
nice dialectic there, dipshit
>>55331489
but the conservatism and mysticism have their own sliders.
the compass itself is just authoritarian/libertarian NS and collectivist/individualist WE
>>55331651
what did you answer? now please make it clear now instead of trying to avoid answering "yes"
>>55331032
>making sure there are enough jobs for the domestic populace so they aren't all on welfare
By what measure are your countrymen more deserving of someone from another country to a job, exactly? And no, appeals to Nationalism/Tribalism don't count. Give me logical reasons why person A is better than person B beyond living in closer proximity to you.
>>55331392
Oh nevermind, your bullshit reserves already ran dry it seems.
>>55331620
But I'm perfectly functional when I stay away from alcohol. So I choose to stay away from it without denying it to others.
>dude weed lmao
/thread
>>55331718
Wait we are both talking about www.politicalcompass.org right?
>>55331651
OK, I'll put it in more kindergarten terms. If jews can beat you, in a libertarian system, where laws can't be made to stifled you, or regulations (that muh jews use to keep the might man down), you are just as much power to organize and do business. If you say this system favors jews, then you are saying a level playing field favors the jews. Which means you require a handicap. Which means you're inferior... by your own admission.
>>55330642
>should doctors be able to refuse helping a child in need
They already are. They will be punished, but they can simply refuse. It's just a small imposition of opportunity cost.
>>55326032
libertarians are just right wingers that don't wanna be associated with republicans
>>55331290
>studies are the truth?
More objective truth than your opinions
> did you really just tell me weed isnt harmful? are you kidding me?
Smoking anything is harmful because smoke is carcinogenic. Eating/vaping will solve that problem. But beyond that? I'll be interested to know the truly harmful effects. Your risk of heart attack increases 5 times during the first hour after smoking which doesn't mean anything to anyone who doesn't have a heart condition. Cannabis can trigger existing mental illnesses but the key word is existing, they will trigger on their own sooner or later.
So provide harmful effects beyond these 3 non-issues.
>i gave my opinion on whats worse based on the different effects they give.
So your opinion on "harmfulness" is determined by the "high" you get from using a drug, not what the drug does to your body. Utter retard.
>>55331390
>All Libertarians should agree on almost unlimited rights/liberties however.
Not true. All libertarians should agree on negative rights, i.e. not being subject to the will of another. That does give you freedom to do a lot of shit, but your rights absolutely end where the body or property of another begins.
>>55331999
South Korea gets it.
>>55331806
>implying that a libertarian system is stable
>implying that a libertarian is anything other than a step on the path to a Bolshevist smashing of the state
>implying that jews are honest
>implying that jews will not cheat you if you lower your defenses
Jews offer to play a specific type of game with you, economic liberalism. I contend that their ethnic nepotism countermands any appearance of level playing field, and makes it foolish to play this game.
>hurr durr, if you don't play my crooked game and allow me to cheat you, you are inferior
>>55331515
>Lets take the jew out of the boardroom, and let him instead pull the strings of our legislators and politicians. For your own good, of course!
Good call, faggot.
>>55331999
>not being subject to the will of another
so every form of communication or expression?
>>55332084
>South Korea gets it.
Gets what? Sucking on our teat? Yeah, they do at that.
>>55331727
He doesn't even recognize that he just wants make work instead of "welfare" and higher prices instead of "taxes".
>>55332146
>heads I win, tails you lose
>can't into dispensing with false dichotomies and getting into serious debate
Have you killed yourself yet, cretin?
test
>>55332192
What are you on about? The poster had a SK flag and I affirmed his statement.
Are you perhaps upset about something?
>>55331979
>more objective
you just choose to believe them because it benefits you, okay, just remember, the majority isnt always right
this is going to sound really shit but whatever. im on my phone and i really dont feel like refuting an autistic spycho finn any longer, you can read about the harmful effects on any major website about weed
and when did i ever say that pleasure from it is harmful? slowly turning into a retard (harm to your body) after each blunt is not a high, moron
>ultimate red pill.
>don't even reject capitalism
embrace the reddest of pills senpai
>>55332282
Yeah, god forbid we should re-establish upward mobility throughout the classes by getting everyone working again, thereby reducing the size of the proletariat and making Marxist revolution infeasible, because that might preserve our Republic.
>>55332120
>I contend that their ethnic nepotism countermands any appearance of level playing field, and makes it foolish to play this game.
If not raw competition between groups of people (race, religion, whatever), then you are essentially supporting a system of affirmative action in getting in the competition's way.
Another admission of inferiority.
>>55326032
Libertarianism is the view that more freedom is needed in society.
That's it. There's nothing more to it.
Who Hoppe here?
An recommendations on other writers?
>>55332400
Willfully ignoring scientific evidence in case it "might be wrong" and instead believing the opposite not backed up by evidence but emotion instead is the definition of intellectual dishonesty.
I'm sure you can quickly provide those links to harmful effects despite being on a phone. And by the way the "turning into a retard" part only applies when children smoke weed, no study has ever concluded that it does the same for adults.
>>55332297
The Jew in business I can avoid. I don't have to deal with him, do commerce with him, I can cut him out of my life entirely.
The Jew in the halls of government i can't avoid. He can legally use force against me. He can dictate policy against me. He can harness the coercive force of government to force me to do business with him.
>>55332297
>getting into serious debate
You haven't said anything worth taking seriously this entire thread. Spout your solution, if you want to play with the adults.
>>55332434
lol,ok nevermind.
>>55332400
you are either a good troll or have deep rooted control issues and messianic complex
>>55332549
corporate freedom
>>55332517
> can't into sticking to the terms of the debate
> can't into any reasoning style other than false choice between only two alternatives
> hurr durr, if you don't support multiculturalism, then you support affirmative action
>heads I win tails you lose
gas yourself
>>55332725
I didn't say any of those things. It seems you've lost the debate, and have degraded to debating other things with an invisible man.
Libertarianism is absolutely childish. I'm glad I explored it though, because it led me to true enlightenment and national socialism.
>>55332642
>spout your solution
balanced trade
protectionism
tariff
fund federal government through tariff and excise taxes
Roll back to year 1900
>>55332676
Indeed. Of of the big things is to stop the bureaucratic nightmare that is setting up and operating business so that any citizen would have "corporate freedom" instead of a few players buddy buddy with the bureaucracy and not caring about it due to sheer size anyway.
>>55332813
if you say so
what is it about libertarian ideology that makes them they're so special?
>>55332434
>Yeah, god forbid we should re-establish upward mobility throughout the classes by getting everyone working again,
You want to re-establish upward mobility?
Lessen the tax rate and remove the regulatory burden. Let innovation and competition thrive. Make this country the best place in the world to do business.
>>55332637
evidence is only evidence if you consider it being true
youre telling a piece of paper written by a person who can be wrong and can be lying has to have written the truth on it?
and dont try to play the emotion card on me, it only hurts yourself when youre trying to show you really only care about profits
do you have a smartphone? its kind of not worth the trouble
only children get harmed? oh, how lucky are we they arent easily influenced by the media and how they shoud live their life
why did i even respond now
>>55332158
yes. you can do literally anything as long as it doesn't violate the person or property of another.
>>55332356
Joke's on him I'm a US expat anyway. Prepping myself to be part of the globalist economy boogieman he's pissing his cheeto-stained sweatpants over.
>>55332434
Deregulate and you eliminate a significant portion of capital flight and labor cost disparity right out of the gate. Beyond that, if China is better than making shirts than us, yeah it means trouble for US shirt-makers in the short run but if they're too lazy and stupid to move to a profession the chinks don't have comparative advantage in, especially with how far technology has and continues to advance, by what logic are they more deserving of gainful employment than Mr. Chang?
>>55332642
>spout your solution
Republican politics in the mold of William McKinley, our 25th president
In a word, Trump. He's a perfect match for my criteria of how the United States should be governed.
>>55333076
>lessen the tax rate
you can't reduce the federal income tax without providing an alternative revenue stream. That's what the income from the tariff on imported goods is for, to lessen the income tax burden, among other things.
>conquer the new world
>it's the white man's right, land has exchanged hands all throughout time
native americans: white man is evil and unjust.
>jews conquer the global economic system and media
whites: jews are evil and unjust.
face it.. you're just a conquered people complaining about your inferiority, and rationalizing it.
>>55333080
What the fuck am I even reading?
>evidence is only evidence if you consider it being true
The DEFINITION of evidence is that it's true, until proven wrong.
And you really think people just pick up a paper and write whatever they want in them and call it a study? I really do think this is a troll at this point but I'm really having fun reading your responses.
>>55333254
You can also spend much less.
libertarian, republican, conservative, rightwingers..
no critical thinking skills
an unexamined ideology
authoritarian
>>55333076
>lessen the tax rate
How do you think the federal government was even funded before the 16th amendment? import duties and tariffs, plus excise taxes. Taxes on weed, speed, and alcohol can be the excise portion of the alternative revenue streams, i.e., sin taxes. If you want to legalize drugs and get rid of the income tax, you and I are really on the same page, you just don't know it yet. What you want is the world circa 1900 - you want a federal government funded by import duties and excise taxes, state control of pharmaceutical regulation, etc. You'll get on my level eventually.
>>55332939
Buggy whips and whale oil indeed!
>>55333254
>you can't reduce the federal income tax without providing an alternative revenue stream
You can if you cut spending. Or do you think we need all those government workers to keep them off welfare?
Cut it. Cut it to the bone.
>>55333398
social science garbage. What else have you got?
>>55333398
>authoritarian
>libertarian
Fucking lol
>>55333065
>>55333398
>won't someone please take me seriously!
>>55333484
still funny, point is, you, or anyone, can repeat the test
>>55333435
>cut government jobs
You are putting the cart before the horse. You need new industry and a growing demand for workers at a good wage before people will go along with cutting gubmint jobs to the bone. I mean, really, you libertarians, you really think people are going to trust fall with you?
If you build it, they will come. Tariff and duties on imports to cut the balance of trade until its even. Protectionism will create the domestic demand for laborers that will convince people it is okay to cut gubmint jobs.
>>55333547
I know, I know. you're all about freedom. but you tend to be short sighted. and simple minded.
>>55333611
Yeah, I like syllogisms. I read John Stuart Mill's System of Logic (vol. 1&2) through twice. It was part of the curriculum at Yale in 1900. How times have changed.
>>55333608
don't get mad
>>55326102
>greed is not good. sorry goy
You've got a point. All libertarians seem to care about is shekels and hedonistic activity. The entire concept of culture is foreign to them.
Even if they have good intentions, it would have disastrous results. Complete freedom for the average pleb is a disaster.
>>55333254
>>55333408
Why is the federal system that requires your tariff funds necessary?
>>55333654
Why is a government necessary to "build it"? The free market has always done a fantastic job of filling a void where demand exists but not supply
Nice conspicuously ignoring me twice when I ask what makes people from your country inherently more deserving of a job than someone from another country by the way.
>>55333392
true, but that's difficult when our industrial base has been off shored and we have to make transfer payments to keep the proles from rioting. The solution is to get industry back, then cut spending. Trying to cut spending without bringing back industry first is a recipe for disaster.
>>55333300
how can you not comprehend this? if all evidence people present is true, then why are there multiple studies on clinate change that give different outcomes?
holy shit you are naive
>ctrl F: road
>0 results
I'm honestly shocked
>>55331999
Only insofar that the other has the power to enforce his freedom. You might want society to guarantee this, but in no way is it innate or natural.
>>55333777
Except you can absolutely be a nationalist libertarian.
I feel 90% of arguments are because nobody understands what the other means with the terms.
>>55333881
All evidence is not created equal; better look more closely at the methods used to come to those conclusions as well as any potential bias.
>>55333728
from 1900?
>>55326032
>>55333970
and positive studies on weed are have "more trustworthy evidence" than negative ones because?
tell me how we can know what study is bogus and what study we should refer to when discussing certain subjects?
>>55333408
Now we're getting somewhere.
Issues I have (aside from the tariffs, which we've discussed) are the prohibition aspect - not because dudeWeedLMAO but because the cost in both treasure and freedom is too high to maintain it.
Connectivity and innovation are going to be the way of the future, and those policies will get in the way of that. We need to be the place where everyone comes to innovate and do business. Look at all the shit we're doing to stifle drones, 3d printers, Uber, etc. We will be constantly behind the curve.
>>55333863
Much of the current problem we're in now is due to the fact that the boomers mistook American industrial superiority to be the way of the world, rather than a temporary imbalance in the wake of WW2, when the rest of the world was either bombed to shit or a undeveloped backwater. They wanted to keep things the same, resting on their laurels while the Germans and the Japanese were building newer factories, better technologies, greater innovation. The idea of America being a manufacturing powerhouse again and people living a good life of laborers wages is a pipe dream.
>>55326032
it's actually the ultimate right wing. everyone does what everyone wants, individuals profit only from their work, but at the same time are able to express any ideas and opinions and pretty much do anything ( with legal limitations ). the west used to be like that... now there's no stoping the russian communist agenda and the frankfurt school jews from taking over the world
>>55333884
No Somalia either!
>>55333836
>Be South Korean
>get scared when burger start to talk tariffs
You are a welfare nigger from South Korea who is used to the surplus of your goods getting tariff-free access to our markets without having to pay a fee. Those days are rapidly coming to an end. I see for you much greater engagement with China, and a lessening engagement with the U.S., as we raise our tariff under Trump to get our trade deficit back under control.
>free market
No such thing as a free lunch, kimchee
>>55333912
Largely true, but you're getting close to the mistake of conflating governance with government. Libertarianism has no qualms with voluntary organization.
>>55334125
I'll tell you as soon as you start linking those studies you like to speak of.
>>55327417
It was for free trade. Read a book nigger (start with Basic Economics by Sowell)
>>55334265
If we're being sophist, I'll point out that our government is already a purely voluntary organization. The people have the choice to revolt, and choosing not to is acceptance.
Only by revolting and failing do you prove you are indeed not free.
>>55334402
>calls someone a nigger
>recommends economics book by nigger
>nigger economics
straya, still king of the shitpost
>>55334266
>ill tell you
lol i think we are done here. i can see you were serious in the beginning of this conversation but you're tired of getting your called out for your bullshit and are trying to troll me by making it look like you never were serious
ill stop responding so you wont injure yourself, lol
>>55334510
Still no links eh? As expected.
>>55333863
There would be plenty of ways for proles to be employed if you bodies of law relating to work were not the mess they are.
Switzerland literally has a ten page code of work (unemployment at 3%). Here it is something like 2000 pages with appendices. Don't know about the us.
>>55330424
>The government should have the ability to aid multinational corporations in sustaining monopolies.
>the government should have no hand in the economy what-so-ever.
Make up your mind damnit!
>>55333777
Dubtriptrips don't fucking lie. Libertarians are obsessed with "ME ME ME!" And give no pause or thought to the greater picture. Yeah, let me just hoard a shitload of material wealth for the sake of and then die. Fuck society and fuck my neighbor because I want more things.
Libertarianism is absolutely jewish in nature, the same could be said about Anarcho Capitalism; their sole raison-d'être is to enable hedonism.
>>55334661
It's always fun to read people describing others who believe in an ideology you don't. Absolutely no bias here.
>>55334207
see >>55333081 before you start calling me Kimchee, Natkek.
The only thing that "scares" me about your tariff talk is that anyone so goddamned ignorant about basic economics could be deluded enough to try and argue on policy direction.
Trump will not be your magical comb-overed savior any more than Bernie will. In fact with the size of your tariff boner you'd be safe no matter which of those dumbfucks makes POTUS, because they both love dat der scary foreigners gon' took our jerbs rhetoric.
>>55334638
It's still a cart before the horse situation. These laws and regulations are allowed to accumulate in order to justify offshoring manufacturing, something that the corporations wanted to do anyway. If corps were forced to do business in the nation where they want to sell their goods by having a decent tariff, they would spend their lobbying bucks on reducing that regulation, and not on expediting offshoring.
>>55333398
I've noticed this on my twitter too.
they can't tell you how or why they are right, they just are.
no critical thinking skills.
I think they think of themselves as good people.
ask one. esp rapist, child molesters, crackheads ect
>>55326032
Libertarianism is the ultimate red-pill once you move past "edgy Fascism" and realize you'll never be able to murder you way to a better world.
>>55334861
And yet I'm not wrong.
>>55333081
>deregulate to eliminate capital flight
>cart before horse
There has to be a reason to manufacture in the nation in which you sell your goods before any pressure will build toward real regulatory reform. No pressure to reform business regulation can be formed so long as the escape valve of no import tariffs or duties and cheap offshore labor is still available to business. You have to close the circuit by increasing the tariff, then the pressure will naturally build to reform the regulatory environment. Or do you think that the "reform business regulation" mantra that everyone has been chanting for the past 50 years hasn't worked because it wasn't done in the right key?
>>55333081
>as long as it doesn't violate the person
What, their mental state? (because violating a physical body necessarily affects mental state)
>>55335215
You are an idiot and your bait is weak. The fin will BTFO you quick.
>>55334661
>Yeah, let me just hoard a shitload of material wealth for the sake of and then die. Fuck society and fuck my neighbor because I want more things.
Every goddamn time.
>denying people their own choices and forcing them to do as I wish at gunpoint makes me morally superior.
>If you didn't have the government forcing you do to it, it would never get done!
>I lack the basic understanding of human nature! If you put rules in place, people will follow them!
>>55335115
Bullshit! My particular kind of top-down social planning just hasn't been tried yet! Or hasn't been tried hard enough! Once we get the right people in charge, and make the penalties strict enough, you'll see utopia!
>>55335061
>trying this hard
>>55335352
I laughed
>>55335352
you are a self-parody. Kill yourself.
>>55326588
>progressives
>less authoritarian than conservatives
they are just as, if not more authoritarian
>>55334985
>>55335218
>Corporations want to offshore
>regulations that drive up domestic manufacturing costs exist primarily to justify offshoring
>implying money spent on lobbying is anything other than the worst sort of economic wastage
>Still utterly refuses to accept the basic tenets of competitive advantage
International trade always produces massive net economic gains for all parties involved in the long run. The short-run problems of now poorly allocated capital and labor only exist for as long as people refuse to re-allocate them to industries in which their nation retains a comparative advantage.
Tariffs and protectionism are the primary culprits in slowing the process of resource re-allocation, you have the chain of causality entirely fucking backwards.
>>55334985
It's a bit optimistic.
If you put some big tariff around, chances are you would just end up with tariff + regulations of work. Big companies outsourcing will always find a way to curb the application of these laws.
>>55335352
It's you who lacks basic understanding of human nature. Humans are usually complacent towards authority and most would rather submit as opposed to fighting a losing battle. This is extremely prevalent in today's world, where revolting against the status quo means potentially losing your first-world way of life.
People are naturally complacent, and will follow the rules more often than not.
>denying people their own choices and forcing them to do as I wish
There you go placing the individual before the community and state. The entire reason we see cultural and moral decline in the West today is because of our individualistic culture. People are encouraged to pursue their own interests without giving a thought to its effect on the community. The progressive-marxists took advantage of this, and the result today is the social justice claptrap that is destroying the West.
People must be beholden to something larger than themselves, whether it's a God, the State, and/or the Community. Placing the individual above all destroys civilizations.
>>55335352
>everything should be a free for all because I said so
>I don't like rules or structure because it impedes my free for all dreams
Humanity thrives under structure and direction, libertarianism and anarcho capitalism fost entropy, deviance and decay.
Libertarianism is a sense of enlightenment founded in fantasy
>>55336132
>It's you who lacks basic understanding of human nature. Humans are usually complacent towards authority and most would rather submit as opposed to fighting a losing battle.
>people will do what you tell them if you use enough force
Wow, what a fascinating insight into human nature. How could I have missed that? Obviously, that's how society should be formed.
>>55336132
>>55336331
Neither of you can comprehend the idea of structure and cooperation without government coercion.
>People are encouraged to pursue their own interests without giving a thought to its effect on the community.
People are encouraged to pursue their own interests without taking responsibility for their actions and expecting to be bailed out with money extracted from others.
>People must be beholden to something larger than themselves, whether it's a God, the State, and/or the Community. Placing the individual above all destroys civilizations.
Agree, yet you seem to think that people won't form communities, religious structures or anything without the state making them do so. Society would be no more random than an ecological system is random. People have self-organized for tens of thousands of years.
>>55336331
>n-notice me senpai!
>>55332406
underrated post
anarcho-primitivism is the black pill
>>55335487
>Mom, today in AP history we learned about William McKinley! He was this really cool president, and he. . .
>Oh honey, mommy's tired. Can't you tell your little friends on the internet?
And here we are.
