tl;dr ive been offered a 2008 cayman in trade for my current 2012 BRZ
it'll be a DD, gonna go and test drive it tomorrow anyways
yes or no
>>15313921
No. Who wants to DD a Porsche Cayman?
For a Cayman that cheap something has to be wrong with it.
Sounds fishy, why would anyone trade their porsche for a future shitbox? Better inspect that damn porsche thoroughly.
>>15313935
been through a 101 point check at porsche, whatever that is.
car is clean, but it is the base model cayman, 2.7l, manual.
>>15313941
>current shitbox
Ftfy
>>15313941
he's a good friend of the family, nothing fishy.
>>15313949
pretty much identical performance between the two cars though, I just want to guarantee myself against being used as a taxi.
>>15313931
Anyone who isnt a fag summer. Great job on the sage
I'm gonna see what clarkson has to say about it and then i'll be back
any advice is appreciated, im really fucking torn here
>DD a RR sportsmobile
You better live somewhere that has pleasant weather a majority of the time and not need to transport anything that can't fit in a passenger seat or you will hate yourself
>>15313956
Bwahahaha no. Ur toyubaru is shit, he just wants a backseat. The cayman is far faster and better handling.
>>15313984
> The cayman is far faster
not really no
>>15313983
MR, and I live in the arctic circle.
I don't ever got anything big that needs hurling around, and I never want to be used as a taxi again.
Do it
>>15313921
I'd be worried about someone wanting to downgrade from a Cayman to a BRZ. Unless they specifically want the BRZ to customise the shit out of, something sounds off about a straight trade between the two
>>15314016
>not really no
Then stay away. Something is wrong with it.
>>15313983
I daily drive a brz in New England. 60 miles per day highway to save time or town roads when I feel like it. The weather really isn't a big problem.
so, as im seeing it, right now;
BRZ pros: fun asf and pretty practical, newer and has warranty
BRZ cons: falling apart, hideous build quality, subaru are absolute cunts about respecting my warranty
porsche pros: badge, 6 cylinders, its a fucking porsche
porsche cons: maintenance costs, practicality, that hideous fucking back end
>>15314023
he needs 4 seats, and unlike 4chang, the BRZ is actually respected as a decent quick car here.
performance between a 2.7l base cayman and a BRZ is pretty much the same. the price/value of the two cars, right now on the interwebs, are identical too.
>>15314064
JUST FUCKING DO IT
>>15314085
OKAY OKAY OKAY JESUS ILL DO IT
I'll post pics tomorrow
>>15313921
Is it near 20k, 40k, 60k, etc.? They have to be serviced every 20k miles and it's about $1000-1300
90% of the ones on CL are just shy of a major service interval.
t. former Gayman S owner
>>15313921
OH SHIT IS THAT A MODEL 3???
>>15314111
what is a model 3
>>15314108
its been through a big service recently apparently at porsche.
although these are the things ill have to check up on tomorrow, I don't even know its milage yet.
>>15313978
If you can ensure nothing is wrong w the Porsche then take the deal
That is awesome. Who doesnt want to drive a porsche, theyre dreams
Fucking brz doesnt hold a candle
>>15314158
weeeeeell. the BRZ is faster around most any track, if we're benchracing, more practical and has a limited slip diff. is also newer and has warranty.
but like you're saying, it is a porsche. I'll just not want to reminded of that when I'm having it serviced and I get the bill back.
>>15313921
FUCKING DO IT NOW REEEEEEEE
TRADE YOUR DEPRECIATING TOYOTA GARBAGE FOR BEAUTIFUL GERMAN ENGINEERING
>>15314132
>>15314064
Performance isn't just straight line acceleration. Any decent MR car will be far more agile than a FR shitbox
more info
milage on the porsche is 112 000km
BRZ is currently at 36 000km
that is some serious milage om the porsche.
>>15314259
that's fucking nothing, 70,000 miles is considered really good for a used car in america
just fucking do it dude Cayman's are incredible cars and far more enjoyable than your Toyobaru ever will be
i woudn't trade, tha cayman in a very nice car but the base 2.7 and 112k just doesn't look good, but is a very nice car to drive, i never drove a BRZ, but the cayman is nice, but in the S spec
>>15314270
>and far more enjoyable than your Toyobaru ever will be
have you driven both?
I'll find out tomorrow anyways
>>15314276
I'll be honest, i'm on the fence now. depending on the service history and extras on the porsche, I'll strongly consider it.
>>15314332
i've driven a BR-Z and a 997 Carrera 4S if that counts for anything. It's like comparing a plastic blue ink Bic to a bespoke fountain pen. Yeah they do the same function, but the fit and finish make the experience so radically different.
>>15314382
like i said, i guess ill find out tomorrow.
my ex had a boxster, and thats the closest ive ever gotten to a cayman.
the porsche is gonna sound better, a lot better, and people will assume im some pornographer, not an initial D fanboy.
I also think the cayman is atrociously ugly, but its something I'll live with happily if the drive is better than the subaru
>>15314332
Ur car sucks faggot. Accept it. Its slower than the porsche and built like shit. It is not nearly as fast in any dimension u delusional shit
>>15314595
if we were talking about a newer cayman S that would be the case.
a 2008 base model 2.7l cayman, like ive pointed out several times now, is identical to the BRZ in terms of performance.
0-60 time, top speed, everything
lap time nordschleife for a 2008 cayman S, yes S, with upgraded brakes and 19'' wheels with sticky ass tires is 8:18
BRZ with better brakepads and stickier 17'' tires is 8:25 something.
>>15314382
I drive a brz and also actually use fountain pens daily and the brz is more like a TWSBI Eco than a bic ball point.
>>15314622
The porsche is half a second 0-60 and doesnt have a sub 150mph top speed. You are fucking delusional. That shitbox of yours does the ring closer to 9 minutes. The cayman is far from fast but its no slouch like your toyubaru. You owners really do have to lie to yourselves huh?
>>15314674
*faster
>>15313945
Manual is nice but the 2.7 is gutless compared to the based 3.4 . The Caymans are pretty-much bulletproof . However
>DD
>2 seats
You'd better not have any friends or you won't be having much fun . The Cayman is the definition of a second car .
>>15314088
good boy.
>>15314198
disgusting
also
meme the car
>>15314696
I dont get this two seats bs. Are your friends high schoolers who dont have their own car? Are they poverty stricken or alcoholics you must ferry around for their own safety? Backseats are for children.
>>15314259
>112000km
enjoy your 30k miles. when it hit's 100k, it's a time bomb.
>>15314737
what happens at 100k?
>>15314737
if you don't get an maintenance/engine overhaul at 100k you're going to have a dead car.
Also, it just starts becoming a money pit.
I say just stick with your NEW CAR ffs.
>>15314768
Hey kid, thanks for the help you are dripping with automotive knowledge and there is no way you are underage. Its an honor to post along side you.
Now please kys
>>15314696
Was about to type what's essentially >>15314736
The real friendless loser is the one who can't keep friends without driving them around. If one friend needs a ride to a meeting place I'll drive them if multiple then someone else does it. Christ, this isn't a hard concept.
>>15314064
>pretty much the same.
don't flatter yourself, he is making a serious downgrade in performance and quality
>>15314696
I have had like 4 times where I needed a backseat, and that was because my girlfriend and I started working at the same office and a coworker wanted a ride home. Only high school kids "need" a backseat for their underage vaping friends. You sure as fuck don't need one in a daily driver.
>>15314270
70,000 miles is a lot harder on the Cayman's engine than 70,000 on a Camary's.
>>15314744
It goes right to your thighs
And then you blow up.
>>15315186
You really think the 2.7L is anything close to stressed? Bus rider please.
>>15315214
No, I didn't say that. I just said 70,000 miles on your average used car isn't as stressful as 70,000 on the Cayman's.
>>15314270
>70,000 miles
Isn't that about the mileage when the IMS bearing destroys the engine, essentially totaling the car?
>>15315232
Which is retarded. There are shitloads of high mileage engines out there in Boxsters with the same motor. Besides, you want to see a high stressed motor just look at the 86 high revving to over 100hp/L
>>15315255
Personally I think that issue is over hyped but at 70k it would have likely failed before then. Besides, being an '08 it has the best iteration of the bearing, albeit non replaceable if you were so inclined. No shop recommends messing with an '07-'08 bearing unless you are already in there doing clutch work or something
>>15315257
Nigger.
I just fucking said that he should get the fucking Cayman earlier in the thread.
I know 70,000 miles isn't shit to worry about yet, I just simply stated that comparing a sports car, that's probably seen its fair share of fun, to your average fucking Camary is stupid.
70,000 highway miles on your average 6 cylinder in America is not as stressful as 70,000 on a Porsche's.
>>15315306
Nobody cares about Camrys but you. We are comparing a sporty yet shitty engined brz to a cayman
>>15315117
obvs i'd rather have the porsche but that isn't a night and day difference in performance
>>15315378
truth, would be better if it was an S. regardless I think you will fall in love with the car, despite the mediocre interior of those years porsches
>>15314016
>no not really
Yes. Really. It is a superior car in every way. And it will hold value better than the toyobaru
>>15315117
>Fastest laps as a car buying guide meme
The Toyobaru is far more reliable and cheaper to run. Cheaper to maintain and cheaper to fix. If it was a Cayman/Boxster S it'd be a different story but for a base model? Fuck no, lol.
>>15315581
>Base model Porsche ever holding value
Next you'll say V6 Mustangs have good resale.
>>15314198
>>15315814
>actually defending a toyubaru
I would buy a base cayman either but i wouldnt be caught dead in a toyubaru
>>15313921
Even the 's' is meh in power. Believe me, I have driven an 09. I would even hesitate on a new onev barring the gts.
>>15316973
>>15315814
>hurr durr base model a shit
Guess how I know you've never been in, let alone shopped for a Porsche?
ive slept on it, and I still dont fucking know.
when I drive it later today, I still won't know either
how awful costly exactly is an engine rebuild gonna be on the porsche?
>>15317605
Engine rebuilds are expensive. But the maintenance can be somewhat reasonable if you find an indie euro shop. You should ask /pog/ (>>15269086) as there are a couple of Cayman owners who can prob help.
Fwiw the values look about right for both cars.
>>15317829
we got a giant porsche dealer/garage in town, but also a big porsche community, so i could hear around.
this is the car btw, are those brakes/wheels upgraded extras from porsche?
This thread is bait no Porsche owner would trade for a shit frs
>>15317869
well i might be doing it later today.
I think the main problem is that you spergs got a problem realizing a BRZ is the same league as a cayman.
Hmm.
Cayman, to me, will always be trying to be a 911.
What people buy when they can't afford the better Porsches, always trying to prove something. (besides the GT4, oh baby)
The BRZ isn't trying to prove anything. They're in pretty high demand, and believe it or not, will hold it's value (what value it has) better than a bottom tier, base spec Porsche. Keep in mind you can pick up an E60 M5 with 70k miles for $25k now.
It is still a Porsche though
>>15317903
>Cayman, to me, will always be trying to be a 911
You are a special sort of retard aren't you. They are completely different. Cayman is MR, 911 is RR. Have you ever even driven these cars, or just talking shit like a faggot on the internet?
>>15317903
I was thinking that first, hey its a porsche so it will hold its value etc.
then I suddenly remembered looking up used 944's. fucking cars are cheaper than rotten datsuns, but the parts cost bloody millions.
guessing more or less the same will happen with the cayman.
btw, the steering feel in a 911, is it in any way replicated in the cayman?
>>15317907
cayman and boxster both replicate the older 911's and how they felt. hydraulic steering feel aside maybe.
thats at least what all porsche people ever has told me.
>>15317911
A 944 is different to other Porsches, the engine is in the wrong end.
>>15317916
Cayman and boxter are completely different to 911s.
>>15317919
the MR isnt exactly RR itself either though.
and how hard is it to access the engine, and do simple shit like checking/replacing oil?
guessing changing spark plugs and stuff will be impossible because boxer.
>>15317907
t. poorfag who wipes his CPO Cayman with a diaper every night
>>15317911
Well I have a C4S at the moment, the Cayman is nice and sharp, but not quite as responsive, and more willing to oversteer vs oversteer/squeal its tires.
You feel way more planted in the 911 though, like you could sit comfortably 100mph+, while in the Cayman it just isn't as stable. (It won't rattle or shake etc. though)
>>15317930
opinion on cayman vs cayman S? would I feel suicidal pulling up next to a S?
how much work can be done to make the 2.7 faster?
IMS failure, overblown internet myth or do I need to be worried?
>>15317938
Not sure, never driven an S. I know normal 911 vs S or 4S makes you want to die though.
Don't know about any of that other stuff.
>>15317883
And there we go, bait thread confirmed
>>15314064
>2012
>falling apart
YOU FUCKING SPOILED NIGGER I'VE NEVER DRIVEN ANYTHING NEWER THAN 2002 AND DIDN'T COMPLAIN
Or is BRZ's build quality THIS fucking bad? I drive a 1997 BMW and it's pretty good
>>15317982
the core of the car is strong and is gonna last for 1000 years.
the trim is kinda shit
>>15317883
LOL
>>15317916
The Cayman is very different than a 911, but the oldest I've driven is a 993 GT2. The older 911s, I know from many people who own them, are much much more tail happy/unpredicatable than the new ones because (of course) without modern tech they don't cope as well with the engine way out back.
The Cayman is an incredibly balanced handling car due to mid rear, and while you won't win a race in a straight line (which you're clearly okay with) it handles a lot better than a BRZ.
>>15317923
Oil changes aren't bad, and the simples stuff isn't much harder if any harder than a normal car, just be sure to lay something soft over the side of the car you're leaning on.
>>15317938
IMS was an issue for the early 2000s models, the 981 generation iirc. Your car isn't at risk of that. I wouldn't feel suicidal pulling up next to an S, the car is all about the chassis and not so much about raw power. I don't know about modding, I don't know anyone who heavily modded their Cayman.
>>15317911
The devaluation isn't a big issue like the 944, those are just known for being highly problematic old cars, same with the 928. They also came out at a time where the 944 triggered purists, and that feeling kind of stayed. Since the engine isn't up front in the Cayman, that's a non-issue. The newer ones have proven to be very reliable, especially past the generation of the IMS problems. If you decide to sell in 5 years, you would make more money on the Cayman than you would on the Subaru.
t.worked at a Porsche dealership, have driven these cars, and hung around with a lot of Porsche owners and techs.
>>15318042
so chassis is identical to the S?
what about the suspension, is it common to later upgrade it, or are they perfect stock?
this porsche comes with upgraded brakes from the factory iirc, calipers were red and the discs had slits in them. wheels also seem like they're the fancier extras.
don't know what you're able to gather from >>15317864 but, yeah, gonna look at it today and take it for a drive.
thanks anyways, I need all the advice i can get before i pull the trigger on it today
>>15318140
The suspension between the regular and the S isn't different, unless the S has the active adjustable suspension, which was a pricey option for it. But a base S has the same. I know some people would put coilovers on, and beefed up sway bars and such, but most didn't see the need to do that much. The other difference is the 5-speed versus the 6-speed gearbox. They're both good transmissions, and I think the 5 is a little better at keeping things in the power band with the smaller engine, in general a good match. Not a big thing, but unless he optioned it in, it may not have the sport short throw shifter, but that's easy enough to do on your own.
The wheels and the brakes are optional extras, they're a pretty nice upgrade, I believe worth a couple thousand if optioned from the factory.
Also, if you aren't used to mid-engine, at lower revs you'll be able to hear the sound of the gear box because it's closer to you, so it's kind of a mechanical whirring or rrrrrr sound, but that isn't a problem.
Honestly, the best advice I have is to call the dealership he claims to have had the inspection done at and confirm they did it. If they haven't, have a pre-purchse inspection done. It'll cost some money, but it will be worth it in the long run. Also, see if you can get the VIN run in a VIN check thread.
>>15318196
I also commonly saw louder exhausts put on, but everyone does that with everything. I think both models sound pretty good with a louder exhaust.
Also, just about Porsches in general, my favorite I've driven aside from the 993 GT2 was a Cayman GTS. But you won't be seeing any of those cheap anytime soon haha
>>15318196
alright, honestly I don't know if I need more than 2.7l anyways, 240-250hp alone will be a substantial upgrade for me
no idea what gearbox it has, but heard rumors about it being a VW unit?
never had a MR before either, so this is gonna get exciting
>>15318215
>porsche
>vw parts
Should we tell him?
>>15318215
It is, but it's solid. iirc they're rated to something like 400 ft-lb of torque. Don't get over memed about VW.
>>15313921
In 10 years
The Porsche will still be worth the same it is today as the 2008 Cayman has already bottomed out.
The BRZ is still depreciating and it will be worth 1/10 of it's current value in 10 years.
>>15318276
thats kinda true.
but god forbid, if the porsche is your daily driver.
if that guy wants to trade a porshe for a subaru he probly knows what's going on and is trying to rip yo off
don't be an idiot, seriously porshe are seen as the best of best, what guy would want to trade it unless his is fucked up beyond repair
>>15318310
What's wrong with a Porsche as a daily driver.
I daily drove a Boxster for a couple years (including Canadian winters). It was fun to drive a car I enjoyed everyday. Only maybe twice could I not carry someone and had to ask a friend.
>>15314064
How is the BRZ practical?
Small trunk, non-existent back seat.
I'd do it, because muh MR handling and I don't really need rear seats. For a mid-engine car, they're not even bad to work on, but expect running costs to be higher than your BRZ's, both fuel and parts. Also probably insurance.
alright, I'm back.
I liked it, and took it.
now what do i do
>>15320698
Remove that gay badge on the doors.
But seriously, I'm happy for you. You definitely traded up. Just keep up the yearly maintenance and you'll be golden.
>>15313964
Sage goes in all fields nigger.
Also options clears while names remain. Call me lazy.
>>15320698
car and driver specificly said the FRS handled better than the cayman
between the two cars i honestly wouldnt want either, those are gonna be a heavy liability later on and the second had cayman market is fucking poor people who dont want to pay for a real porsche (911 turbo or gt3rs)
>>15320698
Keep it clean. Enjoy it.
Congrats on the nice car.
>>15320709
dude no i love that
always had a really soft spot for that 80's ass porsche logo since long before I was a car person.
next service is just oil and sparkplugs, the major stuff has been done already, so im good for a year or so.
not picking it up for another week or so though, gonna have some shit fixed on my BRZ first.
>>15317883
Next your gonna tell me a wrx is pretty much just like a 335
>>15320724
Car and driver is a bunch of shilling cucks.
I don't have the car yet, so I might as well share some views on the cayman and how it compares to the BRZ as im just sitting here.
first of all you can't compare them at all, they might produce similar results when driven on a track, but they're worlds apart. we took both cars down to an abandoned strip, and had a little drag race. I managed to pull the cayman a tiny bit ahead, but not a whole lot. although the impression i got from taking it from 0-100mph or so, it was a hell of a lot calmer than the BRZ, and there was barely any notion of speed.
in the BRZ it feels like you're going at twice the speed you're actually doing, in the cayman its completely the other way around.
clutch was tight and excellent, you could really feel the biting point and lots of nice feedback. steering was a fair bit heavier than the BRZ, and not as much lock was available, but as a MR i guess you don't want need that anyways.
brakes, as well as the 19 wheels, were upgraded from the factory. fade free brakes were absolutely excellent.
throttle response and shifting is honestly a bit sharper and nicer in the BRZ. shifting with the cayman was kinda mute and didn't give me much tactile feedback. but it was smooth enough and it works just fine.
all in all, I got a whiff of audi TT when I drove the first 500 yards, but it grew on me. like the BRZ, its a car that reacts to the driver.
I'll miss the BRZ, and I might even regret doing this, but I just fell in love with the porsche today.
>>15320783
sounds like you are a brand whore
>>15320698
stance it
>>15320827
will do
just one final question
how much of a fucking cock do I have to be, to drive the car around without the engine cover?
>>15314696
Compared to the 86/BRZ which has two rear seats which are useless unless someone is an amputee.
>>15313921
If nothing is wrong do it
I am considering a Cayman S as my next car, currently own an 86
