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Welcome to the /pog/, the place to post all things about your current, future, or past Porsche.
"Halp! what used Porsche can I afford?
(Prices are for sorted cars)
>Air Cooled 911?
$20K+ SC
$30k+ 3.2 Carrera
$30k+ 964
$50k+ 993
>Water Cooled 911?
$20k+ 996
$30+ 997
$60k+ 991
>Boxster
$7k+ 986
$14k+ 986 S
$20k+ 987 (+$2-5k for Cayman)
$25k+ 987 S (+$2-5k for Cayman)
Based 944
>$5000 N/A
>$10,000 Tarbo
*Disclaimer: You can buy a 944 for under a grand, but the overwhelming consensus in the community is that sorted cars cost ~$5k... so if you buy that car for under a grand when you're done it'll be around or over $5k. YMMV.
>928
$8k+
>968
$12k+
Need advice on a purchase, or tips while you're balls deep in your engine bay? Post em here bb.
Be sure to check out Rennlist, Pelican Parts, Suncoast Porsche, 944online and Clarkes-Garage. (Last two are 944 Specific)
Anyone driven a 996tt tuned for E85? How was it?
>Driving with window down
>Come to a stoplight where a mexican fellow is crossing
>"Ayy, is that a celica?"
>I can't even say anything in response.
>>15269530
On the plus side someone else shouted "Dont lose your way" further down the street.
>>15269530
>>15269543
Huehue there's a crazy old lady near me who thought mine was an old Datsun z
Track day bro
>>15270022
anon why don't you remove those stupid US SPEC black bumper guards that look like a tumor?
please
>>15270031
There's a huge hole behind them, so I think I'll just paint it over
>>15270066
You could do a fiberglass patch behind the hole then body filler, prime and paint. More effort but should look nicer.
>>15271099
Maybe next year I'll try that, but my goal for the end of this summer is to get the engine running reliably and fix my hard top so I can take it to school in New York this September
Want to get an early N/A watercooled 911/Boxster but are afraid of the infamous IMS issue? Well I'm gonna try to change your mind
>What is an IMS
The intermediate shaft has been present on Porsche flat 6 engines ever since the original air cooled 911 all the way up to the 9x7.1 generation 911s, Caymans, and Boxsters
It's used to indirectly drive the camshafts and is in charge of engine timing
>What goes wrong?
The IMS itself is perfectly fine, the problem was when Porsche switched to watercooled engines they needed a bearing on the flywheel side of the engine, and with their infinite wisdom they decided to use a sealed bearing with a lifetime grease
What happens over time to a small handful of these bearings is that the grease dries out and it fails, causing the IMS to throw the timing out of sync and grenade the entire engine in seconds
The bearing on the opposite side is lubricated by engine oil and has never been known to fail
>How often to these fail?
Engines from '97-'99 use a robust dual row bearing that has a failure rate of less than 1%, it's the engines made from '00-'04 that use a weak single row bearing that has a failure rate as high as 10%
But don't worry just yet, general consensus is that if the bearing in your car is faulty it would have failed before 40k miles
In addition the best way to keep it healthy is to actually drive your car like a Porsche should be driven; low mileage garage queens are more prone to failure
>How much would this cost me to repair?
If you have a higher mileage car I wouldn't worry too much, especially if your car has a dual row bearing
Fixes include:
>replacing the bearing with a new OEM part - $100
>IMS Guardian - $400
>replacing the bearing with an aftermarket ceramic bearing - $600
>removing the seal and adding a flange that directly feels engine oil to the bearing - $800
The last option is the only true way to fix the problem, but I personally don't feel any of this is necessary
Hope this clears up some misconception
>>15269086
>inb4 OP image triggers /hg/
>>15269086
Any /pog/gers have Youtube videos about their Porsche? I was thinking of making a series about my 944, just posting about little projects here and there. Thoughts?
>>15273849
Go for it. Don't know if you've seen Van Svenson's videos, but he has a lot of videos on assorted Porsches, mostly 944s though.
>>15273849
>>15274561
Seconding van svensons channel, he's also all over Rennlist, super helpful guy. Helped me sort out my suspension.
You should do it anon, I've been meaning to make a vid of the heater core bypass I just did.
>>15274561
oh and hey I meant to ask you in the last thread, what are the tracks you guys go to in Southeast region? i know you're based out of Road Atlanta right?
i need a trailer bad.
>>15272229
Good work on this
>>15275496
thnx bby
>I was only 9 years old
>I loved Porsche so much, I had all the die casts and posters
>I pray to Ferdinand Porsche every night before bed, thanking him for the life I've been given
>"Porsche is love" I say; "Porsche is life"
>My dad hears me and calls me a faggot
>I know he was just jealous of my devotion for Porsche
>I called him a plebian shitbox ricer
>He slaps me and sends me to go to sleep
>I'm crying now, and my face hurts
>I lay in bed and it's really cold
>Suddenly, a warmth is moving towards me
>It's Ferdinand Porsche
>I am so happy
>He whispers into my ear "I looked around but couldn't find the car I dreamt of, so I decided to build it myself."
>He grabs me with his powerful ogre hands and puts me down onto Craiglist, Carandclassic and Ebay Motors
>I'm ready
>I spread my wallet for Porsche
>He penetrates my debit card
>It hurts so much but I do it for Porsche
>I can feel my wallet tearing as my spendings on parts imported from Germany start to stack
>I push against his force
>I want to please Porsche
>He roars in a mighty roar as he fills my gas tank with his love
>My dad walks in
>Porsche looks him straight in the eyes and says "If one does not fail at times, one has not challenged himself."
>Porsche leaves through my window
>Porsche is love. Porsche is life.
>>15277807
I love this meme
>LeMans edition
>Doesn't post the legendary 956
Over 3 decades later and it's still the fastest machine around the Nurburgring with its unbeatable 6:11:13
It's also pure automotive pornography
https://youtu.be/yni-W7s3Hp4
>>15278032
You posted the wrong 956
lol at this shit
>>15279214
It's an automatic cabrio gt3rs
>>15279223
Wink
>>15279214
What happened to that thread? OP kill over embarrassment?
Would an 06-07 Cayman S be a bad idea? What am I dealing with here faggots?
Why do all porches look the same? Like frogs
>>15280393
That's racist
>>15280506
Frog lives matter
>>15280379
They're great cars on the track and on the street
They're also very practical daily drivers and actually pretty reliable if you treat them right and actually drive them
>>15273849
I only have one of my 911 without it's muffler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O3y0O_nP-w
>>15280568
Any common problems with the early models? Almost tempted to wait till 2009's are more affordable because I think they updated the infotainment system. I know it's a Porsche, but I really want some way to play music from my phone lol.
>>15280515
no anon, racist to Porsches
>>15280586
Oil separator
It's a simple fix and a $70 part but it can look like a blown head gasket
Untreated it can hydrolock the engine with oil
>>15280596
If it's 50-70k miles, is it likely the original owner already dealt with this?
>>15280608
Probably not, it happened to my Boxster at like 120k miles
It's easy to replace yourself even if you have no experience working on cars, you only need basic tools to undo the engine cover and pull off the hoses from the separator, it should all take about an hour
One thing to make sure is that it really is the oil separator that failed
When you notice the engine is pouring white smoke out of the tail pipe, try to take off the oil cap while the engine is running. If it's hard to remove any there's a huge vacuum holding it down, the separator needs replacing
>>15280838
Is it worth it to save more for the 2009 (2010?) face lift? As far as appearance, it pretty much looks the same to me other than a different steering wheel. I think there were some mechanical changes and power bump though?
>>15280916
It uses a completely different and superior engine architecture, so if you can stretch your budget to get a face lifted Cayman S I recommend it
>>15273849
I'm afraid I might be too autistic on camera
My sunroof motor is working, it spins when I press the switch, but the little arms won't push out. What do.
'87 944 btw
http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/christophorusmagazine/articleoverview/article07/
Anyone else read this?
>tfw you'll never drive a banged up 356 retrofitted with Japanese internals through Cuba
>>15283420
It's kind of insane how they had to do that out of necessity
>>15283052
http://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/body-03.htm
>Want to order fleaBay muffler to fuck around
>can get it for $250 shipped in the US
>ends up costing $500 in Canada because of shipping and import charges
When will it end?
Its not a matter of if I should.
It's matter of if I can.
Can I viably get a 944, then modify it so I can rally it?
I'm not talking taking the ol shitbox out for a spin in the dirt either, I'm talking full rallycross style minus the retarded livery.
>>15285109
A huge amount of the cost is safety equipment, it could costs thousands of dollars before you even start to work on the rest of the car to make it even remotely competitive just to get it to be allowed to run in an event
>>15284943
When the country stops being a meme
Guess what I got to drive today /pog/?!?!?!
Holy shit was it fun. Time to trade in my 911 and buy a beater DD.
More pics on my DSLR, I'll post them as soon as I can find my stupid CF adapter.
>>15286283
Now imagine that car with the naturally aspirated 4 litre flat 6 that revs to 9000 rpm and makes 500bhp from the 911 GT3
>>15286294
Hard to imagine it being any better, but that would be the only thing that would do it.
borrowing my dads 911 today as my z is getting inspected and the 944 is prepped for light surgery this evening.
>>15275295
Road Atlanta, Carolina Motorsports Park, and Roebling Road are the three main ones. I am doing my first event at Barber next month, and I try to get to VIR when I can.
>>15287341
>taking pictures while driving
ISHYGDDT
>>15284943
>Fabspeed exhaust costs $2500
>car is barely worth $5000
can yall link me to a stream or something?
>>15289407
Here ya go
https://youtu.be/U_lAmHj9oGY
>>15284943
>>15289347
niggger rig your own
>>15287436
meh it was a boring straight road, going slowly, didn't require much attention, only reason i felt ok doing it.
fuck me that car is so. good.
First for we le mans winners now
Holy fuck jap engineering
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>>15269086
GTR owner here, i have a question as i'm really considering getting my first 911, hopefully an existing owner can answer this.
Everyone gives porsche shit for having the engine behind the rear axle, but then i also hear people say how amazing they handle, so my question is...
>How well do they handle and does the AWD compensate, what else goes into making it work?
I'm coming from a car that can take corners at brutal speeds and nearly everything i hear about the 911 is positive, so i'm really looking forward to getting one, but i don't want to go in blind and fuck up because there's something inherent to the way you drive rear axle that i did not know about (like how you drive RWD differently).
So basically, can anyone tell me more about 911's?
Appreciate any and all help.
>>15293502
You can hard launch a Turbo 50+ times in a row without the car overheating and going into limp mode
>>15293553
Skyline GTR here, so no launch problems.
How strong are the older 911 drivetrains for building seriously?
I'm looking to buy a manual 911, so i've been considering an older one, are there any big problems to worry about?
>>15293502
From what I know 911s have absolutely brutal launches because of their rear-mounted engine, but because of that engine placement in corners the engine does want to try to overtake you (especially on older 911s).
They turn in really sharp, but it might be harder to recover from a slide. You'll need to adjust your driving style when you're coming from a front-engined car.
Their AWD system is really good though, so there's a ton of grip.
>>15293612
How old are we talking about?
>>15293628
Well i mean, in my GTR i've taken corners at 250+ without coming close to losing grip, so i guess i'm asking if an older porsche will slide out on me if i try and do the same thing?
I would hope not, cause i would be fitting it with the same rubber and it would also have AWD.
I can adjust my driving style if it's needed, but it would make me sad if the car's not capable of doing that as i've heard really positive things about 911 performance.
>>15293643
Was looking at the last of the air cooled, or a post 2006 one (i hear that's when the engine got better or something?
I'm new to all this, really excited but i don't wanna jump in too far before i choose what kind is best for me.
>>15293648
>>15293612
They're pretty robust, there's a reason why Porsche is always on Lexus' tail for reliability and it's not their SUVs that got them there
911s, Caymans, and Boxsters are all designed to be driven every day as well as driven hard. A 911 Turbo is viable as your only car is you wanted
>>15293648
If you expect to barrel into a corner in a 911 and have computers sort everything out for you, the forget about it
You need to manhandle 911s, especially the older air cooled ones when you're driving them at the limit. They take a lot from the driver side in order to go fast
https://youtu.be/OSMCfPASImQ
Newer ones are much more tamer, but you still need to follow the basic slow in, fast out method of taking corners to avoid spinning out and to take full advantage of the crazy amounts of traction the car has accelerating out of a corner
>>15280379
Hey, that's almost exactly my car. Different wheels.
Love my 06 CS. Fun to drive. Reliable so far after 10k miles.
>>15293661
That sounds good to me. I was thinking about getting a 964 or 993 manual + AWD and then getting it built with forged internals + turbo for somewhere between 5-600, so it's still nice and streetable but also really strong.
I was also considering getting a newer turbo S, but i like the idea of having a vintage porsche.
>>15293674
How will it compare to my GTR? It's not a 35, so it's not LOL COMPUTER mode, the only real assist it has is rear steering (hicas) above 80km/h which is very manual, you can actually feel it tugging below the car and adjust accordingly.
Do the older 911's have a mechanical feel like that? That's something i'm acquainted with in multiple cars and like, rather than having a computer controlling traction and whatnot for me.
I'm just worried about the rear axle's weight sliding me out, even with AWD and tons of grip, in the wet or something because i was not prepared for it.
Is it controllable if you know what you're doing, or can it fuck you?
>>15293706
It's a vintage Porsche, of course it'll feel mechanical
Aircooled 911s are also pretty damn expensive now days
>>15293228
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/toyota-loses-le-mans-to-porsche-in-shocking-heartbreak-1782241062
Fuck, as much of a Porsche nigger as I might be, that was genuinely heartbreaking ;_;
>>15293741
Oh they're between 100 and 200 grand where i live, but it's not like i'm unaware of the cost otherwise i would not be entertaining the idea.
I'm far more concerned with familiarizing myself with them. I'm worried that i'll come from my built GTR and the porsche won't live up to the hype (i really want it to) or worse, it will put me in a wall because rear axle.
Really hoping that's just memes and they have figured out how to compensate for weight behind the rear axle, does anyone have more information on the technical side of how that works?
>>15293767
Why not test drive one?
>>15293771
Figure i won't get a test drive of an older one (even though i can afford one) until i've paid for it, or won't be allowed to thrash it and really find out what i want to know.
Thus i'm trying to ask actual owners who have thrashed them.
>>15293779
Why not ask the sellers?
>>15293792
They're all boomers who keep them in the garage here, not even joking.
There's like 5 on carsales here.
>>15293228
doesn't even feel like a win when it's like that
>>15293228
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>>15269086
Prices for a decent 928 are way higher than that.
>>15295193
Depends on your definition of decent
I've seen prices for 928s go from a cheap as $2k to way past $30k
bampin
>>15293706
>Is it controllable if you know what you're doing, or can it fuck you?
diff anon here, but both. 911's regain grip as you accelerate on corner exit. once you get the hang of it you learn to load the front for turn in, get on the throttle asap and DO NOT LIFT.
The awd are very slightly more tame in that aspect but the older turbo's negate that tameness.
>>15297841
Well i mean, it's a rule of thumb in my GTR that i never spool around a corner, or there's no recovering and i know that, i always maintain neutral or moderate throttle and just build my speed prior to the corner.
Is it like similar to RWD when you're driving hard in that you maintain on the throttle to keep pushing yourself forward, just before the limit of where it's too much power and will send you flying (which i'm used to).
As long as it's basically "don't spool" i can easily manage that, i was more concerned about taking a corner hard, keeping on the throttle neutral and then having the rear axle come out on me before my tyres lose grip. That can't happen right?
Spot the 944
>>15300632
928 is there too
>>15293648
155 mph through a corner in a GTR without losing grip... Yeah, OK.
>>15300632
944 and 928 are the sexiest out of the bunch by far, accompanied by the first gen RX7 at best.
>>15301872
Didn't you hear? The slightest curve in the road is now a corner
>>15298602
>that can't happen right?
No not really. But if your throttle sensitivity is lacking and you lift a bit too far then yes the back will want to spin.
Go test drive a 911 you'll understand more about what I mean. It doesn't take too long to recognize the difference in how weight is moved around in the RR layout.
Don't know if I've posted this yet here
>>15290739
>trying to justify it
you know every asshole who texts and drives says the same thing to themselves, and they believe it just like you.
>>15307880
Ayy you're back
>>15308195
Yeah buddy. I need more glamour shots
Can I boost a SC?
>>15309210
im the most ignorant asshole when it comes to cars, i don't know shit about them, this is the first time i have visited this forum, and holy shit i have never been in love with a car but yo that shit reminds me of this and im like pretty hard
>>15311594
Yes you can. It's a little pricey as you have to source some 930 parts but several people have done this.
>>15311638
Its successor lapped the Nurburgring in 6:11:13 which has been the fastest time for over 30 years by a long margin
>>15311638
>>15313568
https://youtu.be/sYOHDw0p0WQ
>400 km/h
>>15311638
here m8
https://youtu.be/Y0lQLPUTFa8
>>15315766
animu
I don't know the first thing about porsches, but I've been offered a 2007 Cayman 2.7 in trade for my 2013 BRZ
porsche is at 70.000 miles/112 000km
BRZ is at 38.000km
I'm gonna go look at the porsche today. guy wanting to trade is a good friend of my dad, so nothing shady is going on, but I'm kinda worried about future repair costs and the IMS bearing shit.
Whats your opinion? Should I?
>>15280379
>gayman next to a cayman.jpg
>>15318126
Look for a Cayman S
Miata expert here, I know next to nothing about Porsches. I want a 986, but what model with what engine and year is best? I want to try something mid engine and I do know a lot about boxer engines due to owning a Subaru and shit, but what is the most reliable and bulletproof one? I know it's not a Toyota, but I am pretty skilled with a wrench, having maintained a few 300zx TT's and Maserati biturbos. Appreciate the input.
>>15318772
Regarding the IMS see
>>15272229
New Panamera looks beautiful.
>>>15321141
>>15321190
Am I the only one who thinks it looks the same?
And I didn't really think the old one was ugly, just boring
Ded thred
>>15324458
It's OK, the Porsche drivers are out actually driving instead of arguing over stupid bullshit. When someone has something of value to add, they'll come back and we'll all rejoice.
>>15324541
>>15287425
Barber is my home track. It's got aggressive cornering but is surprisingly easy on your brakes. Be sure to check out the museum if you're in to motorcycle and/or auto time history. There's a lot if Porsche guys out there, too.
>>15287425
Right on man, VIR is my home track so I'm just out of that region. everybody in mid atlantic is in miatas or e30's but the prices are pretty severe.
https://www.instagram.com/dorian_alfa/
Pumb
>>15329398
Amazing how that thing is worth like 300 grand now.
>>15330959
Will the bubble ever burst?
Anybody got the picture of boxter pizza delivery car?
>>15331147
I know what picture you're talking about but I can't find it anywhere
>>15327753
It actually looks pretty cool with a matching top
Hey guys,
How hard would it be to get a 3.2 or a 964 in Canada?
How expensive is the maintenance/insurance on one of these? I make roughly 80K CAD and I'm not sure if that is enough. I would like to finally be buy my dream car.
Thanks.
>>15332857
>Spending at least half your income on a weekend car
Anon that's a legitimately terrible idea
>>15330959
yeah, that specific one actually is for sale kinda
pic related.
>>15334735
What the actual fuck, last time I saw these thing they wee going for $170k and that was already insider's overpriced, these fuckers are you of their minds
The 993 Turbo isn't even air cooled, it's actually water cooled like the 959, but you'll never see these people mentioning that
4 grand is a good price for a garage queen 944 right?
>>15336151
Don't knowuntil you drive it
>>15336236
It's up in Virginia and I'm down in Texas but it is the best price I can find for one that appears to be dailyable. Dealer says it's in working order.
>>15336321
Check how long it's been up on sale for. If it's been a while it could be worth it since they're probably just looking to get rid if it
>>15336321
Where in VA?
>Richmond, VA 944bro reporting
Anyone have that pic of the pink(if i remember right) Porsche that had japanese and the rising sun on it?
>thinking about getting a cayman GT4
I honestly think that the GT4 looks infinitely better than a 911.
>dat wing
they cost the same
would i be paying for the 911 name? which is better for a weekend/travel car?
both go 0-60 in 4.1
would i be missing out on anything for going with the cheaper, but upgraded gt4 as opposed to a 911 carrera?
>>15339066
Good luck finding a GT4, pretty sure most of them sold out within minutes
If you do manage to find one it'll have a mark up on it
It isn't even comparable to the 991 Carrera because it's a hardcore track car that uses suspension bits from the 991 GT3 and the base model Carrera is just a sporty grand tourer
Thing is prices on those are probably going to go up since it's the best version of the last naturally aspirated flat 6 Caymans and Boxters
Bump for Ferdinand
>>15338263
You'll never see a 993 like this again because of how over priced they are
>m-muh 993 Turbo that I bought for $30k is totally worth $300k!
>air cooled mustard race!
>>15334735
makes me wonder what kinda of cuck they think will buy that. I can get a faster/better 911 for 45k
>>15343688
>hurr water cooled durr fried eggs
>>15331072
If it doesn't in like ten years when all the 65 year old autistic investor collectors start dying off, then it never will.
>>15344190
RWB destroying all the good cars will just push the price of the remaining ones even higher
981 Cayman S Yes or No?
Heard it's the best sports car for the money
>>15346641
Do it.
>>15346641
Yes
>>15346641
Buying new? You may be able to get a lightly used 981 Cayman GTS for the same price
>>15349320
Why?
>>15349325
Laguna Seca noise restrictions. It’s common for people to put a curved exhaust tip pointing away from the sound booth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkZYVj89fA0
I've been binging on Magnus Walker stuff, and I know I can't afford a air cooled 911. Are 914s good or does their Volkswagen blood doom them?
>>15349533
They're kinda slow. The flat 6 versions are faster but they use the garbage 2.7l
There's a guy here that used to race them in the 80s or something
>>15349795
I own a Miata, I don't have much further to fall.
>>15349352
that poor AMX
>>15349923
Take a look at Boxsters
>>15349352
Disgusting
I've had my miata for a couple of years and it's starting to get a little old.
How is the fun factor of a 944? The miata used to tickle my ballsack every time I took it for a drive, but it just isn't quite doing it any more. I'll see if any pop up at a dealership so I can go and test drive one, but I would feel bad about taking someone's car out on a drive with no intention of buying that particular one. Has anyone here driven both?
>>15352821
Get a 944 turbo (951). The 944 and the miata are basically the same car, so if you want something more, get a 951
>>15352821
944 is a blast but is the same experience as a Miata for the most part like >>15352956 said. But the 951 is a genuinely fast car that handles the same.
>>15321190
I hate these things, it doesn't help that all the owners I've met are Tai Lopez clones
>>15352821
A Naturally Aspirated 944 won't feel that much different than a Miata, except it'll hurt your wallet more
Does anyone here have a cayyene or a macan?
>>15358573
lol no
>>15349326
>GT3 RS
>Pay more for less!
Ded thread
>>15363445
ded general
>>15314704
Hory shet
>>15269086
Only if these prices were accurate in here...
Just replace $ mark with € and add 10 000€ to each vehicles price and we are close.
>>15365111
>living in not-America
Just did this today instead of fixing actual problems. Feels good
>>15365612
that is indeed better than fixing actual problems. looks good.
>>15365612
I'd do this if it weren't for lolflat6
>>15349795
Uh, no. 914s had a 2.0L flat 6. A few experimental 3.0L flat 8 versions were built with the mill from the 908 race car.
>>15366985
My bad, the 356 owner who used to race them used the 2.7l engines in them
