Why don't you faggots cum buckets over this car like you do the miata? It's literally the same car.
>4 cylinder
> rwd
because its not a roadster
and /o/ loves roadsters.
>miatas are roadsters
>>14968555
And don't forget
>Slow
>>14968555
It's almost like there's more time a car than drivetrain
>>14968572
so is the S2000, but /o/ hates that car too
>>14968555
I'd like it alot more if it wasn't a flat 4
it has too much torque compared to the miata..oh my bad I mean miat.
>Why don't you faggots cum buckets over this car like you do the miata?
Have you not noticed that we do?
>>14968555
>two grand more expensive than a V6 Challenger
>for 100 less horsepower
>less economical
>worse aesthetics
Gay.
>>14968626
>Challenger
>worse aesthetics
You should get your eyes checked, brev
>>14968637
I'm not the one who can only see his boyfriend's belly button with a cock jammed half way to my stomach.
>>14968588
>implying /o/ hates the s2k
a big problem is the late of tuning or aftermarket potential for the engine, at least reliably, forced induction is very hard on that poor motor
>>14968588
since when?
>>14968717
Since the board was created? /o/ doesn't like any cars. Even the Mata get loads of hatred.
Personally, I don't understand why you'd buy a Miata when you could have a Dodge Omni for less. Way more fun.
>>14968555
just because its a 4banger doesnt make it good.
its a shoddy boxer with zero potential stuck in a body that weighs too much.
>>14968588
the s2000 has a good motor.
makes 30 more hp, 20 more tq, 500 more rpm and sounds beter.
the closest competator to an s2000 is a lotus
the closest competator to a brz is a hyundai
>>14968750
Where I live, good luck FINDING an Omni.
>>14968555
It would literally be perfect with a regular fucking engine and a higher trim level with a turbo.
>rwd
Well there's your problem
>>14968626
Toybaru is a million times more reliable and doesn't handle like a cruise ship
>>14968750
Dodge omni over a miata?
Are you on fucking bath salts?
>>14968555
Please do not let this become a meme.
Mfw i fixed my 86 by putting a turbo on it
>>14968757
>shoddy boxer
2reliable4u?
>>14968555
ugly
factory boy racer
$10k too expensive
scion
>>14969483
Will never understand why people bitching about the lack of power, etc. don't take into consideration throwing in a turbo themselves. It's /o/'s perfect car with a turbo
/o/ has no problem bitching about this car because they can't afford it even though the ND is priced similarly
>>14969563
because that costs money and voids warranties
everything on /o/ has to be viewed through the lens of a NEET poorfag
>>14969568
I would never pay more than $20k for a miata and all the NDs around me are $30k
>>14969572
That explains the common criticism here "it's a crap car because it's new, and I don't see the point of a new car because they cost more".
>>14968750
http://detroit.craigslist.org/mcb/cto/5529217629.html
>>14968600
this, I'd rather have an actual toyota power plant in the Scion/Toyota
>>14969563
This. I bought the base model, paid 8k for a turbo kit that looks mint as fuck. Put it on myself because im no scrub and got it tuned. Got an additional 80rwkw out of it from 8psi and its been on a lot of hard track days since. Over 50,000km with the turbo on no issues
My Co worker leased one of these in automatic, and his payments are nearly 400/month. He has no desire to learn how to drive stick (even though I said I'd teach him) and claims that with modern transmissions the auto is just as good/fun as a stick. Also has at least two frs t shirts. All my Co workers think he drives a fast sports car.
>>14969578
I would so put my 7 in her tune
the main reason is that the miata has been around for 25+ years while the frs/brz has only been out for 4 years and there aren't $2000 shitbox version for sale used.
Toyota should've stuck a fucking 2ZZ-GZE with a dry sump in it - lightweight supercharged 4 banger with 225-250 hp depending on tune, and the dry sump would've let them sit the engine lower than the flat-4 as well as solving the 2ZZ's oil pump failure issues.
>>14969721
dry sumps are expensive, maintenance intensive, and optimized for continuous flat-out driving.
if they worked in the situation you describe, then nearly all commuter engines would already use them as well.
if the 2ZZ was viable with a dry sump, then a dry-sumped flat-4 would be, too.
nice dream though.
Soon.
>>14968588
since when you fucking nigger
the s2000 is the benchmark for a good car
>>14969827
They're expensive and require more moving parts, sure, but why do they require more maintenance? If they put it in a good spot, it'd be easier to drain and fill an oil tank separate from the engine.
Main reason I suggested it though is because the 2ZZ's oil pump blows up above 8500 rpm.
Hell, if I could find a cheap 86 rolling shell, I'd try putting a 2ZZ or 3S-GTE in it mgself. Shit would be cash.
There's just too many things off with the car
The torque dip sucks but if it's not there MPG is dreadful
Lack of turbo sucks but if its implemented it'd be competing in a whole different tougher pricing bracket where it would not survive
The backseats are nice but they're unusable outside of extra trunk space
The tires are meant for fun but you need to change them out asap unless you want a front end collision because lmao nogrip
Pricing sucks for what you get but it is competitive with other cars out right now
Putting in a turbo or supercharger of your own seems like no brainer but the engine, while pretty reliable on it's own, is not bullet proof and theres been plenty of reports of them grenading after 10k+ miles with forced induction
The engine is just simply a failure
I'd rather go for the more wholesome choice of a miata, which doesn't really have any of these problems. And the RF is a pretty convincing argument for people who don't like roadsters
>>14968555
Because it's better than their precious gay icon in almost every way.
Wait a few years for used models to become dirt cheap and then /o/ will start worshipping it
>>14970143
What I want to know is how will it compare against a Fiat 124 Turbo. Will those engines be able to stand some higher boost tuning? I think the 124 looks way nicer than either meme car, too.
>>14968555
Because most can't afford it.
Just give it a few more years, like until 2019 or 2020 when the car is worth £6k or so. It'll become well received on /o/.
>>14968555
https://youtu.be/K0CrVAvhh_0
>>14970203
that engine has been used in the Abarth 500 since 2008 (exhaust is different though). It has been modified, used in competition for all this time, so the parts and kow how already exist.
And Fiat has offered sold various special editions of the 500 with up to 190hp.
>>14970009
I bought a 05 Corolla Sportivo with 2zz-ge (aus spec 141kw) for 6400 last year. Its a fun little car, I love how basic, but solid it feels while being a fun car to chuck around.
>>14970242
If they're not horrendously marked up in price for the Australian market, I might get one in the next few years.
I'm sick of owning shitty old high mileage cars with gross interiors and numerous problems, but there's so few new cars on the market that appeal to me right now.
becuse
>shit teir boxer engine
>>14970402
How expensive is it in Australia? Australia is quite close to Japan, so it should be cheaper than it is in the UK no?
It's about £24k new £13k used (3years old)
>>14970691
I have no idea how much the 124 is, but Toyota 86s go for AU$20-25 grand used, 30-36 new.
If I could get a 124 Turbo for similar prices I'd probably go for it, even though I hate being in debt.
Lads
Help me
>>14970502
tl;dr hooned the fuck outta my 86 for years now the transmission is fucked.
want to take it to toyota udner warranty but afraid their computer data shit will reveal how badly I thrash the car and won't cover it
>>14970718
When you say you badly thrashed the car, you misshifted? You overreved? What exactly did you do?
Is this copypasta?
It's copypasta.
Right?
Is this copypasta?
It's copypasta.
Right?
Is this copypasta?
It's copypasta.
Right?
>>14970691
>Australia is quite close to Japan, so it should be cheaper than it is in the UK no?
That's not how domestic automotive markets work, no.
>>14968588
/o/ likes the S2K, moron, especially the glorious F20C.
>>14970824
Please elaborate anon, I'm interested.
>>14969857
Fucking gross. I'm so glad I bought an MY14
>>14968640
sux to be you
>>14968555
Lol who cares what these fuckwits think..
Every single motoring journalist worldwide loves the toybaru. These aren't faggots who ride the bus and post on a Malaysian backgammon forums, they're professionals who drive EVERY single car on the market and give their unbiast educated opinions.
Yes it doesn't have 500hp and wont win many drag races, but it's the first 4 cyl rwd car that's affordable in like 20 yrs.. The miata when new are fucking rip offs and due to the 86 Mazda have had to drop their price on the mx6/miata to compete.. Also fiat are bringing out the fiata. The 86 has reignited a completely dead genre of cars. Most of you little faggots are too young or too american to have even experienced the early 90s surge of Japanese sports cars.. They were glorious days and until the 86 were dead and gone.
I'm totally unbiast as I don't have an 86 and probably wouldn't buy one as I have different priorities but fucking hell anyone who says the 86 is a shit car is clearly not an enthusiast and a filthy fucking ignorant casual. Even if the car isn't your cup of tea you should be able to appreciate what it stands for and how it has given hope to the future for production sports cars.
God im mad as hell and reminded why I stopped coming here.. Barely any of you are actual enthusiasts or even car owners. You're a bunch of fucking twats.
Cya cunts
>>14970740
fucking just non stop racing around streets taking corners at high speeds keeping it in high rpm range constantly
>>14970942
Take it to Toyota. If you didn't overrev, keeping the car near the redline isn't enough to invalidate the warranty.
>>14970866
think its bad
>>14969857
keeps getting worse and the ride never ends
>>14968600
So fucking this. Tbh its the same reason I don't go for Subis in general, I don't like flat-4s. :/
>>14970125
>The back-seat are nice but they're unusable outside of extra trunk space
all the ones I've seen the front seats are too low to the floor so to sit in the back you have to splay feet out sideways like a duck
>>14970538
>thinks his blatantly wrong opinions matter
>>14969650
Sooooo you spent 35k on a toyobaru?
>laff
>>14970143
THIS IS A MADE UP INFOGRAPHIC YA DIP
>>14970914
>every single motoring journalist worldwide loves it
Then why does it take less than 3 seconds to find literally 2 pages of results from automotive journalists saying its a shell of would it should and could be, has crap tires, and is overpriced.
Oh but hey them saying its "fun" is the same as lauding the entire car as a soaring success, ya faggot.
>>14968555
Would've been a sexy convertible
It's not cheap
>>14971307
it took me seconds to google reviews and literally find a full page of high ratings saying its a great car, minus small cosmetics and issues with interior rattle.
Keep on trollin'
>>14968757
>stuck in a body that weighs too much
Why do people keep saying this? It is lightweight for compared to everything else. Its less than 100 lbs heavier than the Fiesta ST. The only car that is that much lighter is the miata
>>14971403
Miata RF is going to end up making some people butthurt when they see how much that hardtop convertible roof adds.
>>14971525
like 100-150 lbs?
>>14971287
That table is proof that 4chan will literally parrot lies all day without question
>>14968555
it has a really shitty power curve for one
>>14972052
its the same falseflagging retard posting them every day ya dip, and it never fails to get responses
>>14971287
Awww another butthurt homofag that can't face the truth.
>>14972054
this aggravates my autism but it is probably not relevant at all if you are taking every gear to redline
>>14972054
>1 extra hp @ 3300-3600
Perfect
>>14971287
Every number in that checks out. It's 100% real, dickwad. Google them.
>>14968555
Not just any 4 cylinder... Its a garbage boxer 4cylinder. Wouldve been beter with an inline 4
>>14971274
2poorfag4me
>>14972054
Shouldn't the BRZ be putting out 201HP. Why is it putting out 173?
>>14973026
You cant be this stupid
>>14973026
It's a made up graph.
>>14968555
Not a convertible.
Can't see the wind rustle my boyfriends hair.
>>14968750
>finding an Omni or any of the other 80's turbo Mopars
Yeah good fucking luck.
>>14972235
Its literally built to drive hard. People casually drive it through traffic shifting at 4k and complain it has no power. Take it to the track and you wont feel that way
>>14973043
Instead of being insulting, could you explain to me what's happening in the graph?
>>14973026
At the tire, not the crank
>>14972054
Honestly I fail to see the problem. People who don't drive cars ever, or don't understand rpm will see the dip and go whoa, that's not good. But people who are aware of how cars work know that 4 cylinders like to rev high. When you're on the gas you'll be above the dip. It's that simple. Ask anyone who's tuned it out, I bet they're not much faster around a track than they were before, but their fuel economy has gone to shit and they won't pass emissions.
>>14970143
>benchracing the Miata and 86
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>>14970861
In Australia we still have a couple of manufacturers building cars locally. Cars from Korea and Japan are still treated as imports and are taxed accordingly.
I don't know what the situation will be once Holden and Toyota stops production of their locally made models, but I'm hoping a cut to import taxes and 'luxury' taxes will happen. It's stupid to keep taxes that were made to protect local industry when we don't HAVE a local industry.
>>14968555
>/o/ is one person
Ok
>>14968780
But the flat four is a regular engine...
>>14968555
>pigfat
>underpowered
>ovepriced
because of that.
>>14973703
t. poorfag
It wasn't made for racing Mustangs at the lights.
>>14973726
>t. poorfag
>Everybody that doesn't like it is poor or rides a bus
Come up with something new, faggot. I like nice things, old or new. The BRZ isn't.
>>14968555
because you can buy a good working miata for about 2-3k which is a normal price for a 4 cylinder, the other is double the price and pretty much the same thing, do you guys really care that much about how you look?
>>14968555
the fact that i see 18 yr olds driving it make me sick and not want it. i did drive one once and it was terrible very cramped and felt like a corolla interior, if i had to choose id rather get a fiesta st and give up rwd
>>14973902
Around here a 2-3k miata is a ticking time bomb. Good luck finding anything under 5 that's worthwhile.
Also why are you comparing a fucking ancient Miata to a new car?
>>14973930
>very cramped
Lard-ass detected
>>14973791
>complains about pricing of cheap sports coupe
>not a poorfag
>>14974140
im 180 6 2 it was too small for me and i guess you already realized it has a shit interior
>>14973703
>pigfat
Compared to a bike, yeah
>underpowered
Not on the track
>ovepriced
Just buy more money
>>14974178
I find it comfy as fuck and im only slightly shorter than you. Plenty of headroom if you adjust the seat down and the controls are still within arms reach. I prefer going on ling trips in it with even with the coilovers compared to my boat 09 forester. I should have shelled for leather seats in the forester
>>14974141
realizing that the brz is a bad value doesn't mean you're poor.
>>14968555
because its a underpowered, pigfat, cant turn, fuccboi car
>actually falling for the 86 maymay
>>14974248
What's a better value sports coupe?
>>14974287
>lets see
miata
s2k
m2
boxster
>>14974461
>asks for coupe
>gives him 3 roadsters
>>14974461
Aside from the miata their new prices were all more than the toyobaru. But they are also all convertibles not coupes
>>14968555
i'm looking to getting one in 3 more years when the price sinks a bit and there's more aftermarket around it.
>>14968555
>literally the same car.
holy shit
you faggots actually responded to this thread
you read the OP... AND THEN ACTUALLY TOOK THE BAIT
> the miata? It's literally the same car.
LMAO
ELL
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>>14974461
>spends +50k on an m2.
>worth 30k in 5 years.
>still can't beat a stock alpha camaro ss
because it is shit
its not the same car, its heavier, slower and is for cuckolds
>>14970143
not on my watch you cuckolded son of a bitch
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-mazda-mx-5-vs-2015-subaru-brz-comparison/
>1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qL9mmBW4I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC4xAArXCTY
>miata is faster
>>14974697
A v6 mustang is faster than both, what is your point?
These cars were never meant to make lap records you benchracing neckbeard
>>14974723
the point is that toyobaru fangirl is a faggot cuck and the world must know it
>>14974729
Takes a cuck to know a cuck
![1405289789131[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/5ppt0n6.png "1405289789131[2].png")
>>14974739
stay mad the toybaru is shit, cuck
>>14974723
>attempting logic on /o/tists
>>14969658
race him
I always thought /o/ hated the Miata; that only a select few knew the handling capabilities of the Eunos Roadster, unmatched to any other FR in its league.
>>14974461
I can buy a maserati 3200gt for 20k. Thats with a twin turbo ferrari engine. I still wouldnt even list it as "better value" against a toyobaru because its not relavent. If people only ever bought used cars the auto industry would crumble
>>14974739
>reflection doesnt touch projection
Triggered
>>14974777
STOP TRIGGERING ME ANON
>>14974501
>>14974527
implying they dont have hardtop versions
>>14974645
>Thinks straight line is everything
>Thinks muscle = alpha
>Thinks amerifat grocery getter doesn't depreciate
>>14969650
Serious reply: could you tell us me more about this? Are you enjoying the car more now? How much did you drive it before you put the turbo on? 0-60? Putting a turbo on an 86 DOES seem like it would become the perfect car, why haven't they done it factory yet
Just because it similar to a miata doesn't mean it's the same. The only miatas people cum buckets for are the older ones because they are cheap and fun. The frs is still fairly new a costly. Same goes if you get a new Miata obviously if people want to stpend the money they get what ever the hell they want. No one with money to blow is gonna give a shit about a Miata.
>>14974937
>why haven't they done it factory yet
Why would subaru want to cannibalize WRX sales?
>>14974929
Camaro wins in more than just straight line
Alpha is the chassis name, not a /fit/ reference
The camaro will depreciate, but it also doesn't cost 55k
>>14974937
I wouldnt say im enjoying it more, im just enjoying it a different way than i did when it was NA. I will say its more practical because i can put my foot down at 3k rpm in 5th and actually gain speed insteaf of having to gear down so its up past 5k and the feau-vtec kicks in
I put it on after 20,000kms
Not sure on 0-60 never timed it
Ive met Tetsuya Tada several times (chief engineer of the 86 project) and i have asked him when i showed him mine but he always maintains the car was supposed to be an affordable platform. He had mentioned he was open with a few tuners about technical specifications that were interested in improving it in their own ways, he enjoys that himself because he personally enjoys seeing the different ways people have expanded on his design
>>14968750
>omni
But all the Dodge K cars have fallen apart and rusted away
>>14970718
Doing what the car was intended for isn't against the warranty. If they want to give you shit for it just tell them that.
>>14968588
Except that the S2000 is actually fast and top reliable at the same time
>>14977469
Since when is the s2000 fast?
86s are solid cars, especially when compared to mustangs or Genesis coupes
>>14970866
checkin those numbers
>>14970143
Oh fuck the numbers are right.
>>14972054
Beside the torque dip, wouldn't the 173 hp at the wheels be true with any car? Wouldn't the miata put out like only 130? Supposedly the torque can be fixed with a tune
>>14977487
I like the both cars both the s2000 is defiantly faster than the 86
I've notice two type of people on /o/ hate the 86.
1. Miatafags who think the miata is the godmachine and nothing else competes
2. Musclefags who hate japanese cars in general
>>14968588
The s2k is loved here because it's a great car.
>>14977955
Not really.
I started in an AW11, moved to an NB, then onto an E36, then a FD. I hate the 86.
I didn't have a problem with them when they came out, in fact I was happy that something like that was available. I believed all the glowing reviews too. Then I went and drove one and realized it is a coupe miata. Okay I am past that point and need more performance but I'm still glad this is out there. Then I started interacting with the 86 owners... and that is when I started to passionately hate the car.
I hate the 86 by itself. I hate that the automotive community is so stupid, and so terrible at driving that it represents a god machine to them.
>>14979834
I think the term god machine just comes from it being what everyone asked for, a hard top miata.
>>14980242
people seem to think its actually fast though, or that it can easily be built into a world beater
>>14980812
I have yet to see this anywhere to be honest.
>>14980904
>i have yet to see anybody being an 86 fanboy
>posting on /o/
pick one
>>14980242
But its slow like the miata and the new miata comes with a hardtop convertible.
>>14970538
This. I don't need an oil guzzling engine.
>>14981369
Liking the car and thinking it's a performance monster are two different things.
>>14968555
My s10 is a 4cyl rwd
Your point?
>>14981493
Literally this thread: >>14981469
Try a little harder next time.
>>14977945
miata has a lot less drivetrain loss
