>RWDlards think 2800lbs is "light"
How does it feel knowing that an FRS weighs just as much as a 2016 Honda Civic Sedan, which is twice its size?
I just don't understand how this car weight what it does, especially in light of the new Miata showing what's possible even with current regulations.
It is light.
My 30 year old Skyline sedan about that
>>14111444
Because the 86 is older, and slightly bigger and has actual backseats (whether someone other than children or women can fit there is a different story)
>which is twice its size
166.7" vs 182.3"
69.9" vs 70.8"
50.6" vs 55.7"
>>14111455
What do seats weight? Not that much. There's no excuse.
>>14111435
ITT: OP is mad because he is so poor he can't even afford an 86
>>14111478
You'd be surprised how much modern seats weigh.
The front seats in a GT-R are 60kg, back seats maybe 15kg
I'm sure the front seats in the 86s are at least 30kg
>>14111490
Are there 500 pounds of seats or did Toyota just fuck up?
>>14111489
nais cars
>>14111435
>Comparing weight between a fwd economy car, and a rwd sports car.
>>14111497
heated electrc seats are heavy.
Plus Mazda went full autistic with the NC and chaved weight off everythign possible. Makes sense they would carry that over to the ND which has an even lighter platform still.
>>14111490
We're just talking about the back seats (vs. a 2-seater Miata). The back seats in an FRS weigh fuck all: it's everything else that's pigfat.
>>14111529
So why didn't Toyota/Subaru, going to the trouble to come out with a small rear wheel drive cheap sports car (a la the Miata), not "go autistic" and figure out how to make it light? (since that's the whole point of a car like that; otherwise you're better off with a Mustang/Camaro where they put the money into the engine).
The FRS doesn't do either thing right: it's not the bang-for-buck power of the Mustang/Camaro, and not the light litheness of the Miata.
the new miata is only about 2300lbs.
>>14111551
I don't mind the pigfat
>>14111508
Why not? Sports cars should be light. That's part of the point.
>>14111576
You know it's much easier making a lightweight fwd car than a lightweight rwd car right?
The frs is the lightest rwd car In production that has more than 2 seats.
>>14111435
>tfw no 2300 pound coupe
I don't know this feel
>>14111585
>more than two seats
>>14111585
>The frs is the lightest rwd car In production that has more than 2 seats.
True, but I think this says more about lack of interest in 4 seater sports cars.
>>14111508
And yet my fwd box handles better and goes faster
>>14111585
Yeah, so the comparison is valuable because it highlights that particular weakness of the 86 relative to your average hot hatch. You get rwd handling, but gain some weight.
>>14111497
Airbags and sensors for them to be dual stage add weight.
>>14111585
>The frs is the lightest rwd car In production
No.
>that has more than 2 seats.
Ah, that added stipulation that Toyobaru fans rabidly cling to like their back seats are actually useful.
Curious: what is the lightest +2 seat RWD sports car?
I thought maybe it was the Evora but that thing is fucking +3000 lbs!
>>14111643
I use my seats at least once a month.
Sorry you don't have any friends anon
>>14111656
Miata
>>14111662
>Miata
+2 seat, i.e. 4 seat
>>14111663
I already said...it's the frs
>>14111662
>Less space than the backseat of a Tacoma
>seat pushed all the way frontwards and the 12 y/o girl can still barely sit back there
Hah gotteeeeeeem!
>>14111656
Almost certainly some sort of kit.
>>14111435
>driveshafts weigh something!
who knew
>>14111673
What point are you trying to make anon?
The FRS is quite a bit lighter than the Rx-8 (with Mazda's secret sauce), although it's also much less a proper 4-seater.
>>14111489
>still has the chrome bits on the fender accent.
It'll look better without, or in black to match the wheels on a Series.Blue since there's no sliver/chrome anywhere else on the car.
>>14111738
>silver/chrome
And, no, inside the headlights/taillights doesn't count.
>>14111738
Sti garnish is best garnish
>>14111643
>their back seats are actually useful.
Cheaper insurance and room to throw shit when you have another person in the car without needing to open a separate compartment.
The ability to move more people in the even of an emergency, and a necessitated longer chassis improving stability.
>>14111444
It's bigger and cheaper.
>>14111565
It was targeted at a more casual audience who will daily drive them through all 4 seasons, unlike most Miata owners who buy them to just park in the winter or drive once a week.
It's just a modern RWD Celica
>>14111656
McLaren F1? I can't be assed to look up the actual weight but I imagine it being pretty fuckin light
>>14111565
this >>14111780
>>14111435
who thinks 2800 is light? my Ion redline is 2800 and change and its a fucking saturn baka
>>14111799
It's also ten years older.
>>14111799
People who live in 2015 and see modern sports cars weighing 1600kg+
>>14111763
brushed/satin is definitely better than the chrome
but the hyper blue version with it and the side mirrors blacked out looks pretty good with darker wheels
>>14111489
Lmao why would you want one, the miata is better looking and faster with 50 less horsepower,, Toyota doesn't even know how to make a good chassis or engine
>>14111811
The hyperblue is gross compared to WRB
Unless you have a smurf fetish
>>14111814
>the miata is better looking
this is your opinion
>and faster with 50 less horsepower
after you've spent $4-5K more than a base GT86
It's fine that you like the MX-5. But I don't understand why you have to shit on another car to justify your preference.
>>14111834
It's not that bad. And you could put Gulf Oil livery on it easily as well.
>>14111842
>But I don't understand why you have to shit on another car to justify your preference.
welcome to /o/
>>14111867
>welcome to /o/
>where hating cars is mandatory
Is the ND filled with helium or something?
In >2015 its (low) weight is just off the charts. The Alfa 4C weight more and is built out of carbon fibre, doesn't have power steering... And of course the Miata is much less than half the price.
>>14111435
>mfw civic fags thing their car is light
If it's over 1900lbs it's a landwhale
>>14111865
It's bad when you consider the hyperblue is 29k and offers almost nothing over a brz limited.
At least the series.blue came with a STI lip kit.
>>14111814
The ND is ugly as fuck and only faster than the 86 because mazda put sticky tyres on the MX5 whereas the 86 still uses weak shit.
The MX5 is also so much more expensive you can do an LS swap on the 86.
>>14111662
that set is strangely erotic
>>14111952
A cute!
>>14111478
Seats, Passenger restraints, airbags, structural differences, fold down seat. Yeah, more than just seats there moron.
>>14111948
Brz $25,395
Frs $26,100
Miata $24,915
At first I thought you were making a $500 and an afternoon joke, But now I realize you're just stupid.
>>14111971
>>14111987
The base doesn't even have a factory LSD. You have to buy a 29k miata club to be faster than a stock frs
>>14111991
lewd
>>14111948
>The MX5 is also so much more expensive
Not in this country.
MX5: £18,495 - £24,295
BRZ/GT86: £22,495 - £25,495
>>14112003
A UK base spec MX5 is slower than a base spec BRZ. I just paid £19k for my delivery miles BRZ, to get the 1.8 MX5, I'd have to part with the full £25k for a faster MX5.
Plus, who wants a fucking convertible in the UK? You get about 4 days in june when you can actually fucking use it.
>>14112026
You only need to buy an SE-L, which is £20,095. More convertibles are sold in the UK than anywhere else in europe.
>>14111998
>LSD's make you go faster Forza says so
>>14112050
>You only need to buy an SE-L, which is £20,095.
Still over £1k more than I paid for the BRZ, and they were happier to do a deal with me on my Clio 197, Mazda didn't give a fuck about a part-ex.
>>14112063
>being so desperate you include part-ex discount into the price.
hurr durr the MX5 was -£5000 when I part-exed my M3
>>14112075
I didn't include a part ex in the price, if I did, I paid £14k for the BRZ. The car was advertised at £19k because subaru have been doing a shit load of deals on them recently.
>>14112054
Literally the stupidest post ever made on 4chan.
Congratulations.
>>14112003
>>14111987
For a 2L MX5 you're paying $4k more in aus.
>>14112095
A LSD wouldn't make you go faster in a car that has barely enough power to break traction. It would help a little in bad weather but other than that it's unnecessary.
>>14112104
Once again, you prove yourself to be the single stupidest posted on 4chan.
>>14112111
>ur dum
Nice counter argument.
>>14112114
Why would i bother to make a good argument against someone so retarded they've probably gone off to lick a doorknob half way through this post?
>>14112149
>having no argument
>>14112111
well why don't you explain how's he wrong
>>14112149
>can't into counter argument
>ad hominem attacks, even when presented with (non confrontational) opportunity to make your point
Ftfy
baka desu senpai
>>14112249
>>14112173
>>14112181
This is /o/.
I don't need to explain a thing because anybody who has ever driven a car knows how retarded this is.
>>14112258
>when in reality I had no idea what was I talking about so now I'm stuck here
>>14112271
I'm not the retarded cunt trying to argue that an LSD does not make a car faster.
I could smear myself with shit and make 'NYAAAAAH' noises and still wouldn't match your level.
>>14111435
>2016 Honda Civic Sedan
It's still a 2016 Honda Civic Sedan
>>14112281
>but yeah I'm still more right than you will ever be
>>14112281
Literally could've just hit up Wikipedia, but now you look like a fucking retard.
>>14111444
It's almost like the frs came put before the miata ND.
>>14112314
>>14112285
Or i could literally remind you retards you're arguing on the side that states that an LSD does not make a car faster.
>>14112104
....do you not understand what an LSD does? It's going to allow for a better launch as well as give you more control if the rear end slides out.
>can't break traction because there's no fucking power
>THE LSD KEEPS ME FROM BREAKING TRACTION RIGHT SO FASTER LOL GUISE
>>14111656
>ND is lighter than carbon fiber no carpets no power steering no nuthin Alfa Romeo 4c, and better trunk space and an actually usable ragtop
>>14112359
Great argument, for launching hard you can very easily break traction, and if you're fucking around its also very easy to break the rear end loose, ever heard of weight transfer or clutch kicking?
>>14112361
If the ND had those popups I would've day 1 purchased
>>14111585
>mfw a base 3-door 1-series weighs 2844lbs
>>14112383
So we can have lolnopower AND lolpigfat? Sweet.
>>14112389
Holy shit I'm retarded... Fucking lol
>>14112389
Fucking nice
>>14112383
Going to be heavier and have the same amount of power. Its only hope is having a turbo engine that might be easier to modify
Daily reminder that the Fiata will be better than both the ND and the 86.
No longer will we be forced to choose between power and lightness. Now we can have both.
>>14111656
Lotus Elan 2+2 - 1960lbs
but i'm sure there's other obscure jap euro classics that are lighter
>>14112406
you're retarded
>>14112403
It'll weigh approximately the same and with only a flash tune can have 200hp reliably. It's been done plenty of times with the 500 Abarths.
most simple poll you'll ever see lads enjoy
>http://strawpoll.me/6362986
>>14112425
It's just a shame they will never do a coupe version. The MX5 one looked pretty good.
>>14112438
Yeah that'd be awesome.
I think the ND should have a little more than 155hp from a 2.0 and the 86 should weigh a little less than 2800lbs. It'd be great if the 370Z weighed less too, even if it meant a little less power.
![1910Ford-T[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X5ApjSI.jpg "1910Ford-T[1].jpg")
4 seats and weighs the same as a caterham
did everyone else give up?
>>14111998
Friendly reminder that an ND Miata OEM LSD costs $650 and it will make 200 BHP with nothing but a tune.
>>14112477
>LSD can increase horsepower
I just can't believe the shit I read here sometimes.
>>14112477
>it will make 200 BHP with nothing but a tune.
Gonna need sauce on that before I believe it
>>14112491
You gotta work on your reading comprehension man
>>14112495
>bhp on a tuned car
Dude wot
>>14111435
The new Impala would be a better option.
>>14112511
Idk ask the anon who said it
![12377626_1739662086256977_5168424199953293377_o[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ncSOPYA.jpg "12377626_1739662086256977_5168424199953293377_o[1].jpg")
>>14112495
believe
>>14112359
Tell me child, do you know what a 'corner' is
>>14112522
BBR are getting 190 with an exhaust intake and tune and they're known to be slightly optimistic with their figures
>>14111643
>like their back seats are actually useful
Insurance you idiot.
>>14112535
They just posted this a few days ago. They finally got 200hp out of it
>>14112535
That's because yuropoors cannot into horsepower.
>>14112491
You are now imagining the power gain from swapping the diff from an old 1920s era light truck with a modern mx5 one
>>14112491
>this is your average toyobarufag
>>14112540
oh okay, well congrats. impressive if legit.
>>14112541
yes american air is more oxygenated than everyone else's. we resent this.
>>14112522
what windows is that
>>14112522
Why do i get the impression this is on 98/93 with octane boost and is still just starting to ping?
>>14112579
Because you're a Toyobaru fanboy. Don't worry, it'll pass and then you will accept Mazda as your lord and saviour.
>>14112579
because it implies it's making more bmep than a 991 gt3 or 458 speciale or dfv on race gas?
>>14112591
Let me guess, you drive a ratted out NA miata?
>>14112606
That's clearly a flywheel estimate, which means it's the same BMEP as the 200 BHP 2.0L FA20/4UGSE.
>>14112591
Nigger my engine would snap a toyobaru chassis in half.
Just wondering why a 2L is making 147kw @ 6,500rpm when it's not something special like ITB + matched length headers.
Has to be literally 100RON which even at those temps is right on the edge of detonation.
>>14112624
FA20/4UGSE doesn't make 177lbft at the flywheel
>>14111435
SHIT F UC K ING CAR
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>>14112624
The FA20 makes it's 200hp at 7,000.
>>14111814
Is that why you bought a new miata?
>>14111489
>subaru enthusiast
into the trash
>>14112636
>>14112643
There's F20s and K20s out there with more torque than that.
>>14113033
they also have more work in them than a reflashed ECU
spoilers a LSD actually makes your car slower because two differentials creates more parasitic loss
theres a reason f1 and nascar cars still use lve axles
>>14113064
you have no idea what you're talking about
>>14113064
Is this bait?
>>14113075
no, this is /o/
lmao
I love my brz.
Kid in a suped up civic destroyed me, but I mean if all I cared about was bench racing I'd have also bought a shitty old car and threw a huge engine in it. That's not why we buy them.. So all these insults on it being slow mean nothing to people who bought it knowing it's not that fast.
>>14113735
>bench racing
he beat you in a real race though
you people make me want to kill myself
go hang yourself, all of you
>>14113735
>loses real race
>"h-he was just bench racing guys"
lel
>>14113735
>>14113759
>>14114834
>yfw a corolla xrs is faster than a toyabaru
>>14113759
>>14114851
>>14114834
I assume he's talking a roll race or whatever, I'm not entirely surprised, they can get some impressive power/weight out of those little fuckers. Not to mention he's also saying that he just likes the car in general, not how it does against others or how it would do according to spec sheets yada yadda, which is 100% the right way to go about things. You all should know it's the driver that matters and not the car.
What's the lightest car that has an inline six motor making at least two hundred horsepower. I'm curious because I don't want to get a new car but I want something ought and isn't weak
>>14115256
.....Why an I6 in particular?
>>14115256
probably e30/e36 m3
>more than 400 pounds
>ever
>>14115256
RB26DET swapped S chassis.
A few days ago I kicked the shit out of a brz on a 2 to 1 8th mile onramp to the freeway. Pretty sure he killed himself later that night.
>>14111435
Don't really care because I can slap a turbo on the bitch and double the output.
>>14112406
Just wait for the Miata hot-spec.
124 has a fat ass which presumably increases weight.
>>14111444
>new Miata showing what's possible even with current regulations.
Being that much slower than the FRS
>>14115484
Before this devolves further into benchracing shitposting, what can be taken away from this is that maybe the cars are suited better to certain tracks and one will win on some and the other one will win on some others.
>>14115484
So the more expensive less practical lass fun car on much better tires is also considerably slower?
>Paying 20+k for pigfat underpowered shit boxes
>Not paying 2k for shit box that's only underpowered
>>14115274
Because it's the best engine layout ever?
>>14115489
That is true for just about any car. Sadly that isn't going to stop people from cherry picking from fastestlaps.
>>14111489
nice car anon, i ordered my 2016 in white like 4 months back and should be here by next week. IM PUMPED NIGGA
>>14114851
does xrs stand for xtra real speedy?
>>14119882
Good job bumping the shit thread after 5 goddamn hours
>>14119891
You don't want people to see /o/'s autistic hatred of a car specifically designed to appeal to auto enthusiasts?
Because I do.
>>14121393
>/o/ sucks this cars dick every day since concept
>finally out and pricing released
>they hate it
There's pretty much nothing to dislike about this car. You aren't getting a lighter more powerful car for less money, and there's no other new RWD at it's price point.
>>14121441
There's the S660 if the export version happens, and the SFR if Toyota decides to build it.
But those are much less practical cars
>ITT:
>People think the BRZ is fast around corners
Everyone realises those cars were designed to go sideways right?
They even have wheels as wide as a space saver so that they lose traction easier lol what the fuck the rest of the world?
The selling point of the cars where i come from is literally
>Look how easily this skid rig goes sideways
>>14121441
Mustang is same price and way better power\weight ratio
>>14121450
S660 makes substantially less horsepower and it's already turbo'd. The fact the the FRS is 2.0 n/a means it has far more potential, which I'm pretty sure is the whole point of this car.
not even gonna compare it to a concept car.
>>14121460
>mustang is the same price
no it isnt
>>14112281
Well from pure mechanical standpoint an LSD actually makes a car slower. This is in an effort to make it more controllable. For most drivers it's a net gain in speed.
So from a very point blank way you're actually dead wrong. An LSD does not make a care faster, it makes a stupid driver safer allowing them to go faster. Traction control goes on to further this ideal in an even more invasive way.
>>14121454
and? oversteer is easier to tune out than oversteer. oversteer is usually a fundamental geometry problem.
>>14121480
26$k v6 stick bro. Sorry you can't look up basic facts
>>14121483
>an LSD actually makes a car slower. This is in an effort to make it more controllable.
Stop talking about things when you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>14121454
Thinks wheel width impacts traction. Into the shit pile with your post.
>>14121503
It does. The contact patch changes with wider tires. More frontal area, in front of the slip area. see: drag cars see: every race car on the planet.
Try to at least attempt to know what you're talking about.
>>14121460
>Mustang is same price
Not even close, starting price is 20% more fucking google makes claims like yours pointless.
>>14121511
Lmao butthurt autist who literally can't look up well known facts. They do make more expensive mustangs, but they start at $26k, same as frs
>>14121508
Wow so much stupid in one post. Piss off back to /b/ where your ignorance won't be so quickly ridiculed.
>>14121514
Go look at the Ford website base price OTR £29995, Toyota base price OTR £24995 20.004% difference how can you fail so badly?
>>14121515
It's common to knowledge to anyone who isn't a retarded /o/ poster.
Seen any dragsters with skinny tires lately, bud?
>>14121519
Eu fags shouldn't be allowed on American car forums. Only USA matters
>>14111489
i bet you dont own that house
>>14112406
God damn if it doesn't look good!
>>14112511
Brake horsepower.
>>14112471
kek'd
E30 is ideal setup with a m20 and coupe version
literally still the best to this day
>>14121480
>>14121511
Are you guys retarded?
A bare-bone Scion FR-S manual is $26,100. Scion is a no haggle brand.
A bare-bone Mustang V6 manual is $26,090.
You can haggle at Ford dealerships.
A V6 mustang is up to a full second faster to 60 than a Scion FR-S. 300 horsepower, and a Power ratio of 11.75
The FR-S has a power weight ratio of 13.79.
Why do you jap-fanboys continue this retarded delusion that the FR-S is cheap for what it is, or that it has no competition in its price bracket? I dont fucking understand.
this is coming from someone who currently has a Lexus and an Audi in his garage, and has never driven or owned a Ford of any kind. I just dont get why the fuck you're being retarded fanboys about it. The Scion FR-S is the dreamcast of car culture, it came out at the wrong time, and is going to be killed by "PS2"s like the new Miata, Mustang, and Camaro.
>>14121454
>Everyone realises those cars were designed to go sideways right?
No they're not. They are about as balanced and neutral as you can get from factory. The only reason they oversteer is due to the shitty tires, which were designed to be replaced from the get go.
A good set of tires will cancel all oversteer from this car, leaving nothing but grip and predictability.
I tracked my car before and after changing tires and I can attest to this.
>>14122138
>he bought an frs
topkek get a real car m8
>>14111585
>more than 2 seats.
shame the front seats are so low as to crush the feet of any back seat passenger
>>14115256
TVR Sagaris
>>14115256
Maserati 250f
I love my BRZ. First manual car, too. Its been a year but im still slowly unlearning the habits I had of driving an auto. It feels a bit gutless though.
>>14122087
You just said that the Mustang has a lower power to weight ratio. And so is inferior.
>>14122253
Smaller number is better you trolling cockgobbler
>>14111444
>no one checked these double trips
its ok anon, I got your back
checked
>>14121528
Sadly, no, but only because my job moves me a lot. When I am in a position that I feel like the location my job puts me will be permanent, my high 700 credit score along with my wife's low 800 coupled with the VA home loan program pretty much guarantees that I can buy a house.
>>14122087
....Do you really not understand the difference 800+ pounds makes? It's not just about power/weight.
>>14122260
No, smaller is worse or else it would have been called a weight to power ratio. Idiot.
>>14122366
He fucked up and did in fact post weight/power, if a car had an 11 or 13 hp/lb ratio it would be fucking insane, like, 3-second 1/4 mile insane.
>>14122087
At the time the brz was new and exciting,, I agree however that the ecoboost mustang and v6 stangs are better in every way
Can we get a lightweight car that's not slow as shit, please?
>>14122087
I got a new base model BRZ for $23.5k a few months ago.
At Scion dealerships they might not lower the price, but you can usually get them to throw in a bunch of TRD parts for free.
>spending 26k+ shekels on slow jap box because it's only kinda heavy
I'll literally never understand this shit, if you're going to buy a soul crushingly slow japanese car for 'muh handling' why not save yourself 20k and buy an old Miata?
>>14122602
I got mine for 20k USD lol
hate bump
>>14121521
That's for temperature and shock management, not directly for grip. They are high profile tires.
>>14122428
Hi
>>14122655
You're getting something with modern engine technology and zero abuse. You can expect it to last hundreds of thousands of miles.
>>14111489
>not buying a miata
what a cuck
>>14115484
it doesnt matter how many times you post that stupid unobjective image you fucking cum loving cuckold, it wont change reality
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2016-mazda-mx-5-vs-2015-subaru-brz-comparison/
>1:29.91 for the MX-5, 1:31.27 for the BRZ.
>>14126703
So what should be taken away is that the 86 is faster than the Miata on some tracks and slower on others, who would have ever guessed?
>>14126705
>slower on others
citation needed
>>14126708
The 86 being slower is in the motor trend video, I've been googling trying to find the source of the comparison in >>14115484
>>14126736
there is no source for that image because it was made by a dumb 86 cuckold
>>14126743
I don't know if it's true or not, but there is a lap time on Virginia International Raceway for the BRZ of that 3:18 number, but it was before 2014, so it's hard to say whether the Miata had a handicap or an advantage. Also, drivers are not listed, so a better time could probably be had from both, and it's impossible to know if it's the Club version or not.
>fucking finally went to fastestlaps for this
>comments feed is even more cancerous than I thought
>>14111793
Something like 2400lbs with a 600+bhp naturally aspirated engine
It gets even crazier when it can transport 3 adults and store more luggage than a small hatchback
