Have related thread posted over here.
>>>/o/13988228
>live in Jew york
>currently drive an 06' Ford Focus
>have new job that is 40mi round trip
>car has never traveled that far during a winter season
frankly, I dont know if the little car can make it. I know I definitely don't want to be stuck that far from home in a snowstorm (which happens plenty of times out here).
I just want a car that I know I can safely traverse snowdrift/ice covered roads if need be. Something more durable/reliable and with real offroad capability.
what does /k/ recommend?
I'm looking for
>2010 or newer
>no preference for new or pre-owned at the point.
>$24000 max (assuming decent financing)
>decent MPGs (greater than 18/23)
>true four wheel drive
I had looked at a 2015 Jeep Renegade Trailhawk that a dealer was gonna sell me for $21,824 but the deal kinda fell through.
I'm thinking maybe a Nissan Xterra, Subaru Outback, or older Jeep Grand Cherokee?
get a shitty sr5 toyota truck in 4 wheel drive
or a ford diesel
that should do it
save rest of cash for daily user car
>>13995988
Other than snow and ice do you *really* need to go bounding through offroad terrain? You can get by on trail/fire roads fine with something that is far more practical for your commute like a Subaru.
Army surplus deuce and a half.
>>13995988
My family lives in Utah, snow and long drives are par for the course here. My little sister has a subaru impreza and it's about perfect. the computer controlled AWD is amazingly sure footed even in ice and slush, it's decently fast, and mpg isn't terrible. Don't get a jeep unless you are a mechanic or plan on becoming one.
>>13995988
>Jeep Renegade Trailhawk
just give up on life now
All the vehicles you have listed should be competent for mild offroading and snowy conditions, since they all have awd/4x4.
I drive an 01 wrangler and it's great off road and in the snow. Personally wouldn't suggest the Wrangler though, or anything Chrysler that has a coil-over suspension due to the "deathwobble" they seem to develop . I love my jeep but honestly I'd go test drive that Subaru lol
>>13995990
>>13995992
>>13995995
boards.4chan.org/o/thread/13988228/suv-recommendation#p13988289
looks like the general consensus is Subaru.
I had been looking at the new XV Crosstrek but it was way to expensive for the current model.
Maybe an Outback, Forester, or Impreza 5dr?
/o/ also mentioned FJ Cruiser, 4runner or Xterra.
>>13995988
Mother fucking black suburban. Now you have something for all of your uses and to transport all of the hoes you'll pick up.
Don't get a jeep. It's a lemon
>>13995996
FJ Cruisers are crap and unless you want to put new axles and toughen it up it's just a glorified minivan except there is no room in the second row.
Crosstrek is pretty great for light stuff same with any Subaru
If you hate MPG older Grand Cherokee / Cherokee / FJ80 Land Cruiser
Happy Medium Xterra / new Cherokee / +2004 4runner/Tacoma / +1995 Wrangler
Or if you wanna be a bad ass just get a used Mercedes G-Wagon any year
>>13995988
>Asked the right board already
>Still couldn't resist shitting up /k/ a little more
>>13995988
>40mi round trip
You've never driven further than 20 miles in cold weather before? Time to turn off the computer senpai
>>13996001
it's not whether I've driven that far at all. It's the fact that I'm going to be doing the trip every weekday for the entire winter season.
After reading this and the /o/ thread, I think I'm gonna be test driving some Subarus.
>>13995988
I looked at the renegade because I think they're kind of neat looking and thought they would be affordable.
It's like nearly $30k for an all wheel drive one and not much less for a FWD version. Seriously, FWD only jeeps!?!
Ever since that Fiat faggot took over the line and started making those abomination cherokees and catering to soccer moms Jeeps have just become more and more over priced shit.
I wish Europe would just stay in Europe. In another year I'll be buying my 3rd brand new vehicle but I'll be damned if I buy a jeep until that clown is disassociated with the brand.
I drive a Jeep Wrangler 4 door. Have you driven one of those OP? They've got a good mix of off, and on road capability.
>>13996003
thats the kicker. I found the top trim level at a dealer for only ~$22000. Guy didn't seem to want to make a deal though.
>>13996004
Not really a fan of the MPGs. And after sitting in one, fiance and I decided we didn't like the visibility out the windshield.
What about the Volkswagen Tiguan?
http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/647606853/overview/
>>13996005
I'll tell you what, the advice you got on /o/ was pretty good. I went over there and checked out the thread; not sure why you're here.
>>>/o/13988508 was spot on.
Toyota tacoma is the only answer
>>13995988
Rav4.
Mines AWD and gets 33 mpg average. Plus dat Toyota reliability, can't beat it. The amerishit you posted will crap out at 100k
Spend $3062 on a UAZ469
"http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/jeeps,-trucks-a-motos-3/uaz-469-96#currency=USD"
>>13996008
>The amerishit you posted will crap out at 100k
The CEO, Michael Manley is british and has a background with FIAT.
Jeep is a subsidiary of Fiat Chrysler headquartered in the UK.
Jeep Renegade is built on the Fiat 500 (fucking lol) and is built in Melfi Italy.
>Amerishit
Yeah, if a Fiat shilling britbong making a rebadged Fiat 500 in Italy counts as an American vehicle than sure I guess. The reality is that Jeep has gone completely to shit ever since you faggots took them over. They're not even Jeeps anymore.
>>13996010
>amerishit
>rebadged fiat
>2015
>this retarded
>>13996010
Aren't new jeeps ranked super low in initial quality and reliability? Why is there such a demand for them still. Can people be this retarded?
>>13996011
Do some research kid.
>>13996012
Jeep is coasting off their reputation and they've shifted markets to go after the North Face wearing soccer moms who think they're too cool for a minivan.
I'm not surprised that there is "a" market for them, I'm just surprised that any self respecting male would still be willing to buy a new one.
>>13995989
this right here.
what kind of guns are you into?
choose a vehicle based on your taste in guns
>>13996000
dude /o/ fucking sucks and doesnt know shit.
>>13995988
Jeep, and their parent companies dodge and Chrysler, have sucked badly for like 20-30 years now.
The ONLY thing keeping them going ( other than being bought by FIAT) was "muh heritage" motherfuckers pining for the ramchargers and hemi chargers of yesteryear. Oh, and cummins motors.
If ford or chevy was allowed to have cummins motors they would be hands down goat.
But for real though, modern jeeps are fucking cheap garbage designed to look flashy, for fucking morons who cant even google for the J&D reliability lists.
>>13995988
AWD Ford Taurus. Fits all your criteria, very reliable, and the options you can get on a certified used are amazing.
>>13996016
Eh, the Rams are still decent, if for no other reason then the hemi V8s and Cummins diesels. Still wouldn't buy one over a Ford, Chevy, or Toyota truck though.
But yeah, Jeeps are a shit.
>>13995996
Then go Baja with a lift kit. Closest thing to a commercially available warthog IRL. Just begging for a gun mount in the back.
Anyone else feel like Subaru, the car of lesbians, liberals and college professors, is the only vehicle left on the road with any credibility?
>>13996012
>Buy '09 JK, cause muh Jeep heritage
>Start having a shimmy in the front end
>Forums all say "It's just a Jeep thing, brah."
>Progressively gets worse
>Take it to dealership
>"It's just a Jeep thing, brah, that will be $100 for the diagnostic"
>Few months down the road, the front axle falls off
>Chrysler corporate says, "It's just a Jeep thing, brah." Comp the axle, but charge me $500 because I installed a Rancho steering stabilizer to fix the issue
>Sell that piece of shit, and now drive a more American car, Mazda
Fuck those Italian niggers and their rattle boxes.
>>13996021
Mazda bought themselves back from ford.
If you want an American car get a Honda.
>>13996022
>More American
I just want it Asian enough to have suicidal engineers. The big three are just legacy stamps now.
>>13995988
>Jeep Renegade
>True four wheel drive
Be a real /k/ommando and buy anything from here : http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/
>>13995988
Stay the fuck away from Chrysler (Jeep).
>>13995989
This anon knows what's up. Buy a ~10 year old Tacoma/4runner and don't look back.
Alternatively, buy a POS subcompact with 35+ mpg for <5000 like a shitty 2001 chevy cavalier.
>>13995988
Goddamnit America, when are you going to get the hang of making ok looking, everyday cars?
You're shit hot when it comes to making muscle cars, but then something normal comes along and you get that piece of shit in your pic or a Pontiac Aztec.....eurgh.
Seriously though, just get a normal toyota/ford truck of some sorts, it'll work. Or better yet get an old volvo. Whilst it does look like complete arse, it won't break, does ok in the snow and it won't break. Lots of space for shit too.
gmc envoy.
Not in this color, mines green.
Senpai
>>13995988
What about a Land Rover Defender ?
Best car coming thru, Land Cruiser/Lexus LX.
It's like a Land Rover, except reliable and not a piece of shit.
>>13996027
>knocking the Aztec
It's one of the first crossover vehicles and has optional awd and a tent attachment for the rear, what do you want?
>inb4 it's ugly
Yeah, it's a crossover.
>>13996032
Yeah the Aztec and then the Honda element, both great cars. Why couldn't they make them more appealing in appearance?
>>13996033
Aztec is the best tentcar
>>13995990
>do I really need
GTFO
Aztec was a good car that suffered from being ugly as fuck. Tent attachment, yeah... but the US auto industry was in a weird place in 1999.
>>13995991
Yes
Gonna stop and take a look at this tomorrow.
What does /k/ think?
2014 Subaru XV Crosstrek Premium
~15, 000 miles
$18,000
http://m.cars.com/vehicledetail/#!vdp?listingId=648705781&year=2014&stkTyp=U&mkNm=Subaru&mdNm=XV%20Crosstrek&zc=&partyId=undefined
>>13996038
I like the vehicle /model a lot.
Up to you to decide if price and condition is worth it.
>>13996038
Well, there goes that idea.
How can a dealer even sell a salvage titled car?
>>13995998
Dont get a jeep made post fca, any jeep prior is ok though
>>13996015
This 2bh fām, /k/ is more /o/ than /o/ is /o/, its all stancefags and weeaboos
Why'd we even bother fighting a world war
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>>13995990
Do you really *need* a gun, are you currently deployed soldier or LEO?
No?
Then you don't *NEED* a gun.
>Do you know what board and what kind of people your fucking talking to?
>>13996000
If /k/ is full of no guns under 21, then /o/ is full no wheels under 12.
>>13996012
>Can people be this retarded?
Yes.
>>13995995
Subarus are good but be careful with any early 2000s ones unless it's the STI, the 5 speeds are made of glass and my WRX just blew it's trans for the second time
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>>13996045
you have to be 21 to buy guns?
>>13996044
It was a question based on the information provided.
He drives a Ford Focus, and apparently doesn't trust FWD which is perfectly fine in ice and snow so now wants AWD/4WD. Mentions wanting "real offroad capability" and then says he was shopping a Jeep Renegade since it fit his needs.
It is obvious no real offroad capability is needed, or the Renegade would never have entered the equation. He needs a commuter car, and just happens to want AWD to go with it.
If someone needs a conceal carry handgun, you don't recommend them FNs new semi-auto M249, you recommend a handgun.
>>13996040
Plenty more around you.
https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listings/subaru/xv-crosstrek/location-copiague-ny/price-below-24000/
Miata is always the answer.
And yet not one fucking post mentioning a H3 HUMMER
Disappointed /k/
>>13996052
That's cause the h3 is shit.
>>13996050
>He drives a Ford Focus, and apparently doesn't trust FWD which is perfectly fine in ice and snow
I've driven it in ice and snow before. it... manages, but I'd feel more comfortable with a more modern and durable car.
>Mentions wanting "real offroad capability" and then says he was shopping a Jeep Renegade since it fit his needs.
I thought it was a decent balance of average offroad capability and fuel efficiency as a daily driver.
>It is obvious no real offroad capability is needed
says who?
>or the Renegade would never have entered the equation
it's not hitting Moab anytime soon, thats for sure. but I dont think it's completely incompetent off road.
I also live about 30 miles from that location, but thanks for looking.
>>13996021
Should have got a newer TJ, JK's are for Chads and soccer moms. I had a slight wobble in the front of my 05 TJ. One hour of my time, YouTube and 40 bucks to replace the factory stabilizer with a Monroe and check my track bar. No wobble anymore bro.
>>13995988
Toyota>Heep
>>13996049
Kek. I just turned18 like a month ago and I already own 3 guns. And I live in commiefornia
>>13996057
wassup my fellow Calikek
>>13995991
A true /k/ommando.
My friend's S10 with grill guards, winch, and 3 inch lift can literally get over anything we've found.
We took it out camping in the Wayne National Forest and (after a few beers) he decided to see if he could get it up the (heavily wooded) hill to where we camped, from the road where he parked. He plowed a trail with that bitch, powering up the mountain.
I was impressed.
>>13996056
Underrated post
>>13996051
>SLOW CAR FAST
>IT'S SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU
The most /k/ answer would be a Toyota Hilux.
Can you even get one in the states though?
>>13996048
This.
>>13995988
I have a 2000 ford Explorer Sport track, its like a Ford explorer, but it has a little 4 foot truck bed, and I love that thing to death. Sadly its reaching the 240k mile mark, and I've already had to replace the engine and transmission in it (which, I know, was retarded on my part) but its served me well. Truck bed is really nice to shoot from, its 4WD, and its good enough on gas that it can be used everyday. Also, if you get a 2010 model, you get that sync shit and bluetooth and all that fancy shit (I just use a cassette to AUX adapter). Pic related. Not mine, but general what they look like and how you can make them look.
>>13996063
Dunno m8, but everyone who works in a trade in Australia uses them.
They were talking about bringing the dodge RAM here but it's too expensive.
I think they were going to sell for $100,000 and over in Aus.
Toyota>any 2000+ jeep
Older jeeps are the best after the tj jeep went to shit. Only vehicles I will buy are Toyota/Lexus and older jeeps. Once jeep came out with a 2wd model wrangler they lost my business. The renagade is complete shit hell the jks are complete shit. Fiat ruined an iconic American vehicle by making plastic ecobox crap.
I will take a new Toyota over a new jeep in a heart beat even a rav4. Not to mention how sexy those new land cruisers are.
You don't need awd or 4x4 to drive on snowy roads. Any fwd car with good tires is perfectly fine for winter driving. Tires matter the most, a subaru with shitty ties will do worse in the snow than a focus with snow or good all season tires.
Crossovers are for soccer mom's and literal fags. Jeep grand cherokees are just shit. Subarus are for lesbians and tumblrites. Xterras are pretty decent but overkill for your purposes.
>>13996063
Closest you can get are Tacomas, preferably the TRD Pro
>>13996067
TJs are good
>>13996056
They're both overrated and overpriced and Toyota doesn't sell non-200 series Landcruisers in North America. 4runner is still too expensive in the US and used prices are just as high as they are for similar-year jeeps, but at least you can still find ~20 year old Jeeps that don't have 200k miles on them.
>>13996070
That's why I said after the tj jeep went to shit.
>>13996066
>Dodge RAM
>$100,000
holy fuck australia you get keked hard. How much for a new Landcruiser 70 series?
>>13996072
TJs were produced until model year 2006, so why do you think only TJs before 2000 were good when they were mechanically identical? The 4L I6 was still in use, and the Rubicon packages introduced after 2002 added front/rear locking diffs. Factory Jeeps have only gotten more capable in every iteration and the aftermarket has grown huge in the past two decades. On what are you basing your "shit" argument?
>>13995988
>jeep renegade
here's a recommendation
kill yourself
>>13996073
You gotta remember that a shitposting dollar is only about $0.30 freedom dollars.
This + a crown victoria
>>13996076
Current exchange is like 0.73 shekels for every dollarydoo, that's still $73k for a sub-par rental truck
>>13996074
Meant tjs in general where the last good jeep model. Rubicon packages are a joke oversold as good off roaders. The price tag for them for what they actually do compared to a decently built jeep aren't worth it. The selling point of Rubicon is lockers and d44 axles that aren't even real d44s. They are just 30/35 axles frankensteined with 44 pumpkins. For the selling price of a Rubicon I could build a 4 link yj get lockers axles and tires and have left over cash. Not to mention the price tag on jk/us for something I am going to beat into the ground. And the whole argument of aftermarket parts is just making jeep seem like the Honda of the 4wd world.
>>13995988
>I just want a car that I know I can safely traverse snowdrift/ice covered roads if need be. Something more durable/reliable and with real offroad capability.
Sounds like you either want a Rubicon (sworn to me by an avid OHV guy) or a modified S10 Blazer cuz the motherfuckers don't give a single flying fuck about snow.
>Sauce: I own a winter warrior baby Blazer.
THIS IS MY BATTLEWAGON. THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT, BUT THIS ONE IS MINE.
>>13996066
>This spartan-syle Tacoma
Huh..
>>13996027
>Pontiac Aztec
>>13996032
>Aztec
>>13996033
>Aztec
>>13996034
>Aztec
>>13996036
>Aztec
All these aspiring meth cooks in da house.
>>13996008
Rav4 has to be the shittiest car I've ever driven, how can you recommend that to anyone?
>>13995988
>>currently drive an 06' Ford Focus
>>have new job that is 40mi round trip
>>car has never traveled that far during a winter season
do what I did with that Fo-cuss and trade up to the vehicle featured in the most /k/ approved episode of Top Gear evar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e7R3y-qwZ0
>>13996080
What does /k/ think of the FJ Cruiser? Considering one to replace baby Blazer in the future.
>>13995988
>I want to buy a new car as a winter beater
how does this make any sense?
>>13996084
>Ford Fiesta
Fucking gag. I used to have to drive one of those to deliver car parts. I'm a big guy and that little fag car was like a fucking sardine can.
>>13996087
> big guy
for you
>>13996087
quit being a fatass
also, obligatory 4u
>>13995994
that made my day. i can go to sleep now.
>>13995994
well at least she won't be shooting any black lives that matter
>policia militar
>militar
I don't know the hippity hop slang but am I to assume she is a MP???
>>13996089
No. I'm too tall for the thing. No fun to drive when your knees are jammed against the dashboard.
>>13996085
I'd trade my streetable jeep for one. Only issue I have is the backseats but the fuck do I care if I'm driving it?
>>13996093
>backseats
>>13996093
>issue
Are you telling me you don't seatbelt your gun cases? I do.
Gotta keep that shit fucking secure, man.
>>13996051
It's blushing.
>>13996094
I have gun safes or lockable racks in my vehicles. The strange looks i get with no top on and 4-8 rifles mounted on my roll cage. The lexus i got has a double rifle rack mounted on the trunk lid and a crown vic rifle rack on the back of the center console.But I meant the backseats in a fj are tiny for a grown man.
>>13996015
>>13996045
Those are acceptable answers, I rescind my post.
>>13995999
Even if you have the money for it, why would anyone buy a car that needs to go to the gas station three times as often as a modern vehicle? I understand why its fuel economy is terrible but I have to imagine most people who could afford them in the first place could buy even better, dedicated off roaders like a Rally Fighter.
>>13995988
Ford diesel
$3000-4000 for IDI if you're a poorfag, read up on their issues and examine carefully when buying
$5000-7000 for god tier Powerstroke
>>13996099
Not OP, but I've been liking these
What are potential problems with the IDI engines?
And what are warning signs to watch for when test driving before buying?
>>13995988
Don't buy a jeep.
>>13995988
get a 90's subaru faggot
>>13996012
>Aren't new jeeps ranked super low in initial quality and reliability? Why is there such a demand for them still. Can people be this retarded?
In my town, Jeep dealerships are shoveling base model Patriots out the door for under $12,000 after rebates and discounts. And they have generous financing offers. Hard to beat the pricing. Honestly if you handed me 12 grand and told me I had to buy a new car with it, I'd probably end up buying a Patriot over the (even less reliable) econoshit available at that price point.
>>13996054
>I've driven it in ice and snow before. it... manages, but I'd feel more comfortable with a more modern and durable car.
I lived exactly where you live. I got by WITHOUT snow tires. You don't need 4WD.
>says who?
Me. You can't go off road in the tri-state unless you know people or hit Rausch Creek.
Just get dedicated snow tires, I've never got stuck in my Focus and I've got caught in a snowstorm driving up I70 from Aspen through the passes to Denver.
