American Muscle vs. JDM?
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Challenger R/T or FRS?
Challenger R/T
More fast, more car, more power
What the fuck kind of question is this?
>>13807532
a year ago, when being a bench racing bus rider browsing /o/ I would have said JDM, but now that I bought a Ford I'd have to say muscle.
I prefer the sound of V8's over turbocharged I4's. they sound like they're trying too hard, V8's sound more natural. plus it just feels good.
>>13807593
This.
>>13807532
Challenger: Heavy, lolcantturn, >domestic
FRS: Reasonable weight, toe-gay bliss, Sexy AF, Japanese quality
No competition
>>13807593
>>13807613
>>13807616
What is the point of spending 25k for a car that is slower than a Camaro and doesn't get decent gas mileage?
>>13807630
because the Camaro is only faster when it's not overheating
>>13807532
>Challenger R/T
Why is this heavy piece of shit accepted by /o/, i'm all for the FRS but if you really want a V8 why the fuck would you consider the challenger over superior mustang/camaro
>>13807630
This is the Challenger vs toyobaru
>>13807661
The Challenger has a certain....character. Something about it just exudes cool. Between the two I'd rather pick the FR-S, but that may just be because I haven't experienced a light, handling-focused car yet.
>>13807675
>certain....character
being bigger and heavier yes, that's about it
>>13807661
Challenger for the cruze, of course "because race car" people will hate it.
The car is comfortable as fuck, has a ton of space inside and in the trunk. It also has a surprisingly small turn radius and a nice V8 sound. Maybe not as nice as the Coyote but better than the LS imo.
>get 392 hemi challenger
>pull the engine out
>drop it in an old dart
>sell challenger body
>buy miata/mr2
>>13807693
How come hemi swaps aren't as popular as LS swaps? Does it even happen?
>>13807704
In vintage cars they are but in newer cars not so much.
>>13807693
>pay 30k+ for 392
>sell body for 10k
>spend 20k on an engine that's 8k new
>>13807627
How does that dick taste that you suck every night?
>>13807704
because bowtie bandwagon plebs
a 392 hemi will easily make 800hp with a turbokit and fuel
>>13807721
I had to pick one of the cars in the OP
>>13807704
Because putting another brands motor in an old body is a bit like heresy.
>>13807739
Except the 392 is the SRT8.
>>13807746
its still a challenger
>>13807754
>I had to choose one of the cars in the OP
>chooses more expensive version
>hurrrr it's still a challenger
>still tries to justify stupidity
>>13807745
I meant in anything. Instead of ls1 swap a Miata, 5.7 hemi swap it. 392 is like the ls3
>>13807765
shut the fuck up you fucking autist
shut the fuck up
its time to go to sleep, take your medication and turn off the computer
>>13807779
>asspained
>>13807789
>autistic
>>13807792
>can't differentiate between trim levels
>goes apeshit when called out
>calls me autistic
Are you 14 or just another fat retarded American?
Thought about it, drove a Mustang, it was a pig, wanted to track and autox, challenger even piggier despite good looks.
>godmachine ftw
>>13807779
I bet dis Nigger drive a Cavalier
>>13807532
>http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/3nng2fz2l4r2
I shall just leave this here.
>>13807797
>thinking I can
>thinking its relevant
what part of shut the fuck does your autistic ass doesnt understand?
you are autistic, autistic, do you understand what autistic means? you are literally worthless, no girl will ever want to be with you
now shut the fuck up autist
>just another fat retarded American?
Americans are fucking jew puppets faggots, they can all suck my uncut cock, cant wait until iran and russia nuke them
see how fucking autistic you are? you implied I was american without any reason whatsoever
fucking autist
>>13807807
>$39k car with 'shit' in the option list and 3x the displacement is faster than $26k car
Do you want a cookie?
>>13807532
Take your jap crap and your wop mobile and go back to where they came from. I choose the heart and soul of America.
>>13807834
> I choose the heart and soul of America.
>outsourced labour made in canada
>with parts from mexico
>with chinese steel
seems legit
>>13807833
Hey, power means nothing without control, bro.
>>13807827
You get mad as fuck without reason like an American so it's a fitting assumption. Stop projecting all of your insecurities on me you faggot weeaboo with a wet dream of a high-powered miata. I really hope I'm not from the same country as you because I would be embarrassed to be from the same place as some retarded cocksucker that gets so mad over being wrong. You must have a lot of repressed issues from your childhood that cause you to be a spastic fuck to anyone that points out a mistake. Get over yourself a day go suck on your mommy's tit some more you crybaby. Get some more buzzwords going with your childish insults too. I guarantee you rank way higher on any autism test than I would.
>>13807846
don't forget
>australian chassis design
5th gen camaro is holden zeta platform
>>13807848
>being this autistic
>>13807834
>heart and soul of America
>based in Detroit
>houses are 2 grand and nobody wants them
>>13807846
Ya it is legit. Do you know nothing about America? industrial revolution, shipping in tons of immigrants to work in our factories. Even before that, outsourcing labor in our plantations in the south with African migrants.
It is how we do business and how we remain great and GM is a company that is keeping with those traditions.
>>13807857
>if I keep saying it, it must be true
>I'm too afraid to admit I was wrong so I'll keep slamming my head on my keyboard and acting like an angsty teenager with bad acne
>>13807860
ya, so? Diamonds come out of shit holes in Africa, does that make them less valuable? What a retarded retort. Thanks for the update mr. fucking geography.
![image004[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/6bcOCJz.gif "image004[1].gif")
>>13807873
>autistic
>>13807870
I know its going to shit because of job outsourcing, far right goverment putting corporate interests first and immigrants, look at detroit
>how we remain great
KEK!
>>13807885
>still a whiny little pussy
>>13807890
>still autistic
>>13807885
Listen man, most people can not handle the class, elegance and raw power of this glorious piece of machinery.
All that stuff you listed is what keeps people who make money, keep making money, ya dig?
How do you think the US gets the money to outspend militaries 30 times over? The outsourcing is what keeps the money flowing here.
>>13807897
Keep getting angry at people on the Internet when you're stupid and lack basic reading comprehension skills. Perhaps you should re-examine the definition of autism since you're clearly the one unable to get any point across or take any criticisms without flipping your plate of tendies in the air and pissing mountain dew everywhere rather than accepting you made a mistske. I'm out. Have fun getting good made alone on your super-powered srt8 computer complete with retard helmet and water wings.
>>13807908
>muh military budget
>loses vietnam
>loses afghanistan
>russia has to fix your shit in syria
also
the american military spending is nothing but corrupt contracts
>>13807916
keep being autistic
>>13807917
Stop being naive kiddo, we don't fight wars to win them. We fight them to use up our ammo, vehicles, etc etc so we can pay people to make more. It is also great for R&D, testing out munitions for future arms sales. All this is done with tax payer money.
In the end, we actually win the war, but you see, you are not included in the we, ya dig?
>>13807532
i like look of jdm cars better. they're also smaller which i also prefer. hate driving big cars... but that's older cars like rx-7s, ae86s, civics. 3 favourite cars
newer JDM cars look like shit though but so do a lot of cars. but americans cars like viper or corvette look good.
>Came for the thread
>Stayed for the comments
>Abundance of keks
>>13807532
I know both can't handle so its the challenger.
>expensive nigger car
or
>slow Chad car
>>13807532
If you're gonna do the whole American vs. Japan thing, at least choose 2 good cars.
>>13809284
Well if the challenger is a base model they're about the same price.
>>13807532
FR-S.
>Original, modern design - it's not trying to look like a badass car from the 1970s and failing hard at it like the new Challenger does
>More sophisticated design, both inside and out - the Challenger looks like a fucking brick wall next to it
>Partly manufactured by a brand known for being reliable
>Probably bigger aftermarket
>No doubt better balanced
>Better suspension
>Better on gas
>Not pigfat
>>13807532
Gun or knife? Pick one and kill yourself with it for making this stupid thread.
>>13807661
Look, I'm not going to be a dick about this. I know you haven't driven a Challenger at length, so let me explain from the perspective of someone who has daily driven an R/T for over three years.
The Challenger is not slow. It isn't as fast as its direct competitors, but 5.3 seconds to 60 is better than most cars in its price range. I average 21 mpg city driving every day, too. The car turns heads, which is always a plus, even when it's parked. No one stops to take pictures of a Camaro SS.
But the biggest thing? The car has a soul. It's an enormous, rowdy animal that wants to be driven hard. It is absolutely a driver's car, and it's desperate for someone to push it. Owning this car has been an endless love story and I have never once had even an iota of regret about buying it.
Of course, I think about weight reduction and pushing more power from the 5.7, but it is a fun car to drive in the meantime. I could keep it stock and still be ecstatic every time I go out to drive it.
>>13807776
The simple answer is that crate 392s are expensive and used 5.7s aren't reliable. I say these things as a Mopar guy. LS and LT engines are a dime a dozen, so they are more common to swap. Some guys have swapped Hemis into old A Bodies and gotten insane power out of them, but that is serious cash down when an old 383 or 360 block is significantly cheaper with tons of modding potential.
>>13807908
Nigger, there is nothing classy about a Camaro. It is white trash personified.
More importantly, keep your dumb shit opinions about 'Merica mobiles to yourself, because they're retarded. The Camaro uses parts from a communist nation while the Challenger is completely built by the free market of North America.
>>13807532
I could have bought either but I have class and style, so I bought a loaded 370z.
Fite me irl.
>>13807630
Because people like to actually see out of their cars.
>>13807532
I could have bought either but I went with a loaded 370z, because I have class and style.
Fite me irl.
>>13807944
>american taxpayer money is spent on wars
>which leads to america having the worse living standars of the developed world
>we won tho
are americans really this easy to brainwash?
>>13807532
> car sold in US by a japanese brand
> it's a JDM bro
> japanese domestic market
daily reminder that this board is filled with teenagers that have no idea what they're talking about
>>13809821
Are dubbed animes JDM ?
>>13807532 (OP)
I could have bought either but I went with a loaded 370z, because I have class and style.
Fite me irl.
>>13807630
Gotta own a V8 to understand, pal.
>>13809907
Each to their own i guess. Before bought a '15 STI, test drove a mustang GT with 3.73 gears.
Was fast as shit and sounded awesome, but actually prefer the turbo boxer sounds and super peaky powerband of the STI.
>>13807730
As sweet as whatever juice he's running in his vape
>>13809900
I'm so sorry
>>13809821
All 86s are made in Japan you nignog
>>13810334
looks better than the toyobaru fake carbon fiber and lolamerican interior
>>13809900
>class and style
>new nissan
>instead of slightly older M or AMG
mkay
>>13810352
>buying used german garbage
KEK
>>13807532
I like Detroit Domestic Market tbqh. Munich Domestic Market is also noice.
>>13810354
Almost as bad as buying a new nissan
>>13810375
not even close
have fun with the 3k oil changes tho
>>13807853
>F bodies > Zetas
The new Camaros are heresy, they don't deserve to be considered a Camaro.
GM ruined the Camaro, I can only hope the same doesn't follow suit for the corvette.
>>13807613
Muh sound
This is just in friend
American V8's sound like shit
>>13810013
Listen friend, don't bother testing shit like a mustang or a newer camaro. If you want to feel what having a v8 is all about, you need to try out a newer Corvette or an Audi or something along those lines. Of personally recommd the M5, one of my favorite cars I've ever driven, a G8 is even better than a mustang honestly.
Mustangs are pleb tier cars for pleb tier drivers who can't stack up against anything that's not a lower end Camaro.
Unless of course you dump alot money into a terminator or something, but in that case you're fucking retarded for not just saving a couple thousand by building up an Ls or a Mopar that'll go just as fast.
>>13809621
This is fairly accurate. With the amount of solid 360s out there for dirt, it can be hard to justify a new crate Hemi. Lets say that a 5.7 complete is around 6000. For that money I can build an injected 360 and make way more power. Or I can start with something like a 440 and be hitting 600hp and equivalent torque for around the same money. As far as reliability, the new Hemis have the MDS which would have to be deleted as well as retrofitting in a new fuel system, a ton of wiring, etc.
Tl;dr 360 is cheaper and will make more power for similar money while being as or more reliable.
>>13810341
no...it really doesn't.
Nissan cant make a good looking interior anymore.
>>13810379
Have fun getting whooped by bone stock Mustangs and Camaros in the straights and twisties.
>>13807630
the challenger is also a fullsized coupe that actually has moderate visibility
>>13807870
African "migrants"
Lol
>>13810519
ill take a slightly less good looking interior over a completly garbage mechanically wise german car anyday
>>13810525
>mustang
>camaro
>turning
KEK
> JDM
> KEK
>>13810354
I work for a Mercedes and BMW dealer. It's called "Certified Pre Owned."
> u no afford
>>13810602
>thinking certified pre-owned car are any less unreliable
>>13810607
> isn't in the car biz
>>13810352
370z guy here.
I wouldn't dump money into a used German car unless I was very wealthy... and then I'd just buy a GTR or Ferrari.
And a Viper.
Is this the animal-shaped purse thread?
>>13810525
But I'm not a boiracer, I am a sophisticated gentleman with a nice cock.
The 370z is over 9000 times sexier than any American car, save the Viper.
>>13810691
it is now senpai
>>13807661
Some people like cars that look good and rip killer burnouts
Also drag racing is a lot more popular than you'd think
>>13810602
>implying I didnt spend more money than you make in a year on my 370z
>no fucks given about camaro or muh stang being however fast they try to be as i dd my z through the twisties while thumping vagner over my elite tier custom stereo in a much sexier and classier machine
>>13809580
Look, I'm not going to be a dick about this. I know you haven't driven a BRZ at length, so let me explain from the perspective of someone who has daily driven a Premium for over three years.
The BRZ is not slow. It isn't as fast as its direct competitors, but 6.1 seconds to 60 is better than most cars in its price range. I average 24 mpg city driving every day, too. The car turns heads, which is always a plus, even when it's parked. No one stops to take pictures of a Camaro SS.
But the biggest thing? The car has a soul. It's an taut, graceful animal that wants to be driven hard. It is absolutely a driver's car, and it's desperate for someone to push it. Owning this car has been an endless love story and I have never once had even an iota of regret about buying it.
Of course, I think about further weight reduction and pushing more power from the 2.0, but it is a fun car to drive in the meantime. I could keep it stock and still be ecstatic every time I go out to drive it.
>>13810720
The challenger doesn't actually have three badge swapped clones out right now though so the whole turning heads and thing is sorta retarded in your analogy.
I mean fuck you even used the wrong branded name in the copy pasta
>>13809877
>animes
>>13807655
Okay I don't like the camaro, but care to cite your source?
>>13810334
Christ
>>13810803
The new Camaro has the LT1, the same shit in the C7.
>>13810773
>Challenger
>Charger
>300
>>13810519
>Nissan can't make anything good anymore except automatic pig fat bench racer machines
Fixed
lmao
>>13810831
>overpriced unreliable shits
lmao
>>13810831
>>13810836
poorfag detected
>>13810809
I know, right?
It's literally Michelangelo tier hand craftsmanship compared to the shiny silver plastic dash trash and blue led and touchscreen bitch tier junk in the Mustang interior. And much better than any American car, except the Viper.
The Viper is a class act.
>>13810844
wagekuk who thinks he is rich in his base model e46 detected
>>13810844
so much power and driving pleasure in 1 pic
>>13810843
better version i made
ITT: amerifats mad they don make v12s
>>13810829
>being this salty over your lot in life
Typical Ford buyer's remorse, or the howl of minimum wage-slave Hyundai lessee Jimmies rustling in the wind?
>>13810773
># of Challengers sold in US - 350k
># of twins sold in US - 75k
>>13810829
and they still outperform anything you will ever own
>>13810844
"i saved up from my warehouse job for this car"
>>13810950
>americans have a shit-taste
we already knew that
>>13807593
it only has good forward acceleration
the fr-s has good lateral and backwards acceleration
>>13807675
yeah, it's bigger, heavier, has factory rice, and doesn't hold up very well when compared to the competition in the price range.
>>13810946
I fucking love Nissan, and hate all the American and Korean brands. They used to be my favorite company, but their stuff today is just bad. I liked the 370Z too, but it isn't really indicative of what Nissan is today. It was released in 2008 as a 2009 model, almost 8 years old. Once they made the GripZ concept, and more importantly called the Datsun Z rally car a crossover, I lost my shit with them. If Nissan makes a new Z that isn't a crossover and a new GTR that fixes the problems with the old one instead of amplify them (IE computer on wheels, pig fat, got too expensive) than I will take back everything I said about them. They will be cool again, but I doubt that will happen
>>13807593
FRS
More turning, more car, more light
>>13807885
>because of job outsourcing,
Wrong. It's going to shit because of a large population of large uneducated fucks. We are onshoring but close to none of the jobs generated in Michigan due to it are for the average, stereotypical Detroit dweller.
>>13807532
Whichever has the higher resale value.
>>13807885
> one country with one fifth of world gdp
> not great
yuro pls
>>13807532
JDM IS SOMETHING THAT IS SOLD TO ONLY THE JAP DOMESTIC MARKET.. A scion FRs is an American badged car, there's no such thing as scion in japan. Its not RHD.
It's not JDM.
>>13811022
Like I said, it's kind of a character/atmosphere thing, hard to define. If you've liked muscle cars, the Challenger fucking nails that attitude, but I can see why someone who doesn't like them wouldn't like it, because it is inferior to a lot of other fun-oriented cars objectively.
>>13811065
>with one fifth
stop being retarded
>>13811201
that's not what the chart shows?
>>13811201
LoL, eurokeks can't into fractions.
Stay simple.
>>13811206
>>13811225
>chart ends in 2006-2007
>we are living almost in 2016
stay last place in education among the developed world
>>13811230
> not educating yourself
>>13807922
no u
What you'll cowards think about the Charger R/T? I kinda wanna get the awd cus I live in shitigan and hate driving in snow. Found some used with under 40k miles and for under $21,000. Are they good cars?
>>13811252
If you're ok with the whole nigger stereotype
>>13811252
>replacement of choice for cop shops across the country since the crown vic bit the dust
Hurr durr i wonder if dey gud fer commuting...
>>13811287
As long as I don't get it in black or white I won't look like a nigger right?
>>13811230
>data from 2007 tells you fuckall about 2016
Then why did you post the chart in the first place?
>>13810844
>>13811086
It's made in Japan and shipped over here you doofus.
It's not like the challenger is really American
This one looks like a fox
>>13807661
look, its cheap, its looking good and you never have the chance to really get something out of more than 200 hp on normal roads.
Nobody buys the Challenger for being the fastest one and the Hellcat version is more of a joke. Most buy it to cruise around with, so they will most likely buy the V6 version with 300 hp, which is still enough and can be pushed to almost 30 mpg.
>>13811428
I think most BMW owners would remove furry if they were to show up at a BMW meet.
Uhhh..... this thing
>>13811747
I would like to mention, as neither a boomer not a poorfag, that the Challenger has incredible mod potential at all trim levels. There's twin turbo V6s that run eights and supercharged 5.7s that have broken 800hp.
>>13807532
FR-S, the Challenger is 2pigfat, and
>chrysler
![attachment[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RKKpMR9.jpg "attachment[1].jpg")
I would choose the Challenger R/T for its roomier interior, cooler looks, and most likely more comfortable ride.
In green, pls. <3
A Commodore goes sideways better than both and thats what these kinda cars are all about so ima go with the Holden.
![dodge-challenger-rt-plus-wallpaper-hd-12968[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/EVUK8EB.jpg "dodge-challenger-rt-plus-wallpaper-hd-12968[1].jpg")
>>13815140
![2015-dodge-challenger-rt-scat-pack-rear-three-quarter-turnjpg[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XwhLJhG.jpg "2015-dodge-challenger-rt-scat-pack-rear-three-quarter-turnjpg[1].jpg")
>>13815148
>>13810867
Thanks Scotty
>>13815148
>>13815140
100% this is pornography
>>13810471
>American V8
American V8 sounds are the purest forms of V8 sounds.
>>13810844
fake pic
everyone more than 1 foot away from each other
Dodge Challenger with a 6 spd manual
Look, you can do some shit with boats, i drifted a clapped out lincoln continental mk 5 automatic with 7 cylinders firing, the Challenger will be a breeze compared to that
>>13815164
>>13815148
>>13815140
I'm not sure what will get your license suspended faster, those things or anything with a silly factory wing (evo/sti)...
JDM
FRS, Challenger is literal shit
Drives like a 90s SUV
>>13818230
You obviously have not drive a Challenger within the past decade or ever for that matter. Sure, they do not handle like a Mustang, but they have more space, no DI carbon to deal with, are easily modifiable, is more comfortable, and simply looks better than any of the latest ponys.
You are also trying to compare an Econo car to muscle which never works. If so, compare a Chevy Citation to a same year Camaro and you will see what I mean.
>>13818325
Obviously it was from this last decade, 2013 r/t
Absolutely shit tier
Give me the God machine
>>13818325
>You are also trying to compare an Econo car to muscle which never works. If so, compare a Chevy Citation to a same year Camaro and you will see what I mean.
>>13815925
Well, it's not a Citation...
>>13818325
>sports car is an economy car
say wot now
>>13807686
>Challenger for the cruze, of course "because race car" people will hate it.
>"because race car" people will hate it
>"because race car" people
>because race car
This little phrase triggers the fuck out of me
>>13810471
you're objectively wrong friend
>>13818450
The FRS is NOT a sports car. It may share the layout, but it is not. Same way a Miata is not a sports car (Econo roadster). A sports car is akin to the NSX, RX7, Supra, Z cars, Cayman, etc. I see no one doing direct competitive comparisons between something like the FRS and a Cayman. The suspension settings are too soft and are a compromise on the FRS to appeal to a wider market. That is not to say it isn't fun or sporty, but it is not a sports car.
>>13818490
I'd say it's an entry-level sports car like the Miata. Economy cars are focused entirely on fuel economy and being cheap, sports cars are focused on a fun driving experience, which the Miata and FR-S definitely are. They're just cheaper because they don't pack a ton of power, and the suspension is a bit looser to make them more fun to play with at those lower speeds.
>>13818490
It's more of a sports car then the pony cars
>>13818511
That's like saying a cavalier is more of a muscle car than the FRS because it is American. Never said pony cars were sports cars.
>>13811014
>it has good backwards acceleration
>>13807532
if you get an frs youre buying a fucking scion. a scion. im gunna say it once more, a scion. but a challenger is gunna make you look cooler to others
however both the mustang and hyundai genesis coupe are faster and the stang has more lateral G's than the frs. Honestly as annoying the stang is its fast.
>>13818507
The suspensions are looser to make them easier to live with. The fact that they put a 'sports' car on eco tires and offer it with an Eco mode on Auto models is enough to kill it for me. If they wanted an entry level sports car, swap the tires at the factory and tune the suspension in. Then I will call it a sports car. Currently, the only entry level sports car that is cheap is the 370Z and its edging on a GT car since the 350Z.
>>13807679
the challenger is not meant for performance. its made for shredding tires and making a scene.
>>13818531
If you buy a Challenger you are buying a Dodge. A Dodge. A fucking Dodge
>>13818539
The tires honestly make sense to me, low grip limit so the car is fun to chuck around, rollier suspension on the Miata to make it more communicative and fun at lower speeds, not to mention Toyota knows anyone tracking it or whatever is going to be buying their preferred performance tire. One of their specific design goals was to have a trunk that easily fit 4 wheels in it for track fun.
>>13818568
And that has decades of heritage behind. Its well known and cemented in car culture. When I think scion i just think cheap asian plastic wannabes and the xB. But Dodge brings up thoughts of big, brutish, crude horsepower factories.
>>13807532
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/csw/cto/5272078859.html buy a genesis
>>13818597
Explain the plastic thing. Why is plastic bad?
>>13818597
It's just a brand, who really cares. Dodge also brings thoughts of unreliability, poor build quality and the SRT4
>>13818615
not that its always bad but cheap things are often made of plastic. the challenger just does it for me a little more than the scion. just the name scion sounds cheap to me
>>13818626
but also icons like the early charger and general lee and the viper
>>13818636
For what it's worth it's only called Scion because Toyota wants to preserve their appliance image.
>>13818655
shouldve just called in a toyota
>>13818663
Again, they want to preserve their boring appliance image. Anything that doesn't fit that mold gets called a Scion.
>>13811183
I did drive one, and I do like old muscle. It was just meh all around. It may retain several of they stylistic cues from older vehicles in it's line, even more-so than the competition, but it still does it half assed and, subjectively, it didn't feel right.
Which is a shame because up until then I was waiting for them to come down in price so I could get myself one.
>>13807532
That's like asking whether you should choose a Fiesta or a Ranger, a Cayenne or a Cayman. They both are good for different things, so you should test drive both and buy the one that suits your needs and your wallet. If you use it mostly to get to work and back, pick the one that's more comfortable and uses less fuel. If you don't care about your daily commute you should take the one that's more fun. All of this should be common sense though.
>>13807807
Challenger cost nearly twice as much with that pack.
>>13818531
fucking retard
neither
>>13809670
The viability is really not bad unless you're pulling out of somewhere on a 45 degree angle. Other then that you can see everything just fine.
>>13815145
Mein nigger.
>>13818490
FR-S and Miata are most certainly sports cars. Sports cars are defined as cars that emphasize light weight and handling.
On the other hand, cars like the Mustang, Camaro, Challenger, and 370z are not sports cars. They're touring cars made for long trips at high sustained speeds.
>>13822307
You are correct. Sports cars by definition are about being low slung, 2 doors, light weight, fun to drive and have sporty intent. That is the traditional definition of a sports car. Big power and fast in a line is second after those qualities. Though really, getting into the schematics of what is and isn't a sports car is stupid. When awd 4 door cars are the most successful in time attack and fwd economy based cars are making lap time comparable to super cars today, the definition just seems arbitrary. I'm not trying to demean the word sports car, because driving a traditional sports car is much different than the cars I mentioned, but saying that so and so car isn't a sports car doesn't make that car any worse.
