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Hi guys I'd like for us to try this again. I like noise, drone, electroacoustic, glitch, and other such genres and would like to discuss it with you all. But these threads tend to spiral out of control, so let's set some ground rules:
1. Don't post just to say how stupid this thread is. You're entitled to your opinion but you'll be saving yourself a lot of energy by keeping it to yourself. I apologize if we don't meet your sophisticated standards for music discussion
2. Don't ask "how do I get into (insert genre or artist)?" While this thread is partially intended to promote the discovery of new music, it's really easy to just look up an RYM chart for something. No one can help you "get into" something. Just go listen to it and either like it or don't. If you want recommendations, listen to some releases, see if you like them, and people will recommend you something similar. No one here is going to help you "understand" an artist or genre of music
3. Feel free to talk about releases and artists you like, shows, gear, etc. These all welcome
4. Just be civil please. if you feel the need to complain (a compulsion I don't particularly understand) then just don't. You're not helping anyone. If you just need to be annoying there are a bunch of other threads to go do that in.
Now that that's been established, hopefully we can have some nice chats. Any Xenakis fans? I've been listening to Persepolis and it's a pretty intriguing piece. I enjoy it more than what I heard on his Electronic Music release and am interested in exploring him more. I also would like to expand my horizons in stochasticism and other experimental modern classical in general. Any recommendations? Thanks in advance, and let's have fun today
Experimental is an adjective, not a genre.
>>65417907
Find where I said it was a genre
If everyone is going to get pissy about the word "experimental" then just understand I'm using it as a broad umbrella term as is done here:
https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Experimental/
Xenakis=zeus zappa=odin jesus=me. Good pick, xenakis is the modern sati, futureman. Chicks prefer him = el futureman. I don't know anything else to add. Messiaen is also wonderful. I'm pretty big arches with it. I'm gonna be looking at what i can do with playing acoustic instruments in fucked up ways in conjunction with all le tech and shit. Goodthread, fuckohg.
>>65418071
So like electroacoustic stuff? What kind of instruments and techniques did you have in mind?
>>65418138
I was thinking, i love birds and we're always playing, check out what kind of menial stuff people use to 'communicate' with birds. And sure, xenakis is sth so natural to me, son of an architect, i always lean towards him. ... Plus, overall i just like to play really oddly and counter what instruments are 'supposed to be played as'.
Electric acoustic, as a method, yes, but not at all as an outcome. More, "fantasy-scifi-shaman" admixing. What any kid would do. I just make it to make my birds appy, so, it's not los 'intellectual experimentals' that i gravitate towards. So i go back much for ideas, and still very much like to throw in serialist elements, whilst trying not to have them too cornholey, but i do.
As far as techniques, i kinda have my own ways, and i'm pretty good at maths, with these cpus and all, so i fix alot of it inside the cpu, rather than 'on the floor'. Instruments? The bird thingies, there must be alot of this, not too expensive. That's about all i have to say, byeio.
I don't get it, why would anyone want to listen to noise?
>>65418342
I think its a meme?
Anyone else here who fucking loves Foodman's new album Ez Minzoku? Fuck he is good
>>65418342
Evidently you chose to ignore the rules stipulated in the first post. What, are you expecting someone to enlighten you or are you just wanting to start an argument? Unless you can rephrase the question into something less annoying/pointless then you should probably leave. Thanks for the bump though
>>65418342
Because it's not just fucking static noise as you like to pretend that you think it is, although you know better.
>>65418388
I have not, but it seems interesting. Is the glitch element prominent or is it more of like a juke/footwork album with glitchy qualities?
Ok I'm just gonna try and put some random names out there, to see if anyone is into them here
Rules, Yearning Kru, Brood Ma, WWWINGS, Eaves, M.E.S.H., DJ New Jersey Drone, Halcyon Veil generally, etc.
Anyone?
>>65418404
It's literally noise friendo. I'm listening to this >>65418388 on youtube and it's clearly not music, it's just occasional thumping sounds.
>>65418442
It literally is, I mean listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-pVz2LTakM
there isn't a note throughout, it's all just scraping and horrid and unpleasant noises.
I literally don't understand why anyone would put themselves through this when they could listen to the beautiful music of Poulenc, Gerswin and Tchaikovsky.
>>65418569
Sounds like this isn't your cup of tea then. Well thanks for playing, go away now
>>65418388
I'm downloading now so I'll get back to you shortly
>>65418388
It's great, potential AOTY material.
>>65418556
I'm slightly embarrassed to say these are, as far as I know, all entirely unfamiliar to me. Could you tell me a bit more about any/all of them? I'm always looking for new stuff
Thoughts on this album?
>>65418491
You could say that most of his stuff is built from a 'juke skeleton', but it is very different from any other juke that I've heard, but yeah you could probably say that it's juke with glitchy elements and a lot of midi sounds. It has a very playful, silly/childish vibe, but in a good way.
It's a very hard album to describe, but definitely one of my favourites of this year so far.
>>65418569
Mozart improvised, being a gutenberg man, he could write fast enough to catch that. We are no longer that gutenbergman. We must safely use the plethora of machines at our disposal to be as mozarts were, and capture that emotion and passion. Taking an experimental approach is tantamount, no less there will be many failures, this is the true goal of music.
>>65418705
This would probably be better received in the bandcamp thread. Alternatively, if you post something you should include a somewhat detailed description if possible
>>65418695
I'm not a big fan of her or death industrial in general. I find her kind of entry level and overrated but that's just my opinion. I'll admit that my perception is probably tainted by cynicism and the comments of others, though. What are YOUR thoughts on it?
>>65418569
You need to listen to it for a while. Foodman's album is definitely not a noise album.
The Schoenberg/Boulez (not sure who, not very knowledgeable about classical) piece is definitely not noise. How can you say that it's just like static noise? Both of your examples are very far from being literal noise music.
>>65418748
>>65418748
Are you so jaded that you can't even comprehend the fact that other people can actually enjoy this? Also I talk to my "real world" friends about it regularly and we have decent discussion about it. I'm sorry you find the enjoyment of experimental music to be offensive but I feel you're way off base
>>65418663
Most of it falls under the umbrella of post-club electronic music. It's very hard to describe, especially because the artists I listed aren't necessarily very similar in their output, but I believe they are all more or less part of the same 'food chain' on soundcloud. Expect noisy, abrasive and highly experimental music, often with what I'd call a HD sound - as opposed to the lo-fi-ish sound that's usually associated with noise and experimental music.
A few of my favourite releases to recommend are:
DJ NJ Drone - Syn Stair
M.E.S.H. - Piteous Gate
Eaves - GORILLA
Yearning Kru - Copper Vale
>>65418866
I'm sorry you feel that way. But as was said at the start of this thread, your input is wholly unwelcome
>>65418569
>Poulenc, Gerswin and Tchaikovsky.
None of these artists make music, stop pretending to like this non-musical crap you pathetic classical-teen.
>>65418914
Excellent! Thank you for the recommendations. That description is very interesting
>>65418866
Bait, fuck off
>>65418916
>your input is wholly unwelcome
Oh, I'm sorry, is this thread a safe space?
Must be pretty threatening to have someone expose your entire artistic taste as pretentious navel gazing.
I enjoy ryoji ikeda and am looking for other glitch and/or microsound artists. Recs?
>>65418961
damn, someone saw through my facade.
>>65418990
it's not hard to enjoy please stop baiting/being an insecure pleb
>>65418990
Inspector dim V the sjw's V the spanish inquisition V reasonrally. Please stay do, this is pretty experimental comedy stuff.
>>65418569
>Poulenc, Gerswin and Tchaikovsky
Shit taste, listen to the true masters or fuck off poser.
>>65418777
It's my first noise music. At first, wow i was just overwhelmed but loved it. And i saw her live video, wew that was pretty amazing too.
>>65418990
I don't know how insecure in my tastes you think I am to let a 16-year-old shake my confidence in what I listen to, but I was more saying it's unwelcome because ive heard your complaints for years and don't need anyone else saying "yo this isn't even music, man". If you came to this thread just to stir up trouble then I'd more so suspect you of being the one who feels the need to impress others. Do you need some attention in your thread? I can check it out
digging all these eletroacoustika
>>65419127
Nice! I guess I didn't have the same response personally, although I do think she was one of the noise artists I listened to first...I mean not to say I didn't enjoy it or anything but I've just found other artists more appealing. Again, I'm just not a big death industrial guy on top of that
>>65419134
Well, i also like classical. So i like hearing sth more melodic and vested. Experimental is pretty give and take person to person. I think you're preying on something long sailed away into history.
>>65419193
I don't think I understand what you're saying, exactly. Are you saying that a) classical and experimental music are mutually exclusive and b) that experimentation in music is "over"? I think I just am not understanding your post
>>65418349
>>65418404
>>65418442
Stop feeding the troll.
>>65419018
alva noto, jan jelinek, oval, pita, ryuichi sakamoto (esp his live performance with alva noto called utp), vladislav delay (sort of), some autechre
>>65419378
Great! Thanks man
>>65419248
I'm saying it's "rumage till you find". As well, Music is always experimental & you can't actually catch your dreams in pissbottles, since you aren't the demiurg. Also ... Now stop being a spongeypeewee of a 'troll', grrrrr!!!!
https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mattin_taku_unami/distributing_vulnerability_to_the_affective_classes/
Ignore the low rating on this one, this is an all time masterpiece of experimental music and a must hear for anyone remotely into the style.
Reposting recs from the other thread.
Yoshihide, Je Chun, Yeon (+ Sachiko M) - Loose Community
Animist Orchestra - Wuwei
Pisaro, Wolff - Looking Around
Denley, Lauzier, Martel, Myhr, Normand - Transition de phase
Mural - Live at Rothko Chapel
>>65419388
Is this making sense to anyone else? Maybe this guy is esl? What is being said is literally incomprehensible to me
>>65418556
M.E.S.H. and DJ NJ Drone belong to /bleep/.
>>65419493
I mean not trying to be a dick, and maybe I'm just not reading it right...I just want a third party's translation
>>65419493
Look everyone!! It's a lesbian!!! Kill it with jane eyre!!!!
>>65419394
What exactly is this album stylistically, outside experimental?
>>65419529
What.......
>>65419537
onkyo
>>65419566
Jane eyre is really boring, yet well written. I'm saying i have 'inverse jane eyre'. I thought you were vying for comedic 'bits'? Stop being lesbian... .
>>65419608
Ooh, nice. Thanks
>>65419639
O-okay anon
>>65418388
Finished downloading! So far so good. Definitely more jarring than I expected
>>65418318
you sound like a cool guy. can you share your music with me?
>>65420037
I'm not releasing... Yet... If at all. Close to broke, no gear, that shit. ... Probably never will release. Like i said, i literally make it for the birds. So, i consider it theirs, not mine.
>>65420037
Seconded. I haven't heard of anything quite like what you described
>>65420184
Oh fair enough. I like the idea though. Being broke does get in the way...
>>65419018
Check out 0.02 by albur
>>65419500
I don't agree about M.E.S.H. Isn't /bleep/ mostly for techno, house, etc.? If anything, I'd say /bloop/, but I might have gotten them wrong, I haven't participated that much on here.
>>65419723
I'm glad you like it so far, I can only recommend to look through Orange Milk's releases if you're not familiar with the label. You should especially check out DARK WEB by Giant Claw if you don't know it.
>>65420491
Hey I got some Giant Claw. Deep thoughts. I should listen again
More like pic related?
>>65417884
Here is my EP, released on Friday.
https://avantgardeaudioassembly.bandcamp.com/releases
Here's an improv piece I just recorded.
https://clyp.it/m5wv1n1t
Here's my overproduced garbage.
https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/tricky-plexus-what-was-pain
65405201
Tell me what you know about Ruth White...
>>65420976
shit can you not link to archived threads?
>>65405201
>I've been going back through Ruth White's releases...
>https://youtu.be/9mUX1l89npg
>Anyone know if she worked exclusively with Moog? That's what I've heard, but I swear I hear some Buchla lpgs in the later shit.
I don't have any musical talent but I heard some noisehop and gave it a try.
https://soundcloud.com/fantasticfetusfuckfest/john-galt-can-suck-my-dick
Also slapped my noisehop plugin settings on a different experimentcause why the fuck not.
https://soundcloud.com/fantasticfetusfuckfest/done-over
I mean while we're doing the self-promotion :^)
Crumbly walls, drones and tape fuzz
https://vorpilatus.bandcamp.com/album/demo
Hoping to get some new material soon for a split I'm doing with a friend
>>65419018
check out some of the EAI stuff from Japan. I recommend checking out stuff with Sachiko M on it. Her stuff is way more minimal and less 'clean' than Ryoji though. I used to like Ryoji but I'm actually less into it now after exploring more stuff.
>>65421412
The kind of sound that I prefer in stuff like this. Do you have a conceptual idea tied to your project?
>>65420976
how did you improvise that? like what were you doing
>>65421866
Thanks! It's definitely what I'm going for too, trying to use a lot of tapes and live records for that imperfect analog sound
And nothing fully-baked, like I've always had an interest in religious themes and I've been using some brutalist architecture for my art but nothing developed enough that I'd feel confident calling a concept, heh
>>65422250
*live recordings
>>65421960
Patching, repatching, playing manual cv with pressure and touch.
There's an element of feedback in it which was achieved with a teleplexer and a small mic I had picking up the low end of the output and slowing bring that in was probably the most dynamic aspect.
>>65422250
It reminds me of ritual industrial at times, so I'd definitely see what you can do with the religious idea in terms of concept - maybe see what you can think of juxtaposing that with the architecture you use somehow. It's a good sound from what I've heard, and doesn't jump around in displeasing ways like many of the projects I've seen posted here do. The analog sound is great (side b clips a bit distractingly in the first two minutes of that beginning ambience though) - one of the reasons it reminds me of some lo-fi 80s and 90s european ritual industrial projects, which are an influence on me personally.
You know, I thought just by the name that "Death Industrial" was fucking stupid.
I was wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ_fc6jMDcE
Just a reminder, this is not a bandcamp/soundcloud thread. That'll be going in the rules for the next thread
>>65422841
I mean I love the enthusiasm and love for people to make cool music but there are other threads for that
https://soundcloud.com/mephisto_waltz/the-visitation-feat-ornate-exit
It's a new track (finally) featuring the very talented Ornate Exit.
>>65422531
I do have some sort of idea of connecting the religious and architecture themes, since what I like about both of them really has to do with the sheer scale and imposing nature of them but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ who knows - and yeah, I'm trying to not go for too much of a spastic cut-up sound, more of a live feel with evolving textures and layers etc
And I actually haven't listened to any ritual industrial, though you've got me interested with the comparisons now - any recommendations you'd give?
>>65422885
You're neglecting the fact that these "other threads" are not the kind of community to provide discussion relevant to this. No reason fo you to get pissy about sharing. That's one of the things that killed /noise/ because people couldn't separate shitty low effort projects from others and instead voted to just shit on everything and post the same links. As long as the same person is not spamming links with no further words, we can have good discussion about projects, ideas, etc.
>Rules
Please don't. You're only going to start more arguments. Treat this as a thread for discussion, not a shitty pretentious general.
>"experimental" music discussion'
>just a bunch of idiomatic trash that's "weird"
protip noise in 2016 is not experimental at all in any way
>>65422841
Oh, oops... Sorry! Just reading this now
>>65422954
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaoEjBb0sEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbfIQrkM3jA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnads6tU_pw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgesy1r2Wwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj0emDOCsGA
Hunting Lodge isn't strictly ritual, but I would classify the sound of many of their works within that vein.
>>65422977
Having rules has helped this thread be much better than the one I started yesterday, imo. I am someone who posted my bandcamp in /noise/ at the time you're referring to. I got helpful feedback and everything but I recognized that the bandcamp thread was a better place for it, and now I don't even feel compelled to promote my music much at all unless someone asks to hear it. I hear what you're saying and I'm not trying to stifle anyone's creativity, but it just doesn't seem like the right place. That's just me.
>>65423085
Please don't post this sort of thing in the thread. Thanks.
>>65423107
Don't worry about it, I just am trying to keep the thread from becoming inundated in links. As long as it's getting discussed and it's going well then it's fine
>>65423246
please don't make a thread called experimental when none of the music that's discussed is experimental in any way and there's no discussion about what experimental music is and it's all stuff based on decades-old idioms, you fucking retard. it's like you want this thread to be horrible and for retards
>>65423175
Appreciated! Skimming through these and it seems right up my alley, and I've also been looking to incorporate some drumming into my live sets without getting cheesy ("dude yo noise and beats") and some of the more rhythmic elements in there are definitely giving me some ideas
>>65423356
i'm not him, but post something truly experimental then.
>>65423356
Okay well don't read it then. Or post some music you'd prefer to be discussed. I don't really care, just do something less cancerous if you can help yourself
>>65423411
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JECd-NZRtAs
>>65423428
i don't see how you'd call my pointing out how obnoxious your thread is 'cancerous' but don't see a problem with repeatedly making a thread that encourages people to propagate misconceptions about experimental art.
>>65423572
I really don't think the definition of experimental music or art is as rigid as you think
>>65423572
It might have something to do with the fact that you're incapable of actually articulating your point. You're saying this is wrong but you can't say what's right. So until you come back with something actually resembling a "point" or an "argument" then you're just being cancer. If I went to a hip hop thread and said "yo dudes this isn't real shit" and then never explained myself then everyone would get pissed. Understand?
>>65423572
I don't see how you cannot come to that.
>>65422525
I should also probably point out this patch pictured isn't the one I was playing
>>65424098
>>65423942
>>65423572
>>65423356
Change the name to /outsider/ or /soundart/ or something that won't trigger the superhuman intellects who have failed to answer a basic question about early experimental electronic I've posed for 2 threads now.
>>65421412
Really enjoying this
>>65422841
Looking down on the only people who actually contribute is what killed noise
Does this belong here? And, if so, could somebody please recommend some similar albums?
http://youtu.be/JYUoxHjZ7nw
>thread on "experimental music"
>DAE KNOW ABOUT RYOJI IKEDA OR NOISE MUSIC XD
This thread is a joke lmao.
>>65425376
Not quite...it was more the metaposting and just general infighting
>>65425693
You must have much better taste. We're all very impressed. Go away
>>65425779
not that shitposter but next time you make this thread name it /ndeg/ - noise, drone, electroacoustic, glitch, and more
maybe even add in ambient too
>>65425779
>Go away
Oh I will, I just wanted to point out how out of touch and ignorant you all are of this thing you're attempting to build a general around.
Just call your thread the aspiring avant-teen general and be done with it lel.
>>65417884
I've only listened to a bit of Xenakis. Mycenae Alpha was interesting though I didn't find the music as enjoyable as watching how it related to the drawn structure of the piece. I only started listening to this type of music frequently a few months ago though. I definitely enjoy Concret PH by Xenakis more.
One of my favorite songs in this whole field of music is probably dreamsong by michael mcnabb. Truly incredible IMO. It's really emotive and the way the sounds pass by the listener is great. I really love the place it puts me in. Same goes for Sud 2 by Jean Claud Risset as well as Sud 1, though I've spent more time listening to Sud 2, I love the way Sud 1 feels like a journey from the beach inland to a surreal place.
>>65425826
Yeah it's kind of obnoxious how assblasted everyone gets about the word experimental, even though I clarified what I meant in like the third reply. To anyone who has a problem with the usage of the word experimental: if you're going to complain, you must post some "actual experimental" music. Just saying "this isn't experimental music" is so far beyond useless I can't even tell you
>>65425876
Your posts are entirely useless, you could have brought up what pieces you like to "improve" this thread but instead you just came to be condescending. Some people are new to different types of music and like talking about it. Get over it.
>>65425877
>I only started listening to this type of music frequently a few months ago though.
So did everyone else here lmao, that much is obvious to anyone.
>>65425913
>if you're going to complain, you must post some "actual experimental" music.
Here's one I bet you never heard before, I bet it's gonna blow your mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AguPH0XBxdw
>>65425964
nice meme dude
>>65425951
>Some people are new to different types of music and like talking about it.
So what's the point of this general then, a subtle attempt at receiving spoonfeeding?
How do you expect that to work out for you when everyone here has listened to the same token meme "experimental" artists and doesn't know how to proceed and find new ones?
>>65425876
Like how do you expect to be taken seriously when this is how you write? If you're too much of a pussy to name a single artist you consider "real experimental" then how do you expect anyone to treat what you're saying as anything other than baiting and trolling? Like please, either you're samefagging or none of the critics of this thread are capable of actually naming experimental artists. You're such a fucking joke
Is it weird that I find myself more interested in approaches to and ways of making noise than actually listening to it?
>>65426018
well, noise is one of those genres that's usually better in concept (at least for me)
>>65426008
I have no interest in being taken seriously. None whatsoever.
>>65426001
Can you explain to me what your dream experimental thread looks like? What would a "good version" of this thread look like, in your unqualified, anonymous opinion?
>>65426068
So you admit to being a troll? okay glad that's over, moving on
>>65426018
I don't think that's too abnormal. A lot of noise fans and musicians are very into the gear aspect of things
>>65426091
>Can you explain to me what your dream experimental thread looks like?
My dream experimental thread is nonexistent.
>>65426018
So you're making something you have no actual idea about? What a revolutionary approach.
I wanna hear what you're doing.
>>65426113
Not a troll at all, just a concerned denizen of the 4chan music board.
>>65426135
>A lot of noise fans and musicians are very into the gear aspect of things
Yeah but they also all hopefully know what the fuck they're doing with that gear and how it fits into the wider context of the style lmao.
I genuinely want to hear what this guy is making, I really do.
>>65426168
Do you just go through life complaining about things despite being a useless shit yourself?
>>65426246
Yes. Yes, I do. It's all I've ever known.
>>65426018
I think often the process and knowledge of the process can lead to a richer experience. That's why so much of the 'soundcloud noise' projects that get posted are shit. They're conceptually not interesting. Everyone knows you can import exe's into audacity and post it online. It's not that interesting. I'm interested in someone finding an aesthetic angle to something that hasn't been explored yet.
>>65426246
Yes.
>>65426265
How lame lmao.
>>65426141
>>65426168
I'm not making anything, though I'd like to at some point, it's just an interest more than anything . Not so much in the gear aspect, but rather in a conceptual sense. Like I found a HNW album about a month ago that sampled the I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream game on DOS. Sonically it was just standard HNW fare but conceptually I found it interesting.
>>65426265
As long as your honest about it.
>>65426299
I feel like that's totally legit!
>>65426299
>Like I found a HNW album about a month ago that sampled the I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream game on DOS. Sonically it was just standard HNW fare but conceptually I found it interesting.
That's so lame and useless lel.
Pro-tip: you know how many interesting noise artists also happen to not listen to noise and not have any idea about the historical development of the genre and its theoretical underpinnings? None.
>>65426307
I pride myself on my honesty.
people don't talk about ivo malec enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-_OEjLi_kA
>>65426372
Alright it's just a hobby calm down
>>65426372
You're like so eager to attack this guy and so off base. He's new to the genre (from what it looks like), finds it cool, and wants to maybe eventually make some day. What are you being so venomous for, dickless? Are you that desperate to start fights on a Chinese cartoon image board? Wow
What is the most experimental band ever?
>>65426433
Get better at your hobby or get a better hobby.
>>65426445
He asked a question and I engaged in a discussion with him. Isn't that beneficial to the thread, actually? And the bit I posted about what it takes to at least have a shot at being an interesting noise artist(you actually have to listen to noise music and have a clue about how it works! wow, how unbelievable! that's not true for any other genre at all!) is far from an attempt at starting a fight, it's a plain fact that's accepted and acknowledged by anyone who knows anything about noise.
>>65426464
Radiohead
>>65426558
Whatever positive intentions you claim to have are sort of overshadowed by how much of a massive cocksucker you are but thanks for contributing
>>65426599
Cheers mate, I do my best.
who's that semen demon
>>65418914
>post-club electronic music
oh come on
oh my god everybody here is either a bitch or a dick
>>65426464
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unRldLdllZ8
>>65426913
This is why I tried to establish in the first post that those here just to bitch and moan should leave. But nobody wants to cooperate. Trolls will be trolls
>>65426956
experimental =/= cringe
also,
nice b8
>>65427033
not everything is a fucking bait.
do you know what a joke is?
>>65426977
Never feed a troll
Just don't even respond to the hater, I bet he'd get bored quickly and leave
>>65427040
Not him, but no I do not
>>65427068
Probably.
>>65426630
>>65426373
They take it lying down at least
you can't have a thread titled experimental when most of the teenagers here think anco is the epitome of experimentalism
>>65427040
but b8 is usually a form of joke desu
>>65427202
b8 seeks for a negative reaction
who the fuck would be so stupid as to be offended by fucking d4nny
call me a big autist but the misuse of b8 really makes me fucking mad
>>65427245
don't tell me that b8 about b8, b8d you
pffffffffffffffffffffffffff
thanks anon, made my night
God you fucking retards need to learn the concept of ignore and report
>>65425376
no, what killed /noise/ was the fact that there was literally like 4 people in those threads who knew enough about noise to keep the threads going and talk about interesting shit while everyone else was too busy with meta bullshit, bandcamp, soundcloud or posting about fucking bird seed or while you were out over and over(the way that nobody in those threads ever seemed to get over the most basic and cookie-cutter RYMcore noise albums despite the threads existing for like 3 years was definitely one of the most irritating things about them).
when those people got bored and left the threads promptly went from being 95% shit to being 100% shit.
the thing that killed /noise/ is the same thing that's going to kill these threads far quicker than any random shitposter with time to kill: the fact that nobody in them has any idea what they're talking about
Fuck this adjective, it's only a pitchfork buzzword at this point.
Just read through this whole thread and fuck me, this is an absolute mess from literally the first post in the thread up until the last.
You've made this thread 3 times in as many days and, 3 for 3, all of them have ended up being pretty disastrous. Give it a rest, dude.
>>65428783
It's been twice actually but yeah I think I'll just go back to making just /noise/ threads
>>65428894
at least try changing the names of these first
>>65425826 would maybe actually work, especially if you were to include ambient like it says
>>65428894
Same deal, just give it a fucking rest. You don't need to have a thread up 24/7. That's why there's no discussion to be had.
beep beep
>>65430989
truck
Since everyone is self-promoting...here's a djset i recorded some days ago, mostly avant-classical and impro, feel free to ask for track titles.
https://soundcloud.com/ramirexx/world_servers
This needs to become a new thing on /mu/. Without the 14 year olds spouting edgy words of course.
can we make these threads for discussion instead of bedroom hacks shilling themselves
what an absolute shit thread
>>65433038
These threads are just an attempt at rebranding /noise/, which was a general that existed for years and was just as shit as this thread is for all those years. The guy making these threads admitted as much himself.
>>65433758
thak
>>65423525
He is just performing someone elses work. Why is this more experimental than say Foodman - Ez Minzoku for example?
>>65426851
What? That's what people like to call it. Yes, it sounds a bit funny, but whatever. I like how you just immediately assume that I'm a pretentious fag who is trying to be edgy or whatever the fuck you think.
All we wanted was to talk about the music that we enjoy ffs. I don't know if the things we've tried discussing are experimental enough, but clearly some people really take offense from this, because they feel superior. Then post some fucking experimental music or a fucking definition that satisfies you guys. Does it have to contain a fucking element of chance like the dogmas from the 20th century tells you, or what do you really want?
>>65432968
why don't you just post the track list in the description? wouldn't that be sensible?
>>65433038
>""""""experimental"""""" music threads
>Without the 14 year olds spouting edgy words of course.
haha.
>>65434715
You basically just want to steal the word "experimental". It's just a word. And that word happens to refer to music that has an element of the composer not knowing or fully knowing what his composition is going to sound like.
I like noise, ambient, drone, glitch, dark ambient...
My favorite artists in the genres are Prurient, Autechre, Bola, Aphex Twin's experimental shit, some Wolf Eyes, Future Image, Oneohtrix Point Never, some Battles, Plaid and Zs.
>>65435453
>And that word happens to refer to music that has an element of the composer not knowing or fully knowing what his composition is going to sound like.
There are many words for this, but experimental is not one of them.
>>65435493
>Experimental music is a compositional tradition that arose in the mid-20th century, particularly in North America, of music composed in such a way that its outcome is unforeseeable.
>>65435517
The next few sentences in that wikipedia """""article""""" describes music that is foreseeable in nature.
>wikipedia
Here's the short description from Oxford Music, which is much more accurate.
>A diverse set of musical practices that gained momentum in the middle of the 20th century, characterized by its radical opposition to and questioning of institutionalized modes of composition, performance, and aesthetics.
>>65435517
>>65435453
you're talking about indeterminacy, please fuck off with this wikipedia tier music knowledge
Eggs apple! See i go more and more there. And i'm pretty dusty wig, the composition has to be fully afixed -shite. But i find i want more and more to see what'll happen, fly blind in certain parts, let random automation do things, i won't even know till 'print'. I wanna surprise me! After a while, you just want that anymore. We know have machines, they can make the most glorious music, and we can just sit and listen. Anyone against that, is deluded. Notwithstanding, you should work yourself to death first, learning classical composing, true.
>>65435992
Is this post supposed to sound like utter gibberish nonsense?
>>65437165
it's experimental
>>65437186
Wew
>>65435557
Post that picture of your penis again, my HD died.
>>65427491
/thread
This is legitimately disheartening. Experimental music has been a huge part of my life in the last five years, I've made a lot of friends in the experimental scene and gone through a lot of personal growth because of it. This thread is trash though. Like I'm not trying to be negative or talk shit, this is really bad. OP should stop making these and like get some friends irl to talk to about this or something because this shit can't be worth it.
>>65440732
Fortunately I do have done friends I can talk about it to but I didn't think attempting to make threads about ironworks be so disastrous
>>65440903
*some friends
>>65440903
Holy shit what the fuck is wrong with my phone
That should say:
Fortunately I do have some friends I can talk about it to but I didn't think attempting to make threads about it would be so disastrous
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrKQl9yj0oI
recent favourite.
a lot more harmony and melody than the usual eai, which is a nice change of pace.
saw thomas ankersmit live last week. great performance, exploring both the upper and lower end of sound. from barely audible high pitch sounds to visceral basses that literally felt like heartbeats at times.
any opinions on him? rec: live at utrecht https://soundcloud.com/weerzin/thomas-ankersmit-live-in (thick drones) / figueroa terrace (diverse exploration of sound
hyped af for new vatican shadows
>>65433637
The /noise/ generals didn't have nearly this much shitposting, and neither will these threads after most of the 14 year olds get bored and move onto some meme.
>>65441336
Thanks for reminding me to download too beautiful to burn, I'd been meaning to do that
>>65441717
Yes they did after the general became stale and nobody had anything to talk about. And when the shitposters weren't there, the threads died in a matter of hours. I like the threads, and like talking about them with people who have something to talk about. Regardless, it's apparent that a general only manages to attract circlejerking even sans shitposting. What we need to do is let the threads die, and make them when the time is right. We don't need threads every day. The reason everything is such garbage is precisely because it's a general. As it stays alive too long, discussion wanes and the most people can do is post links and bump the thread to perpetuate it. Openly stating that it's a general and making a thread every day also attracts shitposting. We've had three of these threads over the course of 2 and a half days. Just make threads about noise, drone, etc. once in a while instead of trying to establish a permanent general.
>>65426307
Self-awareness doesn't justify doing something stupid or pointless. It is that mindset that justifies this meaningless brand of irony that is really popular right now.
The new Jute Gyte is out. Atonal black metal should count as experimental.
Thoughts on this piece?
https://soundcloud.com/ainger/shatter
I think it's pretty incredible, the way all the huge noises are made of countless tiny noises gives me a feeling of absolute destruction. Also the brief periods of silence that end in more violent sounds really kind of puts me on edge.
glad poseurs now have their own general
How do you guys know that its not just random notes/sounds? like theres some essays that i could read in order to understand those ideas and do i need it?
Like this Xenakis..
I mean you need to know music theory or some meme like this?
And yeah, im not trolling just honestly asking
Worth a listen.
>>65442810
Too bad you left it.
>>65442857
You need to know music theory to enjoy any music, otherwise you are only pretending to like it.
>>65442891
Just fucking ignore it. Jesus Christ.
>>65442915
them people who listen top 40 are just pretending?
doesnt make sense
>>65440732
/mu/ is trash as a rule, especially when it comes to anything teenagers can label as pretentious
>>65442980
Yes, what did you not understand about my post? If you are not well versed in music theory there is no point in listening to music as you will never truly understand it or enjoy it.
>>65443060
Can you only enjoy driving a car if you understand mechanics?
Can you only enjoy food if you know how to cook?
>>65443123
Those 2 things are not music related, it's not a good comparison.
>>65443149
Can you only enjoy theatre if you know how to act?
Can you only enjoy fine art if you know how to paint/sculpt?
>>65443123
Why do you so impulsively feed trolls? Are you new here?
>>65443183
>I was only trolling
Nice argument.
>>65443060
>>65443149
I dont understand why do you need to know about theory. That.
i dont know how programmate a video game, still i can enjoy it.
I dont know how to write well, yet i can read it and enjoy it
>>65443181
Yes, those 2 things are art related unlike the car or cooking so yes you do need to know how to do those things to truly enjoy acting or painting/sculpting, otherwise you are just pretending.
>>65443205
>I
He literally just replied to you you fucking idiot. Different posters. But let me guess, you're going to further veer this dead thread off topic by claiming otherwise. Lurk more.
>>65443218
Because video games aren't art, so you don't need to know how to program to "enjoy" them. You know how to write well enough, which is enough to enjoy literature.
>>65443300
"Art is a diverse range of human activities in creating visual, auditory or performing artifacts xpressing the author's imaginative or technical skill, intended to be appreciated for their beauty or emotional power"
How its that not video games? :/
>>65443408
Video games are for children, and children cannot truly appreciate art as their minds have not matured enough yet.
>beauty or emotional power
Which is completely lacking in video games.
>>65443545
There are many games for all the ages. Like in books. Do you only read Harry Potter or what? :S
>Which is completely lacking in video games.
No, are you implying that people like to sit and watch ugly and totally boring ideas
Every /noise/ general is the same.
Nobody talks about this shitty genre because only 3 people actually like it, and eventually the thread stagnates until someone posts bait and you fuckers lap it up every time.
>>65443658
They are all for children or teens at best.
The beauty and emotional power in video games is cheap and saccharine which cannot be said about a great Bach piece, for instance.
>>65418556
Been spinning the new Brood Ma, liking it a fair titch.
Rabit and Dedekind Cut EP from this year anyone? Possible EP of the year for me right now, so densely loaded with goodies.
>>65443761
Back to your containment board.
>>65442383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKA3Ycy5ioI
This is better than anything posted in this thread.
You pretentious people know nothing about real music.
>>65443833
Way to prove him right
>>65443834
Hey that was pretty good, I just followed him on his Youtube.
-Steve Jimson
>>65443852
Non musical discussion is that away.
>>65442383
>>65443956
You'd better head on over there then, since you're so determined to reply to trolls and then whine when someone calls you out on it. Lots of experimental music discussion going on.
>>65444005
You seem to have lost your way buddy, here you go!
>>65442383
Been trying to get into producing experimental music
Hopefully, I will get better.
For now, here's some of my current stuff:
https://soundcloud.com/stahalamora/sets/transmission
>>65444052
You going to talk about music yet?
https://soundcloud.com/bidocea/i-dont-feel-like-giving-a-fuck-today
>harsh noise
>distortion
https://soundcloud.com/bidocea/recurring-nightmare
>glass breaking sounds
>crying
https://soundcloud.com/bidocea/warehouse
>industrial / warehouse sounds
>kind of rhythmic
This is some shit that I made and it feels like it fits the theme of the thread.
Tell me what you think about it if you listen to it.
>>65444212
This is good friend, I buy the download off the Itunes!
- Jack Stevensfield
>>65444581
Thanks Jack, you the reallest nigga 'round here.
This is objectively the best experimental album of all time.
>>65445900
>This is objectively the best album of all time.
fixed
no one on here has any idea what they're talking about and none of this is experimental
>>65446077
Good job bumping the thread then
>>65446118
it was me or some 16 year old posting some awful noise he found on bandcamp
here's some good music for you guys though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MpiI5AxoKc
Is there any album make like this
1.1-Musician 1 make a song entirely alone
1.2-Musician 2 make a song entirely alone
1.3-Musician x make a song entirely alone
2-All those songs are merged as a single song (played at same time, not one song after another end)
3.1-Musician 1 make some song alone, making sure that it REALLY fits with song of step 2
3.2-Musician 1 make some song alone, making sure that it REALLY fits with song of step 2
3.3-Musician 1 make some song alone, making sure that it REALLY fits with song of step 2
4-Song 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 are merged together and it what
4.1-songs 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.... wont be on the album or released, they are just something that must be done because of the way this project works.
>>65446413
The closest one I can think is this.
https://www.discogs.com/Various-RGB-An-Audio-Spectrum-/release/97457
Each artist make song that in their opinion is what the colors would sound like.
On the album you have the separated songs and a third cd is the merged songs together
So its basically, if they didnt made step 3 and 4 and released step 2 and also 1, 2 and 3 of your idea
>>65446238
This is great, I buy the mp3 off Itunes and download it to my Ipod.
- Jack Johansson
Experimental music is trash, listen to some real quality music like this instead of that poseur shite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpriaWot_WE
>>65447755
All modern wellknown music ===== Joanriversjokescore
The /experimental/ troll is literally the most obnoxious ive ever seen on this board
>>65448709
More obnoxious than the newfags who can't ignore him?
