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Hi pals, this is a thread for experimental music discussion. To clarify: Noise, drone, electroacoustic, free improvisation, futurism, indeterminacy, musique concrete, sound collage, and all that good stuff.
What have you been listening to? What have you been making? Movie and literature recommendations, concert experiences, gear, etc. are all welcome
Death Grips and AnCo mostly.
been listening to a lot of death grips lately
>>65403896
I love Bottomless Pit
>>65403896
honestly i can't believe trip metal hasn't caught on on /mu/, wouldn't they love that shit? how is that possible??
>I'm an experimental music man myself, AMM, Brotzmann, Merzbow, the list goes on...
Here's some REAL experimental music for you, chum.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDBM0q7L9do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ63xXjTwaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_pgVaEvrZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAiunvnFnDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-PUDjNycQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqOcoU7aoFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koLPQRpEAVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ssaut4cs8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMFLnlg883I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnbTd2WKYdY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY4aSz5CF0Y
>>65404108
Is that trip hop and metal? Sounds cool
>>65403903
>>65404092
>>65404098
DG is tite, if you like them check out I Am Death, Fuck You by Lil "Yung" Jizza, it's not quite as good but still pretty cool.
Found this cool band called ground ZERO. I like how they play samples from oriental films.
>>65404129
Sounds interesting, just ordered C.D. from Amazon.com.
Ted
>>65404120
no its memes about Wolf Eyes
This is my favorite experimental music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQuGFjkw0A
>>65404138
Good work, Ted. You won't regret it.
>>65404155
What's that, some sort of a Wolf Parade/Bright Eyes tribute band?
>>65404124
Wow this is pretty great anon, I didn't think anybody could compare to the Grips but this is pretty close in quality. The memey artist name made me think it would be shite but it's actually p sweet.
>>65403896
"I like REAL experimental music! Death Grips, Animal Collective, Lil "Yung" Jizza, the list goes on!
Here's an older photo of my instruments and what I do with them.
https://soundcloud.com/ourexitbag/tricky-plexus-what-was-pain
I've been going back through Ruth White's releases...
https://youtu.be/9mUX1l89npg
Anyone know if she worked exclusively with Moog? That's what I've heard, but I swear I hear some Buchla lpgs in the later shit.
No one seemed interested in this last thread but here's a great collection of obscure tapes.
https://archive.org/details/noise-arch
>>65405201
The Archive.org collection is awesome; thank you for posting it.
Good luck with your own music!
>>65404108
Anybody go to TM fest?
Fantano checked out Matmos - Ultimate Care II recently, samples are exclusively from the wash cycle of a front loader
>>65403896
>Noise, drone, electroacoustic, free improvisation, futurism, indeterminacy, musique concrete, sound collage
>experimental in 2016
Sorry, what you actually meant is "unlistenable garbage for avant-teens".
Listening to this for the first time, I'm surprised that I actually find it kind of enjoyable.
What does /experimental/ think of it
>>65406055
This, kek.
The average /mu/ "experimental music" fan's total ignorance and lack of familiarity with the development of "experimental music" and where it is at the moment is hilarious. Dudes are totally out of their element.
>>65406063
Lol.
Getting into Hafler Trio and other longform drone pieces. Looking forward to going to the "Deep Minimalism" weekend at Southbank soon. Anyone else in attendance? Also, Supernormal festival later in the year needs to hurry the fuck up.
Rec me some good EAI bands/artists similar to MIMEO.
Pic related: Pure bliss
>>65406055
>>65406167
The seeds of legitimate discussion have been planted in this thread and you're bitching about the general description instead of furthering the conversation because you're the ignorant faggot you're bitching about faggot.
>>65406055
>>65406167
Our previous thread was very enjoyable and plenty of productive discussion came out from it. You are preventing that from repeating.
If you dislike this general filter it
>>65406319
>legitimate discussion
>le look at me, I'm le experimental man, I listen to onkyo-kei and harsh noise XD what did you think of Merzman's latest?!
Literally not a remote shred of legitimate music discussion in this thread. Not that there is anywhere on /mu/, but it's just a lot funnier here.
>>65406319
There is no legitimate discussion to be had here.
If I attempted to engage in it I would get no replies as my interests in "experimental music" don't overlap much with the entry-level RYMcore, /daily/core and various meme music garbage that gets (badly, very badly) discussed on this board.
What are you expecting me to talk about, Sachiko M, Keiji Haino and Vomir? Get the fuck out of there.
>>65406397
No discussion happened in the last thread. People spent more time bitching about the thread and then bitching about the people bitching about the thread than they did discussing music.
Nobody here has anything substantial to say on any of this music.
>>65406407
>>65406417
What hardware was Ruth White using?
What's significant or overlooked in the Archive.org collection?
How was the first major experimental/industrial festival in a while in the former underground techno capital of the world?
pic related is a really neat noise/sound collage/folk album
I've never really seen it discussed
So is this the thread we label our favorite artists '''''''experimental''''''' to feel superior to ''normies''?
>>65406643
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music
The metaposters had one thing right, most of /mu/ is retarded.
>>65403896
how can something casual and noisy be experimental? If i play random notes on a piano i'm doing "experimental" music?
https://soundcloud.com/pedro-ram-rez/sets/a-man-going-nowhere
Hey, I made this couple of tracks. I think it's somewhere between Harsh Noise and Free Impro.
>>65405201
I like this track better that other you post a week ago.
Great to see the hardware you those sounds with
http://tirestires.bandcamp.com/album/shadowdog
>>65404111
Thanks bro, I really like this.
>>65406859
>somewhere between Harsh Noise and Free Impro
>Harsh Noise
>Free Impro
two movements which require an acute and intimate familiarity with one's chosen performing and recording setup, two movements which require a massive amount of practice, thought and focus and a very intuitive and idiosyncratic relationship with sound and performance in order to result in recordings with even the tiniest level of depth, dimension or character to them.
also two movements which attract a large amount of dabblers too lazy and ignorant to put in the time and effort to create anything of worth, instead falling back on the often abstract nature of the music produced within these genres in order to justify their own dismal and banal output, which certainly seems to be the case here.
what you've posted here is shit. it's an aimless, formless, clueless grey fart. why did you think it was presentable to anyone?
>>65406999
underrated trips
guys, could there be something as close as dub concrète?
>>65406288
>MIMEO
digging this
As far as my knowledge of EAI goes, you can either go with 2 sides of the profile: jazz or electronic.
jazz edge: Supersilent Mnemonist, Formanex, Kontakta
electronic edge: Kassel Jaeger, Gunter Schneider, Eric Glick Rieman, Gottfried Michael Koenig, Guiseppe Ielasi and Howard Stelzer's Night Life is an interesting record. Plus, Graham Lambkin and Jason Lescalleet have an amazing collab album named Air Supply, strongly reccomend
>>65406174
Try Eleh, Dimmer, Thomas Koner. If you want LONG, check out Field Recordings from the Edge of Hell by Dirty Knobs
Did you ever notice? Experimental music is extremely easy to make and experimental/avantagarde musicians are extremely prolific. So why is it considered "deep" and complex and superior to "normal" music?
/money/
>>65406999
Lol, Did you actually listen to the whole set? I posted it because It goes in the vein of things I've been listening and just wanted to get feedback also really liked your last line because it goes with the topic I'm working on.
Here's some of my inspo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHUc6zy73W0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VxBymPxNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZCP5zJUyxY
>>65407918
your inspiration is meaningless to me, it doesn't dignify or redeem your dreck in any way.
>>65406063
it's ok
>>65406859
Anon, that just noise in general.The other anon was a bit harsh. Consider putting some more work next time and don't be discouraged. Make the sound achieve a form.
>>65406663
Experimental is like electronic, a means not a genre or specific style. There is no ''experimental'' genre, only different levels of experimentation in different genres.
The only people who would define music as just ''experimental music'' are insecure pretentious children.
MIMEO - Lifting Concrete Lightly
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-Lifting-Concrete-Lightly/release/534783
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo/lifting_concrete_lightly/
https://a.desu.sh/oonrrs.tar.xz
>>65403896
>avant teens thread
>>65408232
nice virus
Ursula Bogner - Recordings 1969-1988
>https://www.discogs.com/Ursula-Bogner-Recordings-1969-1988/master/87483
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/ursula_bogner/recordings_1969_1988/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/fzsajt.tar.xz
>>65408259
Thanks I guess
MIMEO - Electric Chair + Table
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-Electric-Chair-Table/release/307227
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo/electric_chair___table/
Electric Chair:
https://a.cuntflaps.me/hulrot.tar.xz
Table:
https://a.cuntflaps.me/blzaao.mp3
MIMEO - Sight
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-Sight/release/1050260
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo/sight/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/riuuht.mp3
>>65408154
That's exactly the point I'm making
MIMEO - Queue
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-Queue/release/894132
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo/queue/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/dqbhhn.tar.xz
>>65408283
Xusosis drone fuck off
>>65408389
oh cool, we agree then
>meta shit
>self-promotion
>"i'm listening to this but have nothing to say about it" posts on entry-level meme shit
>bickering
>more meta shit
>context-free link spam
So this... is the power of the /mu/ experimental music fanbase.
MIMEO - Wigry
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-Wigry/release/2889570
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo/wigry/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/vybryn.tar.xz
>>65408434
Sorry I don't keep track of meme identities on /mu/ I'm just looking for music in general.I came upon this artist and I'm listening to it. Now I'm sharing what I currently have in my log.
>>65408498
no, this is a conglomeration of people that don't really know where to start because this thread isn't about much to begin with. the /noise/ thread at least has a direction and genre but this is more just exploring different facets of huge genres with no intention
MIMEO, John Tilbury -The Hands of Caravaggio
>https://www.discogs.com/MIMEO-John-Tilbury-The-Hands-Of-Caravaggio/release/273734
>http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/mimeo_john_tilbury/the_hands_of_caravaggio/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/ryhcne.tar.xz
Rhys Chatham – Pythagorean Dream
>https://www.discogs.com/Rhys-Chatham-Pythagorean-Dream/release/8605226
>https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/rhys_chatham/pythagorean_dream/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/jxmuzo.tar.xz
>>65408550
Someone could make a chart ? We already have really nice ones for noise I think.
>>65407512
I know there's a idm artist that incorporates musique conrete in his sound but I honestly have no idea if I ever heard something that sounds like dub concrete.
>>65408625
>promoting discussion by turning the general into a circlejerk over the same few albums
just let it die
>>65408625
i would say that these genres have less to do with essential albums and more to do with overall ideology relative to any artist's experimentation. If you want a real history of "experimental music", read about artists or eras of artists who experiment with music.
Maybe start with a history of chance music through the 20th century, that's an interesting area. Read Music 109 by Alvin Lucier.
Someone asked about this release in the other thread and I downloaded because I wanted a re-listen so I might as well share.
Matthew Revert. Vanessa Rossetto – Earnest Rubbish
>https://www.discogs.com/Matthew-Revert-Vanessa-Rossetto-Earnest-Rubbish/release/8311445
>https://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/matthew_revert___vanessa_rossetto/earnest_rubbish/
https://a.cuntflaps.me/eltpsd.tar.xz
You're going to have to work on your expression of reason there pal/gal. I was referring to charts for people that want to get into some experimental genre whatever. Or we could just just send them to rym so they can fit into the general avant-teen meme.
2 of 5
Pisaro/Wolff - Looking Around
Piano/Guitar/Electronics Impro
3 of 5
Denley, Lauzier, Martel, Myhr, Normand - Transition de phase
Instrumental whit some electronics
1 of 5
Animist Orchestra - Wuwei
Acoustic Lowercase (forgot pic)
>>65408737
I kinda agree with this. I love minimal lowercase, EAI stuff and stuff like wandelweiser etc but I couldn't really give any albums that stand out. They all just are what they are or something.
4 of 5
Yoshihide, Je Chun, Yeon - Loose Comunity
Instrumental with some electronics (by Sachiko M, so expect sine waves)
>>65408787
is there a download link for this?
>>65408625
''essentials charts'' are a sure way to ruin any genre / discussion.
5 of 5
Mural - Live at Rothko Chapel
Beyond words, so good
>>65408847
or any of these for that matter?
>>65408756
>>65408832
>>65408802
>>65408868
Soulseek
RuTracker
What.cd
Waffles
Napster
Mp3Youtube
>>65408865
hey man where are you from out of curiosity?
I notice you've posted a couple of recordings with Jim Denley. Curious cause he's kinda a mentor of mine.
>>65408737
I wasn't thinking of making an essentials chart. I was thinking about making a "hey try this shit first before wanting to join the funposting" which could include things like Continuum Unbound or Photographs by Lambkin and Lescalleet.
I don't think I have the knowledge required to make a historic chart even though I've dived into early indeterminacy and so called early experimental music.
Thanks for the reading recommendation.
>>65408754
This records is good, Vanessa is a legitimately cool dude, her early viola pieces are meh tho.
>>65408847
>>65408868
>>65408878
I got these records on soulseek.
>>65408892
What do you mean? If you mean geographically i'm italian. I just enjoy Denley works a lot.
More like this pls
>>65408968
forgot pic
>>65408961
yeah I was asking where you live.
are you a musician yourself?
>>65408968
>>65408984
His other stuff ?
tfw they're never coming back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0YyCLRsvs
>>65408985
I just fuck around with a prepared guitar and audiomulch nowadays.
>>65408641
Closest sounding artist I've ever listened to that sounds anything similar to dub concrete would be Sasu Ripatti. I really think that musical language would have a lot of potential tho
Is this experimental music?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI1yUXddXt8
>>65408830
This didn't leave a mark?
>>65409769
>this stale meme
>>65409769
>vision creation newsun
>implying that's even experimental
B8
Just let this die. Stop trying to force a general. Look at what the thread's like already. This board is full of garbage memery and so is its community. Come back in a week and just make an experimental thread, not and /experimental/ thread.
>>65411058
You seem to be awfully adamant and I think you posted this more than once though you phrases don't make sense.
>Just let this die.
A single individual encouraging thread abandoning because
>Stop trying to force a general. Look at what the thread's like already.
there were two /experimental/ threads in the last few days and something related to a thread on 4chan isn't to his liking;
>This board is full of garbage memery and so is its community. Come back in a week and just make an experimental thread, not and /experimental/ thread.
Will the board not be full of garbage memery in a week ? Why must we wait a week and what's wrong with cataloging a thread with a certain tag ?
>>65411938
You're being pretentious and evading the point because you just want to keep the thread up. Whatever, keep that delusion that I've posted more than once in this thread. I'm guessing your one of the ones in the last one that was whining about metaposters screwing up the posting quality while contributing nothing but a whining reply and then bumping with a random word.
>>65411938
>there were two /experimental/ threads in the last few days
Last few hours. It hasn't even been a day since the last one.
>Isn't to his liking
Are you retarded? I'm just sick of coming here to fucking ironic Death Grips memery on an experimental thread. Do you really think that's quality posting? That and YT links to gachimuchi? Have you even read this thread?
>Will the board not be full of garbage memery in a week?
No, but that'll give enough time to where discussion isn't as stale as a fucking rock and space out between shitty threads.
>>65411938
>what's wrong with cataloging a thread with a certain tag?
Because the whole reason these threads are shit now is because it's been a general. Don't pretend this isn't an attempt at extending /noise/. In a general, the same sort of posters are going to be encouraged to just spam links to bump the thread without any other discussion, and priority will be on keeping it alive instead of anything else. The mindset that comes with a general after enough time is to turn it into a circlejerk, which, despite us promising ourselves two years ago that it wouldn't happen, still happened with /noise/. Just an untagged thread will erase the shit that's been branded onto the general and instead encourage decent discussion. Not difficult. Give it time.
For the sake of something more substantive, what has come out in the last few years that YOU think is experimental/or avant garde? Not some kind of EAI or free improv stuff which is now way over a decade old, but like stuff that nobody else is really doing that could be considered ahead of its time.
>>65412090
Ok, I get what you're getting at. Just two questions:
1.Why are you still on /mu/ ?
2.Where else can I talk about experimental music ?
>>65412387
nothing rings a bell, but seconding
>>65412090
>Don't pretend this isn't an attempt at extending /noise/
not everything is about that general, retard. Calm down and realize that fucking unty started this shit, not /noise/
>>65412387
Maybe not groundbreaking but still interesting to me is the rock duo "Regler" which tries to reinterpret different kinds of genres with a traditional rock lineup. I have yet to check out most of their work but their "harsh noise wall" was rather impressive executed. Here's what Vomir wrote in the liner notes:
"One day I received an email from Mattin. We've been in touch before, though we never met, but his written, performed and recorded work had always a special interest on me for so long now. The mail presented the work you have now in your hands. It said: 'I have a project with Anders from Brainbombs, in which we set up rules and try to do different genres of music with rock instruments. We have done a recording regel #4 (harsh noise wall)'.
Boom.
In my head.
I knew other recordings by REGLER released on Turgid Animal and 8mm. Those already got me hooked. But now, here was the HNW genre. And this genre is very important to me. It is my core. And now we get Hardcore Wall.
All Hails."
look it up on bandcamp, it's intriguing and I know of no other project tackling this subject
>>65403896
beep beep
>>65411058
No, I'm gonna keep posting it and it will be a thing, the underage memers will leave after a while.
>>65415095
No they won't, and these threads will just keep having the same links and the same posts as you force them to stay alive sans discussion.
>>65415119
Maybe, but if these threads keep annoying shit taste plebians I'll keep posting them anyway since it's funny to read the butthurt.
>>65404124
This is p good desu, you make this?
>>65404111
Good stuff, very hard and sticky.
>>65408878
>Mp3Youtube
