The new Voltron is out on Netflix now, and last thread is in auto-sage.
Voltron Thread.
But who is best girl?
Pic related.
>>14342175
>Hey kid, wanna /ss/?
>>14342175
The obvious answer isboth
>>14342175
Search your feelings.
>>14342184In this case it should really be /ll/
>>14342175
>forces trousers off
>"oh my...this is even better than I expected!"
>>14342184/ll/
>Ep 2
>taking the piss out of the over long and pointlessly complex launch sequence
>>14342184
>/ss/
Wellllll.....
Binge watched the entire thing, and I thought it was pretty solid. The weakest part is by far the soundtrack, which is "okay" at some points, but is pretty much unmemorable.
Compare it to the original US version of it, which at least had a cool opening and Peter Cullen narration.
The team dynamic works, the humor never gets to be too much, and brown space elf Allura is a change I heartily approve of.
Unrelated, but this just happened.
>>14342201
I do like how Genre aware this show seems to be.
I have a feeling the writing staff has some solid /m/ leanings.
They're not just making a show.
>>14342175
>But who is best girl?
Original
>>14342196
>>14342202
I know, but the shot is too good to not make that joke.
>>14342203
>brown space elf Allura
Worst decision of the show.
>>14342218
She was completely useless even for token 80s show female pilots. Fuck I think Chizuru from Combattler did more than she did.
>Looks up who did Allura
>Kimberly Books, also did work on Steven Universe
>Gotta be Garnet with an English Accent that thick.
>Is Malachite
>>14342225
I willrespect your decision, but you are wrong.
>>14342168
Repit Sah!
All for Zarkon!
>>14342238
>$currentyear
>not watching mecha anime with subs
Nigga...
>>14342203
>The weakest part is by far the soundtrack
So, wait, do they seriously never play the original theme? Not even one "Duhhh duh duh-duh, duh-duh-daaaa!"?
>>14342232
No, i'm right.
>that post from the last thread now makes me want a doujin where Galeon has to deal with a Golion harem
>>14342267
>hates sexy brown girls
You might be on the wrong board, son. Have you tried /pol/?
>>14342267
nah, you're a poser who never saw the original. Allura was terrible. literally awful.
>>14342278
You never say the original. She was a great character.
>>14342275
No I dislike the generic and bland design they gave her. She's unrecognizable now.
>>14342278
>Allura was terrible. literally awful.
So you didn't watch the show.
>>14342285
>bland
>brown space elf vs blonde in pink.
Ok, so you're either trolling, or completely retarded.
>>14342290
No, her new design is generic and bland.
Looks like we have some Princess Peach fans who got in the wrong thread.
>>14342231
She was jasper primarily and on an unrelated note shinobu from no more heroes
>>14342280
First her name was Farla and two she was pretty useless. Other than to gattai for golion, she was pretty much always the guinea pig to show how powerful the mechablack/deathblack beastmen were or the damsel in distress for Sincline or Honerva's traps. Even the 100 Ton Punch episode outright acknowledges her uselessness.
>>14342299
her old design was a boring disney knock off
both are generic but brown space elves > disney princesses
>>14342313
Wrong
>>14342313
Pretty much.
>>14342310
>she was pretty useless.
Proving you didn't watch the show.
>>14342238
SUCCESS OR DEATH
VOTE ZARKON 2016
>>14342325
Go on then.
Name something useful she did.
I'll just wait here while you google furiously.
>>14342337
She kicked a garla soldier in the balls
Once
>>14342337
She saved the day as much as the rest of them.
> Thread about a big robot show on the big robot show discussion board.
> Turns out it's actually about whether Princess Peach or Princess Zelda is the best girl.
Why...?
>>14342337
Piloting the blue Lion when everyone else was telling her she shouldn't because she's a princess, taking down ships with the castle's turrets and her lion to start.
>>14342353
Such is the fate of all /m/ threads
>>14342353
It's more like zelda vs cia.
>>14342305
Sorry, I got the fusion mixed with the original. Still funny to think about.
>>14342168
The real question is who is the semen demon of this show?
>>14342379
The new one, not GoLion.
>>14342367
>It's more like zelda vs cia.
Ahh, that battle in Hyrule Warriors was great
>>14342353
aurora vs kida
>>14342353
Zelda is better tho
>>14342353
waifu wars
>>14342393
So you agree that the original is better too.
>>14342227
Isn't she the first of characters that go from a supporting role to an active role in these kind of shows?
Usually, the ladies end up piloting the support machine or some sort of fem-bot
I don't know, I haven't seen Golion in full, so I don't know if she ends up getting captured all the time or something
So is this out? where do I watch it?
it was shit in the 80's and its shit now
>>14342285
I can see bland, but generic?
How often do you see a design like hers?
Even in animu, designs like hers are still pretty rare
>>14342406
Literally in the OP.
Why are the Space Elves Australian/New Zealandian?
>>14342353
This is /m/
The longer the thread, the more discussion, and the more chance it'll turn to shit.
Is Keith what they would call 'autism moe'?
man episode 3 was nice and all but they wasted a perfect opportunity for the Obari sword pose
So if I don't have Netflix can I watch it anywhere else?
>>14342434
Im sure a torrent will pop up but you can get a month for free as a trial
>>14342434
Correct. Well, without piracy.
Netflix is kinda cheap tho. And they got Daredevil, too.
>>14342434
You'll probably have to wait for torrent or a stream.
Goddamn, feels good to have a buddy who lets me hog his account every once in a while.
>>14342431
They'll get it right...I hope.
>>14342434
>>14342440
>>14342442
Jesus, it's like $7, you fucking brokefags.
Not available in Japan.
But it's based on a Japanese show REEEEEEEEEE
>>14342441
And Peaky Blinders.
>>14342419
it's set in Europe 50 years from now.
>>14342448
Hey sorry I am saving up money to get out of my shitty apartment which with a car payment and rent it eats up my fucking paycheck.
>>14342448
I got Amazon Prime instead. So he can use that if he wants.
Although their original programming is kinda ass for the most part. So the question has never come up.
>>14342448
>too cheap to pay for crunch roll
>getting Netflix
>>14342463
I got crunchy, amazon, and netflix.
Total cost is less than $30 a month.
...and I still torrent shit.
Do the she-lions have unique abilities.
How many episodes will it run?
>>14342374
Haggar.
>>14342480
Season 1 is 11 episodes. They're all up now, because netflix realized people like to binge shit anyway, so fuck weekly release.
so toys when?
>>14342487
Shit, I better get in on that sweet lion action then.
Is Goku's voice actor still playing the witch?
>we both lost out fathers
>BUT I"M GETTING MINE BACK
jeeez dude, thats insensitive as fuck.
>>14342507
sounds like that one chick who does literally every black chick
>>14342478
Yep. Red Lion has heat laser. Blue lion has freeze laser. Red Lion is the key to Form Blazing Sword. Yellow Lion is a fucking tank and can smash things with its body and is super strong. Black Lion has the jaw blade thing it can summon and grip in its jaws to slash up the enemy plus more. Only on ep 7. Also Green lion has a stealth field.
>>14342501
God yes. I'd love a new Voltron toy. Problem is, it'd be shitty breakable plastic, not awesome dye-cast.
Fuck.
>>14342507
I want Surfer Dub Goku as her
>>14342501
really unlikely
>>14342521
Not that unlikely. Playmates has already signed up to license toys for the show.
Probably just waiting to see if shit catches fire.
This netflix shit is turning the old rules on their fucking heads, man.
>>14342514
Cree Summer?
>>14342532
>Netflix will bring about the age of AnimatedKINO
crazy times bro
>>14342516
Are the individual lions actually worth a damn in a fight? Few shows actually do that, so it'd be enough to convince me to watch it if they're able to beat something without combining
>>14342514
....Cree Summers?
I was just making fun of the fact that Honerva (and Suzuishi) are voiced by Masako Nozawa, who is mostly known for voicing Goku
>>14342532
>Actual toy licensing for a non-Transformers western mecha show
Has the time come? Have western developers finally learned their lesson?
>>14342549
So far, they do decently against ships, and are probably capable to taking out one battleship together, but can't beat giant monsters (this doesn't mean they're useless, they try to get creative in one episode).
>>14342549
damn nigga, who cares, it's fucking Voltron, not Green Lion and Friends.
>>14342545
I mean, not to get ahead of shit, but if Voltron does well, we could very well see the return of original western cartoons.
They're already in talks with DC to reboot Justice League, IIRC.
>>14342549
Oh yeah. They smash through Galra Ships pretty well. Taking on RoBeasts individually is a no go though.
Is it actually good, or is it just kinda generic and whatever but people are jerking off?
>>14342580
it's solid. it's got a few hiccups, the comedy doesn't always land on it's feet but over all I hope it catches on
>>14342564
I like a little more variety in my fight scenes than "VOLTRON SMASH THING WITH SWORD" all the time, and like, why even make robots that combine if there's no point in them ever decombining?
>>14342580
It's Captain Earth and Heroman level.
It's an American rehash, but nerds will get off on it cause nostalgia and MUH CARTOONS.
If you like capeshit quips with your mechs, it's fine.
>>14342569
As long as it has the same writer I am fine with this.
>>14342597
But Heroman was awesome.
>>14342590
>why gattai at all
dis nigga for real?
>>14342590
Robots that combine are more fun to play with.
>>14342586
>the comedy doesn't always land on it's feet
It wouldn't be so bad but some scenes feel like every other line needs to try and be funny. they need to just cool it a bit
>>14342604
good, then you should love this
>>14342597
>putting Captain Earth and Heroman on the same level
Heroman might have been on the boring side, but it wasn't so bad it deserves that kind of insult
>>14342617
Fucking great then.
>>14342580
It's not bad. I'm about half way through.
The animation really looks good.
Goofy, Avatar-esque humor breaks things up, and keeps things interesting.
The plot is solid, the scripts are genre aware.
Fuck, it's a better show than some Moon language /m/ shows I've seen lately.
7/10 from me.
>>14342590
>why even make robots that combine if there's no point in them ever decombining?
YOU NEED TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS THREAD AND BOARD
>>14342625
Yeah, good for you.
>>14342590
I'm not even mad.
I just feel really bad for you.
>>14342638
>>14342644
He's not wrong. You can make the individual mechs useful ontop of the combined one.
fuck even Dancouga Nova occasionally got that right.
So how long does it take for someone to rip Netflix shows? All I can find is the first episode in 480p at nyaa of all places.
>>14342638
>>14342644
>>14342610
>Actually liking meaningless gattai
>Wanting to see combining stock footage every episode
>Not wanting to steadily build the villain's threat level to where the individual robots can no longer compete
>Not wanting to be hype as fuck when they actually do combine
This generation cannot understand the concept of delayed gratification. It's truly sad.
>>14342643
Why do you seem kind of bitter, anon
>>14342590
You force the kids to buy 5 instead of just one.
Also give the poor kid the ability to buy the cheap arm lion who can't buy the bigger one ;_;
>>14342674
They are dumped all at once so it'll take a day or two to process, so by tomorrow or later.
>>14342683
My GF dumped me and I'm too old, fat and lazy to get a new one.
>>14342684
>5 friends each buy a separate lion
>Combine voltron
>who gets to play with it
>never made any monsters
goddamnit, Satan
>>14342699
Yeah, but a kid's mecha show didn't do that
>>14342590
You know that mecha like these usually end up using their strongest weapon to finish off the enemy, right?
Especially if they combine? I mean, unlike popular belief, you will see other weapons, but usually, they're going to be SMASHING THINGS WITH SWORD
You knew what you got into, just be glad they're even useful uncombined.
>>14342709
It's alright, I've been angry all week.
>>14342710
Oh, I know how it goes. I've seen Voltes, Combattler, Dancouga, etc. Dancouga was better about that, at least.
I'm just hopeful that things might be different since it's a western developer doing this
>>14342218
He ment best girl, not most boring. The original Al did barely anything until the she started piloting blue.
I love how they balanced her.
She's the right amounts of ballbusting, sensible and at times comedic without any of it feeling forced.
>>14342757
She is very Katara, in my opinion. Very very Katara.
>>14342724
The Braves have some neat variety on occasion as well in the later entries (like J-Decker's McCrane actually getting to blow up a monster with his boomstick).
>>14342762
>>14342757
It's just Katara, but more bland.
>>14342434
Jesus fucking christ, what's wrong with you? This isn't like demainding $300 for a full blu-ray set. This is 7 FUCKIGN DOLLARS A MONTH. If you are so god damn cheap you can't even afford that then you are a seriously fucked up indidiual.
SUPPORT VOLTRON. FUCKING SUPPORT IT NOW!!!
>>14342768
You havn't gotten to the later episodes, have you?
>>14342773
wow what a token action
>>14342769
Mate, I would if I could but Netflix hates money and won't release in my country.
>>14342724
Well yeah, Dancougar doesn't get it's "finisher" until the end of the series, and they had to make an OVA for that.
Hell, it doesn't even appear until halfway in the show.
>>14342762
>>14342768
Nah, Katara was pretty annoying and her attempts at comedy fell really flat.
Alura actually gets to be fun instead of having to play the moral spoilsport all the time.
>>14342580
it's better than stuff like Exkaiser, Godsigma, Raideen, Jeeg etc
it's on a par with midtier super robot shows, which is a lot better than what there has been recently
also Space Elf Nigel Thornberry owns
>>14342808
...He is space elf Nigel Thornberry isn't he?
>>14342808
it's certainly A LOT better than the previous..every voltron reboot
also getting Messer vibes from Shiro
Torrent? Stream link? DDL? Something?
Poor /m/ anon without Netflix
>>14342843
http://animeflavor.me/cartoon/voltron-legendary-defender
How do the CGI fights rank on the CGI Mecha scale?
Fafner Exodus?
MJP?
Macross Delta?
Aquarion Logos?
>>14342852
>CGI scale
>no Yukikaze
oh you're just prejudiced against planes, aren't ya?
>>14342852
It lacks the smears of Studio Orange's CG approach but the CG in Voltron runs at a full 24 FPS. It's okay I guess?
>>14342852
original Voltron.. so Vandread
>>14342778
And she saved Voltron with it.
>>14342852
Shouldn't Zoids be in the list? I mean this show has animal mechs and all.
>>14342888
>>14342864
I'm just listing the most recent ones with CGI I've watched.
>>14342769
I would if I could but as I explained here>>14342458
My paycheck is only a certain amount. I am more interested in getting a nicer place than worrying about a subscription streaming service.
There's a ton of cameos from other /m/ anime in the series.
Episode 1 you can spot Roy Focker at the 5:35 timestamp
Why didn't he get Bret and Jemaine a gig on Arus?
I have three questions before I watch this
DOES SHIRO STILL DIE
IS ANYONE GAY, LESBIAN, BI, OR TRANSGENDER? (Korra writers I know there's fucking one and Shiro's new design screams fag)
IS THERE QUALITY PORN YET?
>>14342931
>DOES SHIRO STILL DIE
No
>IS ANYONE GAY, LESBIAN, BI, OR TRANSGENDER? (Korra writers I know there's fucking one and Shiro's new design screams fag)
No
>IS THERE QUALITY PORN YET?
No
>those lion head bunny slippers in episode 2
Dammit, I want those now.
So, would Netflix for other countries have this dubbed? Specifically, I want to know if there's a spic dub.
>>14342976
There is a dub in Spanish
>>14342976
There's a Spanish language option on Netflix US.
>>14342954
nah you need one blue and one yellow.
also consider, red and green lion oven mits
>>14342947
no quality porn yet? that's impossible
>>14342905
heh
>>14342193
Fixed that for you.
>>14342995
why, it just came out, and Japs are not interested.
You'll get garbage pin ups from dA weebs, some cute Koreans ones and a whole lot of pretty shitty doodles, like most western shit
Episode 8 monster reminded me so much of eva 2-0 berserk mode.
i think it was the teeth.
>mfw 2 episodes until i end the series
its good, i had fun watching it.
Gave it the four episode rule.
Bland and boring as white bread.
>>14343017Maybe you shouldn't then, like every dreamworks netflix cartoon, it has a season ending cliffhanger.
>they get the twist out of the way just when it was getting very obvious,
>the whole team shrugs it off and Pidge is never "girls can do everything guys can too!!"
>the reason she pulled a Mulan wasn't because of gender politics
10/10. I'm a little disappointed Lance isn't desperate enough to hit on her though.
>>14343024
you can tell it's bland by the title, dingus
>>14343008
lol
>>14342995
Expect one of the Princess and maybePidge once the secret gets out.
>>14343029
What the fuck is that thing on the top-right!?
>>14343042
she's better as a trap
>>14343046
I just thought of something kinda lewd right now not gonna lie.
>>14343045
An ancient evil Puss in Boots allowed to set upon the world.
>>14343064
fess up, I might draw it
fucking Lance
>>14342931
I'm on Episode 9
Shiro and Keith are both bisexual and Allura is pansexual (alien planet means no Earth norms)
What the fuck did you think was gonna happen when they made half the main cast brown people for no reason. And made Shiro be Shiro instead of Sven despite the show being called Voltron
>>14343084
b-but can she grow a dick?
>>14343008
fixed fixed that for you
>>14343092
No but knowing this is by the Korra writers Keith is gonna have a love triangle with Shiro and Allura and Allura is gonna choose Pidge over Keith
>>14343075
I'm gonna spoiler this shitPidge looking at you embarrassingly but lustfully due to having some lingerie underneath the clothes and only showing you while the rest of the crew is in the backround in the frame turned away from you both. Pidge is whispering "I don't want them to find out." Thus showing hints of a girlish figure underneath
Fuck, why do I do this to myself.
>>14343084
>muh diversity
I shoulda known they'd shove this shit down our throats when Hunk, Allura, and Lance were made into some Indian, Arab, poop skin mix color
>>14343084
>>14343106
Stop replying to yourself /pol/
>>14343084
>There's not a single straight white male in the entire roster
D R O P P E D
R
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P
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>>14343095
Fuck that is good.
>>14343106
Its actually fine though. You gotta be drinking the /pol/ade pretty hard to get pissy about that.
>>14343106
>muh diversity
give it a rest
>>14343042
I'm kinda intoPidge. Reverse traps are my fetish
>>14343111
Whut? They all seem pretty straight.
Has shitposting already started? Its day 1 guys. At least wait till day 2 or 3.
>>14343108
>I want every character to be middle eastern and gay!
There's literally no reason for them to do this outside of push an agenda like they did with Korra. If they want to be faithful they make them all yurops like Voltron or all Nips like Go Lion.
no shota no buy
>>14343125
Only the mice are gay you retard.
>>14343120They kinda were at first, now its pretty full blown, still like the Princess though.
>>14343123
Keith is the only white male in the core cast and he's pretty clearly gay as fuck for Shiro
>>14343111
They were all Japanese anyway, dingus
>>14343123
Shiro and Keith have a lot of the same signs as Korra and Asami.
>>14343084
>>14343106
>>14343111
This is why people don't like you, /pol/. Your furry-tier bullshit like this.
>>14343142
What, the old "if I write two people as close friends that means they're gay oh wow I'm so progressive aren't I?" skidoo?
>>14343142
You mean close friendship?
>>14343138
I can deal with all normal Japanese like my anime or all whites like the original japanese
you told me it'd be fine even though its the Korra team doing this
You told me there would be no agenda pandering
But when there's no straight white males and as a matter of fact the only two straight males in the series are both inept, womanizers, ugly, and/or assholes is 100% agenda pushing.
I'll watch this up until the point they make Keith and Shiro gay for each other.
>>14343137
More like a hero worship.
Then again I have only seen 2 episodes.
Even if he is you must be new here, /m/ is gay as fuck.
>>14343154
just because they suck each other's dick now and then, it didn't mean they're fags
>>14343154
>>14343155
as close as they can be and still be a children's show
>>14343162
Hey Pidge is shying away and the Princess is having none of that so someone has to.
>>14343161
He's Oberyn Martell mode where he doesn't care about gender.
So yeah bisexual pretty much
and it happened as foretold.
SPACE GAYS!
Voltron: Sodomizer of the Universe!
>>14343156
>MUH CULTURE WARS on /m/
>threaten to quit the show
you'll be missed
>Korra
>Two of the main female characters are gay for each other
>Everyone likes it and praises it
>Voltron
>Two of the main male characters are gay for each other
>HOW DARE YOU DO THIS
So many gross as fuck cis men here.
>>14343175
Who the fuck likes Korra? It was so bad it killed the Avtar Universe worse that M shamayalamadingdong
>arabs
>gays
>gender dysphoria
>furries
I dunno what I expected from this show
Can't I just have my robots fighting evil robots for half an hour with cheesy english voice acting?
will say one thing, they're being amazingly restrained with the 80s wank
>>14343178
quality lewds tho
>>14343178
>Who the fuck likes Korra?
the same people who FOR SOME REASON unironically like RWBY
>>14343184
There are plenty of shows for that. Brown space elves and reverse traps are top tier and improve the experience
>>14343190
>you wil never own an octoroon love slave on your plantation
jdimsa
>>14343206
So for the lewds?
>>14343162
They could just be part of the D-Club.
>>14343175
>Two of the main female characters are gay for each other
You mean
>two of the female characters are written so inept that their friendship is confused for homosex, and the writer, being a total hack, says yeah that was the plan and gets all self-congratulatory for it
>>14343207
Not when the fucking robot shows up 1 hour and 4 minutes into a 1 hour and 8 minute episode
If I wanted brown elves I'd watch porn or play Muramasa
>>14343206
>>14343178
korra is to /co/ what gundam is to /m/
>>14343220
Of course the introduction episode saves the robot for the end. There's plenty more robot action in all the episodes afterward.
>>14343185
Huh, Zarkon's pretty badass. That's unexpected.Guess they'll have to make Lotor badass too if he's gonna have a prayer of overthrowing his old man
>>14343229
Im only just starting episode 8 and while I love that the Lions have been super useful Voltron itself has only been shown pretty sparingly and honestly really isn't quite as useful as the component mechs
>>14343105
this pidge is a boy, right?
>Think Pidge is a cute boy just that
>Pidge is a girl, a cute girl
>now i want to fuck the cute boy that is a girl
goddammit that wasn't supposed to happen.
Also pretty solid, hopefully we get season 2 soon(its gonna be yearly isn't it? fuck), fucking cliffhangers, but pretty solid, i like the lion's design, i like the voltron design(except the fact that the mouth doesn't open and haza! face its like a veil that retracts), opening is lacking a good song.
>>14343229
Nah it continues like that every episode
Very little Voltron action
>>14343239
Pidge is a girl.
>>14342429
Pretty much, seems typical of the good looking ones nowadays.
I doubt Shiro will die and he will stay on as a pilot. Probably also why they made Pidge a girl, to have their girl pilot since Allura probably won't pilot or if she does it will be a one off time.
>>14343105
Made me wish Incog or Simon/Conoghi accept commissions 'cause I will pay a lot for that shit and them some.
>>14343267
>implying they wont go Sentai mode and make Allura the 6th
I 100% don't doubt the Korra writters going full progressive and throwing in another Lion into Voltron for no other reason than being progressive
>>14343220
They wanted to keep away from the bad writing trope of the answer to every problem is to throw Voltron at it.
Sometimes the answer is to throw the pilots or the lions at it.
That's why they all have their own bayard.
>>14343229
>justifying 2 minutes of Voltron action hour of 1 hour
Fuck right off of /m/
Same people they defended fucking Zaido when that shit was a thing
>>14343274
By "progressive" you mean "bad writing" I hope.
>>14343268
Simon/Conoghi are up there but Incog is basic as hell, bro
>>14343275
thats why you make shit thats as strong as Voltron for Voltron to fight
this ain't hard Super robot anime has had that answer solved for literally decades
>>14343105
You should post this in the /co/ or/aco/ drawthread. I'd want to see it done.
>>14343254
Im glad they're not doing the monster of the week thing but there's an opposite extreme too
>>14343274
>the sixth lion is a huge futa cock and balls
>>14343274
>>14343278
I wouldn't object to a 6th Lion if done write.
>>14343289
dunno about you but voltron hasn't been bad guy of the week for a long time and I'd like it back
>>14343287
/aco/ it is then.
>>14343185
>no card theme
Intothetrashitgoes.jpg
>>14343291
>the midseason upgrade is a second cock
Anyone shirtless on the show?
>>14343286
>thats why you make shit thats as strong as Voltron for Voltron to fight
You're misunderstanding. It's not an issue of power levels, it's an issue of every episode boiling down to the same thing.
zarkon sends a robeast
they form voltron
pretend to struggle
some kind of moral or call back to earlier in the episode
blazing sword
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>14343301
Pidge
twice
>>14343294
>>14343287
underage, nope
>>14343175
Actually I hated Korra for trying to make a gay couple from their mess of an ending, so they could say that if anyone doesn't like it, they don't like progress.
They played the shipping/melodrama game and basically threw everyone in a relationship dumpster, and then pulled this out at the end.
People with shipper glasses will call it great. Anyone with common sense or asking for any decency in writing will be asking when the fuck that happened.
You wants a lesbian couple? Go right ahead. But put some fucking effort into it.
>>14343303
I'm not seeing how this is an issue.
>>14342852
The action scenes aren't as nice as Exodus or MJP, but it's more fluid than Delta.
>no Opening theme song
>very little Voltron action
>gays, browns, furries, and traps all over the place
>Korra writers
>>14343311
They're already better than MJP because they don't look like they were shot in a food processor.
>>14343303
>I'm SO tired of genre fiction
oh, /m/
I have to think about this.
amazon 99 a year so 8.25
Netflix is 8.99, though I have the old plan for streaming and dvds/blu rays in mail, so 14.99. Old website was better for dvds.
Cruchyroll $6.95
8.25
6.95
8.99
24.19 or if you're me 30.19.
>>14343303
How is that a problem? You're on the wrong board.
And you know you mix it up with:
Bad guy beats Voltron
Next episode team needs to work out their shit
Rematch
They beat bad guy
Its like you don't even like /m/ anime
>>14342931
>>14342947
the right answer is actually Not Yet, it's just season 1. Trust me I'm from the future.
>>14343303
All of the "You don't like gay? Go back to /pol/" and this posts shows me /m/ has been infiltrated by /co/ and tumblr fucks
Get out
>>14343319
>>14343310
>it's okay for shows to be dumb because I'm an idiot who will eat whatever's shit on my plate
>>14343175
>>Two of the main male characters are gay for each other
did i miss this?
what
did i fall for bait?
>>14343329
You watch Super Robot for cool pilots saying cool things and robots fighting not a story.
Get the fuck out
>>14343322
>>14343328
>Its like you don't even like /m/ anime
see this is how you can tell a show is shit. Instead of actual defenses we get "HUR DUR GET OUT"
>>14343303
People like you are the reason star driver was hated here.
>>14343306
So are a vast fucking majority of characters that get content on /aco/.
Literally tons, holy fuck where is the drawfag request thread on this fucking board?
>>14343313
>No OP
SERIOUSLY!?
WHAT. THE. FUCK!? I TAKE BACK WHAT I SAID ABOUT THIS SHOW APPEARING TO BE GENRE SAVVY, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER CRASHGRAB PRETENDING THAT IT KNOWS WHAT ITS DOING.
>>14343303
Literally why are you here
This show sure has some nice cinematic angles...
>>14343303
There's literally nothing wrong with that.
You make a super robot anime
Have the super robot fight.
What this show is trying to do isn't even something different for Super Robot genre and even the Voltron franchise.
Its almost been universally hated and known as a bad idea.
Please post lewd Pidge at once
>>14343339
Star Driver was hated for being shit
>>14343337
>show up to the Chocolate Cake Club meeting
>tell everyone that chocolate cake sucks and you hate it
>they tell you to get out then
>BAWWWW YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE AN ARGUMENT
>>14343337
this is bad bait because this post makes no sense
like instead of trying to bait people you're just being confusing
>calls show shit
>calls people calling a show shit 'defending' a show
Like literally what are you trying to say?
>>14343342
There is an OP, though. That anon is a faggot who didn't watch passed the first episode. There's TONS of robot action, NO gays and NO furries unless you count EVERY alien a furry... but if you do you're a fucking idiot.
>>14343316
true, but I'm just thinking of action scenes, MJP has some great ones.
>>14343286
No, you make a threat so strong voltron has to split up and take it on from multiple angles.
It's exciting, like when Shin beat Kira by continually disassembling and reassembling his gundam.
>>14343355
>All chocolate cake has to follow the same boring recipe and no one should try to make theirs stand out
>>14343360
>Tons of robot action
No dude watch the show
There's very little Voltron used. The individual Lions get to do work but next to no actual Voltron and there's no opening theme song like Go Lion or even the original Voltron
>>14343349
Gotta request over at /aco/
hopefully it picks up steam.
>>14343371
>MAN I WISH SOMEONE WOULD MAKE A CHOCOLATE CAKE WITHOUT ANY FUCKING CHOCOLATE IN IT......
>>14343360
Episode 4 here dude
Still no OP
Still Voltron being kept to a 2-4 minutes an episode
Always relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcV0bK1UwCg
>>14343349
gimme a ref
>>14343156
>no straight white males
There aren't any in this thread either, what's the problem?
I actually kinda liked they didn't use Voltron every time, yes i would have loved to watch Voltron everytime but it makes the long transformation sequence special everytime it happens.
Hopefully we get more Voltron on season 2.
Like a lot more.
At least throw weak giant monsters for Voltron to destroy in 1 minute like in super sentai, just to see the robot.
>>14343373
I can't see how anybody can be interested in anything about this new Voltron aside from the cute girl
It's fucking Voltron, come on
From what I can tell everyone that is saying the show is good is also saying
>YOU DON'T LIKE NON-WHITE, POTENTIALLY GAY MEN AS THE MAIN CHARACTERS? GO BACK TO /pol/
>WHY SHOULD WE HAVE ROBOT ACTION IN A SHOW ABOUT ROBOTS FIGHTING!! YOU ONLY LIKE SHIT!!!
>>14343372
I said ROBOT, not Voltron. Infact, I think it's great that they don't spam Voltron every fucking episode. Makes it more interesting. >>14343377
You do know Netflix has a retarded feature where if you watch episodes continuously it skips passed the opening on the next episode, right?
>>14343388
Way to be a generalizing faggot, anon.
God fucking dammit, these Voltron threads were fine until your special breed of inept retarded came in to ruin everything. /m/ will never fucking change.
>>14343367
>Preferring Keith to be shirtless over the superior skintight pilot suits
gay
>>14343388
I'm gonna need an image linking individual "it's good" posts to SJW posts or "why are you on /m/ if you don't like this formula" posts to verify this.
>>14343372
>The individual Lions get to do work
You realize the individual Lions are also robots?
Wow, the shitflinging is ramping up even faster than it did for IBO.
>>14343377
>Episode 4
>Still no OP
It was literally in the beginning of Episode 2, just because there are no lyrics does not mean there is no OP.
>>14343387
Hey I am just asking drawfags to help us out. I usually don't do that and I think I have it right. I don't fucking know.
>>14343391
The show is fucking called Voltron why do you think people are watching it? There's a difference between having some portion of the series showing off the individual parts of the super robot doing work and showing next to no Voltron at all and having the individual parts do everything.
Defend of the Universe my ass.
> Watch the whole series earlier in the day.
> Come to /m/ to check other reactions
> People are talking about /pol/ stuff and some characters being gay.
> tfw you saw exactly none of this, and you're wondering wht people are naking it up.
Back on the subject of robotics:
- I hope they play arpund more with the link the pilots have with their lions. I feel there is some potential there.
- Currently Voltron seems kind of weak, but that's mainly because the pilots are still learning. I'm expecting some hax to be revealed in due time.
- Underground crystal-tan was best girl.
>>14343355
>>14343376
It's funny you used cake as a metaphor, because the thing about cake is that after a while?
It goes stale
>>14343084
Stop making shit up faggot
>>14343391
Voltron has not been "use Voltron every episode" since the 70s/80s.
The show is also called Voltron.
Imagine if you used this logic with any other Super Robo anime like GetterRobo? "Man I hate that they use GetterRobo every episode in an anime called GetterRobo" Thats what you sound like
I still don't get where the gay comes from.
Shiro and Keith? are they gay?
they didn't look gay to me.
did i skip the gay episode by accident or what.
Also the number of brows is fine, at least they are pale brown and not black black like nigga gangsta black.
>>14343399
But better than Kuromukuro.
>>14343332
>did i fall for bait?
Yes.
>>14343206
RWBY is fine.
>>14343400
cute
>>14343137
Stop. How are we different from Tumblr again?
>>14343405
That's an individual cake, you twit. If we extended your feelings on MotW to actual cake, no one would eat cake now because it was invented hundreds of years ago and humanity has become collectively sick to fucking death of "cake".
>>14343424
because when we imagine they're all queermos it's part of a noble tradition of manliness instead of stupid tumblr girl germs
>>14343421
fug.
>>14343414
>they didn't look gay to me.
I'm not the whole "they're gay show is shit" crowd but yeah there was some pretty gay moments between the two similar to the Korra stuff.
Since its by the Korra creative team people are expecting gay undertones and we got some of that with Keith and a whole lot more with Pidge.
>>14343385
Given that the season endsWith everyone being potentially split up across the universe, I imagine we're in for solo lion adventures for the bulk of it.
>>14343405
>he doesn't store his cake in the freezer
>>14343424
Having lots of alone time with Shiro and looking out into the sunset with him is about as gay as they can get with it still being a children's show.
And considering this is from the people that made Korra you know its their intention
sure is /co/mblr here
>>14343432
ok. i need to rewatch this and look for the gay undertones because i fucking missed them, they flew over my goddamn head.
>>14343432
Pidge is a girl tho
>>14343432
>Pidge
Um anon that would not really be gay.
>>14343398
>You realize the individual Lions are also robots?
Take your gay furry robots back to tumblr, I only acept non-gay humanoid robots
>>14343342
It just doesn't have an anime song
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1465617125915.webm
Netflix autoplay skips openings anyway, so no big loss.
>>14343433
So who get split up with who?
>>14343414
No one's gay! But Keith and Shiro are very shippable
Also Pidge and Hunk but well, you know
I want to hear from someone that likes mecha anime
Not these "fuck you I want no Voltron every episode in a series called Voltron stop enjoying shit" people. I watched Voltron Force and every episode was little Voltron and even little use of the lions but a whole lot of pilot action. I don't want that again.
Is this show good?
Is there plenty of Voltron?
Is this another Pacific Rim where we only occasionally get to see the robot fight
>>14343449
I bet you hate fucking Dancouga too faggot.
>>14343441
Their intention is "whatever the viewer thinks we're doing, just nod our heads and pretend that was the master plan all along."
Hack writing at its finest.
>>14343454
I would assume everyone alone, thus they can learn something about themselves and their lion that can help empower being voltron.
>>14343445
There aren't any. The anons who say that are projecting there desires on a show meant for children
It seems like some people here think every fucking shot in this image is 100% completely and totally homo-gay and indicative that the characters involved are engaging in hardcore CANON buggery of each other's poop chutes off-camera.
>>14343456
>Is this show good?
Watchable
>Is there plenty of Voltron?
Not really, there is a lot of Lion, Voltron is in there and when its there its for a long part of the episode, just not on every episode
>Is this another Pacific Rim where we only occasionally get to see the robot fight
kinda but it fights long fights.
Not minute fights
>>14343446
>>14343448
I should say LGBT themes not gay themes
>>14343455
But I ship shiro/pidge.
Huh. Guess I wasnt molested by my uncle then
>>14343452
that is pretty weak, I mean its better than Thundercats at least but that really doesnt no bother to highlight the characters or hype the series. I really hate the trend of just using epside screenshots for OP
>>14343409
Difference is Voltron is made up of 5 robots making 1 big one not an anime where its always just 1 big robot like GetterRobo
>>14343478
This is more likely then all the other homo ships everyone is delusioned about
>>14342501
Next year by Playmates. They had a poster at Toyfair.
>>14343445
There's a lot of alone time with Keith and Shiro and they frame shots like you would an anime couple with them. Undertones means is extremely subtle.
And yeah Korra writers means even if you can't see it, its there cause they want it
>>14343456
>Is this another Pacific Rim where we only occasionally get to see the robot fight
What monster / robot movies are you watching that have significantly more of their run time filled up by fighting than PR? Because outside of a few battle royale Godzilla films, I can't think of many.When did /m/ get filled with dumb fucks who think that two minutes out of every 22 is somehow unusual for the genre, a new development, or below the norm?
I ship Lance and Pidge just because it would be hilarious he starts hitting on who he thought was a boy but its a girl.
>>14343481
I mean, none of that is from an episode so far.
The lions deploy from the castle, not from a bunch of biomes megazord style, the castle can't even fight one starship, let alone a fleet of them, and Shiro doesn't have the black lion keytool, Zarkon does.
>>14343470
Another Voltron Force then
Skipping this, right in the trash it belongs
>>14343474
Except Pidge isn't trans. She disguises herself as a guy for reasons completely unrelated to sexuality or gender politics or any SJW bullshit like that.
>>14343456
The show is entertaining but as far as Voltron action there really isn't enough.
Most of the time they were dicking off outside their Lions, although there was a decent amount of Lion action.
>>14343483
> always just 1 big robot like GetterRobo
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>>14343456
>Is this another Pacific Rim where we only occasionally get to see the robot fight
The fuck? Pacific Rim has an outrageous amount of robot screen time for a live-action movie. There's no toku that even comes close, much less another Hollywood movie.
>>14343495
Not really. Though I bet you were going to dismiss this already.
If not then sorry for assuming you were shitposting.
>>14343456
>Is this show good?
I give it an 8 out of 10. Basically the best of all the Voltron versions ever made
>Is there plenty of Voltron?
About 5-6 episodes total you will see Voltron. The rest is focused mainly on the characters and/or their lions.
>Is this another Pacific Rim where we only occasionally get to see the robot fight
It's Korra + Giant Robots + Sausage - 1 reverse trap
>>14343481
Sure, but the point is not that it's good, it's that it exists. People straight up making shit up here
>>14343491
Pacific Rim had 5 robots advertised and you only occasionally saw 2 of them fight.
Godzilla films also don't have a 2 hour runtime so you can get away with only 30 minutes of Godzilla action in a 70 minute movie
> who think that two minutes out of every 22 is somehow unusual for the genre,
It is unusual for it to be that extreme.
>>14343491
>>14343492
>>14343483
Same person that doesn't like mecha anime spotted
>>14343095
Collaborative pornography!
All in all its a solid 7/10, if you want to watch Voltron and have 5 hours free just do it.
>>14343527
Shipping Lance and Pidge is not liking anime mecha? am i missing something?
>>14343509
Have you watched Voltron Force? Cause you're describing just replace Lion action with Pilot action
>>14343512
> Basically the best of all the Voltron versions ever made
No its the only one you watched in its entirety I bet
>>14343499
I think it's a metaphor for character development.
They're all new and are kind of terrible at being Voltron.
They need to fully figure out being lions before they can be a decent voltron.
>>14343540
He wasn't the guy who described Legendary, i never saw Force.
So i don't know if its similar, i just described what i saw on Legendary.
>>14343491
Average G Gundam episode has about 8-12 minutes of robot on robot action
>>14343547
Yeah, I'd agree with.
Which is probably why there wasn't much Voltron to start off with but was picking up more towards the end. Kind of sucked not having a Voltron-centric battle at the end of the season.
The season was way too short and ended with way too much of a cliffhanger, regardless.
>>14343496
>She disguises herself as a guy for reasons completely unrelated to sexuality or gender politics or any SJW bullshit like that.
Actually she disguises herself as a guy for absolutely no reason at all.
>>14343574
she wasn't allowed to enter the school place anymore, i don't think she could have enrolled as a girl anymore, they would just deny her for what she did before.
>>14342511
Yeah, Pidge is a bit of a cunt in this.
"IM THE PRINCESS"
"Of what?! None of us are from here!"remember that episode of futurama where Leela snuck into the military as a dude? And Zap thought he was going gay only to be incredibly relived it was only Leela?
A less creepy version would be my thoughts on Kaitie. Like "the fuck didn't they make Pidge a girl? They coulda gotten away with that. Nigga is uncomfortably kawaii as it is."
>>14343520
>you can get away with only 30 minutes of Godzilla action in a 70 minute movie
There has never been a movie with 30 minutes of Godzilla. The closest you get is VS Gigan, which falls just short, and that was 89 minutes long.
The original Gojira was 96 minutes and Godzilla was on screen for less than five minutes. That's much less time, relatively speaking, than 2 out of 22 minutes. In fact, over the whole of the Godzilla franchise, Godzilla screentime (not fighting, screentime) occupies ~13 minutes on average. The average Godzilla film is ~95 minutes long. This works out to more than 2 in 22 (that's 9% of running time, Godzilla manages 13%--WOAH, such a difference). And this is a series that is already disproportionately monster/battle screentime-heavy as I pointed out earlier.
You have a faulty memory. Go watch a bunch of mecha shows and tell us how long on average there's actual ro-battling going on. I think you'll find it's much, much less than you previously believed.
>>14343574
>Actually she disguises herself as a guy for absolutely no reason at all.
She had a reason, she joined as a cadet to get more info, and going in as a girl would end up getting her kicked out since they'd know who she is.
>>14343579
I kinda like it.
This music is awful.
>>14343582
>>14343578
You know you are spoonfeeding the faggot right?
>>14343569
Probably also why they will keep Shiro alive and have the princess stay on the ship.
>>14343582
>>14343578
nigger she still needed to hide her face cause they should have recognized her
and after they got the Lions she had no reason to keep pretending to be a guy
>>14343586
What were you expecting from a Western studio?
>>14343560
Maybe if you're counting from the start of the fight to the end and all the characters yelling at each other from inside their cockpits or commentary from other characters about the fight while nothing's actually on screen.
>>14343594
Granted she was not really pretending or trying to exactly hide it. If so she was shit at it.
>Marathoned the whole show
>suddenly talk about the characters being gay
Am I missing something here?
>>14343580
The original Gojira wasn't a movie about giant monsters fighting. The point was Godzilla movies can get away with shorter actions scene because of their shorter run time. Meaning they still have Godzilla fight for 1/3rd to 1/4th of the movie.
>. Go watch a bunch of mecha shows and tell us how long on average there's actual ro-battling going on. I think you'll find it's much, much less than you previously believed.
As far as Super Robot shows go its nowhere near as extreme as you think it is to the point where its only 2 minutes an episode. Its usually around 6 to 9 minutes which is a little over a third of an episode.
>>14343597
rap and ebonics
>>14343594
>nigger she still needed to hide her face cause they should have recognized her
she did, kinda, she was super nervous the first time she commander walk by her, i guess she got used to it and the commander didn't care enough to learn her face.
>>14343594
>and after they got the Lions she had no reason to keep pretending to be a guy
she stopped, like as soon as they had a moment she told everybody and she wasn't like pretending to be manly macho men randy savage.
>>14343611
This isn't the late 90s anymore.
>>14343401
But the individual Lions are still Voltron. Just split up into five. Your argument is stupid... Not to mention, they form the big robot several times; every time they do it's super hype. If they did it ALL the fucking time, it'd lose that factor completely.
>>14343603
She only needed to fool a guy with one eye.
>>14343605
People projecting their own homosexuality/rampant fear of homosexuality onto everything they see.
>>14343607
>the majority or even plurality of super robot shows feature fights for a full third of the episode
This is a joke, right
>>14343414
Just idiots getting assblasted over shit that isn't even there. Ignore it.
So Allura can shapeshift... weird. Was she suppose to be so abnormally strong, or was that a product of her shapeshifting?
>>14343626
Well, considering appearance is primarily musculature, even in the facial region, having control over that should certainly let you Hulk on some clowns.
>>14343580
>Go watch a bunch of mecha shows and tell us how long on average there's actual ro-battling going on. I think you'll find it's much, much less than you previously believed.
Pulled up a random episode of G Gundam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR6kAYfhdR0
You have exactly 8 minutes of Robot action out of the 20 minutes of actual runtime (OP, ED, and last time don't count as part of the episode)
That is not even counting all of the parts where the Gundams are just standing around being menacing.
8 minutes out of 20 is nowhere near your extreme scale of 2 minutes out of 22.
>>14343623
>Gays see gays everywhere
>Homophobes see gays everywhere
>>14343618
Not they're fucking not. They make up Voltron, divided they aren't Voltron. Its the same with any super robo anime with a combining main robot
This is your post >>14343483
>>14343630
So you pull up the episode that is a turning point of the series?
>>14343624
I already did the math
No Super Robot anime goes to the extremes as Voltron does with having Voltron show up only for 2 minutes out of the entire episode runtime
>>14343642
I pulled up the first episode that showed up when I typed G Gundam episode that wasn't episode 1
>>14343598
Yes I am.
I am also counting that with this Voltron show and its extremely little actual screentime. On average 2-4 minutes an episode not counting the pilot where it was quite literally 2 minutes out of 1 hour and 8 minutes.
>>14343655
So I am guessing you never actually watched G Gundam then. You can correct that anon.
Hey guys is this show any go-
>people with no knowledge of super robot mecha anime trying to argue that all mecha anime have 2 or less minutes of mecha fighting and the less mecha fights the better
Okay so its bad and has no mecha in it. Gotcha
>>14343630
Fighters don't show up until 13:30.
No attacks until 14:30.
Considering the fight's over at 21:20, we should expect every second between those ranges to be robot fighting.
It's not. It's people talking. I doubt you even have eight minutes of robots ON SCREEN over the entire episode.
If I start a movie with a monster punching a robot and end it with the robot killing the monster but the 90 minutes in between is a romance that plays out in a completely different location while you occasionally hear about the robot fight over a radio or see it on a TV screen in passing, would you say the movie was 90 minutes of robot-on-monster fighting?
>>14343661 Because apparently this guy does.
>>14343666
I have
The New Shuffle Alliance is not the major turning point of the series, its the end of the first arc.
>>14343674
It is though, it sets up a major player in the whole Devil Gundam deal.
>>14343579
She was completely right though
>>14343672
>would you say the movie was 90 minutes of robot-on-monster fighting?
No
You know thats an extreme example and you know it. If it kept cutting back to the fight and the dialogue was related to the fight then yes thats 90 minutes of fighting.
If you don't like super robot anime no one is forcing you to argue about it. I'm not sure why you are trying to tell people its always been 2 minutes out of 22
>>14343667
Nobody is arguing no mecha is good you fucking mongoloid.
Everybody has different points of view but not this.
>fight time counts if it's off screen
well shit i guess every show is 100% robots because a robot can either be in view or somewhere off screen
>>14343655
thought Sunrise would put a C&D on anyone uploading anything Gundam
>>14343538
I gone them. They just want to see two guys fucking
>>14343678
The major turning point is when the series shifts into the finals, all the characters become regulars.
That is also detracting from the point that the average mecha anime is not 'only 2 minutes of fighting'
>>14343691
Ignore*
>this thread
so um... those lions are pretty neat huh?
who's your favorite Lion and why?
I like Blue because its agile without being too fragile.
Also its ice power seems cool.
>>14343694
They become regulars after that arc though, it goes into the Guiana Highlands and the rest of the new Shuffle Alliance goes there.
I am just saying its a major part.
>>14343672
Just to tell you how full of shit you are I opened up a random episode of Koutestushin Jeeg and not counting the OP and ED I got just about 3:30 minutes of robot fighting at the start then 6 minutes of robot fighting at the end.
Thats way more than you get in Voltron.
Stop acting like its normal to have so little robot fighting
>>14343685
>I'm not sure why you are trying to tell people its always been 2 minutes out of 22
Because that's pretty much what it actually is. You have misconstrued this as an insult when it's not. I like super robot anime. I like real robot anime. I like mecha period. I'm just not living in a fantasy land where I'm misremembering every show having way more actual robot content than they did.
Mecha shows are character driven. Very rarely are the mechs actual talking, feeling characters. The shows focus on characters who can do that shit far more than they do on chunks of metal beating each other to death.
I'm not trying to defend this Voltron, either. I haven't even watched it. I'm only taking issue with you clowns saying low fighting/mecha content is the hallmark of a bad mecha series when that would apply to pretty much every fucking mecha series.
This post number+5 picks the episode of Mazinger Z I load up and scan through for "seconds of mechs on screen" and "seconds of fighting".
>>14343699
No the show is shit, the Lions are shit and finally fuck you for no reason at all.
>>14343686
The guy saying 2 minutes of screen time is normal sounds like it and theres a whole lot of people saying its better like that
>>14343688
shots of the pilot and people watching the fight is not offscreen.
I don't know why you're trying to argue this you clearly don't like mecha anime.
Is Voltron discussion banned on /co/ or something? Why are these people here
>>14343710
No more like its not that uncommon in some mecha anime.
>>14343710
Go back to the start of this argument. >>14343491
What part of this makes you think "this guy hates mecha" when the post is calling the people who say "2 out of 22 is bad" dumb fucks?
>>14343706
There's multiple people in this thread telling you that you're wrong and showing examples.
Yes mecha action in Super Robot animes do not make up even half of the episode
No they do not make up an extremely small fraction like Voltron does. 2 minutes out of 22 is very small and no mecha anime does that. Thats not even 10% of an episode.
>>14343720Welcome to a Voltron thread or actually any new show thread.
>>14343706
>Because that's pretty much what it actually is
Stop posting
Everyone has already called you not that its not that extreme. You seem to view things only in black and white.
No one is saying the fighting makes up for the entire episode. They're telling you its not supposed to be so little of an episode that you see more mecha fighting in the OP and ED than in the actual episode
Who's going to end up with whom? Place your guesses here (and please try to limit the faggyness)
>>14343723
>two examples
>one is demonstrably wrong
>the other is take my word for it and probably counting time as part of a fight when it's not
>>14343699
The blue lion is fucking baller.
I like the stealth on the green but why don't they have Pidge put stealth on all of them...?
I'm digging that they all feel pretty unique
>>14343736
Shiro/pidge
>>14343716
2 minutes in the average episode of a super robot anime is pretty much unheard of.
>>14343747
Depends on the episode and series really.
>>14343699
I like yellow lion, entirely unsure of why. I liked it as a kid, I think it might be because of its sort of square build.
I wonder if that bit with Hunk wanting to be the head was a jab at Voltron Force.
>>14343706
Just loaded up Episode 6 of ZZ Gundam cause of your post number and I ended up with almost exactly 8 minutes of actual mecha fighting and a whole lot more if you count mecha's flying around, walking around, and just in general doing more than standing still.
You're full of shit dude
>>14343736
Lance/Pidge
Allura/Shiro
Hunk(d?)/Alien girl
Cabom/Castle(which is kinda incest since the castle was build by his grandpa)
Keith/HisHand
>>14343751
I can't think of a super robot anime that focused on something other than the super robot fighting.
>>14343758
Something super roboty and action doesn't really compare to a more grounded tone. Try doing that with something like Victory or Turn A (which is probably a better equivalent for tone)
>>14343737
>Demonstrably wrong
Showing off the pilot is still part of the fight and people aren't discrediting that when it comes to the Voltron fights.
Its perfectly normal part of mecha anime and I dont' know why you act like its strange
If you don't like mecha anime no one is forcing you to be here
I do not comprehend this bait.
How do the Lion's fightning not count as robots?
How does simply playing down how much Voltron appears that much different than Voltron or a Megazord in Sentai showing up for 2 minutes cominbation and then a minute of fighting at most.
Do you people only watch trash anime like Gurren Lagann
>Lions
>None of them have manes.
So are the all female lions or just mountain lions?
>>14343766
Grounded mecha anime in general should have less action then.
Wait a minute
>ZZ
>Grounded
Are you joking
Why are people that clearly don't enjoy good ol' robot on robot fuck fests trying to argue that little to no robot fighting is normal and better than what we've come to expect on a mecha board.
Are these people from /co/? Why aren't they discussing Voltron there?
>>14342168
/co/ is talking about shipping and reverse traps while /m/ is talking about how long the robot fights should be
Should I make a thread on /tv/?
>>14343775
I always assumed that Black was the male and the other four were female/his pride, that's why he has the weird horn mane things and wings.
I think the show has more than enough action in it to make up for the lack of actual Voltron. The pilots kicking ass in their space suits and the lions individually showing their strengths is still fun to watch. Right now they don't NEED Voltron in every single fucking episode. There would be no point because only half of the situations they're found in at this point in the game require any giant robot action at all. Obviously they're just building the characters and the universe they exist in. Once it gets closer to the endgame and the bad guys start throwing more giant monsters their way, Voltron will finally be required. On top of that, I stand by the opinion that if they combined in to Voltron to solve EVERY problem, it would feel less special. It would be less of an event.
I honestly don't understand how people can argue less robots is good.
What the actual fuck, i hope season 2 solves its "oh no we are far away from each other" and we got so much robot we don't know what to do with it.
>>14343706
>post count + 5
Watching episode 11 of Mazinger Z.
21:27 long. Counting any time a mech or one of its attacks is on screen, plus the results of that attack (cannon firing a shell, shell traveling through the air, resulting explosion) as "mecha time".
Doesn't show up until 1:48. Camera pans for three seconds.
Six seconds of it firing on the Photon Lab in Baron Ashura's imagination.
Eight seconds of Dr. Hell staring at the stationary rail gun on a TV screen.
Lots of Sayaka shopping and Boss / Kouji riding around on motorcycles while getting mad at each other.
No mech again until 8:13-8:33.
50 seconds of fighting, a little under half of which is just the Pilder flying around.
Ten seconds of staring at the rail gun.
Pilder's not back on screen until 13:06.
Now everyone's mountain climbing and beating up human mooks.
Dressing up as mooks.
More mook fighting. Boss has a sword.
J2's not back until 18:45. It blows up some rocks Sayaka is hiding behind. Mazinger hops in and throws out three or four attacks while it stands there and takes it all. It falls on the ground and gets rusted into nothingness. About 80 seconds of fighting all told.
Mecha time: 179 seconds, so three minutes. Deducting "staring at the rail gun", 152 seconds. 2.5 out of 22. Pretty fucking close and there's nothing wrong with this.
>>14342545
>I came here to dance at you.
>>14343774
Its really downplayed as well. In general there really isn't enough mecha fighting in Voltron.
I mean I understand why cause there are way more people that think all forms of mecha fighting are stupid and want next to none of it so they want to pander to the general audience.
I mean there were a lot of people that thought Avatar and Korra had too much fighting and wanted less, less, and less of it.
>>14343763
I think what some people are trying to say when they mean the whole 'super robot only shows up for a few minutes each episode' refers to when the Super Robot gets into its combined form and finishes off the Monster of the Week.
Just pull out an average episode of Exkaiser or Fighbird and tells me how long it takes from the when the combination into super mode is done to when the finishing move is used on the MOTW.
>>14343798
>don't understand how people can argue less robots is good
It's more about it not being bad by default. Mechs aren't the focus of mecha.
>>14343784
Nah its /m/ arguing with /co/ about the robot fight lengths.
>>14343788
You are actually correct.
In Go Lion the other lions are referred to as females and the Black one is a male.
I mean they don't have a gender but they use female and male pronouns when referring to them.
>>14343805
There's five times more J9 shooting, grenading, and whipping people in the average Braiger episode than Bry-car zipping around or Braiger cutting stuff in half.
>>14343788
I wonder if they ever tried to make it where the wings fold into a Lion's mane before combining.
>>14343792
guess what Voltron hasn't had "lets show off Voltron all the time" since the original show. Every other version of Voltron has been "lets show off the pilots and lions more than the robot cause thats what people want right?"
Netflix Voltron is just following the trend instead of being different and going back to its roots
>>14343316
Here's your (you)
>>14343807
This. This. This.
Why are people who don't understand this shit even on /m/?
>>14343812
>the male just sits there and tells the others what to do
>the chicks take care of all the actual fighting (hunting)
I doubt this was their intention but this is pretty much exactly how actual lions operate.
>>14343801
I don't get why you are stilling using the fallacy of not counting the pilot scenes and shots of people reacting to the battle as not part of the battle.
They are not discrediting that for Voltron
Why are you discrediting it for every other anime?
>>14343801
>pilot stuff doesn't count for anime but it counts for Voltron
Yeah someone is trying to dickride this show hard.
>>14343805
There's still way more of that than any action in Voltron
I don't get why people are surprised though cause its done by people that took out as much fighting as possible in Korra and they want to appeal to the general audience that doesn't like any action at all.
>>14343826
Because I'm not defending Voltron. Discount all those shots for Voltron all you want.
>>14343830
>>14343706
>I'm not trying to defend this Voltron, either. I haven't even watched it.
>>14343807
>mecha aren't the focus of mecha
its time to stop
I'm not saying for mecha fighting all the time
I'm not even saying it needs to be for most of the episode.
But there is almost no Voltron action and even then the individual Lions don't do much either (but a whole lot more than Voltron)
The show is called Voltron
Voltron was about big robot running around smashing evil robots
Less of that is not a good thing. People don't watch Dragonball Z expecting a half assed character driven drama but thats what happened with Voltron.
>>14343804
I do not comprehend.
It's 13 episodes of the first season.
There are plenty of mecha shows that don't have a ton of mecha action in the first 13 episodes.
Picture related from the original series.
What you're complaining about is only a problem if there isn't more in the second set of 13 episodes.
>>14343833
So out-of-robot action doesn't count as "action" at all? Does an action movie like James Bond or something not actually have your definition of "action" in it just because there aren't any giant robots?
>>14343834
>discount all those shots
You have less than 30 seconds in Voltron. They really cheaped on the budget, its mostly pilot reactions to getting knocked around.
>>14343825
>>the male just sits there and tells the others what to do
That's a bit one sided. The Male sits and tells others to do because it's constantly on guard from other invading males and if he loses, that means the current generation is slaughtered.
The Male exhausting himself from hunting means not only his death but the death of all his cubs.
>>14343834
>I'm not trying to defend it even though I'll make a million posts about why its fine to have no mecha action and why I think GetterRobo is not made up of multiple smaller robots.
>>14343817
>guess what Voltron hasn't had "lets show off Voltron all the time" since the original show.
Because it was repetitive and boring as fuck to summon Voltron on every accordance and since the characters weren't interesting enough to hold your attention it made going through the show a slog
>>14343845
If you mean pilots running around shooting guns its there but minimal and no one wants to see that, especially with Voltron which has been that for a while.
Its also really shitty in this series, you can tell the animation budget was skipped out on during these scenes.
>>14343841
Go into any thread and you'll find that the vast and overwhelming majority of discussion in any show is centered around the characters and their antics, not the details of a mech or its battles. Mechs are generally a vehicle for characters to do fantastic things; only rarely are they characters unto themselves or given some semblence of characterization even if they're inanimate (mostly in super robot shows).
You're trying to have this argument about the fights in Voltron. I'm trying to have an argument about actual robot or robot fighting screentime being a minority of the episode in most shows. Don't take your Voltron beef up with me.
>>14343844
>13 episodes
Stop posting
>>14343841
>Voltron was about big robot running around smashing evil robots
No. Voltron was about five kids piloting five lions that formed a robot called Voltron who THEN happened to smash evil robots. You can't have the climax without building up the premise.
What is the point of a robot being a sum of parts if we don't see them individually? Why should we care about the robots if we don't know and understand who's piloting first. Why do you people just want cardboard cut-outs dicking around in a robot for 20 minutes without any depth or reason to care about any of it established first?
>>14343844
You saying 13 episodes over and over again kinda proves you never watched the show
>>14343857
Reposting bait from earlier in the thread isn't gonna net you more responses. But here have your (You)
>>14343860
>no one wants to see that
Sure we do. Swords are better, but guns are fine, too.
>>14343862
Not in the threads I browse
>>14343871
>baito
So you don't have an argument.
>>14343870
>Voltron was about five kids piloting five lions
You never watched it did you?
>>14343860
>you can tell the animation budget was skipped out on during these scenes
Are you kidding me? The ground level fight choreography is fantastic.
Reminder that this faggot started all of this. >>14343303
If only the rest of you could have told him to fuck off too instead of becoming him.
>>14343882
>I don't have an argument, so I'm just going to question your knowledge
Plus, what are you doing even saying that this show is bad for not following an example of the original series, when the original Voltron show was fucking horseshit to begin with?
>>14343870
You can have depth and reason with more than just 2 minutes of fighting.
The original Go Lion and to an extent Voltron did just that.
The original cast were all people, Zarkon was more than just big evil alien.
If you want depth then stop watching Netflix Voltron and boot up Go-Lion or the original series cause it does it way better than this show and has even more robot fighting.
All of the characters in Netflix Voltron are one dimensional with very little character development and the little thats there is extremely simplistic "hot heads learn to be a team" stuff.
None of the characters are posed with any real and believable danger
None of the characters die or raise any death flags
All of the villains are just evil for the sake of being evil and don't have any strong back story.
>>14343891
>when the original Voltron show was fucking horseshit to begin with?
>I don't have an argument so I'm just gonna say the original is bad without ever watching it
Go Lion is really solid and does more character development and actual plot than the Netflix show does with twice as much action scenes.
>>14343891
>I don't have an argument so I'm just gonna say Voltron and GoLion were horseshit even I never watched any of it
lmao go back to /co/ dude I dunno why you keep posting here when you clearly don't like mecha
Remember last night when the show was first released. Most people were loving it and those who didn't were miraculously being civil? That was nice... but then the regular /m/ cancer found its way into these threads. Thanks for living up to my expectations, people.
>>14343895
It is so easy to see who's baiting who in these threads because nobody other than nostalgia fags or trolls would say that the original Voltron/Go Lion had depth or good characterization.
>>14343825
this could have been funny all the way through, instead it ends with
>lions needs feminism too
>>14343887
He kept posting and people keep responding
I dunno why he's trying to get people to believe that less robots is good and the original Voltron was bad.
If it was bad in every way it wouldn't be as remembered as it is today
>>14343895
>None of the characters die or raise any death flags
Ow the edge.
>>14343911
You are reading something into this that isn't there.
>/m/ thread is nothing but shitposting
>/co/ thread is nothing but gay shit and shipperfaggotry
Is there no place to talk about this show civilly?
>>14343916
It is remembered today because there was a great robot design, a great theme song, and a bitchin' toy. Those are the only reasons.
>>14343919
the patriarchy is real, son
>>14343895
yeah I'm actually surprised that the villains in the Netflix show are so flat. Usually I'd expect a Netflix show to have more than just "yar har I'm evil alien monster"
>>14343916
>/m/ can't follow a conversation thread
That's not 2 and 22 Anon. And neither of them were saying less robots is good.
>>14343921
what's there to talk about we're all waiting for torrents
>>14343909
I'm not too familiar with Voltron but GoLion had a lot more depth than this show does.
But more depth I don't mean a lot of depth
>>14343928
>every way
bad in every way implies the robot, theme, and especially the nice toys were bad. Obviously not true I still have my Third Dimension stuff around.
>>14343916
>I dunno why he's trying to get people to believe that less robots is good and the original Voltron was bad.
Literally no one gives two fucking shit about anything but the robot in Voltron and Nips has disowned GoLion entirely citing it as boring and generic
>>14343939
>but GoLion had a lot more depth than this show does.
It really didn't. Voltron gave it much needed personality
>>14343945
I don't think anyone said it was bad in EVERY WAY, though. Just because something is shit doesn't always mean it's COMPLETELY shit.
>>14343945
>I still have my Third Dimension stuff around.
Then you are in the vast minority
>>14343937
They're the same people dude
>>14343917
The death of Shiro is probably the most memorable part in GoLion. Its not edgy to expect any sort of harm and conflict to the main cast. In every episode except the finale the Korra Voltron crew make it out of every single situation unscathed so they're almost never in any form of danger. Main character death is just one way of reminding the audience that their characters aren't invincible like they are in Korra Voltron.
>>14343931
>more than just "yar har I'm evil alien monster"
There's nothing wrong with this. Without commenting on THIS Voltron, I'll just say that it would be refreshing to have a villain who's just a busted, evil fuck for a change instead of the well-meaning asshole who turned to world domination or whatever because he got bullied as a child, his dog/wife died, or it's the only way to stop the alien invasion. I've seen the "this is for the greater good, you just don't understand, I'm going to save us by any means necessary" villain a bajillion fucking times. It's overdone at this point. If I get one more "you heroes are more like me than you realize" speech I'm going to choke a bitch.
Sometimes people are born fucking crazy. Sometimes they're born fucking evil. Sometimes they just want power and cash and don't give a shit about literally anything else. That's just as valid as "the only way to improve life for my planet is to nuke every puppy on this one".
>>14343948
As being one of the niggas that actually bought both the GoLion and Voltron DVD releases I gotta say GoLion has a lot more depth, more so with its villains, and personality than Voltron did. If it wasn't for Sven's accent you could easily say him and Keith were the same guy.
/m/ is so fucking shit. I don't know why I bother venturing outside of the Garo threads
>>14343959
They're not. Every post you disagree with wasn't written by the same person. Especially when they're also arguing with each other.
>>14343959
>invincible like they are in Korra Voltron
You mean like when Lance got blown the fuck up an almost died, or when Shiro got the shit beat out of him and detained? Death isn't the only way to portray character fragility.
>>14343960
The argument is that someone was saying the Netflix one sacrifices action for character development then anon pointed out the Netflix version has flat characters compared to the original which also had double the action.
Evil crazy bad guy is fine if the show is set up like that, but it ain't.
>>14343966
>GoLion has a lot more depth, more so with its villains, and personality than Voltron did.
>If it wasn't for Sven's accent you could easily say him and Keith were the same guy.
Isn't that a mark against GoLion given that Shiro was entirely expendable?
>>14343978
I didn't believe for a second Lance could be killed.
I didn't believe for a second that Shiro wasn't gonna be alright in the end. If it was a character that didn't have so much more plot ahead of them like Coran, Hunk, or even Lance then I would feel like they are in danger. But nope Shiro's plot armor is glaringly obvious.
I said death is just one way of reminding the audience.
>>14343959
Two episodes before the season finale they killed off the king's AI. Shiro dying now wouldn't have the same impact because anybody who knows about the show knows Shiro dies six episodes in. Keeping him alive for the first season means there's now an actual question of if he'll survive the show or not, when going in it was blatantly obvious that he ded. It's not shocking or impactful if it's a foregone conclusion. Nobody's surprised by the partner who's two days from retirement getting shot.
>>14343959
>the Korra Voltron crew make it out of every single situation unscathed so they're almost never in any form of danger.
Are you bastards forgetting about Rover's valiant sacrifice?
>>14343981
He was a different person though.
Sven's entire character is "look at me I'm swedish Keith, I speak funny! Get me to the hospital planet guys!"
>>14343991
>>14343994
That too, actually. So we've had two character deaths so far.
>people want main character deaths
disgusting
>>14343991
The problem is the amount of unknown details about Shiro's story and showing Keith doesn't have any leadership skills made Shiro's plot armor super obvious. He'll prolly live until Season 2 or whenever his story is finished, probably at the end of Season 2 if he has to die but I honestly doubt him dying at all.
>>14343988
Dude, killing off a character we've only known for 10-11 episodes would make no sense. I think you're forgetting we're still pretty fuckin' early on here.
>>14344000
No one is actually saying that. People want the show to be less flat than it already is in order to justify the little amount of robot fighting we get.
>>14344004
Having him die now JUST because he died before is as stupid reason to kill off a character.
>>14344007
>Dude, killing off a character we've only known for 10-11 episodes would make no sense
>>14344007
10-11 is the entire show, thats not early and not unheard of.
No one is asking for character death, but rather believable danger and stakes for the characters.
>>14344009
Is my opinion wrong because I care more about the characters in this show than I did the cast from the original? You're acting like your take on the show is objective here, pal.
>>14344015
Where did I say kill him off?
You can make plot armor not obvious you know. But from episode 1 Shiro's plot armor was so radiant. You knew he was gonna make it out of every situation with no scars.
>>14344026
did you actually watch Go Lion
>>14344021
>believable danger and stakes
They don't exist. The main characters pretty much always pull through in everything. You can make the fight as dramatic as you want, but when you know the guy's in the next episode for sure, it's meaningless. Drama that revolves around the main characters not dying is dumb and only suckers would fall for it.
I'm going to work, but I bet if you listed off ten shows where there's tons of believable danger for characters, interested anons could rip it apartif we weren't autosaging
>>14344030
Well, he's clearly a sleeper agent that will betray everyone.
>>14344021
No, it's not the entire show. This is what's wrong with /m/. They'll readily compare an ENTIRE SERIES of one show to a single short season of another and expect everything to add up, or expect that to be any sort of good comparison. This place's sense of perspective is fucked.
>>14344026
I'm outright gonna question your tastes if you care more about this Lotor than almost any other version of him
>>14344030
Actually, no, most people's predictions going in was that Shiro was going to die either halfway through or as the season-ending cliffhanger. His profile is basically "good guy, awesome at everything", which raises death flags like fucking crazy. Surviving the season means now I might feel something other than dull surprise if he actually does get killed off later.
>>14344021
Its a children's show
Ain't no one getting killed or hurt.
You'd find more danger in Power Rangers than this
>>14344035
This show isn't called Go Lion. It's called Voltron. And yes, I've watched the original Voltron.
>>14344043
Going in means prior to episode 1
I thought so too he'd die at the end. But then I watched episode 1. Nope he's living to at least Season 2 finale assuming we get a Season 2. Very possible we wont.
>this show about robot space lions saving the universe isn't believable enough!
fuck all of you.
>>14344041
I'll be waiting for your buttmad when you find out Season 2 isn't happening
>>14344050
the original argument was someone was saying this show is super believable and realistic with depth as justification for the little action and how this is way better than showing any action at all and how action = no depth.
I want Voltron discussion to be banned from /m/
So far we've had gay talk
shipping
gay shipping
race war /pol/ shit
Super Robot = bad shitposting
Less mecha action = good shitposting
All mecha anime has no fighting arguments
Arguing depth and writing in a show meant for children to be able to understand
This show is not /m/
>>14343996
>>14343994
>>14343959
>>14343974
>>14343978
>>14343991
>>14343917
>>14343895
Because Netflix Voltron is an American Cartoon. And in an American Cartoon, nobody dies unless -
a) you're a villain
b) you're a non-organic being
c) you're a character nobody gives a shit about
>Your father and brother would be proud of you,Katie
I
Uh
What
>>14344057
There's a lot of action, it's just not a lot of action with the complete Voltron, especially since apparently they want to dole out its abilities slowly.
>>14344067
>slowly when its very possible this could be the only season
why start with a whimper instead of a bang?
>>14344074
nigga these are the writers that killed a super popular franchise they magically made popular again after a god awful movie that killed the franchise the first time cause they wanted to have gay shit and no action at all.
Do you think they know what they are doing?
>>14344074
I think they already have a guaranteed order of 52 episodes.
Dreamworks has got to provide over 300 hours of contracted content, so it's easier for them to just go big out the gate with everything.
Most of their shows already have 3rd and 4th seasons confirmed.
>>14344060
But nothing will be left in /m/!
>>14344065
admit it, you want Pidge to suck your cock even before you knew the truth. I would either way.
>>14344067
I mean, we only saw them use the red sword to summon the sword and the yellow heavy weapon to summon the heavy weapon.
Who knows what happens when you socket the other bayards into voltron!
>>14344083
There is no source about this 52 episodes thing.
Season 2 is still unconfirmed and considering they cut back on season 1 bringing it down to 11 episodes I'd say is possible that they might not get a Season 2 anytime soon. And I'd say its likely that if they do get a Season 2 it'd be the last
>>14344103
It only has 11 episodes instead of 13 because episode 1 is 3 times as long as the rest.
>>14344100
Black is the interesting one because it appears to have a billion different fucking modes and they'll probably get it back at or near endgame. They also showed in the season finale that they have more abilities than just straight copying the bayard weapons when Red manifested that giant cannon.
>>14344119
Keith didn't even have to use his bayard to summon that cannon, though.
It's also worth noting that right before Voltron forms in the opening sequence we see Shiro(?) from behind in the Black Lion's cockpit with his bayard in the console.
>We aren't getting toys until SPRING 2017
Jesus fucking Christ. Why do we have to wait so long?
>>14344203
I hope we get a toy of the Gladiator robot guy, he was fucking cool.
>>14344223
I thought both of the big monsters were pretty awesome, actually. The eye laser guy grew on me fast.
>>14343775
>>14343788
>>14343812
So, what does that make Galeon? It's the 6th lion after all.
>>14344313
He'a that one band member that goes solo and actually has a decent career.
>Waaahh not enough story?
>Waahhh not enough robot fights?
>Waaahh too gay!
>Waaahh not gay enough!
/m/ needs to shut the fuck up.
>>14344043
He's not gonna die.
>>14343311
>more fluid than Delta
You mean the scenes with simple movement, right? Because this seems to be about on par with Delta's dogfighting.
>>14343414
>nigga gangsta black
Jesus, calm down whitey.
>>14344818
pero soy mexicano and brown
fuck you nigger.
>>14344119
The Black Bayard might not be as impressive in Shiro's hands. The Bayard changes to suit the wielder, right?
Did I miss something or did this show not make as big a deal out of Zarkon being the original black paladin as it should have?
>>14344957
Yeah I'm surprised Keith didn't realize he was using a bayard.
>>14343908
99% of /m/ isn't really here for robots, they're just here to make sure that nobody is liking things that they don't like. It just so happens that they don't like anything.
>>14344608
No fuck you, complain about the fucking show.
>>14345051
>That feeling when you realize a large chunk of the arguments are based on literal troll posts about things that don't happen in the show.
Feels bad...
>>14345232
It should have been dead obvious when they started using the phrase "Super Robot".
>>14344974
To be fair, the only Bayards he knows can be one thing, and he seems to have used ancient alien magic to let his Bayard be whatever it wants.
New Thread
>>14345411
>gattai sequence
god damn son
>>14343908
That's what happened to the Kuromukuro threads too.
>>14343705
Jeeg is about giant robots and tits!
9 minutes of robot action
9 minutes of tits
Just enough for OP/ED and some story lefto ver
>>14343399
>11 weeks of potential shitflinging condensed into 2 days
>>14342679
The original Dancouga didn't form until mid way through the show. Despite the filler this was the right way to go.