So what's the general consensus on Thunderbolt?
Vibrations on my butt.
>>14233016
awesome mech porn, ok story and characters
>>14233016
Best Gundam show this decade without a doubt
>>14233064
BF was better
>>14233064
t. TVTropes
It's gr8, m8.
no one needs four shields
>>14233083
You need it if you go solo
One shield is not enought to cover you from al around enemy fire, mang
>>14233083
But then how will you block your opponent's sword while leaving big obvious openings for your opponent's sword?
>>14233095
I'm sorry you can handle the truth, OVA baby.
>>14233016
>good music (the zeon is shit tho)
>good characters
>ok story
>10/10 technoporn
Got my approval
>>14233072
Build Baby pls
Great story, great visuals and a kickass soundtrack. Daryl suffered so much just to take out the fucker who killed his squad and the tragedy is that Zeon doesn't come out on the top by the end of the One Year War.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbCf0EDBv_k
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [45D09CDD].mkv_snapshot_05.15_[2016.05.14_19.48.36].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/U8hrqgd.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [45D09CDD].mkv_snapshot_05.15_[2016.05.14_19.48.36].jpg")
>VA says "Full Armour Gundam"
>subtitled as "FAG"
I thought you fags said [Manko] WASN'T meme subs?
>>14233016
I thought it was very good. The action and the last episode almost in its entirety was fucking excellent.
![Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [720p].mp4_snapshot_05.12_[2016.05.15_04.57.02].png](https://i.imgur.com/PUNGX9N.jpg "Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [720p].mp4_snapshot_05.12_[2016.05.15_04.57.02].png")
>>14233220
The line fits just fine if they wrote it out.
If the character says the full thing the subtitles should say it too. They just used the acronym where it wasn't needed because "haha lol it says FAG!!" and Manko a shit, trying to be Commie 2.0 with needless localisations and memes.
>>14233016
Edgy but serviceable plot, top tier action.
great animation wasted on a fan fic story.
>>14233318
>Produced by Sunrise as an alternate UC retelling
>Fanfic story
I don't think you understand what "Fan fiction" is.
>>14233324
>I don't think you understand what "Fan fiction" is.
It's whatever he doesn't like.
>>14233324
So let me get this straight, if Thunderbolt is an Alternate UC, then what's the canon UC? The manga one where Amuro dies at A Boa Qu? Beltorchika's Children CCA -> Hathaway's Flash? I'm so confused now.
>>14233337
If you're talking about where Amuro canonically "dies" I'm pretty sure it would be >Beltorchika's Children CCA -> Hathaway's Flashbut the Nu is still better than the Hi-Nu
>>14233324
It ignores one of the core world building points of UC gundam. Minovksy Particles makes radar next to useless. which means no missiles. Yet somehow the gundam does Itano Circus against the Red PscyoZaku.
>>14233347
Not at all the first time this little oversight has happened.
>>14233347
>which means no missiles.
Literally see >>14233328
>>14233347
>makes radar next to useless. which means no missiles.
Not in the Gundam Universe, obviously. They have lasers and space colonies, I won't be surprised if they have even missiles that don't need radar, or they don't have some other way of guiding them/detecting enemies. Like the cameras, connected to the computer.
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_11.25_[2016.05.14_20.48.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y60rQ8J.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_11.25_[2016.05.14_20.48.46].jpg")
>dat giggling
Was it oxygen deprivation? Or just so happy to see Darryl again?
>>14233357
NON-CANON
MUH MINOVSKY PARTICLES MEAN NO MISSILES.
FUCKING CONFIRMED BK was right.
Amputees fighting jazz is always nice
>>14233347
>>14233357
Wouldn't heat seeking missiles work?
>>14233345
>spoiler
Good man.
>>14233072
I thought it was enjoyable, but the series is really carried by the Fellini fight and Bloodhounds
>>14233386
Or she snapped.
>>14233403
You could also say the first time Tatsuya tryhards against Reiji/Sei in the Gym because muh flamenco.
>>14233403
>>14233407
Now now let's not forget the F91 fight
>>14233386
She gets mindbroken after the GM Cannon vaporizes her buddies so she reverts to the mind of a child
>>14233393
The idea is that minovsky particles disrupt the end of the electromagnetic spectrum that includes radar and radio
there is a possibility that infrared still works, but what we know of minovsky jamming is unclear - sometimes it also seems to distort visible light beyond a certain distance, so they can't just spot things in space from a long distance using telescopes.
there are a few instances of what appear to be guided missiles, but they're usually limited to optical tracking or are just preprogrammed trajectories
>>14233429
and to add on to this, in UC they really love to use mobile suits so even when it's apparent that there's no minovsky jamming, they still don't use guided weapons
e.g., in 0080 and 0083 and 08th MS team, there are a fair number of fights that take place where there shouldn't be any minovsky jamming, usually minovsky jamming can only done by warships with large enough reactors
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_11.33_[2016.05.14_20.48.38].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ylIMhBp.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_11.33_[2016.05.14_20.48.38].jpg")
>>14233411
At least she remembers Darryl.;_;
>>14233452
No, she thinks he's her dad
>>14233494
>>14233505
>>14233220
why are all your posts just quotes?
>>14233357
Isn't that made out of Lunar Titanium? Wouldn't it just be able to shrug off the missiles?
>>14233518
Because he's new here and doesn't realize that he's typing into the name field
>>14233533
Not exactly. Luna titanium was renamed 'gundarium alpha' after the OYW. in the Zeta and ZZ era, a lot of the machines we see are made with a cheaper version called gundarium gamma, which is better than titanium but not quite as good as the original stuff.
That said, damage is wildly inconsistent when it comes to rockets and gundarium. in Zeta, Yazan was hit by a spread of Kamille's rocket grenade, but it doesn't do too much other than forcing him out of the fight. In the Char's Counterattack movie, the giant Alpha Azieru mobile armor was defeated by a single rocket grenade.
>>14233553
aww cute
he's trying to greentext even though the names are green by default
>>14233562
>a lot of the machines we see are made with a cheaper version called gundarium gamma, which is better than titanium but not quite as good as the original stuff.
The main point of gundarium gamma was that it was lighter weight than alpha while being almost as durable.
>>14233612
We see Nemos getting destroyed by bazooka fire, though.
>>14233571
Hey leave redditors alone, theyre just trying to adapt.
>>14233016
>So what's the general consensus on Thunderbolt?
Sunrise has lost it.
>>14233631
A ms sized Bazooka is probably strong enough to take one out.
Now that I think about it, I can't remember if the Gundam was ever hit with bazooka round in the anime, but it did get taken out by one in the novel.
>>14233016
it was mildy entertaining
>still 1 week for the origin part 3
>2 weeks for subs
>>14233756
The Gundam was never hit by a bazooka shell, I think. In the novel it was destroyed by a beam bazooka, though.
>>14233016
How much Zeonwank is in this?
>>14233016
Fantastic production values. Great music and style. Flat same old Zeon Remnant extremists versus corrupt Federation story we've been getting in OVA's for 30 years
>>14233064
C'mon Woolie, lets be serious here
I want more.
>>14233893
They aren't remnants when the OYW s still going. We're you not paying attention?
>>14233244
Shut up fag.
>>14233939
Oh wow. Okay, I was under the impression Thunderbolt took place in a setting where the one year war dragged on for years. This being the case my problem is the ludicrous level of technology.
>>14233631
Pro tip: Mobile suit specs mean jack and shit in the show itself. See: the Gundam MK II shrugging off Hizack machine gun fire just like the RX-78-2 would, despite not being made out of Luna Titanium.
It's fast paced and entertaining. It's the show IBO should have been, and at four eps it doesn't overstay its welcome and there's no real reason not to watch it.
>>14233890
More than 8th MS Team but less than Unicorn and MSIGLOO
>>14233985
When did the Mark II get hit by machine gun fire?
>>14233981
It starts in the OYW and the level of technology so far isn't that much greater than what's already established. the Full Armor Gundam just has a lot of normal firepower attached to it, and the Reuse P device is related to psycommu type technology, although it works for oldtypes who have a direct connection but not with remote weapons.
I'm not sure about the later stuff that takes place after where the OYW originally ended, though.
>>14233016
>So what's the general consensus on Thunderbolt?
It was incrediblyshit.
>gundam getting btfo by a zaku 2 strapped with a shitload of bazooka and guns
It's like war in the pocket all over again.
昔の過去のデータの寄せ集め、こんなボロ機で戦ったバカはどんな奴だっただのだろうと再現フィルムみたいに作ったのだろう、アニメ化でプロの俺はお前に負けないと馬鹿にしたシーンが増えてる、普通ならオリジナルの試作機でガンダムと戦うのは当たり前だし、なんせ、他の話のネタのおまけで話した話だし、元ネタはもっと短い
>>14233016
Way, waybetter than G-Recturd.
I never got how all the UC gundam story have the fed win, you would have though some sad maybe we have the zeon win (with MC being from Zeon)
if that was the case we wouldnt have so much Zeon fanwank in the side story
>>14234157
But then we wouldn't get Nu Gundam
>>14234157
In the First Gundam novelisation Federation loses. Even after the Zabis were overthrown by Char and the White Base crew with Zeon being switched into a Republic, the Federation becomes a puppet state and Luna II becomes under Zeon control.
It's decent. Visually amazing and the soundtrack is up their as one of the best gundam ones (you can't beat Kanno tho)
But outside that it is mostly meh to okay. Characters fit the story well enough but are not very deep or that interesting, they are serviceable and entertaining at times. My real issue with the show is there is a big back and fourth that just doesn't really go anywhere. It becomes somewhat draining after a while more so than just normal ms/ma of the week as it's not like new interesting suits and people keep showing up.
I enjoyed my time with it and ordered the soundtrack, but it is like a girl with a hot body and nice voice but has fuck all to say.
>>14233064
shut up woolie
>>14233016
I don't like the free jazz but I loved everything else about this show.
>>14234301
>I don't like the free jazz
see >>14234195's pic
never watched anything about gundam
its great
>>14234195
>My real issue with the show is there is a big back and fourth that just doesn't really go anywhere. It becomes somewhat draining after a while more so than just normal ms/ma of the week as it's not like new interesting suits and people keep showing up.
It's only an hour long, how can you get "tired"?
I thought the story was awful but the designs and action are good
>>14233016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4sEcIHG0Yc
>>14234195
>the soundtrack is up their as one of the best gundam ones
It's the absolute worst one, not that there's much competition since 0080 is the only other Gundam installment that has a terrible soundtrack.
>>14234692
The story is pretty thin and doesn't really get the time it deserves to get you involved with the characters. While it tells the same story as the manga, I feel the manga tells it better and the story seems to get more interesting where the OVAs end.
It's a weird experience, the whole time I felt like I was watching a Victory sidestory but with pimped out OYW suits.
>>14234696
lel
>>14233562
>>14233612
>>14233631
So it's just all plot armor then?
>>14233016
Unicorn all over again.
Watch it for the porn forget everything else.
>>14233016
The mecha porn is fantastic. Everything else is edgy and boring.
>look how miserable all this people is!
>look at how do they suffer even more, oh, the humanity!
>look, we're gonna cut that poor crippled guy's only good arm just for shock value!
>what do you mean we could had put a joystick there in like 5 minutes instead of cutting his arm? No, no, no, there was no other way!
>>14233347
Camera-guided missiles are a thing even in the real world, and have been since before Gundam was a thing. Automated visual recognition and range estimating is how MS targeting systems work in the first place. Missiles are still possible in UC, just not radar/heat guided ones.
>>14235565
The point was that the direct interface gives much faster response and finer control than just adding a joystick for that arm and they needed every advantage they could get as they were massively outgunned.
>>14235589
This
The whole point of the reuse-p device was to control a mobile suit through prosthetic limb-like nerve inputs. The theory was that if a pilot plugs all of his limbs in, he can control the suit as if it were his own body
>>14235636
+newtype shit makes it better right?
>>14235589
>>14235636
It's basically the same dilemma as Ein in IBO. They have a Gundam running around no one can seem to stop, in part because it's so scary fast. So to overcome that they wire a cripple up so he can basically control the thing with his mind.
Forgettable trash that compensates interesting characters and good story with amputees and and grimdark character deaths designed to empty out Bandai's warehouse of unsold Thunderbolt kits.
>>14235684
>designed to empty out Bandai's warehouse of unsold Thunderbolt kits.
That's why they rolled out brand new anime ver. kits and a new ver. Ka for the ONA release, right?
>>14235684
kys buildbabby tripfag
A meaningless story with meaningless characters fighting a meaningless battle with meaningless goals with a meaningless end for merchandising purposes.
But the mobile suit fights and effects were cool and the animation was pretty to look at. Mech designs were decent, and the "slap shit on the suit" approach wasn't bad. Didn't care much for the freeform jazz soundtrack (sometimes it just sounded ugly and jarring but maybe that was supposed to be the point what with all the shit flying around the debris belt) but the show tunes were okay.
On a scale of good to bad, it's an "eh" with a supporting hand wiggle.
>>14235697
>That's why they rolled out brand new anime ver. kits
>recolors
>brand new
You might be retarded.
>>14233347
>autism
>>14235589
>>14235636
Which is complete bullshit. How would moving stumps instead of your fingers make it any faster?
>>14235840
If it reads the electrical impulses sent from your brain to your limbs rather than reading the input of your hands moving control devices, you're cutting a bit of time out of the process. An advanced enough system could let you control the robot like it's your own body, meaning reflexive actions could be used productively on the MS as well.
>>14235881
>you're cutting a bit of time out of the process.
Are you fucking kidding me? It takes you the same amount of time to think about moving any part of your body. And it takes nanoseconds for the electric impulses to go from your brain to any of them. There's absolutely no reason why it needs a pilot with no limbs when they could have shaped the cockpit like an armor and stick anybody there.
>>14236050
>>14235881
While the re-use device ended up having benefits in-series regarding performance, the real benefit is getting amputated soldiers back out onto the battlefield.
Remember, Zeon's biggest weakness is manpower. Putting more corpses in cockpits was their one shot to victory.
>>14236050
You do realize by directly imputing a pilots limbs into the machine, it would significantly cut down the reaction time of the mobile suit. You make it sound like sending the electrical impulses from your brain to your hands/feet, which then move a handle/peddle to move is exactly the same as sending an electrical pulse from your brain directly to the mobile suits to move. You are removing an entire set of reaction time which in a battle decided by microsections is a major deal.
Also it allows for the suits to be fine tuned to the pilot to maximize potential since you have at least two instances where the pilot's reaction time was so good, the suit itself couldn't keep up. (Amuro in the Gundam and Zechs with the Tallgeese.) and those are just normal input suits. Imagine giving them a direct neural interface and a suit that can match their reaction time.
>>14236069
>the real benefit is getting amputated soldiers back out onto the battlefield.
I can see that, but again, put a joystick or a pedal in the places where they still have limbs left. Not that hard.
>>14236071
If it's reading your electrical impulses, then whether you have limbs or not makes no difference whatsoever.
>>14236082
>I can see that, but again, put a joystick or a pedal in the places where they still have limbs left. Not that hard.
You know any amputees or people with mobility issues? It wouldn't be anywhere near that easy.
Besides, I see the re-use device as an extension of the early psycommu/newtype technology; what they really want to do is take the physical pilot out of the equation. Using it to make amputees combat-viable again is the short-term icing on the cake.
>>14234157
Neo /m/ would implode if Bandai ever produced an Anime where Zeon won outright.
>>14233990
What are you talking about? 08th MS team and Unicorn were massive Feddie wanks.
>>14233890
It's probably one of the few balanced shows because the author is massively waffles to keep both sides happy and this is ported over the ONA.Although he's sliding more to a Feddie wank in the recent volumes of the manga.
>>14236082
You're again ignoring the vital fact that you're cutting out the middle man (Which is your limbs) in controlling the mobile suit. That decreases reaction time and makes the suit a greater threat since it can maneuver and dodge with much more precision since you just have to think about where you're going as opposed to also taking into account sending that information to your arms and legs to control the suit. Think of it this way. You have a little man inside a giant man, and in one version, the little man uses his limbs to control the giant man. meanwhile the other version has the the little man directly controlling the giant man with his brain so he doesn't need to use his limbs to control the giant man. The second version takes out the need for external controls for the little man to control the giant man. Do you see how practical this is?
>>14236101
He's talking about controlling the mobile suit via electrical impulses regardless of whether you have limbs or not. In his scenario, the pilot would be hooked up to the machine and controlling it via impulses rather than pedals and sticks too - the pilot just would have his limbs in there too, because having limbs makes no difference in that regard.
>>14235565
>joystick
Uhh, they never mention anything about just using a joystick in the animation. Furthermore, even Darryl says they can keep winning if they amputate more people after his fight.
You're an idiot tbqh.
>>14234157
am you of are to being of speak the english?!?!
>>14236134
Couple of things, one thinking of moving your limbs in your mind and actually moving them are two separate things. So there is the chance that such a system that just directly scans your brain might make errors because the system might not be intuitive. (Thinking 'move arm', your arm or the mobile suit's arm?)
The bigger thing is they had built a system that read the electrical impulses of the brain. The Quasi-psycommu System, but that was to control INCOMs which were little wire guided beam cannons similar to funnels Newtypes use so even oldtypes could do all range attacks.
I'd have to confirm it, but i believe it was written that the Quasi-psycommu System, puts a tremendous strain on the pilot. Which might be why you never saw the Federation or AE reverse engine and adopt it for any of their mass production suits.
Managed to have a more engaging story than IBO and Reco even when though it's essentially the Rambo of Gundam series
breddy good 8/10
>>14236191
Your brain learns to differentiate between left and right arm when thinking "move arm" as a baby, so that you always move the correct one, so it can lean to differentiate between moving your human one and your giant robot one. I'll take time, but it's possible. Then again, moving your giant robot arm is going to take training and time regardless of whether you have your limbs or not. Loping off your arms and plugging the stump in to a giant robot isn't going to make it a 1:1 interface that sees no difference between your old arm and the giant robot. It'd take time too, which is why people who have strokes or other brain affecting issues often need to relearn how to do even elementary things like walking and talking: because any change in the system can be catastrophic and necessitate re-training all or part of it. If it's willing to ignore it as a step for one, there's really no reason it shouldn't be willing to ignore it as a step for the other.
>>14236226
You're not looking at all the variables and what the technology levels were at the time. Zeon needed to get their pilots back out onto the field, even if you take into consideration in how the brain learns or re-learns to communicate. Because yes, if you're arm is cut off, and you get a prospectic arm, you have to learn to use it properly.
As I said before, there was a non invasive system that was able to scan a pilot's electrical impulses in their brain to control wire guided funnel-sqe weapons, but it was never designed to control the entire mobile suit and as I said before, it allegedly put a tremendous strain on the pilot just from controlling the weapons. I imagine trying to control the entire suit via that system would prove to much and end up frying the users brain similar to how the Zero System can. (All hypothetical of course)
The alternative with OYW level tech since they didn't have a Quasi-psycommu System would be to create a direct neural interface which would require a device not only be implanted into either the user's spinal column or brain stem, but a way to physically connect the DNI to whatever system is controlling the suit to reduce lag. You'd be asking people to be human lab rats for a project that might take years to see any meaningful progress occur.
Obviously a DNI would be much more practical in the long run, but this is more of a Psycho Zaku was a situational project where Zeon used the time and resources at hand. And in this case, you have maimed pilots who have the skill and knowledge to use mobile suits and a system that would help reduce reaction time. Test subjects to collect data (which they were doing) and test subjects to use in actual combat (Daryl). It might seem cruel and impractical to you, but again, it's based on their situation and resources.
>>14236361
I'm not calling it cruel, though I might be calling it impractical. I was only clarifying what I believe the other anon was saying. And regardless of the variables involved, if you have a system that allows amputees to plug in to a mobile suit and control it as a physical extension of their body already, a non-amputee is going to be able to use the same system via a slightly different means to control the suit as a physical extension too.
All the talk of quasi-psycommus doesn't change that since the show is already about people who are actually doing exactly what you said they shouldn't be able to cause the OYW tech isn't up to that level. Which shouldn't really matter, since this is probably a different continuity doing it's own thing anyways. If Daryl can do it, then a non-amputee should be able to too, since plugging a non-amputee in via a slightly different interface isn't suddenly going to make the system non-operative or magically increase the neural load and mean he passes out from shock because he could only control the weapons.
>>14236388
It's a matter of creating a DNI to implant into a non-amputee and that's going to be a lot more dangerous regardless of how much neural science has progressed in UC since you'd have to directly operate on someone's central nervous system as opposed creating a system via their limbs.
I see what you're getting at in creating a system where you don't need to chop off all your limbs for it to work, but even with the Quasi-psycommu System, that only controls a weapon system. The issue of it causing a strain on the pilot, or the risk of getting the proper equipment implanted and maintained. (It doesn't seem like a project you'd get willing test subjects for and for all the brew ha ha people like to give Zeon for gassing colonies and dropping objects on Earth, you don't see them doing to much with invasive surgeries and human experimentation. Flannigan doesn't count because that was looking for spacial awareness and not implanting or testing stuff on a human subject to see if they'd survive.) It's a major risk that Zeon wouldn't be able to waste resources on considering the situation the war was in. Also the fact that amputating Daryl's right arm was a major moral dilemma that they only did because they were going to die anyway if they didn't do it.
tl;dr Zeon didn't have the tech for a Quasi-psycommu System (which has its own drawbacks.) And they already had a department pursuing prosthesis that was producing results in the field of DNI too. It's invasive as hell, but clearly setting up a system that hooks directly into a user's brain wasn't going to happen. (Money, time, finding someone willing to die if the implant goes bad, ect.) So you work with what you got.
>>14236071
Zeon did everything wrong, Black_Knight.
>>14236924
>finding someone willing to die if the implant goes bad
Aren't these kinds of projects typically done with death row inmates? IE people who are scheduled to die anyways and nobody would miss them or even care if the experiment goes horribly wrong and turns their brain into creme brulee.
thunderbolt is a slightly edgier 0080. for some reason, uc ovas like to toy with gundam fans and make them feel bad for liking cool giant robot fights
>>14237008
Psycho Zaku soloing a fleet and beating the Full Armor Gundam disagrees with you.
>>14237029
Depends on the country, if ethical standards are that lax to use death row inmates like that, they usually don't have a problem with just experimenting on whatever group or country they're at war/trying to wipe out by using whoever they capture from it.
As for human experimentation during the One Year War where the process may result in death (Test piloting doesn't count). I don't recall much of tha from either side. Unless you consider the Feddies sending 14 year olds into the meat grinder thinking it will produce more newtypes like Amuro.
>>14237072
>Psycho Zaku beating the FAG
Only the most exquisite of keks for you good sir.
>>14237072
>>14237029
Zeon doesn't have many if any death row inmtes. Being a death row inmate implies you had rule of law where people would be judged in court as guilty and thus become a death raw inmate.
Zeon doesn't have rule of law. Zeon just kills anybody who gets in the way of THEIR IDEALS. This is expected as they started off under a Zabi dictatorship, and after that they just held on to a quasi religious ideology, a la Islamic terrorists.
>>14233016
Excellent! Best entry since the 00 movie.
>>14237112
I didn't say it, Io did.
>>14237194
>All this conjecture, butthurt and bullshit. Shoehorning in Islamic terrorism is a new one.
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [45D09CDD].mkv_snapshot_13.10_[2016.05.15_21.21.42].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OTGpX9p.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 03 [45D09CDD].mkv_snapshot_13.10_[2016.05.15_21.21.42].jpg")
For manga readers.
Was the Zeon captain as based in the manga as he was in the anime?
>>14233318
All non Tomino series aren't canon.
>>14237370
Captain Burroughs? Yeah, he's basically the same in the anime as he was in the manga.
Except they changed the line where he says 'we can't sink here' from was saying they had to hold out for Daryl's sakeright before Io shot the bridge.
>>14237345
It's also funny because the manga introduces a not-ISIS third faction immediately after the anime cuts off
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 02 [68030945].mkv_snapshot_13.22_[2016.04.29_22.48.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9nF29Mg.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 02 [68030945].mkv_snapshot_13.22_[2016.04.29_22.48.05].jpg")
I liked the approach to Zeon ship design. I'm sure they were more spacious in regular Gundam.
>>14237072
>Psycho Zaku soloing a fleet and beating the Full Armor Gundam disagrees with you.
lmao they still lost the war you cuck
but keep sucking the Zabi's dick, I'm sure you wonderful Space Hitler will come save you someday
>>14233337
They're all canon.
>>14237377
>retard confusing canon with continuity again
>>14233021
hard to argue with this desu
>>14237345
What conjectures? It's verifiable fact that the Zabis were a de facto dictatorship. Dictatorships do not have rule of law. You can find evidence straight from the show: from M'Quve to Ginias to the Zabi leaders themselves, they backstab and kill each other with no regard to the law. They throw their own people like Cima under the bus. This is before talking about their interactions with the Federation.
Turning into a quasi religion is also verifiable fact. Marida herself told how people need a "light", and Zeon was that light - a light that "replaced God". Loni's story in the novels was also so heavy with religious undertones it was to be cut from the OVA.
>>14238155
Unicorn isn't canon. Yes, that is the answer you can expect. You'll have to find something from the 0079 movie trilogy, Zeta movie trilogy or CCA if you want to argue with him. Maybe one of the OVAs too, though I'm not sure which ones he says are canon today. 0083 is probably safe at least, since he likes Gato.
>>14238155
1. It's a time of war so the rule of law gets more fuzzy especially when you operate out of the jurisdiction of your courts. 2. That doesn't mean people are above the law. Remember when Kycilia shoots Gihren and says no one is above the crime of patricide and then says that after the battle she's be held accountable for shooting her brother? 3. We don't get to see much of Zeon's internal working outside of the leadership so we don't know how their military or civil courts work. So unless there is evidence showing contary more than 'these people do bad things and nothing happens to them immediately afterwards, it means it's lawless dictatorship!' You're going to have to produce something with more meat.
>>14237962
>They're all canon.
Which is impossible because of the contradictions between not only the TV and movie timelines. But applying either of those to Origin or Thunderbolt.
>>14238172
Incorrect, he's just using material from the TV Timeline when he mentions Unicorn (This is further reinforced by the fact that the definitive version of Unicorn is now a actual TV series). Everything that can be added, and not contradict the main movie timeline, is still included to refute the implication that I cherry pick series.
>>14239132
> the definitive version of Unicorn is now a actual TV series
Pretty sure no-one has ever said it's definitive, just that it it is. It exists. That doesn't make it definitive. Especially when it's had no actual differences so far.
>>14239186
If and when differences are made, they'd take priority over the OVA unless the Director says otherwise.
>>14239212
Yes, they would. It wouldn't make one non-canon unless the changes specifically contradict stuff established in the OVA version though. And even then, its only maybe, because taking Japanese properties like Marcross and the Leijiverse as examples, everything can be canon regardless of differences.
>canon
>priority
>definitive
you people are fucking idiots, you know that? At least macrossfags have the decency to go 'they're all retellings of what actually occurred and not factual accounts or gun cam footage'.
Hell, they even say DYRL is an in-universe movie of Space War 1 instead of MOVIE IS CANON NOW TV CAN SUCK COCK HAHA I'M RIGHT YOU'RE WRONG I AM THE BIG ANIME FAN
these threads should be banned.
>>14233021
Basically this.
Loved the very concepts of the Thunderbolt and Psycho-Zaku. Loved to see them fight. Hated Io, didn't care about Darryl.
>>14239262
The Thunderbolt Gundam
>>14236098
>Besides, I see the re-use device as an extension of the early psycommu/newtype technology; what they really want to do is take the physical pilot out of the equation. Using it to make amputees combat-viable again is the short-term icing on the cake.
This. Reuse P is basically forerunning technology to better improve the already fledgling Psycommu/PsychoFrame technology.
Newtypes perform direct control via brainwaves.
Lets test it out on Oldtypes, with as good a direct control interface we can think of: literally connecting the mind to the machine, not via microcontrollers (the "joystick" that anon so gracefully called it) or drugs to enhance Newtype-like interactions, but by connecting the body. Its the analog version of a true Psycommu.
>>14239262
How can you hate such a lovable asshole?
Though the anime did make him out to be a lot more sadistic than he was in the manga.
Furthermore, why can't Thunderbolt be canon? It's literally a wholly separate story in and of itself. The BS it takes to reclaim the shoal zone, basically.
Io's FAG should have little or no influence on Amuro's Gundam.
Why is it hard to believe that the Feds developed another High-end suit based off Amuro's test data?
Why is it hard to see that the tech in Thunderbolt isn't suddenly brand new to the MSG story? There have been neural interfaces already. There have been crazy mech designs already.
Just because it LOOKS pretty and slick and fucking clutch, doesn't make it more advanced than existing technology in the canon. Infact, I'd say the OVA has done a great job making what amounts to all the scenes in MSG where Amuro makes the Gundam literally handle like a human in armor look beautiful.
I need to see something really outlandish to convince me Thunderbolt can't reasonably and rightly be considered canon.
>>14239349
Because people get autistic about the author's interpretations of the designs
>>14239312
Actually, psycommu does work on oldtypes already in terms of reading their brainwaves and translating it into machine code (newtypes are better at it though). The issue is that they just can't use the remote weaponry because they lack psycowaves to broadcast the orders with across space.
>>14239359
Precisely. It's pretty animation telling a straightforward story, using story elements already present in MSG-- if Io was using a Mobile Trace system or something completely out of place within UC's tech spectrum, then I'd say yeah... that clearly doesnt fit.
Nothing in Thunderbolt is outside of UC's tech spectrum. As an aside, I'd have liked to see Alex's 360 degree cockpit show up in the FAG just to cement this connection-- the Full Armor Gundam is a next generation mech that is still within the spectrum. I think it's doubly interesting that the Feds decided to give the FAG to Moore rather than to WhiteBase... unless since Alex was supposed to go to Amuro, imagine what the NT-1 would be able to do if it was placed in the Thunderbolt story.
Either way, my point being, just because the animation looks amazing and has that "WOW!" factor, doesn't make what's happening or what its using to make stuff happen suddenly new or out of canon. Unless the Brotherhood and Living Dead's shenanigans somehow make Kycillia miss her spot on the bridge or somehow makes Char remove his helmet before his an Amuro's sword fight, this shit is Canon.
>>14239349
Because the series of events is completely different?
>>14239388
>The FAG is a next generation Gundam
it literally is not.
>>14239392
I bet you're one of those fags who believed those fake spoilers about the Zeong being mass produced and that Gihren and Kycilia surviving in Thunderbolt
>>14239392
What "series of events" are you talking about? Not once has the Shoal Zone ever been explored within the MSG canon.
Sorry, once that I can think of, on a level in EiS.
This is my point-- there is no 'series' of events because Thunderbolt's a 4 part show that literaly only shows 1 event. All of Thunderbolt could have never happened and MSG would have carried on the same way as before.
Same as for 0080, and 8th MS team. These are side stories concerned with their own plots, that frankly don't impact the overall story or canon in anyway. Thunderbolt doesn't suddenly make major characters die, or cause a retcon of technology or personnel.
I need proof where Thunderbolt strays from Canon.
>>14239397
From my perspective, a fully loaded Gundam that has Amuro's battle style programmed into it is most definitely "next generation." Same as the NT-1 which adds even more technological enhancements.
I would not consider the Ground Gundams as "next generation" as they are barely a step above the GM.
RX-78-2 is a glorified beta that kept on ticking.
>>14239398
>what the fuck is the South Seas Alliance
so you're going to claim that the OVA is canon despite the manga diverging or some stupid shit? Why are you so hellbent on merging TBUC and UC that you're willing to forget anything anyone says, including Banrise, to make it so? It is an ALTERNATE RETELLING until someone in a seat of power says otherwise. It is as much UC canon as SEED and no mental gymnastics are ever going to change this. There was only one Zeong, the Alliance never existed, and most importantly MOTHERFUCKING ATLAS GUNDAM WHAT
>>14239405
Then your perspective is idiotic. The FAG is built from an RX-78-1.
>>14239400
>wut do yu meen thars a manguh?
>>14239388
Now, what I don't get is why some no name unit on a second line mission managed to get a top of the line mobile suit with capabilities that rival or exceed the RX-78
Was White Base really that hated or was tech advancing that quickly?
>>14239416
It was "a gift".
The "there is nothing more expensive than a free gift" kind.
>>14239407
And the Delaz Fleet and Team Cima didn't exist until 0083 came along to use these new characters to segue into a Zeta Gundam origins story. Was 0083 considered non-canon for years?
Just because something introduces new ideas into an established series, or fleshes out established lines and ideas, doesn't make it "non-canon"
>... that you're willing to forget anything anyone says, including Banrise, to make it so?
Are you telling me the very creators of this product have unequivocally said that Thunderbolt is to be considered non-canonical?
>>14239426
To mainline UC yes. It has its own canon. It is an ALTERNATE RETELLING, in their own damn words.
>>14239416
It was "gifted" to them. Backroom political dealings basically.
Also Whitebase was supposed to get the NT-1 but you know...
>>14239429
Well not to be "that guy," but do you have a link or an article that I can find the gist of this in?
Is the fact that the suits have all-new designs just not enough for some people?
>>14239388
>>14239359
>>14239349
All the mobile suit designs used in Thunderbolt and the fact that Bandai specifically calls them the Thunderbolt version. The only counter claim you can make is that they were specifically designed to operate in the Thunderbolt sector, (I.E. Zaku II MS-06TB) which isn't the case since their unit designations are exactly the same as the originals. Another contradiction is the fact that the Siren Fleet, a group that does not operate in the Thunderbolt sector but came to the aid of the Living Dead Division's distress signal used Zaku Is of the same design as what were used in Thunderbolt and the Gelgoogs were a completely different model. To put the final nail in the coffin, the Gelgoog MS-14A (The unit that was used in Thunderbolt) was not deployed until the Battle of A Baoa Qu.) You can't use War in the Pocket as a comparison to Thunderbolt either in terms of mobile suit designs exactly because they went out of their way to explain why they were different (The UMP, plus they were given unique designations.) Also the cockpit design, with how the screens create a more wide screen effect for the pilots isn't something used in any other Gundam series.
As for the series itself, the author already stated that Sunrise told him he could take any liberties with the timeline he wished, so now you have the South Sea Alliance and half of Zeon's military refusing to disarm after the armistice was signed. Those would be extremely significant events overlooked if they did occur.
Thunderbolt is just it's own separate continuity, the fact it's not canon doesn't make it any less of a series or means you shouldn't watch it.That's something that people don't seem to understand
>>14239362
They did create a system that Oldtypes could use called the Quasi-psycommu System, but it required the weapons to be wire guided as opposed to free floating. But it wasn't adopted by the Feddies or AE, so the question is why if it worked.
>>14239435
they're outfitted for battling in what's effectively 360 degrees of pure debris. Imagine not having 2-4 shields or auto arms to move stuff out of the way for you, while traveling at breakneck speeds, while avoiding gunfire.
the designs look cool by convenient design and functionality. this is definitely not enough to be considered non-canon.
if >>14239429 is an accurate statement, then I stand corrected.
>>14239434
You haven't even read the Ohtagaki interveiw?
>>14239444
No. Do you have somewhere where I can?
>>14239444
He just said that they let him do whatever he wants with the story. It never explicitly says Thunderbolt in an alternative universe.
At the end of the day, Sunrise/Bandai only cares about getting new stories and selling more toys so its not like they really care about the little details
>>14239443
No, I'm talking the entire design. All of them, the entire mech. There were exactly zero non-cold weather and non-aquatic MS with rubberized joint covers. Those goddamn backpacks. Gelgoogs being where they shouldn't for the time period and production figures. Three fucking zeongs. He was told to do whatever he wanted even if it didn't fit. So it doesnt. Stop trying to cram your AU down UCs throat so we can actually read the manga without you shitters making us hate it.
The OVA was a mistake.
>>14239444
Nevermind, I just googled and read it. Dissappointing that it isn't canon as the story seems to fit extremely well.
I stand corrected-- it does make you wonder why it didn't just create an entirely new AU at that point. Not sure what the benefit of putting it into UC Gundam is. Dare I say, entering a war story near the ending of the big war would make for an interesting perspective if the war and parties were completely new.
>>14239416
The EFF actually wanted them to clear out the thunderbolt sector so they could secretly move the main fleet through it, not cut off a supply line. They kept this a secret even from the brotherhood so the fleets plans wouldn't be leaked and is why they were being so generous in supplying them. The mission was actually high priority.
>>14239450
CS: I think in some respects, designing for Turn A Gundam was something that couldn’t be done by someone who liked Gundam too much.
>YO: It takes courage to destroy it. But, if your affection is too strong, you’ll always end up trying to protect it, so I think you have to learn from example. Doing that will just result in a rehash. You have to get rid of some part of it and build something new in its place or there is no point drawing in this day and age. As I continue my manga series, I’m always thinking about what parts of Gundam should be destroyed.
CS: Aside from director Tomino 1, you don’t hear many people involved with Gundam talking about “destroying Gundam.”
>YO: I’m humbled [laugh]. I think in that sense Thunderbolt started off in a very fortunate position. Just as the lack of attention given the first Gundam TV series allowed it some freedom, my Gundam series is on a unique platform with Shogakukan’s Superior, so it’s not as tied down. In the beginning, I told them that I wanted to be able to work freely, even if that meant it wasn’t part of the Gundam canon, and they told me I could do what I want. However, that makes it difficult to adapt into anime and Gundam models... I suppose [laugh].
http://otakumode.com/news/52fc76ef80cd488c6b00068f/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-3-3
>>14239450
And you didn't even Google it. Should I come to your house and press the keys for you?
http://otakumode.com/news/52fc71c07a9cc14b2a00046e/Interview-with-Mobile-Suit-Gundam-Thunderbolt-Author-Yasuo-Ohtagaki-1-3
Just to make sure you understand my stance on this, I fucking hate you for making me link this instead of typing OHTAGAKI THUNDERBOLT INTERVIEW into the top of your browser like you were actually over twelve goddamn years old. Suck my fucking cock, enjoy the spoon.
>>14239468
Thank you.
>>14239471
I retract my statement as you googled it while I was posting. Good job.
>>14239460
The OVA is advertisement for the manga as well as any new merch that comes of it, just like every anime adaptation.
Hell, where the ova leaves off practically screams "BUY THE MANGA TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!".
>>14239460
Money, that's why. The SSA, half of Zeon taking their shit and going renegade instead of scattered fleets and deserted ground forces, cripples jacking in through prosthetics (still not as bad as newtype ghosts but there's still no precedent by 0081), severe departure in certain designs rather than the redesigns of the basic MS, there's a lot that really doesn't fit. It's still a great manga.
>>14239241
>If and when
Thus far, we haven't seen a single addition or deletion from the OVAs.
>>14239471
Take a page from >>14239468
Amazing what a little courtesy and help can do to further the conversation. You're taking a discussion on anime personally...why?
>>14233518
If you've ever posted several images in succession, replying quotes allows you to post without getting the spam detector to fuck you over for posting the same thing (i.e. nothing) over and over.
Not sifting through every post,
I love the characters in this one, which I usually dislike most anime characters. Darryl particularly when he was smiling and promised Karla they could be legitimately happy and smile from the bottom of their hearts. Just that the smile he wore and what he gave his body to was the best he could do when facing a likely suicide scenario. It's be interesting to see more of his backstory as to why he really went from infantry to experimental MS corps.
>>14239582
His entire backstory is in the flashback when he is testing the Psycho Zaku. The anime left out a few details like his father getting treatment and his sister being able to go to school because of his military service and hazard pay. Honestly, there's not a whole lot to his character. He seems to be a decent guy stuck in an incredibly shitty situation
>>14233890
It is oddly balanced honestly. The Federation pilot is a dickbag, but still a likeable enough guy if you like the "handsome jocks" stereotype.
In hindsight the main protagonists for both sides are less believable as soldiers in giant robots, but more like characters in your average American high school sitcom/drama-dy aimed early teens.
>>14239345
Still can't believe they're using Hi-Points in the far future of giant robots.
>>14239597
>UC 0093
>RIFLE IS STILL FINE
>>14239588
Ah, that's cool. I figured there was something beyond the "amputee fighting to prove they're useful" given the family in the flashbacks.
The Feddie captain, Claudia: did they ever really give a motivation to her drug addiction as an officer?
>>14239608
I think that was just her way of trying to cope with PTSD after sending scores of men to their deaths and the fact that she was going to start sending children out as cannon fodder. She compares her feelings to that of Io's father, who was the mayor of Side 4
>>14239608
>The Feddie captain, Claudia: did they ever really give a motivation to her drug addiction as an officer?
It's more an assumption of PTSD, stress, and responsibility amongst the three Federation characters.
Claudia is naturally not strong enough to take on her responsibilities and the weight of the OYW. She's drawn to Io because he is, but even with that, their romantic baggage isn't as strong a support as she needs.
The glasses guy damn near worships the ground Io walks on, and Io's more or less become his pillar of strength. I bet he'd give Io sloppy gagging deepthroat if he asked, he's so goddamn puppy-eyes around him.
Io has tons of issues and a relative amount of PTSD regarding the OYW, but he channeled it into MS piloting as a talent because he's more or less emotionally dead save for his pride, brief wild moments of him letting go to have fun and not think about his lot in life, and vengeance.
>>14233217
>Any excuse to call a Gundam a FAG
Zeon propaganda detected.
>>14239605
where do you even find a tree big enough to carve into a handguard for mobile suits
>>14239633
Redwood forrest?
>>14239618
>>14239625
Thanks. I do recall Claudia, Io and Cornelius were the thrill seeking sort of Side 4 before it went up. Io and Cornelius and went to the MS Corps (with Io embracing it). I sorta' forgot Cluadia was from Side 4 and focused on the romantic quality.
>>14239658
I think Io was the only adrenaline junkie
They were all a part of an aristocratic society before Zeon blew it all up
>>14239666
Anime showed all three notably older in a prop plane race of sorts. But Io definitely seemed to be the only one who had the need for any of it.
>>14239260
the only idiot is black_knight, everyone else just wants to watch /m/ shows and talk about shit but he has to ruin every thread he posts in by talking about how zeon was the good guy getting bullied by the feddies and how shit is/isn't/was but no longer is cannon
>>14233217
>Manko
>>14239608
>>14239625
With Claudia it's also the fact that she got her job solely because of nepotism when she is clearly unqualified for it. Not only does she lack the leadership skills, but she doesn't have the stomach to make hard choices like sending soldiers to die in battle. It's why the rest of her bridge staff show contempt for her and what ultimately caused Grahamto shoot her. Combine that with the fact that she is ordered to send Io and the child soldiers on what is a suicide mission by HQ, it's no wonder she used drugs as an escape.
>>14239682
It was more that they were friends helping Io out because Claudia wad Cornelius could handle the aristocratic lifestyle well because of their personalities, (deferring responsibility and being submissive to authority.) It's Io who is the one who needs a means of escapism from his situation based on his personality.
>>14239588
Daryl is basically an average soldier who is willing to make tremendous sacrifices for his teammates. It's not uncommon in real life to see a solider get gravely wounded or lose a limb in combat, but do everything they can to try and get back to their squad because they feel an obligation to still be with them to see the war through. Also from how the scene was described, Daryl's service was part of a deal to get better treatment for his family. Not only did his father get medical treatment, but his mother mentioned they got moved out of the refugee camp to an apartment, so it's hard to say if Daryl's family is from another Side or from Earth and ended up being forced to flee because of Anti-Zeon sentiment.
>>14239241
>>14239511
And if do end up making changes, we will see what happens.
>>14237925
>Moving the goalposts
>>14239814
Keep crying, the only one who's ruining threads are people like you who try to derail them because you have no self control to not shipost.
>People are still retarded enough to reply to tripfags like Black_Knight
/m/ really is the most gullible board.
>>14239633
It doesn't have to be real wood anon.
>not having Black_Knight filtered
Tell me, what's it like to be cripplingly retarded?
>>14240187
There is a guy in the plamo thread who has been spamming, samefagging, and generally shitting up the entire thread for over a year now. People still give him (You)'s on a regular basis.
>>14240187
I guess I'm not seeing the bite in his posts-- if anything they're helping to drive the discussion? What's wrong with opposite views when they're not couched in the form of shitposting?
I get that it's the aesthetic, but I find the Full Armor Gundam and Psycho Zaku really ugly when they're all geared up
Any battle scene cut/shortened from the manga that could be added in December Sky
Hey guys I found this nifty old commercial for Thunderbolt! They got the gundams colors wrong though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9RMgjErXp0
>>14236924
Why do you keep referring to pilot strain and quasi-pyscommus only controlling weapons like it matters? Daryl is already an oldtype using a DNI to control an entire suit. Quasi-psycommu issues are irrelevant because they've already proved the technology is beyond that point and can enable people to control more than just weapons.
More than that, a DNI does not have to operate on someone's central nervous system, since DNIs can be made that work via MRI with no surgeries needed as well as via the nervous system - though I'm not sure how that's really a problem because Daryl's already does and that doesn't seem to be an issue. At least, not the operating on the nervous system part. If a DNI can be made that interfaces with him via his lost limb stumps, one can probably be made that operates on a normal person via a snug glove/greave device that fits over the limbs. His DNI already must operate through skin (he's not bleeding out, so it has to) and via his nervous system, so there's no reason it couldn't be modified to fit a regular person easily enough.
Also, if Zeon can find people to gas colonies and soldiers willing to continue fighting even after being rendered disabled, I think they can find a few people willing to risk surgery for a DNI. Saying they couldn't is ignoring the reality that people sign up for all kinds of crazy shit in and out of war on a regular basis for notions like patriotism. Or simply for money, which Zeon has never been short on.
I get why the story went that direction, since it offers a more tragic bend to proceedings, but being realistic, nothing that's happening to Daryl couldn't easily be applied to a normal person without limb loss to pay as a price.
>>14239875
Unless Unicorn makes changes though there's no real point or necessity in calling it the definite version, so doing so is still jumping the gun.
>>14240228
The new comers to /m/ are all horribly fragile minded and I am willing to take positions that they see as inconceivable. Basically it's just people being butthurt that they don't get an echo chamber, so they tend to get extremely shitposty when I come around and they make wild accusations that I destroy and derail every thread I post in. (Clearly not the case.) While ignoring the fact I've been posting in /m/ since it was first created a good decade ago and if I really was this nefarious troll, I'd have been perma banned years ago.
>>14240269
The issue is Quasi-psycommu System not a primary system, but a secondary one so the pilot not only needs to focus on piloting and using weaponry through traditional means, he needs to focus on using the INCOM system as well, it creates an extra layer that the pilot needs to focus on. Daryl's DNI is for the movement of the mobile suit itself so it means much less multitasking since the DNI is the lynchpin of the mobile suit as opposed to a secondary system. Also, radiography will need to make some more leaps forward technologically for an MRI to even be considered a DNI. Plus the fact that you're neglecting the M in MRI. Magnets, how is that going to work in a cockpit full of metal and electronics? I can't see that ending well. The reason Daryl's DNI system works is because they're hooked up to his nervous system and it's to control the mobile suit's movement. It's why he has natural motion with his arm and legs even though they're prospectics. So we can assume that the metal stumps have wiring that's directly connected to his nerves in his arms and legs to control anything that's plugged in. If it could be operated via just connection through his skin, they wouldn't have had to have cut his right arm off. Plus you're missing the D in DNI which is Direct, meaning it's a direct interface without any mediums.
I'm still going to refer to it as the definitive version unless something contrary happens.
>>14240491
>if I really was this nefarious troll, I'd have been perma banned years ago.
No, that's because /m/ has zero mod presence.
>>14240951
I would agree with you there because of how bad the bug infestation has gotten, but then what about certain tripfags who were actual shitposters who got permabanned, or the 'YOU ARE FUCKING GAY' spammer from some Southeast Asia country who kept ban evading to the point moot just ranged banned his entire country to stop him?
Would they do that sort of action now?Maybe?
>>14233016
Looks good. That's it. Shit story, shit characters, shit revisionism. Luckily I'm not a canonpoofter so I can enjoy watching the fancy robots shoot at each other even though I know they shouldn't exist in muh one year war.
>>14240216
Found the vz.58 owner.
>>14240239
That simply means that you're not a mechanical design idiot like the author. He has very strange ideas on what's aesthetically pleasing; it's a miracle that Bandai's engineers were able to turn the Thunderbolt designs into something understandable and reasonably attractive in kit form. They really cleaned up the mess of sub-arms.
A pity that they can't quite make the "kevlar/armor-fabric" sort of wrapping around some of the Thunderbolt Zakus' limbs (specifically the biceps) though. I think it's horrendously ugly looking in plastic form.
I know it's supposed to show that even these Zeon Remnants are so poor that they can't even finish armoring their Zakus, but it just looks ugly as shit.
On the note of the author's designs, the Atlas Gundam is one of the worst things I've ever seen /m/-wise, and he also had the silly idea to give a tank-ish guntank variation some hand manipulators I believe. Even though it has forearm mounted weaponry that actually extends past the hands to make them useless to begin with and could have been replaced with the normal quad-barrel ones.
>>14239605
Tovarich approved
>>14241742
>remnants
Found the redditor
>>14240232
All he does is post pictures of other people's work or reposts new product promo pics
>>14241742
There are no zeon remnants in thunderbolt. The part in the thunderbolt sector takes place during the oyw and in the following parts its literally half the zeon forces still fighting the war. They still hold territory on Earth and are actively organized and conducting battles.
>>14241742
You are aware that the joints are covered with that to protect them from the debris in the sector they're fighting in, right?
>>14233016
The BUY THE MANGAAAAAAAA ending left a bad taste in my mouth.
>>14245840
What do you expect? It's based on an ongoing manga
>>14240491
Why do you keep mentioning the quasi-psycommu system like it has any relevance to the conversation? I'm not advocating that Zeon make one or anything like one, only that the Reuse (P) device could easily be refitted for use by non-disabled people since all the heavy lifting is done. I'm not asking for them to make a secondary system a normal pilot could use, nor an INCOM like set of weapons they could use, only stating that the Reuse (P) device could be refitted to remain a primary system dedicated to moving the mobile suit and used by a non-disabled pilot.
Also, I didn't say an MRI was a direct neural interface, only that one could be built based off one. Which it can. It might have issues of it's own, but it's an alternative to surgery on a person's nervous system. It'd presumably work by containing the magnetic field within the device or making the magnet only strong enough to affect the person wearing it and not the machine it's in. Seeing as how it's already in contention as a possible DNI though, I'm pretty sure it's possible to make one that can do the job, since metal will be an issue with any machine you control using an DNI, not just a mobile suit.
If Daryl's DNI was connected directly to his stumps it has to go through skin to get to his nerves or he'd bleed out. If it can go through his skin, it can go through the skin on a normal person's arms and legs. He might need needles or a device of some kind to link him up with the unit when he's inside it, but there's no way they're opening the stump wound up every time he sits in.
Also, I know you're going to refer to Unicorn TV as the definitive version unless you're proven wrong. I'm just pointing out that it's not definitive at the moment, no-one has said it is, nothing it's done ha suggested as much and as such you're just saying it is because it suits you.
>>14243529
I would call them remnants since politically they've completely lost and the only reason they're still fighting is due to stubbornness. They can't manage anything beyond guerrilla-style attacks and there is no higher command structure or leadership
>>14233756
It was hit by a Panzer Faust
>>14234704
>0080 is the only other Gundam installment that has a terrible soundtrack.
That's a funny way of saying Zeta loser.
>>14248725
YOU TAKE THAT BACK FUCKER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJNMfDi2gho
