Is thunderbolt on its way to become one of the most underappreciated gundam ovas ever? literally no one is talking about it.
>>14118451
>literally no one is talking about it.
Because it takes forever for the subs to come out. Killing the initial hype. Once the subs come out discussion hype will have died down. As it stands I'm guessing /m/ really likes the series, but since the subs come out so irregularly, it's hard to find a moment of synchronicity where everyone wants to discuss it.
Anyways, the series scores excellent marks from me. Predicting an 8 once I watch the 4thonce it gets subs.
>>14118451
Daryl a cute
>>14118451
>most underappreciated gundam ovas ever
That's not MS IGLOO.
>>14118521
>That's not MS IGLOO.
IGLOO looks like trash.
It's not underappreciated.
It's unappreciated.Zudah is cool tho
>>14118537
Unappreciated is a level below underappreciated, which makes it more underappreciated than something that's just unappreciated.
>>14118451
Literally what is the constant grimdark feeling in the gundam series these days, it's like Japan's view is that the world has been at constant war and they just want everyone to stop fighting.
>>14118509
Not even its wiki's have decent information, no one is giving the ova the love it dissevers.
Out of curiosity through, what other gundams you would give 8+ scores? new to the series after only watching G-rekt, IBO, and age when I was younger and stupid, Thunderbolt really blew my mind, and if some of the old gundam animes are as good, I really would love to start digging then out right now.
>mfw the sniper beams melting the mechas at that level of detail the first 5min in the first episode
>>14118578
>Why my war animes are trying to realistically portrait warfare
I am confuse by this post
>>14118579
if the animation is what you really like, probably only 0083 and maybe F91 will be your jams.
in the original UC stuff (0079, Zeta, ZZ, CCA) is all really good; zz is a radical change of pace at the start as compared with zeta and 0079, but it gets better.for entirely different reasons, i'd suggest G Gundam as well because that is the best of all possible gundam universes
>>14118451
>literally no one is talking about it.
There's not much to say since there's not much content to talk about. There's only so many arguments we can have about it, and so many good things we can say about it before it just devolves into a brainless circle jerk
>>14118582
I mean, it's more than your typical, 'hey this action is great but war sucks' message coming out of good war films, Gundam's underarching war is hell theme has become increasingly anvilicious and insistent
it's like, going from a clinical discussion with documentary footage in a debate to screaming at the audience and forcefully shaking them by the shoulders to bring the point home
>>14118579
Well, it's on shitty laserdisc quality, but X is really damned good. It actually has a lot of really nice looking parts, but lacks the definition because of how crap the source is.
You could always just start at the beginning with MSG, but I won't be a pedant about it.
0083 has some top tier animation porn. F91 and Unicorn are pretty great in that regard as wellalthough Unicorn really isn't as good looking as it ought to be.
You could jump in on the tv airing of Unicorn, although it's got some really choppy pacing since it's the cut up OVAs for TV. Some people will scream about how it doesn't make sense without the preceding stuff, but Unicorn's story is entirely standalone. It doesn't dump it, but it gives you enough history of the setting through the exposition. It's animated by the same folks that did Reco and TB, so it could be right up your alley.
>>14118582
Your greentext was good until you brought realism into it
>>14118584
I do not care about the animation much, I mean come on I watched Age and IBO. I do care about good character writing through, with development and an actual past just like Thunderbolt daryl, in one episode they manage to flesh him out so well is insane.
idk about the originals gundams through, a lot of people seems to criticize then and even say the characters have autism on then, but it could just be /m/ being retarded, I have no idea I am still new to this board. G gundam is a def through, but right now I am hungry for realistic warfare, tragic past stories, rivalry between enemies etc.
>>14118609
>AGE
>bad animation
That's maybe the only thing AGE got right.
>>14118609
AGE actually had good animation, but sure
Anyway, pic related. Watch in production order.
>>14118451
/m/ talks about Thunderbolt a lot, given the disappointment of IBO and shoveling out more Unicorn. Thunderbolt is relatively fresh even if it is just another take on the OYW.
Why does Io look like a different person with the helmet on?
>Why does Io look like a different person with the helmet on?
Why are tripfags so stupid?
>>14118617
He doesn't show his ebin spikey hair, that's why
There was a relatively active thread about it until people shitposting about fansubs drama derailed it
>>14118451
Nobody is talking about it because its a forgettable shit show designed to clearance out Bandai's warehouse of GMs and Psycho Zakus
>-Kun
>capital K
Doesn't that tripfag have another tripfags dick to be choking on?
>>14118579
00 is the best Gundam show. Self contained, new enough to have great animation, has excellent designs, good music... Its very balanced.
The shitlords on /m/ will tell you it's bad but that's just a meme. Nobody here actually watches much Gundam they just bitch about it.
>>14118451
Like others have said, subs are taking forever, and well for me personally I'm just waiting for the next Volume of the manga.
Because it's beautiful, but empty. There are some gorgeous scenes, wonderfully animated, great music, and a couple of genuinely heartwrenching stuff...when it comes to the visuals of Daryl losing his limbs and such. But the relationships feel empty and boring, the interaction feels more aesthetic than genuine between the characters in many scenes. Daryl and Io also don't really have an interesting rivalry or conflict, they're very separate beings and thus there is a thread missing in linking the two stories and sides together. Mostly you just get a very beautiful "war is shitty" story but there's not much interesting substance to discuss.
>>14118929
Gundam 00 is one of my favorites, but it's pretty gimmicky, anon. Not only that but the politics are shit and it was all resolved in a way that's far more retarded than Kudelia being sugoi or any other halfassed resolution Gundam pulls to its nonsensical political quagmires it forms.
>>14118929
00 is before came out before Age right? I should give it a try, I don't feel like watching another gundam like Age through, and from what this >>14118943 anon say is close enough
>>14118954
I'm >>14118943 anon, and I do recommend 00. It has its flaws and I definitely think it's got a lot of stupid shit, but it's got good characters, relationships, and pretty good conflict and drama. Especially Season 1.
>>14118935
Do you mean official subs? Manko put out episode 2 and 3 recently
>>14119261
It took a month for episode 3 subs to come out thereabaouts
>>14119268
There weren't any decent raws until recently. The BD release should be nice though because supposedly it will be a 4K release
>>14118584
>Zeta
>good
how to spot a newfag
>>14119295
>>Zeta
>>good
>how to spot a newfag
how to spot a shitposter
>>14118451
When a show that is as good as thunderbolt comes along there is no need for further discussion the work stands by itself.
>>14118617
>Why does Io look like a different person with the helmet on?
The lack of hair can lead to a character losing its identity because there isn't anything tying him to what we've seen with him without a helmet thats why his music becomes a good trigger for figuring out its him but in the first half of the episode one I will give you that its rather confusing whose attacking the zeiks. One of those things you appreciate on future viewings really.
I like the use of music in Thunderbolt, even if I don't exactly like the songs. Io's free jazz is wild and chaotic while Daryl listens to more structured 50's pop/doo-wop. It's also interesting to hear Japanese takes on more western music genres like the flashback insert songs in episode 2.
>>14118451
This may come as a surprise to you, but Gundam Blunderdolt is just incrediblyshit.
oh man, its actually pretty hard for me to watch the show, its super fuckin good but jesus christ, the violence is actually brutal compared to a lot of recent gundam stuff
>>14119560
I agree its not so much the music itself its more about the use and how its used to punctuate a scene. Its rare to see a show in this day and age incorporate music into its narrative structure this well.
>>14119678
>that scene where he instinctually reaches for the drink with his stump because he forgot he lost his hand
That felt bad.Honestly, I think Thunderbolt would do well on Netflix.
>>14119660
>This may come as a surprise to you, but nobody cares about you and your weak attempt at shitposting
Get it subbed or dubbed and put on Toonami.
>>14119809
It's only an hour runtime. There's no way they would shell out the big bucks for rights of that since Bandai demands a lot of money for the rights to Gundam. They might end up with IBO since that is being dubbed
Not being popular means I can still like it. Much like watching Zeta on VHS/VCD during Toonami's heyday. It was so good not even the crabsticks could ruin its perfection. And then Wingniggers and SEEDswallowers got a hold of it. Ugh.
So final episode comes next week right?
How about the final episodes of Gundam Origin?
And they ARE making an Origin adaptation later right? No fucking IBO season 2 or remasters, or fucking Wing sequel right?
>>14119859
Final episode is out already, but it's a shitty rip from the mobile app that gets it early
The Origin still has 2 or 3 more episodes to go
No, they have no plans to remake 0079, The Origin is only doing Char's arc
>>14118451
>Is thunderbolt on its way to become one of the most underappreciated gundam ovas ever? literally no one is talking about it.
I don't give a fuck about another take on the OYW (wether it's canon or alternate universe). It doesn't matter if the animation is good, the music jazzy, the setting just doesn't interest me anymore. Move on Sunrise. Bring in some novelty in the Gundam franchise. If you're out of ideas look at what Kawamori is doing.
>>14118451
Eh. Couldn't make it halfway through the first episode. Nothing really interesting about it.
>>14119755
>>14119560
It is like they took what Marty O'donnel thinks, and put it into a show.
>>14119958
Maybe you should take your ADHD medicine then
Fuck, how is this show only 4 episodes? Fuck that was good.
>>14119957
>look at what Kawamori is doing.
You want Gundam idols?
>>14118609
>nd even say the characters have autism
You are being swayed by memes.
Just watch them. See >>14118616
MSG is hailed as a classic for a reason! It's a good, fun show, and >>14118584 is wholly correct. Watch it, enjoy yourself.
>>14120011
The other way around
>how is this show that good
>it's only 4 episodes
>>14119960
;_;7
Thunderbolt is amazing! Damn, I'm still salty over how short each episode is... also that girl crying in EP1 was irritating!
>>14118451
I'm not entirely happy with how many people are going to declare this their favourite Gundam thing ever, because it's only an hour long and it guts most of the characterization and plot.
>>14119766
i'm fuckin terrified of losing limbs, so all this stuff is horrifying.
its very well done with that said.
>>14120229
atleast it has pulled a "HEY LOOK THESE PEOPLE DIED BUT THEY REALLY DIDN'T"
i hated this sin that started in ZZ gundam and i still hate it today
>>14120229
I wouldn't go that far but man is the animation gorgeous. It gets top marks really for that alone.
>>14120285
Animation and presentation is fantastic, but it's so brief and bereft of time to develop the plot and characters that it's not very fair to put it on the same level as full series when you have to pick a favourite.
>>14120229
It's a delight to watch a Gundam where the MC isn't a mental case (excluding Tobiah)
>>14120017
>You want Gundam idols?
No, but I want something that is not another zeonic uprising, or another fight for independance between earth and its colonies. For all the hate Gundam 00 takes, I thought it was nicely done and quite different from your earth colonies/earth federation conflict. I want more of this.
>>14120289
>being a plotfag
Embarrassing desu
UC shoveling or not, Thunderbolt is executed well; decent pace, right amount of world building vs action, almost flawless animation, characterization that feels human and unforced. In the beginning I was skeptical since the manga gave an over the top impression, but the studio did a good job by keeping the OVA convincing and ultimately immersive. Thunderbolt is a standard of how modern mecha animation should be done.
>>14120392
>flawless animation
Not flawless, that's for sure, but the action is animated great (a lot of the flaws are hidden with lots of flashes and fast movements) but the characters themselves don't move a lot or fluidly. The art however is great, I can't really recall a single moment of QUALITY (not that there is a lot of content for there to be any QUALITY), and even at a distance characters are drawn well and the mobile suits are on-model in almost every frame, which a lot of shows can't say. The shading, while digital like the entire show, still looks really good.
Granted, it's only because of its really short length, but it definitely has one of the highest quality animation, which more than makes up for that short length and the lack of actual plot. The OVA is just a very simple rivalry between to characters, which is great.
>>14120402
>but it definitely has one of the highest quality animation
Left that unfinished
but it definitely has some of the highest quality animation among recent Gundam*
>>14120402
Yes it wasn't literally flawless, that's why I said "almost"; we have seen better animation before but as far as the mecha genre is concerned, the meat should be the action and Thunderbolt hit the right mark on that. The consistency of the art style, shading from mechanics to characters is one place that most shows nowadays don't even try. I do agree that the scenes with just character dialogues inside their respective ships had barely any movement, but they served well as story pacing buffers, and the budget and effort would be better spent at the action scenes. But I appreciate that they paid attention to small details like Daryl's adam apple moving as he swallows, it's the little things that all add together to create engaging animation.
Volume 7 when?
>>14120369
Michael Bay, please.
>>14118451
fucking loving this so far. had to rewind that last credit scene like 3 times song is fucking catchy.
>>14120354
While im not a fan of constant earth vs space colony stuff i'd still take it over the story of a deranged cult following a deadmans
words as they oppress and control humanity for a good cause while slapping explosive collars on people or manufature humans as spies letting them live normal live unknowing of what they are then arbitrarily
self destruct them because the don't age like humans and the space peace cult doesn't want to be caught.
But hey it's all for a good cause so it's okay.
Yeah i think i'll stick with the generic UC stereotype Gundam plot after all.
>>14120354
>is not another zeonic uprising, or another fight for independance between earth and its colonies
But it's not. OYW is just a convenient setting, we all know what's up so they don't have to explain everything. The story is about an asshole and a cripple and their flaws
>>14120289
Personally I don't mind the shallow story. Really reminds me of the mindless 80s and 90s action flicks I grew up with.
Watched Thunderbolt because animationfag, and after reading this thread watched F91 and starting on 83. Why do people say F91 had good animation? Maybe for its day in japan, but it does not hold up at all.
83 is looking pretty good.
>>14119859
>And they ARE making an Origin adaptation later right?
Really hope not. The 079 movies and the Origin manga already fill that desire for a retelling of it. I'd rather they actually bother to dip into more F91-Victory late UC era stuff outside of manga.
>>14123516
Watch it again, it holds up very well. The animation in general is undeniably good and much better than most animation today. I only have this meagre gif, hopefully others have some more
>>14123547
You know they will. The current generation of UC fags are getting older and they'll need to court a new generation of young UC fans. And let's be honest, most fans aren't that keen into old anime.
Between coming up with an entirely new setting and using one from an established brand polished for the modern audience, I'm sure the latter requires less effort. Obviously, it won't be made any time soon, but in say, 6-7 or so years, it'll be easy to use Origin to attract newer fans who have heard a lot about early UC but weren't interested in old anime. You already see some of that happening where people who haven't watched 79 etc got into stuff like Unicorn, Origin OVA and of course, Thunderbolt.
A full Origin adaptation is a logical conclusion, just again, it won't be happening any time soon.
Could they make Thunderbolt into a live action movie and sell it in the west?
I think the 50s pop and jazz might get people interested.
>>14123682
Get outta here before I kill you
>>14123682
>Live action adaptions of Anime
>Ever turning out well
>Ever a good idea
>>14118451
It's appreciated just as much as it should because it's a shitty stain on the Gundam franchise.
>>14123682
They would rather appreciate an alternative history about french pilots fighting nazi superweapon squad than japanese non-transformers mecha adaptation
>>14123682
> jazz being something that might get people interested
What alternate reality are you from?
>le edgy free jazz guy who kills Zeeks and says "pssh, nothin personnel kyd"
>/m/ thinks this is the greatest shit ever
you fuckin' edgelords
>>14118451
I am enjoying the manga.
I'm probably in the minority here, but while I enjoy the different music that pops up and how it fits to Io and Daryl's themes, it doesn't get my blood pumping as much as most Gundam combat BGM does when shit goes down, especially Daryl's songs. It's like trying to fuck a girl while blasting away the MMPR theme song. I mean it's cool at first yeah, you might even singalong as you tap dat ass but eventually it just kinda gets weird.
>>14118451
No one does because CHINK SUBS
>>14123656
I am not saying a few scenes weren't good- but for every good scene, it had allot of QUALITY moments, and the lack of a sense of weight showed up multiple times. The human characters were particularly poorly animated. And I watched the whole thing without subs, just to pay attention to the animation as I could care less about some mecha plot line. It was disappointing.
An official AMV that does not make for a compelling story. It should have been a true series, or nothing at all, not that state of half product. Just a waste of money.
>>14123656
>no modern gunpla of that Jegan
>>14124954
You're an idiot
>>14125017
great rebuttal, I'm sure the still frame with spinning hand lightsabers for 5 minutes is the epitome of animation quality.
>>14125017
He actually made a real point, jesus.
I agree with him, the animation is inconsistent and the plot is nothing to write home about. F91 is my favorite UC design, but the movie is a disappointment.
Most other Gundam OVAs have dubs, which means they reach more people. Sure, Stargazer doesn't, but SEED is /m/'s favorite anime so they'll talk about that anyway.
>>14119273
I'm the ripper/encoder for Manko. I've had all the raws since they were out and just haven't shared them because I'm a faggot.
I'll be releasing all 4 in a batch when episode 4 comes out on the 22nd.
The main issue was getting translation started and convincing people that episodes 2+ were not going to be simulcasted like episode 1. 2 and 3 were only done by us recently.
Is 4 out?
Does raw exist?
>>14119273
>>14128125
QCer for Manko here. We prioritized finishing Iron-Blooded Orphans first, as all the raws for Thunderbolt were not out yet. Now that IBO is finished, the whole team is working on Thunderbolt.
There are raws of episode 04, but they're low-quality web videos that are 360p and 540p respectively. Our translators are using those to get a head start on the script, so that when a better HD raw comes out April 22nd, we'll be ready.
>>14127090
>>14128659
Based. Keep up the good work.
>>14118579
>when I was younger and stupid
>lists only the most absolute recent gundam series that barely any time has passed since
>>14118451
>thunderbolt
>underappreciated
You mean overappreciated. The only thing Thundebolt has going for it is the animation and music. Everything that's actually happening is ridiculously rushed, beyond even F91-tier. But if you just want to watch pretty robutts fight, then yes, it's a pretty great series for that.
Best Gundam related thing since build fighters S1 desu
>>14118451
Do i need to watch the previous gundam in order to watch this?
>>14128659
>>14127090
Love you guys <3
>>14132927
You really don't. All you gotta know is that there's a war between the federation and Zeon, and that the federation has a legendary mobile suit called a Gundam.
>>14118516
Sean was best cute
>>14128659
i love you guys
>>14128659
Very cool.
>>14133238
>That moment in episode 1 when you realize he's missin both arms.
>>14118451
The subs are shit.
>>14118954
Go watch 00. The ending is great.
>>14118578
It's what Gundam needed. Thunderbolt and IBO have been what I wanted out of Gundam since the god-awful decision of putting out Seed>00>AGE>GBF. I'm glad that they're making Gundam series I can actually enjoy
It's a nearly perfect stylistic return to what made the earlier gritty UC OVAs great; and it beats them by cutting a lot of the fat that made them not so great. Yet it has a lot of soul of its own.
Pretty much couldn't ask for more, I thought they were basically done making this kind of Gundam until TB came out. Unicorn actually did a good job too (aesthetically), but it was so deep in the timeline and filled with cringey shit in terms of the characters.
>>14134220
>It's a nearly perfect stylistic return to what made the earlier gritty UC OVAs great
How the fuck was 0080 gritty?
>>14134220
>It's a nearly perfect stylistic return to what made the earlier gritty UC OVAs great; and it beats them by cutting a lot of the fat that made them not so grea
What? If anything Thunderbolt lacks what made them work (well at least 0080) and it continues the trend of OVAs by essentially making it impossible for you to care about the characters given their bare bones the characterization is and this is largely by fault of them cutting most of the material from the manga
>>14118451
What is there to talk about? It looks good, but that's all it has going for it.
I don't get you guys saying it's got a bad plot or doesn't have a lot of story. It doesn't have a whole lot of dialogue, or a lot of time to portray it, but it's got very dense visual storytelling. You learn more about the characters through their actions and emotions than through their words, and that's something that I find commendable, and a mark of quality in something like this.
>>14134313
The first episode where Zeon starts gunning feds down and its bloody as shit
>>14134129
The movie was insanity personified though.
>>14134383
0080 is actually gritty in too much of a realistic way that people don't even realize. There aren't many battles but when it happens, lots of casualties on both sides and some named character will die on screen. The isn't much melodrama except the finale between Alex and FZ, everywhere else ended decisive and quick. People just forgot about these because a lot more screen time was spent on Al's perspective off the battle field.
Thunderbolt does suffer from the typical OVA constrains of time so the characters were a little bit underdeveloped. But this is only a problem if you view the original manga being the source material that must be fully conveyed, otherwise the OVA as it is has done a fairly good job to invest the viewer emotionally with the limited time they do have, at least to me I care a lot about Daryl during his passed-out flashback and I haven't seen the manga.
What Thunderbolt did right is this: the recent Gundam series have all been subject to outside factors like the need to sell toys, to pad out for a 26ep season, to fulfill a certain trope for the generic audience. An OVA is supposedly free of those, but even Unicorn suffers due to it being a direct homage that sells to 0079 fags or early UC fags in general. Thunderbolt manages to pass all that, and just focus on telling a story with stunning visuals and intense pace that keep you immersed. To me, this is what Gundam animation is supposed to be about: it is flashy mecha porn, but at the end it still make you ask little questions about life.
>>14134847
> the recent Gundam series have all been subject to outside factors like the need to sell toys, to pad out for a 26ep season, to fulfill a certain trope for the generic audience.
> recent
That's been a problem since at least Zeta, but padding, toy shilling are even fetish insertion have all been there since 0079.
>>14118939
I would say two totally unrelated characters on opposite factions just happen to become rivalries on a battle field is a very accurate description of real wars. Perhaps Thunderbolt does lack the proper screen time to fully develop this in the same vein as say Amuro vs Char, but with as little time as 4 episodes I think they did an amazing job already. Now compare that to character "tensions" in IBO, makes me appreciate Thunderbolt even more so.
>>14118617
I think we're all just burnt out on Gundam. Between G-Reco being funposted to death and IBO being literal trash, you can't talk about anything Gundam without mass stupidity.
>>14134924
>I think we're all just burnt out on Gundam
Speak for yourself.
>>14134929
I agree with him to a certain extent. I still like gundam and will still buy the gunpla (Barbatos is sexy as hell), but it's hard to have a nice, calm chat about gundam.
>>14134847
>But this is only a problem if you view the original manga being the source material that must be fully conveyed
Nah its generally hard to give a fuck about any of the characters or the story due to much much it tries to compress in a given episode, its a common problem most Gundam OVAs suffer from
>>14134850
>That's been a problem since at least Zeta, but padding, toy shilling are even fetish insertion have all been there since 0079.
It has been a problem since 0079, no need to whitewash the original. In any case, the problem is matter of degree not nature. What's happened in the last decade, since after Gundam 00 was to put the toyetic aspects as the fundamental core of Gundam and damn all the little collateral things like (story development, character development, sensible art and animation, good music) etc... Everything has become subordinate to selling gunplas so the life has been sucked out of every Gundam series. They're all cookie cutter now. Seen one, seen them all. Sunrise can make 1, 2 10 Gundam series per year, they can make of 5 episodes, 25 episodes, 50 epidoes it doesn't matter as long as the toy aspects have the utmost relevance over all else. They're all shit. If you're going to watch them just for the action, buy the gunplas and play with them. You'll end up with a better experience. If on the other hand you watch Gundam for the story, the characters etc... well Sunrise has already thrown you under the bus.
>>14134945
>>14134929
When was the last interesting Gundam thread that didn't descent into /v/ tier fun posting?
When was the last /m/ thread that wasn't full of /v/ tier stupidity or /pol/ ebin memes?
>>14118451
It's literally the best animated Gundam since 0079, and it's a damn shame that IBO and 0096 are promoted so loudly, drowning out the jazz.
>>14118579
0083 is so similar in animation quality and fight feeling to thunderbolt. Absolutley watch that asap, you won't be disappointed.
>>14134996
In a less shitty alternate world, the budget and resources from making IBO would instead have been channelled to making Thundebolt more than just a 4 x18 min OVA.
>>14134980
The original Gundam is one of the most toyetic entries in the franchise and has a lot of padding (which is why people like the movies). The problem with the franchise lately isn't that it's toyetic or padded, it's that the entries aren't as good and nothing more.
>>14135010
>Remove IBO
>Remove G-reco
>acquire 26 episodes of thunderbolt
this would have been the better reality
>>14134974
Then like I said, it is the fact that Thunderbolt is a small time manga side story that getting its own OVA is already a miracle, 4 episodes is of course not enough to flesh out much anything meaningful. So to me, with this little space they still tried to capture as much emotion as they could was already an admirable feat. This then answers the OP's question: yes Thunderbolt is under-appreciated because it started out being under-estimated even by its own publisher.
>>14135076
TB is not good for 26 episodes. Maybe 6 full 30 min ones.
>>14134220
>>14134322
What I really like about Thunderbolt is that it lacks a LOT of the dumb Gundam-isms. You know, peace princesses, superpowered Gundams, kids falling into the cockpit, non-lethal KOs and so on.
This is basically Gundam as hard military sci-fi. Or rather, as close to it as you can get. It's very similar to the excellent Dog Life/Dog Style manga, which reignited my interest in Front Mission.
Shit, man. I don't know, but a lot of the most Gundam parts of Gundam seem increasingly silly as I grow older. Like all the shit about possibility and Banagher becoming Jesus in Unicorn was really, really stupid. I just want the final fight to be, you know, a knock-down, drag-out brawl. I don't want one guy to spontaneously give up on living and just go "Yeah, I should probably die."
>>14135062
He actually already pointed out the underlying problem, it is not the specific toy shoveling or any single aspect of the franchise, but the "degree", or I would say the balance of these vs actual story telling which ultimately was what attached Gundam to fans' heart in the first place. Yes 0079 TV did run with a protag samurai vs monster of the week format for the majority of its run, but Tomino made the sparkling points with the little spaces left when there is no fighting. People wouldn't remember the RX-78-2 and the red Zaku the way we do now, if Amuro and Char didn't establish as classic characters themselves.
>>14135108
Actually, 0079 got really good when Tomino had to compress it and it moved away from the monster of the week format.
The last arcs would be unthinkable for anime at that time. For instance, Amuro never meets Gihren (Ostensibly the main villain) and his battle with Char isn't resolved. He ends up being a bit player in a very large war, while he was clearly the hero before.
It really brought out the best in Tomino. In fact, I'll argue that none of his other works are as good.
>>14135114
I never said it wasn't a good show, only that it had lots of toys and filler. Which it does.
>>14135114
As a franchise Gundam clearly grew bigger than he could appreciate and anticipate, and thus we keep seeing him complaining what he made is trash or that Banrise is buttfucking him in the creative process. Likes of Zeta and Vistory apparently wanted to start out saying something different and in some ways more complex than 0079, but the commercial constrains grew proportionally as much as Tomino was given the resources do to anything more.
Ironically it was the OVA or movies that can get the proper screen time ratio to properly engage the audience, but Tomino wasn't heavily involved in those and when he did in CCA, it still became a soup of chaos in the context of pure plot or underlying message (IMO).
>>14135101
Those are mostly AU centric though. This is pretty much a compress version of the shit we get in 0083 and 08th Team minus in plot stupidity. It's incredibly shallow but you can really ask much for OVAs after 0080 set the bar high.
>>14135076
>Remove G-reco
>acquire 26 episodes of thunderbolt
How is this a good thing? Especially when the manga is fucking shit.
>>14135314
Because Tomino's latest idle daydream really wasn't all that people crack it up to be.
>>14135314
The longer reaching 2nd part of the manga is indeed quite shit. In fact I think Thunderbolt as an OVA is better left untouched as it is now, I don't seen those cult bullshit could ever make as much sense, or have as much emotional impact as the A Baoa Qu arc we have now.
>>14135010
I feel that's the same alternate world where Toonami aired 08th in place of Wing, and Gundam exploded in America.
>>14134974
>I need to relate to fictional characters to self-insert waaaahhhh
>the plot is soooo important waaaahhhhh
>>14134847
I think that visually the story did a great job of making me care about cripple boy
>>14135101
>It's very similar to the excellent Dog Life/Dog Style manga, which reignited my interest in Front Mission.
Incidentally, both manga are by the same author.
>>14135902
>>>I need to relate to fictional characters to self-insert waaaahhhh
Io is a very definition of a self-insert
>the plot is soooo important waaaahhhhh
Uh...yeah? You're pretty much saying Thunderbolt is shallow
>>14135916
>Io is a very definition of a self-insert
So he is relatable? Which one is it?
>Uh...yeah? You're pretty much saying Thunderbolt is shallow
No, there are more things to it than just the plot like >>14135904 said.
And even yet, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a work not having much depth.
>>14135314
>Remove G-Reco
How is that not a good thing?
>>14135926
>self-insert
>relatable
Guess Kira is a good character by your dumbass logic
>No, there are more things to it than just the plot like >>14135904 said.
He didn't say anything. You both are retarded
>>14135955
Well if you're not a complete retard like most people who hated it it is.
>>14136005
Here's an example of what I mean.
I felt bad for cripple boy because he's an ordinary guy shoved into a war who loses both his arms and legs. He sees his friends gunned down by the FA gundam and loses his arm to it. Tragically, he becomes obsessed with getting revenge on it.
There's a really touching little moment when someone throws him a drink and he instinctively trys to grab it with his stump. That's what I mean about visual story telling. It emphasises how much utility he's lost in his arm in just a few seconds. The running on the beach thing shows us that his dream like days of child hood will never return, no matter how much he longs for it. He's been reduced to a war machine.
Thunderbolt does more than people give it credit for.
>>14136052
Thunderbolt just casually kills qt Newtype girls to forge another Amuro Ray out of that suffering, Nito.
>>14136005
You've made two claims about two wildly different characters being self-inserts. How broad is your "definition"?
>>14136121
And this relates to the ONA how?
It doesn't. That's what we're discussing, right?
>>14135955
Because I enjoyed G-reco and will fight anyone who wants it erased.
>>14135076
No thanks. 26 episodes will kill thunderbolt. Thunderbolt is best as an OVA series in the likes of Stardust or Pocket.
>>14136052
Thunderbolt made me forgive Sunrise for IBO. It gets right everything that IBO got wrong.
>>14136052
>that webm
That's one of the things I really like about Thunderbolt. Really enjoyed the way the scenes cuts between him trying out the psycho system and flashback.
>>14136722
Yeap, it actually knows how to use show, not tell.
Somewhat a shame it's ended as another scene I'd love to see animated would be the one where Io was performing with Bianca. No need for words, just them playing and it nicely conveys all that needs to be said about the characters' dynamics.
>>14118451
Does anybody have the final episode rip ?
>>14136756
>https://mega.nz/#!h1MgAaAC!XIMyizhd9e0dK_v4DdkionvxwNlTWPiGp55Lbhch0co
Apparently the resolution is 360 though.
>>14136693
I have rewatched the first 2 episodes of thunderbolt so fucking much. I am inclined to agree.
>>14134991
I want to say when Build Fighters came out and was airing, but it's been too long since that and I don't remember.
>>14136797
>https://mega.nz/#!h1MgAaAC!XIMyizhd9e0dK_v4DdkionvxwNlTWPiGp55Lbhch0co
I can't get this to work. It only plays for 22 seconds and file is 1 mb.
>>14136856
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=801307
Try the torrent on nyaa then.
>>14118579
Then stop being a faggot go watch '79 and Zeta and go in production order. The OVAs are all great too.
>>14133238
Is Sean alive? Im reading up on the side story at it says he is he survived the war and works as a bouncer in the desert.
Also why is he so cute
>>14135101
>Banagher becoming newtype-coordinator space Jesus
well done nigga!
my sides are over the rainbow
>>14137076
Sean's defeat is more ambiguous in the manga. Though it is still kind of silly that his escape pod somehow drifted from the Thunderbolt Sector all the way back to Earth. It's supposed to be relatively close to A Bao A Qu
In the Anime Sean is dead as fuck
>>14137331
What the hell? I can't tell if this is multi-layered sarcasm or an actual retard wandered in.
>>14135889
Eh.
Toonami DID show 08th MS. Both on Midnight Run and the afternoons to tag in when they yanked 0079.
It did well enough to merit reruns, but was far from a runaway train success.
I'm not really convinced putting it first in line would really change things that much.
>>14137346
>In the Anime Sean is dead as fuck
o-oh
>>14118509
Thunderbolt good...
>Some shit non newtype gets the fucking powerful gundam that came from nowhere.
>Meanwhile Amuro the top ace was still with his old RX78.
Makes no sense at all.
>>14140256
It's the old game of OYW sidestories - Here's this fucking awesome super badass Gundam that we're going to spend on this side battle of little consequence in order to explain why you never heard of this thing at all during the original series where all the EF brass only ever seemed to acknowledge just the RX-78-2 as Gundams went
>>14140256
>...
Lurk moar
>>14140266
>It's the old game of OYW sidestories - Here's this fucking awesome super badass Gundam that we're going to spend on this side battle of little consequence in order to explain why you never heard of this thing at all during the original series where all the EF brass only ever seemed to acknowledge just the RX-78-2 as Gundams went
+1000
Not worth my time watching it. It's like another fucking zombie zeon uprising/revenge earth federation answer.
>>14140207
I don't think you can write yourself out of this
>>14140256
Thunderbolt at least tries to explain that by taking place in an AU where Amuro and the rest of 0079's main characters never existed.
It's a whole new level of "Fuck it, we just want a story set in the OYW".
>>14141271
>Thunderbolt at least tries to explain that by taking place in an AU where Amuro and the rest of 0079's main characters never existed.
You're retarded. Amuro is never directly mentioned, but his influence on the universe is clear. When the Zeon soldiers see the Gundam from the sniper cam footage for the first time, they freak out because of the Gundam's reputation that Amuro created. The child soldiers that the federation uses in episode 3 are from a newtype institute that tried to recreate the conditions of Amuro's success by sticking a bunch of teenagers in mobile suits and seeing if any of them emerged as a newtype.
>>14125004
that is a heavygun
>>14141282
I never said it used its AU setting very well.
>>14141282
the kids from episode 3 are never stated to be from a newtype institute and even if they are in the manga it is never stated in the anime which has small changes to fit in the UC canon(like the way they changed the gm beam gun to not have epacs since that stuff was created until 0083)
>>14141282
>The child soldiers that the federation uses in episode 3 are from a newtype institute that tried to recreate the conditions of Amuro's success
This wasn't stated.
Therefore it has no bearing on the animation, which is the topic of discussion.
>>14141271
This is never touched on in the animation. You're an idiot.
Anyways, the FAG is just another RX-78 with guns slapped on. It's implied in the show that the Moore Brotherhood essentially bribed their way into possession of the Gundam.
>>14141303
what is the Moore Brotherhood>? are they part of the federation garrison stationed at side 4?
>>14141312
They were part of the ruling elite on Side 4. I assume politicians, businessmen, and other rich influential people.
>>14141312
>are they part of the federation garrison stationed at side 4?
That's what I inferred.
Did you not watch the show? Side 4 is also nicknamed "Moore"
>>14141271
Thats a shame I thought it was rooted deep in the continuity of the original MSG. Oh well. The series is still a hell of a lot of fun if you don't freak out too much about the existence of a second gundam. Hell it doesn't bother me much.
>>14141570
The manga sure ain't.
The ONA's could be fairly easily.
It really doesn't matter at all when considering the animation. Everything is self-contained.
>>14141600
I'm okay with fucking with continuity if the story is good enough/fun enough.
>>14128659
ill cry if u guys can get subs in today.
OST when?
>>14140256
Here's how it works, there's two important pieces of information:
1) Amuro's upgrade was the Alex from 0080. We know what happened to that.
2)The Moore brotherhood who lived in the Thunderbolt sector used their money and influence to get one of the Gundams out on their frontline.
>>14140256
If Amuro for some reason showed up in Thunderbolt directly, his performance would likely fit the work he's in and be more impressive than Daryl in the FA Gundam.
>>14141692
In fact I would go as far as to say, the fact that Thunderbolt derails itself from 0079 canon whenever it feels like is what makes it good. Right now we got the best of both worlds: a UC backdrop of a great war happening that does not need explanation, without the constrains of the usual UC spinoff on the need to stay within continuity while at the same time retconning too many things.
>>14145324
*Io
>>14145450
>In fact I would go as far as to say, the fact that Thunderbolt derails itself from 0079 canon whenever it feels like is what makes it good. Right now we got the best of both worlds: a UC backdrop of a great war happening that does not need explanation, without the constrains of the usual UC spinoff on the need to stay within continuity while at the same time retconning too many things.
Alternate universe or not, it is still the nth OYW side story with Zeon wankfest. It is totally irrelevant to the main story.There comes a time when enough is enough Sunrise. Give us a fucking new setting that has nothing to do with Zeon and Earth Federation. How fucking hard can it be dammit. At this point I simply stopped caring for the UC timeline and certinaly ain't gonna spend $ on it. Sunrise give us something new and original.
>>14145506
>How fucking hard can it be dammit.
Very, unless you hate money. As long as the fans still clamour for more early UC, that's what you'll keep getting. And the current gen of UC fags aren't dying any time soon.
>>14145506
>give us a new setting
They did that with IBO and G-Reco
Opinions are mixed on both of those though.
>>14118451
Depends on if you count Green Divers or the SEED Astray shorts.
>>14145506
>us
Your 'us' isn't part of the majority that still can't let go of more OYW/Zeon uprising.
>>14145590
>They did that with IBO and G-RecoOpinions are mixed on both of those though.
G-Recko suffered from typical Tominoisms (let Tomino come up with ideas but don't let him anywhere near the directorial chair. He's like George Lucas. Great idea man, shit director).
As for IBO, Sunrise didn't even try. Lets be serious here, Banrise threw a bunch of 5 year olds and told them to shit out something, anything having a mecha. Hence IBO.
Between the two there is no contest, G-Recko is the more polished product, even considering the pacing problems it has.
If I were in charge, I'd see who was in charge of Seed and Gundam 00 and let them come up with a new series. And yeah 1 Gundam series every 2 years at the most. It's the only way to get a quality product. Sunrise should fucking diversify because right now they have all their eggs in the Gundam basket. And it's the main reason we get one shit series after the other.
>>14145506
I understand the distaste in getting more UC shoveling, but it is a named franchise, what else do you expect when the original series has been expanded so richly and is still loved? If there is very little or even no thematic or even just aesthetic tradition sticking to it, it should be probably called something else.
And I literally just pointed out the benefit of sticking to the universe setting but slightly derail to get a good narrative. IBO for instance, fits your bill of "something new and original" in is premise setting, and now look how it went. So the answer to your question is: yes, it is indeed fucking hard for Sunrise to come up with something original while not fucking it up.
>>14136797
https://mega.nz/#!jEZUwBAQ!aRSIJ2nslEdVx23cJ_Ri4c5sCc51DxDyeCUY1v1xR-I
this one has good quality
>>14145723
>As for IBO, Sunrise didn't even try.
>>14145829
>>14145723
>If I were in charge, I'd see who was in charge of Seed and Gundam 00 and let them come up with a new series.
I like both SEED (and Destiny) and 00, and I don't think they could catch lightning in a bottle so easily. They just need to pace themselves better. They don't need multiple shows running at once with more starting every year.
>>14146122
>They don't need multiple shows running at once with more starting every year.
This, this, 1000 times this.
>>14146143
>>14146122
I just really want Sunrise/Bandai to give it a rest for a year or two, maybe even three. No OVAs, no TV series, nothing. Maybe ramp up gunpla releases, get some older designs that don't have any kits out yet out there. Spend more money remastering 0080 and X so they look great instead of just having it as a side project.
We genuinely have enough Gundam right now, especially now that we've gotten so many recently, that we don't need anything new right now.
After a short break without any new content, I'd like to see them come back with a WELL-PLANNED (e.g. something that wasn't obviously fucked in development like IBO and Destiny) preferably AU series, or Late UC. Also preferably by their main studio, with good staff. Not the shitty team that gave us IBO S1 and probably will give us IBO S2. Maybe around 2019, for the 40th anniversary.
>>14145506
>At this point I simply stopped caring for the UC timeline and certinaly ain't gonna spend $ on it
Please tell that to all the nips that keep buying RX78 and Zaku variants. They are catering to people buying their shit. Why would they cater to people who don't buy their shit?
>>14146160
>Late UC
Which we're never getting ever because executives are too afraid of moving out of their comfort zone.
>>14145723
>G-Recko suffered from typical Tominoisms
Found the retard
>>14146244
Which leaves us with an AU.
M-Maybe next time they'll make one that attracts new fans by deviating from common Gundam tropes but not enough to alienate fans of those tropes, and have designs that are unique yet still attractive to gunpla builders, new and old, and a story not written by a complete and utter talentless hack and directed by a similarly talentless hack?
Right?
Surely they'll have learned from the last 10 years of AUs and more UC adaptations, right?
>>14146252
Well, the thing is, that's the problem.
Almost every Gundam story ever put to animation, with a handful of exceptions, is essentially retreading Early UC and dolling up the Feds and Zeeks in different clothes. The only exceptions that immediately spring to mind are G, Wing, 00 and G-Reco, maybe IBO. I would say X, but the post-apoc setting just seems to be window dressing for another retread.
So you're gonna have to put effort into it, I guess.
Hurts, too, because more Late UC with a story that isn't tied to goddamn Zeon would be great.
>>14146160
That's not economical. I agree that they should let the TV series rest for two years and focus on other shit (mainly planning) but they have to be working on SOMETHING. Nothing wrong with an OVA running as long as it is released over the course of 18-24 months. But letting Gundam rest would hurt their sales a ton. You can't release new kits without a design source and people want something relevant. Imagine the rate they'd be going at if they weren't releasing any Origin, Discovery, or IBO kits (and they aren't going to release gunpla of stuff nobody has paid attention to in 20 years so don't think your favorite forgotten design will suddenly get plastic.) Sunrise is a massive company and can handle both at once without any drop in quality for either project.
The problem is that people will buy new Gundam shit no matter what, which means that releasing 2 shows in 2 years, each with only 8 months of planning and minimal money spent on the production team will bring in way more profit than a single show with 24 months of planning and actually putting in effort. Why take the chance of another AGE?
>>14146263
>Wing
>Not a UC retread.
>Earth vs Colonies.
>A masked man with a secret past living under an assumed name on the enemies side with a secret sister.
>The model number of the mass proction unit (Leo) is a direct reference to the Zaku II.
>Action that led to current situation was the assassination of a major political figure in the colonies.
>Final battle involves a colony laser and the destruction of the colony during a battle between the MC and the masked man in a red MS with a section of the structure breaking off and almost hitting earth before being stopped by the MC.
>Original plan for operation meteor was a colony drop.
It was OYW mixed with CCA.
>>14146342
Well, concession made and it narrows the outliers down then.
>>14145506
>Zeon wankfest
Feddie here. Nothing in the show gives that impression. The Zeeks are all awful and aren't even whole persons.
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_07.42_[2016.04.23_00.58.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/F9zAx8W.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_07.42_[2016.04.23_00.58.30].jpg")
Zeek pride, everyone.
Great episode this time, loved the good ol' fashioned "we're not so different you and I" from the end of the episode.
Still don't understand why Io didn't just shove the beam saber down after hitting the head, main camera getting destroyed shouldn't have broke all his systems.
>>14145207
Start cryin'.
>>14128659
Just saw it and thanks a lot guys, it looked pretty good.
So should I read Thunderbolt? I found the grittiness to be entertaining, wondering if the whole manga is like that. Plot is also interadesting.
If so, who does the best translations, since I don't think official ones exist
>>14148218
They're up on Zeonic Scanlations.
just finished watching episode 4 with fucking chinese subs
can't wait for someone to release the hd version and with english so I know what the hell people are saying
also does anyone know the awesome music that plays when Daryl exits the zaku and Io sees that he has peg legs and arms. that music is literally sex
>>14148272
>[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [720p]
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
![[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_06.44_[2016.04.23_00.04.37].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nngaBif.jpg "[Manko] Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt - 04 [7DA8CA89].mkv_snapshot_06.44_[2016.04.23_00.04.37].jpg")
Did anyone else think the GM was going to squish her?
At last Guntard destroyed.
>>14148301
Now that I think about it's surprising that we don't see someone die by getting squished or stepped on by a mobile suit in all of Gundam.
what happened to the blue gms? in episode 3 when the zeon fleet is attacked we see gms and balls attacking the musias
then in episode 4 we only have Io in the FAG and like 30 12 year olds piloting gm cannons, guncannons and balls
there was no MS defending the federation fleet
>>14148321
Didn't that happen to Kayra in CCA?
>>14148329
No, Gyunei shook her. The whiplash snapped her neck.
>>14148321
That vulture girl from the episode of Gundam X where the satellite cannon was used the first time was crushed inside her cockpit by other vulture salvagers.
MS Igloo 2 episode 1 implies that the guy was stepped on by the Zaku.
Scirocco's lower body was crushed by the Zeta, but he died in the The-O's explosion.
>>14148321
You might see it in IBO S2 but I wouldn't hold my breath.
>>14146342
>>Action that led to current situation was the assassination of a major political figure in the colonies.
So WWI
>>14148228
Chapter 1 was taken down from mediafire apparently, or if it is up I can't find it
>>14134924
Both were literal trash and so was BF S2.
>unicorn TV series is also gonna be trash
>>14148789
https://mega.nz/#F!T840TKCB!Uo6aIpWv7OuOaaG67Z18lA
>>14148607
Political and military intrigue was nothing new even by WWI, but the original gundam pretty much pioneered it as far as anime is concerned.
>>14134924
>I think we're all just burnt out on Gundam.
Speak for yourself. A series a year is normal for a franchise. This 4 episode ONA thing is just icing on the cake. I want to ride this gundam train as far as it goes. I hope theres another gundam series in the works next year after iron blood finishes.
始まっても今のスタッフではオリジナルは無理だと思います
>>14149443
Dude.. that ending..what volume picks up after the ova leaves off? And where can I read it?
>>14147374
I guess it's because its that 'if I kill you, I will have no other equal to make me feel alive.' thing.
>>14147374
because he's dumb
he had him dead to rights but threw a tantrum instead
>>14149034
Bitching anon. I appreciate the spoonfeed.
>>14147099
Found butthurt Iofags
>Zeon are all awfull and incomplete
>Then the grorious gundam and whole fleet get rekt by mismatched zaku piloted by cripled, quad amputee.
Cry moar
>>14149462
Holy shit
Thats like a saturday villain of power ranger or something.
>>14147374
He missed. He was going to shiv him, but he got hit by the RPG.
>>14118509
>> /m/really likes the series
How can you tell? Nobody's calling it shit.
>>14150741
>How can you tell?
Well, like I said, just a guess, but it's got beautiful pew-pews, it's UC, and it's generally lite fare (which isn't a comment on the quality) so it's hard for shitposters to go after its supposed "depth." As for it's lack of depth, nobody can go after it successfully because it's not about that, it's just a small story set against a bigger backdrop, why make it anything bigger than that.
It's a cash-in, and everyone is aware, so harping on that doesn't make much difference, but at least it looks damned good. In a sense, it's an honest cash grab, and that comes through in how well it's animated. /m/ (at least pretends) to like that sorta shit.
>>14150804
While we all see Ban-rise as a cash grabber one way or another basing on their recent practices, but in the case of Thunderbolt the end product turning itself out with decent enough quality and care that it actually is hard for even UC haters to categorize it in the same league as IBO or Unicorn TV. End of the day, I think only the most die hard Gundam fans would be unable to step outside and look at the franchise as nothing more than paid entertainment, the way that Thunderbolt is being honest and just delivery that is what Gundam is supposed to be about anyway.
>>14145506
>Zeon wankfest
Which is no series in Gundam EVER except for the first two MS IGLOOs. Thunderbolt was yet another Feddie Wank.
>>14151020
But the Feddies actually did "lose" this campaign.
>>14151027
>Focus a vast majority of the series on Io and the other Feddies to show what hardships they have to deal with
>Barely give any time to Dayrl and his group
>He, the Dom pilot and the scientist girl are the only survivors of the Zeon sniper fleet.
>Meanwhile Io and his butt buddy make it out alive with a bunch of other Feddies.
It was a Feddie wank.
>>14151027
Nobody really wins in Thunderbolt. Feds get wiped but Zeon is rendered combat ineffective and has to retreat from the sector all the way back to A Bao A Qu where they will lose
>>14151042
They showed plenty of thee Zeek's problems. Did you just zone out?
I say this as massive Feddiefag.
Small number of Zeeks decimate disproportionate numbers of Feddies.
A half man completely pushes Jazzbros shit in.
I don't think it was Zeek wank, but it sure as hell wasn't Feddie dickriding.
>>14151086
That's why I typed
>"lose"
Please try and keep up.
>>14147374
The RPG knocks them both out. At least in the manga, Io says he only has a limited number minutes left on the beam saber
>>14151098
>Plenty of Zeon's problems
It was all about Daryl and his thing with the Doctor. They didn't elaborate on any of Daryl's wingmen or crewmates like Io got. Absolutely disgusting.
>>14149034
Is mega acting up for anybody else?
Keeps getting stuck at 98 percent
We cant have memorable characters or a good story, so we need something like amputees and people getting vaporized by a beam saber blade so that it stays somewhat memorable
ESLs really need to learn how to type.
