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Was it better than IBO?
>>14142606
no, but ibo wasn't better
>>14142606
Vastly.
>>14142606
I enjoyed G reco a lot more.
>>14142606
Can't say for the story since I dropped both shows, but G-Reco had much better production values.
>>14142606
IBO had an actual story and plot.
G-Reco was a series of scenes happening after one another, and no payoff at the end.
G-Reco was shit. IBO, despite you liking it or not, was actually competently directed.
So no, G-Reco was not better.
Despite it's glaring flaws I was still able to watch & enjoy G-Reco. IBO bored me too much to want to watch.
>>14142606
Season 2 fucking when?
>>14142665
Hopefully never. Don't think I could stand another 20 episodes of "Nothing of real importance happens: the show"
>>14142672
But IBO s2 has already been confirmed.
>>14142658
>>14142672
Absolute retards confirmed.
>>14142690
Pretty sure IBO actually had payoff at the end, anon.
Something I wish Greco had, but didn't. Because Tomino is in his Lucas Prequel era creatively
>>14142702
Stay Mad, G-Cuck.
>>14142702
Sorry, lemme redo that part.
"G-Cucko".
>>14142658
I mostly agree.
I liked G-Reco and IBO, but G-Reco had a lot of pointless shit while IBO had something of a slow moving plot. However, G-Reco gave us Aida, which is better than Kudelia Aina Bernstein.
>>14142704
>Pretty sure IBO actually had payoff at the end, anon.
Yeah, all those people getting killed by Ein... oh, wait.
>>14142704
>>14142705
>cuck
G-Reco is shit, but kill yourself.
If gundams were people G-Self would be the homosexual.
>>14142731
G-Wrecuck detected
Can't fool me
can't wait for you to be re-cucked when your shitty compilation movie is shitted out
>>14142724
>inferior fluff
>dumb salmon hair
>smaller tits
>never acknowledges her glaring uselessness
>SHE'S HIS SISTER, DUDE!
>slut for older men
Kudelia is a low bar to set, but still much better.
>>14142606
Both shows are garbage. I like the G-Self though.
I want ANN to take it's IBO dick riders back.
>>14142741
Just stop. You should feel bad for posting that.
Rager thread?
>>14142606
Nah
It's better than AGE or SEED Destiny at least.
>>14142725
Ein deserved to fail for being a pathetic cunt.
>>14142746
>>never acknowledges her glaring uselessness
Confirmed for not watching the anime.
>>14142606
By some universe margin.
G-Reco while shit actually got a reaction out of me, IBO was just dull.
>>14142606
If you're not a retard or from ANN, very much so
>>14142606
For me it was more interesting than IBO.
More enjoyable as well.
IBO was just shit. Honestly even A/Z got a better reaction from me than IBO and i hated A/Z with passion.
>>14142606
Without a doubt.
I don't think there's been a decent Gundam anime since 00. Maybe a brief period of enjoyment with GBF but that's more of a spinoff thing and I don't count it. Ever since 00 ended they've ranged from boring to shit and not fun to talk about at all.
>>14142606
No. Ibo was just a bad tv show.
G-reco is a book some retard decided to "animate". That's even worse.
We can all agree that G-Reco pretty much destroyed this board though right?
>>14142606
By virtue of having stuff be happening each episodes and pictures that moves it was better. I was also excited to see what would happen by the end of greco as stuff built up, not bored out my mind and more interested in the paper thin villains like IBO
Also better MC, people only like Mika for being edgy but I'm pretty sure Bellri killed the same amount if not more and he wasn't even trying to.
>>14142862
Oh yeah, even as a fan of it, it's fucked it up. Damage won't be undone for awhile.
Both sides are insufferable for the most part due to a few vocal shitters.
>>14142870
>and he wasn't even trying to.
Absolute madman.
>>14142862
Without a doubt as well.
>>14142870
Mika was a poor man's Setsuna.
>>14142878
He was
>>14142880
I'd say he was a poor man's Heero, and I don't think highly of Heero
>>14142870
I agree.
>>14142877
>Damage won't be undone for awhile.
It will never be undone
Every time you see a response to a negative opinion of it being that the person is dumb or "stick to A/Z faggot", that sets the board back another two months
What if Barara lived in IBO timeline?
Do you think she would rule everything and everyone?
>>14142896
>Every time you see a response to a negative opinion of it being that the person is dumb or "stick to A/Z faggot"
And every time you see a response to a positive opinion of it being that the person is a G-Cuck and should stop sucking Tomino's dick.
![Gundam G no Reconguista - 17 (BD 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_06.34_[2016.01.31_22.20.50].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/R5l5nFH.jpg "Gundam G no Reconguista - 17 (BD 1280x720 x264 AAC).mp4_snapshot_06.34_[2016.01.31_22.20.50].jpg")
>>14142901
She was sort of competent and actually did stuff.
so she'd kill everyone before you could said family
>>14142606
>Was it better than IBO?
Yes. On all levels. But IBO is so shit that saying G-Recko is good is really not saying very much.
Animation -> G-Recko wins
Art variety in backgrounds and detailed foreground -> G-Recko wins
World building -> G-Recko wins (if you can hang on to typical Tominoisms).
Character development -> I will say G-Recko betrayed the best character who ended up being a useless thing. That is G-Recko's greatest crime.
Atmosphere -> G-Recko wins
>>14142922
And then there's this fucking cuck
>>14142916
>best character who ended up being a useless thing
But Noredo managed to be the nuggiest
>no Klim
>no Mick
IBO is worse by default.
>>14142937
>little events on the background are more animated and expressive than a whole IBO episode
Every time.
>>14142907
No, that doesn't happen nearly as often. Half the time at best. Because rabid haters of G-Reco aren't enough to be a thing or memetic, rabid defenders are.
But hey, but all means play the "they're just as bad" card if that makes you feel better.
>>14142934
>But Noredo managed to be the nuggiest
I wasn't talking about Noredo. The problem is how Tomino simply killed Aida before mid season for no fucking reason at all. He said he had forgotten about her character development.
>>14142962
>He said he had forgotten about her character development.
She gets most of it after Towasanga, which is probably even more than Bellri, considered her initial goal.
And it is not like any character from IBO got a better arc or development.
If you look at Kudelia, she stopped being a character after Fumitan's death. No development or anything, at least Aida had to face something, like her father's death, until the very end.
Her story could have certainly been handled well, but it is still far better and interesting than most of what we get from many Gundams.
>>14142962
>He said he had forgotten about her character development.
When? Mid season/venus globe is when she gets 90% of her development, becoming a good nee-san and not just acting to prove herself for her dad (and the belief instilled in her) but on what she thinks is right
The real problem was her in the last few episodes when her being out in a suit became pretty pointless and she should have just got full pirate queen. At least her last scene suggest she finally has somewhat so I'll take it.
>>14142927
Well good to know that all the shitposting lately is from /v/ or /tv/ rejects
>>14142980
>handled well
*handled better
>>14142813
Ein was the strongest character in the damn show despite being a total 1 dimensional character.
>>14142937
>>14142947
Does someone have the gif of Barara stretching?
>>14142949
>No, that doesn't happen nearly as often.
Cool bullshit bro
>>14143014
It is always a pleasure to watch these little moments.
>>14142606
If you aren't a retarded Tominofag, no. Pretty much everyone outside of /m/ thinks the show was pure garbage, and for a good reason. IBO on the other hand its pretty popular both in the West ad Japan (friendly reminder that not even 2ch like G-Reco).
IBO was another forgettable mediocre, G-Reco was garbage.
>>14142949
>No, that doesn't happen nearly as often. Half the time at best
Why are G-Reco haters such bad liars?
>But hey, but all means play the "they're just as bad" card if that makes you feel better.
Nah, ANN, MAL, reddit and Otaking are strong enough evidence to prove how retarded G-Reco haters are.
>>14143029
>it's popular so that means its good
IBOfags ladies and gents
SEED is better than IBO
>>14143031
>if you don't like my favorite show, that was pretty bad by the way, you're a rabid hater
Why are G-Rektads so retarded?
>>14143027
I really hope we get to see her again,and she tries to ss the new mc
>>14143032
>most people thinks a show is enjoyable
>you don't
Yeah, I'm sure everyone else is wrong and you're the only person in the world who is right! Enlighten us, wise anon.
>>14143040
How much of a fucking tool are you to base the quality of a show on how many teenagers like it?
>>14143035
>>14143040
Here's your (you)
>>14143044
This is a fucking toy commercial, not art. If the show manages to be entertaining and enjoyable, then it's good and it's fulfilling its purpose.
But I bet you believe that G-Reco is an underrated masterpiece despite pretty much everyone thinking that is shit. The show is too good to be appreciated by the masses and is wasted on the average viewer, right?
>>14143031
>I don't know what rabid means
I can show you dozens of examples from the archive of people people criticizing and praising certain aspects of G-Reco in the same post, and as a result getting insulted for saying G-Reco can have flaws. Can you do the same for G-Reco haters? Shit, I can even bring you examples from the archive of people admitting they've never watched G-Reco but will insult anyone who criticizes it because that's the meme.
>>14143058
>>14143029
>If the show manages to be entertaining and enjoyable
It's too bad you didn't find it entertaining and enjoyable then.
G-Reco has fantastic characters that don't act like they're reading off of scripts, fantastic animation both in the fore and background (particularly in the gesticulation, which is fairly uncommon in most animated shows), fantastic character interactions that are nuanced to the point where people with varying agendas can play off of each other without resorting to plot-induced blindness. And worldbuilding.
I'm sure not everyone enjoys a /m/echa show that takes the time to show resupplying operations like going to buy chickens or cooking with onions or how to grow hemp in colonies or debris collection in space or crash courses in interplanetary ship and crew maintenance, but all of this gives the world much more versilimitude than other shows that just work off the viewer's assumptions.
In fact, that's G-Reco's greatest strength. Many of its ideas are variations of real world historical trends and precedence, but from an outsider's perspective they look wierd or even ridiculous; it's a reflection of our own social mores.
>>14143087
>Can you do the same for G-Reco haters?
yes. In this very fucking thread.
>>14143058
Glad you average
>>14143029
> IBO
> Popular in Japan
Dude, they were mocking it because of how shit it's ratings were. Late night anime (including G-Reco) were beating it despite IBO being on primetime. You'd see stuff like "they have to make a show about five prettyboy pilots in order to save Gundam" because IBO was doing so poorly.
>>14143112
>G-Reco has fantastic characters that don't act like they're reading off of scripts, fantastic animation both in the fore and background (particularly in the gesticulation, which is fairly uncommon in most animated shows), fantastic character interactions that are nuanced to the point where people with varying agendas can play off of each other without resorting to plot-induced blindness. And worldbuilding.
The best part was Tomino's trolling
>Masked character shows up for the first time
>every girl if fired up
>only his girlfriend calls him lame
>>14143117
>yes. In this very fucking thread.
I read through the whole thread, every single "g-cuck" post was directed at someone doing the "you don't think G-Reco is perfect therefore you're a retard" meme.
>>14143112
>without resorting to plot-induced blindness
I wouldn't phrase it quite like that. Characters often have little idea what is going on, but it is reasonable as if some guy in a mask keeps attacking you screaming about his prido you really won't get what he is about and want him to fuck off. I think what it does better is no moment is their the plinkett moment of is that the script? Tomino's weirdness has a sort of horseshoe effect where it can warp around to being how normal people act, overly emotional and often not really listening to each other
>but all of this gives the world much more versilimitude than other shows that just work off the viewer's assumptions.
I think this is why a lot of people didn't like it. They want the same story and tropes with the most that changes is this time the blue hair is a tsundere and the loli has drills. Something that can be watched in a small window while you update tumblr and even after looking away for 10 minutes know exactly what is going on. The only time they seem to like surprises is when it is something 100% out of left field that shits on the first part of the story, but is still just the same tropes they like. I can understand someone mixing up capital guard and capital army, but people seem unable to process it when the story clearly shows they are different groups and then just blames the show.
If greco taught me anything it is that most people are not very observant at all
>>14143123
G reco consistently had lower ratings than ibo.
>>14143221
>>14143226
Episode 20
G-Reco 2.0%
IBO 1.2%
>>14143238
I take it the % is a drop off in viewers?
Sorry I'm stupid when it comes to ratings shit, I was just wondering if you had an actual source and I got BTFO'd.
>>14142962
>He said he had forgotten about her character development.
This was to do with Cahill and her relationship with him. The staff insisted that she remain your usual pure virginal anime girl so tomino dropped that aspect of her story. thats what he was referring too
>>14143221
>>14143238
Kek
Nips are making fun of IBO's last episode for having lower rating than G-Reco's.
1.8 vs 2.2.
And G-Reco overall got a 1.8 airing at 2 AM.
>>14143238
> consistent
> quotes one episode
>>14143245
>I take it the % is a drop off in viewers?
It is not a drop, it is something like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
We do all agree that Aida > Kudelia right?
>>14143255
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_ratings
So Greco had higher ratings?
>>14143274
For some episodes yes.
>>14143238
how much for Unicorn TV?
>>14143250
> And G-Reco overall got a 1.8 airing at 2 AM.
And that's the really sad part. IBO got a hell of a lot more promotion by Bandai and aired in one of the best timeslots. By that fact alone it should have higher ratings but by the end, it was getting lower numbers than the show they threw on in the middle of the night. People just stopped giving a shit about the show and tuned out.
And let's not forget, there was that poll that showed out of 500 people interviewed 54.2% thought G-Reco was the better series.
>>14143274
IBO had a better start that kept the average higher, nut by the end they were either on par with Reco or lower. And as mentioned, IBO aired primetime Sunday while G-Reco aired in the middle of the night.
>>14143288
>And let's not forget, there was that poll that showed out of 500 people interviewed 54.2% thought G-Reco was the better series.
http://yaraon-blog.com/archives/80687
http://buzz-plus.com/article/2016/03/14/gundam-tekketsu/
before anyone asks for the source
>>14142901
Fucking loved Barara. Also loved the cynical way Tomino killed her off.
>>14143250
Can we get a source for the last episode rating or is it the usual projecting?
>>14143348
she lived!
>>14143357
Last 2ch thread about Gundam ratings.
>>14143029
>Pretty much everyone outside of /m/ thinks the show was pure garbage, and for a good reason
That reason being that everyone outside of /m/ are either 12 years old, braindead or both.
>>14143374
Holy shit
>>14143371
If you say so man.
>>14143287
1.9
>>14143401
I know you just want to be spoonfed
http://echo.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/shar/1459949920/
>>14142606
>>14143414
Not same guy but do you have a >>14143238 style chart for greco/ a full one of IBO
I'd like to compare all the episodes
>>14143442
>I'd like to compare all the episodes
You have to check older threads.
First post in the thread has a link to the previous thread, click until you reach a thread old enough for G-Reco to be still airing and look for the post.
Try Ctrl+f-ing this line to make it quicker
> 世帯 個人 KID TEN M1 M2 M3 F1 F2 F3
señor joe!
>>14143303
>>14143238
The numbers don't lie...
And they spell disaster for IBO at S2.
>>14143497
There is one flaw in the chart in that people could like both. But whatever way you twist it the show they put a huge amount of push behind having at all similar numbers to the one thrown at a 2am slot is not the outcome sunrise wanted
It also surprises me as I though the otaku audience would get behind IBO, but I guess the slowness was too much for them as well. Plus everyone seemed to expect big happenings that just never appeared
>And they spell disaster for IBO at S2.
I honestly do not think it will be a full season, especially for such an expensive time slot the show can't justify it unless the kits have done stupidly well. Better than bf well
>>14143112
>G-Reco has fantastic characters that don't act like they're reading off of scripts
How can you say this when they are act like generic autistic Tomino-programmed machines?
>>14143497
Final Average: 2.25%. Just for comparison
> AGE Gen 1: 3.22%
> AGE Gen 2: 2.33%
> AGE Gen 3: 2.25%
> AGE Combined Generation: 2.23%
> AGE Average: 2.56%
Anyone who says IBO is better are obviously aren't real /m/en and are just dumb cross-posters.
>>14143415
Bravo Tomino
>>14142658
>IBO had an actual story and plot.
so poorly done that your brain was melting
>>14142606
When G-Reco was airing I was excited to watch each episode as it came out. With IBO I dropped it at episode 7 after loosing interest. Maybe IBO picked up later, I don't know.
>>14144397
I was this way with G-Reco, though I'm gonna go back and try again since I love the way it looks. At first look, G-Reco looks amazing and IBO is kinda ugly outside of the mecha. I like the mecha in both.
>>14142606
I don't care what happens in s2 of IBO since I felt the ending was content enough for the run of the mill misery porn.
I wish there were a season2 for G-Reco.It was doing different thning than previous shows.
It says a lot about both IBO and G-Reco that all either side can do is shitpost at the other.
>>14142724
>pointless shit
Name it
>>14144397
It didn't pick up. In fact you saw at least half of the fighting.
>>14142606
IBO > All gundam series combined.
>High tv ratings
> top MC 2016
>Popular in both Japan and West. It's the talk of the town.
>Highest selling kits
>Not to mention countless thread you see here in /m/
No other Gundam series have come this far.
>>14144815
>Cumpa's stupid death
>Klim Nick's patricide
>Backpack shill for each week
>Latina captain suddenly turns insane
And many more
>>14142606
I dropped IBO, because of how plain boring it was, but I can't imagine myself actually enjoying G-reco
>>14144851
Weak shitpost, already debunked in this thread. 2/10. Improve your game son.
Or, if you believe in this crap, then I guess AGE had high TV ratings as well.
>>14142746
>SHE'S HIS SISTER, DUDE!
That's what makes it hot, you silly
>Recksnow is just a literal game of Simon
>Yggdrasil is a fucking triangle
>Villain is a jobber whose only motivated by being a made up minority
>Space garbage episode
>let's make everyone jog, people will love watching that
>Nothing really changes in the end
I haven't seen IBO, and I don't really care about that aspect of this thread, but can you guys please stop defending G-Reco?
>>14145002
>let's make everyone jog, people will love watching that
Wait, did you actually not like the space etiquitte 101 episode? It was great. Fuck, it's almost like this board is full of people who don't enjoy speculative science.
http://zasshi.news.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20160330-00010006-otapolz-ent
>IBO universally recognized that as having a number of episodes with curiously low ratings, as if
>however, made up through strong plamo and Blu-Ray sales according to amazon.jp
Unicorn RE:96 Episode 1 didn't do so hot.
*1.9 *1.1 *2.2 *1.0 *1.9 *2.3 *0.6 *0.4 *1.1 *0.4
It's really just starting to look like no one watches Gundam anymore on TV. Kids don't give a shit. Only Gunota are watching it.
Which leads to the other discussion that's happening on 2ch which is who the fuck is watching and how are people knowing about it? Everyone's agreeing the level of sales and performance of recent titles aren't matching what's actually happening. Everyone knows Build Fighters and Build Fighters Try sold a TON of gunpla, and yet by ratings alone it looked like no one was watching it.
>>14144852
All those things were great though.
Cumpa's death was a classic anti-climax character death that Tomino does to remind you that wars aren't planned dramas, but chaotic messes. He did the same thing to Jerid in Zeta.
Klim Nick's patricide was just him being a boss and showing the old generation not to fuck with the youth.
The Backpack's made for pretty and varied battles.
And you would turn insane grief if your teenaged boy lover died as well.
>>14142606
It is a Tomino's show, what u expect?
>>14145024
>is confused that toy sales and ratings don't match up
If every kit I built was built because I actually watched the show half my shit would not be there
>>14145115
>And you would turn insane grief if your teenaged boy lover died as well.
There's other fish in the sea for a reason.
And the people that hate Cumpa's death, well, disregarding the quality of his villainous status, some just hate it because of how contrived it is.
>Okay, let's kill this character by having him just so happen to get hit by a jet which just so happens to be kicked by a mobile suit that just so happens to be there that just so happens to kick the jet for whatever reason that just so happens to force Cumpa down this crevasse that just so happens to be there as well.
>>14143258
That's not even a contest
>>14143497
Or a massive retooling that hopefully makes it less fucking boring and brainless. The worst part about IBO is how it started off with an interesting premise but managed to go fucking nowhere with any of it, and seemed to cop out on half of anything that actually happened. And that's without getting into long lost siblings being pulled out of various asses, that was some real bullshit.
>>14142606
Soo......
What is it, round 230th of IBuck vs G-Retord autist battle?
Damn, this whole board become /v/ level shithole in just overnight.
It makes afterdrop Sydney a fucking paradise.
>>14145160
Cumpa and Wilmit were near the jet for almost all the battle, it's not like it materialized there for plot convenience.
Thread Reminder that Colonel Cumpa Rusita / Piani Kulita are one the based villain in gundam and even with his death his legacy will continue to live on as humankind has finally taste the fruit of battle.
>Purposely spread the sacred blueprint to the Moon race hoping them to break the taboo
>Justify the Capital Army armament by saying Moon race were prepare for war thus enabling earthling to break the taboo too
>Cumpa faction on Venus Globe also has been preparing and creating state of the art MS for the Reconguista plan
>Uses Capital Tower Energy monopoly to further empower the Earth war machine
>Create pure conflict not out for personal desire but to teach mankind how to war and lived at the edge of their lives instead of peace hippy tree hugging faggots
>>14145024
>strong plamo and Blu-Ray sales
gunpla I can believe, but weren't the disk sales also only slightly above greco's?
>>14142606
Absolutely not. But G reco wasn't unwatchable though.
>>14145024
>Unicorn RE:96 Episode 1 didn't do so hot.
everyone have already watched this
>>14145236
But it was all in the way it was executed. If only They took like 50 to 100 episodes to really flesh out and pace out the story and characters but its just a rushed mess no matter how well motivated some of the characters were the pay off battle at the end just had no time to be an actual war and in the end was over before it was done with.
>>14145350
>But it was all in the way it was executed. If only They took like 50 to 100 episodes
You didn't explain why that was needed
Everything we needed to know about him was there, we didn't need 50 episodes of him monologuing about how his evil plan is so evil and here is what it is again. We got enough scenes of him trying to push people and events certain ways but the show also made it clear he wasn't really as in control as he thought making fun of the machiavellian archetype.
>>14142606
No.
>>14142922
more like MAHQ
>>14145369
I did though. There was a HUGE cast of characters introduced about half way through the series and 90% of them got side lined because plot. If they had any hope of salvaging the plot the final part of the series should have lasted a lot longer. I get there was budget restraints and at about episode 19 tomino remembered there really wasn't much of a plot but I could see this being something amazing had he actually been given a real budget a number more episodes.
I agree though that the higher ups did get fleshed out well enough but I just wish that the rest of the story got equal attention. I mean I hate how vague each of the factions were. Where were they from? Are they all from colonies? Distant planets? All the detailed sci fi space travel stuff just left me wanting more of this super far into the future UC era.
>>14145414
>There was a HUGE cast of characters introduced about half way through the series and 90% of them got side lined because plot.
Not every character in a story needs to go through huge life changing development. Too many modern animes try to have so much of the cast go through huge things and then they end up having some half arsed terrible sub plot. Your image is a good example, KoS gets caught up in bollocks drama that it has to straight up drop characters for 20 chapter stretches and it means the ending just comes out of no where and sucks. Kerbes didn't get a lot of development, but he didn't need to as he was a side character and because they didn't force in some bollocks like a dead brother they can just have him be an entertaining character.
> If they had any hope of salvaging the plot the final part
What was so wrong in needed salvaged?
> I mean I hate how vague each of the factions were. Where were they from? Are they all from colonies? Distant planets?
This was all very clear. Amerian army are from, Amerian. The Capital army are from, the Capital territory. Dorette fleet come from the moon and it is that bit where everyone shouts hey there are space people coming from the moon. You sound like you are just trying to find faults
>>14142606
G-reco was great fun, IBO was pure shit
It's pretty interesting how Tomino went for a 'natural acting' approach, except he used it in a story where everything was camped up to 11 in a world where most modern fiction wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole. It'd be no different than if he tried that approach and was responsible for writing the next season of Adventure Time. Even if you pick everything up and don't get lost on the way, the impact of the subtleties and nuances is basically nil because this kinda world and these kinda mentalities doesn't fit it at all, nor is Tomino clever enough to run parallels and shit that make you go OHHHHH 10 episodes down the line. Guy has a unique way of making shows, but god damn he has absolutely no ability to learn the basics to utilize for his own stories.
But none of that fucking matters, because this is /m/, this is Gundam, and all anyone should give two shits about are robot battle animations and waifufagging, both of which G-Reco does well. Now granted IBO has a better art style for the waifus given how sameface G-Reco along with those ballerina bodies, but there's not much to say for animation in battle.
It doesn't matter that G-Reco has a fucking clown Gundam transferring to a different school every week so he has to wear a new backpack all the time, G-Reco could have featured Bellri in a god damn neon pink Acguy shooting streamers at Rockpie's wedding and it still would have better fight scenes than IBO.
>>14142606
No they're both solid 4/10's. What G-Reco does too much or too little IBO did the polar opposite and made me realize it doesnt matter if the execution is shit and the show is boring.
>>14145505
Well that's how human nature works, when a mistake happens they usually overcompensate.
>>14145490
>granted IBO has a better art style for the waifus
It's pointless when you actually can't tell them apart in the anime because of the QUALITY.
IT was much better than gendum 00
>>14145511
Absolutely true, but it's still a fact that the art style was better for the girls. If nothing else it inspired more doujins though it's interesting to note that G-Reco and IBO have completely different high profile artists making said doujins (ignoring the shitty literally whos of course), and I think the difference in art style may have played a part in that.
IBO's QUALITY alone pretty much destroys whatever arguments it has against G-Reco, but I don't think G-Reco 'winning' means much considering how little potential it realized other than the mecha porn we got. Just imagine if they used that amazing team to animate a story where 100% of the pilots weren't total scrubs that Jerid would probably rape, including Bellri. People say Kira/Setsuna got carried by his suit but I don't think anyone had it as easy as Bellri did. The fucking char clone didn't even really wanna kill Bellri, he was just venting his angst out on him, so what threat was there? And that's not even getting into the tactical/strategical stuff, though competence wouldn't really fit the Eureka 7 hippie art style, and I do admit it's fucking hilarious at times with how civil they are playing war. You could tell the pilots weren't even sure if they were supposed to kill each other.
>>14145160
>There's other fish in the sea for a reason.
People have been making stories and jokes about heartbroken people doing stupid shit for a reason too. Your justification work only after certain time have passed. There's been shit ton of drama about moping over lost love for longer period of time.
>>14145530
>Just imagine if they used that amazing team to animate a story where 100% of the pilots weren't total scrubs
So you want a G-Reco which has nothing to do with one of G-Reco's main themes? Watch something else.
>>14144397
I stopped being excited for IBO after episode 3. I dropped it after 17 episodes or so and it simply managed to be one of the most worthless things I watched for this long along Raildex.
>>14145530
I'm starting to understand how 00 putrid S2 managed to be so popular with retards.
>>14142606
No, G-Reco was an unmitigated disaster the likes of which I'm glad to say not even Gundam X, AGE, or IBO have approached. There's a reason why it isn't getting a second season or any MGs. It was a poorly thought-out mess that was just there to make Tomino and his friends some money.
Tomino couldn't even remember that the show was set after UC but before CC when asked about the timeline, that's how little of a shit was given with it.
>>14145636
Different Anon but episode 17 was the last straw for me on IBO aswell. I was just expecting the wrong things from that show, Fumitan clearly defined glaring Kudelia's flaws then it's just up and forgiven and she's the maiden of revolution and nothing she does is wrong.
>>14143123
>>14143250
>>14143288
So why is IBO getting a second season and G-Reco isn't?
>>14145652
Because Tomino asked for 26 episodes only because he didn't think he could handle a full series, shitposter-kun. This is a well known fact, check the archives for the interviews before the show aired.
>>14145655
Oh okay. So why did they stop making G-Reco gunpla before they even made an MG for it? Why can I get a Master Grade Barbatos but not a Master Grade G-Self?
G-Reco is better simply by virtue of being prettier.
Both shows have huge problems with the plot and pacing, no point in comparing those, but IBO really looks like shit.
>>14145655
>he didn't think he could handle a full series
I'm inclined to agree, looking at the job he did with 26 episodes.
>>14145659
Let me walk over to Bandai's HQ and ask them then get back to you, genius.
>>14145651
>Fumitan clearly defined glaring Kudelia's flaws then it's just up and forgiven and she's the maiden of revolution and nothing she does is wrong.
I still don't understand this, and I understood greco.
She apparently hated her for all this time, tried to get her raped as a kid, agreed to get her murdered but then no you have to live cause maybe you won't fuck this up even though Fumi has no faith in her? Kudelia became so dull after that, it was better than her being annoying but she stopped having any character
>>14145659
Cause the greco line had very little work put into it because they had little faith in the product, despite that it did okay (sunrise said so you can again check the archive) and kits like grimoire were a hit
>Why can I get a Master Grade Barbatos
you can't, you get can only get a no grade 1/100
It is not usual to have to wait a long time for an MG, even Exia we had to wait for.
>>14145666
No need, Satan, let me fill you in.
Despite what cherrypicked 2ch posts from generally positive IBO threads say, IBO is popular. At the very least, more popular than G-Reco, which managed first-week Blu-Ray sales in the ones of thousands. Not all that shocking, considering G-Reco was just a vessel created to:
A: Convey heavyhanded political messages that wouldn't be understood by children and wouldn't be received by who they're intended for.
B: Get Tomino and his friends some money.
g reco I can watch for some comfy monents and laugh at mc spamming warning shots
for IBO....um
I need to forget that shit
>>14145703
nope >>14145024
>>14143303
>>14143288
>>14143238
IBO manages to slightly beat Greco out on sales, but not ratings despite better marketing and timeslot. Even then votes show it to be less popular and IBO's ratings are also horrendous compared to the show which had teh timeslot before. And while IBO gets a sequel Greco is getting a compilation movie (with a second on the table).
>>14145731
Also, wasn't it because IBO BD vol 1 include some bonus for some game or something?
>>14145731
>but not ratings
Not convinced. Get me an average rating for IBO to compare to G-Reco's 1.8%. Until then, I'll just go with the one with much better sales that's getting a second season and non-adaptation manga, and I'll presume the reason for the disconnect mentioned by >>14145024 is just that people are watching these shows online more nowadays.
>>14145738
I believe it was half price and had a vs code in it
>>14145740
Read the thread. 2.25% during primetime Sunday. G-Reco 1.8% at 2 am.
>>14145661
>IBO really looks like shit
>>14145742
That's, in essence, the difference between the two shows. IBO gets a lot of backing from Bandai, G-Reco didn't.
> Half-Price Vol 1 with promo code vs. Full Price Vol 1 without promo code.
> Sunday Evening Timeslot vs. Late night weekday timeslot.
> Dub announced as the show starts vs. Subbed released announced after the show ends.
> Put on every streaming service vs. not even put on Gundam.info until it was half over.
> Wide variety of merchandise like towels and bookbags vs. just Gunpla, videos and an artbook.
> Gets HG and 1/100 NG Lines vs. just a HG line released as the same time as Try's.
IBO was made with the intent of it appealing to a greater number of people than G-Reco. Everything Bandai did with the latter shows they didn't have faith in it, and therefore didn't want to spend the same type of money as they would most Gundam shows. The show stands pretty damn strong under the conditions it performed under.
After all, late night anime rarely get ratings over 2.0%. But I guess the average ANN reader doesn't know that and thinks shows like SAO air in the afternoon (I've had this conversation before).
>>14145829
Exactly. Direct comparison isn't really fair as there are so many other factors going on
While I don't think IBO did badly (outside of ratings), sunrise was obviously expecting much more of it. I can't imagine all the character merch has made a lot
>>14145829
>>14145024
>>14143414
Decided to compile for future use.
For G-Reco, I can only find the ratings till ep19 though.
>>14145731
>BO's ratings are also horrendous
No they actually aren't. There's a few episodes with completely unexplained drops in viewership, but it's more or less representative of a trend in Gundam which is that's viewership is hovering around the same or declining.
>>14144852
you forgot
>noredo's entire character
>raraiya too
>and the purple-haired guy they pick up
>>14145915
You should be using the poll that had 20,002 users vote, not 2chan's paltry 500.
http://smartanswer.colopl-research.jp/reports/2726bf52-c312-455b-9a3b-1be3fef6ecbb
Also, current Gundam Overall ranking:
*8.06% 1993 ガンバレ!SDガンダム大行進
*6.60% 1985 機動戦士aガンダム
*6.12% 1986 機動戦士ガンダムaa (*6.1276%)
*6.12% 2002 機動戦士ガンダムSEED (*6.1240%)
*5.41% 2004 機動戦士ガンダムSEED DESTINY
*5.32% 1979 機動戦士ガンダム
*4.84% 2007 機動戦士ガンダムOO
*4.47% 2008 機動戦士ガンダムOO 2nd season
*4.25% 1995 新機動戦記ガンダムW
*4.11% 1994 機動武闘伝Gガンダム
*3.89% 1993 機動戦士Vガンダム
*3.10% 2000 G-SAVIOUR
*2.99% 1999 ∀ガンダム
*2.75% 1996 機動新世紀ガンダムX (前半*3.51% 後半*1.21%)
*2.56% 2011 機動戦士ガンダムAGE(フリット編*3.22% アセム編*2.33% キオ編*2.25% 三世代編2.23%)
*2.27% 2015 鉄血のオルフェンズ(●23話までの暫定●19､20話オーコメ付き)
*2.09% 2004 SDガンダムフォース
*2.05% 2010 SDガンダム三国伝 BraveBattleWarriors
*1.80% 2014 ガンダムGのレコンギスタ
*1.64% 2013 ガンダムビルドファイターズ
*1.42% 2014 ガンダムビルドファイターズトライ
*1.9% 2016 機動戦士ガンダムUC(1 話)
参考視聴率:再放送3回目
19.40% 1982 機動戦士ガンダム
>>14145219
Yeah, that's true. Doesn't make Soon randomly punting it and Cumpa just so happening to stand in front of its wing and just so happening to plummet into a conveniently nearby chasm any less awkward.
>>14146201
>No they actually aren't.
They're pretty bad to Arslan's that was airing in the same timeslot before IBO. that comparison wasn't with the previous Gundam series.
>>14145597
It means that G-reco was broken at a very fundamental level.
>>14146266
>AGE not last
Haha, it's kinda cute how mad /m/ is about IBO's success. You're all so desperate to somehow "prove" it's not the smash hit it is in Japan, it'd almost be sad if it wasn't so funny.
>>14146289
Hello ANN I see you're still upset about the A/Z is good thing. Well you don't have to worry now that you can say A/Z is better than IBO.
>>14146265
Ringo's existence is a legitimate complaint, Tomino must have had some plan for him and then gave up on it. Raraiya was great though, it was nice seeing her go from retarded to one of the most balanced people in the show.
>>14142658
Agreed. I only made it about five episodes into G-reco before I had to stop. The characters were just too damn stupid. I mean demanding the enemy surrender then jamming all communications? The Fuck?
>>14146350
Man this board is the best.
>>14142606
Yes It is better.
>>14142937
I hope they had a dozen genius American babies.
>>14146350
Don't forget, Cross Ange is a smash hit that they could totally make a season 2 for!
Did people hate Turn A when it first came out?
>>14146730
Yup. Lot of people were crying that Turn A wasn't Gundam back in the day, think Nagano even did a rant calling it the "the Emperor's new clothes" of Gundam.
>>14146754
Wow. He sounds like a douche.
>>14143128
I loved Manny.
>>14146754
>>14146769
"The King's new clothes" was an obvious shitpost made by someone on here you idiots.
https://desustorage.org/m/search/text/The%20King's%20new%20clothes/
Does this sound like a legit quote made in an interview to you guys? I'd hope not.
Every single person who has posted in this thread needs to go back to A/Z.
>>14146730
>Did people hate Turn A when it first came out?
Most Gundamfags hated and hate Turn A to this day. They cannot deal with : - highly stylized Gundams and - a story that doesn't kill characters for no good reason (This ain't Zeta Gundam). Turn A has plenty of tragedy but it's conveyed on a much more human scale.
I daresay you could pick up the no-name writers at GIGA and they'd produce an enjoyable 30 minute toy commercial that happens to be named Gundam compared to the entirety of IBO
this entire thread is what's wrong with /m/ .. youre all puss
>>14147253
lickable puss
>>14146730
I still haven't watched Turn A, it skipped it. Should I even bother?
>>14145597
No I wanted a Gundam TV show that isn't Unicorn to be well animated, how the fuck did you quote what you did and somehow interpret it differently? Oh wait, that's a rhetorical question since you're so anally devastated we can smell the butt hurt across the internet.
Stop lashing out at people who have a slightly different opinion you piece of shit. Backpack of the week with retards piloting is a total waste of a high quality animation team compared to a TV adaptation of Johnny Ridden.
>>14145639
00S2 wasn't as bad as IBO in QUALITY, and most of the bad stuff about it had nothing to do with the battles other than the choreograph being dogshit compared to S1 since it escalated too high too fast and devolved into GN particle spam.
But like I said that doesn't fucking matter. Most people don't care about the story in Gundam, because there's no expectation. What matters is hype and people saying one liners in an appealing manner while shooting shit up.
Otherwise how the fuck could anyone ever claim Graham Aker was the best pilot when all he did was job job job? The story implies he's a tough guy but at the end of the day his results were mediocre but between his VA, his Flag, and music, most people would get pumped up even if he does something simple like transform in mid air.
>>14147321
>compared to a TV adaptation of Johnny Ridden.
Of all the fucking things you could think of, that crap leaps ahead of the pack?
>>14147321
>Otherwise how the fuck could anyone ever claim Graham Aker was the best pilot when all he did was job job job? The story implies he's a tough guy but at the end of the day his results were mediocre but between his VA, his Flag, and music, most people would get pumped up even if he does something simple like transform in mid air.
At least to me, Graham Acker was a pathetic character. He becomes so obsessed with fighting a Gundam he literally loses himself. Maybe it's one of those thing you need to have in Gundam just because even if it doesn't make a lick of sense (aka Mr Bushido aka Masked Character aka Char). Ali al Saachez was a much better character and no mask.
>>14145160
>There's other fish in the sea for a reason.
Wasnt one of them a newtype? She felt his death and was mind raped.
>>14147505
Was she a Newtype? She just seemed to go bug-fuck suicidal crazy after Rockpie bought it and claimed that he was talking to her from beyond the grave while her subordinates and superiors rightfully gave her funny looks.
![[HorribleSubs] Gundam Reconguista in G - 23 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_16.46_[2016.04.23_02.26.53].png](https://i.imgur.com/joeF8fE.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Gundam Reconguista in G - 23 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_16.46_[2016.04.23_02.26.53].png")
>>14147521
Just went and watched the scene again.
Rockpie dies screaming her name.
The camera then pans over to her ship that is far way from the battle and looking away from his direction.
Then pic related happens along with a high pitched noise.
Clearly some newtype mind fuckery happened
>>14146439
What the purpose of Raraiya and Noredo and why did they warrant so much screentime for their retarded antics at the expense of more interesting and important characters?
>>14144852
>>14146265
>>14147576
This is the equivalent of complaining about John Job, the White Base Kids, Fa, the AEUG kids, damn near everyone in ZZ, the Strike Team kids, most of the Earth Militia, etc.
>>14147608
>This is the equivalent of complaining about John Job, the White Base Kids, Fa, the AEUG kids, damn near everyone in ZZ, the Strike Team kids, most of the Earth Militia, etc.
Good, most of those are crappy, unnecessary characters too. It's not so bad when they are side characters but Noredo and Raraiya have even more screentime than the antagonist.
>>14147628
But only autist like you complain about them especially when neither Raraiya or Noredo hindered the enjoyment of the show like Katz, Beecha, and Mondo did. Raraiya was a pilot with connections to Towsnaga that ultimately led Bellri and Aida to where the G-Self was made, Noredo was the Fa who pretty much took care of Raraiya and provided comic relief
Fa had more screentime than Scorrico and Hamen combined in Zeta. Sochie was more relevant than Guin. Any more stupid complaints?
>>14147648
>Noredo was the Fa
Noredo is way better than Fa
>>14147648
>Raraiya was a pilot with connections to Towsnaga that ultimately led Bellri and Aida to where the G-Self was made
They got there just fine without her. Did you forget she was retarded they whole way?
>Noredo was the Fa who pretty much took care of Raraiya and provided comic relief
When you have to compare her to Fa you implicitely admit she's shit.
>Fa had more screentime than Scorrico and Hamen combined in Zeta.
Undoubtedly one of Zeta's flaws.
>Sochie was more relevant than Guin.
She was necessary to show the viewpoint of a common earthling who had lost something due to the moon people.
>that picture
Ah, now it makes sense you're a retarded waifufaggot, that's why you mad.
>>14146266
That might as well be its own thing.
>>14147287
Only if you don't want to have shit taste for the rest of your life.
>>14147923
That chart puts AGE as more popular than ZZ, Victory, G, Wing, X, Turn A, Build Fighters, Try, G-Reco and IBO. That doesn't seem right.
>>14147923
Goddamn what the hell is going
>>14146266
Someone who actually knows moon correct me on this, but isn't that just how many has seen what? Doesn't really say which they like more?
I can't convince myself G-Reco was better. Sorry but it was a total mess and it needed more episodes. Biggest waste of potential I seen in all of anime.
>>14147672
>She was necessary to show the viewpoint of a common earthling who had lost something due to the moon people.
Same goes for Raraiya. She was necessary to show that once she lived with Bellri and Aida factions didn't matter anymore to her.
>>14144852
>that one retard that keeps complaining about non issues
>>14147287
You're missing out on Tomino at his most balanced and least crabby
So do it
>>14149078
>Same goes for Raraiya. She was necessary to show that once she lived with Bellri and Aida factions didn't matter anymore to her.
Which would have been more profound and better-executed had she not suffered from oxygen deprivation and brain damage for half the show, becoming best known for remarking on her pet fish's toilet habits.
>>14147535
>>14147521
I like the fact it isn't 100% clear. It's very possible but at the same time she could have just scene it happen (she was able to keep track of him in other battles), or is just a crazy bitch.
It fits in nicely with Tomino's "newtype shit really isn't that good or fun stop copying it wrong" that he has pushed for a while
>>14149236
>Which would have been more profound and better-executed had she not suffered from oxygen deprivation and brain damage for half the show
Then she would have told everyone straight away and there would have been no mystery thus making the plot line less engaging
>>14149255
Well in fairness it's not like it was particularly engaging anyway. It's not like SHE was particularly engaging anyway either.
The two things she's best known for are observing a fish's defecation and, depending on your view, being hailed as an edgelord for telling Bellri how stupid it is to talk to G-Self when it's just a machine or blaming adults for killing people and then immediately proceeding to blow up a ship crewed by hundreds.
>>14145453
>Grabbing this hard at all the straws around you.
Sure man. Keep that delusion alive. The series was seriously flawed, fun but horribly flawed no matter how you look at it. Iron out all my points you want but the fact remains.
>>14145669
>tried to get her raped as a kid
Which episode was this?
>>14145024
>It's really just starting to look like no one watches Gundam anymore on TV. Kids don't give a shit. Only Gunota are watching it.
Maybe if Gundam was better people would watch it. Franchise has been a mess for at least half of the decade, even the shows I've loved i can understand why nobody "normal" really cared for. 00 was the last Gundam with actual mass appeal.
>>14149505
It was the one right before the one where Fumitan died I think. He's referring to when she ditches Kudelia in the slums or whatever.
>>14142606
Unequivocally so.
>>14149531
Wing, G, 00, BF, Ironblooded orphans have mass appeal to the general audience
>>14149078
The fuck are you talking about, she was bland and did next to nothing the second after she introduced them to the Resistance people.
>>14149255
>no mystery thus making the plot line less engaging
The "mystery" aspect is where Greco really dropped the ball.
They spent episodes hyping up the "threat from space" and when it happens lo and behold it's just some cliche space racists with 15 minutes of screentime if you count them all consecutively.
>>14149531
Wait until IBO airs on Toonami.
Gundam will enjoy a popularity boost then.
>>14150297
IBO on Toonami will either revive interest in Gundam or alienate the viewers.
I would be more optimistic if it were G Reco being dubbed first.I think it would wind up being considered decent at worst in the USA or achieve Wing levels of popularity at best.
>>14150332
Not nearly edgy or drama-filled enough. It's too genki for the plebs.
>>14150287
>and when it happens lo and behold it's just some cliche space racists with 15 minutes of screentime if you count them all consecutively.
I'm pretty sure you didn't watch the anime.
And if you did you completely missed the point.
>>14150348
The lack of edge and drama is what makes G Reco more likely to succeed in the USA.It might not be a hit but people will like it.
IBO's drama and edge will either make the show popular in the USA or make it into a joke.
I think IBO will wind up like Char's Counterattack or Unicorn in the USA:half of the fans will love it and the other half will hate it.
>>14150332
>>14150389
So much statements so very wrong
>>14150367
Dorrette fleet has so little screentime it's not even funny, and they are a big player in greco's politics.
Stay in denial.
>>14150389
>The lack of edge and drama is what makes G Reco more likely to succeed in the USA
You're not American, are you?
>>14150389
The most popular shows in recent years have been Sword Art Online and Attack on Titan. Wing was a smash hit back when it aired.
>>14150389
Nah. While I love G-Reco, I could never see it winning over the Toonami crowd. Maybe if the dub changed lines and made the story easier to follow, then it would do okay. But otherwise, it would just be more guys whining about how it doesn't make sense to them.
IBO's edge could make it work in America, but the middle section of the show could kill interest in it due to it's lack of action, slow pace, excessive exposition and characters repeating themselves over and over.
>>14149819
No it doesn't because nothing happens.
Do you think kids will be engaged by the constant exposition, talking, and lack of mobile suit fights in IBO?
IBO has a premise that could really hook kids in, but it fumbles it.
>>14149438
>adopting bushido was like becoming a cowboy.
I never looked at it quite like that before.
I like.
>>14151585
I am American.Sometimes edge appeals to us other times it does not.
>>14151595
I'm American and I have never understood why SAO is considered edgy.The edgiest thing in SAO was Kirito's fashion sense.never understood the appeal of Attack on the Titan.
>>14151585
The most successful Gundams in the USA were Wing and G which deviated from the usual Gundam series.This is the reason why
The UC series(excluding Unicorn and Char's Counterattack)were well liked in the USA but we're never popular as G or Wing.
00,Unicorn and Char's Counterattack are controversial in the USA,fans either loved them or hate them.
Seed and Seed Destiny are considered abominations in the USA,even the VAs hated those series.
My guess is that IBO will have a similar reception to Unicorn and Char's Counterattack in the USA.It all depends on what happens in the second season.
>>14150287
>threat from space
>mystery
This shit takes place post-UC. To be saying shit like that implies you've never even seen UC gundams.
>>14150297
You mean the thing that keeps getting it's hours cut?
Toonami doesn't make shows popular, any of the last few big ones like klk were big before airing
>>14145236
Just like in Panzer World Galientwhere Mardar's plan was to rejuvenate the galactic empire
Too bad they sharesame fate, killed off in absurd manner after they ran out of episodes at mark 25
Come to think,what would had happened if both were twice the length - best /m/ shows ever?
