Chris-mas is almost upon us. Have you been good this year?
The relevant link list:
-Songs, CD/BD releases, lyrics and general information: http://pastebin.com/EeTkSpKa
-Hibiki Radio Station: http://hibiki-radio.jp/description/symphogear-gx
-Main S3 site: http://www.symphogear-gx.com/
-Episode 13
[Commie] - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=739337
[HS] - http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=737864
[H&D] - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=759881
-Third BD Volume
[RAW] - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=764187
「SMASHING ANTHEMS」:
LOSSY V1 - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=754956
LOSSY V2 - https://www.nyaa.eu/?page=view&tid=75496
「BAYONET CHARGE/RADIANT FORCE (IGNITED arrangement)」
LOSSY - http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=761023
Believe in Justice and Hold Determination to Fist. Keeps evil away.
Previous Thread: >>13617466
>>13621507
It's not confirmed, it's just a gut feeling.
>>13622056
>Have you been good this year?
Why? I might be the one person who'd be happy to get coal in his stocking.
>>13622056
Merry Chris-chan is the only way I'll accept the holiday greetings this CHRIStmas.
>>13622087
Badum-tss.
Is it the 23rd yet?
>>13622140
Why are you looking forward to my birthday, anon?
>>13622146
He wants to steal your gift.
King Super Live 2015, /sgg/, hot chocolate andtypesetting HRS. Fun lazy Sunday mornings are fun.
>>13622029
I'm only one episode in and yeah, this Gentarou kid is like Hibiki and Josuke had a baby and took turns teaching him the importance of friendship and manliness
>Perfect
>Fluffy
>Name has to do with snow
>Half-foreigner
>Name contains a part of "christmas"
>Birthday really close the the date
Yeah, all the time is time for Chris, but the Christmas season is specially Zenbu-y
I have a healthy ammount of Chris Christmas images, oddly less than I have valentine's day Chris images.
What couples do you support?
>>13622209
Topdad X Ver
Pancakes lady X Boy from GX01
Girl from S101 X Nephlim
>>13622209
Fudou x Swordmom
>>13622209
HibiMiku x Tsubasa
DMJII x Chris
Maria x Ver x Carol x Elfnein (specifically only in that order and looping around to Elfnein x Maria)
>>13622209
Ver x Maria
Topdad x Chris
Genjuro x Tsubasa
Ogawa x Animechan
Bridgebunny x Elfnein
>>13622209
Anon x Chris
>>13622329
Now this is a pairing that get's me into the Christmas spirit.
Only to feed my disappointment because I know what I want will never be in my stocking.
since we are on the topic of christmas what kind of present would you give to your favorite geah?
and just to make things more interesting for some of you:
>least favorable mode:what would you give as a present to your least favorite geah (it has to be something nice)
>hard mode:you must give all the gears a present, but only things you have in your home>bulling mode:what kind of joke gift would you give to your favorite geah?
An army of Nana wearing her holy cross cannot be beaten. And if the Mariafags think it can... THERE MUST BE WAR.
>>13622395
Never give up hope anon
>>13622405
Maria: High quality hair salon scissors.
>>13622405
Ver: Every single Schwarzenegger movie
>>13622405
>nice for favorite
A silver necklace with a wing pendant
>nice for least favorite
A competition yoyo
>hardmode
Tsubasa: I have a sword letter opener
Chris: Nothing special, but some spent shell casings of various calibers that I think are pretty cool
Hibiki: I have a big stuffed dog in my closet I bet she'd like
Maria: A big fuzzy winter hat to keep her warm
Kirika: I have many hoodies, I'm sure I could find one she'd like.
Shirabe: This is actually kind of a difficult one. Maybe another hoodie to match Kirika's?
>bully modeA bag of kingston charcoal
>>13622447
>spent shell casings of various calibers that I think are pretty cool
>get string, tiny drill and something to keep the shape of the casings
>mash them together
>???
>casing necklace
>>13622459
That's actually a brilliant idea.
>>13622405
To Chris? I know for a fact she likes music, so CDs and the like could work well enough. "individual" as a meta joke, some Symphonic music maybe, although I'd probably meet it halfway, considering we are both into rock and Iron Maiden is my favorite band and present her with "The book of souls" if she hadn't gotten it already. Accompanied by Anpan and some Christmas-y sweets
>least favorable mode: Joke's on you, anon, Shirabe is only my least favorite by elimination, I have nothing against her. Also, it's only cost me like, 298 yen anyway.
>hard mode:I recently came back from Mexico from a mathematics competition, so I have lots of souvenirs. Jokingly, I'd give Bikki my sombrero, Chris the pendant I made with the jacket of the very first gun I've ever fired and my copy of Equilibrium, Tsubasa would get my eagle pendant from mexico, Kirika would get my fingerless gloves, Maria would get my gloves with fingers and Shirabe would get my scarf
>Bully mode:I'd give Chris fake bunny ears
>>13622471
>Jacket of the bullet, of course
The correction gives me an excuse to post the follow up of the image for those interested.
>>13622462
I try. Now to sit down and think if I can think of enough stuff for the present challenge.
>>13622221
You mean topdad fucking ver's corpse or they doing it in hell?
>>13622405
>hardmode
My mother uses my house as storage for her trendy gift shop, which was never terribly convenient until this moment.
>>13622542
Ver's ghost rapping Topdad in his dreams, Freddie Krueger style.
>>13622579
>rapping
So he does have musical talent.
>>13622579
>rapping
>Freddie Krueger style.
Now I'm just thinking of Ghost's belt jingles.
>>13622209
Normal ships
Hibimiku
wing/cat
DMJII
Crack
Every geah a a futa on reincarnated loli-ver.
>>13622589
HIS SANITY IS BELOW ZERO
HE'S THE LAST ACTION HERO
>>13622604
>ABANDONED HIS ONLY DAUGHTER
>THE WORLD'S WORST FATHER
>>13622591
>Every geah a a futa on reincarnated loli-ver.
Ooh, that's a good one.
>>13622619
I call it "A hero's welcum"
>>13622633
Toranekochris-chan
>>13622633
>Yukineko
>Chrispanther
>>13622622
>"A hero's welcum"
>>13622654
>mfw it really does say that
>>13622633
>>13622654
Yukineko is pretty good.
>>13622622
Now there's an idea for a fapfic.
>>13622664
>Loli-Ver falls right into Hibiki's "spear"
>>13622654
>Chrispanther
But it has spots, is a chrispard
>>13622686
maybe it's because I am a dog person, but I prefer Yukinu Chris
>>13622695
>implying panthers don't have spots
>>13622687
I wrote the futageah stuff in the last thread, but honestly that one is completely beyond me.
>>13622698
those are called leopards anon.
>>13622705
Or Jaguars.
Panther is quite a large definition.
Panthers aren't even real. They're literally, not figuratively, a mythological creature. That blew my tiny mind when I was little.
>>13622697
There's nothing inu about her.
Hibiki on the other hand...
>>13622405
Hibiki (bully mode): Receipts of the restaurants we ate at where I said I'd "pay for it".
>>13622701
I'd say that you avoid going full group action. Maybe one or two geahs getting some at any given time. With the rest either getting action at some other time or after the previous ones left if you want to write sloppy seconds.
It's how I'd write it anyways.
>>13622710
Or Lions
>>13622405
>bully mode
Souvenirs from Val Verde.
>>13622721
You actual monster.
>>13622697
Chris only works as a cat or a bunny
>>13622720
Lions don't have spots, silly.
>>13622727
Sheep.
>>13622695
>>13622705
>>13622730
They have hair though.
>>13622718
It's more like I try to imagine it and I can only see real Ver, and hear Sugita's crazy voice.
>>13622737
Nigger Jaguar.
>>13622737
>Filename
>>13622730
But jaglions do.
Also
> When the fertile offspring of a male lion and female jaguar mates with a leopard, the resulting offspring is referred to as a leoliguar.
Why do we consider them separate species still?
>>13622751
See >>13622710
>>13622755
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera_hybrid#Table_of_names_for_hybrids
This is just silly.
Can we just call it a cat and be done with it?
>>13622751
'Black panthers' are just melanistic variants of any animal in the genus Panthera. This is typically leopards in Africa and Asia, and jaguars in South America. 'Melanistic' doesn't always mean perfectly black, though.
>>13622766
> /sgg/: cats and cat derivatives
>>13622760
>The male offspring of a jaguar and a tigress is a jagger
>A jagger
This explains so much about the Rolling Stones.
>>13622743
try harder.
>>13622730
They do. They just lose them when they get older.
>>13622755
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species#Difficulty_defining_or_identifying_species
>>13622782
I thought of Mick when I saw that too.
Your guys are all wrong, the two twintails Chris has cleary show she is a Smilodon
>>13622794
Does that really count? Deer do the same thing.
>>13622755
Because they're not a species.
>>13622798XTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMEEEEEEEE
>>13622803
Adult lions still have spots too, they're just more faint.
>>13622817
Maria_after_concert_catering.jpg
>>13622817
My mind has been blown.
>>13622776
Showing that other cats from the Panther family have spots doesn't contradict the fact Chrispanther has spots.
>>13622823
Officer Kazanari is going to have a good time
>>13622821
Alternatively
>Maria after singing duets with Tsubasa all night.jpg
>>13622776
>>13622817
Wait, whats the other Maria?
>>13622845
Chateau Maria. Can't you see? The fur color is clearly darker.
>this whole thread
>>13622755
>leoliguar
Now there's a super robot name if I ever heard one.
>>13622760
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera_hybrid#Table_of_names_for_hybrids
Almost the entire chart counts too.
>>13622823
I wanna see this.
Damn, just noticed the vagina bones.
>>13622863
Meant to link to >>13622835
Now I need someone to edit the "Because it looks cool" image to be a panther with Maria hair.
>>13622738
You know, if she didn't have other more ridiculous animal-like traits to make fun of, her tits would have made me invoke that old physicist joke.
>>13622760
>Leopon
>>13622835
A very good time. Maria's probably going to be kept in lock up for a while at least.
>>13622938
>>13622835
>officer
Don't call the animal control people that. It makes them think they're important.
What can we do to recover G's or S1's spirit in the next season?
Tomorrow is my last day of the semester.
Look forward to Version 1.8.0 of Symphobattle sometime this week!
Had Serena survived, what are the chances she would've had the same amazing development as her sister?
>>13622948
I fucking love the Piger
>>13622947
Think they roleplay all these kinky scenarios in their bedroom?
>Hibiki comes over and happens to see the costumes in Tsubasa's closet
>Eh, I didn't know you were into cosplay, Tsubasa-san
>>13622967
Maria obviously got all the good genes. Serena would end up Tsubasa-tier but shorter.
>>13622823
That's a pretty cool Maria. I would totally listen to ressiou Gungnir with her while committing petty crimes.
What would DMJII think if they saw her like this?
>>13622976
But Serena was already above Tsubasa tier when she was 13.
>>13622981
>Serena's thighs
Sweet jesus
>>13622981
Shirabe's feet look great.
>>13622989
I like her butt better dess.
What is Maria doing to Carol?
>>13622993
They are alsofine
>>13622996
Alchemy.
>>13622997
Very, very fine.
Is this picture to scale?
>>13622996
She's doing whatever the hell happened in that fic last thread
>>13623007
If that's a regular apple and not some playscape you'd find at Disney Hollywood Studios, then yes.
Which geah has the messiest periods?
>>13622993
Her belly is nice too.
>>13623019
Kanade's.
>>13623021
Is Fine the fertility goddess?
>>13623019
Serena. Too much jam.
>>13623023
Carbon ash is messy in a different kind of way.
>>13623021
Literally objectively best navel, midriff in general and collarbones. Subjectively best butt as well.
>>13622971
Probably, they give off that vibe of a sing all night every night sort of couple.
>>13623019
Maria
>>13623021
Maximum lewd
>>13623063
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEzhxP-pdos
>>13623069
It's filtered on purpose so you can see better dumbass
>>13623080
>It looks awful on purpose!
Glad we cleared that up.
>>13623080
On purpose or not, looks like garbage. Would not fap to/10.
![[HorribleSubs] Senki Zesshou Symphogear GX - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_02.51_[2015.09.20_10.48.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mVKLhkf.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Senki Zesshou Symphogear GX - 06 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_02.51_[2015.09.20_10.48.35].jpg")
>>13623085
>fapping to Shirabe
>>13623021
BD version where?
>>13623085
Maybe some kind anon can use it to vector?
>>13623088I almost only exclusively fap to Shirabe these days. Come at me Maria.
>>13623099
futa dess pls go
>>13623099How, there's barely any porn of her
>>13623125
Never.
>>13623126Through the same couple doujins, various screencaps and fanpics and lots of headcanon.
Let's be real though, dess gets in there too often, so I'm pretty much fapping to both of them half the time.
>>13623126Probably the same way I fap to KanadeLots and lots of fantasies
>>13623192
Not sure why I said headcanon, not quite the same as fantasies. But yes, this.
>>13623088
>>13622835
yes she willwhen I'm done writan
>>13623212
Is it futa again?
>>13623215
nopeI honestly can't write futa very well at all
>>13623010
She's older than some countries, who knows what Carol got up to.
>>13623199
What anicepicture.
>>13623355
Filling Elf9's butt with "alchemy"
>>13623375
I suppose the Autoscorers could serve as elaborate sex toys, too.
>>13622087
10/10
>>13622201
>Tis the season to save lots of new Chris images
Oh yes.
As a newfound fancanon meat-eater, how do you think Miku enjoys her steaks?
>>13623562
Doesn't matter. She's getting porked!
What would be a good symphogear design to put on a shirt? My friend's gift to me is a personalized shirt and I want something Symphogear related.
>>13623571
Someone here has a vector of GUNGNIR DATTO I think.
>>13623571
Torso design of your favorite geah, or alternatively, all blank except for the relic crystal amplifier thingy over the colarbone area.
>>13623571
Get just this little Chris on your shirt.
>>13623571
Is there any way you could make it look like a shard of Gungnir is going into your chest and spreading?
>>13623562
She seems like a medium-rare kind of girl.captcha: steak
>>13623571
pendant on the front, GUNGNIR warning sign on the back?
>>13623571
Choose your favorite attack card and make a vector of the name, MEGA DETH PARTY would be pretty cool actually.
>>13623573
Or just buy this shirt http://www.redbubble.com/people/bronard/works/14286465-kort-el-fes-gungnir
>>13623571
Get Hibiki's scar in black
>Mikuuu
>Let's sleep togetheer
>Ahh, sorry. I've to hand in this homework tomorrow, can you go to sleep first?
>I'll sleep later, after I finish this
>>13623591
I can never not kort el fes, so I just bought that shirt.
>>13623602
>Then I'll stay up with you until your homework's done, Miku!!
>Eeeh. Don't you always say that and then sleep right after?
>I won't sleep!!
>5 minutes later
>>13623562
IIRC she was having a steak in the school cafeteria in S1 ep7 before running off to the roof top.
>>13623602
>>13623618
Stop making want a miniature dog girl.
>>13623464
It truly is the most wonderful time of the year, the season that keeps on giving.
>>13623562
The only meat she puts in her mouth is Hibiki's.
>>13623638
There might've been a closer shot than this but this is the best shot of that meal that I've got.
>>13623464
Just remember to celebrate with moderation, like a proper adult.
>>13623656
So getting Chris a negligee, throwing her onto the bed, and getting her knocked up?
>>13623656
You can never have too much Chris
>>13623668
Stop reminding me of the things I'll never have
>>13623671
You can pretend by posting pictures of Chris in sexy bedwear, though.
>>13623648
It could be steak. It could be ハンバーグ too, which isn't exactly steak, but it is made with beef.
>>13623674
There's not much of that though.
>>13623668
Here I was, trying to be jolly and nice and you come acting like a true ero-frontier.That said, Christmas hats anon, if you would be so kind. And >>13622422 too.
>>13623648
There's a closer shot when she stopped eating after Ando mentioned Hibiki's "part-time job". I don't have my computer here to check it myself.
>>13623212http://pastebin.com/WndRVsStif one of the people with an AO3 account wants to throw this up I don't care, just credit it to anonymous
>>13623704I added it under the appropriate pastebin if that works for you
>>13623715
thanks for your hard work pasteanon,somehow I forgot you collected writefaggan as well
>>13623704
>That ending
Don't interrogation rooms usually have security cameras too? Tsubasa and Maria are bigger bakas than Hibiki.
>>13623704
Nice. Futa's fine and all but it's good to have some variety in our fapfiction.
>>13623729
Clearly Chris absconded with them for use in an "ongoing investigation".
>>13622961
Tie a rope to Kaneko's neck, and then everyone pulls until it comes out of his ass.
>>13623768
>them
the tapes*
>>13623656
Crying into my daki that Chris isn't real?
>>13623768
>some variety
Like het?
>>13623783
Reminder you probably won't get your Chris cover until after Christmas.
>>13623792
I'm picking it up from a friend's house in Japan during February, so I'm well aware.
Not like it's my first Chris daki, though.
>>13623656
Trying to at least dream about a happy Christmas with Chris?
>>13623790
We could do with some Genjuro and Ryoko.
>>13623704
>DO THAT AT HOME
Here at /sgg/ we're never going to give Chris a break, are we? Thanks for the good work anon.
>>13623799
I tried last night after reading the thread. It didn't work.
>>13623806
I haven't had any luck with that yet either
>>13623804
Chris-chan is my favourite, but she's so much fun to tease.
>>13623800
Too good for this sinful earth.
I vaguely considered Christmas Carol 'versus' Ogawa and Gen earlier.
>>13623809
Probably for the best. I feel like I'd wake up and kill myself after realizing it was only a dream. A human just can't handle flying that high and then crashing back down to Earth.
I want Chris to get really drunk on Christmas or Christmas eve and sexually tease DMJII.
>>13623820
Don't give up on living anon
>>13623828
She can probably mix up a mean rompope.
>>13623828
I want her to get drunk and slur her already difficult to understand slang, and then get teased, and then whip out her report card and yell about how her literature grades are the highest.
>>13623833
Only if we can convince Kaneko to kill topdad in season 4.
I have the idea of a story drifting around my mind involving the geahs and my fetish. But I doubt anyone other than me would like it.
>>13623828
>and sexually tease DMJII.
You mean "Play Fine"?>Maria shows up
>Chris teaches her how to be best mom
>>13623848
that depends on what your fetish isjudging peoples' fetishes is my fetish
Given how hilarious the futa fic that was written last night was, I'm thinking it would be good to preserve it in a paste for the pastebin?
>>13623854
'Why do we need a roast chicken?'
'I don't know exactly, but we do.'
>>13623800
Genjuro/Ryoko and Garie/faceless victim are the het I want.
>>13623858
I'd say so yeah.
We need more silly Gearfic as well. There's just that futa fic, the Top Gear one, and YOU SALTY MOTHERFUCKER that I can name.
>>13623858
If you've got a link I've got an edit button
>>13623862
>And this is the guest room.
>Why is the bed covered in spikes, dess?
>>13623863
>>13623864
Not the original author, but dunno if anyone would mind if I just copied it into a paste right now?
>>13623875
I am the original author, and I'm okay with it.
>>13623880
>THAT EDIT
>>13623880
>>13623886
what edit?
>>13623887
oh dang
>>13623894
>faces
>hand on breast
>erect nipple
I need more Chris doujins.
>>13623887
Chris on the front page!
>>13623864
>>13623880
http://pastebin.com/WRsLj4VZ
Thanks for writing it anon.
>>13623887
Why did you add shadow on Biki's butt? It doesn't belong there at all, the light is coming from that direction.
>>13623804
>>13623810
>Chris-chan is my favourite, but she's so much fun to tease.
There isn't a single word from that sentence I disagree with.
'Tis the season of Chris, it's the time of the year when we appreciate the miracle of her birth and present each other in order to soften the blow that her absence causes.
Or at least that is what I think this time of year is all about, I don't watch much TV. It's certainly what I'll be celebrating at least.
>>13623887
Well... At least they are doing it at home.
>>13623908
It was pretty fun. Some of the reactions were priceless.
Since it's obviously lewd o'clock, what's your idea of the perfect symphogear fapfic?
>>13624013
Remember that time the alcanoise had Chris nice and naked?
Yeah, DMJii never shows up.
>>13624013
Dicks everywhere. Everything is dicks. The characters, their gears, their songs, all dicks.
>>13624013
I'm a sucker for gentle, lovey-dovey sex, so something slow and tender and soft between Hibiki and Miku or DMJii
>>13624033
2lewd
>>13624033
There's already a super cute vanilla DMJII one.
>>13624041
There is?Are you talking about the bathroom one?
>>13624013
Chris masturbating in a variety of manners in the privacy of her own home
>>13624013Dark things that are unsuited to this general
>>13623573
>>13623591
Since I don't have the means to order online, anyone have the vector for GUNGNIR DATTO?
>>13624051
>Chris going at it
>suddenly knock at the door
>who the hell is it
>Glasses Friend
>"Hey I came over, I needed some help with this homework"
>Glasses eventually notices Chris is antsy from getting blueballed
>accidentally sees the toys
>"Chris-chan you must be so lonely here, the whole apartment all by yourself. Tonight I will stay with you"
>"Oh noooooooo"
>>13624051
This. Basically that one Hide and Seek thing by Alan Smithee, but without the ghosts.
>>13624068
We already have enough of Chris getting dragged into other people's lewd shenanigans
>>13624047
Yes, no idea how old it is. Why, what's wrong with that one?
>>13624080I wrote it
>>13624013
Is it ever not lewd o'clock for you deviants?
Next thing you know it, you guys are going to begin talking aboutholding handsorhugginglike that degenerate Hibiki keeps doing to poor Chris.
>>13624092
Even worse, I want tocuddlewith Chris
>>13624013
Voyeur Chris schlicking when she accidentally catches one of the couples in the act,then she starts trying to do it on purpose
>>13624105
Control your lust, you insatiable maniac!
Do you want [pic related] to happen?
>>13624115
Worse, I'dkissher on thelips
>>13624013
Futa!bikki impregnating Miku in an exhibitionistic setting. Chris has to witness it.
>>13624142
>finale of G
>Hibiki about to steal Gungir from Maria
>Miku runs into the middle of it
>something something has a dick
>fucks Hibiki right there
>in front of the cameras
>whole world sees it
>Chris and Tsubasa watching on smart phone
>DO THAT AT HOOOOOME
Have fun, writefags.
>>13624137
Ok, this is driving me mad. Say ONE lewd thing about Chris in this pic. One, no need for more, can you?
You can't, you can't because that is just not possible, so knock it off.
>>13624150
Okay that's a little extreme for my tastes.
I meant more like banging in one of the rec rooms on the sub or something.
>>13624151
>just one
LOOK AT THOOOOOSE!
>>13624151
That bikini compliments her figure very nicelyI wanna kiss her belly and zenbus
>>13623863
I've been thinking of Garie/faceless victims het after seeing this image.
Too bad my writing is trash.
>>13624013Self-insert fic with myself and Bikki though that's more fitted to a faceless protagonist doujin if anything
>>13624151
>Say ONE lewd thing about Chris in this pic
just look at those ZENBUS
>>13624083
Ah well good work on it, it was actually one of the few fapfics I read.
>>13624162
>bikki balls-deep in Miku
>chris knuckles-deep in herself, peeking through a crack in the door
>right as she comes and Miku screams out in ecstasy, Hibiki looks over and makes eye contact with chris and smiles
>chris runs away
>bikki says nothing to Miku>miku slips in a puddle on the way out of the room
>>13624171
>>13624180
All I hear is bark, no bite.
In the end, you can't name a single thing about Chris, because she is not lewd! Just like Tsubasa is not cute and HibiMiku are just really close straight friends!
Take 2, can you name anything lewd about her here?
![[CUMMING INTENSIFIES].gif](https://i.imgur.com/OpG7DGH.gif "[CUMMING INTENSIFIES].gif")
>>13624206
She's pulling down her pants to take a dick in the ass!
>>13624206
Her back is just as cute as her front
>>13624013
Maria and Tsubasa singing a concert.
Maria's got an egg vibrator in her outfit that Tsubasa turns up and down to mess with her, she has to try not to give it away while she's singing; Tsubasa gets her off during each outfit change but it barely helps.Then after the show, Maria screws Tsubasa so hard she has to skip the after-party.
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>Hibiki catches her, accidentally supporting her by the tits
>looks are exchanged
>round two against the wall
