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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/armenia-heavy-fighting-nagorno-karabakh-helicopter-hit-38102214
So, what are the military capabilities of the respective belligerents.
>>29465362
>Karabakh Military Forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_Defense_Army#Equipment
>Azerbaijan Military forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_Azerbaijani_Land_Forces
Armenian Ministry of defense reports on destruction of 3 Azerbaijani tanks, 2 drones & 2 helicopters so far today.
The clashes are going on so I will try to dump new info as soon as it gets confirmed.
>>29465430
Edit that was Nagorno Karabakh Ministry of Defense
Here's the link https://twitter.com/Karabakh_MoD.
Will we see a great Kebab-Removal?
>>29465432
I can't seem to find Azerbaijan's MoD on twitter. Can someone post the link?
I bet the turks are behind this
>>29465362
Seems like Karabkh side has shot down an Azerbaijani drone around 06:30 GMT today..
Seems like those are the pics of the drone
>>29465455
>>29465460
this is pretty common no? seems like its been happening on and off for the past few decades
>>29465430
Azerbaijans MoD just stated that it incurred no losses of helicopters whatsoever.
Idk I have an Armenian because everything and anything is better than kebabs.
>>29465479
Well yeah.. The only difference now is the scale..
Till this year there was no engagement of tanks and heavy arty. Also the clashes were localized, however now both sides are investing into conflict much more, also the clashes are going on occupying the whole length of the front.. So we may see even more escalation unless Obama and Putin step in and slap the shit out of both sides.
>>29465493
where is this information coming from?
>>29465451
I heard a ton of theories including stuff like Aliev is BTFO by the oil prices and is trying to scare his subjects into submission through fuckery with Armenians.
>>29465514
MoD of Azerbaijan
MoD of Armenia
MoD of Nagorno Karabakh
Facebook and Twitter posts
News agencies like
news.am
rbc.ru
oxu.az
Well I generally tend to trust the Azerbaijani side less... Because well.. you know, kebabs. and their grorious khaliphat
>>29465473
What model of a drone is that?
>>29465522
yea sorry dumb question, should have checked the usuals first
so Azerbaijanis are kebabs... what does that make the Armenians?
I have no clue what im talking about here but would Armenia be the result of Russian anxiety about turkey? kinda how north Korea still exists due to Chinas fears of a pro NATO nation on its border?
i know that they are drastically different examples time wise but im just trying to wrap my head around the politics in the regions.
>>29465362
Armenia is a poor and powerless country.
>>29465539
What the hell are you talking about? Armenia has been around in one form or another since antiquity.
>>29465362
what was the name of that comic?
>>29465553
i have no clue what im talking about
please help
>>29465539
Armenia has a defence treaty with Russia, so if the situation escalates Russia will attack Azerbaijan.
Despite everything I doubt that Turkey will get involved.
>>29465555
nice digits
ctrl+alt+del loss, its a big meme now
>>29465559
Jesus, just read the wiki on Armenia.
>>29465541
Azeriroach detected
>>29465541
They were the worlds first christian state. Used to side with the Romans during Byzantine-Sassanid wars. It is quite ancient nation and used to have some small form of "success" at some points. Turks rekt them at the end of 1920 by going all gasoven on them. Google Armenian massacre.
>>29465539
There is a HUGE difference between Armenia and NK.
Politically wise Armenia is little different from Russian puppet-state seeing how Ruskies have a military base there. But it is a distinct nation with a distinct language that was there since forever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_Map_of_the_World
Although it is an oligarchic mess right now Armenia is still considered to be a widely christian populated democracy (like 96% of population are Armenian and christian.)
Azerbaijan is basically a turkish puppet state highly reliant on turkish supplies of Military equipment and expertise. The country is owned by the Aliev family and isn't very differen from a monarchy/dictatorship. The only religion is Islam. The country is sitting on huge reserves of oil and natural gas, so the military budget is bloated to the extreme.
The fuckery started when the USSR collapsed thus giving angry Azeris and Armenians a chance to finally get it on. The war ensued ending in Armenian victory and establishment of NKR. The conflict was frozen since then.
You can read about the war on Wiki, it is surprisingly accurate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagorno-Karabakh_War
>>29465561
Well if they do, a proxy war right on Russia and Turkey's border could get super interesting. Turkey has a stretch of border they could steamroll into Armenia and Russia has a stretch of border they could steamroll into Azerbaijan. Something tells me though Russia won't get involved directly unless Turkey does.
>>29465572
>Google Armenian massacre.
It is called Armenian genocide.
>>29465569
not that one, the one with the aggro as fuck guy that goes on killing rampages in every comic
>>29465559
Okay Ahmed here is your goat-brothel stamp. Now go and remember to molest your nephew tonight, 'kay? :-)
>>29465576
Jesus Christ how did the Azeris have so much Air superiority and still managed to get so BTFO?
>>29465579
Doom comic.
>>29465603
>>29465362
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=LafVHeK-e2s
It seems NKR has mobilized some heavy armor in Stepanakert. Is that a TOS at the start of the video?
>>29465576
yea that NK comparison was a bit far fetched but thanks anon
>>29465578
You are right, sorry for that. Here is something related to massacres ant he NK area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shusha_massacre
>>29465610
Looks like some T-62 based munitions carrier.
>>29465610
I dont think its a TOS, the top looks a bit small.
Could be bridge laying equipment or some other utility variant of the t72 maybe
>>29465620
Why is it going in front of the armored column?
Aren't munitions carriers supposed to go in the back or am I just retarded?
>>29465627
not in combat just yet, just moving stuff around. Remember its an artillery column so probably far enough away to not worry about positioning
>>29465610
That's not heavy armor you fucking nigger, those are spgs
>>29465630
Oh.. I think I get it, thanks anon-kun.
>>29465637
Go choke on your mom's dick, at least I'm trying to contribute to the thread
>>29465637
But yeah you ar right I'm retarded :'(
>>29465637
>>29465645
>getting this booty blasted
>>29465664
Armenian women are so qt I just want to cuddle one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=ioN8pzx1G50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDp_QlR8HZU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGhcfJFVbCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p27H8E3J_vA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc3l0REmIpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Q5W4cKfYc
>>29465906
>shit nations always have the dankest patriotic songs
meanwhile, we get toby keith
>>29465579
>:( aggro.
>aggro.
aggro.
aggro.
aggro..
speak like a normal person.
Here are some options
Aggressive, Angry, Rage(y), Hostile, fucking pissed off, hateful, wrathful, it goes on.
PS.
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
also
Its your world now. Im the old generation finally. time to watch the sunset. fucking aggro...help us all. 1984 duckspeak bullshit going on.
ree.
>>29465455
>>29465460
>>29465473
I WANT ME A FUCKING DRONE NOW
>>29466238
>t. Redditor
>>29465572
>They were the worlds first christian state.
Eh, wasn't it Georgia? Armenia must be pretty close though.
>>29465522
We beat the Azerbaijainis twice already. They're fools if they want to further escalate the conflict. Let's hope th VAHAN gets some action
>>29465362
I hope the Armenians win
>>29465539
Azerbaijainis are just another subspecies of turkroaches. Armenians are considered Indi-European Caucasians
>>29466302
>we
WUZ
>not watching azerbaijani komandos show right now
http://tv.atv.az/az/live?lang=live
>>29465592
Muslims suck at conventional high tech war. If they can't hijack an airplane or stick a sword in someone they're probably going to lose.
>>29465362
Fellow halfbreed here (Puerto Rican-Armenian), my father was adopted and we seek to find our former family. I also seek to gain citizenship legally, what are my chances of serving their military?
The turks are gonna pitch a shitfit.
>>29466291
Nope Georgia wasn't even there
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsacid_dynasty_of_Armenia
>>29466331
KEBAB REMOVERS AND SHIET
But actually that doesn't apply last war was like 1994.. So it's essentially the same as USA going WE WUZ DESERT STORM AND SHIET
>>29466365
You've got huge chances as they are in constant need of high quality manpower. But the job pay is shit and the army holds on patriotism and understanding that if they fail it will be 1915 all over again.
>>29466365
I think there is a Ministry of Diaspora in Armenia.
Try to contact them, friend.
Here's the link
http://www.mindiaspora.am/en/index
Once again instead of reveling in the glory of combat and carnage you people have to drag it through the mud of politics.
>>29465362
Posting some new photos
Seems like Armenian side repelled a diversion attempt, the Azeri side retreated leaving dead bodies behind
>>29466611
So it's pretty much turkish proxies vs russian proxies? I'm so tired from this proxy shit.
>>29466573
Right now pay isn't as important, I'm more interested in ensuring protection for my family from my father's side. The Azerbaijanis have been growing aggressive lately, last thing I want is family members dead.
>>29466587
Thank you, this will help me alot.
>>29466618
Even more dead bodies.
Next post the photos of Another drone.
Someone post some data from the Azeri side all I can find is in roachspeak.
>>29466628
The drone. The make is the same but the damage is different (at least it seems that way). Also why are those drones so intact? Did Armenians just hack the shit out of them?
>>29465430
Azerbaijan have a lot of modern Russian equipment. Especialy AA and MBT's.
Why would you arm your ally rival?
>>29465455
>>29465460
>>29465473
>>29465535
I can't identify the drone. Wiki says the use Israeli shit, but it doesn't seem to look like anything.
Straight wing, reverse V tail, nose camera. Dunno.
>>29466622
Now listen here...
NKR is basically armenian proxy which is russian proxy while azerbaijan is turkeys proxy.
So this makes it a Proxy-proxy war..
>>29466647
Most of equipment is left over from the USSR period.
And Russia has a long history of being a trustworthy partner... not.
>>29466647
The Soviet Union back then was in support of Azerbaijin than Armenia. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia became more in favor of Armenia. Either way, both countries are former Ex-Soviet Satellite States, and Putin's trying to maintain peaceful relations on both sides. Either way, if Azerbaijin decides to go on the offensive, Putin will have to put Azerbaijin down due to Russia's defense pact with Armenia
>>29466650
Look like Israeli Elbit Hermes 450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLE1ohdFvbM&feature=youtu.be
Here's the video. Not sure if it has already been posted.
>>29466676
The wing doesn't look the same, and it's too big. That one is human-sized.
Thales Watchkeeper looks more similar, but again too big.
I'm hoping that Russia gets involved so then turkey gets involved and as soon as they're about to launch their attack they're like "ay yo NATO gimme a hand over here" and NATO says "oh you didn't hear the news? We dropped you from NATO about, oh, 35 minutes ago. Well have fun" and Turkey has to take on fucking Russia by itself
>>29466675
>Putin's trying to maintain peaceful relations on both sides
By selling 100 T-90's to Azeris?
>>29466688
>No hand grip
Its either bought from the Israelies or bought from the Turks.
>>29466701
The camera displacement is also different as well as the propulsion system and the intakes
Just a heads up, in case anyone comes across this video, it's from an incident a year ago or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZctLBsJXPY
>>29466701
>Watchkeeper
The forward camera is what makes it really different. Although it may be some kind of custom-built variant
>>29466748
Oh I remember that one.
Didn't Armenians organize a rescue operation and brought back one of the pilots?
http://news.am/eng/news/240580.html
Here's the link.. I think..
>>29466741
Ye there seems to be one intake on the bottom close to the wing root.
>>29465460
>>29466762
I meant top.
>>29466688
What's that thing on 00:23
RECENT DEVELOPEMENTS:
>more than 100 armenian terrorists are destroyed by azerbaijan armed forces
>#Karabakh army caused more than 200 losses to #Azerbaijan. Only in #Talish they lost 30 special servicemen.
>one attack helicopter shot down by Armenians
>Azerbaijan army continues advancing, several strategic places taken.
>Azerbaijan bombed school in Karabakh
>Yerevan recruiting offices calling up military reserves
>Karabakh army destroyed Azerbaijan 4 tanks, 2 drones & 2 helicopters so far
>>29466711
He has been advocating for both sides to cool down (Like that'll stop shit), while giving assitance on both sides to "manage" the ground situation and maintaining the status quo. IIRC, the selling of weapons was a direct response to the Armenian government discussing about signing an association agreement for the EU. It didn't took long for the government to change minds and scheduled a unification for Russia's Customs Union afterwards. Meanwhile, Russia is trying to gain influence in both Armenia and Azerbaijin through arms trade on both nations, but specifically to Azerbaijin so they can attempt to remove political influence from Ukraine, Turkey, Israel and the US. If Russia lets Armenia fall, it'll be political suicide, giving the Turks/NATO (Hypothetically if NATO joins) direct access to Russia from the Caucus, while losing influence and military presence there. No Armenia=No buffer state.
>>29466830
>Yerevan recruiting offices calling up military reserves
Nope. That was disproved. Gimme a second.
>>29466830
>Armenian terrorists
Sounds like Azeroach propaganda
Finally found the dumb UAV.
It's Israeli Bluebird Thunder B.
>>29466910
Nope not that one look at the upper part just before the V-tail.
>>29466910
Pretty much a dead ringer, although the engine looks like it's different from the one in the video.
>>29466830
Care to provide links to the twitter posts?
>>29466930
its probably a monkey model
>>29466938
>https://twitter.com/Karabakh_MoD
Not that guy but the link has been posted in da thread before.
See
>>29465432
No idea about Azeri source though.
>>29466930
It's just a different model.
Here you have with the same small intake.
>>29466962
Thank you based anon!
>>29466961
Ah, I gotta get myself some new eyeballs.
>>29466953
You forgot the >
>>29466624
Good luck anon. Let the god's of kebab removal guide you on your way.
Posting casualties from Azerbaijin.
>>29467039
Damn son, where'd ya find this?
https://twitter.com/Zinvor/status/716240452085743617
>>29467039
So far, casualty count two Mi-24 Assualt Helicopters, four tanks, 2 drones, 200 servicemen and 30 "special servicemen" in Talish according to the Karabakh MoD. Still searching information from the Azerbaijin side
>>29467051
Twitter, I was searching for information on thw Azerbiajaini MoD account to see what they were denying/sayinf
>>29467055
It seems to me that Azerbaijan is just claiming the loss of 12 servicemen and 1 Mi-24
I've lost the link for now.
Small countries fighting... So comfy.
>>29465900
I have an Armenian girlfriend. Can confirm it is absolutely A1. She's wife material too
>>29467075
Don't worry I found the post from a reposter in the comments sections
>https://mobile.twitter.com/Zinvor/status/716251633529839617
>>29466238
I just caught autism thanks
>>29467069
Ah I see, thanks. Link to account?
Azeri (I assume) poster @Ulvi8 posted this map on twitter implying the capture of Talish.
>>29467117
>https://mobile.twitter.com/katyapoghosyan/status/716290179670126592
>https://mobile.twitter.com/aniavetyankh/status/716292418497282049
>https://mobile.twitter.com/Eire_QC/status/716297357277732866
>>29465455
>>29465460
>>29465473
I haven't seen one of these before
>>>/pol/69695534
Welp, first /sg/ now we have another general for what's going on in Armenia on /pol/. These guys are getting soilurces left and right
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=http%3A%2F%2Faa.com.tr%2Fen%2Fworld%2Fazerbaijan-retakes-land-occupied-by-armenia%2F548277
>>29467175
That looks more like shitposting to me.
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/716301156771885056
AFP: 18 ethnic-Armenian soldiers killed in Karabakh clashes: Armenian president
>>29467192
Shitposting, yes, sources, also a yes. Better than nothing, I just gotta skim through the trash to find the ocassional posted sources.
>>29467207
and 35 wounded
>>29467189
Definitely not proxy war lads.
>>29467351
I hate this so much. Just have a war already! You both want it! Come on!
>>29467189
Thanks for the kek from that picture.
https://twitter.com/Arm_tab/status/716306869720059908
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwGkdWw9aQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMpxGgY4cFg
>>29466675
>The Soviet Union back then was in support of Azerbaijin than Armenia
>both countries are former Ex-Soviet Satellite States
Both countries were PART of the Soviet Union, more or less like the US States.
Armenian side of the news
>200 dead azeri, 1 BM-21 MRL and 2 tanks destroyed, 1 helicopter shot down, plus some other hushed tidbits about the loss on the armenian side
Azeri side of the news
>100 dead armenian, 6 tanks and 15 artillery pieces destroyed
>12 azeri dead
>>29467620
Yes they were, but the Soviets were in favor of Azerbaijin oreventing Armenia from seceding from the Soviet Union. Not to mention that Gorbachev preferred Azerbaijin rule of Armenia as one satellite state
>>29467370
No kidding.
>>29468244
Doesn't matter.
CSTO, Russia has a defense agreement with Armenia and has troops in Armenia. Azerbaijan will get fucked by Russia
>>29468290
The Soviet Union and Russia aren't the same, despite the same amount of shady work. Russia doesn't want Azerbaijin to attack Armenia, otherwise they'll lose their influence on Azerbaijin and are forced to fight them due to the defense pact. What Russia wants is to remove Azerbaijin from Turkish and Western influence, and have both countries under their wings. Hence why Russia is trying to promote peace between both nations while megotiating business with Azerbaijin and Armenia.
>implying military capabilities matter in this conflict
On paper Armenia/NK should have gotten totally wrecked in the 90s.
they werent
>>29466705
NATO doesn't apply when Turkroach is on the offensive. They won't do shit. They cried to daddy NATO and got told to get bent when they shot down Russia's plane in Syria.
>>29469898
They do have an assitance treaty with Azerbaijin in case it were under attacked. If Azerbaijin invades Armenia and Russia strikes at their forces, chances are we're going to have a modern Russo-Turkic war.
>>29469898
>They cried to daddy NATO and got told to get bent
NATO leaders explicitly stated Turkey has the right to defend itself.
>>29469997
Makes sense. ISIS is Turkroach after all so I could see why they'd engage Russians bombing terrorists.
>>29470027
This is where you pretend Russia did more than a token bombing of ISIS, or that it was a victim for flying bombers into Turkish airspace despite being warned off.
