http://www.strawpoll.me/10602728/r
VERY IMPORTANT POLL
NON-EUROPEANS NEED NOT APPLY, THANK YOU
Gas orangefags.
>implying Burger aren't going to swarm this
>>61389443
no i wrote they are not allowed in this thread
Remove EU
Empire or bust.
Long live the EU!
Farewell Britannia!
thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEE58RRFZkM
If you support EU, you're for the extermination of the European race and its replacement with Negroes and Arabs.
>>61389315
>>61389498
I'm gonna fuck your poll like I fucked your mom's mouth last night.
>>61389960
>muh /pol/ memes
inb4 you start spamming memegraphs about some figures marginally related to the foundation of the EU and quoting eurocrats out of context
>>61390126
m-mods?
>>61390126
Reported for racism
...so how do we fix EU (inb4 by destroying it)?
>>61390333
Let people vote for a EU government.
Protip: they will vote for one that blocks immigration from sandnigger land.
>>61390333
I wrote a proposal here >>61386770, but the post seems to be longer than the attention span of the people who come here.
Or it may have been a bad suggestion, I don't know.
>>61390442
I'm not sure about the double euro, but I agree about the other things. I would like to have an EU that supports both nationalisms and Euro-pride, saying something like "our culture is inferior" (see sweden) or "arabs are an enrichment" (see germany) should be considered treason against Europe and the Country.
>>61390137
It was the EU that proposed fining member states with hundreds of thousands of Euros for each rejected refugee.
>>61390771
proposed, but didn't pass, lot's of dumb shit gets proposed in our parliament too
it works as intended - democratically
>>61390733
The double Euro is mainly because it is impossible to objectify for people like the Greeks how much they benefit from the EU.
They have been granted an extreme amount of funds, yet fail to look past their austerity measures.
I think there are substantial differences between Germanics and Romance peoples that prevent us from having the same currency, but I do have a great belief in that we should help and support each other, and that the only way we can impact the world in this century is by working together under a strong EU.
i think the biggest issues for the EU are all more or less connected to immigration. so if we could find some kind of consensus on a common line on immigration, it could work. but that will happen only if a compromise is met in between german and swedish retardation and hungarian brutalism. so it all hinges on people making sacrifices to support the greater goal.
>>61391038
*extra-European immigration, obviously
>>61390991
We are not all like Greece, if you want to see who benefit from funds look to east.
>>61391134
Poland is actually making great progress. Any funds going there seem to be a good investment.
Plus they really seem to appreciate the EU for the most part.
>>61391206
Mmm ok Poland is improving but what do we do with Greece?
>>61391478
we keep trying
>>61389315
Other than "muh power", give me one reason why Europe should federalize. LITERALLY ONE valid reason.
Pro-tip: You cannot.
>>61391478
They are improving too, albeit slowly.
Their crisis was mostly the problem of the US housing crisis in general, which completely killed tourism for a while. Seeing as tourism is one of Greece's main sources of income, it was expected that they'd suffer.
The actual thing that caused their problem is a bit more complicated. Bear with me if you're interested, otherwise skip this paragraph.
The Greek government used to support their socialism and net government spending by devaluating their currency every now and then. When a government devalues its currency, the value of all the government loans decreases of course. This makes devaluating an effective way of decreasing your debt, given that it has been agreed upon in your own currency.
The downside to this is that you lose investor's trust. After a few devaluations, investors will note that their loans aren't actually returning as much as they'd hoped, and will only offer more loans if the government pays them a higher interest.
Now Greece joined the Euro. The Euro had much higher stability and credibility, so suddenly they were able to receive loans with much less interest on them, creating the illusion that they were now able to loan more money for the same price.
Once they hit their old roof however, they found out that they in fact could not devaluate the Euro on their own.
If the southern European countries have their own currency, they could devaluate it all they like. It will still hurt their economies, but in a way less obvious to the general people, and they wouldn't need to receive aid from the north with austerity measures attached. In short, it would decrease discontent with the EU, allowing us to keep everyone on board.
If I haven't lost you by now, congratulations for reading all this. Hope it was interesting, but I think it might be too complicated for some people.
>>61391675
give me one reason why the netherlands should be a country.
>muh power
my friend "muh power" is, like, 90 percent of politics.
>>61391877
>greece
>greece
>greece
>all u southern cunts
yea fuck off we got more industry than france and uk
>individual countries can no longer think for themselves or become empires in their own right
Please remove eu
Kill yourselves.
You hold back your own country and your own people. Everyone fucking laughs at us because only in Europe and in America do we oppress the majority population and their heritages.
>>61389315
Krauts, please. Stop trying to invade Yurop
T. Spain
>>61391932
I don't mean it like that, I think more Southern European countries would like to devaluate their currency.
Don't you have solidarity with Greece and Spain?
>>61390843
>burglar tries to break into a house
>it's impossible
It must be a nice burglar after all.
>>61391877
>If the southern European countries have their own currency, they could devaluate it all they like. It will still hurt their economies, but in a way less obvious to the general people, and they wouldn't need to receive aid from the north with austerity measures attached. In short, it would decrease discontent with the EU, allowing us to keep everyone on board.
I don't think we have so many common interests plus it would damage our trading with the north and our banks. I would put in the second euro zone the east and not the south as Greece is closer to countries like Romania then to Italy, we could wait few years until countries like Poland will be ready for this new currency and create a second euro-zone.
>>61392213
you're swiss, right? so you know where the "parler" in "parliament" stems from? they are supposed to be discussing dumb ideas there. that's how you find out that they are dumb.
>>61391877
>creating more special snowflakes like UK
Sorry mate, but you're either in or out.
>>61392101
>more Southern European countries would like to devaluate their currency.
if we were to get back to lira our country would fall apart from interests, stop memeing you ignorant fuck
>>61392304
That could also be a solution tbqh.
As long as Greece is able to devaluate their currency, yet still somewhat experiences the benefit of a common currency, it's fine with me.
Spain seems not to like the EU too much either, though.
>>61392520
I'm not proposing everyone to go back to their old currencies.
>>61392607
>I'm not proposing everyone to go back to their old currencies.
it would be even worse since OUR central bank would have to handle those shitholes with no economy
I clicked no4 because I like red.
>>61392681
Alright, Italy is significantly different from Spain and Greece in the way that it might not want to devaluate its currency.
It just seemed nice to have a more geographical way to divide the Euro.
>>61392876
>geographical
that's why /int/ can't into economics
>>61389315
There isn't much benefit for federalization.
I gain nothing by transferring my government from Riga to Brussels.
I won't even meme about scary eurocrats or anything. Foreigners have proved to be poor governors of my land.
There has to be a mechanism to keep the central government in check and it is absent in a fully federal Europe.
>>61392918
Mate, I ceded my point. The correct way to respond would be to agree, not to rub it in and punish me for taking a reasonable stance.
The british are European traitors. Good riddance to those pompous fucks
>>61392924
i'm aware that i'm kind of pulling a "no true scotsman" here, but you have to admit that noone knows exactly what a federalized EU would look like. it would obviously be quiet different from what it is now. so, honestly, if someone can come up with a functioning system, a sensible constitution etc, i would support it. i think if power was distributed to evrery member more fairly, and not based on economic influence, everyone would gain uiet a lot.
>>61393044
fuck this never happened to me before
>>61389315
>NON-EUROPEANS NEED NOT APPLY, THANK YOU
You just made it so all Amerifarts and Faggy leafs post in the pole.
Great job OP.
I am ready to bet that your poll already made it to /pol/ and they are going to troll the result.
>>61393117
You are german.
Of course you'll have a voice in a federal europe. You'll probably be at the heart of it.
I can almost guarantee no one caring about interests of estonians or latvians. For example, there are more people living in Berlin, than there are in Latvia and Estonia combined.
I agree with you about the no one knows how it would look part, however, there has to be a reason for it to be established.
The question shouldn't be "How a federal europe would work?", but rather "Why a federal europe is needed?".
>>61392350
Yes, I'm Swiss. It wasn't just a dumb idea, it was a very destructive idea.
>>61393386
that's why it was rejected
>>61393289
a federal europe is no necessity, no more than a federal germany is. we could all focus on our national efforts, we could even be very successfull in doing so. we have a right to do so. but we also have a right to work together, to form a community where we help one another out. why should we do that? because, i, personally, feel very at home throughout all of europe and i would like political reality to reflect that. that's all. i feel like a european, therefore i want to live as a european. i want to be able to hop on my bike and drive all the way from munich to kiev without ever feeling like i am leaving the place where i belong. and everyone who disagrees with me, who doesn't feel at home anywhere other than his country, is just as right as i am.
>I can almost guarantee no one caring about interests of estonians or latvians
that's why i would require a voting system that respects the requirements of smaller nations. i don't know what you could base that on, but im sure it's somehow possible. i feel like the german-franco dominance in the eu right now is not just at all. that would have to be one of the very first things to be rectified.
>>61393386
>no one every proposes dumb shit in the Swiss parliament
>>61393731
You can't always win when bad people with bad ideas are around. It's better to leave as long as you're not damaged.
>>61393760
>i, personally, feel very at home throughout all of europe and i would like political reality to reflect that. that's all. i feel like a european, therefore i want to live as a european. i want to be able to hop on my bike and drive all the way from munich to kiev without ever feeling like i am leaving the place where i belong.
I love you Hans.
Non-Balkanians are foreigners to me. I just don't see the point.
>>61393760
this
>>61393906
i love you too, mario
>>61393760
Great post tbqh.
>>61393760
In that case, spread that message of peace and understanding, brother.
I wish there were more people like you in the world.
>>61394153
>>61394128
>>61394042
happy to hear I'm not the only one who feels that way
>>61393760
Your opinion is based on feelings. When you are in kiev and you arent from Ukraine, you are a foreigner and that is not going to change never. Your home is germany not Europe.
>>61394363
>you are a foreigner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1KWtG66lEQ
>>61394363
You're ruining the peaceful moment of daydreaming the guy brought on with his demagoguery and idealism.
Shoo.
>>61394483
>demagoguery
>>61394363
and in germany my home is nürnberg. and in nürnberg my home is the barrio X. and in my barrio X my home is the street Y. and in the street Y, my home i the house Z. and in the house Z, i have a spot in the kitchen where i am the absolute comfiest. and none of these truths contradict each other. the further i stray from my "home", if you would like to imagine that as a singular point on a map the more of a foreigner i become. but that doesn't mean anything. there is no adequate word in the english language for the german word "heimat". i could explain it better if i could use "heimat" instead of home.
>>61393760
>i want to be able to hop on my bike and drive all the way to the next welfare state
Me too hans.
We're all european after all.
>>61394725
>Rat_Race
Ah shit man, thats one of my favourite movies when I was a kid, I dont watch movies at all these days, but seeing that image makes me want to watch it.
>>61391903
>give me one reason why the netherlands should be a country.
Because all of its inhabitants share a culture, customs and a history.
Now tell me what someone from Amsterdam and someone from a Romanian village in bumfuck nowhere have in common.
>>61396073
>tell me what someone from Amsterdam and someone from a Romanian village in bumfuck nowhere have in common
They can have a child together.
>>61393117
There are some countries that are more amenable to the idea of a federal EU than others, there is nothing stopping some countries going forward in a unifying effort while others watch from the side to see if it works, obvious first guinea pig should be Poland
>>61396073
a fuckload. they have been through the era of enlightenment, through the thirty years war. they have fought against and lived under the romans. they have similar traditions in many ways, many of which stem from the same religious background. they have been part of the renaissance (maybe not as a main factor, but they have been there). they have been at the heart of a world war not once but twice. they write in a similar alphabet. they have contributed to european schools of philosophy, literature, architecture, engineering,... they have their root in classicism.
there are hundreds of things they have in common, but we don't normally see them because they are so highly ubiquitous to us.
i think a businessman from amsterdam has more to do with a businessman from romania than a businessman from amsterdam has to do with a beggar from amsterdam.
>>61396514
god not poland. if it doesn't work, the butthurt will be unimaginable. and if it works we'll get to listen to poles babble about how their fathers were "european pioneers" for hundreds of years to come. and the worst part is that they wouldn't even be wrong.
>>61389315
The Eternal Teutonic strikes again, this time he eyes continental domination!
Beware the Kraut and his Germanic trickery
>>61393760
I could almost see myself getting behind something like your vision. Not having my country join of course, but not loathe it like what I fear the EU is becoming.
I fear that both the french and the german elites don't share your vision, and that they have no interest in letting go of their dominant position.
>>61391134
Please don't spread antipolish propaganda.
>>61391206
This, thank you.
>>61396862
Reconquista 2.0: kick kraut out of Iberia when?
>>61396880
one can dream
>>61397076
And it's a nice dream. I just don't expect it to become real.
>>61397029
When this shitshow of a union starts to collapse and the Germs get more tyrannical to stop more countries from leaving
>>61389315
>European federalism
You mean Germany+France and the rest as vassals? No thank you.
>>61397111
that's what makes it a dream.
also, nice digits
>>61397114
Ok, it seems Germany will start a new world war.
>>61397196
Do you wanna lose another World war?
>>61397298
That's Warmany for you.
>>61397298
it doesn't have to be a world war
>>61397298
>>61397376
And what do you want? Clinging to regional national identity when there are one billion Chinese and one Billion Indians and 300M USians and 150M Russians?
>>61397444
We're only 11 million, senpai.
>>61397414
We will be in the next, Dont worry. You didnt suffer a civil war.
>>61397444
Yes. That's exactly what I want.
The nations of europe can ally themselves without becoming a union.
>>61397521
History says they can't.
>>61397559
History also says they can't be united.
>>61397521
The nations of Europe are lost without a common cause. I mean, I'm OK with Switzerland remaining outside of multi-national organizations, that's your thing, you are in the middle of Europe, you can allow yourselves that.
>>61397444
I am not closing myself the door of Superstates but not with Yurop. We can make a political union with our olds colonies, it is better and is more natural because WE REALLY SHARE CULTURE AND LANGUAGE.
>>61397633
you really think you and i have less in common than you and a mexican or argentinian?
>>61397609
but we are more united at the moment than we have ever been before, senpai.
>>61397703
We are closer to Latin america than Europe. In fact, My region is very close to latin america culturally speaking. Their accent came from my region and our culture is more or less similar.
>>61396618
>they have been through the era of enlightenment
The Netherlands has only been a true democracy since 1917, Romania didn't embrace the "Enlightenment" until after the Cold War. Yeah... nice. We have about 2 decades of history in common in the broadest sense of the word. Considering the American Constitution drew inspiration from the Dutch Republic (among others), we might as well sign up to become the 51st state?
>Thirty Years War
Yeah... nah. First of all there was no Romania back then, second of all Wallachia (the closest thing to Romania) was too busy with the Ottomans to bother with the Thirty Years War. Thirdly, it's A FUCKING WAR. We went to war with Indonesia all the time. Do we need to sign up to become an Indonesian province too?
>Muh world war
Yeah.. the Netherlands was neutral in the first, and the second means we can now sign up to become a Russian Oblast?
>They write in a similar alphabet
You mean like the Vietnamese? Should we sign up to ... you know where I'm going here.
>they have contributed to european schools of philosophy, literature, architecture, engineering
Name one Romanian contribution in every field that affects me in the Netherlands. No googling. Also, I can also name such examples from a shitton of non-European countries.
>They have their root in classicism
Just like Turkey. 100% European!
>there are hundreds of things they have in common
And a thousand things that estrange them from us. Yet only a Europhile retard could claim a Romanian and a Dutchman have as much in common as someone from Rotterdam and someone from Groningen.
>>61397908
have you ever been to latin america? i haven't so I'll ahve to take your word for it.
>>61397954
this netherlander thinking his country would be anything without the EU lmao
yo cucks from countries the size of my backyard that oppose the EU:
you're meanigless by yourself, your petty nationalism doesn't hold a candle in the international context - for villages like your country, it is either the EU or fading into irrelevance
>>61397973
Let's start with the fact that Argentina and Spain both speak Spanish and have literally hundreds of years of shared history, not to mention the same religion. Are you seriously going to pretend a shithole like Latvia has more in common with Spain than Argentina?
>>61397973
I know very well latin americans. Make trust I have spoken with millions of them and I can say you, My region is even closer to some Latin american countries like chile than the rest of Spain.
>>61398121
>you're meanigless by yourself
Your point being? The choice we're being given is "be irrelevant" or "be irrelevant within a union where others dictate the law for you and your culture is increasingly marginalized". I'm fine with being irrelevant, thank you.
>>61397787
And it's already breaking apart.
>>61397908
>tfw the Portuguese Empire ended completely because of American and Soviet interests
Fuck this shit.
>>61397954
nld have a lot in common with a lot of countries all over the world. but my point is that many of these similarities seem to culminate in europe. it's the combination of all the ssimilarities i listed, not these similarities in themselves that i was getting at. there is such a thing as a european identity. i'm not saying that you and romania have been on the same side throughout history, i'm saying that the netherlands and romania have experienced a very similar spectrum of world history, they have been shaped accordingly. there is just no way around this historical proximity.
has it ever occured to you, that, geographically, eurpe wouldn#t even have to be called a continent? continents are normally seen as easily distinguishable landmasses, thats nothing you could say about europe. hard to say where it starts and where it ends. so why do you think it is called a continent then? hint: it has something to do with history, culture, identity.
>>61398364
Al least you had an empire in that age....
>>61398462
We used to own the world, Spainbro... ;_;
>>61398431
>but my point is that many of these similarities seem to culminate in europe
Explain how? Because it's an objective fact that the Netherlands has more in common with America than with Romanian in the fields of language (English is closely related to Anglo-Frisian), institutions (American Constitution and the Dutch Republic), culture, a relatively early reception of the Enlightenment, values, religion (both Protestant with a significant Catholic minority) and the fact that neither of us had anything to do with the fucking Soviet bullshit shitstorm.
If any union is culturally, historically, religiously and ethnically appropriate for Romania, it would be some sort of cooperation with Russia.
>>61398278
because of people like you. it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
>>61398127
that's exactly what i am saying. do you think the us have much in common with the uk? in many aspects, they could not be more different, take gun-laws as a common example. now compare these laws with those of other european countries.
>>61398133
talking to them isn't enough. i can#t substitute my travels to Latin America with posting in /lat/. things like language, religion etc, they don't really are what constitutes a culture. they only serve as fixpoints IN that culture, strictly speaking, as a means of orientation. culture itself is something very alive and vibrant, you have to be live it to understand it. it's not enough to just compare the history of, say, the netherlands and romania. everything you find there are just hints.
>>61398678
Iberians will rise again and then we will start to kill each orthers like the old times to end up being a shithole again.
>>61398795
>Iberians will rise again
I sure hope so.
>>61398773
Yes. The european people don't want to be united, which is why we can't be united.
>>61398773
>gun-laws
Now you're just grasping at straws. Gun laws within the united states are more different than the most restrictive state compared to England. In one state gun ownership is severely restricted, in the other you can openly carry military grade weaponry. I guess it's time for the US to split up due to irreconcilable cultural differences, huh? But somehow fucking Ireland and Bulgaria belong in the same Union.
>>61398855
Why would the bureaucrats of the EU let the will of the people get in the way of their plans? Are you seeing how hard British and European politicians are doing damage control after the Brexit? Many even want a second referendum, because they'll keep asking the people for their opinion until the people agrees with them.
>>61398773
> i can#t substitute my travels to Latin America with posting in /lat/
Kek, no. There are latin americans living in Spain and I know many things about their countries. I HAVE SPOKEN face to face.
>>61398936
The fools will try. I fear it'll cause another european war, and tear the EU apart.
Unless they're dumb enough to try it before they manage to create a real EU army, in which case it just falls apart without the war.
>>61399091
If that happens I'm deserting to Switzerland. I'm not dying for a bunch of cucks.
>>61398936
strangely enough, gun ownership actually seems to divide the american people quiet a bit. armed militias are most likely the biggest threat to american unity there is. and you express some bewilderment about this, LIKE MOST EUROPEANS. there are common factors between nearly all countries on earth. but only some of these factors are as deeply interwoven and interconnected as to constitute a culture. and the netherlands are a part of the european culture. they also have connections with other countries, but that is not the same. it's about the overwhelming mass of interpolarities that create the unifying backdrop called a culture. Latvia and Spain are part of the same culture because they both know what the name Robespierre means, because they sense its relevance to them at all times. because they are connected.
>>61398936
>Why would the bureaucrats of the EU let the will of the people get in the way of their plans? Are you seeing how hard British and European politicians are doing damage control after the Brexit? Many even want a second referendum
EU officially told Britain to just trigger article 50. It's British people that actually want to be back. EU can do nothing about it. Even if you ignore the referendum you have only yourself to blame.
>>61399394
>and you express some bewilderment about this, LIKE MOST EUROPEANS
Some, not all. Siwtzerland and Finland confirmed for 51st and 52nd states? Or is this a purely legal issue which has more to do with an interpretation of funndamental rights rather than actual culture?
>there are common factors between nearly all countries on earth. but only some of these factors are as deeply interwoven and interconnected as to constitute a culture
Oh my, it's almost like you're starting to understand why the EU makes no sense.
>Latvia and Spain are part of the same culture because they both know what the name Robespierre means
And Americans not only know what Robbespierre means, but have their own thinkers who agreed with Robespierre. Jefferson said that the tree of liberty regularly needs to be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants, Franklin said that those who are not virtuous are in need of kings moreso than the virtuous, who would be better off in a republic. What thinker does Latvia have who thought the same? Close to none, considering how long Latvia was under Czarist rule followed by Soviet rule. They've tasted Robespierre's fruits for 20 or so years. Spain, on the other hand, was pretty much the first victim of the Republican Rape Train.
Again, I still don't see how this makes Latvia closer to Spain and France than America. Your own Bismarck said that Europe is just a geographical expression. There is nothing that unites all of its peoples. At best we can differentiate between different cultural/ethnic/linguistic groups like the Latins and the Scandinavians, but that's where it all ends.
>>61397156
Yeah this, I would like it if everyone was considered equal, but we know there are first and second tier countries in the EU.
>>61399675
The EU didn't actually help us Iberians. It's not like our politicians are any better but a lot of shit wouldn't happen because there would be no EU money in for them.
>>61399649
okay, it's a difficult question at least in regards to some european colonies, I'll give you that. but isn't i exactly the point? that it's the fact that they are of european origin that mkes them similar to us in many regards? (even if not as similar to us by now, as a lot of time has passed since colonization and today, as we are to other european countries, i still hold on to that point) if you look at cultures that have rather definitely developed independently, chinese, indian, etc. the differences between them and europe and, by contrast, the universalities among europeans, become very obvious. what we call the "west" today is basically europe plus some of its colonies. and within the "west", europe holds a special status, as do north america, latin america, oceania. that's my argument.
>>61400285
So basically because the differences between the Netherlands and India are bigger than those between the Netherlands and Romania, the latter two should become one country?
Your reasoning is incredibly flawed. That's because you do not follow logic where it leads you. You start out with the conclusion that the EU is neccessary, and frantically try (and fail) to dig for evidence that supports this conclusion.
>Supporting the Eu
>Cucking your country even more
>My ancestors spent 800 years fighting for the right to rule ourselves and sovereignty
>mfw some faggots gave away in less than 100
>mfw they celebrate rebels still but basically spat in their face
>mfw there a memorial to British soldiers in Dublin because apparently they were victims of 1916 too.
>>61400498
i'm not saying a federated eu is necessary. I'm saying it is possible.
>>61400688
Post yfw EU was also the idea of Italy.
If the EU accepts every value and every religion and every everything it doesn't really have an identity. It's just a syndicate for making money. Who would actually want to die for the EU? Immigration and tolerance for everything was a huge mistake.
>>61400757
I suppose it was suppose to be Rome 2.0.
Rome never came to Ireland.
>>61389315
>Muh federation
France will elect right wing
All estern Europe say no
Italy 70% no
Spain idk
Muh Federation
>>61400841
Ah shit I need to get to bed, I cant even see flags straight.
>>61400860
>estern Europe
That's actually the new core of united Europe, Ivan Putinovich, us and our neighbors like the new-found freedom and travel and the mobility of business.
>>61400860
Majority of Poles want federation 2bh
>>61400937
Don't worry friend it is a common mistake.
Though I did mention Dublin in my first post.
>>61401163
Nie wiem gdzie żyjesz, ale nie.
>>61401163
A different one though.
>>61401190
Thanks irishbro, but as I said, I really need some sleep.
>>61401376
Tak mówią sondaże.
>>61401382
How different?
you need to stop this politically correct crusade and step reich up
>>61391206
>Any funds going there seem to be a good investment.
i don't want to break you heart there but many EU projects in poland are highly overpriced and some are just useless. Though a lot of EU fund goes back in revenues of old eu companies
>>61402366
they want federation because they imagine rivers of eu shekels
>>61403351
That will be the reality though.
you know a cheaper currency is a good thing for the export industry, why do you think Trump is so pissed at China for currency manipulation? Lower value for the pound means your products are cheaper to foreigners, increasing tourism, exports, incentivizing the on-shoring of manufacturing. If fact the only people who benefit from the overvalued pound are in the City of London, you know, bankers, which is why the media is fearmongering about it.
I thought you leftist types hate the super-rich, who are the only ones who are hurt by a long-overdue currency adjustment, but it's clear that the World Government project is higher on the progressive stack than the fuck-the-bankers shtick
it's an eye opener to be sure
