Why do you want 2% of the world's population to own 98% of the wealth?
Socialism should be outlawed like Fascism.
>>>/r/eddit
because im not a leftist faggot who wants to tax 90% to pay for some nigger/homos welfare
Name a good socialist country.
>Inb4 muh Scandinavia
Because that 2% is superior and should get to enjoy they're success
>>52101968
*their
>>52101876
Don't bother. The definition of socialism changes as it suits socialists. I was talking with a bunch, and when I said socialist was popular in Europe, using Euro socialist parties as an example, I got the usual "lol you don't know anything about socialism", because those parties aren't socialist!
Until they need to tell an American how great socialism is, of course.
there is a baseline definition
the difference comes from the interpretation of the baseline, which is "social" "ownership" of "production"
I posses a thing that is called in English a "brain", you probably never heard of it though
because socialism is the reason why my country is so behind the rest of europe, the reason many of my countrymen were killed during the martial law for believing in freedom and democracy for poland, for fighting the nazis on the wrong side (Armia Krajowa, NSZ, Western Allies - people from these armies were killed, even those who refused to join anti-communist organisations and wanted peaceful life in the people's republic)
it's the reason for millions of deaths, families torn apart, entire nation keked out of their identities
i hate socialism, communism and everything that these stand for and i hope every red scumbag on this earth dies a horrible, painful death
>>52101751
>Why aren't you a socialist, /int/?
Because of the bourgeoisie's cultural hegemony of course.
>>52102283
>because socialism is the reason why my country is so behind the rest of europe
I don't know. I'd like your progressive immigration laws. While we are letting in racist, homophobic, theocratic assholes by the boatload, you are enlightened enough to abhor such values!
>>52102261
>that pic
How come when I google "10 planks of communism" I get a bunch of conservative websites and nothing from serious ones?
>>52101751
But I am anon.
>>52102534
>bunch of conservative websites
>serious ones
pick both
>>52102615
Well it seems a bit strange that, for example, wikipedia says nothing about it if it is such an important part of the manifesto
At least it works to keep competitiveness in some markets
Socialism doesn't "click" with Americans because we never had Europe's class structure.
>>52101751
because I'm one of the 2%.
Why should I be against myself?
>>52101876
Germany
>>52102283
that's not socialism. It's called totalitarism.
>>52102885
>the american does it again
why do you want to share your wealth with leeches?
>>52103012
There is is! The magical NO TRUE SCOTSMAN!
Well, you heard him, after trying to implement socialism, getting support from socialists all over the world, and influencing socialist politics worldwide, the empire fell, making its ties to socialism inconvenient, and now it's no longer socialism.
Of course, because people tried to implement socialism and, by socialists' own admission, didn't achieve it is no reason at all to doubt the ideology, or even change it! No, everything is magically still OK with socialism, and it's just the right wing Nazi bourgeoisie that REALLY ruined it!
>>52103127
You live in a socialist country and nobody dies from it...
>>52101751
Because Socialism is for work-shy, economically-illiterate plebs.
>>52103496
The country that implemented more tenets of socialism wasn't socialist, but a democratic country with a few socialist parties is socialist? is Obama a socialist, too?
There you have it. Socialism just shapeshifts to being whatever is convenient for the person promoting it.
>>52103545
>muh economy
>muh HDI
>muh GDP
Fuck off.
>>52102890
>Germany
>socialist
>good
>>52103756
Socialism is a think form invented in the time of enlightment in France.
It's a moral system where the good of a group is seen as more important than the good of an individual.
There are much more rules and system applying to it but I will go with the explanation above.
I just want to mention that you have no idea what socialism is.
If you want to talk about the eastern block then say that you want to talk about the eastern block.
>>52103812
>muh cheka
>muh gulags
>muh famine
no u
>>52102261
I take it you havent read the manifesto then because it specifically talks about factors like that being transitional ones, and most importantly ones that arent set in stone.
Hence right after that list you see
>When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class; if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
>In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
problem is that I justifiably HATE most of the people I'm supposed to identify with by SJW logic
why would I want muslims in my country? they're the literal antithesis of human progress
>>52103023
Right. The French Revolution had as its basic underpinnings the notion that "The nobility and the Church are oppressing the masses. Get rid of them and...equality." However, equality of outcome was always a basic tenant of European society due to the feudal class structure, so the son of a king was a king and the son of a peasant was a peasant. Karl Marx really had no original ideas, he was just repeating the same ideologies of the FR (eliminate the exploiter class to create a fairer world).
Americans never had a caste system like this and have always had the notion that you can only climb to the top of the mountain and stay there by your hard effort.
>>52103914
>implying the french "democracy" after the revolution don't ended up in a totalitarian hellhole with masses killed.
>>52103888
As predicted at the start of the thread: >>52102056
Socialism is a totalitarian ideology that has killed millions worldwide. Even the socialists in Western nations are constantly trying to pass legislation that marginalises political opponents. So no, thanks. I'm fine without the oppressive assholes telling me how and when to take a shit.
>>52104065
>Americans never had a caste system like this
Have you never stopped to look around you?
>>52104044
According to socialists I knew: Because they are the fellow oppressed.
>>52104086
The revolution is not a dinner party.
>>52104130
86% of millionaires in the US are first generation so...meh.
>>52104065
Tocqueville was a little surprised as well at the difference in American culture vs Europe, that we did not have the same ideas of equality of outcome.
It's an outdated philosophy, developed in the context of the early stage of the second mode of economic activity, which was turned by its proponents into an ideology to keep it relevant. We're now on the cusp of the fifth stage of economic development and people still drag this shit out of the trash.
>>52104235
So? What you should care about is the general structure of the society, not the few who turned the hundred of thousands of their parents into millions.
>>52104130
You're right. Just today the Duke of Brazos Valley spat on me while I was delivering my tithe to the Cathedral.
>>52101871
>>52101876
>>52101968
>>52102283
I will never understand capitalist.
>they say socialism have failed but the worst hellholes on earth are capitalist countries. (Haiti, Jamaica, Paraguay, african countries, muslim countries, etc)
>they say their system if fair but I know people who work 9 hs in a factory for a shitty salary while equally educated people earn crazy amounts of cash because of their dads
>they claim we are leeches while capitalists can literally choose not to work all day because of financial speculation
>they say Cuba is a failed state even when the UN itself recognize that the revolution eliminated hunger and iliteracy
>they create wars to profit from gun industry
>they charge a lot of money for meds that can save your life
>in america they need a bad education system so people won't rebel against the establishment
>when finland, sweden and denmark give welfare to its citizens, they are "muh nordic master race", but when a 3rd world country does it in order to save their people from disaster, they are leeches.
and so on tbqhwy
>>52104351
>So? What you should care about is the general structure of the society
Proving my point right off the bat. As a Yuropoor, you have a difficult time conceiving of anything but equality of outcome.
>>52104087
>Socialism is a totalitarian ideology that has killed millions worldwide.
top kek
>socialist in the west
I don't know lad where you live but my salary would be less than half as much and my two month of holydays non-existend. Sorry but I enjoy my healthcare.
I also don't want to miss my shared profits (10k€ this year bonus) my christmas money (one extra salary) and of course my holyday money (extra money for holydays).
And of course if i have a serious illness I won't loose my work.
>tfw free education
>tfw cheap state loans for students
It's just a very little that I mention. If you want to live in your clay hut like an african then go there, Nobody forces you to live in the Netherlands.
top kek
>>52104592
>hey say socialism have failed but the worst hellholes on earth are capitalist countries. (Haiti, Jamaica, Paraguay, african countries, muslim countries, etc)
>those countries
>capitalist
Name a company based in Haiti or Ghana and name anything except agricultural products/raw materials that comes from there. There's no capitalism in those shitholes.
>>52104615
But there isn't equality of opportunity either.
>>52101751
>if youre not a socialist youre a crony capitalist
Le false dichotomy
Hello reddit!
>>52101871
that's not how progressive taxes work, nigger. read a book.
>>52101876
canada, new zealand and belgium
>>52104676
>implying they have the economic resources to start a big company.
I understand that works in America and it must be awesome, but those poor people don't have a chance to do the same. The just inherited their poverty the same way you inherited being a middle class / rich american
Socialism is an ideology for those who make poor life choices and want big mommy government to make all their decisions for them.
>>52104701
>>52104235
Hadn't you known that Steve Jobs was the adopted son of blue collar parents. I can go down the list of business entrepreneur and celebrities who came from humble backgrounds. A lot of our presidents were not born to privilege either. The current dummy for instance was the offspring of some white trash slut who had a chocolate fetish.
>>52104676
capitalism =/= Industrial society
>>52104836
Russia has nearly infinite resources and it always has been and always will be a shitpile because of their history/culture. Other countries like the Netherlands with no natural resources to speak of did perfectly well for themselves.
>>52104851
feels god to work only 35 hours weeks.
Damn I have so many time to enjoy myself.
What do you do btw?
>>52104931
>capitalism =/= Industrial society
Well obviously not, the Soviet Union was an industrial society and...yeah.
>>52104630
And how much of that existed in true socialist countries, like the USSR?
None of it. Because it all costs money. Hell, you're even talking about it like a dirty capitalist. Because capitalism is what made it all possible.
>>52104873
So, to you, the son of a poor celibate mother has the same chance of success than the son of a wealthy couple in some affluent part of the country?
>>52104964
Turk immigrant on welfare living the dream.
>>52104444
Top post, yuropoors will never understand
Also nice digits
>>52104964
I work as much or as little as I like, as I own my own business. Feels pretty good.
>>52101751
Solution=make breeding illegal for the poorest 95% and replace them with robots
>>52104996
>So, to you, the son of a poor celibate mother has the same chance of success
If he creates a product or a service that people will buy, then he has as good a chance as the next guy of living in Beverly Hills.
>>52105026
You can own your own buisness here too.
to give less wealthy people an advantage you also won't have to pay taxes for it in the first 5 years.
Of course if your buisness runs down the shitter you don't have to pay yourself out with your private wealth here.
Maybe you better come here with your buisness than doing it in risky USA.
>>52104996
>son of a poor celibate mother
So is he adopted, or are you just an idiot?
>>52105065
>If he creates a product or a service that people will buy, then he has as good a chance as the next guy of living in Beverly Hills
This is the American dream lad. And it has been dead for already quite a while.
The gini-index for the USA shows an chances inequality on a level of third world countries.
looks like dreams ain't real mug nigguh.
>>52105157
Like I said, >>52104615
>>52105139
People don't have to be in a couple to make babies you know. And if they do they don't have to stay a couple.
>>52105065
But that way of getting rich is very unprobable one, meanwhile getting educated, landing a job with connections etc... is a very much more frequent one. Do those two men have the exact same chance at getting rich?
>>52105220
>meanwhile getting educated is a very much more frequent one
>it's a bad thing to actually get an education so you can do something productive with your life
>asks me why I am not a socialist while browsing a private website, supported by private adds, accessing it through the internet provided by a private company and through a computer made by a private corporation, like all the software within it
First-world socialists are a fucking joke tbqhwyf.
>>52105210
Are you saying we have a bad living here?
>>52105265
No, it's a very good thing. The bad thing is that not everyone has an equal opportunity to get that education.
>>52105157
>The gini-index for the USA shows an chances inequality on a level of third world countries
The thing is, income inequality has been growing in Europe as well thanks to allowing in unrestricted Turd World immigrants. Sweden for example hardly had any income inequality pre-Somalis.
>>52105310
>The bad thing is that not everyone has an equal opportunity to get that education
Some people are lazy bums and won't ever accomplish anything. That's just how the world works. If you read your Darwin, some organisms will always have an inherent competitive advantage over other organisms.
>b-but Scandinavia is socialist!
Daily reminder that, without a capitalist system and a free-market, your beloved welfare state wouldn't exist. It still is a shit system, though.
>>52105106
Sorry, I prefer reaping the rewards of my efforts, being flexible, and generally doing things as I see fit. Think I'll stay in the US.
>>52105316
It's not about income inequality but about how likely a poor person becomes middleclass etc.
In the USA your are born poor and you will live poor and your children will be poor.
You are born middle class your children will be middle class and the children of your...
You know there is no social mobility.
btw my boss earns 7 times more than me on average. this is very good. in the USA it would be over 400 times more. this is "better".
topus kekus.
>>52105316
More accurately, income inequality has grown since the 70s because we don't control most of the world's wealth like we did in 1955.
>>52105387
>Sorry, I prefer reaping the rewards of my efforts, being flexible, and generally doing things as I see fit
Don't see anything here that would ne an obsatcle for this. Maybe the cheaper healthcare.
But well if you want to pay more of your money than stay in US.
>>52105376
>Some people are lazy bums and won't ever accomplish anything.
So you're saying that a very motivated and hard-working guy who was born poor in an uncultured family has the same chance of getting into a good university than a very motivated and hard-working guy born in a rich and culture family?
>>52104592
One of the few things keeping this country on its feat are the factories and industries that were built during egypt's short communist era under Nasser.
They provide self sufficiency for products that we would have rather imported and even created a possibility for export.
When the capitalist mindset first hit us, the industry has simply halted ever since. Why go through the hassle of building a factory when you can simply import what you need for china and invest your money in stock market and real estate instead? It is much more profitable, easier and you raep the benefits right away.
The entire country have been doing nothing for years but building tourist resorts, hotels and fancy real estate.
Then all it takes is a soda can filled with explosives planted on a tourist plane to ruin an entire country's economy and put thousands out of work and capitalists working in tourism demanding the government supporting by promoting tourism and lie about the security situation in egypt.
>>52105394
Every thread about America, it never fails. :^)
>>52105394
So it's not the GINI index you're looking for, but a social mobility thing
>>52105437
My parents were German. They immigrated to the US because the regulations over there made doing business impossible. They shut down the family business, moved to the US, and did very well for themselves.
>>52105316
And, of course, our socialised programs are demolished from the inside out now that we have reams of freeloaders coming in who never pay into the system. Yet this does not bother socialists, and they advocate more unrestricted immigration.
That's the part I really don't get. Modern Euro socialists do so many things that are patently against their supposed idealism. But point this out, and they will suggest making it illegal to even do so.
because i am an anarchist
>>52105463
>has the same chance of getting into a good university than a very motivated and hard-working guy born in a rich and culture family?
That would imply the children of the rich are hardworking and motivated in the first place. Most are bums like Paris Hilton and usually they squander their family fortune and return to nothing in two generations. It's not like Europe where nearly everyone in a position of wealth/power can count some feudal gentry in their ancestry.
>>52105540
And if you tried to do the same thing now, you'd be a bum
>>52105475
dude, we believe here that the average american is a fox news watching iliterate 500 pounds coloss.
Of course we know more about your country, you never left your home because your don't fit through the door.
>>52105288
>tfw when you are capitalist and you use a cellphone
>but realize that cellphones were created by communists
>>52105556
Don't dodge the question.
>>52105556
>a very motivated and hard-working guy
yes a lazy shit fuck has the same opportunity.
The diligent dude will clearly will get the better job tho.
>>52105575
Doesn't matter. They are full-private now, like everything else.
>>52105547
What socialists never realize is that multicultural societies always have lots of inequality because one group of people will own all the wealth while another is a permanent underclass. They glorify Scandinavia but don't understand that Scandinavian countries are (or were pre-immigration) totally homogenous and had small populations.
>>52105572
>muh Fox news
give it a rest hanz
>>52101751
Because I don't want 0.0000000000001% of the world's population owning 100% of the wealth and having to eat grass to survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzTC31JA7DY
>>52101871
>Ecology is bad and if you think it's good not to destroy the planet you're a leftist
What m8?
>>52105469
Just because you're stupid capitalists doesn't make capitalism bad. Exporting shit you build in your factories is capitalism all the same.
>>52105596
I already answered it. Kids who are born rich are lazy goof-offs since they already have everything they want so there's no hunger there to work for anything. Poverty breeds creativity and inspiration.
>>52105556
>It's not like Europe where nearly everyone in a position of wealth/power can count some feudal gentry in their ancestry.
But anon, the exact opposite is true. Without connections and private schooling, you're fucked in the States.
>>52105720
The first part of what he said is true tho
http://time.com/money/3925308/rich-families-lose-wealth/
>>52105625
They also forget that the socialised policies were made possible by self-contained Western cultures and economies during the post-war boom. For some reason politicians have this idea that whatever happens during their 4 year terms will remain that way forever. For the same reason we have completely destroyed our military, just when the world is flaring up.
And given that it's especially the left that's warning for chaos in the world due to climate change, it's fucking ridiculous that the left is also advocating leaving ourselves completely defenseless.
I just don't understand. Where-ever you look, these guys contradict themselves.
>>52105686
Equal opportunity means : "if the same guy was born in a different background, would he have the same chances?"
You can't get away from answering that question by saying "but those people aren't the same".
>Viva la revolution!!1!
>>52104592
>communism is the enemy
>communism threatened the USA's imperial grip on several countries in South America in favor of the people who live in those countries so we used military force and espionage to try to sabotage the whole thing and keep a steady supply of cheap commodities for the small ruling class of this country
>the propaganda machine is so strong that poorer people actually believe they deserve nothing
>think that hard work and optimism makes success, completely ignoring birthright and circumstance
The USA is one "court Jew" away from functioning like a feudal age state.
>>52105913
Then no-one will be equal until everyone has a literally identical background, which is fucking impossible. Which is also kind of the problem with socialism.
>>52105995
Which means that equal opprtunity is a sham and that only equality of outcome can exist.
>>52101751
Because syndicalism is better
>>52106025
Which is oppressive in its very nature.
>>52105995
but you can help people have better social mobility with free education and healthcare and shit.
Without stuff like that poor people are doomed to be poor unless they have a lot of luck or become criminals.
>>52105995
Of course not, but its a matter of degrees. Or in other words, how much does your background impact your chances.
In Canada, for example, pretty much anyone can go to University if they are smart enough. While its not free, there are shitton of grants and interest free loans to help you out. In addition you dont need 12 years of private schooling to make you competitive for University in the first place. Private schools do exist, but they dont make a huge difference.
Sure, given the same work ethic, a CEO's son will be more successful than a plumber's son. But in 2-3 generations it'll basically even out.
>>52105635
You will think different about socialism if some pays you 30k a years only to work less.
>>52106117
"Free" healthcare and education mean taking away 50% of the poor persons already small wage to pay for these things. Seeing as most of them would spend that money on beer and cigarettes if you gave it to them it's actually a good idea if you want to look at it that way.
>>52106192
It depends on how hard you tax wealthy and poor people.
I don't know about Austria but here alcoholism has no social class.
Socialism only good for homogeneous country like East Asia. In heterogeneous country, the majority will be cu.cked by minority.
>>52106140
>In Canada, for example, pretty much anyone can go to University if they are smart enough.
Too bad that's a tall order for the average Canadian
>>52106295
>Canadumbs
>>52106295
>smartest countries are all small and staunchly capitalist
No surprise there, I suppose.
>>52106182
>You will think different about socialism if some pays you 30k a years only to work less.
Wut?
>discussing the american IRS
>american goes on a tirade about how the IRS is terrible and incompetent and screwing everyone over and how obama wants the IRS to send people to death camps
>all the articles he posts trying to prove his point are either hoaxes, general articles about how the tax refund system works (refunds come within 21 days after filing paperwork, pretty fucking good considering the amount of people they're servicing) or a mistake with filing where 100,000 people in california got their healthcare premium information wrong in a form
>literally nothing to prove these alleged gross misconducts
It's as if americans have been conditioned to always act belligerent towards public organisations no matter what, like the famous pavlovs dogs.
Do they even realise how irrational this makes them look like?
>>52101751
I grew up.
>>52106738
t. Khulan Chinbat
>>52106295
>>52106342
IQ ****estimate****
while meaningful results prove otherwise
>>52106931
oh fuuug look out cleetus here gomes da islamig gommunism almost 8 years late but still fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuug obamaaa :DDDDDDDDDDD
>>52106738
They got caught in that weird twilight era of propaganda where it's really noticeable from the outside yet very effective if you just keep at it. Propaganda before was hilariously obvious, propaganda now is really hard to spot as such
>>52106945
Dude, dont engage him
>>52101833
You're a nutjob. You sure don't care about >muh freedom much at all.
>>52101876
Norway has the best living conditions on the planet. They stored their oil revenues into a fund, knowing that it wouldn't last forever. They can use that to invest in technology that can be used for future business.
>>52106984
I just find it hilarious how this type of propaganda probably originated from public organisations in the first place.
>>52106945
To be fair. ...
http://imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2015
>>52107248
half their team were chinks
leader: Po-Shen Loh
>>52106945
>Meaningful results prove otherwise
I agree
>>52107322
Half your college students are foreigners. To be fair, half our students study identity politics and gender studies.
>>52106342
We are stupid together.
>Why aren't you a socialist
I don't want to see humanity to succeed because I'm a misanthrope.
>>52101751
It seems to work.
>>52104592
Would you rather live in Argentina under Macri or Cuba under Castro?
Would you rather be a working class man in America or Venezuela?
>>52107725
I just want people from all countries to live an OK life, without hunger and iliteracy
>>52107593
>socialism works
>>52107593
Diminishing returns
Socialists are degenerates.
TRUMP 2016
>>52101871
There is nothing wrong with Reddit.
>>52101751
Our local socialists are shit tier maoists who can't plot a working agenda. All they do is to recruit edgy kids at the uni or threaten farmers to join them. They also loot warehouses and villages like niggers.
I am one.
But our parties are shit tier. We have peaceful sovietwankers (Especially stalinwank and brezhnevwank) from CPRF, numerous irrelevant euroleftists, trotskyst sects, "Left Front" (another useless organization that doesn't worth shit).
