Communism, the theory , vs
the application.
We can generally agree that the attempts failed for the most part.
But a detailed view of the mechanism for how each slightly different approach failed will help refine the theory.
Please catalog examples of earlier attempts in history
And do your best not to simplify the narrative
>>527265
No one has been able to cement revolutionary political gains without a transition to authoritarianism. Communism preaches botton-up rule until it gets power. Then those same things become threats to the revolution.
Instead of addressing this contradiction head on, Gramsci ramified it, creating the school of thought that basically you NEED an intelligencia to run things, and to create class contiousness in the first place. Variations of this have now been the dominant school of Marxism since the 2nd half of the 20th century. So they learned, they just learned the wrong lesson.
>>527308
>Gramsci ramified it, creating the school of thought that basically you NEED an intelligencia to run things
Way to misinterpret what an organic intellectual is.
Good job. Read Gramsci next time.
>>527354
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This has nothing to do with the subject.
So what are the origins of the nation state? Why this form proved to be the most successful? Are there any exceptions?
>>527029
Westphalia.
The ability to marshal capitalism.
Transnational capitalist and proletarian institutions.
>>527029
>nation state
>most successful
it organizes you to stop people from stealing your crops, it quickly gets out of hamd
Just how and why did Europeans come to hold lions in such high regard? How did a animal not native to the continent end up being the symbol for kings and royalty?
>>526171
>how
Lions historical range was pretty large so I'd imagine lions would have been relatively well known since prehistoric times
>why
Because they were an apex predator and look majestic
Lions used to roam over southern europe until the Greeks and Romans exterminated them
Lions have lived in Europe since prehistory
Truthfully, the bear was more highly revered until the early middle ages
>>526186
But lions in Europe were extinct by the time western Rome fell, and there is no proof that the lions in your picture look like the ones found in sub Sahara.
Wolf and bears are also apex predator,they also look majestic.
Has childhood indoctrination had a net positive or negative effect on society? Not just religion, any ideology throughout history.
>>525968
Positive, but only because of the most basic functions of it, not the appropriation of the potential for indoctrination for a multitude of purposes.
Having gullible children that will take it at face value that 'you shouldn't swim in the river because there are crocodiles' or 'don't eat random mushrooms' rather than question it and 'test it for themselves' would seem to be a necessity.
>>525988
>Having gullible children that will take it at face value that 'you shouldn't swim in the river because there are crocodiles' or 'don't eat random mushrooms' rather than question it and 'test it for themselves' would seem to be a necessity.
That's not indoctrination into an ideology.
>>525968
Positive, but only because of natural selection.
Rich parents make it difficult to discern environment from genetics/culture, but when it has been going on for this long, waning but always waxing again further down the line, you know they are doing something right.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/20/oxfam-85-richest-people-half-of-the-world
mootnote: Obama is related to King John so let's all accept genetics plays a role and not get into any race bait or /pol/-tier nonsense.
What were the weirdest experiments that actually happened? Preferably from WWII era but everything is welcome.
>>523604
Stuff like the Soviet Flying-tank you mean?
>>523604
cia mind control drugs
>>523611
Yes what was that even supposed to achieve?
So the fall of Constantinople is the fault of greedy Venetians?
Are they the aquatic Jews of the past?
>>523124
No.
No.
>>523124
Yes
Yes
>>523124
What was the 4th crusade for then?
What does good and evil even mean anymore?
>>523089
it never meant anything in the first place
>>523094
>inb4 /thread
How were these terms even made then?
>>523089
Good is what you like and evil is what you dislike.
How could anyone have ever thought monarchy was a good idea?
look up the word church.
If you have a single family of accumulated wealth and political power and significant noteriety, who becomes king or queen is less significant than the place they join in marriage. Why do we want to listen to god instead of ourselves?
That's why bastard is a formal way to shit on someone.
>>522746
It is, though.
>>522746
>How could anyone have ever thought monarchy was a good idea?
Tbqh the emergence of specialization and hierarchy in pre-history almost precipitated the rise of monarchy, although when humans were isolated to small villages and tribes, the priestly class were the rulers pretty much.
>thinks the Hard Problem of consciousness can never be solved by science
>believes that everything that is material (like a pebble) has consciousness
Should we trust this man?
So, a hippie Deepak Chopra basically? Fuck no.
The fact that he's ignorant enough to be making such bold statements about one of the least understood subjects in modern society should answer that question. Plus, just look at how he dresses himself.
>>522647
>The fact that he's ignorant enough to be making such bold statements about one of the least understood subjects in modern society should answer that question.
A self-defeating argument.
>Plus, just look at how he dresses himself.
Wow. Let's get /fa/ on the Hard Problem of Consciousness.
Why did Humanity choose to be Farmers instead of Hunter-Gatherers?
>>521957
>choose
>>521957
Chasing one's food gets tiring after a while.
>>521957
More stable source of food
>>521472
The video that this quote is from is so good https://youtu.be/7nIRJVmZ4K8
Because the Jews and Greeks have alphabets and the Roman civilization isn't a desert.
>>521472
Because there have been buddhas throughout all consciousness and what distinguishes guatama is the traditions which developed after him that give us all easy access to the 8 fold path?
ITT: overrated thinkers
HIs work in linguistics is pretty important, even if you don't agree with it.
What does /his/ think about the Black Dahlia murder? Who do you think did it?
Also, can you imagine living in the house with the lawn her body was dumped on?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/34%C2%B000'59.0%22N+118%C2%B019'58.8%22W/@34.016554,-118.332968,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m8!1e2!3m6!1s118587756!2e1!3e10!6s%2F%2Flh6.googleusercontent.com%2Fproxy%2FoDpfIBuw-s9rQdxy6ovE3CZgW25qc7jU1Q4nUc2gxFa55jxbPFtrCYoyDvwtmWKfV5V8nBToqj1jhiZbqwaSYqkUftR3XU4%3Dw203-h150!7i875!8i649!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0?hl=en
2spooky4me
Nobody? Should this go on /x/?
This is much spookier imo
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterkaifeck_murders
>>521186
is she alright??
Numerous passages in the Bible portray Jesus clearly stating that the Second Coming would occur within the lifetime of his disciples.
>"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
— Matthew 24:34
"This generation" refers to a span of 30-40 years, thus placing the date of the second coming before the deaths of the disciples. C.S. Lewis called this "the most embarrassing verse in the Bible" in The World’s Last Night and Other Essays.
Three more verses explicitly state that some of the people listening to Jesus as he preached would not die before he returned.
>"Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
— Matthew 16:28
>"And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power."
— Mark 9:1
>"But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God."
— Luke 9:27
Jesus also told people that "the time is short and they should not get married, not mourn, not be happy, not buy things, and not live "in the world". This again indicates that Jesus himself believed his return to be extremely imminent. (1 Corinthians 7:29-31, 1 Peter 4:7)
Later on, followers began to make up ad-hoc excuses for why it hasn't happened yet. Trying to interpret what Jesus said, that his return was "imminent" and "at hand", as "thousands of years from now". (2 Peter 3)
He came back in 70 CE
>not being a preterist
It's like you're actually retarded
>>520390
Why does the bible have excuses in it if it already happened then?
How to be a modern day Diogenes?
>>520220
get put on a sex offender list
>>520220
A modern day Diogenes would probably be sent to a mental institution.
>>520220
What exactly would be stopping you?
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