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How can one man be so based, /his/?
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>>44880
>Hamilton
>Based
Pick one and only one.
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Which man, OP? Because all I see is a colossal piece of shit.
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>>44986
>>45537
strict interpretation is gay and so are you

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Who is the best historical waifu?
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>>44818
Anne Frank or Joan of Arc

Reminder they were both likely raped.
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>>44936
Reminder that Anne Frank is alive today, and married to musician Jeff Magnum
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Her.

what would have happened if the Habsburgs succeed in controlling all of europe?
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Would have collapsed. That country was a smorgasbord of shit
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>>44839
>country
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>>44784
It would have dissolved under the weight of incestuous genetic disorder

It is a sad thing that the Byzantine Empire didn't survive and make it through the renaissance, enlightenment, industrialization and so on.

I don't think people realize just how exceptional it is that an empire and civilization that lasted longer than Rome itself was completely eradicated (as an independent state). Imagine if Russia or France disappeared.

Assuming it would survive, how do you think it would be? I think it would be something in between the Russian and Ottoman empires. Somewhat backwards, mysterious and not quite "European". Unlike the Ottomans, it would have a more solid national foundation and perhaps survive 19th century nationalism. Would they have been able to spread Christianity and Hellenism to the Levant again? I also wonder how their relationship with Russia would be, if they would've been eternal allies or fight against each other as with the Ottomans.
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It would have had done serious reforms to survive, but it'd be pretty based
I recon it would be called Rhomania
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>>45084
They did call it that themselves, but I don't know if westerners would ever accept it.
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>>45442
I thought some westerners occasionally referred to the empire as Rhomania

This is the objective ranking of the significant nations in WW1 from best to worst. Feel free to debate
>Germany
>Britain
>France
>USA
>Austria-Hungary
>Italy
>Ottoman Empire
>Russia
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>Italy above ottoman empire

Italians had much difficulty with an army 1/2 their size while the ottomans started to decline only when they were starting to be overwhelmed.
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>Russia
>worse than Austria, Turkey and fucking ITALY
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>>44679
Let's make some small changes
>Britain=Canada=USA
>Germany
>Russia
>France

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Alternate /his/tory: Map Editon
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>>44539
>Canada is part of the US

Good desu
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Hey guys

I just bought this book on Amazon

Is it any good?
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Yes.
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Why would you ask if a book was good after you bought it?
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>>44350
>I just bought this book on Amazon

Why?

>Is it any good?
If you like black and white/heroes and villains narratives of history from a leftist perspective, sure. If you want an actual, well researched history of the United States, look elsewhere. For that I would recommend the Oxford histories of America.

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Is there any evidence whatsoever to support the theory that Jesus Christ was in fact a Buddhist or became a Buddhist during an exile to the Far East?

Sometimes I like to make myself believe this is true because it explains why so much of his teachings align with that of Buddhist teachings.

I suppose it could just be Christianity just ripping off the concepts of another religion though.
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pretty sure he was jewish senpai
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It's not that Jesus ripped off Buddhism but that the truth is the same whether you're Christian or Buddhist. Present moment mindfulness, the ephemeral nature of reality, the futility of worldly ambition - these are universal truths that are not confined to certain geographical areas or time periods
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>>44464
And if I'm not mistaken Liberalism also preaches such messages and values.

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What is the biggest reoccurring mistake in history?
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OP
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>>44314
Genocide
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Letting liberals breed

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Were Stalin's crimes actually that out of line with what it took to industrialize anywhere else? Almost every state that did so, did so on the backs of vast amounts of suffering. He was not exactly wrong about the need to industrialize in a hurry or be crushed, and despite all the deaths, the standard of living in Soviet Russia rose dramatically over the course of his time in power.

Now, obviously his paranoia and the show trials and all that are hard to defend, but I'm not convinced that the more generalized problems of the time were anything unusual (which does not necessarily free them from condemnation). Capitalists like to act as though only states do these things, but it's not like events such as the Irish Potato Famine, or the Bengal Famine, or slavery, can be disconnected from capitalism and the profit motive.
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>>44260
>Were Stalin's crimes actually that out of line with what it took to industrialize anywhere else?
No. But it is the hypocrisy of industrialising through capitalism and the unnecessary deaths such as the failure to have effective famine aid to halt the Holodomor and the brutality of the Ural Siberian method as a means of proletarianisation rather than using pull factors. Combine this with the failure to increase consumer products outputs and the channelling of most of the heavy industry output ("tractorisation") to black military projects rather than to capital goods production which is primarily attacked.

>He was not exactly wrong about the need to industrialize in a hurry or be crushed
A general European revolution in the 1930s is another option.

>the standard of living in Soviet Russia rose dramatically over the course of his time in power.
Both the 1930s growth spurt and the post 1946 growth spurt were improperly channeled towards capital goods production. Additionally, much of the former peasantry and urban proletariat would have liked a labour discipline system that wasn't reliant on the use of gulags against the mass of the population.

>Now, obviously his paranoia and the show trials and all that are hard to defend
Try some Sheila Fitzpatrick and Milovan Ðilas on why the show trials were "necessary" to discipline the party and nomenklatura.

>Capitalists like to act as though only states do these things, but it's not like events such as the Irish Potato Famine, or the Bengal Famine, or slavery, can be disconnected from capitalism and the profit motive.

It was the profit motive in the Soviet Union too. Failures to achieve profit targets resulted in black camps, gulags or death. Foremen and middle managers became stakhanovites by sweating surplus value from the working class.
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>>44496
Filtered :^)
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>>44496
>Sheila Fitzpatrick
>Purges were OK because some people got to move up when "bourgeoisie" were murdered or sent to labor camps.
>This is what gommie fucks actually believe.

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Famous Last Words threads and go

>I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country

Can't go wrong with a classic
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Don't stop beating that drum
-admiral yi
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When asked to renounce Satan:
"Now is not the time for making new enemies."
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“I have offended God and mankind because my work did not reach the quality it should have.”

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Hello /his/, in light of all the Holocaust denialism; why not formulate an opinion over the Nuremberg trials and WW2 in General?
I believe it is presentable that the Nazis were unjustly tried by a court where they were allowed no evidence, and accused of multiple things they did not do as proven by later exoneration.
There are two specific articles that are important to the trials, article 19
Article 19 states:
>The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.

This is apparent as it is stating any evidence can be submitted as long as it helps /prove/ what the Nazis did, not that it is confirmed or valid.

The next questioned is Article 21, lets look at it.
Article 21 states:

>The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.

This "common knowledge" provision has been used a few times recently in courts, but for this preceding it was use as "the holocaust" was common knowledge, so the Nazis could not even argue weather or not they had done their committed crimes. Nor allowed to submit evidence in opposition to what they are accused of, much less go and gather it.
Later, the Nazis were exonerated for their crimes accused at Kayan, where the Russians brutally murdered 22,000-30,000 polish officials and intelligentsia. Even during the war Hitler called in the Red Cross to record the event as a Russian massacre, and it was, and they were not allowed to submit it in court.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
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Rather punish the people in charge, than the people with massive debt, it had strategic value to end Nazism once and for all
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>>44195
So you don't care if it was just or a proper court hearing or proper trial, you just care if "Nazism is ended once and for all"?
Because I don't think it holds up that "Nazism is stamped out", many far right or alt right parties grow larger by the minute, and the alt right has been the biggest threat to the establishment recently.
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The next thing that we could talk about is the Night of the Long knives
Here is a copy pasta written long ago:

The Night of the Long Knives has been severely distorted by mainstream history. Yes it was a political purge, but it was only ever meant to be two men: Ernst Rohm, and Franz von Papen. Also Stalin's political purges numbered close to a million, whilst Hitler's came to a meager 81 (80 of which he did not order to be killed)

When Hitler came to power in 1933, the SA was rendered largely superflous, as they had assisted his rise to power tremendously, however there were more and more incidents where they were behaving like hooligans.

Now that they were the majority, some of them were breaking Hitler's rules, instigating political fights, and smashing the shops windows of Jewish businesses (there are records of Hitler reprimanding SA for doing this in the 20s, but in the 30s they had grown to a quantity he could not control.)

Hitler had control of the SS, as Himmler was firmly on his side. Ersnt Rohm however did begin to frequently disagree with Hitler, and started causing friction within the SA and SS. Hitler's intelligence agency, the Abwehr, tapped Ernst Rohm amid fears he was planning a putsch.

The wiretaps revealed that he had met with a French diplomat, and was helping to organise a putsch with the help of the French army. The NSDAP responded by planning to ambush Rohm and arrest him without the SA knowing and a full blown putsch beginning.

If Ernst had managed to order the SA against Hitler, it would have been a bloody civil war between Germans on the streets. This was something Hitler could not afford at any costs if he was to have the peace and stability he desperately desired.

Whilst Hitler and Goering were in Essen for a wedding (amidst planning how to deal with Rohm) they were informed that Rohm had placed the SA on alert, and summoned all SA commanders to meet him at Wiessee.

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ITT: Bands with historical influences. Ones that make you want to go back in time and be a viking/samurai/crusader etc and fight in wars and shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edBYB1VCV0k
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>>44068
Iron maiden. The clansman makes me want to fight along side with William Wallace
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It's tacky fucking power metal, but it's so tacky it's badass. Also its subject matter is usually ignored by modern music.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Beda3kFNjo

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ITT: The most based characters in history.
God mode: we outmatch each other with each post.

Giuliano Della Rovere
>Escaped from many assasination attempts
>Persecuted by the Borgias who were the most powerful people of Italy at the time
>Came back several years later to reclame the Pope's throne
>Stood by what he thought was right and never gave up no matter what
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>>43883
Andrew Jackson
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Jean de Valette
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I always had a thing for him

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A thread for cool stuff near you. Post pictures, tell stories.

Back in 1793 the British government decided to try and devalue the Assignat by flooding the economy with fake bank notes, in order to make the war against Napoleon easier. They commissioned several paper mills in remote parts of the country to make forgeries, then sent them to Flanders with the Duke of York. One of the mills is just down the road from me. I might explore it some time.
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(from aarschot, belgium)
Spanjards settled in my town en masse and mixed with the population but somehow people here still manage to look inbred
Congrats I guess
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Alexis de Tocqueville once visited my hometown in the 1830s and remarked on what a shithole it was
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Famous Formula One racing driver Jack Fairman was born and lived in my hometown of Horley, Surrey. His old garage is now a Wetherspoons pub, named after him. Pretty good pub, actually.

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