How did people deal with trash before? In Rome they threw all the amphoraes which contained olive oil onto this big pile, which still stands today, because the olive oil seeped into the clay and would ruin it, making it unusable for other purposes due to the smell and the chemical reactions happening to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Testaccio
Any other interesting stories on how people have dealt with trash?
>>86322
The amount of trash was minimal compared to modern society. Most of the stuff was recycled, there were no plastic wrappings on products etc.
Chuck it in the streets for most part.
Or in the ditches of the city wall, or try and throw it in a heap if you could be arsed (archaeologists love middens)
>>86376
>Chuck it in the streets for most part.
Basically. It's how Europe had the black plague. Anywhere that does not have running water, you can count on garbage, and even human waste in the open in the streets. You can look at modern day India and non-industrialized countries to have a good idea what it's like.
>>86345
Manufacturing and the introduction of plastic has made trash issues so very much worse. Even now, there's a giant pile of Chinese garbage just floating around the Pacific.
Thoughts?
>>86094
A dramatic oversimplification, at least as applies to the west. Today western historiographers are virtually obsessed with portraying perspectives of the 'opressed', the 'marginalized', the 'losers' in history often to the detriment of actual historical truth. And further back than that think about all the early historians of imperial Rome who were nostalgists for the Republic. I don't know enough about Eastern historiography to even begin to make a judgement about it. Personally my favorite Churchill /his/tory quote has to be:
"Only history can judge me, but I will be one of the historians."
who #teamSulla here?
fucking plebs Marius and Cinna, your entire families deserve my proscriptions!
>digging up your rival's corpse and fucking with it
Out of order.
Sulla seemed like a bit of a cunt desu
![800px-General_John_Joseph_Pershing_head_on_shoulders[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tmO60z7.jpg "800px-General John Joseph Pershing head on shoulders[1]")
Why were Americans such parochialistic fuckups in World War 1?
Pic very fucking related.
>mfw Americans post about how they "won" WWI and "saved Europe"
Way to show up late to the party guys
>>86173
Not like they're alone. ANZAC, the Limeys and the French are all convinced they did more than the others to win the western Front.
>>86173
Not only show up late, but pull their troops out of combat moments before an offensive was to be underway.
>On July 2, two days before the counteroffensive was scheduled to begin, Monash arranged for the popular Australian prime minister, Billy Hughes, to address some troops from each brigade, taking care that Hughes' visit would not disrupt preparations for the coming "show." Then Monash's planning hit a serious snag. During a visit to the U.S. II Corps headquarters, the AEF commander, General John J. Pershing, learned of the plan to commit American troops to the assault on Hamel and advised General Read that they should not participate. The next day, he telephoned with "further and positive instructions...that our troops should be withdrawn." Pershing believed it was better if American troops fought together rather than as scattered units among the Allied armies. He also wanted assurance that they were fully trained before committing them in offensive actions.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-vetscor/1123998/posts
I'm a medieval historian specialized in french medieval history and I regret that career choice everyday.
Ask me stuff.
>>86018
opinion on the Valois dukes of burgundy? if its within your time frame
You started this thread earlier and it 404'd
This is like the one thing I'd love to learn about, give me books
How much raw dirty fucking did the French get into in the medieval era and did they leave behind paintings of it.
>tfw you will never be genuinely religious
I just want to feel like I'm a part of something, but my atheistic beliefs seem very adamant.
had this feel yesterday too
i get this feeling that to be indoctrinated from birth leaves you a lot healthier than 'finding god' in later life aka getting bipolar and having a breakdown
>>85391
I know that feel. Like, I just can't have that kind of pure faith. In anything, really. But religion especially. I end up being a contrarian faggot, arguing for God to atheists and arguing for atheists to uberchristians. It's pretty damn autistic.
I got yelled at and called a fedora for posting this same question on /pol/ a few months back. I think if I were to return to Christianity I would join the Orthodox Church.
What are your thoughts on great man history? I kind of like it in a narrative sense. It's easier to tell a story when you have a protagonist.
It's overblown, but sometimes pretty true.
Like, if it wasn't for Genghis Khan, nobody today would know what the fuck a Mongol was.
It's empowering, the idea that one man can change history, it's also true.
>>85349
>Contradicts self completely
Also it's not overblown, history proffesors literally shit and piss all over the GMOH
Fucking cultural Marxist scum imo
What's up fellow /his/torians?
Does anyone else support the idea of putting in historical flags?
Choose your own of course.
I think we should petition Hiro-shima.
>>85319
bump, i would like to see this.
>>85319
anyone? or should we continue with no flags and no ids.
>>85319
i think so, historical flags were fun on that disgusting nazi forum that i never ever frequent
If you could pick one historic empire to say and bring the future what would it be and why. I would save the ottomans because their collapse destabilized the rest of Europe and in many ways its collapse was responsible for world war 1 which I believe to be the greatest catastrophe of the modern era. I believe that it would be worth the sacrifice of few Balkan nationalist to keep western Europe from destroying itself.
Angry Serbs incoming.
>>85218
would you let the Ottomans have nukes?
>Hellenic/ Macedonian
Why?
Brought a official language to most of Greece and the Middle East.
Alexander was a cool guy, too bad the common cold was cooler
Allowed many cultures to remain the same, but just added the best parts of Greek ideals in with them
Built great cities
>library of Alexandria
So /his/ what side are you?
>taking sides in history
>>85209
Gotta go with York. I like white roses.
>>85238
Yes, what are you some kind of relitavist faggot?
Glorified cheerleader.
>>85161
Pretty sure you can find plenty of ''heroes'' in history who were actually over-glorified just to inspire others.
It's the symbol that matters, this is what moves the people.
>>85161
More like glorified chicken tender.
No, she took an active part in leadership after Orleans.
is he the greatest leader of all time?
>defeated nazi germany, arguably the most advanced and powerful single military force in the world in all of history at the time, with almost no foreign support
>with the help of leninist policies grew the soviet union into a powerhouse, one of the few places to experience growth in the great depression
>managed to hold ground and prevent a war with the axis powers
>purged counter revolutionaries and reactionaries and set out to destroy bourgeois policies and actions
>the red army choir
>>84876
If believe that governments purpose is to seek power and not to improve the lives of its citizens then yeah you could make a decent argument that he was a pretty based leader.
>>84876
>with almost no foreign support
2/10
>prevent a war with the axis powers
didn't even try/10
>>84876
******allies
fuck
So /his/ has existed for 4 days now.
>Has a culture begun to develop?
>Has discourse maintained relative ideological neutrality/ professionalism?
>Have the topics been diverse or is there a favored corner for discussion?
>Are /generals/ appropriate for this board?
> Does the lack of /japan/ threads bother Moottwo?
>>84711
>Has a culture begun to develop?
Somewhat. Everyone seems to love Joan d'Arc.
>Has discourse maintained relative ideological neutrality/ professionalism?
Yes outside of obvious shitposts.
>Have the topics been diverse or is there a favored corner for discussion?
Yes. Just right now there's a topic about the history of food, the history of Rhodesia, and our favorite historical assassins. There was a history of holidays yesterday which was pretty neat. Many topics are going to be focused mainly on Rome, which is fine, but the WW2 / Hitler topics really need to slow down.
>Are /generals/ appropriate for this board?
No. I thought they were at first, but it really does not make much sense to have them. They often turn into tripfaggotry anyway.
> Does the lack of /japan/ threads bother Moottwo?
We had one on Nobunaga and WW2 not too long ago. truthfully, Japanese history isn't that interesting.
>>84814
>Joan d'Arc
>not Napoleon
This board is literally territory of the First French Empire
>>84711
I think the trope of redirecting people to over boards is stupid because this board is obviously going to be filled from people across 4chan and they will bring their board cultures and discussion with it.
Was he faking it?
faking what?
>>84670
Kek, he looks like lurch.
A better question is who do you think killed him?
Why do black people believe that the ancient Egyptians were black?
During the whole Exodus movie thing, people were complaining about how Moses was being played by a white man (Christian Bale) and then black people said that the entirety of Egypt was black. I don't understand this logic can someone explain? Or were Egyptians really black in history? I thought those were the Nubians.
Middle class, bourgeois blacks need a founding culture/myth/civilization that looks good to better fit into white society.
>>84628
No Egyptians were not black Africans, anyone claiming such a thing is historically illiterate. Egyptians are Egyptian, the same copper-to-tan people who live there now are presumed to have lived along that river since it first began to flow. Nubians did rule Egypt briefly, but they were never the majority of the population and most pharaohs were not black.
>>84726
Also this.
