ITT We discuss the future of web browsers, are they all doomed to become chrome clones? Will edge ever become something? Where are the upstarts? What IS even otter browser?
And why does mozilla insist on ruining firefox? Why are modern webpages so horrendously slow and shit?
Is HTML5 actually going to work?
Can flash be 100% obsolete?
>>52067140
>Can flash be 100% obsolete?
Probably not, but its already 96% obsolete. I uninstalled it like in May or something.
I think web applications will become more and more of a thing, especially on mobile, replacing lots of apps.
>>52067140
All interesting questions, OP. All I can say is there seems to be a sharpening division between casuals and techies.
Small question for /g/, familily got a shitty laptop for christmas for the cottage and they barely have anything for internet there. I remember Opera having a "Turbo mode" or something similar to run web pages faster. This laptop is suffering from firefox memory hoarding. What would /g/ recommend in this situation in terms of web browser? Installing linux is out of the question clearly. Sorry for the small derail op
>>52067253
>I think web applications will become more and more of a thing, especially on mobile, replacing lots of apps.
The world is grim when everyone wants to bloat up their web browser. My work is also like that and half the web apps i have to use on a daily basis are awful.
I ditched Flash in July and haven't missed it. A surprising number of sites have an HTML5 fallback option that isn't accessible by choice whilst Flash is installed.
>>52067140
>are they all doomed to become chrome clones?
that's the general direction, yes. they won't become full clones though, because then there would be no reason to use them over chrome. firefox will certainly keep the customization options that chrome lacks, because that's a major reason for using firefox.
>Will edge ever become something?
no, it's just IE 12.
>And why does mozilla insist on ruining firefox?
no idea, but i'd love to know. probably just stupidity. too much marketing and social shit, not enough engineering.
>Why are modern webpages so horrendously slow and shit?
because of the "let's use JS for everything and let the browser handle all the load so we can run this shit on our potato server and don't have to pay for server-side processing power" meme
>Is HTML5 actually going to work?
it werks
>Can flash be 100% obsolete?
nothing is ever 100% obsolete. but for the average user, yes. most people won't even have flash installed in 5 years.
>>52067140
Firaga fox and its derivatives are the future. I cannot give up my customization and comfy add-on themes for Chrome. Vivaldi is trash and Opera is a bastard child of Chrome that eats up ram and is laggy.
Edge will never have extensions in our lifetime. So by default Firaga fox is the future despite the SJW onslaught as projects like Pale Moon, Ice Cat, Cyber Fox are independent of Mozilla now and can continue to release new versions. Technically Mozilla only adds bloat with each release, the only thing devs need to port is security patches.
>>52067313
Yeah, but I also hate that every little bullshit needs an app, that not only bloats your phone but is also probably spying on you. (Like why does a farting app need permission to network, contacts and file s?)
Mozilla wants to reduce the codebase. Removing options implies reducing the code.
>inb4 pocket and hello
Pocket is a server based system. The Firefox UI to pocket is so trivial that any proramming student can write the same
Hello is Mozilla's UI wrapper over the magic of WebRTC. WebRTC is a working web standard and the Hello UI is equally trivial to write as Pocket.
>>52067140
What's the O with the bear inside?
>>52067443
Otter
>>52067140
>>52067253
Flash is becoming less and less relevant every year. Only reason we will need the ability to run .swf files is to play older flash games in the future.
>>52067310
For me Opera runs noticeably faster with umatrix. Unfortunately it requires initial tinkering on nearly every site so that probably won't be very helpful for a family with a shitty laptop. For the cottage.
>>52067421
Honestly.
>>52067366
There wasn't anything in the catalog when I checked and I didn't want to create a new thread simply for this. If sqg is an acronym then I'm not familiar with what it stands for, could you point me in the right place to ask?
>>52067310
The turbo mode was a proxy wasn't it? Anyway, just use something like uBlock Origin or uMatrix to filter out heavy javascript.
>>52067527
Maybe he meant >>52060135?
>>52067527
There used to be /stupid question general/ threads. /sqg/
>>52067571
Oh shit, it was /sqt/ then. Well, whatever.
Opera 12 master race reporting in
>>52067615
>Deprecated
>>52067615
Baby duck spotted. Enjoy your vulnerabilities. Enjoy your broken websites.
>>52067679
What website is broken?
>>52067362
>because of the "let's use JS for everything and let the browser handle all the load so we can run this shit on our potato server and don't have to pay for server-side processing power" meme
loling irl, thanks
>>52067691
Youtube.
>>52067742
You were saying?
>>52067784
Now show the comments section. :^)
>>52067784
>Windows
Opera sucks as it is, throw in Windows and you have the most constipated browsing experience ever.
>>52067812
What's your point?
>>52067870
>those tabs
I kek'd
>>52067784
>>52067870
That's not Opera 12, is it?
>>52067890
That def not opera 12, that's the chromium based shit.
>>52067890
>>52067920
Anything else I can do for you?
>select all the images with denial
https://threatpost.com/massive-adobe-flash-update-patches-79-vulnerabilities/115598/
>USING AIDSDOBE FLUSH
NOT EVEN ONCE
>>52067946
>how to crop image
>>52068026
>current-year > 1983
>getting baited
>>52068053
>falling for it
Really anon, I thought you were better than th-
wait a minute...
https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/
https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es7
If your browser doesn't get as high as Nightly does, IT'S PURE UTTER SHIT
>>52068068
>they all fell for each others baits
hue
>>52068087
ES6 and ES7 features are having no relevance. What counts is HTML5.
Javascript drafts are negligible
>>52067435
And so they accept the idea of becoming an almost non customizable Chrome UI clone. Wrong concept!
>>52067397
Vivaldi has more customization features out of the box compared with useless Chrome UI clone Firefox since it had implemented the Australis Chrome clone UI.
Side tabs left and right, Chromeless windows mode, tabs in the side bar, side bar left and right, i can place the bars where i want, it has also a full working userchrome.css equivalent, much more advanced speed dials, much more options for customizing the favorite bar, tab stacking, page tiling, the whole UI is CSS - so you can rewrite it like you want as there is not a bit of native hardcoded code and much more.
And now tell me what for customization features has Firefox added recently? Oh, that's right, they removed almost all built inside features!
>>52067397
But yes, Vivaldi is partly closed source, so this is what really is shit of it. For this Otter Browser does exist.
JizzBeaver master race.
Flash is still going strong, especially thanks to Chrome's pepper flash.
What will soon be obsolete is Javascript, because CSS and HTML5 is the future of webdesign.
>>52070321
What is even pepper flash and why does chrome keep including it, mfw
>>52067140
As long as people keep wanting to do stupid shit like write full-on office suites and programming text editors with the hacked-up fuckery that's HTML, CSS, and JSS we're doomed to browsers that resemble operating systems.
We direly need a new tech stack that better fits what people are trying to do with the web these days but stupid fucks insist on using a butterknife as a jackhammer and continue to frankenstein HTML and company beyond recognition. It's frustrating.
>>52067310
I dont get it, is their laptop or their internet shit? opera turbo is just a proxy to compress webpages, therefore it will only work if their ISP is a pos.
If their latpop is the one which is shit, disable all plugins in their browser and use ublock origin on it.
Since my laptop is a fucking pos too i cant even run YT videos, so i blocked YT html5 player and created a small script to run online videos from my computer, not browser.
>>52067140
Web browsers are all just means to an end for big corporations. Google can practically pick and choose when certain systems die, what web technologies are considered standard, and the fucks at Mozilla are too busy slurping their dick to know any better. Opera became Chrome 2.0 and most other attempts at different browsers are plagued by being featureless and in development hell because big software companies throw thousands of man hours into laggy pieces of shit to implement web """"standards"""" and then later claim they have no time to fix these things.
>>52070321
the implications of everyone using javascript for server side applications and even entire operating systems is a scary notion for the disappearance of jscript from browsers.
Kek
>more focus on mobile
Vivaldi doesn't have a mobile version yet, fuglord.
>>52067140
The words you placed in that image describe every browser in the image except edge
>>52067140
I haven't been using flash since 5 months, didn't want to install it on my clean win10 on my ssd. If a site depends on flash, it belongs in the trash.
>Flash = trash
>>52067140
:^)
>>52067140
How hard is it to program a browser anyways? I mean, using already existing rendering engines such as webkit. Is programming a browser for yourself something feasible?
:3
>>52067140
>Qupzilla not in the image
Welp, I'm out
>>52071107
>implying users even care about market share
>>52071190
ofcourse, there are no users to care about the said market share :^)
>>52071233
Except there are. :)
>>52071176
make a case for this unknown browser then
What browser should I use.
-Ethical
-Low on bullshit
-Responsive + fast
-nice UI
-features
-FOSS
Navigation via high precision eye movement tracking
>>52067362
>because of the "let's use JS for everything and let the browser handle all the load so we can run this shit on our potato server and don't have to pay for server-side processing power" meme
>tfw these webpages that load shit from at least 10 other domains next to loading god-knows how many jquery modules for all the fancy "shove ads and social media bullshit in front of everything" nonsense
nightly just killed my entire firefox profile. good thing i had a recent backup. i'm back on stable for now
>>52071531
Keep looking
No such browser exists
I'm using Firefox 22.0 and Java seems to be disabled due to a security hole. 4chanX doesn't seem to be working. Does 4chanX require Java?
>>52071531
w3m
>>52071712
What's the closest best alternative then?
>>52067520
What the actual fuck
>>52071141
IE and firefox best waifus
>>52071531
/g/ should write its own browser t b h
>>52071796
G can't do anything right. This society shouldn't even glorify itself with a 'thing'. It's not deserving of having an identity. Give me something good G has done or is working on.
>>52071856
/g/ has made some sick logos for various projects
>>52071871
>G has made some sick LOGOS in the past
>Technology board in charge of LOGOS
>doesn't even post the sick logo
>>52071796
I'll get started on the logo
>>52071856
installgentoo wiki
>>52067140
why do people still use flash plugin for video plus more ?
>>52072015
>>52071796
Here's the logo, reasoning is that graphene is the material of the future, this is the browser of the future and the graphene molecular structure is our chosen icon, what we want our browser to be in essence: fast, leading, thin, unbreakable.
>>52072015
Already done. Now let's get cracking on the fucking code.
>>52072090
saved
>>52072050
some porn websites have ditched it, that's all i care for flash
>>52072090
lol that's cyclohexane dumbass
>>52072101
let's do itimport html5
import javascript
import css
import pajeetbrowserengine
gbrowser = pajeetbrowserengine
while True:
gbrowser.run
>>52072165
>let's do it
well actually I can't do shit. you do it
>>52072165
>while True:
gbrowser.run
>try to exit the browser
>it restarts
Thanks /g/.
>>52071724
w3m is my goto browser, it's surprising how much of the Web you can still use through a terminal
>>52071783
yup, IE looks so pretty ^^ and the one you'd have the most fun with
>>52072165
A modern browser should be written in JS, so it can make use of asm.js to boost the performance.
>>52072194
i use it when i need to use one of those sites that loads 20 ad sites with every page
what do you use to view images
>>52072214
I know that's in jest, but my blood temperature still rose to dangerous levels.
>>52071655
what cartoon is that from? the dog is so cute
>>52072415
Some shitty overrated series.
It's not worth watching.
>>52067140
>Otter is still in beta
I just want my opera 12
>>52072499
what's the pup's name though?
>>52071141
>netscape
>>52072415
https://www.google.com/searchbyimage?image_url=http%3A%2F%2Fi.4cdn.org%2Fg%2F1451168393504.gif%3Fs.jpg
>>52072556
thanks
>>52071856
Tox
>>52072576
No Problem!!!
We're All /G/lad to hELP our Trusted Frends®!!
>>52067567
Turbo mode is more than a proxy it actually compresses the page elements before sending it to you to use less bandwidth. At least, that's what it used to do on phones, I don't use opera
>>52072601
i might be old, but i know that you're making fun of me, so please stop, your mother wouldn't like to know this...
>>52067462
Hopefully they'll find a way to automatically convert them to HTML5 like Google are doing.
I mean, once we reach the point where there are so few uses it's unlikely any security holes will be properly exploited, but I think it'd be useful and I still reckon it'll happen
>>52072227
w3m loads images in my terminal
>>52072647
>Hopefully they'll find a way to automatically convert them to HTML5 like Google are doing.
http://mozilla.github.io/shumway/
the newest update to firefox broke my firefox button and the fill in bar
>>52072545
Ein
anybody else use Comodo Dragon?
>>52072661
How does it look?
This happens when I click fullscreen on YouTube. Is there a fix for this?
>>52073070
try enabling and disabling theater mode
>>52067397
I would use Pale Moon but Im pretty sure the people who maintain it are furries.
Any alternatives with the same goal?
>>52073130
>I would use Pale Moon but Im pretty sure the people who maintain it are furries.
>>52073160
Are they not actually furries? Because that would be a relief
>>52073195
Why would you care
and why would they tell people about what fandom they are part of
either way is sounds really stupid
>>52073246
I cant fucking stand furries so I can't in good conscience use software developed by them
>>52073268
Nigga you are using software, not talking to them
>>52073333
the "software" is secret fur propaganda. just look at the name. it's obviously some weird werewolf reference.
>>52073333
Yes, I know, but I don't feel comfortable using software made by people like that. It feels like I'm validating them.
Besides, every time I go on their forums to look for Pale Moon support I have to endure looking at all their avatars and signatures of animals fucking eachother in the ass.
>>52073378
hate the person, not the product
>>52073402
But it's difficult to not hate the product when someone vile made it their life's work. Consider what I'm doing a boycott.
>>52073459
well you are still denying yourself a product for a trivial reason that doesn't have an impact in the product.
Like not using C based products because Dennis Ritchie was a tolkien or some shit.
I mean, you can still use it and/or compile it yourself and still dislike them.
seriously tho, chrome is begining to be slow as fuck.
Firefox is so fucking laggy
Opera is chrome v2
Vivaldi e shite in general
what do ???
I want back firefox 3.6 and early chrome
>>52067140
>restart computer
>find out FF has erased Ublock Origin
I dont know about you guys but im ditching this shit browser asap
>>52073558
I don't see your point. Yes, it doesn't objectively have an impact on the product, but every time I use it I think in the back of my mind that I'm using something created by furries. It negatively impacts my experience with the product. And that's not even getting into the whole issue of actually supporting the sick fucks and giving them satisfaction by using their product.
>>52073700
Feel you man, what happened the last years
>>52073984
Well, your loss then I guess
>>52073700
Opera is the only one that stays fast.
>not using the world's most advanced browser on the world's most advanced operating system
>>52072165
Poo in loo epic browser is the future
>>52071531
Emacs
>>52071655
>see you space cowboy
Loling irl right now, thanks.
>>52071718
Your entire browser is a security hole.
>>52071531
Tbh closest thing to what you want is pale moon but I wouldn't recommend using it (out of date and maintained by one guy). Next best thing is iceweasel since it cuts the Firefox advertising bullshit out but it's a little slower than pale moon and the UI is pretty average. There are addons that can improve the UI a little though. Personally I just go full minimal UI with Pentadactyl for vi-like controls but I can recognise that not everyone likes that kind of thing.
>>52071718
Doesn't require Java but it's likely that it relies on newer html5 features. Don't use such an old browser, far too many existing and well known security holes.
>>52076247
>out of date
Pale Moon is a fork based on an old version, but it is actively developed and security fixes are backported to it. There's nothing wrong with it.
>>52076298
If you enjoy bugs never being fixed.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=902618
>fixed in Firefox 33
>still broken in Pale Meme
>>52076298
Except not everything has back ports, forcing you to use older versions of addons from the Firefox site. And that doesn't always work since often the older addons are based on no longer existing internet APIs. Not only that, but you don't get some html5 features and so on.
Overall pale moon is usable if you're fine with a minimal setup and only using popular addons but it's difficult to recommend it to people in a general sense without knowing their addon and website requirements.
>>52067362
>let's use JS for everything and let the browser handle all the load so we can run this shit on our potato server and don't have to pay for server-side processing power
Can you explain how paying for server-side processing power could lead to the same results Javascript has without Javascript?
>>52077744
He could have stated it better but I doubt he was saying JS was problematic in general. The thing with most modern large scale sites is that they often deliver content in a very minimal format and rely on JavaScript code to build the page layout on client end. These sites could be running better on the client's end if the server generated the page layout server side and cached aspects of it such that similar bandwidth savings could be achieved at the cost of server processing power.
At the end of the day unless you have a potato computer I don't really consider the paradigm of using client side processing to be an issue. It allows servers to deliver complex pages more cheaply which is a win for everyone.
>>52072108
If you want to bother you can make even that obsolete with mpv + youtube-dl
Watch for WebAssembly in the future
There should be a set of standards for making web pages. Like if you can accomplish it with HTML and CSS then fucking use HTML and CSS instead of javascript.
>>52067362
>probably just stupidity. too much marketing and social shit, not enough engineering.
I'd say a lot of engineering (the desire to replace bloated unmanageable code base) and extremely bad marketing.
>>52078529
>Implying videos are the only use for flash
I mean, sure, most popular video sites readily work with that combo but there are still interactive forms of media that continue to use flash rather than JS.
