https://www.scribd.com/doc/306966947/AT-205-Bad-Jubies-network-pitch-storyboard
>modern storyboarders
>>81481999
Bless those Korean animators for doing what they do when the storyboards are such shit.
>>81482176
Korean inbetweeners da real MVPs
>>81481999
>>81482176
>Korean Animators
You know this episode was stop motion, right?
post the rugrats one
you know the one
For an art style that's almost insultingly easy to draw, you'd think the artists could be arsed to put in a little more effort than this.
>Storyboards should be well made!
They should be fast you fucking idiots, with just enough information for the animators to work with.
>>81482993
>entire episode is stop motion and took a year to animate
>'a little more effort maybe'
>>81481999
>Here, breathe in some cyanide gas
>Thanks, dude
>>81483039
>>81483116
I just fucking knew there would be faggots eager to stand up for this bile
>>81483278
fuck you phineas
>>81483278
The AT storyboarders can be lazy but this was a guest animator making a stop motion episode my guy, storyboards can be dogshit and it makes little difference.
>>81482993
>bottle smash
>smashes bottle
By the looks of things being a storyboarder for cartoons like AT or something seems like I could fucking do it.
Look at LSP's bottom lumps, like holy shit that's quick.
>>81483116
The point of storyboards is to make things easier on the animator and plot out the shots that best convey the plot on tone of the scenes. If anything, shitty storyboards makes the animator's job harder because they have to waste time deciphering what the hell the scene is supposed to be conveying, and sometimes even doing the storyboarder's job for them by redoing scenes.
Comparing the storyboards to the finished episode, there's points where you wouldn't be able to tell what was supposed to be happening if it weren't for notes at the bottom - and unsurprisingly those shots clearly had complete overhauls for the actual episode.
>crying_cat.png
derp
I forgot which storyboard artist made this
>>81484737
the ending scared me
Reminder it's actually illegal to have the weather alert eps/ems sound on a cartoon/movie/show because it might false alarm someone.
Bad Jubies did it, albeit for a milisecond. Shocked me.
Somebody post those scrapped storyboards made from a guy who ended up being the character designer for the new Mickey Mouse Shorts instead.
>>81481999
>you should put effort into this thing that won't actually make it onto the air
Why? What would be the purpose of wasting time on something like that?
>>81485162
Because today the animators they sent these storyboards will try to replicate the exact same art-style drawn in the storyboards and animate them with that output.
OP pic isn't related since the episode was a stop-motion special episode and it looks way better than that, but it happens with other regular storyboards.
>>81485332
yeah didn't finn look really off model in Up A Tree because of that?
>>81485162
>>you should put effort into this thing that won't actually make it onto the air
>Why? What would be the purpose of wasting time on something like that?
And to think the ATfag cancer died when SU became the new thing.
>>81485533
It was a stop motion episode.
>>81485162
>Don't put effort into the thing that's essentially the blueprint to what's going to make it under the air
That's like saying you shouldn't put any effort into the underlying sketch for a painting because you're going to paint over it.
10/10 bait OP, got me mad.
everyone ITT who thinks it's bad that these boards are drawn poorly despite it being for stop motion are retarded. the artist is primarily a director and animator for stop motion. she was literally in charge of the animation from day to day so the drawings didn't need to be super detailed.
plus a lot of times they need to turn out boards fast, so even people who are hired because they are very skilled technically will do simple stuff if they know everyone else will know what they mean/there's time to correct or explain it later. Pic related, that's the final shot of Korra S3 finale.
>>81485843
>Pic related, that's the final shot of Korra S3 finale
is that supposed to prove something? looks normal for that shit show
>>81485332
>>81485461
That is how it works for Adventure Time (not every show though) but flat out saying "the storyboard artist is shit this is all off model" is dumb for adventure time. they've said that they generally like the drawings to reflect the personal style of the board artists - so 9/10 if you don't like it it's just because you don't like the board artist's aesthetic preferences. Which is fine, you can call THAT shit if you want, but at least know what you're talking about.
For example: everyone was freaking out online about "Crystals Have Power" when that aired, but it wasn't like it was a mistake. It was the first time Jesse Moynihan boarded something and he has a weird drawing style. They wanted it to look like that. (But again, you're free to think that's shitty looking if you want)
>>81485843
You do know they can't "explain it later" to the koreans right? The storyboards are that deal. They either know or they don't. If they don't it delays the fuck out of things because they either have to send it back with notes on it's own or redo it themselves on accident not knowing what it is, and results in some problematic scenes. This can in turn be good or bad, if they get something wrong to a minor degree (a character falling offscreen in the wrong direction) they might pass it and keep going, but if it's something like a completely different scene, they'd have to REsend that whole part back to Korea with either added notes or a newely/better drawn part of that scene.
Storyboards are important in most cartoons, especially storyboard DRIVEN ones.
>>81486085
We, or atleast some of us, are referring to the horribly sketched shit, not "drawn well, but off model" stuff. Anyone who's into the show enough on here should know already about Jesse and the others having their own style.
>>81486146
Yeah - but I'm trying to make the point that you can't cherry pick specific cases and claim "this proves this is shit". I brought up the Korra thing because that board in the image could easily be something they used to pitch stuff in house before cleaning up the boards and shipping overseas.
And if it wasn't that - then clearly despite despite it being that simplified the board artists and directors managed to communicate to the animation studio well enough that it turned out alright.
>>81485843
>being for stop motion
You realize that being meant for another form of animation doesn't mean it has to be shit, right?
>>81485843
How did you get that pic?
>>81484737
These creeps. I like whoever did this.
>>81486441
Do you realize that not being heavily detailed doesn't mean it's a bad storyboard, when it gets the point across to get to the end result?
Crappy storyboards would be fine if layout was still a thing that happened in america
>>81481999
This one episode does not define modern storyboarders.
>>81486555
>gets the point across
Stick-figure tier drawings should never be acceptable.
>>81486733
who said it defined all those guys, op didn't
>>81486509
Bryan Konietzko's blog
>>81486441
No, but the storyboards in this case look like that because the artist was also the director of the episode and she's not focused on 2D art.
Fantastic Mr. Fox was directed by Wes Anderson, he had to get people who knew stop motion shit to help him. That requires more complex boards so everyone is on the same level. They had a professional board artist do boards.
>>81486839
OP literally has
>modern storyboarders
>>81486733
Naw I'd say it does so nicely.
Thanks CalArts. Thanks Steven Universe. Thanks tumblr.
>>81486085
No i mean, In Up a Tree. Finn's head was REALLY off model
I'm refering to this scene
holy fucking shit
>>81486892
that show is nothing but fucking references
>>81486894
kek
>>81486892
>Howl's Moving Castle
Did the artist really have to mention that?
>>81486913
>yep... I went there
>... to indicate a badass pause
why do people insist to talk like this
it's one of the most obnoxious things I've ever fucking heard or read
it's fucking annoying
>>81486892
>All of the /co/ starwmans in one post
>>81486894
>>81485461
Here's the episode's storyboard if you want to shift through it.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/185580007/AT-108-Up-A-Tree-Network-Pitch-Storyboard
>>81486894
I don't remember the scene so maybe shit got weird and error-y but that looks like a funny drawing to me. I could believe someone approved it because they liked it.
this board is golden
>>81487014
yep *badass pause* i agree!!
>>81487087
It doesn't work when you do it like that.
In fact, you got it all wrong.
>>81486971
>that show is nothing but fucking references
Have you even watch the show?
>>81487045
It's fucking true you gimp.
Now look at THESE storyboards. The artists of the golden age studios treated storyboarding as an artform in itself, even when it's not necessary (as they could talk to actual animators about how the scenes should be done and how to interpret their boards, not send them off to chinks working slave labor). They didn't fucking doodle some shit while browsing tumblr and drinking coffee.
FUCK CalArts. FUCK modern animation artists.
>>81487207
Yep. It's pretty shocking how much the Diamond Authority mirrors Urken culture from Invader Zim.
And of course all of that fusion shit is lifted straight from Dragon Ball but with a corny lesbian context for neckbeards like you.
>>81487280
>FUCK CalArts. FUCK modern animation artists.
But CalArts was founded by Disney himself.
>>81487207
yes
it's literally "Anime in my Western Cartoon?" bullshit.
It's not even hard without having seen it to know it's just Sugar putting in all the anime references she can, which wouldn't be so bad if she didn't shoehorn it in and make it so obnoxious after it's referenced.
That fucking storyboard says it all.
R E M O V E fat lesbos
>>81486892
Rebecca Sugar didn't even go to CalArts you mong.
>>81487356
>One storyboard
Fucking wow.
>>81487343
You do know that sugar was a big invader zim fan, right? And also
>corny lesbian context for neckbeards like you
>implying I'm a neck beard
>implying I care about some dumb context
>>81486892
>Using a pic from the worst storyboarder
Nice strawman.
in a nutshell
>>81487414
What are you doing?
I said that reference in that board shows it. Not "That bored explains everything from the show" or something.
Chill.
>>81487356
>One storyboard
Nice early assumptions
That's from season 1. The storyboards for season 2 are much better.
>tfw you realize this thread was a setup
>>81487382
Never said she did retard.
>>81487452
What am I seeing here?
>>81487488
god fucking damn it with the misunderstanding, it's easy to tell a samefag when a missing the point moment goes too far.
I said references, I never said "that board looks really bad"
I never mentioned it's art, I only mentioned the references.
>>81487511
Then why are you conflating SU with CalArts?
Golden rule: if time permits you to choose one, go with clarity over cleanliness.
The real problem these days are board artist's ever-diminishing time-frames for assignments.
>>81487541
Oh. Sorry.
>>81487445
1. That's not a "strawman"
2. Take your pick, they all fucking suck
>all these millennials with shit taste trying to defend the worst shows with cloned artstyles
L M A O
M
A
O
the fuck outta here tumblr
>>81487565
Motherfucking thank you.
>>81487558
Because it works better with his strawman.
>>81487587
>apologizing
sorry as well
this thread is fucking hostile.
Did anyone notice how much of a floppy dick jake looks in the boards
>>81487588
How is this bad?
>>81487588
>He hasn't seen season 2 storyboard.
Fuck off.
>>81487612
>millenials
>tumblr
Anymore buzzwords you want to use?
>>81487558
Because they're the predominate influence in modern animation alongside tumblr.
>>81487612
>If you like a show I dislike you have shit taste
k
>Obligatory "fuck off tumblr"
>>81487653
Get some taste please.
>>81487000
I googled "howls moving castle bacon" and saw exactly what they wanted so I'm gonna say yes
>>81487715
How the fuck is tumblr an influence?
>>81487741
Holy shit.
>>81487725
>>81486894
That's the only Xylophone episode that worked.
The weird models, pacing and dialogue felt like a bad dream.
>>81487761
>How the fuck is tumblr an influence?
>talking about steven universe
Sugar IS fucking tumblr
Yeah, nah, OP and company are just faggots. Take a look at an animatic from Wander Over Yonder, probably the most fun and dynamic cartoon on TV right now. Most of it is really sketchy and shitty looking if you are judging it by the art itself, but what matters is the timing of the storyboard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k36WFOAil80
>>81487741
That doesn't answer my question.
I'm only triggered by how half of the arrow is 3D
>>81487810
Fucking. How?
If you actually knew anything about the cunt you'd know she's as 4chan as you and me.
>>81487810
That still doesn't make any logical sense.
>>81487565
If it's job to draw for a living, how hard is it to finish half a storyboard in two weeks.
Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
>>81487696
>>81487725
>getting this passive-aggressive
wow just go reblog some sjw crap or something, you're just embarassing yourselves and proving my point
Gravity Falls Storyboards look fine to me
>>81487891
>continuing the tumblr meme
You're embarrassing yourself.
>>81487891
>Your proving my point by trying to defend a show you like
Ok.
>>81487870
You do realize that time and money are big factors right?
This is the work of one of the greatest animators of our time
Storyboards don't need to be full of detail
You talk as if you expect the storyboard to have more detail than the final result
But they know it's Adventure Time they're storyboarding, there's no reason to overwork it
>>81481999
WOY's storyboards are some of the most detailed any TV show has ever had. The animators have almost all of their work already done for them.
SU is similar, though not to the same extent.
AT just has lazy boarders.
>>81487761
>What is a "Tumblr" cartoon?
-amateurish art direction, usually looking like flat notebook doodles and tries to hard to pass off the lack of skill as "charming" (AT, RS, Sanjay and Craig, Breadwinners, Gravity Falls, OtGW, Long Live the Royals, Bee and Puppycat, Bravest Warriors, Star and the Forces of Evil, Clarence)
-attempts at idiosyncratic and "natural" dialogue that ends up sounding robotic. Usually has a lot of modern or made-up slang. "Man, this day was total butt. We needs to go get out munchichies on, ya' know what I'm saying?" (AT, RS, GF, Steven Universe, SaC, BW, CH, OtGW, Star)
-a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character (AT, RS, SU, GF, SaC, BWarriors, BaP).
-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
-voice actors that sound like they picked random people from the street (all of them)
-an ambiguously brown character to try to not piss anybody off, as well as forced diversity (OtGW, Adventure Time, Regular Show, Steven Universe, Bee and Puppycat, Dead End, etc)
-fake 80s montages (RS, SaC, BW, Star, SU)
-limited amount of expressions, most of them being ":-T" (all of them)
Tumblr is now the main hub for animation artists to showcase their work and they all start to copy each other which leads to stuff like the tumblr red nose.
Will you find animation artists with an original style on tumblr? Yes, but it's very rare. What you'll usually see is what's in that calarts gif that's been floating around.
>>81487942
>>81487956
get a room and fap to poorly animated dykes
>>81488074
>This stale as fuck pasta
>That "CalArts" gif
Christ
>>81487978
Not relevant. Those guys were able to get better quality everything in a same time frame that modern artists use.
Maybe it's hard for modern storyboard artists to pick shots and compositions...because they suck.
>>81488114
Funny, I was about to suggest the same thing.
>>81488074
>The "bullcrap" tumblr pasta
fug
>>81488030
>SU is similar, though not to the same extent.
>SU , even compared by WoY
wew lad , good meme
>>81488126
No response? Good, shows I'm right.
I'l start posting some tumblr/Calarts toons while you passive aggressively reply to me.
>>81487870
>Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
What they had to draw was already decided for them by the storyboard artist
>>81488133
>Maybe it's hard for modern storyboard artists to pick shots and compositions...because they suck.
There are a bunch of pics here to prove you wrong.
>>81487343
>Yep. It's pretty shocking how much the Diamond Authority mirrors Urken culture from Invader Zim.
You just proved you don't watch the show
The only similarity is that the people in charge are tall
![Universe vs Tennyson - Storyboard.mp4_snapshot_01.25_[2014.10.30_15.12.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Kk8UTBT.jpg "Universe vs Tennyson - Storyboard.mp4 snapshot 01.25 [2014.10.30 15.12.25]")
>>81485533
>Omniverse
It peeved me how better the storyboards looked in comparison to the actual show.
>>81488114
>Implying that I fap to SU
>>81488181
In other words, you'll strawman and shut your ears to whatever anyone has to say.
>>81485843
There's a difference between stoaryboard-driven and script-driven cartoons, though.
AT, SU, RS, and WOY are all storyboard-driven, with the animators following the boards as closely as possible. Bad boards give you bad animation.
Other shows, like Avatar, GF, and The Simpsons are script-driven. The animators refer primarily to model sheets for reference, and so the boards are only there to give a rough idea of the scene. These shows have a more uniform look, instead of varying wildly in quality based on the boarder.
>>81488175
Get some reading comprehension.
>>81487980
you might want to post one of the preview clips for it. I forgot the name of the episode, but its indeed amazing.
>>81488181
You're the same guy from that PPG thread last night. Am I right or not right?
I don't understand, if you wanted to prove a point OP why are you posting nothing but shitty AT and SU storyboards?
>>81487980
who said our time had some good shit anyway
>>81488206
Peridot is literally gender-flipped Zim.
Her ship/ those marbel things even look like Zim's ship too.
>>81488302
How can he prove his point without cherry picking?
>>81488074
>-a lot music, usually either a freestyle serenade or pixeltune shit (AT, RS, GF, Clarence, SU, SaC, BW, CH, BWarriors, Manly, Star)
Don't forget ukuleles.
>>81488300
Yep.
>>81488250
>Strawman
You still don't know that that means.
>>81488074
>SU has "a romance plot that's taken seriously and is also the plot of a lot of episodes. The male is a beta wimp and the girl is a "laid-back" character."
>Kristen Schaal, Estelle, Dee Dee Magno Hall, Tom Kenny, and John Dimaggio are "random people from off the street"
>SU uses "pixeltune shit" music (This one really gets me, Aivi Tran is one of the best musicians in cartoons right now.)
I know this is copypasta, but it still gets me.
>>81488294
Food Chain.
>>81488359
Of course. Everyone, just ignore this paranoid faggot.
>>81488074
>a lot music
why is this a bad thing and how is it unique to "tumblr cartoons"
>>81484592
You have to log audio and actions in storyboards. That template should have it, especially since it's animation.
>>81488359
You're right. The correct term is generalization; you put everything under one blanket.
>>81488309
Japan
>>81488359
How is FnaF fanart from tumblr supposed to prove your point?
>>81488366
>, Aivi Tran is one of the best musicians in cartoons right now.)
Not even close you mongloid.
>>81488262
Quit talking out of your ass. Storyboards follow both script and intended animation, so decent storyboard art is always up to the storyboard artists themselves.
>>81488359
I prefer the Foxy on the left.
>>81488311
Don't forget they made a straight reference when she said, "Praise me! PRAISE ME!".
Also it's well known Peridot is based on Sugar's fan fic version of Invader ZIM she wrote. Her old site is archived with them available.
There will come a time when we all pass away, doesn't matter how.
Is this really what you guys want to be a part of your life?
>>81488175
In terms of the production process, yes. The boarders do a good chunk of the animating. Whether you think they do a good job or not isn't the issue.
>>81488391
Like clockwork, you modern animation defenders.
>>81488396
>why is this a bad thing
When there's a song in every episode it gets tiresome at some point. Especially when it's just some shit about how the character likes ice cream (Steven) or is thirsty for pussy (Finn) or is just being a beta (Mordecai).
>>81488405
Well it IS under one blanket. You can't deny that those cartoons have similarities, even Alex Hirsch has talked about them.
>>81488359
What's the source on the pic?
>>81487815
Well if you're gonna cherry-pick:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/278429861/The-Axe
>>81488521
>Like clockwork, you modern animation defenders.
The good old with me or against me fallacy.
>>81488521
>Implying I only like modern animation
Keep being in denial.
>>81488262
Bullshit!
If you can make good drafts and gestures, you can do good storyboards. The AT and SU staff is just lazy.
>>81488521
>You can't deny that those cartoons have similarities, even Alex Hirsch has talked about them.
Gee, people who worked and went to school together have similar artstyles. This has never happened before in animation.
this thread is pure gold, pic related it's the modern animation defenders
perspective?
in my cartoons?
>>81488605
Are you proving his point that 2014 has "tumblr" animation?
>>81488629
>>81488521
Samefag
>>81488506
Fuck off Cheeseblade.
>>81488506
Yes. Knowing that i'm a idiot arguing with another idiot.
>>81488644
No, I'm saying this has been happening for a while in cartoons.
>>81485533
>dat second storyboard
It's so much better than what they made from it, how did they fuck up the shading and expression so much
>>81488673
why yes, yes it was
>>81488629
>People disagree with me
>I'll call them children; that'll show them.
>>81488728
Oh. Well I can agree with that.
>>81488756
Geometric shapes for cartoon heads? This has never happened before; it must be the work of CalArts and Tumblr!
>>81488756
>Using the starwman
Sugar didn't go to cal arts.
>>81488756
I can't think of a single moment where Gumball or Dipper have even looked close that.
>>81488605
It really hasn't before outside of Genndy and Craig.
>>81488811
But anon, how else would it fit the strawman?
>>81488799
Then why does her cartoon like it's from CalArts?
The answer; she went to CalArts.
>>81488811
Gumball smiles like that ALL OF THE TIME.
That cucumber mouth thing doesn't happen often in Gravity Falls, but it still happens.
>>81488793
They all have the same head shape.
>>81488817
Lauren Faust, Rob Renzetti, Paul Rudish and Van Partible's artstyle actually look similar to Genndy and Craig's.
>>81488858
But she didn't.
>>81488873
>They all have the same head shape.
Because that's totally unique to modern animation.
>>81488895
Wikipedia lies, but art doesn't. She's a CalArts alumni.
>>81488506
what is that from
>>81488942
Ok, NOW I know that you're shitposting
>>81487870
>If it's job to draw for a living, how hard is it to finish half a storyboard in two weeks.
Fairly difficult if that two-week period covers revisions. (common) Or if all you have to work from are vague outlines. (also common) Or... if you're also expected to bust out an animatic within the same time-frame. (becoming more common)
Crafting something clear and engaging is certainly do-able in two weeks, given ideal circumstances; and I'm not advocating for shitty drawings if it means the action becomes unclear. In general though, there is simply not enough time to make every panel this super-clean thing when you have loads of shot direction, composition and pacing aspects to worry about. If anything, school those AT artists there, because that where real work is needed.
>Golden Age animators where able to finish around 15 seconds of frame by frame animation every-week. That's a hell of a lot more drawings than a storyboard.
As far as your typical Golden Age animator, they're typically handed their timing charts before hand (or mark up their own, if they're a lead), and can pace themselves when they know their key-count ahead of time. Not to say it isn't more laborious, but an animator can be pretty fast when he can focus on the one performance in front of him. Boarding can be a bit more complicated. I've professionally done both; they require way different mindsets that go beyond just drawing.
>>81488876
No they don't.
If Jenny walked into PPG she wouldn't fit that show's style (due to the influences in that show being much older than the HB-look that PPG has). Meanwhile Dipper could pop into Steven Universe, Regular Show or Star Vs. and not look out of place.
>>81488826
If you're not going to refute anybody's points outside of screaming "strawman!" then leave, idiot.
>>81488986
You're the only one shitposting here anon.
>>81488913
Just because it's not unique to now doesn't mean it's not a fucking problem. Climate change also isn't unique to present day but it's still a fucking issue because it's happening right now.
>tfw you'll never get a show greenlit by a shoddily made storyboard and pilot
>and then continue making that show for so long the original show runner steps down
>>81489053
>Meanwhile Dipper could pop into Steven Universe, Regular Show or Star Vs. and not look out of place.
You're the only idiot here anon; Dipper would look out of place as fuck in any of those shows.
>>81488913
It is more than ever.
>>81489086
It wasn't a problem then, it's not a problem now.
>>81489053
>If you're not going to refute anybody's points outside of screaming "strawman!" then leave, idiot.
It's a public forum you autist.
>>81489114
>>81489201
D E S T R O Y E D
>>81489053
You must be retarded if you think you're right, with you being paranoid as fuck. I'm surprise that you still think that "tumblr" shows exist.
>He thinks that he's the smart one
>>81489053
> mentioning regular show
regular shows art style is the most unique art style in modern American animation.
>>81488750
Immalleable official art styles can be a bitch.
>>81489230
>>81489201
>Implying that he's right
Not even the same anon, but killyourself.
>>81489053
>If Jenny walked into PPG she wouldn't fit that show's style
I honestly think she probably would
>>81482176
Modern board artists stop caring because the Koreans dont give a shit if your board has an arrow or 40 panel keyframes.
>>81488750
>>81489305
*kill yourself
>>81488987
>professionally done both
Craig, is that you? In all seriousness, though, what have you worked on?
>>81489272
how old are you again?
>>81489183
I'm telling you to stop shitposting if you're not going to contribute anything.
>>81489361
You're the only one shitposting.
>>81489361
How is using some random tumblr art going to prove your "point"?
>>81489361
Is that one made by the same person who did the "90's sucked" comic?
>>81489201
why is he as big as a racoon
he should be as tall between Mordo and Benson
>>81489337
>they didn't draw in Steve Ahn's Avatar lowmouth
oh no
what a shame
>>81489201
Yeah, I can clearly tell Dipper apart from the rest of them.
>>81489415
fucked up my screencap
>>81487913
Gravity Falls also had more effort put into it unlike SU and AT
I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoyed "reading" that storyboard. With how simple AT and this episode in particular seem, I could perfectly picture it in my head. That's all the storyboard's got to accomplish.
>>81487280
>movie boards = tv animation boards = live action boards = commercial work boards
k
>>81489272
It's basically the Simpsons' style done even more badly.
>>81489265
>has yet to refute me
Keep on going, modern cartoon IDF
>>81489405
Dipper is retardedly short. Wendy and the other teenagers tower over him despite only being like 2 1/2 years older.
>>81489419
Continue to ignore that he fits in perfectly with those shows, i guess.
>>81489588
Actually it has to accomplish making animation from scratch based on that.
Not what you've already seen.
>>81489531
>That finale
>That whole season 2b
SU and maybe even AT out just as much effort as GF.
>>81489588
yhea bro who needs effort in art when stick figures can accomplish the same thing! just imagine the quality and you're set :)
>>81489665
>Continue to ignore that he fits in perfectly with those shows, i guess
But he doesn't. And neither do SU and Clarence.
>>81489532
>that
>perspective
That's eight-year-old-child-tier one-point perspective with the character literally just getting larger on the screen as he approaches the camera with barely any thought towards how perspective should apply to the drawing
>>81489682
What? No. A storyboard's there to give you a rough visualization on how the scenes are to be set up. Which camera angles to use, where the movement goes and what a character does in a particular scene. If someone decides to use certain expressions directly for their animation, that's their decision, but it's not the purpose of a storyboard.
>>81489665
Ok. Well why do you think this why? Why do you think that modern cartoons try to be tumblr-ish?
I don't see the problem with a simple storyboard provided the animators are competent enough.
>>81489393
That the general aesthetic of these shows are the same.
>>81489404
No that's someone else. You see how all of this crap blends together? I'll post that next.
>>81489851
So what. Yeah they look the same. But it's the story that matters, not the look of the show. If a show can be entertaining with it's story, music and animation, I really don't care.
>>81487445
>worst storyboarder
>not lamar
At least hellen's boards are entertainingly bad, lamars are just bland and stiff and his writing is xayaphone tier
>>81489829
Well it helps that the person who draws the layouts (the next stage of production after storyboard) is also in the same building, let alone the same country
For American animation, it is not that way.
>>81489851
Protip: every era of animation had popular styles to steal from, and each era also has unique works that stand out from the rest.
>>81489956
I think it's because he was paired up with Hellen Jo that his badness seeped through. He bounces off better with his new partner.
ITT: children being retarded
>>81490015
This. There still unique stuff out there.
>>81490029
Who, that guy posting those tumblr pics.
>muh millenials
>muh tom and jerry killing eachother each week was the highlight of tv animation
why are old farts such ginormous faggots? tv cartoons have just gotten better, thank god were over the 'take two animals and have them torment eachother for 15 minutes' era. Those arnt funny, or entertaining- they are boring.I can only hope western cartoons become closer and closer to japanimation, both in animation quality and plot. Things like Rick and Morty/ Bojack are close but need to cut the LOL EDGY JOKE HAHAHA and maybe we will get there. Itll be the French, presumably.
>>81488181
I think the people behind that show are british (they worked on gumball and the CN pilot was made by the same studio that makes gumball)
>>81490029
/board
>>81489997
Layout artists do in fact work in the same studio as storyboard artists.
Even the damned background artists work in the same place too.
And don't pretend that those whacky chinese cartoons are even remotely better than Western animation in quality or production practices, their entire industry has been tanking for years now and it's only more apparent than ever that they're all creatively bankrupt.
>>81489751
Denial is the first stage of grief.
>>81489826
>Why do you think that modern cartoons try to be tumblr-ish?
Well simply, it's what sells today. Like how the retro 50s look sold when PPG and Dexter where popular. But the difference today is that you don't get anybody in animation outside of that tumblr voice, except Mickey Mouse (which is done by Spongebob guys and it shows).
It's also very safe stuff, which is appealing to very politically correct people.
>>81490167
>Layout artists do in fact work in the same studio as storyboard artists.
proof pls
thnx
>>81490167
>western tv animation studios having a on-staff layout artists
stopped reading there, you dont know what the fuck your talking about.
>>81490167
ohhhh shit their eyes
>>81490203
>Denial is the first stage of grief
Are you blind or just autistic.
>>81490242
Layout artists only get paid ~$15/hr, they save money buy not outsourcing to Koreans who would fuck it up anyways.
Alternatively you can start calling up animation studios and asking them, I'm not going to indulge your autism.
>>81490203
>It's also very safe stuff, which is appealing to very politically correct people.
GF and SU had children nearly die on a daily basis. How is that safe?
>>81490203
But...I still like those shows. Does that make me tumblr?
>>81489997
>>81490167
Layouts in anime are normally done by the animators themselves, save for some exceptions where there will be a dedicated layout artist or the director takes on that job himself.
Do the Korean studios in western cartoons really need so much hand-holding throughout the production process? Surely there are at least some studios who are good enough to be given more creative responsibilities than just animating. It's interesting how even the timing has to be determined by the western side of production.
>>81490342
your continued verbiage isn't proof
We see storyboards and modelsheets and backgrounds from modern cartoons all over the place. How come there's nowhere to find the layouts?
>>81490376
You ever watch any cartoons made before 2004?
They were gritty and edgy, and actively tried slipping mature jokes past the censors on the regular. Cartoons are so safe and unoffensive it's boring these days.
>>81490167
this is a japanese childrens cartoon, for little girls. its more dynamic than any action show besides maybe some bits of avatar in the last 20 years. western animation is all flash, or korean studios tweening board panels together then cleaning them up in such a way it might as well be flash.
>industry
>tanking
by all accounts its doing great, but transitioning to a merch-based way of making money in the same way that western television has had to with less and less people watching commercials or tv.
>>81490396
I'm afraid so. You're right to feel bad.
>>81490460
>They were gritty and edgy, and actively tried slipping mature jokes past the censors on the regular. Cartoons are so safe and unoffensive it's boring these days.
It's like you've never seen GF or RS.
Dammit!
Who got their CalArts all over my vidya?
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Seriously, the bean/peanut head shape is just a general shape used by a fuckton of things cause the rounded oblong shape is pleasing and closer to human faces, similar to old Disney characters all having really circular heads.
And it's not like angular heads are something that don't exist anymore, hell all Canadian toons seem to be those. And even in their repsective shows with the bean heads there's plenty of more abstracted head shapes.
>>81490342
They dont employ 'layout artists' they have the board artists and BG people fudge it and let korea handle the rest.
dont believe me? ask any one working on twitter. anyone.
>>81490435
Korean studios are notorious for fucking up absolutely everything they don't have their hands held for. Every single cartoon animated there has several sheets of Do's and Don'ts with lots of drawn examples for the most basic shit so that they get a consistent desired result.
>>81490203
>But the difference today is that you don't get anybody in animation outside of that tumblr voice, except Mickey Mouse (which is done by Spongebob guys and it shows).
What?
>>81490463
If the alternative is pandering to shitty otaku that buy the overpriced Blu Rays to jerk off to OVAs, I'll take the current shit fest every time.
>>81490203
>(which is done by Spongebob guys and it shows)
Actually the crew is far more "McCracken/Tartakovsky/Renzetti" than Spongebob, including the show runner Paul Rudish, and most of the other direcotors (like Clay Morrow and Dave Wasson)
Aaron Springer (who's also been involved in a lot of McCracken/Tartakovsky stuff) is the only real prominent spongebob person
>>81490463
Nice .gif, I can practically count the individual frames that they blew the entire budget on to get animated. Do background characters even have faces in that show? For everything an anime does well they always drop the ball on everything else.
>>81490435
>Do the Korean studios in western cartoons really need so much hand-holding throughout the production process? Surely there are at least some studios who are good enough to be given more creative responsibilities than just animating. It's interesting how even the timing has to be determined by the western side of production.
Yes, and show productions fight over the better studios that need less hand-holding for certain episodes they want to be done well (re: better than the usual garbage).
Generally, the better rated a show, the easier to get better studios because internal politics.
You can go to various blogs and social media and read certain peoples angry rants about how they fought for the ''better'' studio and their boards turned to shit on return anyway.
Has allot to do with timing not being done west-side in the way you might think of it.
>>81490631
Why do people use that scene as an example of QUALITY? I don't even like Naruto, but I can tell it was going for a unique effect, rather than just being off model.
Can i bait for attention too OP?
>>81484603
What you're saying is true unless the animators have the freedom to make judgement calls on exactly how the animation is ultimately handled. With Programs long run as adventure time that have storyboards this weak normally give the animators a great deal of leeway as to how a scene should be executed so long as those few fine details presented in the storyboard are carried out.
Also keep In mind that the animators have a completed voiceover to work with as a guide and template. You don't need a full comic book to flesh out the scenes, especially dialogue driven ones.
>>81490518
kys faggot.
>>81490631
slowing down a sakuga endlessly shitposted about because you dont like the style of showing extreme motion and loose interpretation of the 12 principles doesnt mean jack shit.
>blow their budget on one fight scene
better than spending 5x the amount on characters making :T face on 1's for no real reason.
Im not saying its perfect, as both have their ups and downs, but take a look at say anything kyoani has done and tell me that the animation isnt beautiful- and done at a fraction of any current western show's budget.
>>81490584
or to sell LN and other garbage, but the western alternative is to pander to tumblr and video game kiddies, the difference being that japan makes 100+ shows a year and USA makes 5 a decade.
>>81487452
>>81487529
A draw upside down/with your opposite hand exercise someone is using to bait
>>81490862
This is the hell we dug ourselves into. When's the last time you paid actual money directly towards a cartoon you liked?
At least the preteens on Tumblr know how to spend their parents' money.
Great, now the "sakuga" faggots from /a/ are here to shit up the thread. Fuck off back to /a/ if you think your beloved Jap animations are so good. It's a joke how people can unironically praise Japanese animation when they can't even get something basic like lip-syncing right.
>>81490983
I buy almost every art book released, and a ton of merchandise.
But yes, if you want a show that caters to your own tastes made, you need to show as much online and irl support as your average rabbid tumblrina who flys around to cons and spends ungodly time and money on fan art and merch.
>>81491047
Doesn't stop weaboos and furries.
>>81490990
>lip-syncing right
why is that even important? and how is a 3-4 loop any different than cucumber 7-8 loop? Western animation hasnt paid attention to mouths past a basic mouth chart since the late 80s.
And if you dont want me posting about japanimation, why not use French animation as an example? They produce some great looking things that arnt the ''tumblr'' style, that have good animation, and even plots.
>>81490983
Lately I've paid more money for kickstarter animation projects than any TV cartoon. Last one was Robert Valley's Pear Cider and Cigarettes.
>>81490990
You know, at the end of the day, who the fuck gives a shit about lip flaps?
Especially considering the so-so quality of American VAs as is.
>>81488548
that's really good though?
>>81491139
Why don't we air French cartoons instead of Tumblr toons?
>>81491300
Oban Star Racers aired on Disney.
>>81485533
>>81488215
Who storyboarded this? It's beautiful.
Wander Over Yonder has some good shit when it comes to Storyboards.
>>81482476
Bless those Canadian stop motion animators
>>81482476
>>81483116
>implying that makes a difference
So easy to spot someone who doesn't respect stop motion at all.
>>81488423
Production I.G.?
>>81491441
Steve Ahn
>>81491580
Tatsunoko, but the director of that opening sequence, Shinya Ohira, has worked with I.G. many times in the past.
>>81491248
That was my point.
>>81489201
I think you're right, but RS has so many nonhuman and bizarre character designs that any character with the right eye shape and line weight would fit in.
I think it would be a bit harder to insert an RS character into GL or SU than the other way around.
>>81490631
> hasn't watched one punch man
Pleb
Swordbite.gif
>/a/ showing up to threads they weren't invited into and spouting
Every damn time, I tell ya.
>>81492077
>you have to go to /a/ to like animation
some people dont care about the country of origin, as long as its animated.
>>81492077
>literally gets brought up by someone saying Japanese animation is bad
>D-damn it /a/!
>>81482310
Lol. There are more poses on this page than He-Man had in the entire series
>>81490022
True. plus the litmus test on whether or not lamar's responsible for one disliking the episode is their opinion on Onion Trade and Beach Party (his two solo episodes)
joethejohnston.tumblr.com/post/110560334713/these-are-some-boards-i-did-from-the-episode-on
>>81489759
shut the fuck up
>>81492357
Gravity Falls and Regular Show also do this.
Not all of the storyboards of the show are smooth in-house animatics, Gravity Falls had their fair share of bullshit storyboards, good amounts of good, and a few select smooth ones they animated themselves so it would be done correctly and exactly how they saw fit.
>Stan's brother hood release from the portal
>Bill glitching out in the finale
and Regular Show holy shit, every half hour special they do, wherever there's the major fight or something, they go all out in the animatic department. Heard tell it was because koreans thought 3 different character models were the same character and animated them all fighting each other.
Go figure.
>>81491661
Art direction and angles reminded me of stuff they've done.
>>81489952
Stagnation is what matters. Our eyes need a visual breather and seeing the same shit can get tiring and actually make people lose interest in animation.
THIS THREAD HAS SOME GOD DAMN NEGGY VIBES OUT THE ASS HOLE
>>81494816
That sounds like something that would bother people with autism.
>>81496777
Keep throwing around more buzzwords to deflect reasonable responses, kid.
>>81487000
It's a distinctive, silly look for bacon, so yeah, it works. They also use the term "ghibli tears."
>tfw Rick and Morty could've looked like this
>tfw PPG reboot could've had Dart on board
>tfw a show a gorgeous as Peabody is hampered by extremely hit and miss writing
>>81496777
Actually someone with autism would love things to stay stagnant and not change ever because anything different from their routine literally triggers them and makes them flip the fuck out.
t.autistic kid handler
>>81489532
>tfw someone posts a gif I made 3 years ago
AOSTH is godlike, more people should watch it
New thread
>>81499687
>>81500226
Bump limit is 500.
>>81500226
No, I accidentally made that because I thought this one got archived due to a glitch. It wasn't supposed to be like a continuation either.
Also we got until 500 posts and then even wait before it's archived, but unless someone has something they REALLY GOTTA SAY there's no reason for a follow up thread.
>>81497229
That's not a buzzword, I'm being serious here.
First off, dicks in the storyboard
Also, Finn is completely dead.
>>81500387
>those legs just drawn all skewed off and shit
this can't be real
>>81487511
Yes, but you implied it, Autist.
>>81487612
>Anything you don't like is tumblr now
The amount of times they reuse a storyboard panel during the cloud talking scene is fucking annoying.
>>81482993
>smashes bottle
>can't even draw a smashed bottle
>>81488074
>every of these replies just whined about the reply yet they didn't brought any legit argument showing this "pasta" is wrong
>>81488126
>>81488169
>>81488366
>>81488396
i agree with the "strawman" here, i like some of the shows he mentions yet he is right about everye one of them looks almsot identical in everything. I liked how past cartoons had their own style, KND was different than grim adventures of billy & mandy or Foster mansion from Camp Lazlo
>>81484727
>hurrrr
>finn swings ax
>facial expression
>that fucking swinging arm drawn to shit
>>81501472
But these cartoons are distinct.
And there were some rebuttals in the posts.
![27349865d1362163099-deleted-scenes-1986-animated-movie-animated-original-storyboards-sb07-43[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zg9BIan.jpg "27349865d1362163099-deleted-scenes-1986-animated-movie-animated-original-storyboards-sb07-43[1]")
>>81501831
Over detailed, can't really see the right stuff.
>>81490779
>but I can tell it was going for a unique effect
Christ, not again. The effect is bad, because it looks very bad. Intended or not, it looks like shit with shit framerate and animation. Because the other half of the episode actually had superb animation. So no, this wasn't intended. Even that aside, this padding to the episode completely ruined what the point of the villain was. Pain was the completely straightfaced, stoic terror. Even when it looks like the Kyuubi is going to be released his biggest reaction is "I don't believe it." Juxtaposing massive rageout with emotionless demeanor. Adding that rage moment trashes what the intended point was from the manga and ruins Pain's characterization.
Fuck man, you made me defend Naruto with your idiocy.
>>81486509
I remember it was posted super early and nobody knew what the fuck it was about
>>81481999
Lol, daily reminder.
>>81492805
>wherever there's the major fight or something, they go all out in the animatic department.
are you kidding right? Those specials and specially the fight are blandest as fuck
>>81501620
tell me those rebuttal then, this is what i'm seeking yet nobody is delivering them
>>81502523
I was remembering Exit 9B notably for the pan over of the fight, I saw an animatic on one of the crew member's Tumblr where it panned over the same way with almost all the characters falling into the in-house animation smooth path.
Also there was one extra one in the post that was a fighting segment between two supernatural characters, it might've been the ducks and susan but maybe not.
I also saw one for the Real Thomas where Natalia sidekicked Thomas in the air and knocked him down while she was on the floor.
Yea it can be bland but even though there wasn't much to Stanford taking off his hood in the NWHS episode of GF, they still did it and it looked amazing because of it. It was bland in the sense of animation, though.
>>81482310
A couple of storyboarders for He-Man even went on to do new animated sequences for the show.
There was plenty of talent behind that show, it just didn't have the budget it needed.
Cartoons have long been dead.
>>81488593
>SU staff is just lazy.
But the SU storyboards are some of the most detailed there are.
>>81488215
>Storyboard
>Ben doesn't look like a shitlord
>Frog-alien-thing looks more three dimensional
>Girl just all around looks more interesting.
That is depressing.
>>81504325
That bait image
So are we going to pretend Johnny Bravo, or hell, any other cartoon that wasn't specifically trying to emulate Ren & Stimpy's style, had the facial diversity of Ren as well?
>>81487980
Need to stop you right here. While I agree with your general sentiment, you can't compare this to the other AT boards. Despite its crudeness, this board actually shows the keyframes, and hits all the pertinent information required to make the sequence. It's also a very short looping sequence.
This is essentially the first draft by someone who is animating it in house. He knows what he wants out of it, it's all in his mind. The other muddled boards here were shipped off to Korea, where these outsource guys are expected to figure things out.
>>81483039
>>81485162
>>81486555
Proper planning applies to any work whether or not it is shown in the final product.
Artists takes time to ensure a sketch has proper proportions and composition. An engineer will create rough and detailed designs before submitting any plans.
How is this concept not understood.
>>81504386
>baiting this hard when there are some top drawer shit going on in here mixed in
>>81504726
How many times does it have to be brought up that the muddled boards OP and other people keep posting in this thread are the same thing? The director of the episode boarded it herself and lead the animation team - it was a stop motion episode.
>>81500387
>Finn is completely dead
Kek
Also he kind of reminds me of a carrot
>>81505750
you are female
>>81505954
Y-you too
>>81506546
Was I correct? Don't lie, now.
>>81506641Maybe a little bitwhat tipped you off?
>>81506689
I'm a fucking jerk I guess, I don't know. I've sort of got this vibe from how people talk (or text in this case) but I really can't explain it.
Nothing wrong, just curious if I had a pointless and weird hunch and if it was true.
Carry on.
>>81505750
>>81505954
>>81506546
>>81506641
>>81506689
>>81506828
Are you samefagging because I couldn't tell a gender context in those words.
>>81506828
>jerk
No I wouldn't say that, you weren't saying anything rude. and that's kind of neat, that vibe thing.
And same to you!
>>81506937
Jerk as in I get different vibes from genders at times.
Where I live, females talk a certain way (not like, accents, but with slang and tones and shit) so I kinda got used to it. Guys also talk different here, it's just weird and hard to explain, I don't really know how it works, but I'm sure I've been wrong before in thinking an anon is a certain gender. First time I ever really said anything based on it.
Anyway, I said jerk because people think when I assume someone's female it's like a sexist thing. Different vibes or whatever like I said.
>>81506936
Nope, just a thing man.
>>81486892
>LETS REFERENCE ANIME, THAT WILL WIN US SOME RETWEETS AND REBLOGS AND THREADS ON /co/
>it works
>>81506936
No, I'd post a screencap to prove it but I'm on a tablet
>>81506996
Nah, I don't think you were being sexist, it's cool.
>>81507290
i hate gravity defying tits
this entire thread is a fucking shit fest jesus christ.
>>81507386
thanks for the bump
>>81489201
Dip's eyes are off and compared to the other humans he looks like some weird Disney gremlin. Nice try through.
>>81490860
FUCKING CALARTS GETTING IN MY ANIMES, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! CALARTS!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>81507612
>Dip's eyes are off
thanks for reminding me of the time I got triggered hardcore during the finale livestream and couldn't focus on anything else until the next trigger happened because I thought my computer was glitching out.
>>81507695
Fuck you, now I can't watch this without seeing Dip's eyes bugging out now. God damnit.
Does anyone have that one johnny test storyboard with an artstyle much better than the actual show?
>>81507769>"does anyone have a pen, pencil, anything?"
>he says as his hand glides past the pen in his coat pocket
>>81488074
>Bee and Puppycat
This makes me laugh so hard. I've never seen anything so "tumblr" before in my entire life.
>>81489532
Is this supposed to be a parody of Bimbo's Initiation?
>>81507951
Shocker, it's Sugar.
It pisses me off when people actually completely mean what they say when they speak the words" Sugar isn't completely Tumblr, she hates a lot of aspects of her fans"
yea, maybe the side that bullies people into suicide
maybe
>>81508070
>Shocker, it's Sugar.
No it isn't, it was Natasha Allegri who was behind Bee and Puppycat and Sugar was nowhere near the production. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2782722/fullcredits/
If you're gonna strawman, strawman right.
>>81508127
Sorry, my mistake, I remember her talking about it in an interview and fucked up.
My other point stands on it's own though, unrelated.
>>81491531
what the fuck are you talking about? did you even read those posts? they're talking about the amount of efforts it takes to stop motion animate
>>81508163
you fucked up your point so badly by not even knowing who the artist is. jesus christ.
>>81507648
wow, can't believe this shit, guess the sjws really have taken over... looks like fucking garfield. i bet sugar is behind this. in the old days of manga like the showa era this style is nothing like at all this would never have flown. fuck you tumblr.
>>81508600
My other point was me hating how people think Sugar isn't Tumblr, it still stands even though I was wrong, it doesn't interfere with her other actual work.
>>81508640
>My other point was me hating how people think Sugar isn't Tumblr,
you could not even fucking tell the differences between natasha's art and sugar's, what the fuck do you know about anything? you've made a complete fool of yourself.
>>81488756
Your childhood was SHIT.
>>81508665
I never said it was her art, stop hissing a fit to where you're assuming, I just remembered her mentioning the show in a couple SU interviews and misunderstood my memories and thought she worked on it. That doesn't mean she's the art person.
>what the fuck do you know about anything? you've made a complete fool of yourself.
dude are you actually trying to make me feel sad or hurt when you can't even get things correct yourself? I admitted I was wrong and apologized, something I didn't have to do, I WAS wrong and I'm not letting that change my other point.
>what do you know?
My opinion on how Sugar is almost the epitome of Tumblr isn't something I "know" it's just an opinion
>>81508716
You've got a fucking idiotic opinion and have already proven you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Sugar's style.
>epitome of tumblr
Like are you reading this out loud, hear yourself saying this. Tumblr is a fucking website. What does this even mean, man? Are you trying to say she's a SJW just because her show has black people and lesbians? Even though she doesn't do anything like the SJWs and no one on the crew encouraged the zamii debacle (Sugar never even talks about SJW issues)
And yes it does matter about the art; they're artists. You don't know either of them enough to tell apart their artstyles, and here you're trying to claim your opinion is correct.
>>81508716
>My opinion on how Sugar is almost the epitome of Tumblr isn't something
burden of proof is on you to support this opinion, then. and using SU as an example would be strange, since black people and lesbians actually work on that show.
>>81508784
>You've got a fucking idiotic opinion and have already proven you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to Sugar's style.
calm down dude I remembered something wrong, and if you're going to say it hasn't happened to you, you're lying and that makes you more pathetic than someone who did and apologized for it.
>when it comes to Sugar's style
yet again, I never said it was her style, it was a interview I recalled with her talking about the series, and THOUGHT INCORRECTLY that she said something about working on the show.
Not reading the rest of your shit since it's based off of a misunderstanding. I'm dropping this, not because I don't have anything to respond with, but I just don't want to drag this on for the whole thread.
Have a good day, dude.
>>81508784
SU's current style doesn't even match up well to Sugar's own personal style. It got simplified from the pilot so that other boarders could work with it, that's how specific and weird it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG-22a5mSwY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgue81LVZ4E
But of course, people conveniently forget this cause then it won't match up with their shitty "MUH CALARTS STYLE" memes
>>81508866
lame, but have a nice day as well. it's just an internet argument, after all.
>>81508873
It's already been shown the anon has no idea what he's talking about.
>shocker, its sugar!
>>81508912
just been sitting here watching you guys argue, he said he remembered a interview wrong, that doesn't mean he knows nothing about anything and everything
what's with the blowing things out of proportion shit you've been doing
>>81508977
what kind of valid argument is 'sugar is tumblr' that's so worth defending? you're not tired of how this shit ruined the board?
>>81508977
>what's with the blowing things out of proportion shit you've been doing
go back to tumblr
>>81508993
I wasn't defending it and I can't tell if you're implying it but I'm not that anon.
I was just asking why you were blowing your responses out of proportion.
anyway, calling sugar tumblr usually means her choice of shit or something, I dunno. Like her influence is a lot of the kinds of people associated with the site.
Like how when you call someone a 4chan user, it usually means they're a dick and hate everyone
Like how when you call someone a reddit user, it usually means a young kid or young teen (so like 13) messing around.
I'm saying based on how I've seen other people act, not that anon though so I'm not speaking for him.
>>81509074
Uh yea, no. There's a difference between what I said an the usual tumblr response about the same thing. Brush up on your Tumblr terms.
Blowing things out of proportion can be said on any site, the way I said it was how the post referred to the wrong thing over and over and kept doing pointless insults like "you don't know nuffin"
>>81508977
>he remembered an interview.
Understandable. But then he still stated that somehow she was still "Tumblr" despite showing he couldn't even tell who worked on what, just relying that it kinda "looks the same." is all.
I was just the anon who initially corrected him and this: >>81508873 and I still stand by this statement and any other artist that gets lumped in as "calarts style" and "tumblr" because half of the time people don't know what the fuck they're talking about. see: that anon.
>>81509112
So yeah shitty generalizations that do nothing but stifle conversations and turn them into "ME HATE TUMBLR/CALARTS/MILLEINIALS/*insert whatever new strawman here*" circlejerks. It's exactly what was being disproved.
>>81509140
>relying that it kinda "looks the same." is all
he never said that
>>81509195
what do you think he implied with "Shocker, it's Sugar!" in >>81508070 besides getting it mixed up and going off that shitty "what is a tumblr cartoon" copypasta being replied to?
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